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>>25322536
>>25322549
I guess it was too much sovl for the average person. And hugmonous debuff to no litrpg/isekai. That's my cope anyway :^)

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>>25322570
Ok

>>25322580
Anon... Your shit just won't do well on RR.

It's like going to grim murder mystery horror thriller publisher and trying to push a diabetes sweet romance story onto them without a twist.

>>25322593
I've been posting it on scribblehub and spacebattles as well. It's doing even worse on both. The hard reality is no one likes actual war space operas like lotgh or gundam. You could say people are getting filtered by my prose and pacing as well. Could also just reuse the ad here on 4chinz and see what happens.

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>>25322580
>Cosmic Titans
>Mechas
>Space Opera
why have you drawn an 07 runescape character?

>>25322580
it's a bit rough but the issue is definitely the genre, not a great fit for RR
I recommend SpaceBattles and QuestionableQuesting (the nsfw section, which ironically has a bunch of sfw shit in it and is the most trafficked part of the site)

>>25322598
people aren't bouncing because of your story or genre if they're not even clicking the ad
ideally a viewer should be able to get an idea of what your story is from the ad's visual elements, see >>25322599
it sounds retarded but I shouldn't have to read the words on your ad to get an idea of what it's about

Recommend me harem novels with a male MC.

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>>25322570
CRAWLER CARL

>>25322598
>The hard reality is no one likes actual war space operas like lotgh or gundam
You're writing for a niche, anon. Write what you want to write, but you need to accept that unless what you want to write is already readily digestible, you are going to be beheemed by the grimdark realities of the average RR slop devourer.

>>25322612
I could, but I already did so and I feel like doing that again in this thread would constitute unwarranted shilling, so instead I'll tell you to go look for the title in the previous one.

>>25322618
Yeah it's tough out here but I'll live with it. I have an idea for another ad but I'll focus on getting part 2 started first than that.

>>25322598
why are you giving into muh metrics rhetoric?
you clearly care about what you're writing and are writing for the love of the game, not the attention
>but attention would be nice...
be happy with your breadcrumbs as you set your table for starvation
also >>25322580
this cover is fucking god awful. your cover art captures the spirit of what you're writing and communicates the tone/intent/vibe so cleanly, how did you fuck up this ad so bad

>>25322452
Next time you decide to make an off-topic post, do not press the Submit button.

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>>25322637
The cover art I commissioned a artist to draw it. the ad I drew myself. I thought about re-using this one as an ad but I'd have to redraw and resize it for ad format.

>>25322607
Interesting, I was checking out ads on that one site that has a load of them to study and they seemed to always include them, luckily I still have all the text layers if I ever feel like redoing it (like on lit maybe).

>>25322673
no, you can (and even should) include text, the text just needs to be supplementary and not what actually sells the viewer on whether to click or not
when someone encounters an ad the first thing they do is look at it, then they either:
>immediately click on it
>ignore it
>read it
after reading it then they again decide to either
>click on it
>ignore it
ideally you want to minimise the decision tree to them simply clicking, the more time they have to think and digest your ad, the more chances they have to decide the product isn't for them and ignore it
all of this is besides the point that the visual language of your ad is just terrible, why does the viewer have to read the very top-right corner, then the very bottom-left corner, in random fonts and font sizes and colours
one tiny thing you can do to make it marginally better is flip the picture and have the text in the top left and bottom right, that's more comfortable to read, and make the ground dark with white font on top
note that all of this is just the opinions of one retard, i've never done an ad on RR nor do i know anything about marketing
also you should remove the title of the story from your ad, imo there's absolutely no reason to include one

I refuse to believe people who click on ads are real. I genuinely cannot fathom what thoughts one would have which would result in them clicking on one. do they just not understand what an advertisement is?

>>25322728
The people that click on ads are the same people that don't have adblock installed.
Also it's a free story, it's not like it's a link to buy cookware.

>>25322728
Not everyone is autistic, and I mean that genuinely.

There are people who click on ads and they are not you or me, but they exist. Because you are autistic you cannot imagine them or their mindset.

Some people on RR and other sites just want to read a cool story to pass the time on public transport and such. A creative ad slips a suggestion under their nose. That's all it is - a suggestion. Nobody is forcing them to click and read at gunpoint.

What are gu?

>>25322770
Sometimes evil insect cultivators/pets, sometimes inverted evil forms of demon qi.

>>25322598
I bet I could write a war space opera.
Talking completely out my ass, you have to introduce characters and ground the story even when you go on chapter long battle scenes. It's not that the cavalry swooped in from below the ecliptic and wiped out the reserves, it's that the MC is now FUCKED and he needs to pull some crazy strat out of his ass or his commander, the hot one, is going to die.

Of course I'm a big fan of Peter F Hamilton Orson Scott Card and Frank Herbert and Kevin Anderson. So I'd be riffing off them really hard while leaning on Asimov and Heinlein to keep things grounded for the characterization.

Before you tell me to write that space opera if I'm so great, I'm busy. Sorry.

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>>25322673
>using Ramiel-kun but colorswapped
DID YOU THINK I WOULDN'T NOTICE?

>getting clearly AI-generated comments
jesus this shit is so bleak

>>25322807
I just finished reading the latest chapter, and wow—what a doozy! The twists, the tension, and the way everything unfolded had me completely hooked from start to finish. You really know how to keep readers on the edge of their seats.

Huge congratulations on another fantastic chapter. Your storytelling continues to impress, and I can't wait to see where you take things next. Looking forward to the next update already!

>>25322743
>>25322728
Clicking on ads, or indeed seeing ads at all, is retarded. Understanding the people who do that is easy: they're stupid. Most people are very fucking stupid. They see some uglyass MS paint doodle with a lame meme imitating whatever was cool on xitter 4 months ago and think "ah, this is for me." Because they're fucking stupid, barely sentient, and have no impulse control.

>>25322728
ads try to influence you subconsciously

>>25322728
RR is possibly the only site in existance I'll ever leave ads on for. It's mainly all user ads and I only generally see them when I preview my chapter drafts anyway. I like seeing them cus they're usually amusing to me. I'll give it a click but usally don't ever read a story that way.

>>25322776
It'd be nice to see more of them. I was following Asgarth one for a while but it's too evident he's simply just not going to continue it anymore after all the pushback he was getting near the current chaps. There was this new fic that came out about a femc commander on the moon, High Ground, but it's not what I'm looking for. It's tricky because I also would norminally be interested in something like Honorverse and Expanse, but I read stuff physically and I don't want to invest in absurdly long series. Maybe I ought to check out Thrawn's trilogy, but for now I'm backed up with War and Peace and a few other trilogies like Three Kingdoms.

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Almost done with Volume 3.

When that's done I'll be working on getting Volume 2 ready to publish.

First draft wordcounts:

Vol 1: 146,261
Vol 2: 149,021
Vol 3: 141,340 (+ 10 chapts on Patreon) and counting.

>>25322921
>I'll give it a click but usally don't ever read a story that way.
Extremely devilish way to misdirect the ad buyer.

>>25322868
>>25322868
Btw, I'm a graphic illustrator. I had some ideas for [Character] I'd like to share with you. Can we connect on Discord?

>>25322728
If the concept speaks to you , why not?

>>25323039
>If the concept speaks to you
>the concept: numbers go brrr

>>25323056
Fuck kinda concept are you expecting?

bros... i feel it creeping up on me...
im going to ditch my fiction soon...
brehs...

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>>25323136
Why do you people just drop everything you write?

>>25323138
it's taking too long to get started and nobody in their right mind would sit through what i've written and believe i wasn't leading them on and wasting their time

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>>25322779
I associate it more with Hellraiser but that's probably just because I read it way before I saw Evangelion.

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Wow , an alt-history slop about Chu-Han contention instead of Three Kingdomslop. Looks like I'm eating good tonight

>>25323143
Well if you drop it then you definitely wasted their time you niggerfaggot.

Imagine picking up a story, expecting it to go somewhere, and then the guy writing it just drops it.

Are you intentionally ragebaiting people?

>>25323143
i have been writing my story since 2019.

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>Spend over w year writing a story
>Most of the work goes to editing, as I really want to publish a perfect product
>Launch
>good reception on RR
>I create Patreon
>six months later:
>250+ members
>only 9 paid members ($5 tier)
WHY WONT ANYONE SUPPORT MY STORY? YOU CHEAP CUNTS. I GOT BILLS TO PAY. WHAT GOOD IS IT HAVING MEMBERS WHO DONT CONTRIBUTE TO ME NOT HAVING TO WORK OVERTIME AT THE FACTORY?!!

>>25323256
>a perfect product
Creating a perfect product at the factory for a year long, you'd get your ass fired.
Nobody owes you those $5. If you have bills to pay, get a job.

>>25323256
Why would you even have a free tier to begin with?

>>25323256
treating art like an investment is retarded
calculate how much you'd have made if you got a little part time job to fill all those hoursyou spent writing, or got some training to get into a better career
it cannot ever be about the money because that's the very last thing you're ever goingto get from art

>>25323256
how's your conversion rate looking

>>25323265
NTA but free members can join on patreon without any tiers.

>>25323256
I always wonder whether anons like this are even good writers
It usually turns out they're mediocre at best, sometimes straight up bad even by amateur standards. Where does the delusion you can make thousands on patreon for that stem from?

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>>25323355
>Where does the delusion you can make thousands on patreon for that stem from?

>>25323355
I mean you can go into the top 100 on RR, go to the Patreons, and see the numbers for yourself.

>>25323363
You should absolutely not expect to get into the top 100. Frankly getting into the top 1000 is already quite something.

>>25323355
Writing in the top stories is total dogshit. Beginners just always underestimate the precepts and the necessary commitment to the genre conventions. You don't try to be perfect and artistic in the web novel scene. It's not the place for that. You deliver the slop, exactly like the big boys do, or you'll regret it. And suck their dick, so they won't send their social media armies to fuck you up.

>>25323155
That was probably the inspiration for Eva Ramiel to begin with, desu.

So, what's the best pricing tier for patreon?

$1 for 2 chapters and then $5 for 15 chapters for more value? Or is that being too generous with the lowest tier?

>>25323362
if it happened to someone else, it's practically guaranteed to happen to me!
the guy who won the last jackpot wasn't even that exceptional of a person. that means my ever amazing and genius self is not only more likely to win, but more deserving too!

>>25323397
Only one tier really matters and it's the one with the most available chapters. You can set up a poorfag option just to appear nice, but if someone can't afford $10, they're not going to pay $1 either.

>>25323397
just condense it into 1 tier and no more than 10 bucks in this economy. depending on your word count as well, 4k words per chapter and having 10 advanced chapters is more than worth for most readers IME.

you'll have to manually tag your chapters to be separated into tiers because patreon doesn't have a system to do that and you'll inevitably get too lazy to tag the next chapters for the lowest tiers in place.

>>25323362
>>25323363
>>25323388
The stories I see posted here are substantially worse than the top stories on RR, which was my point: delusion of capability

>>25323417
wrong

>>25323417
>delusion of capability
ermm it's the Dunning-Kruger effect but yer absolutely right. most stories here are too 'avant-garde' for the average rr fag that their audience is too small for it to ever make more than $100 and that's if it's actually good writing.

follow the trend first and gain an audience from it before being too indulgent and experimental. it's the 'fast food wagie' stage of your writing career so don't even be ashamed of it, nearly everyone goes through it (FUCK YOU MLA for stealing my and writing it first).

>>25323423
f anon?

>>25323434
no, I'm peak anon!

Why does the male protagonist always gets raped in Korean in winnies?

>>25323397
I charge nothing for chapters and a donation starts at $2.5.

>An absolute delight.
>The story is standard but the way it's written makes it feel fresh and engaging.
>The grammar is flawless, but I'm not an expert.
>The best part are the characters.
Why does every review look like written by the same person?

>>25323480
I'm sowwy bwo it's all me I just wanted to encourage you bwo...

>>25323480
because what makes people enjoy a story is consistent
it's not something new every time

>>25323485
Sure bruh

>>25323397
Patreon recommends you don't set your price lower than €3 iirc.

If you genuinely believe your web novel is too “avant-garde”, you’re probably genuinely retarded.
You’re writing in the realm of reading for leisure where most people indulging in your work are the type who don’t read descriptions and will skim until they get to the “good part”. You’re still a shit writer because you failed to understand your audience and presented ideas ultimately for nobody.

Should male elves exist in a fantasy world or should elves be female-only?
Should female orcs exist or should they be male only?

>>25323548
Anons should masturbate thoroughly before posting.

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What are our thoughts on My Vampire System?

>>25323558
>webnovel.com stories
Lmao

>>25323555
Anons should masturbate me before I post.

>>25323558
And then I Tokyo Vampired all over the System.

>>25323548
Elves should be both male and female and both should be fuckable.
Orcs should be only female and they should be fuckable. The lore reason for this is all the male orcs are exterminated.

>start reading the original SCP-055 story on the scp wiki
>it's told in the present tense

This is driving me insane

>>25323548
>elves
both look and behave like women
>orcs
only women with huge tits but they behave like men

>>25323640
First time reading SCP's or did you read the Fifty-Five story alreay?

>>25323647
I've read plenty of individual SCP articles, but I've never read any short story on the website.

Or was I supposed to say, "Fifty-Five?" :^)

>>25323655
Nevermind, I read it as if you were reading the article for 055 for the first time, but you're reading the story.
And yeah, that present tense is rather painful. Didn't care about that type of stuff when I read it so many years ago.

>>25323143
Nonsense. My chapters are well into triple digits and I'm just barely halfway through the first arc. I've barely just finished the introduction and setup!
Webnovels are a blessing for us yappers.

>>25323558
I used to like listening to it while I slaved away at my drive thru but ever since they cracked down seriously on phones and actively monitoring cameras I stopped, because they cracked the whip so hard you can't even listen to music. They unironically helped me kill time just listening to it as background noise but I don't consider audio books the same as actually reading, its all background noise like listening to your typical run-of-the-mill documentary video essays or edited long form lets plays on yt.

Accept that there is no unchanging self.
If what is other can be yours, then can't you also be other?
Know that you are the only one under heaven.

Anons, how do I prevent myself from immediately uploading a chapter after finishing it?
In the future, I want to do something like read ahead chapters on patreon or something. But I can't stop the urge from uploading the instant I finish writing a chapter.
How do I keep calm and stockpile chapters?

>>25323694
how long does your story take to get underway, though?

>>25322941
I read your first few chapters; I wasn't really impressed by it. You have a habit of long sentences, and the structure is devoid of dramatic weight.
But I'm happy you found more success than most anons here.

>>25323256
the reason is that actual quality and refinement does not translate to revenue/saleability
this also applies to games, music, etc

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>>25323843
You get used to it.

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>>25323843
>>25323868
womp womp

>>25323039
because clicking ads is inherently unsafe. if you actually see an ad and it piques your curiosity, you should google the name of whatever the thing is instead

>>25323558
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5SVIwwkDM&t=3s
I love the cringe ads it had. Not going to lie, if I could get some shitty Disney show tier ads like these for my own wn, I would.

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>>25323843
>>25323868
>>25323948
I post about once a week.

>>25323843
>>25323868
>>25323948
>>25323960
I presume it is 90% web scraper
I noticed I got like 20 views in first week and then it gradually increase over course of year to 100.
I don't know how anyone would find story that is on hiatus, so it has to be a scraper.

>>25323960
I wouldn't read a once a week story live, my threshold is like 2-5 a week depending on length. everything else gets put on the 'read when it's done' list

How many words should I have ready before starting to publish?

>>25324021
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/16nj6ww/how_to_become_successful_on_royalroad_part_3/
this guide goes over it
I think the tl;dr is that 20k is the minimum to get onto rising stars if that is your goal, but staying on rising stars also demands publishing at a rate faster than you can write, so you'd need a backlog on top of the immediate 20k dump
if you're not doing that then you can publish however much you want

>>25324002
Well, people like you will have to check back for each volume competition. Forbid if my story were serialized. Thankfully it's trad fantasy and not serial fiction.

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i suck at uploading chapters

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Woohoo, I feel nothing

>>25323790
Thematically it takes off in the very first sentence if someone reads it closely.
Plot-action wise about a couple dozen sentences in.
Then because I'm a yapper who loves to gawk at the setting it meanders for way too fucking long because some idiot told me to show and not tell. If I wasn't publishing serially and had shown what it is now as a manuscript to an editor I'm sure a ton of material would have been cut, shortened, and summarized to focus on the important bits.

>>25324232
you could be describing my own draft right now, how do I get over the anxiety of the core episodic plot engine starting up too slowly?
I haven't published anything yet so I could technically strip all of the unnecessary nonsense out of the beginning, but the unnecessary nonsense is the stuff I want to write, and it sets up the contract with the inciting incident at about 30k words in (in a very inefficient roundabout way)
the anxiety's nagging at me to such an extent that I can't even make myself write towards it because I'm afraid of how large the word count will end up ballooning to before The Story gets started
once The Story is underway then i do not fucking care and i will do whatever i want but before that point it's torture just thinking about anything relating to reader retention

>Trying to work on chapter
>"Hey what about this entirely separate story in the same setting?"
I HATE WHEN GOOD IDEAS SHOW UP OUT OF NOWHERE

>>25324253
Is there a reason you can’t move the inciting incident to Chapter 1? If you, as the writer, think that your opening is unnecessary nonsense, then I doubt any reader would stick with it long enough to reach the 30K word mark.

>>25324284
Incorporate it as a side plot eventually. I believe in you! You can do it!

>>25324253
If you've identified your inciting incident that NEEDS to be in chapter one. It's really not optional. RR is just too competitive.
Now if you're going into it not caring about attracting an audience you can do whatever but let's be real we all want big numbers on our author dashboards.

Everything before the inciting incident can be included later as flashbacks or in some other way.

I had the same kind of feeling when I wrote my first chapter. It took almost ten drafts. And for a while I binned it and wrote from where I felt the MC's story began, as a child, and got about 5k words into that before I realized that, okay, I had the vision in my head, and I could refer back to that and save it for a flashback later, and in the meantime I could just hint at it and save it for a really cathartic moment down the line when readers can see it and go "oh, THAT'S why he's all fucked up."

The main thing is setting up JUST enough of the "normal" state of things so that you can do your inciting incident and show how everything changes. And you can study this without much effort by just looking at the top rated page and checking their chapter 1s. You should notice the pattern very quickly.

People shit on Beware of Chicken but the opening there is very strong. MC died in a hazing fight in a cultivation sect, some other dude's soul got merged into his body isekai style, and the MC noped out of the situation as fast as he could. That's the inciting incident. The backstory on how a canadian got into a cultivator's body and why the cultivator sucked and got killed is all handled in flashbacks and character introspection later.

Hope that helps!

>>25324325
>Incorporate it as a side plot eventually.
Oh no it's one of those "Whole new protagonist in a whole different part of the world" things. I have a full plot mapped out for the current work and depending on its performance after my ad run that might happen sooner than later.

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>>25324329
Sounds like patreon exclusive content for the top tier subscribers.
Also you can map out the plot and include it as fluff that side characters can mention to make your world feel more three dimensional.

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>>25324334
>Sounds like patreon exclusive content for the top tier subscribers.
Ha ha yeah totally...

>>25324320
the stuff I want to write is contingent on the stuff that happens in the early chapters
it's unnecessary nonsense as you're reading it, but it sets the tone in a familiar environment before things get turned on their head
think of it like an isekai, but truck-kun appears in chapter 5 because the story is contrasting the milieu of the early chapters with what comes after through the laborious idiotic show-don't-tell that anon referred to
>>25324325
>If you've identified your inciting incident that NEEDS to be in chapter one. It's really not optional. RR is just too competitive.
the prologue and chapter 1 are both extremely snappy immediate openings, the inciting incident is basically an appointment between the protagonist and the deuteragonist, and the first half of this (extending the offer) is done in about 1000 words
then it slams the breaks as the story desperately tries to make the protagonist accept the fucking offer, with the remaining 29k is the MC accepting it, going there, meeting the deuteragonist, the offer is worked out between both parties and the plot begins

>>25324284
I know that feel. I just spent 3 days writing scenes that don't appear until the next book.

>>25324353
I at one point spent a night designing shit that may not be for two books entirely if this keeps going past the first book.

>>25324338
>truck-kun in chapter 5
Check any popular isekai written in the last decade and you'll see trucking happens in chapter one. Chapter 5 is way too late. Even in Mushoku Tensei it happens very quickly, only starting early enough to show the complete destruction of MC's life due to his shitty behavior, and even that happens almost comically fast.

>the prologue and chapter 1
Anon don't do a prologue. I won't rehash every reason why but just don't. In a published printed novel they can be forgiven because a reader is already invested and they're literally holding the ending in their hands but webnovel readers are way more fickle, and you really have to hook them early, and even with excellent bait and the hookiest-hook, half of them won't continue to chapter two. Starting them on a prologue might just drive them away entirely.
>the inciting incident is basically an appointment between the protagonist and the deuteragonist, and the first half of this (extending the offer) is done in about 1000 words
Okay that's good pacing, and you can take that fluff 29k words and give it more direction with probably a few tweaks to make that your arc one, where the protag's rejection of the deal is the inciting incident and he has to deal with the consequences and overcome both the problems he's caused and himself and grow and change so he can become the kind of person who accepts the deal, and then gets on with the larger plot.

>oh hero of our shitty village, will you take the sword of beginnings and go slay the demon king?
>lol no
>wat
>player walks around the village
>monsters invade
>he grinds for exp for a while
>stores close down, inn closes down, no more healing
>demons start showing up
>every npc begging him to take the sword and start playing the game properly
>ugh fine okay
>his ONE elixir for the entire game is used to heal him back to full
>reputation set to lowest possible level for letting his hometown get overrun
>all monsters like ten levels higher
>welcome to hard mode

something like that.

You can have big twists early on just make sure you foreshadow and signpost them properly.

>>25324360
>Anon don't do a prologue.
funnily enough I think prologues are pointless as well (I made this post >>25314669 which so very conveniently described the function of my prologue as the only righteous and permissible use case), but I think the premise of this story fits it well, co-operative arrangement that needs two parties to agree, first side (400 word or so prologue) is resolved, provides a window into that part of the world, then is contrasted with slow plodding for the second party (29k words of MC saying lol no)
the sword of beginnings is referred to and teased constantly throughout the early chapters so the reader is hopefully on the hook throughout the nonsense, it's all foreplay
the point is that when he finally gets the sword of beginnings, it turns out it's level -1 after all that on-page myth making, but the council of elders telling him to save the shitty village inform him that it is indeed the sword in the prophecy despite its level, so he does have to use it
the sword is so shit that it basically saps his own middling power in the process, so reaching the inciting incident is also the nadir and it's all uphill from there
he has to make the level -1 be an integer overflow instead of literally making him weaker or something

>>25324388
Well you have the text and I don't so ultimately it's your call.
I would just say that there's a reason all the popular and successful stories do very similar things in regards to pacing and inciting incidents and chapter 1s.

Good luck!

>>25324406
thanks anon, your framing has helped as it does map well onto what I was doing in the document
I just saw the word count and started despairing, but I think only half of the inciting incident being honoured in chapter 1 is incitement enough so long as deferral on MC's part is clearly narrated as an arc in itself

>>25324360
Would having the first chapter be an action start fakeout (It takes place in a game) and ending with the event that leads to the isekai be fine?

>*Record scratch*
>You're probably wondering how I ended up here
Doesn't work for novels sorry.

does /wng/ write better than /wg/?

>>25324440
/wng/ writes and /wg/ doesn't

>>25324440
Yes, and that's simply due to the fact that /wng/ writes and /wg/ doesn't.

>>25324440
Yes
see
>>25324451
Even /wg/'s most recent notable book. The Dark Triad is only 28k words.