>im smart
no youre not

>>25054188
>We've had 500 straight years of feudalism yet nothing indicates aristocracy as a government model is dying or that the masses don't desire their lords

well everything is getting worse because of the contradictions in liberal democracy, mainly high trust institutions being exploited. contradictions in any system lead to the next system, like throughout history, and hegel remains the most prescient

>>25054212
>everything is getting worse
No, it isn't. This is just a cliché that people repeat so often they just assume that it's true. Cite a single example.

>>25054223
well when you go to the store now everything is locked behind plexiglass because otherwise people would steal it all. also housing is completely unaffordable. and, it is almost impossible to get a job. also culture in general seems very stuck. going to an airport now compared to pre 9-11 is two different worlds (the experience now is third world like)

>>25054188
the fact that birthrates are getting nuked everywhere is strong evidence your even getting gen z revolutions in the third world
it'll be interesting to see if immigration is potent enough to overcome it or just another mode of assimilation

>>25054223
I serially hope you're playing devil's advocate

>>25054188
Democracy is a soft form of communism. Thus it suffers from the same consequences. Most communist states could survive at first, but became progressively worse. All the resources built in the former system get used up and all the motivation of the worker for a utopia get disappointed.

If you look at pretty much any statistic and at your surroundings, you see a rise in political more extreme stances in the younger generation. Even the older people get a little more extreme, but less because they are far more stubborn. Our Faustian spirit has offered us knowledge, but taken our morals and spirituality. We don't need materialistic progress, but values. Thus we are doomed to fail.

Even if the population of the liberal democracies fail to change the form of government in time, the population gets wiped out and overrun by niggas and suicide bombers. And they are too stupid to run a democracy and/or against it on religious beliefs.

>>25054212
So what’s the next system? What’s it called? Who are the chief ideologues and architects? What movement do the adherents of this system follow, what do they call themselves?

>>25054188
>Cite a single example.
- housing costs
- life expectancy
- rising healthcare costs
- falling rates of literacy
- mass immigration + lack of integration
- youth unemployment
- falling nutrition in foods
- environmental damage (of all kinds)
- less disposable income
- rise of microfinance loans (for groceries)
- rise of unstable gig work
- decreasing marriage and cohabitation rates
- falling fertility
- decreasing rate of home ownership

>>25054256
who knows its hard to predict the future. marx predicted a class struggle leading to communism would be inevitable and that seems laughable now. land is probably a good compass

>>25054188
>Rome has not collapsed yet, that means it never will!

Fukuyama defenders are the dumbest posters on this board

Niggas want to believe that they are special and living in the end times. A neurosis caused by the specter of Christianity, methinks.

No one in last thread could explain how liberal democracies will sustain themselves with falling birth rates once western countries become majority non-white and when they enter a competence crisis with old technology getting lost

>>25054234
Immigration is just pouring gasoline to the fire

>>25054188
>America has been the world's sole super power for 30+ years
>they had an unique opportunity to lead the world to a brighter future
>instead they kept waging pointless wars and spreading feminism and gay sex in the third world

>>25054287
The gibs will dry up for the old, the infirm, and the lazy. People will rely on their personal networks as the social safety nets being removed cause the antisocial and disconnected to literally die. The civil unrest resulting from that will lead to increased reliance on local authorities and membership-focused charity. This will ultimately include localized monopolization of sanctioned violence.

Basically, feudalism of some sort will return, as it always does when centralization breaks down.

>>25054298
those wars were not pointless for the one country that wanted supremacy in the levant

>>25054188
doesn't the war in ukraine alone pretty much disprove it

>>25054319
Stop noticing

>>25054188
Liberals into neoliberals into fascists. It's happening now.
Yes people want their liberties back, but what do the mega rich want? Anything that keeps them in power

>>25054229
Is the supermarkets locking everything up thing real in America? I've never seen it anywhere in Europe except for razor blades and high-end spirits and wine, which makes sense considering how expensive they are relative to their size. The housing market having a moment (which will presumably resolve in a massive market failure fairly soon) and the introduction of airport security twenty-five years ago is hardly grounds for saying everything is getting worse.
>>25054248
I am not, I'm really quite fed up of everybody pretending everything is awful and spouting off shallow clichés like muh late capitalism etc when asked to justify this.

>>25054188
These threads are pretty hilarious.

>>25054350
Barely anything about Trump's administration is straight the fuck up fascist, it's really just a run of the mill garden variety conservative reactionary government. Trump's government is still profoundly light hearted because usually this type of right leaning reactionary but not necessarily fascist state ends with private torture sessions where people have their balls eaten off by rats and full censorship like what happened in Portugal, Latin America and France
>>25054253
On the contrary. Communism is an accelerationist system meant to rethink western society entirely and plan them accordingly while democracy is built on providing stable change over time. Ultimately democracy and most of iits instution's ultimate goal is to provide a stable source of moderate change because violent change usually ends up with a fuck load of people dying and suffering, wow what a shocker
>>25054229
Really? Here in Italy we haven't had those issues and I hardly think we are walkinng backwards. If anything democracy and the unchallenged supremacy of the anglophone west have made things absolutely stale, specially when it comes to technology and progress. People are more lobotomised and willing to follow orders than ever and the increasing radicalization of the youth through the most evidently biased algorhythms is just another way for the few people in power to stay in that position for quite a while, no one will bring about drastic change but everyone will believe they are bringing it. Also not having the soviets to compete has generally led the tech sector to absolute stagnation, people in the 60s weren't wrong we were absolutely meant to be setting up moon colonies as of now but few people are willingly is keeping us backwards

>>25054367
lol posts like this make me chuckle to myself, amused at the silliness of people who post them

>>25054374
Are you not entertained?

>>25054223
>>25054355
The world is objectively worse than 10 years ago and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
Stop living in your bubble

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I don’t know what’s more embarrassing, that Fukuyama had to write this book as a quasi-refutation follow up to the shitlib end of history thesis, or that retards like OP are completely oblivious to its existence despite everything going on today.

>>25054371
>Barely anything
>Masked shocktroops shooting people for nothing
>Kidnapping elected leaders
>Bombing nations for defending themselves
>Claiming land is his and vowing to take it by any means
I can't you seriously. Not reading the rest. Must be a joke.
Look, it was his job to turn the country this way. He had to blow Clinton to get in the first time, and he thought he could fix things in a second term, but they shot him in the ear to show him who's boss. The next admin will be just as bad.

>>25054229
well when you go to the store now everything is locked behind plexiglass because otherwise people would steal it all.
There's a reason for that and it begins with the letter N and ends with an R

>>25054408
Have you considered perhaps that you also live in a bubble and you having a tough decade does not mean civilization is decaying? I'm a lawyer and mostly deal with petty crime. I talk to a lot of very well-off people, colleagues, and not-so-well-off people, clients, and as far as I can tell, housing is a disaster and there's a worrying uptick in heroin abuse but things are otherwise fine.

>>25054408
Well keep pretending. I'm comfortable.

>>25054473
>Have you considered perhaps that you also live in a bubble
My life has almost fallen apart during covid and I nearly commited suicide, I still get depresed but I just learned to cope

>>25054475
>bro just ignore the rising cases of mental illness and depression
You are either stupid or ignorant

>>25054491
>You are either stupid or ignorant
Nah I'm just an asshole who likes to disagree with people on principle.

>>25054491
I'm sorry to hear that and I'm glad you're doing better, well done, but that doesn't address the point.

>>25054281
Millions of Iranians are begging for ZOG to colonize their country so they can have liberal rights and porn, and you people are still blackpilling about liberalism being on the brink of collapse or whatever. Even Fukuyama is a crybaby who acts like Trump is Hitler. Grow the fuck up already. All that the masses of the world want is to dress how they want and buy what they want, that's all that matters

>>25054500
>Millions of Iranians are begging for ZOG to colonize their country so they can have liberal rights and porn
That's not what is happening at all lmao

>All that the masses of the world want is to dress how they want and buy what they want
And more people realize everything made today is worthless slop that's not worth living for.

>>25054188
Eh, I used to say this but I increasingly don't believe it's true. While it is undeniably true that Fukuyama has been correct that no external rival to liberalism as emerged, he misses the fact that political systems and empires have often been destroyed and discredited by internal pressures, and that alternatives have only arisen *after* the system has proven deficient. That's what happened with feudalism and the emergence of absolute monarchy. It wasn't a "political movement" that shifted the terrain, but a number of failures and cataclysmic wars. Likewise, the decay and collapse of the Roman Empire in the West, and earlier the Republic, came from internal tensions and positive feedback loops that tore it apart.

Part of Fukuyama's problem is that he read Kojeve instead of Hegel. If he held closer to Hegel he'd realize that the Last Man issue he very presciently diagnosis is exactly the sort of contradiction that will keep history moving, even if it doesn't generate a "movement." His error is to think that, simply because mass politics and movements have dominated the last two centuries, they will dominate all future change. This judgement has no historical basis.

The pressures facing liberalism, between climate change, massive demographic shifts, the collapse of shared values and culture, technological pressures, and massive inequality, as huge. Certainly they are enough to destroy the system. One thing to keep in mind is that the West is ruled by a gerontocracy and the old benefit the most from the current system and also have the most faith in it and have the largest share in the old system of shared values. The young are increasingly skeptical of liberalism and we're not educated with any of the shared values, but instead were largely given no education in civic virtue and a steady diet of iconoclasm and extreme individualism.

Also, it is almost spooky how closely the problems of the US after the fall of the USSR mirror the problems for the Roman Republic after the defeat of Carthage, right down to the issues of a massive influx of foreign labor driving wages down and rents up and destroying the "middle class" (or freeholders) and the military switching from citizen soldiers to a smaller cadre of elite professionals with less loyalty to the state (as Gibbon puts it, this "elevated war into an art, and degraded it into a trade). The massive inequality, particularly with AI automation, is like the Latifundia. The parties even look like the Optimates and the Populares, right down to the cross cutting ethnic tensions and the reliance on the welfare state. We're probably at our Gracchi Brothers stage; Trump only narrowly avoided death and I wouldn't be surprised if he and others (on both sides) end up dead. We also have a massive decline in rule of law and legislatures that have become to dysfunctional to rule, giving up their power to the executive.

Not all threats are external.

>>25054223
Birthrates are plummeting with no end in sight. Whole countries are now flirting with 33% of replacement levels. Rates for native stock in the West aren't much better than Korea or Taiwan, and even worse for the educated elite (your future leaders). This isn't a minor problem. 33% means each generation will see declines twice that of the Black Death. But it's actually worse than the Black Death because those people just died. Instead, you will have states where 40% of the population is over 60 and a solid 1 in 8 to 1 in 5 will be over 75, meaning massive problems paying for retirees and lack of services. Migration can make this up a bit, but only by introducing new problems. And you cannot import two thirds of your population over one life time to stabilize things without having massive consequences.

This also sets up a situation in the West where going forward states will be massively overburdened paying for the elderly, while the young will be majority non-native. German children born this year will be minorities in Germany by middle age for instance. So you get age inequality mixing with ethnic inequality. A mostly poor third world migrant population will be stuck working to support a much wealthier, minority European population, even as they see investment for their kids plummet to pay for the elderly. This would be a recipe for disaster even without the ethnic and religious element added on.

And even today:

Deaths of despair are at record highs.

Life expectancy is declining.

Median wages growth has stagnated for over 50 years across the West and we are slowly headed for a world where over 50% of ALL income comes from capital, not labor.

Massive underemployment and unemployment for educated people has become chronic and widespread.

Housing will increasingly be unaffordable.

Faith in government institutions has absolutely plunged.

The rate of people who think their kids will have a better life than them has plunged.

This is particularly problematic because the West's entire system is predicated on the idea that technological progress and economic growth will make it so that a system that massively benefits the elderly over the young will "work itself out" due to better technology. The opposite is now occuring.

And then there is Europeans absolute inability to spend on defense even with Russia invading its neighbors and Trump literally threatening to take Danish land by force. Recall, they ran out of munitions for air strikes less then two weeks into a small operation in Libya. No doubt, Russia is a basket case and would take massive losses from the air in a war but stockpiles and production are so anemic they could probably absorb that and European land forces are anemic. Huge shares of the population say they wouldn't fight even a defensive war for their liberal state and soon the young will be mostly or migrant descent. Of those who join the military still, a decent share seem to be anti-liberal or even pro-Russian.

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>>25054287
The most religious White women in America still have birth rates on par with the middle of the Third World. The future is a cyberpunk hell scape broken up by confessional partially autonomous Christian city-states with citizen soldiers, which reject liberalism and capitalism and embrace classical education and a strong polis.

>>25054604
>>25054667
Well said
The west has been getting destroyed from within for decades and now it's on its last legs

>>25054604
Interestingly, a huge issue in Rome's decline was ranking birth rates, particularly among the elites. Once elites stop having kids they check out on the future. Being a parent, if you're actually actively involved in it, is also a sort of askesis that disciplines you and makes you more responsible. Marriages of political and economic convenience, or fun, mixed with sterility and promiscuity are the death knell of a civilization throughout history.

It also concentrated wealth since inheritance goes from being split between 3-7 people on average to 1-2, and then elite intermarriage further concentrates wealth, even as the elite cease to provide new leaders through offspring and cease to care about the future.

As social and economic mobility and prosperity decline, and oligarchs exploit the populace, the populace in turn supports an authoritarian who can discipline the elites. Men of ambition become populists and can take authoritarian control.

Historically, the big check on this is a citizen soldiery drawn largely from the elites themselves (or at least in the officer corps). Once you switch largely to a mercenary, plebian army (especially one increasingly populated by migrants and minorities), there is no longer any check on ambitious populists. That's what we're seeing now. Police unions represent a last bastion of old guard control, but I think it's obvious that in a conflict the military would absolutely stomp the police, who won't even do their day to day jobs without demanding new donatives just to do basic work tests (t. have dealt with police union negotiations).

>>25054223
Can you actually name one single thing that has objectively improved in the last few years?

>>25054278
its hard to predict the future.
mb 4 u

>>25054473
>I talk to a lot of very well-off people, colleagues, and not-so-well-off people, clients, and as far as I can tell [...] things are otherwise fine.
>>25054475
>Well keep pretending. I'm comfortable.
Unfortunately your personal anecdotes don't override statistical reality, like some of issues raised in this post >>25054263

>>25054604
>>25054693
Has there been a single civilization that has recovered from birth rates?
I think once it enters that point there is nothing to do and demographic collapse is irreversible.

>>25054704
>from low birth rates*

>>25054418
>zero responses so far
Worthless board

>>25054667
You're naive if you think that the migrants will actually work and not take even more gibs

>>25054704
people seem to forget that birth rates are changeable and not uniform within ethnic groups
like that other poster said religious whites (especially the Amish) are still turbo fertile and as modernity continues to spiral people will get more religious, not less
material conditions are certainly going to change dramatically in the next 10-20 years and birth rates will change with it

>>25054700
reality isn't even fundamentally real. the entire world is made up.

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>>25054710
why would anyone read that when you could just read Nick Land

>>25054714
We'll see about that, also from what I heard most migrant groups have falling birth rates as well

>>25054714
the idea that material conditions determine everything is Marxist tripe. you have to consider things like language, geography, climate and the creative arts/culture.

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>>25054721
those are material conditions bro
I'm not just talking about money

>>25054727
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove, I'm not denying that birth rates are currently low

>>25054188
History never ends.

Russia destroyed the soviet union and spit on it for liberalism and yet they find themselves taking the place as the Soviet union like nothing even changed. Same thing with China with Mao uprooting everyhting china ever was for Marxism but nowadays China finds itself more of a model of a Dynasty then what Mao dreamed. If Taiwan was to take all of China today it might start out as Lib but will slowly morph into what China is today.

That book is retarded but i guess plebian libtards makes sense of the world that way. Future history will always follow and rhyme with the history as the past.

>>25054667
That will just start euthanizing old people or make them work until death

>>25054714
Urbanization and technology are the ultimate pressures driving birth rates down and there is no reason to believe that any developed or developing nations anywhere in the world will ever decrease either urbanization nor technological development. The evidence is already showing that its effects are appearing in the birth rates of the Middle East, South Asia, South America and Africa.
Religion is a changeable but insignificant factor. The rural western religious whites with their anachronistic cults are a blip. In 50 years it will be obvious that all the converts of desperation to Catholicism or Islam will have fallen in line with the birth rate depression just as they have with urbanization and technology.

>>25054732
Just stating the facts

>>25054751
So we are going to end with voluntary human extinction

>>25054751
urbanisation in and of itself is anachronistic
you're falling into liberal traps yourself where you think trends are on a linear trajectory

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If Liberalism won't die on its own then it will have to be killed.

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>>25054667
>Migration can make this up a bit, but only by introducing new problems. And you cannot import two thirds of your population over one life time to stabilize things without having massive consequences.
Countries with high emigration will likely impose labor controls as their own working age population shrinks. There's also no reason migrants would want to come to a nation with crumbling infrastructure and a worthless currency full of elderly people anyway

>>25054784
Because they are just coming for free money, they have no desire to assimilate to the culture

>>25054780
>urbanisation in and of itself is anachronistic
Where and how?

>>25054742
Good luck when they constitute almost all legislators, executives, generals, etc. Sure, there could be a revolt, but then good luck restoring rule of law when more than half your fighting age population are migrants or the children of migrants who don't stand to benefit from the status quo, while a solid 30-40% of the young have those old people as their parents and stand to inherit from them.

Also, bear in mind that labor will be less and less a valuable (if had been getting less so for 70 years now, making up ever smaller shares of all income in the West), so that inheriting capital will be the number one way to secure wealth and power.

I don't think many people are aware of how badly economic mobility has tanked in the past 50 years and how much worse it is likely to get with automation. You're looking at stratification more in line with the Middle Ages.

>>25054704
Rome recovered, only after huge disasters, because Christianity restarted the birth rate by making child rearing valued again and forbidding infanticide and abortion, even among elites. Something like that *could* happen, but it seems doubtful in our current context.

>>25054815
Note though that sea changes are possible. Christianity reversed centuries of low elite birth rates in Greece and Italy, stopped a fairly ubiquitous practice of infanticide, and even eventually largely forbid slavery, which was sort of *the* pillar of the economy. A shift in values and worldview can do a lot in the long run, just as the shift towards the modern liberal ethos remade the West.

But a sort of neo-Stoic, common sense teleology seems more plausible today as an option to restart civic culture and values, and that probably wouldn't be enough to motivate birth rates upwards.

>>25054811
when more than half your fighting age population are migrants you have already been conquered without a fight
Time is on the migrants side unless there are mass deportations which I don't see happening.

>>25054815
>Christianity restarted the birth rate by making child rearing valued again and forbidding infanticide and abortion
[citation needed]

I really don't know what's stopping authoritarian places like China or North Korea from fixing their birth rates and forcing women to be mothers again
It's not like they have democracy and feminism isn't nearly as bad there as in the west

So far the only country in the world that has done the necessary step to raise their birth rates is Afghanistan.
Even Iran is below replacement.

>>25054667
>>25054604
I'm obsessed with this topic because I'm trying to answer this particular conundrum of how we've reached a point where liberal democracy is so obviously superior in strength and popularity to all other systems yet the people in these countries are falling into such despair and mania. I want to answer how a person like Elon Musk, the wealthiest man in the world, plays victim acting like the "system" is out to get him as if he isn't the system itself.

It's just undeniable that geopolitically, liberal democracy continues to succeed. We're on the brink of war with Iran this weekend and it's most likely going to be another regime change operation. Venezuela and Cuba won't last much longer, Russia can't even take parts of Ukraine. The thing is that geopolitics don't matter in this thesis much, the whole point is regarding whether liberalism actually "solves" society. Does it create a civilization that is so stable and where the masses are so utterly docile and placated that they will never revolt? That's the whole purpose of liberalism, and on this matter I'm less confident in liberalism's longevity. All the negative symptoms people mention in the West today -- fertility decline, cultural decay, technological dependency, demographic change, identity crises, depression -- are not obstacles for liberalism, they ARE liberalism. They're the direct product of the system and the logic of its ideology, and it isn't sustainable. This is what everyone fails to understand and their inability to recognize how self-defeating their beliefs are continue to be the main thing hindering our progress. It's a weird paradox where the more that liberalism succeeds the more it decays. We're all collectively killing ourselves by trying to win and cross the finish line to reach the end of history because this ideology inherently leads to a world of technocrat oligarchs ruling over the brown mutt masses promising tranhumanist bio enhancements. That is certainly not an environment where liberalism can thrive.

>>25054604
People also underplay how much military technology is changing with autonomous systems. Even the Ukraine War, which is being fought by poor, backwards militaries is using vastly fewer men then you would have seen in 1914. Technology is making it so small, highly trained cadres with extremely expensive equipment can wipe the floor with vastly larger mass mobilized forces. This is exactly what happened with the stirrup and the transition to the mounted knight, leading to feudalism.

One thing to keep in mind is that the rights of the citizens and the welfare state were largely won because getting citizen buy-in was essential to winning wars. Wars across the modern period were increasingly won by mass mobilization, both military and economic. Now the manufacturing of weapons and the fighting of wars requires way fewer people, and instead relies on expensive capital. The masses will be increasingly irrelevant to winning wars. At the same time, advances in surveillance technology and the same advances in weaponry will make it so that the threat of revolt can more easily be met by a smaller number of loyal forces.

What this means for the rights and privileges of the masses depends on elite opinion, but certainly the forces that won them those fights appear to be shifting dramatically. At the same time, they are also becoming less and less economically relevant. There is always a surplus of labor, even educated labor these days, whereas a small elite pool is responsible for most rapid growth.

So what happens when the masses are irrelevant for winning wars or amassing fortunes? Historically, this sort of shift leads towards something more like oligarchy and patron-client relations or feudalism.

>>25054833
If China forced women to be mothers, its economy would crash from the female withdrawal from the workforce.
North Korea would suffer the same but far worse because they barely have the economy and resources to support the population they have now.

>>25054793
the vast majority of white collar work doesn't need to take place in urban centers anymore

>>25054466
>ICE is le Brownshirts
What’s up with all the retarded libtards lately

>>25054840
The decline was not the result of liberalism, the west was functioning until the 2 World wars killed its will to live

>>25054844
Do they actually contribute to the economy unlike in the west where they take cozy bullshit jobs?

>>25054845
White collar work still clusters around areas with highly developed service industries, technology infrastructure and distribution centers aka cities. It's just that white collar workers take their remote work to slightly smaller and more decentralized urban areas with lower costs than the urban mega-centers. You will therefore see people moving from NYC to Austin, not from NYC to a farm in Kansas. They will also move to urban mega-centers in developing countries, such as Mexico. So not only does urbanization continue with the decentralization of white collar work, it arguably speeds it up and spreads it out further.

>>25054851
The youth in the world are the most liberal that have ever lived, don't be delusional. Just because you see MAGA skeptical of liberals doesn't mean everything they do still isn't in the name of liberalism. We're literally going to war with Iran for freedom and liberty yet again like Iraq, it doesn't matter how little Trump personally characters for liberal rule of law to achieve his aims. He's still the leader of the Liberal Empire

Rather, the real critique we should be making is that people are clinging to liberalism while recognizing the problems it is creating. They are complaining about the effects of its contradictions while refusing to recognize those contradictions and how to fix them. This is a much more pertinent threat. It means we're essentially sleepwalking into disaster because any time we start asking the hard questions about this ideology people act like they're committing blasphemy and hesitate, lest they be Islamists/Nazi fascists/ Commies for wondering how much wisdom John Stuart Mill really had

>>25054840
This modern managerial bureaucracy barely has anything to do with actual liberalism, their goal clearly is neo feudalism

>>25054859
yes my point is that things that are currently happening won't always be happening

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>>25054857
Yes, women make up a huge proportion of the factory labor in China that makes your plastic gadgets and textiles.

>>25054865
That's not a point.

>>25054841
The elite openly said they see most of us as useless eaters and want to get rid of us

>>25054861
>The youth in the world are the most liberal that have ever lived
That's the millennials, zoomers were shown to be the first generation since WWII to be less liberal than the previous one, they have no hope in the system because they know their life is gonna be much worse than their parents.

>>25054870
yes it is
>well things aren't like that now
this is all you're saying

>>25054881
I'm presenting reasoning and evidence for why present trends will continue. You're not presenting any evidence why they won't, you're just insisting "it doesn't have to be this way." Fine for you if you want to stay in lala land, pal.

>>25054892
present trends are almost entirely unsustainable, cities are becoming increasingly expensive while the bottom rung of the third world is being dumped into them
white collar work is in a spiral, zoomers are almost unemployable and anyone that isn't a senior leader has no ideological buy in, "return to office" mandates have been total failures
we're on the track for widespread social upheaval, it's naive to think current trends are going to persist for 50 years

>>25054912
>50 years
They Wil not last for 10

>>25054915
I agree, I think we have 10-20 years max before we see rapid and potentially violent change

>>25054861
For the first time in modern polling 18 year old men voted more conservative than men 75+. That ain't nothing. I don't think they are so much conservative as disillusioned though.

>>25054840
Well, to draw on the historical parallel, the Roman Republic collapsed even as it was winning wars on all fronts, taking on ever more land, securing its role as hegemon, and becoming more wealthy. That didn't stop it from collapsing into cycles of riots and reigns of terror and civil war until the system finally entirely broke down and was replaced wholesale so they only the empty forms of the old system existed a generation later.

Note that something similar could happen. Russia doesn't need to conquer Europe for the liberal EU project to fail. The US doesn't need to balkanize or become utterly poor for its constitution to go out of force and for it to lapse into a non-liberal, non-republican form of rule. I'd say we're well on the way to such a change with no end in sight. If you only focus on Russia and China I think that's missing the point. It would be like saying, even in 450AD, "Rome cannot go away and fail because the Persians will never make it this far West and the Germans will just settle into the Roman system.

Well, the Germans did just settle into the system. The vestiges of Rome didn't vanish in 476. Boethius could feel fairly Roman a generation later. But they were withering and beyond repair and would be utterly gone in another 150 years. Civilizations aren't built in a day and they don't die in a day either.

>>25054840
>Elon Musk, the wealthiest man in the world
He's not, you have fallen for propaganda.

>>25055145
bro?
https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/

>>25054208
Yeah? That would have been an appropriate thing to say in, say, 1000 Ad or whatever.

>>25054667
>Median wages growth has stagnated for over 50 years across the West
How could you possibly believe this? This is 2+2=5 level retarded.

This place is just down right embarrassing.

>>25055223
Go to Xitter and pol if you want to talk about your boring Current Thing of the Week political topic about ICE or Greenland or whatever the fuck

>>25055237
Maybe don’t smear your shit covered fingers across your keyboard just to respond with something totally off key of what I have issue with? You like the rest haven’t read Fukuyama and just ad lib shit out of your ass and worthless responses like yours. Fuck you.

>>25054188
I disagree. If anything authoritarianism has made a big comeback. Fukuyama used the wrong term. What's not going away is liberal trade. Interdependence. Even if we go multipolar, it'll be zones and chains, not national self reliance or strict bilateralism.
But liberalism in terms of human rights, democracy, non authoritarianism. Thats all crap. There are more authoritarian developed economies today than there aren't

>>25055223
What a great response

>>25055259
Welcome

>>25054223
World leaders at the WEC including Canada's prime minister openly saying that the global rules based order is dead and that the world economy must be restructured. This in itself doesn't mean liberalism is dead but the implications are grim

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Actually, history already ended hundreds of years ago. We’re just rehashing old shit now.

I frankly don't see a way the west will recover and become a dominant force again without a major war or collapse, the system is just too corrupt and most people are realizing protesting or voting won't solve anything.

>>25055180
This is a common fact remarked on by economists. Real wage growth (adjusted for inflation) decoupled from productivity growth around 1970.

Real wages haven't totally stagnated. It would be more fair to say their growth rate stagnated at very low rate that doesn't go up during expansions and contracts in recessions, wiping out most growth over the long run.

Second, the picture is more complicated. For the top 10%, income has growth at a very robust rate. For the bottom 40% and particularly the bottom 20%, wages actually fell dramatically in the 80s and 90s and only slowly began to recover. The 2020 pandemic was a sort of inversion where the wages of the bottom 40% grew at the fastest rate in half a century (even accounting for inflation) while wages for the top 10% actually declined for the first time in ages. Notably, it was during this period that newspapers were freaking out about inflation. After Biden opened the floodgates on migration, allowing more migrants in less than 3 years than Obama or Bush II in 8, wages for the lower 40% shot back down while the wages of the elite shot back up. Notably, when this reversal occured, the mainstream press began to argue that inflation wasn't as bad as it seemed lol.

But because Fed policy works to keep the markets up (because the US system makes the poor and middle class retirement rely on the market, and so they think they win from these policies even though the top richest 10% own over 90% or all stocks and bonds), returns on capital investment routinely outstrip inflation by a large margin, essentially risk free since huge intervention is made to stabilize losses whenever they occur at a wide scale. So you end up with absolutely titanic wealth inequality that dwarfs income inequality. Wages only tell part of the story.

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>>25055661
Forgot the pic. This trend has occured across the West.

>>25055560
is the point of this comic to prove Hegel right?

>>25054256
arguably, it would be illiberal democracy
states like Hungary, China, Saudi Arabia etc are the best at exploiting the current flaws in liberal democratic institutions, and they are what will be left behind after its collapse
but it is hard to tell.
Also you don't need to show that liberal democracy is being overtaken by something, only that it is failing

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We have this exact thread every month

>>25055696
How is China democratic in any way

>>25055699
And we will until something happens

>>25055704
>An illiberal democracy is a governing system that "hides its nondemocratic practices behind formally democratic institutions and procedures"
China de jure has elections, a parliament, multiple political parties, limited freedom of speech and press. They just do a very poor job of appearing democratic, but it is in theory one of the core principles of their country (民主). Of course, they have codified being a 1-party state into their constitution, which is rather advanced, but I think this is the path other illiberal democracies like Russia Hungary India etc will go down.

not all illiberal democracies are the result of democratic backsliding, rather some like China Vietnam Belarus have always existed as such.

>>25055704
Nothing ever happens...until

>>25055710
China effectively has a one party rule so elections are just for show

>>25055763
not effectively, literally. It's written in the constitution that the CCP is the only ruling party.
the point of it being an illiberal democracy is that is apes the institutions of a democracy but carries out none of them

>>25055164
Notice the *

>>25055793
good point. i dont see an asterix but i'm sure there is something that could be asterixed hypothetically. i'm going to the bookstore what book should i get

>>25055259
What’s your problem then?

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The corner stone to liberal Democratic systems is the rule of law and accountability, and currently the global crime syndicate that murdered Kennedy, runs the finances of the global drug trade, and trafficks children by the tens of billions of dollars has an orange demented senile retard in the Oval Office. What a farce. Deserves to be destroyed in the most brutal and savage war in human history.

>>25056060
t. a soft cunt who grew up in a peaceful democacy and has never actually experienced any hardship in his life

>>25056087
t. Larping suburban fat ass with no argument

>>25056095
this but you

>>25055178
Woosh

>>25056060
Pedophiles are non-conformist übermensch who attack the sacred moral illusions of the herd and are therefore based.

>>25054850
Bush Force Klan are more wanna be fascists, but yeah. Why so unprofessional? Why take to the streets if you're scared out of your gourd that nurses and soccer moms are gonna kill you?

>>25056411
>who attack defenseless children
You are a sad and stupid piece of shit who should actually commit suicide

>>25056060
True.

>>25056441
>t. 40 year old woman

>>25056459
Was this supposed to be an insult?
Making 13 years younger. And you're still a pedophile promoter?

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>political scientist graduate
>RAND politician

No I will not care about the opinion of a nepo baby. Stop making threads about this CCP WEF shill that gives as good insights about politics as rich dad poor dad writer. The dude cheers on other nepo babies like macron for acting le smug cool social media kid when an old boomer trump so much as makes the slightest imperialist threat over greenland.

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>>25056531
>Against neoliberalism
>Unless it's neoliberalism by Trump
You are such a brainlet

>>25054188
I think the liberal democratic order is under challenge, but I agree with the general premise that absent some kind of sci-fi utopian automated luxury communism, this is the best model and Fukuyama will ultimately be vindicated.

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>>25056544
idgaf about europe. The continent has been a drain up the ass of the rest of the world since the 18th century. Everybody that wants to leave a legacy of children/business/contributions leave that place.

>oooh you dare not be a colony state to us glorious brittish, time to put a stop to that
>oooh you are trying to expand on that land but you are just a new country lets try to put an end to that even though we have a greater military
>oh please america give us funds for destroying our continent over who gets to be the top colony international slave owner state
>oh you have a booming tech economy creating economic opportunity, not so fast time to fine them you can't keep being prosperous and independent we need that money to drink in our cafes and stare at our decaying monuments

Euro neoliberalism is just thuggism over a dying continent atleast american neoliberalism goes somewhere for the average person. Fookooyama might as well be an EU/CCP plant.

>>25056602
>dying continent
>pic of jeetlon musk
Poetry

>>25056580
It will be fixed once jews are mass expelled from the west

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>>25056611
>not 1 significant company came out of europe in last 50 years
>top company founders are ex european or generations removed from continent
>EU resorts to copy pasting jeet importation when they don't even have any big companies to occupy with jeet talent

please tell me how amazing this continent of SAP and volkswagen is doing. Oh right you have a small handful of scientists circlejerking over trash physics theories from the 20th century. That's the next spaceX right there.

>>25056654
SpaceX is not a significant company you brown

>>25054223
we'll be lucky if plumbing still works after the leftists take over in 2028

>>25055699
It's an important historical moment. We're on the verge of the Iraq War 2.0 with Iran. If it somehow manages to lead to Iran becoming a liberal democracy then everyone (including Fukuyama who has been sounding the alarm about Trump) is going to have to revise all their skepticism of liberalism and American globalism when a force like Trump could overall become a force for liberal expansion. If it goes wrong then skeptics of liberal democracy are correct and the system is in terminal decline, set to be replaced by technocratic despotism.

>>25056686
spacex ipo this year will likely pass a trillion dollar valuation, remind me how many trillion dollar pre-ipo startups does europe have at the moment?

>>25056602
The globalist elite don't actually care about their homelands either. The land can be worked by the poor browns just as easily to them.
Those elites and the American elites work together more than you think. Which is odd, since you see how closely tied the US is to Shitrael

>>25057124
Files dropped today accusing trump of using grinded up child sex trafficking victims as putting green fertilizer and this is what you’re concerned about lol. Regime change in Iran will just be Syria 2.0 but an entire order of magnitude worse.

>>25057172
The Epstein junk is nothing compared to the stakes this Iran war has. I don't think anyone realizes just how much the West is fucked if we get another Iraq scenario and how people are going to conclude liberalism is a dying ideology if America can't even come close to "spreading freedom and liberty" anymore. On the flip side if the war somehow leads to the outcome of liberal regime change then the 1000 year libtard reich is confirmed which means civilization is fucked

>>25054475
weak ragebait

>>25054473
You live in a bubble.

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>>25056399

https://archiveofourown.org/users/Silmeloop

>>25054188
Bump

>>25056878
>everything is going to shit!
>no it isn't.
>it might maybe go to shit three years from now!

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>>25056878
Indeed. Trump needs to imrpison and execute all members of the demonrat party and rule as a total dictator. Iran has showed how protests should be dealt with.

>>25059471
The way things are going with Trump I don’t even think another Republican will ever get elected again. And this is even before he launches a disastrous war in Iran.

>>25059928
People said that after Bush

>>25059471
too easy for leftists to pretend we're fascists that way. let's instead do mass arrests on anti-ICE protestors by designating them as terrorists instead, then manufacture a political investigation into democrat funding of them. while that's happening, the big six face investigation for inciting this terrorism, then finally tanks roll up to the universities and we torture all intellectuals see if they're true believers or just playing into the system. the true believers will be sent to an alaskan labor camp, but the rest can stay scared silent.

>>25060039
oh yeah this should go without saying but the anti-ICE protestors will be in jail for life. execution is too easy, most of these bastards want to burn in hell but maybe some will realize betraying their own blood for invaders was so stupid. beyond that, they would make better slave labor than the mexicans.

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>>25055704
>How is China democratic in any way
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole-process_people%27s_democracy

>>25059962
Trump is a rare once in a lifetime force with no successors or institutional legacy. He changed our culture but that was for the worse

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>>25054223
>>25054408
No, it has always been a demiurgic nightmare reality. It must end.

>>25054491
Why didn't you just buy crypto?

>>25054263
Just get a better job and buy better food and get better health care? People with good jobs have time to read books, why don't you read? What the fuck are you an Uber driver lmfao loser?

>>25054574
>That's not what is happening at all lmao
Yes it is. You'll see when America liberates it, everyone wants this.

>>25061995
OK boomer

>>25061998
>liberates it
Yes just like Iraq and every other country they occupated
Russia will not let Iran fall to ZOG

>>25061920
>It must end.
Unless you avoid the light after death, it will never end.

>>25062006
LMFAO yeah it's better under POG. What's even the difference except America will give it freedom it deserves. Every country is better under America, look at Poland, Yugoslavia, Italy, all the other ex communist shitholes. Egypt, thirdworldias all over Arabia and Middle East, who is better, MOG, POG, or ZOG lmfao idiot.

>>25054208
OP was thoroughly btfo right here, I don't know why people kept discussing further for over 150 posts

>>25062014
Kvetch harder kike
The world is sick of you telling everyone what to do

>>25062014
Libya and Iraq were stable places under their dictators and now they are warzones

>>25054667
>This isn't a minor problem. 33% means each generation will see declines twice that of the Black Death. But it's actually worse than the Black Death because those people just died. Instead, you will have states where 40% of the population is over 60 and a solid 1 in 8 to 1 in 5 will be over 75, meaning massive problems paying for retirees and lack of services. Migration can make this up a bit, but only by introducing new problems.
Shit excuse for genocide. For Europe, the time after the Black Death was the most prosperous time in its existence (the Renaissance), precisely because there was so much resources and so much less people. This just means that migrants aren't "needed" at all, we could be in a new golden age if they didn't want to specifically genocide White Europeans.

>>25054667
>Median wages growth has stagnated for over 50 years across the West and we are slowly headed for a world where over 50% of ALL income comes from capital, not labor.
Why is this a problem? Your grandparents left you their houses, right? Or?

>>25062020
>Your grandparents left you their houses
You think boomers left anything for their children? Lmao

>>25054811
I will inherit nothing because my parents are already dead and didn't leave me shit, and I will have to work 5 shitty jobs that migrants are getting preferentially hired for (delivery etc) instead of locals so I can't even get them, and I'm way too old to go to university or whatever now, and AI killed my previous graphic design/motion graphics which I really couldn't predict.

Is it over for me? I really don't know what to do anymore and I would much prefer if I didn't have to die in my 40s.

don’t know why that matters, the hegelian version of the matter is like some fucked up time crystal bullshit anyways

>>25054840
The US and UK are illberal democracies at best and realistically are neo-feudalist oligarchies dressed up as democracy. Don't kid yourself. The only question is whether you think it's a good thing or a bad thing.

>>25062026
Yeah what do you think they spent it on? If you had 4 grandparents and 2 parents, and you're an only child or only have one sibling, you're getting 2-6 houses at least. You can rent one or two out and buy a nice mansion on the coast of Italy or somewhere and be retired forever.

>>25054188
Considering every single liberal country is becoming increasing illiberal, I'd say it's a failed system. Liberalism in 2026 looks nothing like it did even 10 years ago, let alone 50.

>>25062015
Liberalism is a quasi-religious ideology, it doesn’t just go away because of material circumstances

>>25060039
>too easy for leftists to pretend we're fascists that way.
>pretend
lmao

>>25063490
yes some of us are obviously, but most really aren't. we're primarily just white identarians and nationalists, whereas our other positions are quite diverse even many are socially reactionary fiscally whateverworksism. if you find to be them the same thing you will prove my next point: the meaning of fascism in the eyes of western socialists equates to porky's goons roaming the street to screw over the common man and suppress his valid class concerns. shouldn't that ring a bell? the 21st century anarchists are fascists (PMC jews + petit bourgeoisie whites working with degenerate lumpenprole illegal aliens i.e gay race communists) whereas the 21st century fascists are anarchists (ordinary patriotic white proletarians, or any proletarians really that don't want the dominant race in america to be a hated minority in their own country and infact want their country's culture and industry restored to its former glory).

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>>25063683
oh not to mention how most of us are anti-imperialist because it's too much of a hassle to deal with other races and arbitary geopolitical trite. we're literally better communists than you. even some oldtroon marxists would think so.

Liberal democracy has never existed.

>>25063738
True. It has been oligarchy ever since the Republic fell

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>>25055540
>Canada's prime minister

>>25063932
They got rid of Trudeau

>>25063738
Modern liberal democracy is just Jewish oligarchy

The fact Fukuyama never addressed the JQ says everything

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>>25054188
Liberal democracy only works in an ethnically homogeneous society.
The native western populations are the only people who believe in the liberal exchange of ideas, debate and democracy. Immigrant groups organise to vote unanimously in their own interests.

In the UK, the muslim population will largely vote for what their elder tells them to, and the elder will be part of an organisation that strategically votes in favour of muslim interests. Democracy is a sham in a mass-migration environment.

You can't have a liberal democracy, because traitors and weaklings will eventually choose to allow immigration or empowerment of outgroups. Subverted or not, that's what's happened to the west.
However, Locke, et, al. were correct about the whole consent of the governed thing. Even if you set aside human rights, individual liberties, equal application of law, etc., which are huge to set aside if you want a healthy and stable nation, you still have to watch out for nepotism and incompetence.
What form of government allows the people to have a say, without being fake and gay democracy? I seem to remember some pol/ack talking about guilds as representation in government.

In a mostly homogenous society, democracy can be a competition of ideals. In a "multicultural" society, it becomes a demographic headcount of who's who. Aristotle, if it was really his quote, knew this thousands of years ago. The West is doomed to fail, ironically because the things that its populations have been led to believe are its strengths, are actually becoming its weaknesses.

>>25064346
>Jewish oligarchy
Capitalism causes oligarchy. There's nothing specifically Jewish about it. Usury/interest isn't good, but are you Muslim enough to not use it?
Stop coping and understand what it is you are upset with. It is capitalism.

>>25064677
>only works in an ethnically homogeneous
LOL NO
Stop repeating garbage, moron.

>>25060338
So, dictatorship is democracy because the dictator knows what's best for the people.

>>25064817
Prove him wrong
Whites vote based on ideology, non-whites vote based on their in group interest

>>25064811
Shalom

>>25062019
I think you're misunderstanding what those levels of fertility mean. Anon is right that fertility for places like Korea is at about 35% of replacement, and some native populations in the West are pretty close to this.

This is not like the Black Death though. You're not talking about a one time hit to population. Rather, you are going to have decade after decade where the elderly are 30, even 40% of the population, as was pointed out.

More importantly, the declines are much more drastic if the fertility rate doesn't reverse. Over 100 years, a rate that low means that each successive generation is drastically smaller. Assuming four generations over a century, a 33% of replacement rate will cut your population by 98.8%. Obviously, it won't be that bad at the hundred year mark because members of the older generations will still be hanging on, but it's a not particularly long path towards extinction level changes.

If your fighting age population drops to 10% of what it once was, you're not going to be able to defend yourself.

At this point I'm just waiting which developed country will restore patriarchy, raise their birth rates and take over the world.
Unfortunately it seems the only countries that are currently ahead of the curve are the Islamic ones.

>>25064881
INED had a good projection tool. For my son born this year, I looked at the US + Canada. Today, it has 389,000,000 people. If we start with current fertility rates and slowly nudge them down towards Korea and Taiwan's current rate, the region the two counties will have just 172,000,000 people by the time he is 85. If you follow current trends in the decline more closely (less optimistically) and we hit Taiwan levels around 2035 instead of 2070, it's just 100,000,000. But also the pyramid becomes increasingly top heavy.

The whole continent will be a giant waste land of abandoned cities. Europe and China will be even worse.

>>25064897
Who would have ever ever thought that letting women vote and have jobs would be a worse humanity ending disaster than a plague or a nuclear war.

>>25064905
Nearly everybody, which makes it interesting that it was forced through anyway.

>>25064897
I really don't see the current system last for another 10-20 years, something is going to break by that point.

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>>25064905
China doesn't let anyone meaningfully vote and they have it even worse though. Russia likewise essentially has a new, quite trad leaning Tsar at this point, and it'll be one of the very worst places for demographic collapse.

>>25064917
Because women can still have jobs and education

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>>25064897
Counterpoint, Africa just passed one billion people in 2015 and its population will double and double again by 2100. If it kept current rates, it alone would have ten billion by 2105. But UN projections are already falling behind because population has grown faster than expected and there is also emerging evidence that the African rural population has been dramatically undercounted.

But even on low end projections, well over half of all people under 18 will be Africans by 2100. Some countries have median ages of like 15.

Pic related is just the prime age urban working population.

>>25064931
Maybe the entire world should be converted into a welfare state just to support the African farm. They can't do it without us. We need to sacrifice in Switzerland and Belgium so that they can have essential services, like pornography and c-sections.

Of course, this will require the perfection of surveillance states and managerial capitalism in all countries.

>>25064931
Yeah that is absolutely not sustainable

>>25064931
Africa added like 450-400,000,000 people since 2015 already too.

Look up the expected population for cities like Lagos and Kinsasha by late this century. They will be close to 100 million.

>>25064931
Nigeria has a higher birth rate right now than the entirety of Europe

>>25064931
Planet of the Apes was not supposed to be a documentary

>>25064843
>Loser boy thinks it's all the (((jooz))) and their greed
>Someone stands against capitalism
How can you stand on two diametrically opposed ideals?
I know your imagination is shot to shit, but try to imagine a world without money dragging your down and giving jews and everyone else power over you. Think, stupid.

>>25064835
Show me your democracies

>>25064972
Imagine being this ignorant after the Epstein files and his ties to mossad

>>25064944
Neither is the West and China losing 40-70% of their population over the next century.

Now granted, Africa is in a bad place because it has very weak states and is the place that is going to get utterly crushed by global warming later this century (Bangladesh being the other one). But Africans are also getting wealthier and can now afford to travel far easier and the transportation infrastructure connecting sub-Saharan Africa to Europe and MENA is booming. Thus, if there is a crisis, there can be an escape valve for a few hundred million. And since Europe, China, and the US will be loosing hundreds of millions, there is a clear solution.

Of course, states should plan for this because it is going to make the 2015 migrant crisis look like a little trickle next to a waterfall. I think most population projections have out migration planned in, normally 200-350,000,000, mostly but obviously not exclusively to Europe.

>>25065029
A migration of such massive scale would cause a civil war

>>25065029
Interestingly, while fear mongering focuses largely on MENA migrants, the reality is that, depending on policies, it will actually be Africans (not North Africans) who make up the largest demographic in Europe by as early as the early 2100s.

>>25065011
That's some confused non sequitur you got there.

Lets start over. Maybe you missed this. >>25064811
Capitalism is the cause of oligarchy. The young republic of anywhere and anytime will have it's elected officials bribed and groomed into quite the obedient lapdogs for those with the wealth. This will happen to any human tribe no matter what.

Epstein and the other zionists use money and blackmail to keep their managerial and propaganda class in line. How am I ignorant here? Have you been able to run my thought experiment through your noggin? Imagine what would happen to all these sickos if everyone decided to not use money. Their power would be nullified. What's the issue?

>>25065029
MENA had its own population problem, it will just come a bit later. This will be good for the region I think. There are a lot of long standing tensions and an influx of outsiders would help dilute old grievances. A world where Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen make room for African displaced by climate change could make for a more dynamic economy and peaceful region. It's a win win.

>>25065035
That's even worse
Their IQ is below 70

>>25065049
>A world where Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen make room for African displaced by climate change could make for a more dynamic economy and peaceful region
Not sure if serious or joking

Well it's sad to see white people go out with a whimper like this, they had a good run but they decided to commit a civilizational suicide after the 2 world wars and make place for Africans and Asians instead.
I wonder how these people will see them in the future, maybe as mythical creatures that once ruled the world but who slowly just disappeared. And the only group of whites left will be a few isolated religious zealot groups.

>>25065042
>corruption is inevitable in capitalism so you should just accept being a slave to Jews

>>25064922
the imperialists in all three empires consider that an economic necessity even though it would be objectively better economically in the long run to have a patriarchial society where women have large families. all of our leaders are only focused on the short term, which is why they will all crumble in the end if nothing changes.
>>25064931
shiiet, i thought they were dropping because they've dropped in the rest of the third world. they need to start mass sterilizations and ween them off foreign aid. let africa go back to being tribal. we can make trade deals with them, sell them arms in exchange for resources.

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>>25065080
>so you should just accept
This is what people do, yeah. I do not like it and want people to stop doing this. Reread
>run my thought experiment through your noggin.
>Imagine what would happen to all these sickos if everyone decided to not use money.
What would happen is we'd be free again.

>>25065074
East Asians see going extinct even faster. Latin Americans and Indians seem ready to go in the same path. It's really Africa that will fill in the world.

But there will still be Israel.

>>25065074
we've been through much worse before. late rome, al andalus, great britain in the british empire. and every time, we get up and fight for our survival. this time will be no different. if anything, it may be easier. in the old days, the invaders were warriors and the oligarchs ruthless. now? they're both spoiled brats high on their on supply. if the globalists won't allow peaceful measures, our race has gone through so many wars outnumbered and thrived out the other end. the white man shall march on.

>>25054229
>well when you go to the store now everything is locked behind plexiglass because otherwise people would steal it all.
I have never personally seen this except for two weeks during the time in covid when everyone was looting due to lockdowns.
>housing is completely unaffordable
The real truth is that housing isn't unaffordable, there isn't enough of it. The actual price per square foot hasn't really gone up that much, but the government hasn't bankrolled small starter-homes being built so the only thing being built are giant mcmansions.
>impossible to get a job
The only real complaint in your doomer post and this happens everytime the economy downturns.

>>25054857
>where they take cozy bullshit jobs?
The majority of women in the west do service or retail jobs.

>>25054466
>shocktroops
>shooting people for nothing
>elected leaders
>defending themselves
>take it by any means
>dicksucking makes you president
I'm curious how can someone end up in such a parallel reality. Are you a woman? Are you transitioning? Is it merely living in a bubble? Do you have schizophrenia? What is it that makes you bend reality to such an extent?

>>25065140
>parallel reality.
You seem to be in one, anon.

>>25065049
Human history is literally a Paradox simulation game being run by some higher being, huh? We must be getting played by some expert player who is showing off by winning a flawless victory using a tiny desert tribe. He is truly a master player. Just consider:

>In 1914 whites are a third of the global population. They control Europe, India, Africa, China as a thrall, North America, Australia, the Middle East as colonies (by 1918), and Latin America as a ruling caste.
>The Jews are a tiny, tiny population who are being routinely pogromed and have just won equal rights even where they have rights.

Then, by 2014:
>Whites have lost control of Africa, India, MENA, China, and Latin America. They are well on their way to becoming minorities in their own lands and those they colonized.
>They are headed towards 5% of the population
>They face extinction level fertility drops
>Asians, the other rival, have even worse fertility.

Meanwhile, they spam our migrants, Africa being the big pool, and take out all competition. In another century, they will stand alone. Then comes the AI empowered culling.

This, after they successfully got the Roman and Persian empires, and through them most of the world, to worship their God in a flawless cultural victory for the pre-modern game.

Truly, it's a joy to watch. This is even better than conquering the world using Byzantium starting in 1440.

>>25065265
If you're the anon I was writing to, please stop making assumptions and simply answer the questions. If not, kindly fuck off.

>>25065384
Your questions are facetious and reveal how little you know about any of this. So you need to be walked through this again

Anon said "barely anything" is fascist. The term used should be "fascistic" as in fascist-like. (Since fascism has become some super specific thing and the proponents of fascism like to deny things are getting that way till it's too late to stop them)

>Masked shocktroops shooting people for nothing
The US is supposed to have a constitution affording people rights. The recent victims of ICE agent murders have not committed any crime by these laws. This implies the ICE agents think the Constitution has been suspended or rescinded. (In all honestly, I think has been)
>Kidnapping elected leaders
Maduro was legitimately elected by the people of Venezuela. Impartial election officials attest to this. (The US votes less and less these years. What was the last one, 37%?)
>Bombing nations for defending themselves
Israel launched an attack on Iran, which prompted a response from Iran. The US of course hit Iran for trying to defend itself.
>Claiming land is his and vowing to take it by any means
Trump (Israel?) needs Greenland and neither the locals nor their colonial owners the Danes want to give it up, but the Trump admin doesn't want to let it go at that.

>dicksucking makes you president
Epstein files are full of some wild and terrible details. I knew they were friends (Trump has been a big DNC donator in the past of course)

I am not bending reality, I am reporting things to you that you don't want to know.

>>25065449
This answers my questions. Thanks.

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>>25065536
Okay.

>>25065560
Where is this from?

>>25065567
Faggy French movie, probably. It disgusts me.

>>25065567
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KatrkzFE6S4

>>25065594
Czech

>>25065338
if the west falls so do jews its the old golem parable come to life (if the west does fall)

>>25065122
>The actual price per square foot hasn't really gone up that much
Yeah just from $500-900 to $3000-8000 in my third world Eastern European shithole in the past 5-6 years or so.

>>25065338
by 2024 america has the most nationalist president since calvin coolidge. by 2034 we're going to have a nationalist nixon who subverts the corrupt state from behind the scenes. by 2044 we're getting the fourth american dictator who will liberate europe and the anglosphere like napoleon. i don't think you realize just how radicalized american youth are now and going to get. as the jews put it, never again.