How do I write comedy like Konsuba. What does that look like in written form without the visual gags?

>>25064231
Wouldn't it be easier to just give the LN a try?

>>25064231
chrysalis

>>25064234
I already have too many things I'm reading right now

>>25064240
I doubt that.

>>25064231
>how do I write unfunny meme garbage
Easy, just have no sense of humor and enjoy smelling your own farts

Beware of chicken is an "I'm actually a cultivation big shot clone"

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>>25063107
by original language

>Chinese
Nightfall
The Grandmaster Strategist
The Experimental Log of the Crazy Lich

>JP
Sevens
Faraway Paladin
Kenkyo Kenjitsu

>Korean
Regressor Instruction Manual
Dungeon Defense
Infinite Regressor

I haven't read enough western webnovel but the entry level ones I read (mother of learning,worms, shadow slave) are all fun and entertaining. though still below eastern webnovels on the overall tier list for me.

>>25064223
spacebattles, sufficient velocity or the sietch?

>>25064285
>The Grandmaster Strategist
based

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How can you tell if a story was written using AI, whether completely or only as an assistant? I've noticed ChatGPT uses way too many em dashes, one every 2 or 3 sentences in average, usually where a simple comma or semicolon would make more sense. I think it believes that em dashes add suspense to the narrative, that they increase expectation in the reader----as they're a somewhat long punctuation mark that frequently leads to a highly anticipated revelation.

I've also noticed it religiously adheres to stereotypes based on archetypes like this, but that isn't really news since everyone already know AI isn't creative and just copies whatever it thinks it's popular.

Raled gave Lemrug a discomfiting look: "This time, you have gone too far.”
“Aww. Don’t be like that, comrade. It was a fish, nothing more.”
“Let me put this in terms you might understand. I spend my meager earnings on sustenance, while you whore yours away. And yet you come here to deprive me of my delight. Where is the justice in that?”
“A fish! A goddam fish! You have to move past it.”
“And I will once you repay me.”
“Oh? Will I now?” Lemrug made a defiant stance.
In truth, the dirtbag had no coin with him; that was almost certain. But he did have something of worth.
“Your sword, hand it over.”
“You really think I—” before Lemrug could finish the sentence, Raled’s sword rubbed against Lemrug’s fat neck. “You can’t take my sword.”
“Why?”
As if he had any use for it. Raled had never come across a swordman as hopeless as Lemrug. Every piece of equipment was wasted on him. And if the garrison had any self-respect, people like Lemrug would be kept far away from its ranks.
“Because I don’t have it. I pawned it months ago.”

>>25064326
Why do keep posting this?

>>25064330
I haven't posted that part before.

>some guy starts larping in the comments, posting his thoughts on the chapters in mile-long essays while acting a role
>pretty funny stuff
>next day, he's deleted everything
why? If you're gonna sperg out, then commit to it

>>25064312
Kino-Anon here.
I've used — instead of ; and : because an anon in /wg/ told me to do so.

>>25064231
Read the LN, at least the first volume. I prefer the fan-translation, since the official one lost so many quirks by forcing localization.

>>25064289
Spacebattles has a lot of people, Sufficient is second, what the heck is sietch?
>didn't appear in google search
Interesting.

>>25064312
everything's written by AI now unless proven otherwise

>>25064399
https://www.the-sietch.com/index.php

>>25064424
>php

>>25064441
problem?

>>25064108
>Ugh, fuck me. I carved out over a million words, built up a respectable following, and then fucking squandered it. I went from posting daily to maybe twice or thrice a week for a year, and then full on hiatus for another year (or coming up on a year next week).
I know this feeling completely. The hardest thing is to keep grinding it out once you have a semi-successful story. It's fine for the first month, two months, year, maybe two years, but after a while it just gets harder and harder to keep up.
Hope you get through this.

>>25064510
After a bunch of talk with people of good character and authority on the matter I decided to go with a partial rewrite and relaunch.

>>25064424
>php

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I'm trying to write an isekai, where a character winds up in a game world. I was going to start it the classic way, introducing the protagonist and the basics of the game before an accidental death, but only get this nagging feeling that nobody cares, I'm just losing the zoomers straight in chapter 1 by TELLING, NOT SHOWING and I should do it like FunkyTune and start straight in the other world and explain shit. But the game isn't a MMORPG and I know the setting will just confuse readers if they don't know anything beforehand, or assume wrong. Fuck, why am I trying to be original again? It never works out.

>>25064538
>but only get this nagging feeling that nobody cares
Because you're right. Nobody cares about the mechanics until they're invested in the story.
>I'm just losing the zoomers straight in chapter 1 by TELLING, NOT SHOWING
It's not because of "show, don't tell". It's because we don't care about your carefully crafted game world until you give us a reason to care. Get me invested in the character, show me what the world is like through his eyes and then I'll start caring about it.

>>25064538
>But the game isn't a MMORPG
What genre is the game does it really matter if it's not a MMORPG?
half these zoomers have never played one or only played wow so it's not like they get MMORPGS either.
All you need to do is kill your protagonist however you want and give him a reason to monologue about how the world works,

>>25064544
>show me what the world is like through his eyes
Well, that's what it's about

>>25064544
Do you prefer first person to third person?

>>25064545
It's supposed to be a narrative-driven live service/gacha game like FGO.
>give him a reason to monologue about how the world works
I'm trying hard to avoid monologuing. But I also want to establish the MC isn't another autistic gamer, but has a different type of connection and perspective to the game world.

>>25064538
I will read your novel as long as there is no harem/sex/romance/teenage drama

>>25064573
This. RR readers are right. Enough authors simply cannot write it well that I just avoid it now.
The stigma is warranted.

>>25064573
Yeah, not doing any of that

>>25064556
I'd argue people are more familiar with live service and gacha than MMORPGs these days.
You could have him spawn in the woods, panic and get jumped by some goblins.
Then have him get saved by someone else and have them explain it to him.
it depends how you're doing your game mechanics, is something everyone can do/is born with or something a system grants the MC?

>>25064544
>It's not because of "show, don't tell". It's because we don't care about your carefully crafted game world until you give us a reason to care. Get me invested in the character, show me what the world is like through his eyes and then I'll start caring about it.
That's what "show, don't tell" mean though.

>>25064606
>You could have him spawn in the woods, panic and get jumped by some goblins.
This here is the problem. Readers will no doubt be expecting the forest and goblins and will get confused when I'm not doing any of that crap. I really will have to tell what kind of game it is before anything can begin.

>>25064584
Great. Post link, I might even subscribe.

>>25064622
I'm not sure I really get the problem, is it that your protagonist is not an active combatant in the game or your setting isn't medieval fantasy based.

>>25064622
>I really will have to tell what kind of game it is before anything can begin.
You're probably overestimating how much info dumping is needed for this. I see no reason you can't do this in a few well placed sentences, or at most a paragraph or two. And then introduce elements organically as they become relevant.

>>25064650
>I'm not sure I really get the problem
I've explained it like three times now.

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Found some great fantasy slop on RR that seems to be flying under the radar because it's not a litrpg. Seems to be inspired mainly by Glen Cook and Ericsson. Definitely binge worthy.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/46739/touch-o-luck-the-old-realms

>>25064538
What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25064698
>flying under the radar because
the author wanted to be Gene Wolfe instead of MagicMelody

>>25064108
If you've already got a million words just keep writing, forget the early stuff. Maybe do a revision for an amazon launch but otherwise just handwave and lampshade your way to where you want the story to go. At the very least give the story a conclusion, if nothing else. Rocks fall and everyone dies so people can close out the story in their mind.

>>25064698
back to sffg with you

>>25064758
Destroy the spammer taking their name in vain.

>>25064758
What does this line even mean? Like what's the implied joke. And is it just one guy spamming it? I see it so much

Stepped on a Lego: My New Life as a Max Level ARGHmage

>step on a lego
>pain is so intense space and time tear and you fall through a portal
Unironically a great opening, free for the taking.

>>25064698
Impressive to use AI and get a cover that looks like a dogshit bargain bin book with a photo model.

>>25064871
4/10 cover I would rate it.

Not everyone can be blessed with a cover like FFF-CLASS UNLUCKY ANTAGONIST

>>25064879
Kinoman does do pretty good covers. It's a shame about the writing part of it.

>>25064879
The dragon guy from last thread had a pretty good one too. Imagine getting outdone by a bunch of nobodies on an Armenian aardvark appreciation forum.

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A good cover should convey the content and tone of the book to a viewer at a glance, while also legibly displaying the title from a distance and the author's name (not necessarily from a distance).

A viewer of this cover knows instantly if this is something they're interested in or not.

>>25064698
This cover has poor layout and typography: the title covers part of the man's face and there's plenty of dead space above his head. He could be transposed up the image and the title's typography widened to make it more legible AND not obscure the face. The overall tone of yellow and white isn't bad, but the coloring of the title is suboptimal, even with the black border around the lettering. A darker color would stand out more and improve legibility. Compare to this cover: an overall palette of off-whites, browns, and golds, but the typography is a brighter white that pops against the image. There's also a dash of blue in the apron that contrasts well with the white blouse. And of course the typography doesn't cover anything important, and likely hides some AIhands under the title.

>>25064900
that archmage baking cover is bad in my book maybe a 5

>>25064911
that might be a good thing given this thread's tastes

>>25064915
my issue is that the human figure is too small on it mainly otherwise it would get a 7 I think

5 means no plus or minus, it does likely gain if it was larger? but more dominant cover would be then too

I mean it is far above mine in rising stars so who am I to complain or judge

>>25064921
To be fair, it has the Archmage Bonus™.

>>25064900
For AI slop, the image is really good, but the font choice and typesetting is dogshit, as usual

>>25064921
>I mean it is far above mine in rising stars so who am I to complain or judge
It's also leaning extremely hard into current trends so it's not entirely that the cover is perfect. You make a good point about the size of the human figure: the face is illegible at thumbnail size.

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>>25064834
See pic related

>>25064933
I plan a spin off and am choosing what genre to do right now

the three main genres on RR are

frieren like [archmage]
primordial hunter likes [hunter/huntress]
solo leveling [vr+game character+assassin]

subgenres are az healer likes, <3 large chests likes, overlords likes
the ones I figured out as categories so far

tend to do a fake hunter right now but the battle healer might lend itself better

>>25064911
I rate the speedster cover a 9/10
it is the best out of the entire RS line up, dynamism, human face, action, meta contrast to everybody else

I Awakened A System
gets the second best I think probably an 8/10 for maximum human face space

Your Very Own (Pokemon OC)/The E.L.F. Project both get 7/10 for eros (no matter how appropriate it is or not for the pokemon thing to do that with a young character)

>>25064964
Just do xianxia with a murderhobo protag. All that fireren shit is just lame af(it was never cool in the first place, just some roastie led fantasy lol), nobody wants it.

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>>25064971
here the things in question, some subjective judgement by me to put the covers in order
>>25064973
I tried xianxia they did not bite. They did when I designed to market.

Hunter or Healer is my idea so far because I can't into slice of life OP writing somehow.

>>25064964
>solo leveling
I only watched the anime, if you base your story on events of the 1st season (and maybe the firsf half of the 2nd season) then that's fine but later on he simped out. You obviously don't want that.

>>25064993
I'm not thirteen so I got some antipathy to this type of character. Stretching the definition of hunter is my current idea
not a skyrim stealth archer but another cheat build.

>>25064884
Cope! It's good, and you ought to read it.

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>>25064659
And he still hasn't gotten it.

>>25065008
Consider creating a character from earth isekaid or reincarnated to another world with full memories of past life, by having full mental capacity at young age and various knowledge from earth his magic ability also increased exponentially.

>>25065018
Why not just call it a visual novel? There's a whole subgenre of people being isekai'd into visual novels or otome games as the villain.

>>25065030
I'm restricted by the tie in, so the only thing I really can chose is the profession.

>>25065030
Is always making the shittiest possible suggestions some kind of not so subtle sabotage you're trying to do or are you genuinely this stupid?

>>25065068
Anon you're getting trolled.

>>25065030
im watching two animes like that this season, it's just works
both come from web novels.

>>25064947
>Characters spend the entire novel trying to figure out a question
>The answer is obvious
This is how you write a good twist, knowing spectral soul is a cultivator is enough to know the answer, but you ponder it anyway and make it more complicated than it needs be.
I kowtow to the author, he knows the dao of suspense.

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>>25065030
Because that's never been done before?

>>25065089
Which ones?

>>25065030
>MC is a William Luther Pierce level autist
>gets isekai’d to a fantasy world
>as soon as he is seen as an adult he manages to divide the human race through his racial theories and rhetoric
>the hammer of 21st century thinking smashing down upon the 2nd century mind
>gives the proper praxis to articulate age old hatreds
>entire world gets swallowed up by a giant race war
>MC dies without regrets, having received a prophecy from his newly created White God that the White race shall reign supreme

>>25065104
It's a formula that works.

>>25065111
>Noble Reincarnation: Born Blessed, So I’ll Obtain Ultimate Power
>Easygoing Territory Defense by the Optimistic Lord
Both isekai'd from earth, memories of past life, full mental capacity, very strong magic.
it makes sense I mean how else do you give a child character agency.

>>25065124
>a formula that works
Erm, we don't do that here. We write niche and unpopular stories and bemoan our lack of success.

>>25065125
Are they any good?

what so you call that pre-ai prose style that entirely consists of “punchy” three word sentences and sentence fragments, and was so prominent that most ai writing was trained on it?

>>25065136
Millennial ebin blog snark

>>25065136
women’s romance novels

>>25065135
I'd say they were pretty average. how much you get out of it depends on how much you enjoy the slop hook.
They're incredibly formulaic so you either get something you'll enjoy or roll your eyes becasue you've seen it before.

>>25065136
There's not name for it but it took over the internet pre-ai because it was made for marketing and all the blogs, social media influencers, article authors and corpo mouthpieces used it.
I'd call it Linkedin or Huffpost speech.

>>25064361
>I've used — instead of ; and : because an anon in /wg/ told me to do so.
they think it adds pretension. A gold leaf of high brow. A sort of well practiced insouciance. Use it for what it was intended for. If someone is talking and you interrupt them to begin talking over them? The person talking stops mid sentence and---

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Now I'm curious.
Can anyone who has read my book describe my writing with a formal name?

>>25064658
This.
1. character dies. Do that in third person. No explanations why. Just describe it with clinical detachment. The death ends intro chapter.
2. they wake up in the game world. handle it how you want. Try not to info dump yet. First person and from here on out.
There's your outline for first two chapters.

>>25065223
I kist use either two hyphens or three hyphens for how long I want the pause to be
Commas can denote a pause but if you use a comma for a pause you get fags who call your grammar wrong.

>>25065136
formal definition: dogshit

>misuse of commas
Dropped.

>>25065232
quirky or campy

>>25065101
It's a masterpiece, it's so good that it cannot even be imitated, anyone that attempts it, fails miserably. RI is in a league of its own.

>>25065232
trannistic

>>25065268
>prescriptivism
>in my /wng/©®™?
The grammarians cannot be escaped. There is no misuse. It's simply that you disagree with their use.

>>25065261
in dialogue, a comma is a short pause and a period is along pause. It need not obey strict grammar rules governing their use. Its so you hear it the way its meant to be heard. the --- is being cut off before you finish. These things outside of dialogue in prose have formal definitions or at least common conventions being obeyed or not obeyed according to rules or practices being followed. but here in winnie land we're not satisfying an english teacher or an in house editor. whatever is common practice on both counts is fine. flow and tone is more important than adherence to rules. If it reads good it is good.

>>25065277
>Campy
>Campy writing is a theatrical, exaggerated style that intentionally embraces artifice, irony, and absurdity to create a "so bad it's good" charm. It subverts traditional, serious, or high-brow taste by focusing on flamboyant, over-the-top, or kitschy elements. Often used in genre fiction like horror or sci-fi, it aims for fun, satire, and the surreal
Fair.

>>25065302
>in dialogue, a comma is a short pause and a period is along pause.
This isn't true at all

>>25065252
>1. character dies. Do that in third person. No explanations why.
Don't write about things that don't add anything to the story for no reason. If you're going to include the death part, it has to include something necessary to understanding the story and/or the character. Otherwise, cut it.

>2. they wake up in the game world
Do not ever, ever, ever start a story with a character waking up. Else, commit quick suicide.

Tel me nawt how tu ryte: i am da riter∆ sum may say [why are you doing this°] tu wich i say~§§§§§"""////)))>£¢€^•√

>>25065337
>Do not ever, ever, ever start a story with a character waking up.
MLA does this and is infinitely more popular than anything you will ever write

>insisting on the destruction of language
0.5 star rating and review

>>25065349
I bet you use singular 'they'.

>>25065337
Chrono Trigger starts with waking up.

Xe said that xir friends weren't here yet. Where could xey be? Xe had messaged xem yesterday.

>>25065356
>mfw you beat the game and it the end opens with the same waking up sequence
LUDO

>>25065346
>MLA does this
So do 99,999,999 other pieces of trash that didn't hit jackpot

>>25065352
I don't, actually. If 'he or she' is too clunky, I'll just have the character default to their own sex, and if it's the narrator to 'he.' Do not take me for some writer of poor grammar.

>>25065382
b-based

>>25065373
that's true for every imaginable story element because 99.999% of stuff fails
if multiple extremely popular stories start with the character waking up, why are you framing it like a "you MUST NOT do this"? stop regurgitating buzzfeed advice

>>25065424
The issue with it is that it's cliche from overuse. A writer can start his own story however he likes; but he can't complain when people complain that he's overusing cliches and drop before he even gets to the hook.

Does it really matter? The average reader doesn't read much at all. They don't know anything anyway. Being derivative as possible can even help. Avoiding cliches is bad advice. The readers want familiar after all. Same but different is a great way to success.

>>25065252
>This.
>1. character dies. Do that in third person. No explanations why. Just describe it with clinical detachment. The death ends intro chapter.
Good advice

>2. they wake up in the game world. handle it how you want. Try not to info dump yet.
So far, so good

First person and from here on out.
WHAT THE FUCK!? WHAT KIND OF RETARDED PIECE OF ADVICE IS THIS? FUCK OFF!!!

>>25065337
>Do not ever, ever, ever start a story with a character waking up. Else, commit quick suicide.
Yeah, start with that. Starting with some retarded 'goddess' dumb speech about why mc got isekaid (she proceeds to give the most idiotic reasons and explanation) is the best way to completely ruin the story.

>>25065468
>Starting with some retarded 'goddess' dumb speech about why mc got isekaid
I'm not sure how many times I've immediately dropped a story in chapter one because of this reason, but I'm sure it's more than I have the amount of fingers I have in one hand

>>25065452
cliches are the lifeblood of web novels...

>>25065460
Are you writing for the average reader, or the market on Royal Road (or other webnovel sites) where the people looking for new fiction are reading a LOT of new fictions? Do what you like but don't complain if people don't like it.

People desperately need to stop conflating "I don't like" with "You shouldn't"

>>25065487
I think youre right for writing a major smash hit, those tend to have lots of new stuff and ideas going for them
The vast majority of the medium successes are extremely derivative, though.
Mostly, readers want more of the same. Why do you think they'll read a 5 million word fiction to begin with?

>>25065468
>WHAT THE FUCK!? WHAT KIND OF RETARDED PIECE OF ADVICE IS THIS? FUCK OFF!!!
kek I love this thread.

>>25065502
Nobody is doing that except you. If you disagree with writing advice presented feel free to share counter-examples where someone broke the rules and it worked. This literally just happened with MLA and starting with the protag waking up.

>>25065322
>This isn't true at all
actually, it is. Human beings do not speak in prose. They take little and longer pauses. If your characters speak in perfect grammar? That's just weird and uncanny valley. Unless it befits the character. What you're saying is true as a rule in non fiction or technical writing. It doesn't apply to fiction and it damn sure doesn't apply to winnies. wen novels already have a page full of one sentence paragraphs, anon. This isn't english class.

>>25065611
Characters do speak in perfect grammar and it does apply to fiction.

how to write a good web novel
>pay off
>cliff hanger
thats it

>>25065666
>pay off
>one of the hardest aspects of writing that even professional authors fail at

>>25065677
they struggle with the setup, but no one expects setup from a web novel.

>>25065631
>Characters do speak in perfect grammar and it does apply to fiction.
a cop stops to conduct an interview with a witness on the street that saw it happen. a literal crackhead. Yes, of course, how silly of me. That crackhead would speak (dialogue) in perfect english. what the fuck was I thinking. you're not even trying anymore. the fuq out of here with that nonsense.

>>25065695
you can't have payoff without setup lol. that's what makes it payoff and not just random events happening, by literal definition

>>25065666
Really just write a lit rpg isekai. That's it. That's the golden ticket. Do anything else and it's climbing a sleek metal wall.

I have an idea for a story, a guy is trapped in a time loop trying to escape a secret organization of assassins and err he's lost his memory.
what do you guys think

>>25065720
>you can't have payoff without setup lol.
I'm a level 9million archmage.

>>25065703
>That crackhead would speak (dialogue) in perfect english. what the fuck was I thinking. you're not even trying anymore. the fuq out of here with that nonsense.
You got stopped and searched by the police? It's ok, anon, happens to the best of us.

>>25065760
I'm pretty sure his incoherent rambling and erratic behavior had nothing to do with it.

>>25065757
that's called a fun premise, it's not payoff
the term pay off literally means paying off the set up. this is a catastrophically embarrassing argument you're making. bleak

If any of you like to make rom-coms or psycological horror, there's a new Honeyfeed contest you can participate in.
https://mhwc.myanimelist.net/202602/
I'd have gone for the horror myself, but I'm more interested in Resident Evil type body horror mixed and general monsters than just spooky atmospheres.

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>>25065821
this is cool but horror entries seem to come with a lot of caveats, not a surprise seeing as who is sponsoring the competition but still a lot of red tape.

>>25065827
Yeah, that's what I mean. Can't even have a guy in the midst of mutating shoot himself and fail anyway.

how does the RR market do with merciless, uncompassionate MCs?

>>25065842
They love them but you have to signal it first.

>>25064312
AI is evolving so rapidly the tell tale signs that existed a year ago may no longer be the same as today.

The number one tell for me is not in the text at all, it's the quantity of text. People who use AI are spitting out an ungodly amount of content in an inhuman amount of time. AI sloppers will release 5 fully animated youtube videos every single day, if not more. AI sloppers who started making hentai a year ago will have 4,000+ digital drawings, and they'll release 10-15 high quality images a day. If someone is releasing several books at once, churning out hundreds of pages a month, I think it's safe to say they're AI slopping.

People will say em dashes and shit but that doesnt actually proves anything. In fact, I would say a lack of em dashes is the tell now, because everyone using AI knows about the em dash tell and will either tell AI "dont use em dashes" or they'll delete them later. The other day I spotted an obvious AI post on /lit/ with zero em dashes. It was obvious because it broke down its analysis into bullet points in a very sussinct way.

>>25065842
They start having melties.

>>25065677
They fail at payoffs because they don't try to write payoffs. Instead the authors immediately invalidate the payoff.

They do this because they're taught to structure stories as a series of
>MC gets what he wants, BUT...
The only time they let a payoff stand is when the story ends.

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>>25065821
Hahaha. The rules for horror are an absolute shit show.
>Your horror story can be violent but not too violent, and it can have swears but not too many swears, and we dont want to have torture or anything...
Fuck me. If you dont want weidos sending you torture porn then dont request horror submissions. Christ.

Anyway, I wouldnt submit to this because I dont want to lock my hard work up in a fucking application.

>>25064312
If it's well written it's by AI.

>>25065865
>they're taught to structure stories as a series of
>The only time they let a payoff stand is when the story ends.
You people really need to go back to /wg/ or /sffg/. This is just so obviously not true for the web novel scene. MCs always win and usually win without a drawback. They beat up the bad guy and steal his girl too, then everyone talks about how amazing he is afterward
This isn't tradpub. GO THE FUCK AWAY. you clearly don't read web novels

>>25065906
Dungeon Crawler Carl and He Who Fights With Monsters both have this type of writing. You're right that it's not common in tradpub, but it's not uncommon in western WNs either. Only Chinese cultivation stories seem to be good at this.

>>25065919
Disagree about DCC

>>25065919
DCC doesn't count for any discussion on what web novels do because it literally didn't do well as a web novel. it only blew up after going trad
I only read around a book of HWFWM but there was no walking back of his wins or half-victories, he won and everyone glazed him the whole time
I'm sure there are some exceptions but I responded to an anon who gave a sweeping statement that say when most definitely, undeniably don't, and in fact the exact opposite is the standard. even worse, it's advice/structure that's bandied around in tradpub spaces so he's obviously a tourist or refuge

>>25065922
DCC absolutely has that kind of "yes BUT" writing. Everything is a long drawn out "oh fug we're fugged now princess" and then "keikaku doori that mechanic that wasn't explained well? I found a loophole, we win" and then the win gets yanked away so hard it's like lucy and the football. It's the same pattern to the point it's almost misery porn despite trying to be a comedy.

>>25065923
nta but HWFWM was plot/character driven. there are a few others. mother of learning maybe? they're not THAT rare-- btw i wasnt really following the convo, but this is usually THE distinction so i dove in

>>25065967
yeah that has nothing to do with the topic

>>25065965
I thought you were talking about the opposite--a series of effortless and unqualified victories. Why would you say that the "yes but" style is not common in tradpub?

>>25065974
You've misunderstood.
A argued that "yes but" writing is tradpub and doesn't exist in WN
B argued the opposite pointing out "yes but" exists in DCC and HWFWM
C disagreed with B about DCC
D (me) disagreed with C about DCC and explained>>25065974

>Why would you say that the "yes but" style is not common in tradpub?
The exact opposite of that was the original complaint: that western writing is lousy with "yes but" screenwriting style plotting (left unsaid was that it's because of creative writing courses and a general illiteracy and unfamiliarity with the classics).

>>25065919
>Only Chinese cultivation stories seem to be good at this.
They've refined it to an artform.

>>25065984
>the original complaint
the original complaint doesnt belong in the web novel thread, its about tradpub

Hey guys just got off work.
Man doesn't it suck that ALL OF WESTERN WRITING seems to have this pattern of "yes but" storytelling? I see it in tradpub, webnovels, even in screenwriting, all western!
It's like everyone took the same creative writing courses and nobody's familiar with other plot structures, likely because they haven't read let alone studied the classics.
A lot of webnovels do this and it's annoying; at least when I read japanese WN/LN the MC gets an unqualified win and gets to enjoy it periodically before the next problem arises.

faggot

we hate tension

>>25065984
You seem retarded

a web novel is a novel on the web. I can write anything I want as a web novel. Your autistic ramblings will not stop me.

>>25065999
I agree and think this post highlights real problem in western story telling, a lot of people like to cite the problems in western story telling a "woke" or certain foibles in morality however I believe the problem lays in rigid structures literature is taught at an academic level that inadvertently poisons authors.
This poisoning would be fine is trad publishing wasn't what it is today.
So people then take these ideas to web novels and fail, The Japanese WN/LN understand they're not Haruki Murakami, can you say the same for western authors who think they're Tolkien? I think not.

nobody gives a shit if you write off meta retard, the issue is when you come in and say dumb obviously wrong shit about how the web novel scene works or looks like

>be on 4chan, refuge of the contrary and heterodox, who resist the popular ways and sneer at established standards, whatever they may be
>GUYS WHY AREN'T YOU DOING WEBNOVELS THE WAY I'M TELLING YOU TO!? THIS IS THE RIGHT AND PROPER WAY. FOLLOW THE ONE TRUTH PATH! EVERYONE I SAY IS OBJECTIVELY CORRECT AND EVIDENCE BASED. WHY DO YOU INSIST ON BEING FOOLS?
>The 4channer was deaf to his pleas. Even if all he said was true, it mattered not. For he determined his own path. There could be no other way. Let others fall to conformity. He was a original. Success meant nothing unless it was achieved on his own terms.

So, really, who is the tourist here?

>>25064698
>Maybe all the negative replies are just cribity crabs
>Female lead
>Ruling class
>Multiple pov
Hard pass

For the sake of readers, tropes, cliches, trends, Ai, I can make use of all of them, and I can also discard them as easily!
For readers, writers block cannot stop me, innovation and copycats cannot stop me, even heaven and earth cannot stop me!

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>went on hiatus
>came back with a rewrite
>got to the same point in the story
>WENT ON HIATUS AGAIN
I can't stop laughing.

Rewrites result from a combination of sunk cost fallacy, a delusional belief that they're much better now, and a refusal to accept it's slop.

>>25066054
nobody is telling you what to do, retard. nobody is telling you what to think
reread very slowly:
>the issue is when you come in and say dumb obviously wrong shit about how the web novel scene works or looks like
try very hard not to misunderstand and go on an unrelated rant, this time

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>>25065883
>If it's well written it's by AI.

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>>25065827
>Horror
>But don't put anything in that could disturb people

>>25066104
INT was his dump stat

>>25065821
>rom-coms or psycological horror
Why do they always ask for the most retarded-ass genres?

Oh no, Weary Archmage author nuked both the old version and the relaunch...One man's commitment to avoiding personal effort while seeking success became his undoing...Many such cases!

>>25066292
Most stories fail, we all already knew that.

>>25066299
You know nothing, jimmy

>>25066104
Sounds to me like he doesn't know how to go forward with the plot.

>>25066104
he came, he got his moment of wisdom where he realized there wasn't really anything to the story, and decided oh well

>>25066104
Looking at the cover I immediately know the story is shit (rewrite or not)

>>25066454
It basically wanted to be Everybody Loves Large Chests in a post-ELLC world (that is to say on a RR that would not allow ELLC to exist without the grandfathering)

thoughts on multiple chapters using the same name?
>Circle I
>Circle II
>Arrowhead I
>Arrowhead II
>Arrowhead III
>Disagreement I
etc

>>25066467
why did RR become so pozed?

>>25066477
It's common to all serialized works, prose or not. Other than that I'm indifferent..

>>25066478
One of the few cases where I would argue that it didn't, and was legitimately forced to tighten rules on paper by advertisers. The site moderators will readily advise you on what they can technically permit and help you skirt the edges of the rules, and from seeing some people involved with the site speak on the matter, I got the impression they don't like censorship either.

>>25066487
Censoring for profit is no better.

>>25066477
Lazy, undescriptive, meaningless. The title is practically free ad space and you just wipe your ass with it

>>25066497
They are a business, not a charity.

>>25066487
>I got the impression they don't like censorship either.
Well, you got that wrong. They've been repeatedly and publicly saying they don't want to see the site turn into an erotica hub. There is no fucking "censorship," sex isn't even prohibited. They just want to prioritize fantasy/adventure, and for all ages, not just coomers.

Azarinth Healer book 6 out on z-lib

>>25066500
They shouldn't be either.

>>25066510
is it heterosexual and based

>>25066504
Almost every site has strong censorship and prohibitions, including the one we're on right now.

>>25066516
The name you're looking for is "terms of service"

>>25066504
This is one specific type of censorship and I think it's fair. A novel that HAS SEX IN IT won't have issues even with the current rules. Seriously, think about the amount of smut you would have to write to make up 10% of it. I genuinely considered trying to hit that goal. But I can't.

Think in webserial length terms. Anything that isn't outright smut won't even come close to meeting that criterium. Even fanfics I've read that advertised being smutfics didn't meet that criterium.

Regardless, there is a difference between "sex appeal" and "smut." It bewilders me that the ability to perceive any sort of gradient between these two things has been lost among so many westerners.

I say all this with the caveat that I believe censorship is bad, but at the same time, you go to webnovel and you tell me you want the meta to be Futa Demoness Breeding System.

Something I've noticed in China is that many genres can be popular and successful in the world of web fiction: romance, police procedurals, medical dramas, women scheming against each other (could be concubines in the imperial harem or cutthroat corporate executives in the workplace), business management, rags to riches, etc. Some become wildly popular and get C-drama adaptations; my friend was telling me about watching a tearjerker adapted from a web novel where a female journalist goes to some fictional war-torn country with a bunch of other volunteers and her eventual boyfriend keeps getting tortured by terrorists.

On the other hand, most if not all successful web fiction in The West seems to be litrpg/progfan etc. Even relatively marketable ideas don't seem to gel with web fic readers over here, let alone some hard sell miseryporn like I just mentioned.

What are /wng/'s thoughts on this? I don't know about the Korean/Japanese markets so I'd be interested in hearing about those too

>>25066517
Yeah, that's "let me tell you what you're allowed to do", in other words, censorship. It's just like when I'm over at somebody's house and they say "Please don't use that language around my children." They're trying to censor me.

>>25066520
Blue boards shouldn't exist.

>>25066523
China is distorted in that everything has to be officially supported by the government to be traditionally published. Everything else has to be published online by the author as web fiction.

>>25066467
royal road had blue core lol

My favorite jewish transgender lawyer webnovel revealed another transgender lawyer character

>site that has near zero staff and only one of them does content moderation for stories and everything else is done by AI has difficulties with quality control and rule violations in general

>>25066545
pot found in kitchen

>>25066510
>Femc
No thanks

>>25066520
This. The novel that has sex in it won't be censored but a novel without sex (for example a strong male mc going on quest for immortality and rejecting all wordly desires) will immediately be labeled as incel, fascist, misogynistic etc and removed from the site completely.
This why rr is shit.

>>25066579
You had me until the retarded pivot into FangYuan-ism
I've read several novels that are basically this on RR not too long ago, stop being retarded

>>25066523
Chinese make several high quality (expensive) donghuas and that is partly due to government funding, so while I hate ccp for obvious reasons, the fact that they are pouring huge amounts of money into animation production make me hate them just slightly less (also at the same time japanese are releasing literal powerpoint tier animes because there is literally no money to make anime).

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>>25066523
There's just a lot of Chinese people
In League of Legends there's NA/EU/KR/LATAM servers etc. In China they had 29 regional servers with more players on each of them than the whole of NA.
They can write all kinds of shit and get an bigger audience than what one of us could expect to get on RR.

>>25066589
Post the links. I personally have not seen any novels on RR that had no romance/sex in them and focused solely on lead character and his goals and ambitions.

>>25066523
I think it's because of a difference in demographics. The CCP has put restrictions on video games and that combined with their competitive academic system and tiger parenting makes reading web fiction one of the few socially approved forms of entertainment for the youth. Whatever is popular with the youth of any culture quickly becomes the focus of the zeitgeist and soon becomes popular with everyone.

Compare that with the west where the readers are usually reading as a form of escapism/wish fulfilment which is why you'll see litrpg/progfan being popular amongst men and romance being popular amongst women. So you have to appeal to those fantasies otherwise you won't find readers.

>>25066610
Yes chinese stories are not about wishfullfillment. Can you chinese liars please stop being nationalist here. Wumao.

Quite literally nobody (not one) here knows what the fuck they're talking about or what's going on out there

>>25066662
Seems like a place you don't belong then.

>>25066666

>>25066610
You clearly know nothing about chinese entertainment.

>>25066523
English is a much more widely spoken language which means there's a higher volume of literary works released in it so english speakers need to be a lot more selective about what they're looking for unless they want to be completely overwhelmed by possible choices, which means they just stick to what they know for a fact they will enjoy.

>>25066745
that logic doesn't parse for me. high volume and availability should mean a wider variety of successful works, not the reverse

>>25066745
>English is a much more widely spoken language
ESLs don't necessarily read English books and EFLs usually don't read at all.

>>25066798
My comment section proves you wrong.

>>25066800
How so?

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How do you get into top 10 of trending with 1 follower lol?

>>25066842
you have strange filters on probably, not what my trending page looks like

>>25066852
Weird glitch, the list looks different after I refreshed. I don't use any filters. Maybe the admins were testing some shit

>>25066545
Bro I was saving that chapter for today, you've actually spoiled me I've been expecting this for some time, so it's not too bad but I'm hoping it's a third character and not the semi-grooming situation.

>>25066842
AI or retarded. Who the fuck dumps 112 chapters that fast otherwise?
>How do you get into top 10 of trending with 1 follower lol
Best performing entry in Portuguese probably.

>start a new story
>rewrite the first few chapters over and over
>it just doesn't feel fun, I can't get it right
>leave it for a while
>get back to it this week
>it's actually fucking fun
we're so back bros

>>25067111
Based, good job anon.
>know where I want the story to go
>not sure how to get there from the beginning where I focused most of my effort
>spend yesterday outlining but not quite there
>decide to sleep on it
>wake up
>finish the outline
>even write a chapter
We're all gonna make it.

If you feel insecure about your work, it helps to go read some of that absolutely insipid bilge that gets posted at RR and which still receives compliments