>transhumanist space opera
>SOL magic school sloppa
>edgefag shounenslop urbfan that's basically just Kamen Rider Ryuki vs Bleach meets The Magicians
Which one should I do?

>>25197503
if I was forced to pick between those 3 then
>SOL magic school sloppa

>>25197503
Writing just isn't for you, anon.

>>25197503
Do whatever you want. Stop asking for approval from random people on the internet. We don’t know what we’re doing either.

>>25197503
transhumanism is a cool theme and im eternally annoyed that every story featuring it is trans allegory
that being said you couldn't make me read a space opera under threat of torture
I yearn for unapologetic edgekino. everything out there is blunted with all the edge taken off
write the edgekino

>>25197479
What about a warrior that fights using mage hand to do martial arts?

>>25197511
why is this such a common response to the most innocuous questions? anon is clearly just looking to chat, what else is this thread for

https://youtu.be/onKtEPy1U48
Horror sci-fi mix straight from Romania. Enjoy anons!
>>25197513
There's some transhumanism in my book (mostly later) that's arguably a bit different...

>>25197527
I understand the annoyance. howie posting is endemic to creative spaces
no harm in taking some ideaguying and opinion askance in good faith but it's reasonable to take it in bad faith

>>25197520
could be kino
brings to mind ridiculous martial arts manga like baki and kengan
so long as there's overly elaborate explanations on the martial art forms that presents them as if they're the coolest shit ever I'd be on board

>>25197527
It's just a way for people to feel smart.
Same reason redditoids love to kill yes/no questions with WHY NOT BOTH xDDDD
It's just gutter-tier "banter".

>>25197520
I know people meme about it too much.
But that's a JoJo reference.

>>25197527
He’s describing his own ideas as slop.
Without passion, without pride, without the belief in one’s worth, why bother doing anything at all?
It’d be another thing if he says, guys, I have so many great ideas, I don’t know which to start first!

guys, I have so many great ideas, I don’t know which to start first!

>>25197576
I call my own stuff slop too, and it's slop I like. I'm not under any delusion I'm writing high literature, or even high quality genre fic. I'm making sloppy greasy hamburgers and I love both grilling and eating them
/wg/ is that way btw

>>25197577
Uh oh melty

>>25197582
being proud and feeling good about what you do has nothing to do with the status of it
plenty of proud cooks of good, greasy food

>>25197591
>>25197576
You're being disingenuous and obstinate on purpose.
Please don't insult our intelligence by pretending otherwise and instead skip to explaining the why.

>>25197591
you missed the point. slop is a perfectly valid way to describe a lot of webfic. it's not degrading the work, it's calling a spade a spade
nobody would argue that most of these stories have lasting artistic merit like real literature does. they're made to be sloppy fast food consumed for fun. and we like that here
again, /wg/ is that way. you're in the wrong thread

>>25197577
I'm the opposite. I keep starting shitty ideas.
>last idea: world where elves have almost no sexual dimorphism and males and females look and behave almost the same; MC is a prince that is unlikely to inherit the throne, but as he is seduced by a male elf he is caught in some political intrigue and a war
This idea has been copyrighted, don't bother stealing

>>25197603
>implying you can win a protracted legal battle against me
See you in court fuckhead.

>>25197607
haha your idea is gay

>>25197610
Traps are not gay

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>WN Updates
>ancient Alien Aryan schizo posting out of nowhere

>>25197603
This is gay (complimentary)

>>25197591
>>25197582
I have no idea what you homos are arguing about, but I suggest you get a discord together to cyberbugger one another.

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>>25197630
see >>25197611

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>>25197468
TFW I don't have an aspie mage gf

>>25197603
>This idea has been copyrighted, don't bother stealing
But I already read this doujin

>>25197603
silly bait, you can't copyright an idea

>>25197670
My friend is asking for the panda link

bros i fear my winnie is fucking boring
what do?

>>25197688
make it more interesting
hope this helps

>>25197692
what kinds of interesting things can i add to my winnie?

>>25197693
Trap elves

>>25197479
I just don't see how they wouldn't end up being mages of some sort. Even if you give them their own "internal energy" they would still end up being similar to mages in some sense.
Perhaps as the other guy mentioned: the way they use mana differs, therefore it's not that warriors "cast punch" but their punch carries mana with it.
>>25197458
Yeah that sounds about right. It's just a different application of magic.
Then again, maybe those two aren't that similar after all. Radio waves, microwaves (and their ovens), gamma radiation, and visible light are all "electromagnetic radiation" but they're also quite different things in the real world.
>>25197595
Things don't work that way. Nobody gets to decide what has "artistic merit" and what doesn't. In the long-term it's a question of what survives. Popular stories are far more likely to survive, therefore they will automatically have "artistic merit".
High brow literature isn't any more valuable than genre fics are. Snobbish people just pretend that's the case and nobody cares enough to tell them their current-popular-idea allegory is boring.

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>>25197697
okay thanks anon

>>25197342
Go check out Arcane Exfil, it might scratch this itch.

>slop report
>Beware of Chicken v7 c46
Fun chapter. I enjoy the meme of "cultivators do regular thing, but extreme." Reminds me of the drinking game scene from Sky Pride (several volumes ago), where a bunch of drunk cultivators are abusing their superhuman speed and reflexes to cheat at drinking games, while also playing high speed martial arts footsies under the table.
>Sky Pride v6 c23
Bit of an exposition chapter, but we gotta get the new cultivation art at some point and now is as good a time as ever.
>Max Level Archmage c139
Vivi picks her nose while the Archbishop heals a kid. Snore. I could do without the narration reminding me every third paragraph how hardcore and godly the dude is.
>Archmage Coefficient c34
Lesbians. Can't help but see the guy from The Good Doctor in my mind's eye through half these dialogue exchanges. Sometimes I'd like more wizarding and less autism, but I understand that it's settling into a School Fantasy rhythm which usually means more talking and less wizarding.
>William Oh c259
I love the stupid debuff sickle. It's such a fun item. I'd put it in a D&D campaign or something.
>Saintess Summons Skeletons c850
I didn't like the city building hook when it first arrived and then we fucked off on an adventure for a while. It's a little better now. I like the worldbuilding as vague as it is sometimes, because it strikes that balance of there being threats for low level characters but also a broad cast of high level assholes who just couldn't be bothered to clear out every rat infestation. Gotta leave some stuff for the lowbies.
>Stray Cat Strut v9 c21
RavensDagger tends to annoy me for not enough happening in any given chapter. Maybe that's due to the author juggling twenty stories or something. That trend continues here, but at least we finally got to the bottom of the situation in Montreal.
>Re:Deity v4 c16
For the "grand finale" it rushes through the actual fun bit. Too many characters, as usual, most of whom are irrelevant or boring. Not enough time is spent to really appreciate the trap or the reveal of the boss monster, so the fight feels like it ends before it really gets started. Maybe its my fault for speed reading this story sometimes but man there's so little at this point that actually makes me want to slow down and smell the roses here.

>>25197705
damn i thought you were listing off the specific chapters of immersive gunfight scenes off the dome lol

>>25197698
>High brow literature isn't any more valuable than genre fics are. Snobbish people just pretend that's the case and nobody cares enough to tell them their current-popular-idea allegory is boring.
I read a lot of slop, write it myself, and have way more fun with it than literature, but not a single web novel has remotely made me sit back and think about the human condition in the way various literature has.

>>25197705
I thought you dropped MLA

>>25197698
uncritical and stupid
there's a lot more to the merit of a story than whether or not it's popular, and those merits can be present in slop as well
many great novelists were sloppers of their times
not to say that webnovels should strive to be literary or anything but you're taking the reductionism too far

>>25197708
My autism isn't quite that powerful, sorry to disappoint.

>>25197717
It's in a low point at the moment but not drop worthy at the moment. Re:Deity, Draka, and Chronicles of an Isekai'd Legion are on the cut list at the moment. The latter two I'm already not up to date on, which is usually a bad sign for my continued engagement.

>>25197726
I could swear I remember the weekly review anon talking about dropping MLA
Are there two of you?

>>25197758
Probably? I've only been reading these threads for like a week now, in a bit of a gush phase since I don't have anywhere else to talk about the silly web stories. I posted my (too long) follow list here >>25193133.

>>25197770
Oh yeah then, this was a while ago

>>25197718
I didn't say that it's all about popularity, but rather that popularity makes it more likely that a story survives.
>>25197710
Why not? It's not like traditional literature is all that more insightful about what humans are truly like. They're not written by people who are experts in some field that factually knows what humans are like. All the oddities you see in web novels are about as true as your average traditional novel when it comes to the human condition.

Take Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment. People talk about it as though it's some incredible insight into the human mind, but it isn't. It's just fiction. If you look into how criminals behave then Raskolnikov's behavior is unusual. Regular people commit horrific crimes and rarely seem to get eaten up by it.

>>25197779
Which web novels compare to Dostoevsky to you?

>>25197688
The chapter I wrote today came out boring, too. I've got too much set up to get through. I think I'm going to add some b-plot padding to keep things interesting while the MC progresses his preparations.

I want to just summarize it but it doesn't quite fit the pacing to do so even though current events are kind of dragging. I dunno I might just rewrite the entire thing tomorrow.

>>25197779
That's because the novel form of literature is kinda shit for showing how people really are. You want to read ancient Greek plays and epic poems. That'll tell you how people really are.

>>25197779
crime and punishment is both a thriller and insightful to the particulars of people's experiences and thought processes. raskolinokov isn't supposed to be a realistic depiction of a statistically average killer. I've met, known, and to lesser or greater extents, been raskolinikov, marmelidov, and svidrigailov
of all the entertaining novels you could've used as evidence of the form lacking insight, this is probably the worst

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I'm gonna introduce a high fashion arc in my esoteric doomsdays wizards novel and I don't give a shit.

>>25197885
if its not as good as princess jelly fish I shall self edit

>>25197885
i would probably skim it but having the soul to give your web novel personal flair makes it endearing to your readers even if they don't like the current arc. readers can sniff out generic soulless sloppa

Would you read this story
>Incredibly ugly incel gets summoned as a hero
>Beats the demon king after being promised the princess's hand in marriage
>Princess immediately commits suicide because of how horrific he is
>The kingdom tries to find him alternate wives, but they all reject him.
Plot arcs would include:
>His fiancee trying to poison him on his wedding day
>His wife sobbing uncontrollably on the marital bed and lamenting being married to a monstrosity
>A gold digger who's just in it for the cash and status, who leads him on but never lets him do the deed
>The kingdom starts using him to clear up red light districts because his mere presence causes brothels to close up shop

>>25197962
no

>>25197962
who does this even appeal to? what part of this story is supposed to be fun?

>>25197962
I'd be more horrified if you managed to actually write this drivel.

>>25197962
>japanese humor

>>25197962
misogyny fueled hateslop would be hardly anything new but I don't really see the narrative appeal here
is it just a rumination on suffering or what?

>>25197966
It's supposed to be funny, a guy who is the saviour of the world can't even get laid
It's also a deconstruction of the trope of a loser getting isekaid and having women fawn all over him for no reason

>>25197980
You can't deconstruct something just for the end result to be the spiritual equivalent of reality.

>>25197980
>Deconstruction
Midwitslop

>>25197980
Well it's not funny so you may want to shelve the idea

>>25197962
The problem with this is you're too focused on le funny rejection scenes and not enough on the MC and his desires and how he acts to achieve them. He has barely any motivation and you've just put him in a position to suffer meaninglessly.

Give him a child and make him a single parent and he wants a wife not just for his own happiness but because he believes his child needs/deserves a mother figure, and then all that stuff happens, and it's WAY more compelling. Maybe the kid is adopted or some shit, or the kid got accidentally isekai'd with him so he feels responsible.

Now all the commentary about how he's ugly and incel has emotional weight, and the shallowness of the women comes through. Make it even more meaningful by having the women agree to it BEFORE he kills the demon king, and then AFTER when they need to fulfill their end of the bargain, they try and renege.

>>25197980
>deconstruction
unless you have examinations to make about the underlying principals or values or what have you then it's not a deconstruction, it's just satirizing
>having women fawn all over him for no reason
I was reading an isekai set up where OP MC normal guy-man gets summoned by the demon queen because the forces of humanity were summoning typical isekai protagonists who were all sex pest murderhobos and it was fucking up the whole world
not really my thing so I dropped it but I suspect what you're going for has already been done in a more interesting (and fun) way

>>25197980
I was talking about this earlier, actually, where some anons think because they can make a greentext about their premise that it's a good premise
You could maybe make a short story (2-5k words) that takes the piss out of this idea. It's a punchline premise and it has the same longevity as a joke: set it up, knock it down, and then your whole story is over
Completely unfitting for a proper web novel

>>25197994
as if 90% of webnovels aren't a hooky premise stretched into a serial

>>25197980
>It's supposed to be funny, a guy who is the saviour of the world can't even get laid
Misogyny alone isn't that funny. You gotta have a joke beyond
>wimmen shallow and bad, amiritegaiz?
Is his isekai cheat power based off his collection of SSR Pepes or something?

Also at some point you're just straddling the setups of Shield Hero and Redo of Healer, which is certainly an authorial path to take.

>>25197998
>Also at some point you're just straddling the setups of Shield Hero and Redo of Healer, which is certainly an authorial path to take.
Shield Hero and Redo are revenge fantasies which actually has a path toward a larger narrative. Anon's greentext was just misery suffering with no payoff.

>>25197996
Sure, but if anon is seeking advice on whether his idea works he needs to give an idea about where it stretches to rather than just the premise. Silly premises are very easy to make, it's how to extend them into a multiple book series

>>25197996
Also I kinda of just took you at face value but I think it's more like 30% are hooky premises, most actually popular series have clear narrative engines or are fairly generic setups

We talking deconstruction?
Let's do deconstruction.
System Progression fantasy.
Goal?
Make a pencil.
Yes I stole it from Friedman sue me

>>25197962
Sounds like misery porn.
>>25197980
>deconstruction
What are you deconstructing here?
>>25197998
His idea is shit, but it isnt misogynist.

>>25198038
>His idea is shit, but it isnt misogynist.
>women refuse to interact with the man who saved the world, is extremely powerful, wealthy, favored by king
>because he's UGLY lol
>women are soooooo shallow
don't kid yourself incel

Uh oh melty

>>25197998
>setups of Shield Hero and Redo of Healer
huh?

>>25198087
How could you possibly say "huh?" to such a clear statement?

>>25198089
Neither of those are like anons green text
The MC of Redo was actually driven insane and the first revenge target is is the princess that was sexually abusing him.
Shield hero is a little edgy at first but he turns into the standard anime protag that forgives everyone.

>>25197603
I'm more interested in this deconstruction of the straight genre.

>>25198103
>straddling the setups of
>let me explain how this one isn't actually identical to those so you're wrong lol

>Shirld Hero and Redo of a Healer
Please don't mention revenge slop here. Even sloppa wallowing has a limit.

>>25198108
How is it straddling the setups when it's completely different from either?

It's a male feminist. They haven't actually read either and are just going off of what they read on reddit.
They think if you depict a woman in any negative light (including a literal villain) it's misogynistic.
Something that even actual feminists don't think.
We need to gatekeep more so they don't slither in here.

>>25198111
pretty sure its just a standard retard
calm down

>>25198110
>whiny social rejection fantasy about women
>how is it not similar??
you can't be serious

>>25197962
Completely depends. How much of it is written already, is it on RR? I'll give it a read if I feel in the mood.

>>25198114
You keep demonstrating you haven't read them

Last night I had a dream that while walking down the street some jihaids were preparing to throw Tina Troon off of a building.
Tina was insisting he wasn't actually a homosexual. He recognized me and called out to me for help. "Anon! Tell them I'm not gay!".
The Jihadis asked me if that was true, so I replied "I've never seen this faggot before" and then they threw him off the building.

>>25198144
whos tina. was here couple nights ago heard this shit. whats the scoop.

>>25198144
hum. so you are saying that you dream about transexuals. wow. I'd brag about that, anon.

>>25198168
Schizo that can't write a coherent sentence to save his life

>>25198169
He's not actually a troon we just call him that because he writes femc

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>>25198169
>so you are saying that you dream about transexuals
Intentional misunderstanding
> I'd brag about that
Passive aggressive use of sarcasm
They're here

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>>25198193
so the image is the kind of faggots you dream of. ain't that special. anon just kys itll be less painful in the end that way.

That's it! I'm going to stop caring about the audience of any particular genre and write whatever I want to write!!!

>>25198199
>Literally just does it again
Holy fuck you are actually incapable of acting outside your programming, that's fucking hilarious.

are there any good free TL sites for gook webnovel?

>>25197603
The MC has to look like Guts and the Elven trapboipussy has to look like Griffith for the ultimate pandering.

Easy money for you and thank me later (Please I legitimately need stories with a deeper dive into Male x Male relationships)

>>25198038
>>25198049
>His idea is shit, but it isnt misogynist
Everything is misogyny for women and white knights.

>>25198195
Congrats, anon... or that's what I would've said if you had posted your story.

Do it or explode.

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>>25198195
Congrats anon!
Keep up the good work! More chapters equals more views!

>>25198208
how did you get to be such a gaylord. this isn't one of those gay or bi curious deals, no way, not dreaming of fags like you do. No, there was an uncle involved, wasn't there. Yeah, the drunken weird uncle used to babysit you. But you got to like it, and didn't really wanna tell on him. you're so fucked up, anon.

>>25197495
fuck you op i thought this was a webnovel cover

>>25197962
Your one and only joke has already been done by Japs in Tsukimichi. The goddess who summoned the MC made him appear like a hideous monster in the eyes of all humans. But his solution wasn't to keep failing like a retard. He went to bang monsters, since they see him as appealing (of course all the monsters are just hot girls with transformation powers).

>>25198261
With so few views, it must be kinoman again

>>25198049
How is that misogynist? Are you going to say there's no such thing as a shallow woman? I assure you, they exist. Just as surely as shallow men exist.

Reminder not to reply to Tinashit.

I thought this was original. Just an off the wall existential adventure kind of deal. I mean I'm tired of the same tropes all the time. so I went looking for a breath of fresh air to read.
https://www.scribblehub.com/series/2244075/cursed-crowned-crimson/

>>25198261
It's actually in the spreadsheet already. It's The Dragon And The Author. I just didn't want to be obnoxious about it.
>>25198263
Thanks, and will do!

>>25198276
oh, wonderful. its the threadly anon that manages to be more annoying that tina and kino put together by crying about it every 25 posts. I bet the no feMC ass anon will be along too. Be a fucking three ring circus and these clowns can juggle.

>>25198276
Not sure exactly what a tinashit is, but I think I might reply just to piss you off. You sound like one of those passive aggressive reddit fags.

>>25198283
Feeling called out, I see.

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>Selkie declares he's taking February off
>still plans 8 full volumes of Song
>current volume nowhere near any kind of resolution at 64 chapters over 500 pages
>radio silent through February and most of March
>comes back with a chapter in April saying he's busy and he's only guaranteeing chapters on Mondays, maybe Fridays too if he's feeling generous
>misses this last Monday's chapter on RR
>"busy with other projects"

He's totally dropping Song. Which is crazy because it has almost 2.5k followers and is in the top like 500 or some shit, crazy high. Although his patreon has dipped below $10k/mo.

The new chapter wasn't even good. Obviously no attempt to polish or edit the stuff that was already up on patreon.

My guess is he's making enough from KU and the publishing company he started that he doesn't actually need the income from his personal writing anymore, and since it's more of a vanity project if it's not peak success it's not worth continuing.

My opinion is that this just shows that half of success is just showing up. Taking that long break to start Song, and then a huge break after the initial launch is just not showing up, and it's hurting results. Shoulda just kept grinding.

>read a western fantasy webnovel by a chink/jap/gook
>character introduced
>names are like
>Jamal von Aryan
>Shalom ibn Himmler
>Sungwhon ap Guinness
>Garfunkle Bigglestein
>Ælfric du van der Piňole
>Aymer Hasta La Vista
>Baruch Linley
>Kahlua de la Boston
>Pleiades Dom Perignon
>Old Jim
>Old Carl
>Old Karl
>Carlos Heinekein Stella Artois
every single time

>>25198291
you're the same weirdo dreaming about faggots. aren't you. there's always one asshole shitting the thread up. I guess tonight that's (you). you must be a tranny. only reddit trannys can be this fucking annoying. YWNBAW.

>>25198283
>if you DARE ignore the thread schizo you're the DEMIURGE
shut the fuck up tina

>>25198303
2.5k followers is a failure by Selkie's standards
there are loads of novels on RR that are basically unknown yet somehow have 5k+ followers
for example Halosty's entire body of work

>>25198316
wait, I'm fully of shit. I was convinced Elder Cultivator had like 6k followers. apparently 3k. still more than Giftgiver.

What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

in this situation, spectral soul would post "What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?"

>>25198275
The misogyny is the implication that the women of the world collectively owe the Hero love, affection, and sex for saving their lives (directly or indirectly), which is a bit of a fucked up transactionary way of thinking about relationships. But then, he is called out to be an incel, so maybe he's just being written to the type. Hunchback of Notre Dame this plot is not.

>>25198303
Why the fuck do people keep throwing money at him even after getting nothing for it and being repeatedly told and shown their support means nothing to him and he doesn't respect them?

>>25198281
>multiple POVs
not my typa thing but I'm giving 5 stars just to support a nibba out.

Picking my story back up so it won't be on hiatus anymore. Going to try to force myself to update weekly.

>>25198416
I have many stories I follow that are on hiatus
you cruel monster... show your readers some mercy... mercy, mercy, oh please...

how do you get LLMs to produce plausible sounding classes/sub-classes, items and skills and such for fantasy sloppa?

>>25198446
Just steal from video games and tabletop-rpgs

>>25198456
is there no way to just feed every video game ever made into a machine and get a hefty helping of sloppa back

>>25198446
I just ask my girlfriend for ideas
could try that

>>25198446
My solution is to develop a game first, then give the LLM the details of that theoretical game.

>>25198460
They already did that when they trained them.
I asked it about the "Soul lens" from Monte Cookes Arcana Unleashed.
It told me that's not in Arcana Unleased and linked me a fucking pdf of it hosted on neocities.
When I asked it to do that again it said it couldn't post copyrighted material like that and even denied having done that at all.

>>25198446
I tell mine to "create #N names in the style of <insert your fave authors or books here>".

First time I did it for Iain Banks and the Culture books I was shocked how good the names generated were.

Weekly-ish chapter review

Pale Lights (patreon) : ouch , brutal chapter. Also , yay! We reached the cover art scene. 8/10
Years of the Apocalypse (patreon) : i like the new cover. I also loved the naval battles. 9/10
100 Reigns (patreon) : first of all , most patreon commenters are morons. Completely missing what tbe author is going for. The chapters themselves , hit and miss. The miss is mostly "this is what you patreon voters missed" teasing. Casval doing stupid dragon things is a good counter to the bleakness that Simon is going through. I hope the author can has the skill to manage the emotional character progression. 7/10
Attorney to the Villainess : ugh , third week we are stuck in slice of life chapters. Gets boring. 5/10
Looping MorronMagus : It feels really wierd to read from an MC is that is way stupider than the average reader. Especialy in a webnovel/timeloop story. Awseome finale though. 7/10

On Trial
Tbe Nanoapocalypse : I love the premice (not-Star Trek stuck on a Sysapocalypse planet) but the story is a borefest. I'm just sticking with it a bit more in case the author magicaly gets better. 4/10

>>25198588
Reddit the post

>>25198588
Also forgot
Player 0.4 : It's wierd this is almost not a timeloop story anymore. How will the author wrap it up? 5/10
Apocalypse Reborn : "This meeting could have been an email". 5/10

>>25198446
Out of all things this is not hard. I just asked Claude plainly and it spat out a list of fairly ok ones.

>>25197962
Sounds like some retarded gooner shit.

>>25197962
You sound like you absolutely hate isekai. It's evident in your premise alone and readers can sense that as they read your slop.

as the other anon said, tsukimichi has already done that as a premise and found its answer to solving the MCs hideousness.

you however, want to string readers along with your misery porn but without the payoff.

You're even worse than KR webnovels and I hope you use my disdain as fuel to write your dogshit premise and prove me wrong.

>>25197962
I think he would have to also act like a total freak for that to happen

>>25198257
This is an interesting thought. I don't really consume gay media, but how do you envision this sort of relationship? I'm guessing what makes it interesting in the power dynamic as the male elf manipulates NotGuts in a more wicked way than a real woman would.

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>>25198879
Part of what makes Guts and Griffith's dynamics hot is that Guts wanted to grow and stand equal with him so he can be a worthy friend and comrade since he viewed Griffith in pretty high standards pre-Femto while Griffith wants to keep him on a leash yet could never do so.

Had Guts been more communicative with his plans, Griffith probably would've understood it but still reluctantly lets him go since he is a possessive megalomaniac narcissist whatever. Think of him as a power bottom.

Griffith sees Guts as a pawn, maybe even more than a pawn, something too dangerous that he can't let go. That for the first time in his life, his tireless pursuit for power, he couldn't imagine achieving that world without Guts by his side. He almost made him forget his dream, which was to obtain his own kingdom.

Would Guts be the knight in shining armor by his side? or would Guts be the ideal King for his power bottom behavior?

Anyways, I'm lovesick again knowing I'll never form a brotherhood with another man so straight that it ends up being gay in the eyes of many.

>>25198283
It's one of the general-mandated threadshitters who purposely tries to sabotage any actual attempt at discussing literature. He's the same kind of newfag who took it as a personal attack that /sffg/ had discussion prompts in the OP instead of a generic stock copypaste so people can talk about the same books every single thread.

Reminder >>25198276 this faggot is worse than a nigger; he's a wigger.

>>25198303
>Selkie
stopped reading right there

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>Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess
>by cocopi
5/5; absolute peak

>>25198588
I appreciate these mini-reviews, anon. It's interesting to see what people are reading and how a reader reacts on a chapter by chapter basis. It helps me keep in mind I need to be entertaining with every single chapter.

>>25198943
>Reminder >>25198276 this faggot is worse than a nigger; he's a wigger.
i just know imma going to regret asking but if we're anonymous how does anyone know. this just sounds silly. i keep popping in here. one time itll be a decent writing and reading discussion. next time its gradeschool. its like this board has no real culture of its own that can be depended on.

>>25199110
I can't help it. BTDEM was one of my first, if not my actual first, webnovels and I followed it for years until the end. I've got fond memories of going on vacations and spending all day in a hotel bed binge reading/re-reading the earlier good arcs.

I actually really want to do the same for Azarinth Healer but I can't bring myself to do so for some reason. And I still haven't checked out Journey to Veresavir, though I've meant to since it launched.

Anyway it's fun to follow Selkie's career since he's so... I don't know. I disagree with much of his personal politics and even some of his narrative decisions, but his prose is enjoyable enough to read and the settings are more interesting than not.

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>>25199259
>anon discovers /[board]/ is more than one person
Look, you're supposed to lurk for at least two years before you start posting. If you want homogeneity, there are much gayer forums for that.

>>25199277

i don't disagree with you but imagine shelling out for the cuck pass

>>25199317
>>25199277
for TWELVE YEARS IN A ROW

>>25199277
oh fuck off. I'm no tourist. I go many places and I absorb all kinds of little writing tips and tricks here there everywhere. you faggots act like you know something special. This is a great place to lurk and sort through the bullshit to find the diamonds in the rough tips. Its just cancer to try to engage here. I literally mean cancer. If you can imagine cutting off the whole hand to get rid of one tip of one finger that has cancer, that's it. The way you try to deal with anything is worse than what you're trying to deal with. plus its obviously ineffective. spectral soul will do, will be back. so will no fem MC. Hell last thread I saw dick pics. You're just making it worse. And no I don't have your answer.

>>25199323
I make 50-100 posts per day. The sheer amount of time I save not bothering with the captcha more than pays for itself.
An extra thousand seconds a day really adds up over time.

>>25199357
yeah ok fair

>>25199357
Have you considered posting less?
don't @ me btw, I don't care about your answer, dumb retard cuck paypiggy.

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>I'm no tourist. I go many places

That line kinda goes hard not gonna lie. I love that rhetorical flourish of a bold claim and then immediately undercutting it in the same breath. It's almost Shakespearean.

Okay. How about a system where an increase in stat is reflected on the body?
Increasing your Strength makes your muscles grow bigger, and increasing your Charisma makes you more handsome/beautiful.
So high-level male and female warriors are seven-foot-tall hulking monsters, while mages are generally quite short and frail but possess ridiculously high IQs.
The problem is that increasing one’s stats isn’t as easy as killing a bunch of mobs. Leveling up works like in Skyrim, where you need to engage in specific activities to increase a skill. Swing a club often and you’ll earn Club Lv. 2 and +1 STR. Read a lot of books and you’ll earn Reading Comprehension Lv. 2 and +1 INT.
As a result, the wealthy are the only people who can afford to invest the resources necessary to become handsome mages. Meanwhile, the working class tends to end up as warriors, farmers, hunters, blacksmiths, and other STR/DEX-based classes. And not even particularly powerful ones, since they have limited resources to work with.
What you end up with is a caste system where magic users sit at the top, while warriors sit near the bottom and are valued mainly as cannon fodder. Even then, their usefulness is questionable, considering a mage can wave a hand and wipe out an entire army. Among the ruling class, even having muscle is seen as vulgar, since it’s something only the lower classes possess.
Now, the MC is the young master of a powerful mage family who learns that there are demons with immunity to magic. He must now embark on the path of a warrior and face the ridicule of those around him in order to prepare for the coming cataclysm. Along the way, he adds one buff, but self-conscious, amazoness after another to his harem.
What do you think?
(Even without the whole mage vs warrior premise, I like the Skyrim leveling system, so I’ll probably rework it to a few more ideas before commiting.)

>>25199375
> Increasing your Strength makes your muscles grow bigger
That's 50% of all system books. What on earth made you think this and the rest was an original idea?

>>25199371
"Therefore, you. Clown. Abandons the society of this female. I will deal with thee in poison. I will kill thee? A hundred and fifty ways."

>>25199375
>Now, the MC is the young master of a powerful mage family who learns that there are demons with immunity to magic.
Make it a bit more personal. Like have a magic-immune demon come and kill his entire family while he's away so he's knocked down a peg and has a reason to seek revenge against that demon in particular and all others like him.
MCs need concrete motivation to drive their actions and give them a sense of agency.

How the fuck did I get banned for replying to the Spectral Faggot? This spammer has some pocket janny to guard his honor jesus christ

>>25199400
yet you seem to be posting just fine. or did you mean you just got back after a ban.

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>>25199409

>>25199413
yes. I look just like that. kek. what i meant was he could have used another phone or something.

>>25199382
I didn’t say it was an original idea. I said it was my idea.

>>25199259
That shitposter has a clear distinct pattern which is easy to spot.

>>25199398
That’s good advice, but I kind of want to go with the rising genius turns family’s disappointment trope.
Growing up, he thought he was hot shit and looked down on the lower classes, just like everyone else. Until he found himself face-to-face with a demon and learned what helplessness felt like.
Some STR-based character, maybe his female bodyguard, rescued him. And now he’s the only one who takes the demon threat seriously, while everyone else waves it off and says it’s fine. Demons are so rare that worrying about them is like being afraid of a shark attack every time you go into the water. Besides, that’s what having a cannon-fodder bodyguard is for.
But who knows, maybe I’ll end up going with something like what you suggested.

>>25199429
Point out which posts are his

>>25199442
Well if you make the demon threat that rare it really isn't worth worrying about, especially if normal low class warriors can handle them. It's like the rock paper scissors of psychopaths autists and normalfags.

I think it could be good with some fine tuning.

>>25199460
No, that’s what the ruling class believes. Only, the MC understands that the demons are a real threat, like a volcano waiting to erupt and bring down their entire civilization.
Like how in JRPGs, the end game, world ending bosses tend to be immune to magic. Sure, in the early game, there are a few weak monsters with immunity to specific spells here and there, but after a while, the difficulty ramps up, and STR and DEX are far more valuable stats in the long run.

>>25199416
Isn't that ban evasion?

>he stepped a second to the side, the sun dimming by a few degrees
Is this a clear enough way to convey a dimensional shift?
I'm trying to go for something that's evocative but understated.

>>25199582
How can someone step a second? I've seen people take one step, even move a feet to the side, but never step a second forward, backward, or to the side.

>>25199586
By being a person who has access to spacetime manipulation.

>>25199582
nope, it doesn't convey anything and it's certainly not evocative.

>>25199582
>Dimming by a few degrees
Could be read as just moving into shade. I think you need just one extra beat to make the reader certain of what's happening. Something unambiguously not normal. Just mentioning something like that once and moving on will keep the understated energy I think.

>>25199582
Why be understated when you can add more words to pad out the word count?
He shifted a second forward in time, the sun dimming as space and time warped around him. One moment, he was there. Then, in an instant, he reappeared to the side, avoiding the slash by a hair’s breadth.

I am nearing the end of anon's book and I have been invested enough to hope he sticks the landing. I do like the back half more than the front, it felt smoother once the plot really kicked in.
I was sitting on the shitter getting a couple pages read during my morning shit, thinking about my own black sun amirite fellas

>>25199624
That's hard for esl.

>>25199645
>He shifted a second forward in time, the sun dimming as space and time warped around him. One moment, he was there. Then, in an instant, he reappeared to the side, avoiding the slash by a hair’s breadth.
>Dia bergeser maju sedetik, matahari meredup saat ruang dan waktu berputar di sekelilingnya. Suatu saat, dia ada di sana. Kemudian, dalam sekejap, dia muncul kembali ke samping, menghindari tebasan sehelai rambut pun.

One of you tell me if bottom is hard to read. Or did you mean it's hard for esl to write?

How do you know what a chapter should be about?

>>25199738
how do you know what sentence should be about? it's informed by the surrounding context and end goal of what you mean to say

>>25199738
are questions like these real or just low effort bait?

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>>25199755
Wrong it should actually be dopamine delivery by number going up.
Sentences should describe number going up.
Chapters should be about number going up a lot.
Volumes should be about new ways number can go up, and those numbers going way up.

>>25199766
it does feel like the majority of then are low effort engagement bait by someone way too invested in the thread's activity
they're way too frequent and all shallow

>>25199711
I meant it's hard for ESLs to write like >>25199624
Talking about specific things or a subjects is managable but just writing nice sounding and coherent sentences (with correct grammar) basically about nothing is hard. Same with having a small talk irl, ESLs suck at it.

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>>25199820
>10k words of glossary
Holy

>>25199456
>Point out which posts are his
yes. perhaps he is here right now and you don't know. your campaign is far from effective.

>>25199825
Now that's wordcount inflation if I've ever seen it.

>>25199553
we shall see.

>>25199820
Greetings kino, from you know who. Welcome.

>>25199847
Based Tina.
We are gonna do it.

>>25199825
Kinoman does not fuck about.

>>25199853
we will succeed.

Which other web novels are as good as lord of the mysteries?

>>25199853
These pigs have read my words, and enjoyed them. When they do now know who wrote them, they did extol their virtues. Their lamentations will be great when I make it. Their tears will fuel my joy. My ascension shall be messianic.

>>25199863
This.

>>25199777
Yet apparently deep enough that you can’t answer it and instead concoct some nonsense conspiracy about low effort engagement.

What are gu?

>>25199889
nta but it's precisely because it's impossible to answer it fully without writing a 10 page essay that makes it a supremely retarded question and come off as bait
it's only one sliver more specific than "how do I write well?" and I desperately hope you see how retarded that question is to just drop into a 4chan thread apropos nothing

>>25197495
If Japan has isekai and shonen, China has cultivation, Korea has regression and system, what does the west have? Superheroes?

>>25199917
the west seems to have smut futa stories.

>>25199917
they have the same things but "ironic"

>>25199889
>>25199738
You’re serious?
Alright, then.
Think about where you want the story to go, then break down the steps needed to get there.
The hero needs to kill a dragon.
Chapter 1: Idyllic village life, ending with a dragon’s sudden attack.
Chapter 2: Surviving the attack, with the MC losing his family.
Chapter 3: The MC wrestles with what to do next, then ultimately decides to hunt the dragon despite others warning him not to.
Chapter 4: He sets out through the forest and comes across a merchant surrounded by goblins. He defeats them and gains his first companion.
And so on, and so on.

>>25198338
Much appreciated mate.

>>25199917
The west has superHERoe gooner shit.

>>25199917
pretty much. if you're assigning cultivation to china then the west should be assigned tolkien/sanderson fantasy
>korea has system
I'd ascribe hunters to korea over systems. systems are a japanese light novel thing

>>25199738
>>25199889
>simple question
>only ever engages past pinching off the turd of his shitpost to defend it
get a friend group to talk to holy shit

>>25199777
>>25199991
It's likely the "don't reply to tinashit" threadshitter.

>>25199917
Are you asking who created what or what's most popular for each?

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Hello. I'm not necessarily looking for a web novel, but I reckon a web novel is more likely to fit my criteria than a regular book.
I'm looking for monster romance with a female monster, preferably in the modern times and with urban fantasy elements. Horror is welcome. I'd also like there to be a good plot besides the romance itself. A yandere-esque monstergirl is a bonus but not required.
Thank you very much for any recommendations.

>>25200007
m/f only or yuri fine?

>>25199738
I preplanned it in the 1sentence bullet point outline I did. And had it rewritten in the first draft already, so what I am writing is either the second or third draft that arrives in reader's hands already.

>>25200008
I prefer m/f but I'm so starved that yuri would work too.

>>25200001
>random tina defense
I have no idea which of the two thread retards you are since the only ones who like either of you are each other, but please shut the fuck up
you're both tolerable when you find it in your medication to act normal

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>people saying don't reply to bait are trolls

It's really so hard to just talk about webnovels, not talk about/to thread personalities (actual trolls), or let the general be silent when nobody has anything to discuss.

If only there was another hit novel like MLA to discuss and keep us all sane.

>>25200023
You will always be a wigger lol

>>25200031
what've you been reading lately anon?
I keep bouncing off things and I'm waiting for my follow list to build up a backlog so I can binge

>>25200031
>f*mc slop
>hit
This is bait, right?

>>25199917
Superheroes fit the bill the most, yeah.
Up and including the part where making a comparatively "normal" story into a superhero one might be the price exacted by a publish or audience in order to gain traction/non superhero stories IH might be absorbed into superhero verses later on.
Komandi was a legally distinct planet of the apes/Tarzan but they regularly cross it over with the main verse nowadays Just Because.
Constantine needs to routinely refresh his existing license by being in proximity to the Justice League.
Etc.

Why are we getting raided?

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>>25200076
We're getting raided?

>>25200053
I know you're just baiting with the femc remark but it's genuinely insane the stats MLA pulled. It broke almost every record by a landslide. It's #6 most followed on the entire site in less than a year. Everything above it is more than 3 years old (MLA is 10 months). And that 3 year old one, Super Supportive, is its ownmassive unusual hit.
The rest are 5+ years old
A freak hit even compared to other freak hits. Seems like it's falling off hard on Patreon though

>>25200007
>I'm looking for monster romance with a female monster
good taste
if you find one, post about it

>>25200053
>>25200102
also every single other story in the top 10 most followers is Male MC. so it did all of that while being femslop which doesn't fit the mold
to this day I wonder how it happened, most people call it mid when they talk about it

>>25200007
Did she just messatsu that child

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>>25200047
Objects in Motion. Somehow I missed that the author of Paranoid Mage started another new fiction and it's actually something that piqued my interest unlike the sun scifi thing and system delenda est. It's super hero capeshit but decent, I like inertia as a theme and thing he did a great job incorporating it as such. It's going to stub soon so it's worth downloading now.

Otherwise not much. I'm behind on a bunch of japanese LNs and some stuff on RS that I followed and read a few chapters of, like Five Element Overlord. I still haven't even finished Dungeon Diver and that guy's up to chapter 28 already and posting daily, so I just fall further and further behind.

It doesn't help I want to write reviews but feel bad not reviewing at the latest posted chapter so I feel it hanging over my head all the time. Today I won't read shit either I'm watching a bunch of anime instead.

>>25200111
I joke about it a lot but I honestly believe it was a money laundering operation. Sure it picked up hard but I think at least half the money it made was money laundering and then fake it til you make it kicked in and everyone was reading it just because it was topping every chart.

>>25200139
I wonder why more people don't do that if it's so easy
I can't even imagine the headache of botting so many financial transactions, though. Are there services that make that easy in a smooth curve so it's not super obvious?

>sudden impulse to write a story in second person
surely this is symptomatic of bad decision making. talk me out of it

>>25200175
you're gonna be a glorified asmr video

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>>25200007
>monster romance with a female monster
>preferably in the modern times and with urban fantasy elements
>Horror is welcome
>A yandere-esque monstergirl is a bonus but not required.
What the actual fuck, are you me? This is literally what I'm trying to write rn. Plot is about a flesh eating harpy that keeps reviving her lover after they die. Probably gonna be Yuri though I've gone back and forth on it. Here a rough draft of the opening if anyone's interested

>>25200023
>but please shut the fuck up
not your general, not your fucking hugbox, scooter. Fuck off.

>>25200199
I've been wanting to write a story for myself, since I just can't find something to scratch that itch, but looks like you got it. I'm interested, please drop the title you're gonna use so I can find it when you decide to publish. Shame it's gonna be yuri, but you do what you think best.

>>25200007
I think Katakepsis has all that

>>25200243
Thank you very much.

>>25200235
Thanks! Haven't really decided on a title yet, but it's probably going to be something with Harpy in it

>>25200243
a monsterfucker isn't likely to like katalepsis but it is actually the perfect recommendation purely on anon's criteria

i poked through some of the titles on the ongoing and completed categories of the excel list and when i finish black sun im going to check out stranger's fate then crow and the rabbit
^_^
the joy of reading!

>>25200571
based enjoyer
post your first impression thoughts on jumping into something and your final thoughts when you finish
opinions are nice to see

Is it bad that I'm actually enjoying it when I find irredeemable shit in my backlog since it means I get to check off all that author's works?

>>25200642
It's understandable but yes it's bad, writers can evolve / improve. People like you are why account hopping is a thing.

>>25200642
couldn't imagine
I don't remember any webnovel author unless I really like one of their stories

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I got a nice comment

I don’t understand why Westerners love the sound of their narration so much.
I don’t care about sunlight beaming through the leaves and painting dots of gold on your buttcheeks, or the rain hammering down like sheets of nails on the chalked earth, and I especially don’t care about that time your uncle took you on a hunting trip in the Appalachians after you lost your tooth in a fistfight.
I don’t care about you. I don’t care about your trauma or what brand of autism you have swirling around inside your head. You are a faceless camera I use to see the world. You could be a limbless, dickless nugget for all I care. So get to the point and move the story along already!
Or take a page out of older books and focus on the dialogue and banter. At least there would be some kind of interplay going on, instead of some millennial fuckface’s poorly disguised rant against capitalism.
God, four hours wasted and I couldn’t find a single good book on Royal Road or Amazon to fill the void. Why the fuck was Eminence in Shadow book 7 so damn short?

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>>25200689
>went to royal road
>somehow found contemporary litfic and apparently memoirs
Skill issue.
Try Beware of Chicken, 1% Lifesteal, or Dungeon Crawler Carl. I don't know what your taste is other than LN. Saga of Tanya the Evil maybe? Or Ascendance of a Bookworm.

>>25200689
I could use more rich description in my webnovels to be honestly desu with you
>author is trying to convince me of an exciting adventure in a vibrant world
>prose is a white room screenplay script

>>25200651
>bad, writers can evolve / improve
It was their 9th book and not only did both main conflicts make no fucking sense (one of them for three separate, crippling reasons), but the writer kept forgetting shit they wrote and having plot progressing conversations offscreen while the story would just follow fights with unclear stakes and small talk.

Also just a shitton of obvious twists just for the sake of having twists that did nothing but harm the story.

Honestly, I gave the writer more of a chance than I should have given they very obviously weren't planning their story out properly. I'll give you an example. The story starts with the MC going grocery shopping. As she enters the store, she's confronted by 3 security guards that tell her she needs to leave because she's making the other customers uncomfortable. She refuses so
>they pull batons and guns on her
and
>she executes them with magic swords she had hidden on her person, gets her groceries, and robs the register
At this point I'm thinking, oh, they could tell she was a demon and she wasn't going to starve in the face of racism, so she just did the pragmatic thing and killed/robbed the violent racists.

Except no, the author confirms later on that magic ISN'T public knowledge, and the MC just executed those guards who were just doing their job because they were in her way...with supernatural powers...in a public place. Also she's apparently killed thousands of people before, but she hasn't been arrested/revealed magic somehow. But it's okay because she was just doing that shit because she was magically stripped of her emotions including empathy and also she only killed evil people and people that threatened her. Literally the second paragraph is her going over her moral code.

And none of this resolves why the fuck everyone in the grocery store thought she was a threat.

Also this random murder has fuck all to do with the rest of the plot. She leaves town because her father who abandoned her for no reason and is pretending to be dead for no reason and pretending to be a rebel against his own dynasty for no reason sent assassins after her for no reason shortly after this. Seriously, the assassins only exist to misdirect the audience away from the fact that the person in charge of Hell is actually a traitor against her Satan dad who decided to fight them by...defecting with virtually all his closest supporters, faking his death, and starting a civil war instead of just arresting/killing them with the overwhelming support and force he actively enjoyed. Their existence makes no fucking sense. The traitor sends a guard to get her to hell alive so she can be a figurehead in the civil war she is badly losing and her father wants her to either stay on Earth or join him, not to die, and he could and eventually does easily achieve that with a simple conversation the second his minions stop trying to kill her for no reason. Neither side wants her dead. The plot happens for no reason.

>>25200755
>inconsistencies
>aspects of the story don't relate to each other
>9 (nine!) whole books and no sign of improved writing ability
AI mayhaps

>>25200689
>I don’t understand why Westerners love the sound of their narration so much.
Helps break up the dialogue. If you go too dialogue heavy, your writing can feel dry, contextless, and too fast paced. Generally scenes will either have a dialogue focus or an action focus, and including elements of the other helps slow the pacing down.

Also some of us have rich imaginations that are helped by more details. I just finished a novel where the author never even gave the hair/eye color of the fucking main antagonist despite him being a twist antagonist present for most of the fucking book. I get that he's tall, muscular, and has broad shoulders, but I need fucking more than that. FFS.

>>25200765
>AI mayhaps
It read more like just regular bad writing mistakes than AI. This is the sort of shit I'd expect from a half-assed CW show. They were narrative inconsistencies, like a writer changing their mind about something, but forgetting what they wrote.

As an example, the main character worked as an assassin for a while and reveals this in passing to another character in an early scene, but then much later it's revealed they met while she was working as an assassin so the reveal makes no sense in retrospect. Obviously the writer forgot they wrote her finding out about that shit for the first time in an earlier chapter. They were writing 3 serialized books set in the same universe at the same time, so it's easy to imagine they forgot what they wrote months ago, but sitting down and reading one book through and it was obvious they were doing a half-assed job.

>>25200806
Honestly as godawful as the book turned out to be, it at least made me appreciate the next thing I read that also turned out to have a ton of twists in it, since they all fit together fine other than 1 plot hole you could handwave away.

The writer obviously fucked up, but at least I'm still able to construct a coherent narrative even with their fuckup with a believable if not necessarily reasonable assumption. In comparison, that shitshow I read before it was in no fucking way salvageable.

>>25200689
Older books dont have dialog or banter.

>spent two fucking days on 200 words simply meant to relocate my characters from some boring place back to their house
i don't think i'm cut out for website novellas

>>25199413
>brainlet
>don't have meme save locally, so goggle image searches it
>finds an image thumbnail from one of those sites that mass produces stickers based on appropriated memes
>thinks nobody will notice

>>25200870
It can be tricky. Try doing it in 600 or 1000 words next time. Just let the words flow and don't try to be concise. Conserving wordcount is a poet's business anyway.

>>25200870
writers block is real and its retarded
dumbass mental block that never truly goes away. the arms race between my coping mechanisms and my mental block's ability to come up with pointless hurdles is a constant back and forth
good luck

>>25200882
but holy shit anon it is a REALLY boring place
i just need to get them from the outside into the inside
i need to use words to move their BODIES into a HOUSE but im too RETARDED to do so
it feels so awkward to just say it when my narration up until this point has been marching on in real-time cataloguing every action and movement
it made sense then because there was a lot of action and talking about important things that were worth narrating but now all the important things and actions have been said and done and they just need to fucking MOOOVE

>>25200885
>my coping mechanisms
one of my coping mechanisms has been to try and flesh out the flavour of the setting and the worldbuilding and different institutions but i fucking hate doing it
and the more i do it the more i realise i don't want to tell a story in this world i've accidentally made i just want to tell a story about my guy
so the thing i do to feel productive in the time i'm not writing is making me not want to write even harder

>>25200893
focus on what you love
having a way to force engaging with writing that in itself is like pulling teeth for you seems counter productive

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>>25200852
How old are we talking here?

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>>25200755
This description makes me so sad while I autistically memorize all of the parts of naval rigging to reference them accurately, and study the construction of said vessels to I know what parts of the boat aren't needed for ship that flies so that I can remove them.
Then you go an tell me that some author writes 9 books, with basic major logical inconsistencies. While, and let me stress this, the main character is "grocery shopping".
It's not like they are writing Shenmue here where that would make a modicum of goddamn sense.
>she wasn't going to starve in the face of racism
What is the fucking Bright is this bullshit?

>>25200889
Sneak it in as part of a sentence that actually moves the plot along.

They walked through the yard and into the house and Billy turned to Mandy with a horrified expression on his face. Oh my god, he said.
What? She replied.
The plot. The plot. The fucking plot is happening aaaaaagh.

>>25200914
but billy would never say that though

>>25199917
The west has feminism and jewish identity and it's awful.

>>25200916
The Journey of Billy and Mandy
Appears to be the only evidence of "oh my god" being used anywhere throughout the Billy and Mandy series and includes the following lines.
>Billy: Grim, if you keep standing in my way, I swear to God, I'm going to beat you until you're unrecognizable. Got it?
>Billy: Thank god!
>Billy: God, shut up! Everyone just shut the hell up!
>Mandy: Billy? Billy! Oh my god!
Given his references to god in this context, and his frequent proximity to Mandy. It's almost certain that he would actually utter "oh my god".

>>25200689
> Why the fuck was Eminence in Shadow book 7 so damn short?
Didn't know it released, by going by how long it took for vol 6/7 to come out, and the quality of vol 5-6 compared to previous vols, we can safely assume it's because the author ran out of ideas

>>25200689
I do like all of that though, the more the better

>>25200918
>feminist authors
>jewish publishers
>coomer/gooner readers
The West has fallen.

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>>25200918
a horrible but deserved fate

>>25200933
too late i've already rated it one-star

do readers actually rate webnovels poorly if they don't agree with a character's arc/how they behave, even if they're just too stupid to have seen it foreshadowed?

>>25197603
This idea would be good if the lead was a beefy, hairy, middle aged human man from planet earth who is given the power to impregnate elves of either sex.

>>25198049
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>>25197977
>misogyny is when you make fun of a man

Welcome back raiders

>>25197603
Oh, like Bernard Boursicot and Shi Pei Pu.
>Boursicot first met Shi Pei Pu in China while posted to the French Embassy in Peking as an accountant in 1964. They met at a party just before Christmas held by Claude Chayet at the French Embassy and shortly began a relationship.[2] Reporter Joyce Wadler, who wrote the book Liaison about the affair, would later attribute Boursicot's belief that Shi was a woman to Shi's unique ability to retract his own testicles, which, combined with the manipulation of his own penis, created the illusion of labial lips and a clitoris and allowed for shallow penetration.[2]
>In 1965, Shi claimed to be pregnant and was able to use a baby boy called Shi Du Du (later called Bertrand by Boursicot and his family), who had been bought from a doctor in Xinjiang,[3] and was a Uyghur.[4] Boursicot believed he was a mixed-race Chinese and French, and that there was a family resemblance between him and the boy.[2][5]
>Over the next decade, they continued their on-again off-again affair as Boursicot moved from posting to posting in Southeast Asia. During this period Boursicot embraced his own bisexuality, having multiple liaisons with women while also engaged in a long-term relationship with a Frenchman named Thierry, with whom he one day hoped to form a family including Shi Pei Pu and Bertrand.[2] Boursicot has stated that he began passing documents to Shi when the Chinese Cultural Revolution made it difficult for him to see him. He was approached by a member of the Chinese secret service, "Kang", who offered him access to Shi in exchange for his passing documents. He believed Shi's safety was at risk if he failed to participate.[5]

>>25201234
based straight Bara enjoyer.

>>25201267
Sounds terrible. Read Reverend Insanity instead.

>>25200102
>MLA
Male lubrication angel?

>>25201267
The fuck is wrong with the French and the Chinese?

>>25200875
>an image is an image
>anon wanted one and found it
>doesn't matter if its saved or found
>autism: the post

>>25201340
more like Maximum Literary Achievement

So there are no web novels as good as lord of the mysteries?

>>25200755
This post really speaks to the power of putting boobs on the cover. Marketing is EVERYTHING. This guy read so much slop hoping it would justify the cover/blurb/premise.
Marketing is simply OP.

How come literary writers and web (read anime) novel have generals, but genre writers don't have one?

>>25201521
Because no one has made one. How do you think 4chan works, lol

>>25201222
Absolutely yes. I have 0.5 star ratings on chapters 1, B, C, and 45. 1 is obviously someone felt betrayed in that chapter compared to the blurb/cover/premise. B had a moment where I can see the comment by the guy who obviously rated. C had a long sperg out about characterization and how that's not realistic when the story is tagged fantasy to begin with: ironically I may have written too realistically up to that point and not lampshaded that this is a work of fiction and the MC is made up to be more interesting than reality.

48 I think was either someone clicking through to the end so I couldn't report their rating, or I don't know what. It's just a normal chapter. No way someone read that many chapters just to decide the story was worse than incomprehensible garbage. Although come to think of it it might have been someone mad I blocked them before they could rate, so they spun up an alt-account. Who knows?

Personally I think ratings of 1 or below should be REQUIRED to have a written review attached. It's trivial to write 50 words about why something bad is bad, and would only impact emotional retards hate-rating without a good reason. "Uhhh da main character didn't kill da bandit in chaptuh twee so he stupid ugh just like my teachuhs at schoo"

However these haters seem to be equal opportunity retards so everyone suffers from bad ratings. The good stories rise to the top of RR on the strength and size of their fanbase, not by avoiding haters. Above a 3.9 rating, only follower count and comment activity on the latest chapters really matter, in my opinion. It's also why Rising Stars is a better way to find good stories than Best Rated.

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>>25201521
I don't actually know what people are talking about when they say "genre fiction." Doesn't every book have a genre? Memoir is a genre. Scifi is a genre. Why isn't "literary" a genre? (I think it is: classical, like music.) I get that people are using the phrase as a pejorative I just don't understand what it means semantically.

>>25201534
I see literary as contemporary stuff that takes place in the real world without any supernatural or fantastical force that is explained by the rules of the setting (by that I only truly mean one shy miracle is allowed if your story is religious), and you must want to say something about human nature or whatever. Your story must not be about an adventure, or an crime, or about a monster, etc. Though those things may appear, the story must really be about the human condition on this Earth.

>>25201534
a genre fiction is one where the genre informs the content of the work, rather than the work being... the other way around, or something
sorry i can't think of words right now but you know what i mean, the "genre" modifier means it's written a specific genre and its audience in mind

>>25201521
Basically because they're such a tiny minority here. Those who would have become genre writers instead went into webnovels. Because it's basically the same thing, just with zero barrier to entry. Yes the market and audience preferences are not the same but it's close enough.

>>25200571
I finished the book and enjoyed the ending. I did not see what happened... happening, so it was a very pleasant surprise. I should really write up my thoughts in a notepad file to get some organization and throw it in the start of the next thread.

>>25201521
/wg/ is for both genre and literary fiction, there's just one or two vocal seethers who pretend it isn't. back in the day before the /wng/ split those seethers tried to make a literary fiction general and it died within days.
most people in /wg/ that actually write instead of talk about writing write genre

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>>25201392
samefag

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Today I decided to make my chapter super interesting. It has TWO cliffhangers!

i'm new to webnovels, but i'm reading kumo desu ga nani ka right now and there's an incest subplot in there. does it get resolved in a normal way? is incest a common thing in webnovels or is it just a japanese thing?

>>25201954
thats a Japanese thing. the West is annoyingly pearl-clutching in fiction

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>>25201954
>does it get resolved in a normal way?
No. They don't wind up hooking up. It's more just to play up how yandere she is. Keep in mind Shun is the dense protagonist stereotype.
Incest is incredibly rare outside of Japan. I think it's against Royal Road's terms of service outright. Or at least portraying it in anything other than a negative light.

If it really bothers you, you should find a website that sorts Japanese WN/LN by tags and check before you start reading. You probably wouldn't enjoy Mushoku Tensei, for instance.

>>25201960
It's really interesting how these sort of Christian values endure even among people who hate to be associated with Christianity.

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>>25202209
thanks. i don't mind incest in fiction (at least when it serves a purpose), just didn't expect it, since the novel has a focus on the female mc. i thought it's more of a male mc trope. well, since shun is kinda a male mc i guess that's still true

>>25202282
i feel like i need to explain a bit more.
when i started reading the novel, it felt really fresh (probably because i'm not familiar with all the tropes, but still). i enjoyed the main character, but the interludes with shun felt really boring, like jumping from a fun new thing to a cliche story. later i understood that the author is poking fun at the mc - look how good this guy has it while she has to struggle for her life.
when katia appeared, i thought it's a funny spin on the usual anime harem tropes, having a close girl friend, that isn't actually in his "harem" because she's a guy. fei's addition also contributed to my enjoyment of his interludes - another "girl" that he can't actually add to his harem because she's an animal. but the whole deal with sue felt a bit forced, like the author just gave up on clever spins and decided to create a harem isekai for shun after all. so that's why i asked if it got resolved in a normal way. i also thought that maybe it was such a staple of the web novel genre that every one has to have an incest subplot in it, but looks like it's just the japanese mentality at work.

sorry for being verbose