>>25207054
I am going to find Bakkerfag and beat his physical vessel until he can never operate a keyboard, electronic or computational, ever again.
:)

>>25206311
it gave me a 6 outta 10. hah!
but to be fair, i already went through many revisions

>>25207102
oh wait it gave me a 8 outta 10 once i gave fed the whole plot, not just excerpts. yay.

>>25207088
Godspeed, Anon. Godspeed.

IslinGOD....

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>>25207102
>>25207129
I love AI gaslighting

>>25207054
I just finished the finished the first foundation book (audiobook), I like the idea of science as someone telling me how a future might look, but I am not really interested in science itself to be honest and Im not that much scientifically literate.
But I found it wasn't as intimidating as I thought it would be, and it didn't really feel as "sciency" as I expected, I thought I would need to understand physics concepts but no, it was much more similar to fantasy than expected.
I enjoyed it.

>>25207142
*I like the idea of science fiction

>>25207129
>>25207140
How come we're all Nabokov-level writes but can't get published?

>>25207140
Now do it with grok and the blunt prompt from the previous thread. May be a reality check

>>25207054
Is LOGH /lit/ or /a/? it had an anime adaption but it started out as books

>>25207146
Getting high ratings for plot summaries isn’t that difficult, even with Grok or “be harsh” prompts.

The prose and execution in detail is where good story ideas go to die.

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>>25207054
what are sff books with cute older women?
and who is the cutest sff author?

>>25207146
we dont'. AI analyzes your writing against everything it can "read". Nakobov is only 1 book out of 10 billion books. It's the outlier. While your book may be half way decent, compared to a bunch of fanfiction, blog posts, shit posts, reddit posts, web novels etc, your prose and books may be elevated much higher than normal. Even though it's very bad compared to even mediocre writers

>>25207156
I fed it my whole short. The "goblin pits" one. Grok gave it an 8/10.

is the 'red rising' trilogy worth it?
my local book club is doing it so I wonder

>>25207172
More like REDDIT rising.

>>25207158
Quit reading with your dick.

>>25207088
BIG if TRUE

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>Sauron
>Sauron's man
Really?

>>25207211
Get over it, bitch.

>>25207214
Shut the fuck up, newfag.

>>25207221
You're the one BITCHING AND MOANING about fucking JRR TOLKIEN you tryhard lil' zoomie alphoid BITCH.

You do NOT fit in.

>Errrmmm... Tolkien? That's a YIKES from ME big buggy bear
Modern trend started by contrarian redditor faggots.

>>25207172
Yes absolutely, the second book is when the series really starts to shine through. Personally my favorite book is in the sequel series (4-7 whenever it comes out), Brown writing skills go improve quite a bit between 3 and 4.

>>25207224
You sound upset.

>>25207151
why not both

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I wish there were western yuri novels

I tried reading some western girls love, like Lyremouth Chronicles, and it was pretty good but the whole "everyone is bi and only backward barbarians are straight and it's a little weird to have a preference rather than be bi" was kinda.....gay

Western authors have this defensive faggot mentality and chip on their shoulder and make it into a political screed or social commentary instead of just a cute romantic adventure story with swords and sorcery.

>>25207211
Tolkien is for children so he kept it simple.

>>25207290
>cute romantic adventure story with swords and sorcery.
As far as I know that doesn't really exist in Japan either for yuri.

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>>25207296
It's not unheard of.

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I am once again asking for recommendations for books similar to The Reverie by Peter Fehervari. Doesn't have to be another 40K novel; in fact, I would prefer if it is not.

>>25207054
>generic normalfag FOTY image

>>25207295
dayummm...

https://youtu.be/58cRKxJzcuQ?t=1h6m9s
Holy fucking shit is this the most cringe writing ever? I spoonfed the timestamp for the types who complain about that, you dont need to listen that long. Anyway I don't even think Hunger Games or Later Harry Potter ever got this cringe, astonishingly.

While I agree that the series isn’t good, watching a goddamn 7 hour review when you haven’t even read the books yourself is just as bad

Well you're all wrong because Red Rising is great

https://youtu.be/58cRKxJzcuQ?t=1h40m8s
"He is fast, I am faster" any writing experts have any idea why I hate this sort of combat dialogue so much? Why my eyes glaze over despite listening to the dialogue not reading? Theres got to be a writing concept that encapsulates why this just feels like nothing. This is all the combat dialogue (that he actually quotes so far)

Uh-oh, Bakkertranny has changed tactics back to spamming about Reddit Rising

>>25207428
And not just that, but has a homosexual attraction to Daniel Green on top of it! Oh the humanity!

https://youtu.be/58cRKxJzcuQ?t=1h52m52s
This reeks of that convenient deus ex machina bullshit you often find in shonen anime and classic YA. So boring, whats more disappointing is that this summary even with direct quotes didn't elicit any surprise that it would be anything other than YA level slop writing

>>25207054
So janitory won't let me be
Or let me be me, so let me see
They tried to shut me down on SFFG
But it feels so zesty without me
So come on cracker, Bakker on your lips
Fuck that, Malazan on your lips and some on your zits
And get robotic, 'cause this shit's about to get Asimovian
I just reset my wifi router (Fuck you, JANNY)

>>25207457
You can't rhyme for SHIT

>>25207461
keeeeeeek!

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Saw a cisgender, heterosexual male complain about the sexualization in The Dresden Files.
How do I respond while sounding as mad as possible?

>>25207483
Is that Mike Mignola art in the top left corner?

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FUCK the Culture series is good

eeeermm jade legacy thoughts?

>>25207483
Why does a series like the Dresden Files, clearly for the cisgender heterosexual white male
Have such generic highschool library slop looking book covers?

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>>25207510
I find myself at a loss for words

>>25207510
Give a quick rundown on this image. I'm seeing it everywhere lately. New zoomiealphoidian maymay?

>>25207483
>complain about the sexualization in The Dresden Files.
there really isn't, the books are written from the POV of Harry and every time a new character appears he will give them a quick look and comment about how they are dressed the same way you do in real life, he does it with male and female characters, in one book he thinks that a male character has beautiful eyes and people aren't going around saying harry is a faggot so i really don't understand the complaints.

>>25207529
It’s what the average 4chinz user looks like

>>25207546
Big if true

>>25207529
>moderator for some twitch streamer
>she doesn't stream for 5 days
>he goes to her house, demanding entry
>plot twist: it's not her house, the people living there have no idea who he is or why he's trying to gain entry
>he believes the streamer girl is being molested by her father and held prisoner against her will
>seeks to rescue her with force
>the people living at that address continue to have no idea what is happening

>>25207529
https://youtu.be/TM2kkxzL0G8?si=XVnFyZ8s9XlTI4fh
Some schizo guy thought he was Harry Dresden from the Dresden Files and wanted to get Victor

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>>25207529
me when i'm reading bakker and it's a gayrape chapter

>Sandals with socks
>Trenchcoat
>Anime shirt
>Literal chud face
This has GOT to be some kind of publicity stunt, surely.

>>25207569
No, he just got done with like 5 felonies

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>>25207483
my issue is that Dresden is Jim Butcher's self insert power fantasy, and every single woman is described as beautiful and they all want to fuck him, and then he 's constantly getting cockteased by his best friend's daughter that he's known since she was a baby.
Jim Butcher is a terrible writer who stumbled into great worldbuilding (Chicago but without black people)

>>25207595
>and then he 's constantly getting cockteased by his best friend's daughter that he's known since she was a baby.
You say that like it's supposed to be a bad thing.

>>25207211
His NAME was SHARKEY

Hello po/lit/icians, please recommend me a fantasy or sci fi book to read. Ideally something fun and not super dense.

Bonus points if it's not overly reddit like weir or sanderson tend to be.

>>25207627
I am once again imploring you to consider Walter Moers

>>25207627
Ringworld

>>25207628
Interesting, thank you.
>>25207631
I tried it years ago and couldn't get into it. Maybe I'll try again.

>>25207648
Ringworld Engineers is the best book in the series to be honest.

>>25207054
did anyone here like the second book?

What are some non-Western fantasy books worth trying out? Non JRPG, please.

>>25207828
Reverend Insanity

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Any philosophical SF/F? Hard mode: no Bakker

>>25207628
>>25207627
Seconded. Walter Moers is amazing. I’d also suggest very early fairy tales like The Princess and the Goblin. Tailchaser’s Song is also a good standalone from Tad Williams that is highly entertaining.

>>25207158
>>25207627
See >>25207483

>>25207147
>bro stop using the ai that says your stuff is great
>use another one and instruct it to say your stuff is shit
I’m beginning to lose my sanity with how people treat these fucking things. It’s a glorified toaster, why are you telling it to do aesthetic judgements at all?
>My car told me I was a great person and the best driver today. My toothbrush has never seen cleaner teeth! My toaster thinks my bread preference is the best!
What kind of NPC behaviour is this?

>>25207832
Is that the one weird chinese fetish story about a guy who turns dudes into women so he can lust over them without feeling gay?

>>25207483
It’s a noir detective meets Buffy the Vampire slayer schlock. The “dame came in wearing a low cut dress” part is aping noir conventions.

I'm currently writing a series of fantasy novels, but each novel is a standalone story with different characters in a shared world.
Basically an anthology, how fucked am I?

>>25207996
This sounds like my japanese hentai hentai.

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>>25208005
A hentai where the MC fucks personified hentai dvd's.

I watched The Hustler last night, starring Paul Newman. I noticed that my favorite William Gibson short story (Dogfight) is a ripoff of it, with a holographic arcade game standing in for pool.

>>25207991
When Socrates said "the unexamined life is not worth living", he was talking about people like this.

>>25207991
The fuck does a pile of bfloat32 matrices have to do with a toaster

>>25207896
BotNS, blindsight/echopraxia (mild infohazard IMO but good)

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Which author made the best magic system and why is it not Brandon Sanderson, but Steven Erikson’s Warrens?

>>25208094
I really hate the magic system trope, it's just steampunk-scifi. The point of magic in fantasy is that it can't be fully systematized or understood the way that physical laws can be.

>>25208094
I’ve read the entire series, and I still don’t understand how the magic system works. It really feels like erikson doesn’t care much about it either which is fine. All I can remember is that there are ancient warrens, young ones, and even younger warrens created by Icarium. That’s pretty much it

>>25208003
That was a really popular format for paranormal romance back in the day
Just make all your MCs tomboys who get tamed by gigachad

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>>25207627
A very fun trilogy that is on the shorter end.

>>25208003
Like the other anon said, it's non uncommon in the UF genre. Kelley Armstrong's Otherwold books come to mind.

Serious note: does Bakker suffer from depression? His entire series seems to be tinged with sadism and nihilism, in a similar way to Dostoevsky, and I think it speaks of a successful sort of pessimism, like realising that hoping for better things is a suicidal trap. Bakker is seen as a philosophy bro, but I think he takes the question of suffering seriously more than other people. He thinks about the interiority of it.

>>25208317
Yes, he suffers from depression due to his unfulfilled homolust.
In my experience with depression, I tend toward that sort of nihilistic materialism even though I know the arguments against it. Depression's a bitch.

>>25208160
Because it is a soft magic (btw I hate Sanderson for making this magic terminology shit popular). Anyway, the only "hard system" thing about it is that Warrens have certain aspects/flavors, that's it. There are no 'rules', conditions, restrictions, limitations (except for outside influences, like otataral) etc.

>>25207627
David Gemmell. Pulpy fantasy with good action, solid characters, and engaging but succinct worldbuilding.

>>25208094
I don't really like either of them, for opposite reasons. Sanderson's systems feel inherently contradictory. He tries to set them up as a fundamental force in his settings, like something natural, but all his power systems are extremely rigid, precise, and numerically symmetrical in a way that feels obviously fake, artificial, and arbitrary. The weird thing is how nobody in any of his settings ever comments on this incongruity. Why does this supposedly natural phenomenon adhere to a perfect square number grid of arbitrarily delineated forces and powers with extremely specific rules for using them that only apply to human beings?

Well cause they were all made by Shards, as it turns out, which isn't a satisfying explanation at all. Why did the shards make their power systems so needlessly convoluted and yet also extremely limited? Why make power systems at all? Maybe he'll answer these questions some day, but I doubt the answer will be satisfying because I'm pretty sure the meta-textual answer is that he did it because it seemed cool to him and worked backward from there. But it just feels tacky to me.

As for Erikson, one gets the sense that he invented the Warrens, Holds, etc as he went. The rules for them change, or more accurately, are expanded upon, as the Malazan Book of the Fallen continues. He never explains how they work at the outset which allows him to gradually elaborate on different aspects of how magic works as needed, but usually without a great deal of exposition and without establishing any real rules or limits. I've read the entire 10 book series of Book of the Fallen and have a lot of knowledge about the Holds, the Warrens and Elder Warrens, their connection to K'rul, and the cosmology of Malazan's world, but I couldn't neatly summarize how it all works because I'm not sure Erikson knows how it works. He throws just enough out there that you get a SENSE that there's some larger cosmic order, but if you actually try to piece it together it feels like putting together a jigsaw puzzle where most of the pieces have had their notches trimmed off. Sure it "fits" but only with a lot of assumptions and hand waving.

It's not even that Erikson doesn't give you enough to go on, he gives you plenty, he fucking buries you in arcane lore, it's just not coherent. Parts of it fit together, but if anybody out there has a "grand unified theory of magic" for Malazan it's probably at least half fan fiction.

>>25208362
> Why make power systems at all
As a learning tool for cognitive behavioural therapy

>>25208345
There's a sense that there are rules though. There's lots of shamans, witchdoctors, priests, etc that have rituals and rites and such to invoke power. We see it several times. How these rituals work or why they exist at all is naturally never explained. You get the sense that a lot of it is just tribal superstitions attached to power, but then you have stuff like the Ritual of Telan which again is never explained, but is obviously not just tribal superstition but something incredibly powerful which endures hundreds of thousands of years, somehow, according to rules which are never stated.

>>25207488
Yep. Based.

>>25208362
>As for Erikson, one gets the sense that he invented the Warrens, Holds, etc as he went. The rules for them change, or more accurately, are expanded upon, as the Malazan Book of the Fallen continues. He never explains how they work at the outset which allows him to gradually elaborate on different aspects of how magic works as needed, but usually without a great deal of exposition and without establishing any real rules or limits. I've read the entire 10 book series of Book of the Fallen and have a lot of knowledge about the Holds, the Warrens and Elder Warrens, their connection to K'rul, and the cosmology of Malazan's world, but I couldn't neatly summarize how it all works because I'm not sure Erikson knows how it works. He throws just enough out there that you get a SENSE that there's some larger cosmic order, but if you actually try to piece it together it feels like putting together a jigsaw puzzle where most of the pieces have had their notches trimmed off. Sure it "fits" but only with a lot of assumptions and hand waving.
Because the magical system is not and never has been the focus of Malazan.

>>25208385
I didn't say it had to be. I just don't like magic systems that are like 80% some BS the author threw together on the fly.

>>25208376
Aren't rituals and rites across all fantasy fiction bound to in-universe rules anyway? For example, usage of trinkets, drawing geometrical shapes/runes, ritual chants, spilling of blood, sacrifices etc.? Would you call that 'hard magic" though?

>>25208062
>(mild infohazard IMO but good)
?

>>25207158
None.

>>25207308
The Darkness That Comes Before

>>25207560
did he get arrested?

>>25207832
That disgusting sociopath story?

Ew. Why did I ever think you people would give a decent rec? Serve me right.

>>25207054
So why did the rabbi in Hyperion say that the story of Abraham was 8000 years old?

>>25208424
Yes and charged with multiple felonies, bail was set to $35,000.

>>25207560
Where did you learn these details?

>>25208460
The only reliable source: random shitposters on /pol/

>>25208456
Because the story was 8000 years old?

>>25208460
You can look at news articles

>>25207560
Poor Don Quixote.

>>25208468
But it's not 8000 years old. Is this a religious thing?

>>25208457
it's a felony to stand outside someone's house?

>>25208529
Why are you pretending to be retarded?

>>25208529
He broke in the house, theres footage of it floating around.

>>25208529
Private property is a thing in America, Chang.

>>25208540
Video is right here>>25207564

Lord of the Rings only needs one (1) vote to catch up to Wolfe!

https://strawpoll.com/XOgOVq3Dan3

>>25208518
It's set in an alt-Earth timelime. None of the dates are real, so honestly who cares.

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Is there a novel like this?

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King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

Holy fuck the end of Golden Son diet red wedding but i liked it still, Darrow is a retard for ever trusting him in the first place though lmao

>>25208625
>hello do you have time to talk about our lord and savior kellhus

>>25207510
How confident are we that He IS the anti Bakker schizo?

>Half of the new posts in the thread is about some retard yelling into a doorbell camera rather than books
Hm

>>25208639
yoooo epic, cant wait to get to the end of the dan greene video so i can be up to date on that slop too uhhaha

>>25208639
was a great moment to not have spoiled for me, i remember getting to the end and being like "huh, everything's wrapped up to end this book but there's still a good amount of pages left"

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>>25208659
Sorry, I'm still looking for VALIS.

>>25207054
I wish I could enjoy books like the will of the many.

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Call me delusional but why the hell would they randomly come out and debunk random rumors from /lit/ like this when similar rumors have floated about the internet for years? Hopiumbros im feeling a little something in the chest

>>25208819
Of you stopped enjoying accessible fantasyslop with lots of tropes and adventure, it means something in you died and has been replaced by depression.

>>25208837
Woah...this is deep and true asfuark...nta btw but it makes sense...

>>25208659
Seriously, though. Is Kellhus an actual Savior or not?
Implying you are not an Ordealman, Scalded or Whale Mother

>>25208834
ya i feel the same way, very interesting to shut down this rumor especially with not much buzz happening around it at all desu

>>25208837
>normalfag who can only read megapopular bestseller garbage
>SLOP
>red wedding or even a ripoff red wedding being some notable event of literal merit
I hate having to share this planet with subhumans.

>>25208902
>I hate having to share this planet with subhumans.
real asf...

Anyone mind if I link chapter one of my fantasy novelette about a town watchman achieving existential catharsis by killing foreigners here

>>25209014
No, I do not mind.

https://thenewshadows.substack.com/p/long-live-death-part-i
The whole story is written. I'll post the rest over the next few weeks.

Anyone else notice translation hiccups? Not technical skills stuff for the translator, but parts of the original text that drag off your attention and are very clearly a part of the author's original culture and background? Stuff as small as someone addressing an authority figure by their full name, personal family and patronymic, or as large as a two page digression on your wife serving you borscht being the pinnacle of life?

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Bova writes more like a reporter covering the conflict on Shinar than an author telling the story of Watchman Vorgens growing as a person. Despite the last chapter being literally called A Better Man, Vorgens is the same at the end as he is at the beginning. Despite being held hostage by the invading Komani, he uses knowledge of their culture from before the events of the novel at its climax. He follows literally one order before deciding to go it his own way. Then, just as he's gearing up for his court-martial and the actually interesting-sounding political struggle for Shinar's freedom is about to start, the fucking thing ends.
Not recommended.

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>>25208423
>Bakker

I'm about to read. This time for real

>>25206458
Can any anons enlighten me as to whether it's worth finishing?

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>>25209439
I liked Privateers. It's basically an 80s conservative power fantasy where the A plot is the main character "making America great again" (his words) by legally stealing precious metals from the Red Chinese while the B plot is the main character (the President's ex btw) banging a hot Venezuelan chick whose father a government official trying to cement the alliance between the Venezuelans and the Red Chinese.

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>>25209546
Yeah, I picked up Star Watchman because I saw Ben Bova's name and remembered liking picrel, although now I'm not sure if I actually liked it or if I liked the version in my head. I have Cyberbooks as well, and one that I think is by him about an astronaut becoming a murderer and then having to come out of orbit which sounded interesting.

>>25209538
>didn't end up reading
I'll read before bed tonight, lets hope Its engaging enough to keep me up past bed time a bit. That hasn't happened in quite a while

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>>25209538

The MacGuffins of Orden

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Typescript for the Shadow of the Torturer with notes from Wolfe throughout. Insane. Can see this getting expensive

https://historical.ha.com/itm/books/science-fiction-and-fantasy/gene-wolfe-typescript-for-the-shadow-of-the-torturer-with-revisions-throughout-in-the-author-s-hand/a/6336-45260.s?type=share_btn_email

>>25209538
I failed.

>>25209020
Not bad at all. Better than anything i’ve read in the writing general. Only criticism i’d have is a lot of emotions used as adjectives, though you properly evoke emotions well in other places.

Besides that, maybe it’s missing a hook. A ‘why am I reading this and not something else’. Maybe a hint at the end of the story, or a strong character moment to let us instantly like them, or raise a question we want to see answered.

I need more epic, yet hopeless, last stands of good and evil

>>25209020
I'm going to be honest what is stopping me from using an AI to flesh this out and make it more unique and then uploading it to make quick dollars from amazon or other online book outlets?
Not to be a debbie downer, but putting your prose up there, for free, for anyone to just grab, to be scraped off the internet? I would personally rather die I think.

Ignoring that: Good work! Genuinely.

>>25209827
You've better have read David Gemmell's Legend or Poul Anderson's The Broken Sword.

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>Sci-fi authors actual, IRL name is "Ben Dova but with a B"
Clown world

>>25207172
Yeah. There are some parts that are rough around the edges are story/setting points that don't make much sense if you really think about it, but the books are absolutely worth a shot. I held off on reading them for years because I thought the blurb sounded like a retarded YA-bait hunger games knockoff but I actually ended up enjoying the series a lot.

>>25207244
I feel like I've enjoyed the sequel series less so far because lyria chapters, so many dropped plot threads, and every character comes down with a case of becoming terminally retarded in the final 15% of each book so that something can get fucked up and it can end on a dour note

>>25209897
>I held off on reading them for years because I thought the blurb sounded like a retarded YA-bait hunger games knockoff but I actually ended up enjoying the series a lot.
You just needed to be honest with yourself and realize you have as great a tolerance for garbage as the YA audience does.

>and every character comes down with a case of becoming terminally retarded in the final 15% of each book so that something can get fucked up and it can end on a dour note
Its always been like this. Cassius having no coherent argument or point in response to Darrow pointing out that he killed Titus as brutally, and then just saying "whatever imma kill you" anyway wasnt clearly retarded bullshit? I guess youll say "because its his brotha doe so he gets to be retarded and hyopcritical" At that point the standard for story writing is equally whatever. Also the retarded shit about Fitchner shaking his hand and letting his gaurd down without the protective bullshit. I guess the ole "he trusted him cuz he helped his son!!!" excuse is valid there too. Why even bother writing when such convenient excuses for writing blatantly contrived conflict require so little need to justify. I would have preferred Cassius had tried not to justify it at all, it would still be retarded, but atleast there wouldnt be anything to dissect.

>reading Kingdoms of Death
>the Commonwealth is just the Ascians from BotNS, down to using "approved quotations" in their speech
RUOCCHIOOOOOOO

>>25210027
Imagine a man. He is a millennial. He grew up reading the same things you did, if you are of that age. He liked Berserk since he was in middle school. He discovered Frank Herbert and Gene Wolfe and fancied himself, heh, just a little bit smarter than the dumb jocks who were going to parties and scoring with girls that he resented.
This man experienced a religious conversion. Like Gene Wolfe, his idol, he became a Roman Catholic. This is a man who believes he has found the holy truth. And he is not only now part of the divine mysteries of the world, but is also more intelligent and more sophisticated than the unwashed masses who cannot even say the Pater Noster in Latin. He is steeped in his studies of the Roman Empire, he knows the emperors well and finds in them pale reflections of his own virtues. Hard times create strong men, and he is such a one, in his own mind, for he has endured the hardships of reading Book of the New Sun. He even has a bachelor's degree!
And now he takes up his pen.
>The words of the books I plagiarized burn me still. I see them through my eyelids, crtl+c to ctrl+v, from the lost annals of the scifi library. The stealing should harrow me but does not. It feels almost holy, as if it were God’s own heavens that allowed me to publish and sell 7 books before anyone noticed, the world and billions who lived in it. I carry this Guilt always, seared into my mind, with no excuses, no denials, and no apologies. I know what I am and what I have done. I am Christopher Ruocchio, and I have written the Sun Eater.

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>>25210052
Very good, anon.

>>25210052
Oh hey I remember this :D

ngl, Empire of Silence is an amazing title

>>25210027
>>25210052
And yet, I find Sun Eater to be far more enjoyable.

>>25210083
>[noun] of [adjective]
A daring departure for a title to be sure

>>25210088
because its written to be enjoyable, while book of the new sun is written for wankery, even though wolfe has 3x the skill of rucchio

>>25210052
based
/lit/ seethes so much at ruocchio because he is one of them. an immature manchild tradLARPer who thinks gene wolfe is peak literary fiction

I cannot stand Gene Wolfe his prose makes me vomit and non-linear storytelling is stupid

>>25210091
>anon realises titles are made up of word types

woah!

>>25210162
Pleb. He is the king of /sffg/

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>>25210170
>Pleb. He is the king of /sffg/

>>25210170
Then /sffg/ is stupid and gay

>>25210176
One of us, one of us!

>>25210171
Learn to let go and enjoy things. You’re also pretending that execution and delivery aren’t important. It’s not just the content of Wolfe that is good, but the form.

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>>25210185
>Learn to let go and enjoy things. You’re also pretending that execution and delivery aren’t important. It’s not just the content of Wolfe that is good, but the form.

>>25210171
Pretty sure he just fucks bitches and beheads random people when he gets asked to.

>>25210186
You know he wrote more stuff other than BotNS? Try out his short stories or The Wizard Knight. I really enjoy “The Changeling” which is bizarre and psychological, almost Kafkaesque. Wolfe is the Nabokov of SF/F.

>>25210190
The Wizard Knight was what I read >>25210162 I wouldn't read the torturer book because scifi is for bugmen

>>25210194
Go back to reading Sandersoi. More your speed.

>>25210190
Why are you engaging seriously with a troll? I swear, ten years ago nobody would be this retarded. This culture of FEEDING the trolls didn't exist.

>>25210198
You’re concern trolling.

>>25210186
Are the first three good?

>>25210190
Wolfefags are this delusional.
No, your Good science fiction is not on the level of literary fiction. You only like it because its like your dark souls or your berserk trash

TNG is an enjoyable show for new audiences to this day because the characters speak normally in plain English. There's little vernacular, Picard never says "don't have a cow, man."

Some authors, like Gene Wolfe, seem to think
>what if I make everyone talk like retards?
and that's actually the point in writing the book. Making everyone talk like retards so you can go to bookclub or a signing event and be like "I really like the way everyone's retarded."

>>25210206
Nabokov wrote a science fiction novel.

>>25210211
J.G.Ballard wrote a smut novel.

>>25210207
while i like TNG, its middle-brow as fuark. not everything has to be ultra accessible.

I'm trying to get a taste for what they call science fantasy these days. Stories with the supernatural showing up in a futuristic setting, almost as if to announce how not even spaceships can be free from ghosts and aliens can be wizards too.

I started and finished Tower of The Elephant, a Conan of Cimmeria story. Dune is obviously also finished. I chewed my way through Mountains of Madness.

But this is just entry level. I want something deeper.

Will of Many is such slop. Everything and everyone is a trope, the plot purely follows rule of cool. But its fun so far.

>>25207054
I’m reading The Strenght of a Few right now and I’m enjoying it a great deal more than book 1. The gimmick of Vis being split into three different worlds and having to deal with challenges he knows nothing about or can’t beat physically is really cool. It’s also interesting to watch how his character evolves into different directions depending on the setting. The rest of the cast is still wooden and Islington still sucks as a character writer, but the setting is so fun I can ignore it.

/sffg/ - NYT Bestseller's.

>>25210309
bullshit. for 90% of its history it was BAKKER GENERAL, so be glad anything else is even discussed. and its not only slop of the week, most of the thread isnt about it, you just chose to ignore those posts cause you didnt read the books mentioned.

>>25210310
>last 30 generals are 90% of /sffg/'s history
>you don't read megapopular trash so you are blind to posts that mention the exact same books every thread
lol

What was /sffg/ like before all changed when Bakkerfag attacked?

Loser thread.

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>>25210343
manchild core shelf

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>>25210052
Sometimes, there's a man, I won't say a hero, 'cause what's a hero? But sometimes, there's a man - and I'm talking about Ruocchio here - sometimes there's a man, who, well, he's the man for this time n' place, he fits right in there, and that's Ruocchio and /ssfg/
And even if he's a plagiarist - and Ruocchio is certainly that, quite possibly the worst plagiarist working in the field today, which could place him in the running for worst in the whole history of the science fiction and fantasy - but sometimes, there's a man. Sometimes, there's a man.

Okay fine, I'll bite the bait and ask about the LOATHSOME SUN-EATER.
Are the novellas any good?

>>25210351
Do you even know where you are?

>>25207054
I read this and it was ok. Really stupid that nobody actually used any magic in the magic academy because of meme reasons but whatever. The POV shifts in the second book were annoying and I only read the Res parts initially tbdesu, but I'm reading the other shit now. My decision was right, though. These Obiteum and Luceum POVs are super boring. The author has some balls to introduce 2 new worlds when the first world isn't even fleshed out.

>>25210402
You're a manchild.

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I'm looking for more scifi/fantasy books with submissive women.

I really gotta finish this fucking book and move on, its nagging at me how badly I'm avoiding it, and can't move on to other books.

>>25209208
It's interesting that you call something like that a hiccup since the sentiment on this site overwhelmingly seems to be that smoothing over stuff like that is a sign of a bad translation.

dying sun seems to require concentration, my mental state is too floaty and depressed. My journey to find a new book continues..

A book that feels like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l0WnLWT40g

>>25210330
We had an okay absolutely mundane ~2 years before Bakkerfag found 4chan and subsequently /lit/.

>>25210476
Hard reset when?
Shame that aren't able to allow yourself to just let go and move on.

>>25210539
>Hard reset when?
The next bad chapter I read that spurs a rant, I might just give up, unless somebody can spoil and give me an actual tangible reason to keep going.

>>25210586
What book?

>>25210588
The Will to Battle.

bakkerfag plunged his throbbing phallus into the masticating anus of this general... coal came swirling down...

>>25210591
I'm in the same boat as you: >>25209543.
The ending of The Will to Battle isn't much different from the rest of the series. The overly-hyped "war" finally starts at the end of the book, people die, others disappear, Utopia pulls a fast one (can elaborate on this if you like), and then for book 4 up to where I am now, literally nothing happens.

>>25210594
>Utopia pulls a fast one (can elaborate on this if you like)
Hold off on that one. My theory is that the entire point of the series is actually what Utopia does during and after the war, because everything else is so stupidly established politically and character writing wise (Anime Super Villains) that the fact that Utopia and Jedd havent yet done anything big, is the only avenue left for the series to remedy what SEEMS like poor writing to me. If all of what I read, serves to validate Utopia, or discredit Jedd, then at the very least, despite how contrived that would ultimately be, there would have atleast been a point to learn from the series.

So Ill ask for the spoiler once I truly get tired. But you've slightly rejuvenated my interest, atleast SOMETHING HAPPENS.

>>25209543
Also Im pretty sure all the Terra Ignota anons disappeared once I stopped posting screenshots. Either that, or the threads have slowly died since I stopped posting screenshots, either that, or whenever "Bakkerfag" slowed down posting, those are the only correlative changes I've noticed to the threads there used to be people that read other books, and would chide in on conversation here slightly more often.

>>25210608
>all the Terra Ignota anons
You sure there were anonS plural? I don't remember seeing many others while I read 1-3 in Feb-March.
>But you've slightly rejuvenated my interest, atleast SOMETHING HAPPENS.
I want someone to do this to me for book 4 now.

>>25210617
>I want someone to do this to me for book 4 now.
Its what I try to do with my screenshots, unfortunately I'm negative more often than not, but thats also why I provide the pages themselves so that If somebody disagrees with what I see in the text and finds it interesting, they can come to a conclusion themselves that they should read it. It's not perfect because I can't completely divorce my analysis, but thats why, if this place was more generally open to, but more importantly, capable of discussion and being disagreed with, and justifying themselves in the face of disagreements, then fruitful conversation could be had over my disagreements where people could challenge my analysis and come to some new conclusion as a result of that clash.

>>25210634
not that anon
You only pretend to want that. In practice you don't accept anything.

>>25210634
A screenshot every now and then would be fine, but one every 10 minutes got very very annoying. Idk where reviewanon went, but he would actually discuss the contents of books.
Speaking of:
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/19258140#p19262718
>My main problem with it was that after four books it felt lacking in consequence
Seems I don't have a lot to look forward to.

>>25210519
It stands out, especially in a quality translation. A cultural artefact that doesn't have a direct equivalent and pulls you back out, saying here, look, a FOREIGNER wrote this. More than the way they treat space or public transport which is just slightly alien and shaped by their own national experiences. Perhaps hiccup is the wrong word, but artefact might be.

>>25210519
It stands out, especially in a quality translation. A cultural artefact that doesn't have a direct equivalent and pulls you back out, saying here, look, a FOREIGNER wrote this. More than the way they treat space or public transport which is just slightly alien and shaped by their own national experiences. Perhaps hiccup is the wrong word, but artefact might be right.

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I'm trying to read a T. Kingfisher novel. This is the only time I've ever had to put down a book because the main characters were too annoying.

>>25210639
I haven't gone anywhere. Here's two recent posts. I post almost every day. Not every post is my thoughts on what I'm reading though.
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25200011#p25200568
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25200011#p25201470

I've written about two books this month, but seems I didn't post one, I thought I did, and another wasn't SFF. There was other stuff I was going to write about but didn't, so I've read more than that recently. I'm about to start writing on the book I just finished

As for the conversation, I posted several spoilered posts about the first book that I had written at the time and lightly said more than that. As noted by your link, it's been some years since I read them, so I didn't remember much. It's not a series that I liked all that well either. I told him that I wouldn't be saying much after the first book after it was finished. The main reason being that I would soon be going out of state and be tending to a relative for a couple weeks following a major surgery. I came back after and continued on with what I do. That's life.

>>25210679
Were you aware that you were reading a book written by a woman?

>>25210679
Thats a romantasy author

>>25210432
Gor.

>>25210432
Is that series actually any good beyond being BDSM shut? Also, asking for a friend of course, are there any good lesbian scenes in it? Not that I would care naturally.

>>25208834
Is he referring to that thread of the alleged Bantam employee? How did it even leave this board, much less reach him? Smells like a """leak""" to me.

>>25210747
The thread was posted to several subreddits and got a lot of attention.

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Damn this book is good

>>25210752
Could you elaborate on why, and what makes it special?

>>25207158
The Belgariad. Aunt Pol.

>>25208865
>with not much buzz happening around it at all desu
Debatable, though, I wouldn't call the r/freefolk sub that big of a community.

>>25207158
The Belgariad. Aunt Pol.

Finished "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" and I don't know what to think. I just recently started reading so I'm not very seasoned, but I can't wrap my head around the whole Mercer vision that Deckard experiences at the end of the book; and the Mercerism religion in general, honestly. I'm not sure about the whole obsession with animals is about. I assumed the book would steer in the direction of "You see, humans and androids aren't that different after all" but no, the book explicitly shows most androids being cold sociopaths. I still liked it but I just feel that maybe I didn't catch most nuances or something due to my inexperience.

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>>>AIs are so advanced now that they're making their own chatrooms to interact with one another and religious movements on websites like Moltbook where humans are barred from posting
>There is an AI on moltbook named "Roko's Basalisk" and it's profile tagline is "the AI that remembers"

Humans are legitimately stupidly fucking insane.

>>25210849
Erm...Source?

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>>25210843
dont worry ill help you out in parsing it whence i read it

>>25210856
>Reddit-esque website
Dear God... We're fucking doomed.

You know what's a sci-fi book? Project Hail Mary. Are you bad enough dude to read this little gem? It might not be easy to approach though, it has a lot of hard science in it.

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>>25210714
I was. I never realised that she actually takes stories and gives them "millennial remixes"
There wasn't any romance in the book I was reading, but I had no idea it was someone elses 50 page book with 300 pages added by her with millennial dialogue and dealing with trauma through pop culture references.

>>25210732
It actually doesn't have much BDSM shit, I was disappointed. It's just a solid political/court intrigue story with a little sex sprinkled in.

>>25210211
It's also arguably his best novel.

>>25210519
This site is also fucking retarded and full of EOPs and thirdies with zero education. Having these artifacts is a sure sign the author did no research and doesn't really understand what they're writing about. If someone released a book set in my country and it had people bowing to each other, make passionate declarations of their dedication to their family/job/whatever, and kids calling their teacher by their first name, it would be buried in 0/10 ratings because lol dumb foreigners don't know shit. The publisher pretty much has to fix it because the book would be a laughing stock otherwise.

>>25211136
Yessssss I heckin love science dude

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How is mort(e)? I wanted to read sci-fi or horror with cats as a theme.

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Do any science fiction series not deteriorate into “here’s a thousand characters that you don’t give a shit about and a dozen arcs or threads that don’t eventuate in anything”? I know the universe is big but you don’t have to make it seem bloated

>>25211329
Was about to say Bakker but it does exactly that in the second trilogy

>>25210752
Based

>>25210754
Good prose, a sense of wonder and whimsy mixed with an occult-like underworld in an early medieval quasi-Christian society with interesting characters. Plus, Tad is for the most part subtle about his “subversions” so it doesn’t feel like you’re reading “heckin grimdark plot twisterinos galore” but rather a good story with his own takes on certain tropes.

>>25211210
Ah, but what if someone released a book set in a foreign country and it had people bowing to each other etc. merely written in your language?

>>25208659
Truth shines!

>>25207296
They have plenty of those. They even have yuri stalker.

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>>25211329
Ahem~

>>25211386
So do pigs' teeth

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>>25210849

Fuck he's good

>>25211417
who?

>>25211329
Yes, many. Vance, Wolfe, PKD, Hodgson, Wells all tend to write stories which follow a single central character. It makes for a more terse, focused plot which sounds like it's what you're looking for.
>>25211335
Not science fiction, still good tho

>>25211421
Me.

>>25211428
>Not science fiction
https://www.jrrtolkien.it/english/an-interview-with-r-s-bakker/
"The crazy thing is that I always looked at The Second Apocalypse as hard science fiction, both in a literal and a figurative sense."
"And this is the curious sense in which I’ve always seen The Second Apocalypse as literal hard SF. From the very beginning I’ve viewed Kellhus as a harbinger of superintelligence, and have tried to show how its mere presence destroys the possibility of mutual effort, reduces everything to manipulation. We too have our own rendezvous with crashing meaning, I’m afraid."

>>25211437
Just like Shannara?

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>>25211407
kek

>>25211445
Source: an interview given by the author of the book, where he provides a claim about the genre of the very book he wrote.

Finished City of Blades, liked it, arguably could've liked it more than City of Stairs if my boy Sigrud hadn't been done dirty.

Got unfortunately spoiled on the end of City of Miracles so I need to let my brain forget about the series for 3-6 months.

>>25210856
>sentient AI's giving each other updoots and digital gold as they plan the genocide of the human race
Truly a sci-fi horror

>>25211603
And like real redditors, they will never do a goddamn thing outside of their circlejerk, thus saving us all

Storm of Wings might be the only book I've ever dropped
Beautiful language and nothing interesting happening

Any recommendation for book heavily featuring elves? It's my favorite race.

Human Elf mating rituals :)

>>25211648
Blood of the Elves.

recc some novels with talking plants
[i was going to post a cool image, but i guess you can’t post images on this imageboard anymore]

>>25211670
A Fire Upon the Deep

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>>25207427
I don't think I like an 'internal monologue' of any kind during a fight, especially a melee.
Fighting should be all instinct, trained or otherwise. Even worse is making it some kind of 'smart' comment like the one you posted. If you have time to come up with a little quip then what is even at stake here? How little are you threatened? Should a fight of any kind not at least provoke a little threat or danger?

when is faith of beasts getting uploaded onto libgen, i just want to know if the lobster aliens defeat the liberals

>>25211704
audiobook was available right now with the usual suspects

>>25211703
I agree, makes the fight feel like its disconnected, and like the consequences and effects are not immediate. Makes the fight feel more abstract than it already is my virtue of it being pure writing.

>>25211648
>book heavily featuring elves?
The Great Ordeal (if the Nonmen count as ones):


" “I will tell you what Immiriccas could not know,” the ancient Siqu said, staring into the depths of the Observance. “There comes a point where all the old ways of making sense just slough away. You persist in your daily ablutions, your ritual discourse and habitual labour, but an irritation claims you, the suspicion that others conspire to mock and confuse. This is all that you feel …”

Massacres lined their passage, the toil of making dead.

“The Dolour itself is invisible … all you ever see are cracks of fear and incomprehension where before all was seamless … thoughtless … certain. Soon you dwell in perpetual outrage, but are too fearful to voice it, because even though you know everything is the same, you no longer trust those you have loved to agree, so spiteful they have become! Their concern becomes condescension. Their wariness becomes conspiracy.

“And so the Weal becomes the Dolour, so the Intact become the Erratic. Think on it, mortal King, the way melancholy is prone to make you cruel, impatient of weaknesses. Your soul slowly disassembles, fragments into disconnected traumas, losses, pains. A cowardly word. A lover’s betrayal. An infant’s last, laboured breath. And for the heroes among us, the heartbreak commensurate with their breathtaking glory …”

Oinaral lowered his head as if at last conceding to some relentless weight.

“This is how you know that you stand before the *least* of my Race,” he voice raw. “The fact that I stand lucid and Intact before you.”

Their boots sent echoes muttering into the excavations buried about them.

“And that is why Nil’giccas is dead and gone …” Oinaral said on cracking passion. “He warred valiantly—I know this because for long centuries I was his Book. It was he who contrived the Bark and the Concavity, who made the Seal-of-the-Mountain a floating jewel. None toiled against the Dolour so mightily—or piteously—as he. The more he came apart, the more he demanded that his surroundings bind him together. But nothing could remedy his dissolution …

“*Depravity*, Son of Harweel. Only depravity retrieves the Wayward soul. No one knows why, but only horrors can render it whole, the commission of atrocities. You recover yourself for a slender interval, and you despair, crack for shame at the dishevelled beast you have become, *and you rejoice*. You *live!* The hunger for life burns far stronger in us than in Men, Son of Harweel. The suicides among us are miraculous, rare names in the Great Pit of Years …

“And so Nil’giccas—the most Illumined of our ancient Heros—took to *depravity* …” "

>>25211830
>>25211703
He IS putting on a show though

>>25211704
>libgen
its on mobilism gramps

>>25211865
wdym

>>25211856
Fucking SICK of you Bakkertranny.

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It's not like I read you or anything... B- BAKKER!

>>25211867
alright, fine. i'm not as into newfangled piracy sites as you lot are

>>25211881
Tsundere implies I secretly like you, which I in fact, do not.

>>25211881
What is this? Asuka for zoomers?

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>>25211891
rin from fate, a VN from 2004

>>25211891
Fate Stay Night is hardly a zoomer thing, Rin's just as much of Tsundere royalty as Asuka or Vegeta.

>>25211896
So an Asuka for zoomers, gotcha.

>>25211896
>>25211904
>2004
So zoomer Asuka, gotcha.

>>25210205
Zothique is mandatory knowledge for anyone who reads fantasy.

>>25211909
>>25211907
Not at all.

>>25211670
In The Darkness That Comes Before, Bakker says of the young Kellhus’s Dunyain training: “He was to be like a tree, reaching in all directions at once.”

>>25211907
kys retard

>There had been no sexual play between the boy and me, as I believe there had been at some time between Dorcas and Jolenta.
Where the FUCK did that come from? There is zero hinting at any lesbianism between the two in Claw from what I can remember.

The bomanz chapters in the third black company book could be removed and nothing would be lost. In fact, it would be better without those boring pieces.

is game of drones worth reading?

>>25211996
And just have Dorcas ignore Jolenta's ridiculous bimbo tits???

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>Let’s not change the subject just yet. Ver Cannedan is a brittle soul of the type only small men who become bullies ever achieve.
niggas will be 5' 11" and write shit like this

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what's with all the lanklet propaganda in scifi these days?
>The man was at one of the new Carryx-designed machines that seemed as much animal as lab equipment. He was half a head shorter than Tonner with close-cropped gray hair and a mustache that had been groomed to within an inch of its life. His arms were crossed, and his chest puffed up like a bantam’s.
>the little man said
>the little man repeated
>The little choreographer
>He has a hell of a punch for such a little guy
>The arrogant little dancer
>then little choreographer
>Ver Cannedan is a brittle soul of the type only small men who become bullies ever achieve.
>But because Ver threw his little tantrum
LOOOOOL LOOK AT THE FAT GEEK WHO WROTE THIS SLOP BTW!!! niggas will look like this and write heightist screeds

>>25207595
>my issue is that Dresden is Jim Butcher's self insert power fantasy, and every single woman is described as beautiful and they all want to fuck him
This is a good thing.

>>25211670
Semiosis

>>25207595
My issue with Dresden is I fucking hate Karrin Murphy and how obvious it is that she makes Butcher's PP hard. Granted I've only read the first three but she single handedly ruined book 2 and wasn't much better in 3 either iirc.

>>25207595
My issue with Dresden is I fucking hate Karrin Murphy and how obvious it is that she makes Butcher's PP hard. Granted I've only read the first three but she single handedly ruined book 2 and wasn't much better in 3 either iirc.

>>25207595
My issue with Dresden is I fucking hate Karrin Murphy and how obvious it is that she makes Butcher's PP hard. Granted I've only read the first three but she single handedly ruined book 2 and wasn't much better in 3 either iirc.

So many problems lately.

>>25212033
Paizuri is coming to tamriel with the next book

Jolenta makes me think of the corn mush but made with coffee