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>start with the Greeks
Any reason why one should start with the Greeks when it comes to reading literature?
What are the actual reasons?
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Did you install Gentoo, too? Fuckin' retard. Go outside once in a while.
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>>25062885
>Any reason
Every reason.
>Actual reasons?
Yes.
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>>25062885
greek literature is the root of western literary tradition. the idea is most of the western canon can’t be properly understood except in the light of greek lit.
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so you can understand the references in later works (the lowest form of figurative language)
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>>25062885
Because everything since is a pale imitation. You're not supposed to move on from them either
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>>25062907
What Greek work is Moby-Dick a pale imitation of?
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>>25062947
the odyssey
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>>25062885
>What are the actual reasons?
None. Anyone who says start with the Greeks don't actually read and lie to themselves that they're intelligent.
Also, anyone that says "everything is a inferior copy" automatically proves that they don't read at all.

Just read what you want and ignore the pseuds and posers here. In fact, literature improved AFTERwards.
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>>25062885
>What are the actual reasons for starting with the Greeks?
For literature in a narrow sense, Homer, Aeschylus, etc.? I don't know, but for anything else, the reason is reading Euclid's Elements of Geometry and understanding science and mathematics as a literary (in the broad sense) genre and part of continuum that includes philosophy and art
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Homer and the tragedians are the foundation of literature. Philosophy also informs literature if that's what it trying to avoid reading. At least read Homer and the tragedians. You'll be more interested in philosophy the more you read I think and will come back to them if you skip ahead
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>>25062958
Useless perception post. No substance. Disregard, OP.
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>>25062947
Eurcidophocles' Phyvagenia and The Hydra.
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>>25063236
Honestly, I should also add The Bible to this, if we're talking foundations to literature, and no, I don't believe in God. Purely literary The Bible is arguably the most important book to read.
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>>25062885

Personally I think unless you want to see literature as a whole reduced to the same story being told over and over again in different permutations, you can go ahead and skip the Greeks. Once you read the Greeks and Shakespeare you'll start doing the literary equivalent of "Is that a JoJo reference?" for every book you read.
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Here's something very understated about reading ancient Greek literature. They are just good stories too.
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>>25062947
I think Aristophanes wrote a few things about Dick...
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>>25063284
The Greeks explore the human soul and provided broad plot and character-driven frameworks though while biblical references in later lit are usually just names or numerology or some shit.
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>>25062885
Philosophy is one thing, but it's not necessary to start with the Greeks as far as storytelling goes. They're writings are mostly mythic and that style isn't relevant for modern readers. You can read the same story retold 1000 times over with modern sensibilities considered.
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>>25062885
In France we give French and Greek literature to high schoolers, I was forced to read and analyse the Odyssey even tho I'm a fucking math major.. but I remember it was my favourite books at the time. It's a cool epic story with a very basic structure. Anons here will parrot "start with the Greeks" all day long but if you read it you'll see it's nothing more than a simple, well structured story, you absolutely don't need to read the odyssey to understand the The Brothers Karamazov. For philosophy (another fucking class I was forced to take even tho I was majoring maths), it's a different beast, just like mathematics you need the basic concepts to understand what follows, and since they all add a layer of "reflexion" on top of each other and often criticize each other, you need to start by the basics yes.
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>>25063718
Modern mathematics is a project that started with Socrates more than Pythagoras
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>>25062885
Western literature begins with them, they've been the paragon for the majority of Western literature after them, and they're the peak of literature.
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>>25063718
>it's nothing more than a simple, well structured story
That's a really stupid thing to say anon. It's some of the most sublime and perfect poetry ever written and you absolutely need to read it in Greek to have a proper gauge for understanding Western poetry. But even the story and characters are portrayed with such a universal human significance that almost no later 'simple, well structured story' can compete with it. When people say 'start with the Greeks', they mean properly study the Greeks, not just read it for light entertainment.
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Only actual reason is because christcuck philosophy of middle ages and modern period knew nothing earlier than Greek thought.
As such it is only the start because of that.
So if you aren't a christcuck you have no reason to start with Greeks.
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>>25062885
thicc
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>>25064018
What a retarded thing to say.
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I'll level with you guys, I don't really like the Greek tragedies, and as a whole I've soured on the Greeks because of them.
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>>25062885
>start with the Greeks
But where specifically?
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>>25064521
homer
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>Lust-provoking image
>Irrelevant, time-wasting question
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>>25062885
>start with the Greeks
This is for philosophy, man '-')
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>>25064525
But what next?
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>>25064564
Aeschylus, Sophocles, and then Euripides.
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>>25064564
hesiod
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>>25064559
No it's not. Literature as well with Homer and the tragedians. Also philosophy informs literature.
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Because the greeks are the peak of humanity. Even today, every other race is inferior.
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>>25064572
>Also philosophy informs literature.
Ancient egyptians inform at greeks. Start with the niggas egyptians better
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>>25064576
>Because the greeks are the peak of humanity. Even today, every other race is inferior.
Those are chinese, man
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>>25064595
Ah yes, the bacteria people.
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>>25064592
You want this to be true so bad lol
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>>25062885
*They* don't want you reading the classics because the classics obliterate the narrative.
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>>25062885
All of western thought is influenced by the Greeks. You just don't realize it.
Even the OT/NT are influenced by it.
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>>25064790
However, it is
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>>25064788
Chinese are superior
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>>25065087
>the Greeks
And greeks by the ancient egyptians. Start with them
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>>25065087
>Even the OT/NT are influenced by it.
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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>>25065225
No they weren't.

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