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Like the title says, why are you a fascist? I can't imagine why anyone would want to live in anything besides a liberal society. Which philosophers/fascistic figures convinced you? Are your reasons purely racial?
I'm currently reading The Iliad, and albeit there are certainly elements of the story which are relevant in this day and age, I can't wrap my head around why people genuinely believe we should live like Mycenaean Greeks, raiding our neighbors' farms and challenging each other to mutual combat for the sake of glory.
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>>25064432
not really fascist, more of a general reactionary. I guess its just because many of the wrong groups were given rights who unable to understand responsibilities, which it seems only men of European stock seem to understand. women, minorities, much less so because of their temperament towards the subjective, the sentimental, the fleeting. aside from rare cases such as in Soviet Russia, women were never used as cannon fodder for the enemy to shoot at yet complain about the pains of pregnancy, not a 6" staph wound infection from a sniper rifle, and they are never circumcised except in rare cases like Muslim shitholes. the difference between the pain of men and women is that women are allowed to say no. men are not allowed to say no to fight pointless wars or getting skin taken off their dicks, and I say, why not? if we believe in the noble lie of the equality of the sexes, why not make that stick? But at the end of the day, we are not equal, and that's why they don't die in wars or get circumcised.
For the question of minorities, its simply a case that civilizations which bear no genetic resemblance on the basis of race and religion will always find something to disagree over, and the best thing is for them to stay in one place and for us to stay in another. Rational debate is the domain of liberal societies and unfortunately some cultures aren't rational enough to engage in such activities, nor are they mature enough. Neither are women. Just like children. All three throw tantrums when they don't get their way and lose the debate. So the best idea is to remain apart, and keep the women around only because without them, our genes will not get passed down. And never give them the same standing men have because once they get power they are never satisfied with being equal but being better. And we can't have that.
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>>25064432
Liberalism works great after a fascist society makes the population mature enough to handle the responsibility of liberalism.
What you're saying about the Iliad is something else entirely, that's not fascism, it's a step or two above barbarianism or tribalism. You're describing the step after anarchism where groups of people have settled in a location, and now they're fighting neighboring tribes for resources, not conquest or land. That's so far removed from fascism lmao
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>>25064432
Long tradition of political fanatics being purged and dying en mass once their party finally gains power. If you believe one party has final and total authority to punish and rule, it's because you believe they can never be corrupted due to their ideology matching your own. In short, hubris, extreme emotion, hatred, opportunism, led to the purges after the Russian, Iranian, Cuban, Chinese, French, revolutions.
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>>25064432
i'm the total opposite a fascist politically, but surely wanting to transform the whole of society into a libidinally charged fantasy themepark is a desire that's extremely easy to understand. everyone becomes a character in a story that's fully meaningful and comprehensible to you; every space becomes a kind of ritualistic theatre/bdsm dungeon. there's no emptiness, no ambiguity, no contradiction, just everyone working together all the time to produce life as one big sexy spectacle. it's like asking a guy why he'd want to live in the Playboy Mansion. compare that to present conditions of life, where society is organised around obscure and meaningless flows of capital, and aesthetic/spiritual/libidinal meaning is something you're left to simulate yourself on your own screen or in your tiny apartment, small solitary yearnings that amount to nothing.
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>>25064432
Liberal capitalism is seven shades of shit worse than any other iteration of market economy. The people who constantly talk about muh fascism are by far the most credulous goyslop consuming coombrained and compliant fags on earth. They say if you don't want to import an entire village of ungabunga undulating jungle neegs then you're literally Hitler. At this point I'm openly declaring that given the choice between a psychotropic induced rainbow society full of chomosexual unnatural amoral apathetic liberals and a literal prison or death, I choose the latter every time. Epsteins are correct about the goyim being malleable hackable cattle that will accept whatever dystopian hellscape the market provides as long as they're told it's good for them. Give me the fucking fascists. Burn the banks and hang the shareholders. Destroy diversity. Give me an iron fisted tyrant over the most honest democracy, let alone the rigged bullshit democracy that exists in the liberal capitalist structure.
Tldr burn everything
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>>25064461
the Iliad is pretty far removed from barbarianism, I think you’re confusing LBA with an era that was ten thousands years prior. and they’re not raiding neighbouring tribes for resource, they’re mounting a ten-year, cross-Aegean expedition besieging one of the oldest, richest cities in the region for reasons of honour.
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>>25064557
nestor talks about how he proved his masculinity to his father by stealing cattle from a neighbor's land. raiding and piracy are normal activities. they are all illiterate. these are absolutely barbaric tribesmen, with fragmentary memories of more advanced pre-bronze-age-collapse civilizations mixed in.
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>>25064557
nta but I was pretty disgusted reading about the dudes fighting each other on chariots, then when they kill their opponent they hop off and strip them of their armor and weapons while the battle is still going on. I can understand the "whoa yeah gotta get my loot to show my strength that I defeated Testicles the Lesser and Flipadese, before someone else takes it", but there are people still fighting and dying and they're behaving like fucking ghouls despoiling the dead.
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>>25064574
raiding and piracy are normal in early aristocratic societies (elizabethan england).
and oral doesn’t equal primitive.
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>>25064432
Liberalism is the deranged delusion we can establish absolute universal laws for determining the management of humans and will always resolved into a technocratic state which degrades and harvests humans to support the elite class.
People in liberalism must always have their particular culture destroyed so that they can be adapted to the universal law and order of liberalism, and this is how it was brought about factually historically.
This is at odds with human nature which is fundamentally particular in local cultures and languages, I do not think primarily in terms of race I think in terms of the fundamental unit of organization of a polity is the family and it extends out from there. The family and it's extensions with it's environment, the other family and extended tribe around it is highly specific and not manageable from on high, however it is also required for the actual excellence and flourishing of humans.
Any political organization is only good to the extent it is directed at the goods of those particular units, and every higher level must be structured in a way to pay heed to their particular people under them.
Universal rule as pushed through liberalism is against all particularity, and rather than have personal hierarchy it's about the elimination of particularity so that everyone may be ruled in the same form, which is effectively so a select elite can dominate everyone and all of reality.
I am not a big fan of Fascism which is also a mass-scale project, however it is concerned about the national scale and forming an independent nation that does not need to participate in the world economy such that it can maintain it's particularity and culture. In practice it often acts contrary to that and serves to undermine the more local small scale organization that is the root of order in politics, however by restricting it's end to the good of the nation it still gives a far more adequate ability to direct things to the good of those lower scale units. The smaller scale of organization is better and liberalism is universal while fascim is particular, if still at a larger scale then I would like.
There is a separate more practical historical point though. That being it may just be the case now, that due to the global dominance of the financier and elite class the only way to actually maintain any particularity is through a militant fascist state of some sort. One of the key principles of fascism is autarky, that we need to be able to maintain our borders and economic development at a fairly large scale (greater germany) and that doing so is required to maintain the military force to hold our own against the universal/liberal elite seeking to destroy any particularity.
I think that is likely true though nukes may have made it easier as north korea points to.
Fascism is not my ideal but I think it may be a necessity and is far superior to the liberal universalism that destroys everything good and decent about humans.
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>>25064618
I notice I forgot to mention race so just on that, as you go from lower to higher forms of organization, a "race" is simply a larger collection of people that shares enough genetic and cultural stock to be able to organize harmoniously at scale.
A fundamental principle to me is rational action is determined by self interest, if something is not in your self interest in a sense you have no access to the rational possibility of something. An immigrant to a country with no share in the genetic and cultural stock is in principle not capable of acting for the good of the country.
This gets to the root of politics being in the particular good of individuals, families, and rising in the hierarchy. By being of the same genetic/racial/cultural stock your self interest is shared by a majority of the country and even the variations are also people you are familiar with so you can genuinely act with the interest of the country as a whole in mind in a way you simply do not have the capacity to as someone who does not participate in that.
It naturally follows anyone who is not an inheritor of that genetic and cultural stock should not have access to political or economic power or if they do it should be done with caution and the mind they are in principle not capable of acting for the good of the country organically like it's actual citizens.
My goal is not "racial purity" my goal is finding a way to organize a collection of people such that the particularity, goodness and individuality of all the individuals that make up this collection of people can be best expressed, and best expressed in harmony with the whole. This is the whole point of politics going back to the greeks. Racial coherence is simply a pre-requisite to actually having any even semi-harmonious organization at scale. Anyone who denies this just has no self awareness or understanding of how their being of a particular racial stock shapes their own habits, perceptions, preferences, or even ability to form and hold certain concepts.
The only actually existing good is that of the individual, and that individual good involves their particular home, culture, and history.
The liberal idea that we can establish rules is essentially attempting to set up a shallower version of man, dehumanized, discrete, measurable, turning everyone into that.
Rather then deal with the difficulty of how to manage particularity at scale, it constructs rules and degrades man so that he is able to be managed at scale.
I think this destroys rational political order and as the political capital (actual foundational organization) is destroyed the elites become more parasitic and destructive of individuals, doing things like destroying their ability to have property/land, religion, relationships, a home, culture and bringing in mass amounts of immigrants to attempt to hold up the dying system.
Anything mass-scale is anti human and just exists so someone can manage it to extract value.
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>>25064432
Because they're ugly and stupid and women don't like them.
They lack discipline and want a daddy figure in their lives to harden them (maybe even secretly leer at them while they shower off)
They hate people and BELIEVE in the lie that human nature is just bad (because they're bad they assume everyone else is just as bad)
Try The Peloponnesian War
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Extremely good summary, this deserves to be saved anon
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>>25064459
>civilizations which bear no genetic resemblance on the basis of race and religion will always find something to disagree over
>genetic resemblance on the basis of religion
this makes no sense kek
>genetic resemblance on the basis of race
this also makes no sense but saying this will make you very upset
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>>25064689
Incorrect, I'm this anon >>25064614
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>>25064432
I am not a fascist, but I think that fascism is close to the natural social order. There, masculinity is valued and femininity is protected. People are bound together by love for the nation into a cohesive whole. The culture of the nation and its traditions, as well as Christian values, are valued. Corporatism, together with private property, represents a very good economic system.
The heroic sphere of human existence is valued. One leader and one party from among the people have the highest power (as in a monarchy) which is centralized. All of this represents positive aspects, at least in my opinion.
What is shown in the Iliad is not exactly fascism and what you think is not exactly fascism (that of confronting your neighbors for the sake of glory) but yes - militarism is part of fascism and that is a good thing.
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>>25064703
Subhuman is a good word to describe people who, despite railing against Israel for decades, only care about the jews being confirmed to eat babies insofar as they can try to use it as a bludgeon to protect transexuals and immigrant rapists from the evil of white people breeding
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>>25064614
So, an ignorant kind of uncle Ted
Monarchists want to kiss the royal slipper, which is just as bad as the nazi-libs that want to kiss shiny boots, as they both stem from those that kissed the imperial sandals or Rome.
You are a homeless man waiting to happen.
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>>25064710
this is a ninnyish, mincing way of saying something ugly. regardless, the ‘but it’s for your own good’ lot must always be pushed back against, CS Lewis once wrote
>Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.
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>Fascism is when a government does exactly what communists do but in a way that we don't like
How can anybody take this dickhead seriously?
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>>25064729
If Fascism were less totalitarian and less centralized, I would also support it. But now that I look back, fascism was a positive phenomenon in Italian history, if only Mussolini hadn't followed that idiot Hitler and implemented reforms on his orders.
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>>25064735
the main responsibility for the last century's disasters lies not so much in the problems as in the solutions, not in impersonal forces but in human beings, thinking certain thoughts and as a result performing certain actions. though the struggle with the forces of dogma has been long and hard, the open society has so far prevailed; there is no reason, in principle, why it should not do so in the future if the lessons have been truly learned, and when learned, not forgotten.
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>>25064432
That's because your definition of fascism and the pro-fascist's definition of fascism are different
>your fascism: society that hates each other, pointless fighting over clout, hitler bad
>pro-fascism: glory seeker, better than everyone else, hitler misunderstood brooding antihero
Most common definition of fascism: essentially corporate lobbyism aka the west rn with all its gay shit
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You want to turn society into a postmodern AI themepark of hollow illusions with no substance. That's somehow even more cringe
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>>25064747
An open society is a thousand times worse than any kind of fascism. Just because Italy lost the war does not mean that liberal ideology triumphs morally. It is not for nothing that all those who do not submit to liberal brainwashing and soul-washing are called "fascists." Fascism is the sign of a man who still does not have a clouded worldview in this global madhouse.
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anon have you ever sat down and read about this fascism thing? technically speaking we're doing a fascism right now
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I am a racial pluralist and not a supremacist. I have esoteric and metaphysical beliefs about race, not materialist or biological reductionist ones (I am an epigeneticist and believe in teleology), and don't think even people with severe cognitive deficits relative to other races are inferior. They may just be at different stages or have different destinies.
I am a fascist mainly for social reasons. I believe it is the legitimate continuation of classical republicanism. Classical republicanism was revived in the Renaissance and Early Modern periods as "feudalism" (hard to define but I like Otto Brunner's definition) ceased to be self-evident as a social system, as just "how life is." It makes sense as what Heidegger calls preontological (everyday) life became problematic, people began ontically considering radically other social systems, and it makes sense that they did this by taking inspiration from Greek and Roman texts that tried to raise Greek and Roman social realities (the polis, ius, etc.) to the level of theoretical contemplation.
By the time of the eighteenth century, it seemed self-evident to a good many people that human beings were malleable and perfectible (see Berlin's essays on people like Helvetius), and that most of what was wrong with human society was a result of the "unconsidered life," which was itself the result of centuries of sedimentation of irrational habits, habits which were defended by political elites who had no raison d'etre except "the inertial drift of feudalism made me a political elite." So it seemed self-evident to them that the path forward to utopia was through "liberation" (see Condorcet's Sketch for a Historical Picture of the Progress of the Human Mind, and Kant's essay "What is Enlightenment?").
Men were naturally good, and could only be perverted and kept in a state of arrested development by bad social structures, so liberating them would create a recursive loop of self-ennoblement, basically. This seemed downright obvious to Enlightenment thinkers, who were part of the "middle class" that was neither ground into the dirt and incapable of nobility of soul due to being born into abject poverty, nor born into luxury that rots the soul.
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But note that all these Enlightenment thinkers assumed that such a liberated society (which meant freedom of conscience, thought, religion, and speech - things that elite intellectuals want; repression for them took the obvious form of "paternalistic government/church not letting me think and say what I want") would be meritocratic AND humbly obedient to its Enlightenment thinkers. In other words, they either assumed that humble people would or should stay quiet and let the intellectual elites run things. The last gasp of this intellectual tendency can be seen in the early 19th century in "utopians" like Fourier, Saint-Simon, and Comte. After the experience of the French Revolution they start to veer from "people will naturally obey their intellectual betters and society as a whole will improve" to "we will have to enforce technocracy to ensure intellectual superiors run the government."
The lesson of the French Revolution, about which Kropotkin and Marx are correct, is that the bourgeoisie was just the sabot containing a popular and eventually proletarian revolution. The bourgeoisie wants to "ride" and "channel" popular pressure against the feudal system to crack it, but then it wants to control and "wisely govern" the aftermath. So Comtean technocracy is already contained, albeit in a more idealistic form, in bourgeois radicalism of the late 18th century. You can see this even in proto-anarchists like William Godwin: at one point he says that his radical libertarian anarchist society will simply know by instinct whom to remove for being antisocial, for rejecting the "self-evident" social contract of libertarian anarchism.
The central paradox of modern (19th-21st century) society is that it is founded on classical republican, democratic, and meritocratic ideals as revived by the modern bourgeoisie in the Early Modern period, but these ideas manifestly do not create automatic or reflexive syntheses of masses + elites. Bourgeois elites inevitably have to turn around on the masses after destroying whatever former elite, take control of the revolution, and suppress the masses (see Marx's 18th Brumaire, Donoso de Cortes, etc.), thus "closing" or "ending" the revolution.
The ancient world understood these dynamics perfectly well, which is why their republicanism was more realist and even pessimistic. Aristotle's Politics is not a recipe for utopia. It assumes that all periods of stability, prosperity, and equitable distribution of prosperity are temporary and that politics runs on phronesis, not episteme. The post-Christian idealism of Early Modern intellectuals was unable to stomach this pessimist's pragmatism and so tried to found modern politics on pure idealism. Hegel is the last gasp of this, and even Hegel's Philosophy of Right hinges on organic Sittlichkeit, not mere Reflection, because Hegel had absorbed the lessons of the French Revolution (of which he was arguably the greatest enthusiast among the German Idealists).
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The socialism of the 19th century was a perfectly understandable reaction against bourgeois hypocrisy. Marx's basic idea, that the bourgeois "dreams up" utopia but cannot accomplish it, and that upon dominating the state it then transforms the utopian dream into mandatory ideology and in effect a new civil religion, is correct. The masses remained unintegrated after the national-republican revolutions, and "liberal economics" is a naive Physiocrat holdover that was already being tested by the socialist impulses of the masses and their representatives (e.g. Babeuf) in the French Revolution. Marx has nothing but respect for "classical" political economy (Smith, Ricardo) but regards people like Say as "vulgar" neoclassical economists for good reason. They are simultaneously ideologically taxidermizing and paradoxically trying to breathe new life into something that is, for Marx's Hegelian mind, "dead." Guizot's "Enrich yourselves!" is not bad because it's cruel, it's farcical because it's atavistic. It's an 18th century conception being retrofitted for 19th century social realities.
Socialism had its utopian internationalist strains, and these all failed, either by failing to cope with the realities of power politics and thus never rising to the level of a geopolitical force, or by lapsing into national socialisms to be able to survive geopolitically. It was inevitable that "what was living" in the national-revolutionary tendency of the late 18th and 19th century would fuse with what was living in the socialist tendency, as utopian socialists failed repeatedly and utopian national-liberals or liberal nationalists repeatedly created neo-feudalisms.
Call it what you like, national socialism, national syndicalism, integralism, fascism, it is the only social form adequate to the challenges of modernity (mass participation and representation in politics or what Schmitt calls the "demotic" principle; the Early Modern principle that politics should be a theoretical affair, so that even conservative organicists like Burke justify their un-theory in theoretical terms; geopolitical realism). Fascism realistically concedes national pluralism to the nationalists (while jettisoning Wilsonian idealism, though not necessarily intelligent multipolarity), it realistically concedes socialism to the socialists and the rights of the people to the populists (while rejecting utopian excesses), it realistically concedes elite theory to the elitists (while rejecting oligarchy), and among smarter fascists it even concedes the necessity of social and economic dynamism, or Sittlichkeit, to the heirs of the Enlightenment (which prevents it from becoming "mere" authoritarianism or totalitarianism).
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All liberalism has to offer in return is cartoonish Mandevillian "private vices, public virtues" raised to the level of a civil religion, Guizot reduxes, and post-Christian "tolerance" (Enlightenment pluralism which was really anything but tolerant of the masses) in an unstable fusion. And as Schmitt says, parliaments and representative assemblies only made sense as the "natural" emanation of the people or the general will (the demotic principle) during a historically contingent phase which is obviously naive in hindsight. It is obvious to everybody, including the all-important masses, that political elites are anything but representative and that parliament is oligarchic theater. Manchesterism or neo-Physiocratism or neo-Mandevillianism, seen from a realist viewpoint, is both obviously ineffective at generating prosperity for the vast majority of the population and is an effective means of dominating, diluting, degenerating, destroying, and enslaving sovereign states that reject it. Mass immigration is just a symptom of this, it is effectively strike-breaking on a global scale, a way to dilute labor organization and the formation of socialist movements (which inevitably split into feckless and irrelevant utopian international socialists and geopolitically active and relevant national socialists). Vulgar "neoliberal" and "neoclassical"-economic globalism is tellingly opposed to both socialism and nationalism, and is only "for" a cartoon update of Mandeville. Most people who support liberalism, whether libertarians or bourgeois leftists who would never fundamentally challenge the system they live in, are "individualists" who want a bizarre fusion of Enlightenment freedom of action but without Enlightenment aspirations to elitism.
Everywhere you look you see decay and death. At the theoretical level, vulgar neoliberalism and neoclassical economics are grotesque rearguard actions. Look at Lippmann's Public Opinion, look at the Powell Memorandum, read Quigley (https://thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/Tragedy_Hope_excerpt.html), read the leaked Citigroup plutonomy memos. At the everyday level, it is manifest even to the stupidest most ordinary person that they don't work. The proof is in the pudding. The modern world is a hellhole. All the promises have been broken, to such an extent that even people inclined to believe them so as not to rock the boat have started to disbelieve them.
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The only remaining option is a return to true classical republicanism, which is effectively fascism. True classical republicanism had "thick" cultures to rely on, it had a very weak or nonexistent demotic principle, in effect it had rich soil into which it was possible to toss a seed and wait for it to grow into a reasonable viable plant (a polis or res publica). The very Enlightenment that gave us the flawed dream of a global utopia of rationally rational meritocratic elite-obeyers also destroyed the thickness of our culture and religion so that a civil religion is necessary. Aristotle's realism is more necessary than ever, and it has to cope with modern realities Aristotle couldn't have dreamed of. But it remains the best possible option.
It is possible to be fascist and not totalitarian, but totalitarianism remains the worst downside of fascism, mostly because the elites who will tend to implement fascist societies will be purely "negative" in motivation, entirely focused on destroying their degenerate neoliberal society. The only solution to this is more phronesis. This problem does not entail that we should let the world keep degenerating into a soup of billions of retarded illiterate hedonists.
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If you have even a half-decent understanding of the modern crisis, and you then read this:
>Lo! I show you the Last Man. "What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?" -- so asks the Last Man, and blinks. The earth has become small, and on it hops the Last Man, who makes everything small. His species is ineradicable as the flea; the Last Man lives longest. "We have discovered happiness" -- say the Last Men, and they blink.
>No shepherd, and one herd! Everyone wants the same; everyone is the same: he who feels differently goes voluntarily into the madhouse.
>"Formerly all the world was insane," -- say the subtlest of them, and they blink. They are clever and know all that has happened: so there is no end to their derision. People still quarrel, but are soon reconciled -- otherwise it upsets their stomachs. They have their little pleasures for the day, and their little pleasures for the night, but they have a regard for health. "We have discovered happiness," -- say the Last Men, and they blink.
.. and your reaction is "well, at least this is better than a single person dying or being forced to masturbate slightly less often," then you should stick with the neoliberal order, but be aware that it isn't up to you whether other people continue to stick with it. In the meantime you can at least read your Kojeve and cross your fingers, although keep in mind Kojeve thought that violent reactions against the process and periods of apparent regress and rupture were still possible, so your lifespan may very well be "on the slaughterbench." If your reaction to this quote was disgust and panic, then you may be a fascist, although it's possible you will pussy out and retreat into some de facto neoliberal-enabling "false negativity" (Piccone, https://c2cjournal.ca/2009/06/where-marx-and-conservatives-meet-the-wr itings-of-paul-piccone/) like bourgeois pseudo-socialism that says "internationalism has to be a precondition of socialism" even though Marx thought the exact opposite of this.
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I dunno. I think the core of the problem is women simply have to free reign to fuck whomever they want and that has dire consequences on a genetic front, which is the core of stuff like this. I don't blame them though.
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>I can't imagine why anyone would want to live in anything besides a liberal society
You're right. Liberalism is every sane person's end goal. If you ask people to describe their political utopia, no one will say the State should continue to exert unlimited control forever. To fascists, the fascist state—ethnationalist, centralized, authoritarian, doesn't shy from violence—is their preferred means to bring about the societal conditions in which liberalism would eventually thrive.
Much of modern political discourse is unintelligible due to people blurring the lines between means and goals. "Liberal democracy" is great as an eventual aspiration, free common people having the biggest say in their local political affairs, but it's fucking terrible as a MEANS to achieve progress with how society currently is. It has accordingly turned into a LARP that countries use to appease their cattle, who aren't aware that not only are they not a democracy (almost all countries are oligarchies), but the charades of "democratic" politics are in fact pushing them further away from eventually achieving real democracy.
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I don't bother much with labels but if your country is headed for ruin and you've been systematically kept out of power by the state by banning your movement or curbing your speech I think it would be justified in grabbing power to stop that trend.
A great example is immigration (as always).
A nation is build by an ethnos for those specific people. Then either a government is elected which simply lies about what they're doing. For example the governments in Europe after the war said they would import *temporary* workers from Turkey or Morocco to help in certain sectors. This was a lie. After they did this they have a foot in the door, the entire family gets brought over. Then people ring the alarm, they see where this is going. Eventually this will lead the native population to be a minority in their own neighborhood. The government then lies again. But now more forcefully. They slander the people telling the truth, dig up all the dirt they can find and if possible imprison you.
After the first wave of truth tellers get bullied and dealt with they open the gates again. Now under the guise of *temporary* refugees. Why is anyone against this? Just a few years of help and they will go back, don't be such a mean racist! Turns out it's permanent for many and they get to bring their family as well. The new people warning against this will get it even worse. The government can ban your movement (Vlaams Blok), the immigrants can kill you (Theo van Gogh) or the radical leftists can kill you (Pim Fortuyn) or set your office on fire, permanently handicapping your wife (Janmaat).
That goes on for decades and now the foreign group is so big it almost doesn't matter politically how popular you get. They are big enough to block any measures to get these *temporary* people out.
After all this I believe force could be justified. One side tried it the right way and got everything thrown at them. The Liberal society failed. And so you have to try something else.
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liberal democracy is a horrible aspiration you fucking freak, no one ever wanted it. it was a post-hoc rationalization of the destruction of local cultures and the capture of their land and property by elites
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>>25064954
>no one ever wanted it.
I want it
>it was a post-hoc rationalization of the destruction of local cultures and the capture of their land and property by elites
Fascism doesn't protect local cultures either. It is a revolutionary ideology that strips cultures down to a few base components and weaponizes them in the interest of the state.
If you want to protect culture then you need to actually engage in culture.
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>>25064980
I said no one wanted it at the time, it was not something people chose it was something done to them by elites as a way of consolidating power and extracting value more effective from the actual human beings
>I want it
yes you are a bad person morally and intellectually
>Fascism doesn't protect local cultures either
I already gave a long explanation
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>>25064627
I'd ask if you had an alternative better path to it however it seems you are just as set on the rape and destruction of human beings as TPTB so I don't think you have anything to say other than just repeating the phrases you've had beaten into you.
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>>25064998
>it seems you are just as set on the rape and destruction of human beings
Liberal democracy, in conjunction with industrialization, is the only ideology in the modern world that has increased the quality of life of regular people dramatically. Everything from personal wealth to leisure time.
My complaints with modern liberalism is that the tools to increase quality of life are becoming increasingly difficult to access, but I think solving this problem is relatively simple. It does not require flipping the table.
Fascism got Germany split in half by its supposed inferiors for half a century and made any sort of ethnonationalism a total taboo in the west. It was one of the most epic fails in human history. If you think there was anything good there you're a total retard, sorry.
>I don't think you have anything to say other than just repeating the phrases you've had beaten into you.
"you're brainwashed" and "you just cant handle the truth". Thought terminating cliches are the hallmark of a real intellectual titan. At some point in this conversation you're just going to threaten to murder me and you will act as if you've done something profound.
Again, if you want to protect culture then engage with your culture. Jews are very good at this and it makes people seethe endlessly, which makes me think it isn't really about culture at all.
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>>25064432
>I'm currently reading The Iliad, and albeit there are certainly elements of the story which are relevant in this day and age, I can't wrap my head around why people genuinely believe we should live like Mycenaean Greeks, raiding our neighbors' farms and challenging each other to mutual combat for the sake of glory.
Sounds like a more meaningful life than whatever the fuck modern man aspires to do.
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>>25064954
I put "liberal democracy" in quotes so you know I'm referring to its idealistic meaning and not the current liberal world order. 'Liberal' meaning the State does not legislate beyond basic morality or micromanage economic transactions, and 'democracy' meaning that state functions are incrementally handed over to the people to manage at a local level (more subsidiarity than democracy, tbf).
What would be the point of a militarized police state if you successfully build high-trust ethnic communities with virtually non-existent crime? What would be the point of propaganda or information control once you nurture a strong culture that's intrinsically proud and protective of itself? What would be the point of central governance if small local communities have been cleaned up and organized well enough to take charge of their own affairs?
Every common practice of fascism is a solution to a problem. After the problem is solved, there's no need for the solution. I live in a small, wealthy ethnostate that at one point employed fascist methods, was condemned worldwide for it, but then gradually winded down its grip on society and is now viewed as a libertarian paradise. Fascism's very nature is to be a forceful political corrective against certain cultural diseases until the protection of the native culture could be handled by the people again. You don't need to keep the scaffolds once you've renovated the house is all I'm saying.
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>>25064432
Try studying actual history. Then when you're done with that study biology. Actually you can go in either order. You think this is the first time anybody has ever tried a liberal society?
Liberal societies are just the end of the cycle that quickly fail every time. It's not a question of wanting to live in them it's a question of do they actually work and are they actually sustainable. And the answer is clearly no. Not every society is either hardcore liberal or fascist but overall most of history is dominated by relatively conservative societies. Why? Because it matches the natural biology of humans that they cannot overcome.
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>>25064432
My lived experience in this modern world informed me that something was wrong, meanwhile everything the modern world told me was right was wrong and visa versa.
Of course I didn't fall for the reverse psychology, I went and read Evola, and I'm currently reading Mein Kampf.
The more a studied history, the more it became clear.
I simply want to live around my own people, with our own ancestral culture, our own identity, people that look like us, talk like us, behave like us.
I want to belong somewhere, and the answer is simply that in modern multi-cultural society, I don't belong anywhere. Multi-culturalism basically just means Everybody but White People, and I'm just tired of living around people who hate me and only want to use me, all while they get to keep their identity, but I'm forced to abandon mine.
I will not abandon mine, I will be who I am, not because some economic or social construct says so, but because I know it in my heart, I act on what I am by nature, it's that simple.
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>>25065048
Righteousness is necessarily tiresome in a world where evil is currently reigning supreme.
If you abandon what is objectively morally right in favor of apathy or a momentary exchange of pleasantries in your life, the shallow pursuit of your own happiness, you're just turning a blind eye to the people like Epstein and the elites who commit untold acts of evil, and face no repercussions because they own all the institutions.
We have a moral obligation to be better, to return to a better world, and to oppose villainy in all its forms.
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>>25065039
I made an actual argument which you did not read and you then continue to ignore even the few statements I made that post and focus only on the words I said that hurt your feelings then write the most boring milquetoast shit ever written. absolute cattle
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>>25065091
Liberalism can only function from a place of Ethnic Homogeniety. Fascism is the means of creating and preserving Ethnic Homogeniety.
We can have no talks of liberalism until we secure the existence of our people.
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>>25065094
Ah yes, I'm sure you have a perfectly good grasp on history.
Never mind that the Germans didn't execute the Jews, tried to expell them, and the Jews have spent generations creating propoganda about them, this coin certainly proves that it was the Nazis all along and not the obvious Jews running the world.
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>>25065084
You didn't make an argument lol. You said something so patently false that its baffling you could even come to a conclusion and are now doing the classic coward retreat where you pretend like the people reading your shit just can't handle it and are lashing out in anger. It is coping in the non-buzzword sense.
In practice and in theory fascism does absolutely nothing to preserve culture or language or any of that shit. You literally acknowledge this in your post. It bulldozes all of these save for a foundation to build a retarded horror-project on that has failed even harder than communism literally every single time.
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>>25065103
Bullshit. Cowardly stupid bullshit.
>>25065109
>the Jews
Which Jews? Why do rightwing imbeciles alway think in such idiotic monolithic broad strokes all the time? Before the war Hitler's Germany were friendly with the Zionists, thinking this a the way to get all the jews out, move away to Palestine and Somaliland. Cool man. Then things start to heat up and the authorities offer the rich Jews a chance to sell their homes and leave. Only later do we see them herd people into the ghettos and later the camps. The poor and the socialist Jews got killed. And afterwards the Zionist sails in and says "awww, too bad. This shall never happen again!" But in the back rooms they danced and celebrated the sacrifice.
Zionists are fascists, and Frankist cultists. Bizzaro world versions of Jews, and you find common cause with them when you drool over shiny boots.
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>>25065119
Almost all societies throughout history have been Ethnically homogeneous, and under some strict code of law restricting foreigners and governing conduct.
The modern Fascist state ideology is simply a modernized version of Natural living, adapted to the needs of the present, whilst ultimately advocating for the universal truth that was known in the past.
Though the essence of your criticism is correct, in that it does have flaws, and must again be adapted to face the modern threats of mass migration and jewish institutional power.
Simply put, the tenets of this philosophy need not be enacted on a state level, but practiced on an individual level, a kind of Guerrilla Warfare of ideology operating within the larger frame of the corrupt occult government systems.
Homesteading, small time communities, freedom of association, preferences for White Businesses, and the ability to exclude foreigners wherever possible so as to put ones own people first. Such a movement could not be fully halted by law, and would be propelled by individual action.
Of course the state may may laws following the establishment of these intentional communities, but we can equally keep adapting, and even fighting for the legal protections to simply remove ourselves from the modern world while they all eat away at eachother.
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>>25065119
I gave a reason why in my post as well one you completely ignore because you are in some shithole nothing country no one cares about that is still able to function within the global economy.
I am not blindly pro-fascist or something, however you need an actual path for a place to maintain independence against hegemonic liberalism. Fascism claims to be and at at least seems as a possibility of that path.
You just identify with the liberalism that is destructive of actual cultures and view it as ideal, you are not in any sense "protected" from it.
If there was a way for a country to function while separating from the global financial system and the mechanisms of the powers that be, stay small and low scale and have a small government focused on internal regulation that would be nice but that is a complete fantasy. The second any serious country establishes itself as standing apart from the current power structures all of the forces on earth will be turned against it, as they were historically.
If this doesn't happen it's because you aren't actually standing apart from it.
The strict autarky is not necessary as an ideal but is more a pragmatic millitary matter because of that requirement of removal from the global economy (as if you fail to do this you will just be coopted)
I would love an alternative as I said I do recognize fascism is destructive of local stuff however I do not actually see any practical way you could have a place that is actually civilizational and functional in that way, while not drawing the ire of the global hegemons.
Saying "Embrace the culture" is literally just saying "Give into the hegemons", it's a rejection of a possible solution, not a solution.
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>>25065139
Because truth exists
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>>25065137
>Bullshit. Cowardly stupid bullshit.
Any modern liberal country including Nons in their ethnic makeup has higher crime rates, greater reliance of welfare programs, low societal trust, and a whole slew of other issues. Yes, these issues exist in non homogenized societies, but not to the same degree.
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>friendly with the Zionists
The initial strategy was to deport them all, thus they tried to help establish Israel as a compromise to simply get them all away from Germany. When the Germans then sought to separate themselves from the Global Bankers, that was when the war first began.
All Jews are genetically predisposed to trickery and deception.
Nonetheless, no state can function from a place of ethnic multiculturalism, it has not worked anywhere it has been tried.
I have no common cause with anyone outside of my own Genetic Racial Folk, and I will not assist them or help them in any way, but if they use the tenets of what we practice to build something of their own, that can't be helped, and I see no reason to interfere one way or the other.
My people come first.
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>>25065084
I'm not the same fag as the other guy you're arguing with retard. I haven't even disputed your main points. I'm not pro or anti fascist, just pointing out the murkiness that comes from considering fascism as the final political state to aspire for, rather than as a possible solution to specific contemporary problems.
I would argue only against your point that you need to be ACTIVELY subservient to the global liberal order in order to survive. That is true for middle power countries and above, but for smaller ones all you need to do is give lip service to their actions in foreign affairs. This is still a passive subservience, but as long as it's completely platonic and symbolic, why care? If it allows my native culture to thrive and keeps them from actively intruding into it, I'm fine with that while they still reign over the world. I'd rather live in my "shithole nothing" country where life is comfy and I'm surrounded by my coethnics than in a big one firmly under the grip of the hegemons. What those big nations have to do is another matter I'm not able to adjudicate on. Godspeed to you is all I can say.
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>>25065160
>muh crime rate stat
Firstly, there are three types of lies
Secondly the state chronicles what a crime is and who gets punished for it. It is essentially ilegal to be poor, and in a state that wishes to foster social divisions as a distraction for the plebs, they will paint a minority as harbingers of pestilence and evil.
I notice these things and take them into account. There is no pure race incapable of "crimes" and immoralities, and it naivety to assume "homogeneity" is a cure. Ball teams operate smoothly enough with mixed races. Grow up and realize this idea you picked up stems from some sort of fear.
>The initial strategy
What I was getting at. No, the financial trickery was something like a Marshall Plan, they *initially* accepted the money from NYC and London.
There is nothing in the genes that one predisposed to trickery, it is a cultural proclivity only. The deception is from the powerful, and the secretive, who as it turns out are in a cult/sect of Judaism named Frankist or Sabbatian-Frankist. This is a CULTURAL phenomena, not a gene.
>no state can function from a place of ethnic multiculturalism
As much as I loath them, the imperial model proves your sophomoric statement false without a shadow of a doubt. Be ashamed of yourself for typing it. Never repeat this mistake.
I often propose a world without state-capitalism, and the nationalists get all panicky about it. But honestly, listen. In a world of such freedom, like would flock to like, neighbor would visit neighbor and make trade deals, but they would be on their way to live not where the job market is better at any given time, but to be by their kin.
When will you let your people come first?
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>>25065167
>the left
The PoMo, is what you mean. But the term "left" is childish anyway. The term "truth" is not childish, no matter how elusive.
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What ails them is capitalism. They can't seem to stop taking it.
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>>25065214
>Blacks and Browns in White countries commit nearly 2/3rds of all the crimes, particularly sex crimes, but really that is just the state telling you to believe that.
This is why nobody takes your stance seriously dude, your argument isn't based in anything, you're just deconstructing inconvenient facts, and misrepresenting what I said.
>There is no pure race incapable of "crimes"
Never said that there was, I simply said that Racially Homogenized societies typically have less crime. If you can't comprehend the difference then stop trying to engage in this discussion.
>"homogeneity" is a cure
Again, I didn't say it was, I explicitly stated that crime still exists in these societies, just to a much smaller degree.
>Ball teams
Woah! Basketball! I'm sure the existence of Basketball teams can explain why Mixed race people have a higher prevalence of Mental Illness and greater difficulty with acculturation and identity problems.
>stems from some sort of fear.
Like the fear of my people not existing in 200 years because our genetics will be erased? Ya, sounds reasonable to me.
>it is a cultural proclivity only.
Non practicing jews are still liars and tricksters. Nothing you say or do can tell me otherwise, every jew I've met acts this way whether they're "Extreme" or not.
Culture arises from a shared genetic expression.
>the imperial model
Oh, you mean the societies like Rome which were all ethnically homogenized at the start of their existence, and began to decay the more multi-cultural they become? What are you trying to prove here buddy?
>When will you let your people come first?
I am, by not allowing for any foreigners near us whatsoever. I don't want to live around the, I don't want to do business with them, that's that.
Any tolerance whatsoever is being complicit in the ethnic replacement of my people. Fuck off.
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>>25065211
The idea there is a universal state to aspire to is contrary to the foundational principles I layed out, the specific form of organization depends on the specific people and their culture. In some circumstances it's possible that's facism, though in many others it is something different. It's all dependent on circumstances.
This is also getting into your shithole country I don't think it's proper to say there is a general rule of politics (i do actually love bukele if thats what you are talking about).
There is no general politics, I have a particular history I am indebted to and have received and must maintain, the only way I can possibly maintain this is basically direct conflict with the hegemons set on destroying it. I don't have the option.
I don't think there is the ability to stay that seperate from it, they get their roots in, corrupt, usury and debt being available means if anyone can be corrupted they will that's the whole point of autarky is seperating from that. If it is mostly working and say like someone in el salvador yeah you don't really have an option. I'm not though and I am obliged to be responsible to my inheritance and as I said I'd love an alternative but practically fascism is really the only serious response that has any actual hope of organizing stuff better politically.
I am american and my base case is actually this doesn't happen, I think it's possible it does though and in order for the US to seperate we would 100% need a fascist thing because of how fundamental we are to the global machine.
My base case is more slow imperial destruction, ethnic conflict, and mass chaos that would then spread out to secondary/obscure countries like yours dependent on the global economy for stability which would have rebounding economic effects because of how mutually involved everything is.
From your perspective I guess I would say the pro-fascist thing would be to say the liberal world order is currently destroying the european civilization broadly speaking and when that fails the rebounding effects will be extremely negative and finding some more semi-stable order thorugh having a fascist world power (kind of like how china functions now) to sort of act as another pole to maintain order in the event of general civilizational collapse.
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>>25065248
>Starts by quoting himself. Unreflective ignorance. Zero consideration for new information. His atrophied mind is seal shut
This doesn't bode well for the rets of your knee-jerk post.
>I simply said that Racially Homogenized societies typically have less crime.
And I pointed out how you were wrong. Financially stable countries enjoy low crime. Reported crime. Pursued crime. ACTUAL crime? Who knows. No one measures this.
*Is NOT a cure
>Like the fear of my people not existing in 200 years
So a sexual fear. Got it.
>Non practicing jews
Like a comedian or a fast food manager. You fear the wrong people. The bad guys are the super rich and the zionists. Also there are secular zionists and Christian zionists. Jew or not, it is the Zionist, nationalists.
>You can't teach me nothin. NOOOOOOOooooo00000ooooOO
Dumb dumb dumb dumb
Culture does not come from your genes. There's a debate about the balance of "nature vs nurture" and you think it's all the same thing. You a wrong.
>Rome
A thousand year reign for no other reason than their technique and technological advances. I've read much of it. Like every empire before or since, they were a multiethnic project. Shame on your addled head.
>His "people" will come last. Well behind nationalism, Zionism, fear, hatred, probably sexism and a host of other things.
You will remain a failure till you accept growth.
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>>25065272
Wordcels is are programmed like robots, they don't actually think. They can't connect to meaning so they can't relate to anything and no discussion about anything can actually happen. That's subhuman. Being manipulated through emotional appeals is very human.
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>objectively
Where?
I've seen your "rightwing" books and you seem to not be reading even them. Empires are multiethnic. Rome didn't fall because too many brown or da jews.
They fell to inner divisions, the Pope sending raiders to sack them and then finally the technology of the cannon got to the point it could level the walls.
>The creature
You are a degenerate
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>>25065323
Facts and Objective Reality are lost on you, then what point is there in having an argument with you? If you're only swayed by subjectivity, then go jack yourself off. Meanwhile, heres some facts, and if you cannot provide facts to insulate your perspective, don't bother replying:
>https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/nearly-two-thirds-of-conv icted-rapists-in-sweden-are-migrant s-or-/
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
>https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clynyyqdnrdo
>https://popcouncil.org/insight/the-prevalence-and-persistence-of-cous in-marriage-in-pakistan/
All migrants are violent because they are mostly inbred and and unevolved, there is no merit in accepting them into society. Furthermore, all Uniquely European Traits will not exist in 200 years of current demographic replacement persists, if you jsut say "Oh well you're insecure you should want that to happen" you're a cunt, and there is no point in talking to you.
No organism should willingly abide by its own extinction, I am not a Black, a Brown, an Asian, I am biologically a White Man, and I will fight for the existence of my people as their own distinct biological entity.
Until you accept that your position is indefensible and not based in facts or logic, you will continue to be a degenerate.
Nothing you say or do will get me to willfully stand by why the existence of my people is wiped off the map by inbred. You're going to be deported.
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>>25065331
They're lying beasts, screaming into the void. Watch their rhetoric, watch how they fail to back up anything they state.
Anyone with lived experience knows them to be false, they're just banging on the walls of their isolated dark room existence, insisting that the way they think the world exists outside their rooms is actually true.
>>25065347
Yes, Rome fell when it began allowing foreign armies into their ranks, allowing foreign politicians, altering the demographics of their culture.
>They fell to inner divisions
You're so close and yet so far. What caused those inner divisions Numb Nuts?
Still nothing you say can convince anyone to want to go extinct, and if you're White, which I doubt since you act Jewish, then you are a coward who would rather sit back and throw away everything your forebears built, your genetics heritage, your evolution to this point, for vague idealism and liberal abstractions.
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>>25064432
Fascism is at its very core a romantic movement and i am a romantic at heart. I yearn for lofty, selfless, chivalric ideals of doing everything for one's tribe, not for financial benefits of doing so but out of solidarity, brotherhood. The german word Gleichshaltung, borrowed from electric engineering, originally meant rectification, the change of current from AC to DC, when nazis adopted it, it was translated as synchronisation. That's ultimately what i yearn for, what Spengler called Prussian socialism, a synchronous society of brothers and sisters doing their best for one another with the state acting as a conductor to an orchestra, telling each part of the whole just when they must play their part, rather than a slave master with a whip in hand.
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>>25065347
Even the republic fell the same way.
Celts wiped out their entire military so they started giving out citizenship to non Romans for military service. Within one lifetime the Republic fell to a populist handing out citizenship like candy to anyone who fought under him.
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>>25065351
>what point is there in having an argument with you?
Giving up?
>Links to statistics
Already explained to you twice now.
>Migrants
Migraine. This isn't even what we were talking about. yeah, your head is riddled with holes. Hope you get better, zionist toady.
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>>25065374
>Giving up?
Every single time with the most braindead framing imaginable.
Giving what up?
The only way to "win" in a discussion is if you understand more about the world than you did before the discussion. But it doesn't even occur to you to think, it's completely alien to you.
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>>25065083
When I was a regular of /pol/ I had the exact same thoughts however after a serious bout of introspection I realized
that fascism (like any other ideology), is a literal waste of time. I genuinely don't care about any of it.
To me, my own interests are most important, and one of them is to live the most apathetic life possible in todays society.
Engaging in ideological activities is for idiots who do not value themselves, their own time and energy.
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>>25065359
That's not right. Julian fell to his own ranks betraying him, but the empire got back up again. Other stumbles, but again it was the technology and the betrayal of fellow imperialists (the Pope) that took off the maps.
You nationalists make the same mistake every time. The Young Turks felt they could rejuvenate their dying empire by ethnically cleansing some of their own people. But no. It fell all the faster. See how wrong? No? Well you don't see it because you're under the spell of the Zionist mind-warp
>extinct
There's that sexual inadequacy pocking out again. Poor lad.
I'm of slavic ancestry. Not Jewish at all and again anti-zionist, unlike you. A spiritual jew of the Frankist variety.
>>25065371
So according to you the Roman empire lasted about one hundred years. But then, you don't understand what an empire is much less that they lasted about a thousand.
>>25065372
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>>25065380
There isn't anything to discuss since you can't understand what I wrote above. You won't accept that you have been led astray and your head is full of garbage. So yeah, every-single-time the facts come at you. try to process them. Do your best kid. Might wake up someday.
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>>25065374
So statistics and facts are inconvenient to you, so you're going to dismiss them and simply say that everything is a social construct.
Did you know most people agree that Mark Twain never even said that?
Well then I'm going to invent my own social construct, where White People have their own homeland and no nons are allowed, and there is nothing you can do to stop me. Afterall, if everything is a social construct, then truth is malleable, and I can do whatever I want, and therefor what I want is a society that only allows Whites.
>>25065383
Apathy is cowardice, because you're still acting on principles, just now it's the principle that doesn't value principles, and therefor contradicts itself.
Your people who share your DNA, your ancestry, your unique spiritual existence, need you. What is good for you is good for them and in turn, what benefits them is of benefit to you. You are genetically who you are, and if you betray the essence of your own existence, you are not healthy.
It's fine to reject fascism, but if you reject your own people, you're scum.
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>>25065397
>So according to you the Roman empire lasted about one hundred years.
Why can't you even pretend to be honest? You can't even make one sincere, honest statement about any subject or acknowledge you understand anything being said?
After long essays by that other incredibly patient dude you still don't understand any alternative positions to your religious dogma? Not a single one?
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>>25065401
Go back to the first post answering the crime statistics.
Don't care who said it. Doesn't matter.
>muh ethnostate
Bottom paragraph >>25065214
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>>25065391
I would never ethnically cleanse my own people, I'd simply deport all the people who are not my people. Why would I invent foreigners into my home when my own children need to eat?
>Zionist mind-warp
Loving your own race and the countless thousands of generations of your own unique ethnic existence is now a Jewish psyop thanks to the Epstein Jewish mind tricks.
Whatever you say, I'm not supporting non-whites, they are not my people, they hate me, they want me ethnically cleansed. So again, why should I be complicit in my own extinction?
>There's that sexual inadequacy pocking out again.
I've had more sex then years you've been alive. Wanting my traits to exist is a matter of biological necesity, every organism wants to continue existing.
Imagine you said:
>Oh look how sad the White Rhino is! There aren't any more White Rhinos, but it feeling sad is not because it's own species is gone, but because it's sexual inadequate.
It's just a stupid argument you people make because you think you can shame people using middle school virgin shaming tactics to get them to participate in your group think
>"Sell out your race and abandon your heritage or else you're a virgin!"
You're pathetic dude, like a knat flying into everybodies faces and claiming superiority by virtue of how annoying you are.
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>I don't think statistics are true because they contradict my delusions!
Okay then, go to Memphis Tennese, or any big city in America. Which group of people do you think you're more likely to be attacked by?
If you say Whites, you're delusional. If you say Blacks, you'll then say that's because of socio-economics, and then we're back to square one where you still haven't left your basement and gone outside to witness reality.
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>>25065408
You haven't answered shit, nothing you say suggests you understand a word anyone says to you. In your "bottom paragraph" you suddenly acknowledge that people wouldn't choose globohomo multiculturalism if there were no economic incentives for it.
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>sexual inadequacy
So if we don't willingly accept are own extinction, we're sexually inadequate. Flawless logic.
I mean what was your plan in this thread exactly? Come in and basically act a fool, deny evidence without a valid counter claim, and basically say that we ought to go extinct in creating some new cultural utopia that doesn't include us or our people in any capacity?
Do you really think this rhetoric is capable of convincing anyone in believing in what you're saying? That is would somehow make us advocate less for our own principles and existence?
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>>25065401
>Apathy is cowardice, because you're still acting on principles, just now it's the principle that doesn't value principles, and therefor contradicts itself.
I am absolutely fine being apathetic coward. In regards to principles, my previous /pol/ mentality had me constrained, chained to a set of principles. Not anymore, I now I have my own way, if I want to act according to some kind of priciples then I will do so, if want to act free and unrestrained then I will do so. If I feel like being an apathetic coward then I will be just that.
>Your people who share your DNA, your ancestry, your unique spiritual existence, need you. What is good for you is good for them and in turn, what benefits them is of benefit to you. You are genetically who you are, and if you betray the essence of your own existence, you are not healthy.
My ancestors are dead and buried 6 feet under, they definitely don't need me or anything else for that matter because have long become worm food. This right wing ideologues fixation with the dead doesn't seem healthy desu
>It's fine to reject fascism, but if you reject your own people, you're scum.
You accept it! Accept fascism into your heart, and then accept additional fascism, for your good but apathetic brother anon from /lit/.
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>>25065448
Community is the greatest quality a man can aspire to. To engage in a community, you have to relinquish some degree of your individuality to others of your group. Self sacrifice is the path to the higher self, but you get to choose what you sacrifice yourself to, and if you choose wrong, you should expect no sympathy.
>My ancestors are dead and buried 6 feet unde
Your ancestors are all around you, in your kin, and in your own body, your genetics. You are an extension of their existence, unfortunately the part of them that has become sick.
Reverence for Death is healthy, avoidance of death is not. You will die, and you will be made to face the consequences of your life.
You were made for more than this, and I hope you find a greater sense of health and purpose then this mess. Overcome your nihilism, brother.
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>>25065414
>Fake quote
Not said. Didn't need to get into the weeds of it, but touched on it. You need me to copy/paste it here for you, lazy-baby?
>Firstly, there are three types of lies
Secondly the state chronicles what a crime is and who gets punished for it. It is essentially ilegal to be poor, and in a state that wishes to foster social divisions as a distraction for the plebs, they will paint a minority as harbingers of pestilence and evil.
Need a breakdown? You gonna pour over this later tonight for the test?
>>25065412
>He posts a NSA/zionist panic infograph
You are a manipulated fool.
>>25065416
>NU-UHHH!!!!
>globohomo
That's not what I wrote at all. Globalism is imperialism. What I suggested would turn into a world where people went back to the own type however they liked. You'd be happier in that as ethnicities would no doubt cluster together. Learn to read, fucker.
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>>25064432
I am fascist in the same way many 21st century communists are communists, meaning I desire a form of fascism that has never been tried.
National Socialism is total schizo shit. I don’t subscribe to any tenet of it or even include it as part of fascism. In my version of fascism all citizens would be equal under the law, no matter their heritage.
I think that one man rule with Fuhrer/Duce or whatever is retarded af. There needs to be some level of electoral accountability for politicians and leaders. If people really need that Il Duce LARP then we should have one as a figurehead similar to the British monarchy and nothing more.
Bourgeois democracy, in my vision of a fascist state, would be totally abolished. There would be no one man one vote. Every citizen would be grouped with their trade union or industry and those corporations would vote as one body in an election.
Also there wouldn’t be any censorship because that’s retarded af. The arts and sciences would be free to do whatever they want. Also protests would be allowed and protected by law, but of course violent demonstration would be forbidden. Also there would be freedom of religion and of the press. Homosexuality would be entirely legal but government recognized gay marriage would not exist, in fact government recognized marriage would be centered entirely around the bearing of children and the organization of the household, not love.
That is my ideal fascist/corporatist society. I recognize that it shares not much in common with any fascist society that actually existed, but commies constantly dream about a better version of communism so I see nothing wrong with me dreaming for a better version of fascism.
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>>25065462
>Community is the greatest quality a man can aspire to. To engage in a community, you have to relinquish some degree of your individuality to others of your group. Self sacrifice is the path to the higher self.
Sacrificing others or to be precise, convincing others to wilingly self sacrifice is truly the path to the higher self.
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>>25065470
>they will paint a minority as harbingers of pestilence and evil.
They are, and if you have ever been around them to a great degree, you would know this. They consistently score lower on IQ and all intelligence metrics, every study shows that even when socioeconomic conditions are equalized, some groups still consistently score low. Maybe they can still be good people I don't care, they are not Europeans, they do not have European genetics.
>You are a manipulated fool.
Nothing about that post is false, if current demographic changes persist, this is the future, and it could happen even faster when the browns activate jihad, which historically they have always done in literally every land they've ever occupied.
The state does not tell me to fear them, these migrants themselves state explicitly that they hate us and want to erase us.
And again, why should we import them here? Why not mutli-culturalism for non-white countries? Why is this only being pushed in White Countries? Could it be because they want to eradicate our genetic makeup and replace us with slaves who are less intelligent and easier to control?
The jews have power because they favor their own people, if we want to oppose them, we need that same degree of solidarity.
>>25065484
But sacrificing yourself to something that is of benefit to you, and the unique organism that you are. I'm not advocating self destruction, but that you accept what you Biologically Are, and not reject it, otherwise you can lay no claim to truth by rejecting your roots.
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>>25065535
Jews are objectively highly intelligent and cunning, but what truly sets them apart and what they excel at more than any other group is ruthless in-group preference. No one is more tribal and racist than Jews, and it benefits them enormously. That’s exactly why they maliciously push “equality” while championing mass third-world immigration. Now when normies wonder why our societies are collapsing, why politicians have knowingly destroyed their own countries… we can now point straight to the Epstein files for the explanation. It demystifies everything, honestly.
Not to mention the overton window has shifted hard: center-left normies and leftists are now openly antisemitic right alongside the right, but they’ll insist the right are the “wrong” kind of antisemites for hating the “wrong” Jews (even though most on the right don’t). I find it funny that the same people who, just 2.5 months ago, would ban you for pattern recognition or “Jewdar” are now claiming your entire worldview was astroturfed by Jews now.
>>25065470
Like this fag right here.
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>>25065470
If you want to avoid ethnic conflict, don't import millions of undocumented illegals into a homogenized society.
The Elites explicitly do this for the reason of creating division, you're right in this regard, that is no excuse to forget our preexisting society which was better before they got here.
Not to mention, you may convince Whites of this behavior, but Browns will not be peaceful, they explicitly hate Whites and want to eradicate us, they are lower IQ as mentioned. Your little unity between the races thing can only function if both Whites and Browns agree to a truce, which Browns have never done, nor will ever do.
You cannot reason with an animal.
It's like saying:
>"You should ally yourself with the Bear, because the Hunters want to kill you both."
And then the bear mauls you to death because it is an animal that is beyond the reach of Reason, and the hunters win anyway.
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>>25065557
Exactly, you can't organize and and fight against institutional power from a place of division, which any idealistic multi-cultural alliance is ultimately predicated on.
Ideally yes, every group should oppose the jew, but if they do so whilst contradicting their own group and putting others before their own, they will win nothing, and maintain nothing even if they do win.
The Jew has won precisely because they can practice in-group preference, and demonize any other group when they try to do the same (Mostly Whites, which is why the moron in this thread is railing against Whites instead of trying to convince the other racial groups).
Without allegiance to the foundations of our own existence, we have no ground upon which to stand up to world Jewry and the Occult (Never forget about the Masonic Racial Traitors.)
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>>25064787
Nothing about fascism is Republican.
Elites and masses are not some different species of beings with different souls.
Internationalism is inevitable as the next logical step from nationalism
Besides this, you are right on certain things, especially Bourgeois hypocrisy
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>>25065535
>But sacrificing yourself to something that is of benefit to you
That is contradictory, there is no such thing. By definition a person who sacrifices himself will incur a loss in order to benefit others.
>and the unique organism that you are. I'm not advocating self destruction, but that you accept what you Biologically Are, and not reject it, otherwise you can lay no claim to truth by rejecting your roots.
I do not lay any claims to anything (nor do I want to).
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>>25064502
This is perfectly said. I was into fascism for years and, though I have consciously decided to distance myself from it, this dream you described remains so attractive to me that there will probably always be a sadness for me in letting go of it.
An illustration of what you describe is the “pond of blood” in Iran, which, according to Adam Curtis, was created to celebrate the armies of schoolboys recruited to walk into minefields for the state during the Iran-Iraq War. Those volunteers were allegedly also given little golden keys said to unlock the gates of paradise. How true is this? Idk. But it’s incredibly alluring. How can you not be seduced by the prospect of a society mobilized into a fantastic, decadent theater of cruelty?
>Iran isn’t fascist, fascism is a specific historical…
I know you get what I’m saying
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>>25065580
>Internationalism is inevitable as the next logical step from nationalism
NTA, but I disagree, globalization creates unnatural conditions, and necessitates industrialization, which leads to an insane amount of environmental degradation. If the environment of the Folk is threatened then any movement which seeks globalization threatens the folk by destroying the world we are meant to inherit.
Now perhaps there are ways to do this sustainably, but I personally don't see this in the realm of possibility, at least at present.
>>25065585
How is it contradictory? When you sacrifice time to work you gain money, when you sacrifice energy to workout at the gym you make gains, and when you put your shallow pursuits on hold to take care of your children, your blood goes on living, and it is the most spiritually rewarding thing in existence.
>I do not lay any claims to anything (nor do I want to).
If you had children, a people, a culture, a heritage, you wouldn't feel this way. This mentality is the hallmark of somebody who is lost, and having been there myself, I hope you don't feel this way forever.
>>25065587
That just makes you a psychopath. Nobody kills without necessity.
>>25065635
Fascism as a matter of personal principle is simply a way of governing your own life with discipline: Eating Healthy home grown foods, exercising, reading, being a community member.
You're engaging with the exoteric example of it given to us by the media, when the reality is that it is simply a means of recovering a more natural way of life.
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>>25065359
>Anyone with lived experience knows them to be false, they're just banging on the walls of their isolated dark room existence, insisting that the way they think the world exists outside their rooms is actually true.
NTA. But this phrase perfectly describes every race-realist I've ever debated online.
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>>25064432
name the genre these books are in
> the prince
> protocols of zion
> blue book of the john birch society
> 1984
> brave new world
> the socialist phenomenon
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>>25065665
>How is it contradictory? When you sacrifice time to work you gain money, when you sacrifice energy to workout at the gym you make gains, and when you put your shallow pursuits on hold to take care of your children, your blood goes on living, and it is the most spiritually rewarding thing in existence.
I will accept it, I looked at the definition again and there is indeed such a meaning (among others)
>>I do not lay any claims to anything (nor do I want to).
>If you had children, a people, a culture, a heritage, you wouldn't feel this way. This mentality is the hallmark of somebody who is lost, and having been there myself, I hope you don't feel this way forever.
No, I used to feel the same way you do but not anymore. I hope you deeply reflect and introspect and realize who you really are, there is nothing worse than having to live a life imposed upon you by your culture, society, heritage peer group etc.
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>>25065401
>Afterall, if everything is a social construct, then truth is malleable, and I can do whatever I want, and therefor what I want is a society that only allows Whites.
Fascists and white nationalists already do that though. They quite literally live in their own insulated reality supported entirely by memeographics they picked up on /pol/ which they keep saved in their computers right besides the goon folder to post on a moment's notice
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>>25065431
freudian psychology sounded alien to the goyim and probably scientific or whatever, but to the jew its simply the way he thinks
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>>25065665
You seem to be arguing against industrialisation itself. I do agree that globalism wouldn't exist if we go back to living like 11th century. But globalism is the way forward if there is any "forward" at all.
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>>25064432
>I can't wrap my head around why people genuinely believe we should live like Mycenaean Greeks, raiding our neighbors' farms and challenging each other to mutual combat for the sake of glory
You are willfully ignorant of what you've signed up for, and the phantasmagoric 1930s Italo-Teutonic LARPers are only slightly more honest about intentions.
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>>25065814
>there are threds where nothing habbens and threre are threds where nothing habbens
>t. lenin
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>>25065691
The opposite is true for me, most the race realists I've talked to have lived in urban centers, gone to school in urban areas, or worked jobs around nons. I myself have worked all over the country, and the patterns of behaviors for different races of people are fairly consistent no matter where you go.
>>25065700
Who I really am is a White Celtic/Saxon descendant. The prison is the one of the modern world which, in the absence of heritage, is rampant with addictions and degeneracy. I refuse to engage in degeneracy, I will fight for my people.
>>25065708
The point of the rationality is to say that if everything is a matter of socio-economics, then why should I not choose the socio-economic condition that favors me the most? Why would I choose any other abstraction which does not sufficiently provide me with a healthy way of life or preserve my biological existence for future generations? Acting contrary to my racial biology has proven to my life to be unhealthy, therefor any ideology which does not take it into account is false to me.
>>25065715
Agreed. The jews ability is to deconstruct, he is a parasite. Jews cannot function without a host, that's why they place their faith in the coming Machine God, which will fail.
>>25065746
Perhaps, but it would have to be a form of globalization that is moderated, restricted, and does not contradict nature.
>>25065763
That's not my rationality, I was simply using the rationality of the Moral Relativist against him. I believe in Objective Reality, and that reality accounts for Racial Biology, which is demonstrable.
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great thread honestly, I'm not a fascist but it seems inevitable we'll be revisiting it
I've maintained for a while that fascism is an impulse that exists in all intelligent societies, and most people ITT have touched on that
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>>25065635
>An illustration of what you describe is the “pond of blood” in Iran, which, according to Adam Curtis, was created to celebrate the armies of schoolboys recruited to walk into minefields for the state during the Iran-Iraq War. Those volunteers were allegedly also given little golden keys said to unlock the gates of paradise. How true is this? Idk. But it’s incredibly alluring. How can you not be seduced by the prospect of a society mobilized into a fantastic, decadent theater of cruelty?
This is horrifying, the ruling class and the adults were too cowardly to protect children and I'm supposed to be inspired by this because they made a charade out of it? What is supposed to be alluring about this? It's just people marching other people to death for their own material gain, selfishness disguised as honor or whatever.