>>25062762
I blame the French.

The Bolcheviks weren’t quoting Freud. This was seen as bourgeois decadence.

At one point the most prominent leftists thinkers were French. But those mf were also from French academia/inteligencia. And the more something looks obtus and arcane the more you can guard it from others. Psychoanalysis was basically that for them.
also, like the great theologian father Ted once said "oh the Bible, you ça make it say what you want"
Psychoanalysis is the same. So if something contradicts you you can laugh at it and say the other didn’t understood it properly.


Leftist killed God but they all want to be preachers.

>>25062762
I do agree that psychoanalysis is pseudoscience in a sense, (though I find it very compelling) but it is my understanding that the mechanisms of the psyche and the brain are even today not that well-known. So even newer, comprehensive theories about the psyche, that perhaps have more reference points to newer, scienfically sound studies, are bound to fail in their scientificity, at least as far as they claim to be comprehensive mappings of the psyche.

>>25062918
What innate mentality drives the French to act like this?

>>25062762
How come rightoids can never provide a scientific basis for their beliefs? MAGATs will harp on endlessly over "race" yet there is no basis for what this even is, so I guess from your perspective the rightiods obsession with "race" is the same as psychoanalysis, even though there is demonstrable proof on how to profile and read people. For instance, we can define rightoids as being displaying grandiose behaviour despite their blatant impotence, their overwhelming fear and perception of faults and slights, driving them to lash out at everyone and everything around them like a toddler rejected of sustenance, the supply, the mothers breast. So yes, certifiably we can assume rightoids are no more than mortified infants, forever delayed and stuck in a time rift of infantility.

>>25062932
I’m French and my analysis is: class structure.
Our class system doesn’t only rely on money like in the us. It also relies on perceived culture. It is a class system where mocking the other and appearing knowledgeable of books and theories is also a class signal and it’s very guarded.
Speaking to someone with a phd in France is an exercise in being insulted.

>>25062762
Leftoids want the respectability of the scientific but suffer from the brainlet's dread of mathematics. Thus the midwit wordcel is born.

Western Marxists around the 1930s decided that culture was more influential on material production and class consciousness than had previously been thought. They decided this at least in part because of the failure of Western communist movements to take gain traction. The Frankfurt School, particularly Adorno and Horkheimer, were the pioneers here.
So they searched around for new ideas on how to critique and conceptualize culture as Marxists. Freudian psychoanalysis was one of the major theories of the mind and culture at the time, so naturally they took that up, but Freudian ideas about the unconscious, repression, and symbolism seemed to fit the Marxist theory of culture like a glove, so they ran with it.
Somewhat later, French structuralist and post-structuralist Marxists (Althusser being the big name) continued this project and also drew in Lacanian psychoanalysis as well as structural anthropology and semiotics.
That lineage continues on through Zizek.
There's a lot more to say about why Marxists have stuck by psychoanalysis, but I don't think cognitive or neuroscientific ideas about the mind offer much to them in terms of the goals I've laid out about regarding the cultural turn of Marxism.

>>25062762
>I know that marxism is itself pseudoscientific
Psychoanalysis and marxism are a great corollary
Marxism is the wise sage, Marx, sitting in his smart guy chair, looking out at the world and diagnosing all of its problems and coming up with mind meltingly brilliant solutions
Psychoanalysis is the same except for the wise sage, the yoda figure, (Freud) is not looking out a window at the world, he is gazing at a another human
The end result is the same, kind of smart sounding nonsense

Because the left isn't interested in dialogue, as the dialogue will be (so they think) conducted only along the lines prescribed by bourgeois niceties, tradition and so on, and thus irredeemably poisoned by class interests. Unless you wield the power of the state, these bourgeois forces have to be contended with, and will insist on dialogue. All this being so, the most expedient option is to alter the language so that either you're too incomprehensible to have a dialogue with (Althusser, Derrida, Lacan, Zizek and so on) or have a ready-made assortment of impressive jargon that bundles an appeal to authority with ad hominem ("I diagnose you with xebophobia")

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>>25062969
Politiggers such as yourselves are only concerned with "science" insofar as it grants political authority. There isn't a shred of genuine science in any kind of political thought, because politics is about being vastly convincing and rhetorical, with common disregard and regular suppression of truths. Whatever one might say about the status of truth by itself, political and moral thinking is on the opposite end of truth. To be a scientist or a philosopher, you necessarily have to stand above being a politigger, however tempting it might be.

>>25062762
You seem to be thinking in an extremely dishonest axiomatic way where everything is either science or pseudoscience.
Psychoanalysis and Marxism are not "pseudoscience". They are just subjective theories like everything else that isn't rigorously peer reviewed and reproduced 1000 times. But I'm gonna take a guess that all the bullshit you probably believe isn't coming out of the most rigorous empirical academic journals either. Because not even the people making them are like that.
You can disagree with these theories but stop with the dishonest framing of everything you don't like as "pseudoscience". The concept of "pseudoscience" is quite stupid and subjective itself.

>>25062997
High quality post here

But would you say they have succeeded so far? From a theory’s point of view they have made themselves arcane to understand and seems to be more reflective on culture (producing analysis of it) than offensive. Mass culture have been mostly liberal and they did not convert people to Marxism with it.

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>>25062762
>Pseudoscience

>>25063063
If its proponents pretend it's scientific and it isn't, it's a pseudoscience. It's really quite simple, so don't try to muddy clear waters. Once acupuncturists simply show their ample evidence of how their needles will affect the patient's "qi", we can do away with that hurtful label.

>>25062997
>The Frankfurt School, particularly Adorno and Horkheimer, were the pioneers here.
Unequivocally wrong. Antonio Gramsci was the pioneer. Read more widely

>>25063118
And why should I care what anybody pretends to do, or how anybody presents anything? You're living under a paranoid slave's delusion that
A. The way a thing is presented means anything about the thing itself and
B. That you will find satisfactory evidence and proof for most things in the world
In front of everything is a claim and behind nearly everything is nothing. You should get used to this. Scientism is the quickest path to zombiehood.

>>25063123
Oh cool man, quick question tho: when were Gramsci's relevant writings published?

>>25063058
>are only concerned with "science" insofar as it grants political authority.
Nope. How could science grant political authority?
I could have asked instead "why do leftists fawn over psychoanalysis so much?" But that would have been boring. Toss is Popper's pseudoscience and then the bait has been said, guaranteeing engagement

>>25063063
This would bite of the adherents pf these theories didn't themselves constantly try to present them as scientific. I know academia is a joke, but still. Why fawn over some fucking german retard who thought he could divine memories not even his patients knew they had? Is it just a power-trip?
>The concept of "pseudoscience" is quite stupid and subjective itself.
Is it stupid because it's subjective. Because I don't know, I think falsifiability is a very reasonable subjective demand. But, I am willing to give religions the benefit of the doubt so long as they admit they are religious.

>>25063073
You can't have pluralism without a Zeus-like figure to order them about. Otherwise, you do get chaos.

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>>25062762
No, pseudoscience isn't a political thing, OP.
Science itself is a "leftist" thing, and the pursuit of the truth goes hand in hand with this "left".
It is the "right" that insists we have arrived and need no further investigations.

"Marxism"? Anon, dear. ECONOMICS is a pseudoscience.

>>25062933
>How come rightoids can never provide a scientific basis for their beliefs?
because it rests on common sense presumptions. the leftoid is a wordcel who builds webs of meaning to justify things like why villages should raise children and the identity of the father should remain anonymous and that ownership of anything justifies oppression narratives, whether economic, social or cultural. the right is a line descended from Plato and Aristotle, who the former justifies a heavenly father (no doubt mitigated through Christian readings and interlocutors like Augustine) while Aristotle is the building blocks of realism, which posits that there is a reality beyond experience. the Leftoid, by contrast, is constantly misusing Foucault to justify absolute freedom from everything, including sanity, and imploring that justice is defined by forcing removing the labor from the sweat of the producer class into the hands of people who didn't produce anything. But this just creates a new ruling class, as historian Richard Pipes attested. which is usually not grassroots at all but a product of a very oligarchic elite from a privileged university background who use manufactured consensus to warp the minds of laborers into doing their bidding. either Marx or Engels talk about something regarding the peasant question as they saw them as lackeys for the feudal nobility. the brainwashed laborers not only usurp the nobility but also punish the peasants for collaboration (see the Kulak purges).

>>25063335
>Science itself is a "leftist" thing, and the pursuit of the truth goes hand in hand with this "left".
no it does not. you are mentally ill. see, I can do psychoanalysis too.

>>25062933
both sides are gay and the coming synthesis will be exponentially gayer.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bPcgoaZjsu8

>>25063858
Name your favorite books, philosophers, and tell us if your were or are still MAGA

>>25063904
using "MAGA" as a political category outs you as someone that doesn't really have the mental capacity to discuss political philosophy

>>25062762
Well it's simple, every major theory created by jews was actually a political tool intended and used to fleece the gentiles they lived among. Leftists believe the jews are the good guys because they won ww2 and said so, ergo leftists forego scrutiny of the theories of jews on the basis of their jewishness, and leave themselves unprotected to the scam.

>>25062762
Science is not advanced enough to answer basic human questions.
The right does exactly the same with religion.

>>25063912
>Leftists believe the jews are the good guys
Did you die in the quarantine or something?

>>25062762
I'm not a leftist but think some degree of psychoanalysis is necessary to uncover your actual issue so you can really change as opposed to useless mindset training or sigmagrinding like rightists or cloaking yourself in the groupthink of the times like leftists

>>25063909
So, former MAGA, right? You're outting yourself as embarrassed

>>25063928
But why would someone want to change if they're content with their life? Like what if I have no problem being racist and I'm completely mentally well off, like if I have a job and healthy kids but I don't want brown people shitting up my neighborhood?

>>25063904
I've never even cared for Trump honestly. For someone who cares about psychology you're projecting massively.

Psychoanalysis is a cocoon of comfort.

Leftists gravitate to any doctrine that will coddle and soothe their uncertainty.

Right-wingers prefer inaccurate certainty.

>>25062762
Thank god liberals, conservates, reactionaries never get into pseudoscience! No OP, it's not something about *leftists* that gets them into pseudosciences, it's about *retards*. And retards are pervasive. Case in point, (you).

>>25063063
>Psychoanalysis and Marxism are not "pseudoscience". They are just subjective theories like everything else that isn't rigorously peer reviewed and reproduced 1000 times.
Marx claimed he was doing for political economy what Newton did for physics. I will judge by the standards he himself proposed

>>25063156
>Why should I hecking care about anything???
Little bro, if you have nothing to say, say nothing.

>>25062762
Because Freudianism, Marxism and Nietzscheanism all belong to what some call the hermeneutics of suspicion. Somebody says something you don't like, you whip one or more of these bad boys out and you can just handwave it all away with "it's just ressentiment", "it's just false consciousness", "it's just ideology", "you're just a repressed faggot" and the like and that's that, you don't have to engage at all with their arguments. They're popular because they are easy to use and save you the burden of having to think while simultaneously turning the argument into an argument made in bad faith.

Also probably because marxism, psychoanalysis, or sociology have serious pretentions to being scientific and despite how they like to think of themselves, lefties are very much deferential to authority by nature. That's why they just can't stop engaging in cults, like in the case of marxists, freudians, the infamous Lacan cult, Frankfurt school idolatry, etc.

>>25065013
Thank you.

>>25064318
To be fair, why be scientific at all. Warriors are what a makes a society great, not pencil pushing geeks. Sure they hold up the scaffolding but when they start to work against the society they claim to guard, there's always interment camps.

>>25062927
The proper response is to proceed with humility, not posit a theory and then use it to make predictive claims.

>>25062762
Because things like science and objective observation don't support their views. Everything they believe depends on subjectivism.

Psychoanalysis is just horoscopes for astrology and rape-victims (tautology).
Left vs right vs center vs liberal vs conservative is just astrology for the base, powerless cattle.

The answer is always "The Jews".

>>25062933
How does that blood taste

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>>25062918
>Leftist killed God but they all want to be preachers.
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>>25062762
why marxism freudism
>>25063853
>villages should raise children and the identity of the father should remain anonymous and that ownership of anything justifies oppression narratives
thats not marxim freudism except as applied. the theory of marxism freudism is to take then current theories of government and psychology and remove God
>>25063912
>every major theory created by jews was actually a political tool intended and used to fleece the gentiles they lived among
which explains why marxism freudism sounds like 150 years ago. there are more current theories of Godlessness like objectivism which posits a=a and the cult of the machine god who hold bayes theorem as their sacred text, but since zoomers have no assets since mommy stole everything from daddy, theres no need for a zoomer cult

>>25066596
based barely comphresinble meme