>>23701032
b-but Anno said

>>23701032
I thought this 20 years ago but watching it now, it's quite a likeable movie. I love the agony of Char and Amuro's unending befuddlement at his rivals inability to escape gravity. I love the ending of the human spirit coming together to create a miracle.

Il convinced 50% percent of you niggers don't event like mecha why the fuck are you posting here???

>>23701104
The only other options are social media like twitter or facebook full of SEAniggers or discord full of wannabe fascists and faggots. At least we can call each other slurs openly here.

Not only is CCA not shit but it's also the only UC entry I like.

>>23701032
But enough about F91

>>23701112
>wannabe fascists and faggots
You mean Zeeks?

>>23701306
F91 is good actually

>>23701306
i liked f91

>>23701032
it's shit BUT IT'S MY SHIT

>>23701306
True F91 has never been achieved.

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https://www.animatetimes.com/news/details.php?id=1616398171

Tomino speaks about CCA in 2021

The main points:
>Tomino thinks CCA is not good at all with repetitive story and endless battle scenes
>rates it 55 or 60/100
>regrets it couldn't be made with Yasuhiko who would portray Char better in scenes with Quess and Nanai
>calls it an amateurish work and Forrest Gump is better
>explains poor script and pacing caused by coming up with the ending first
>Chan's death forced to reach the conclusion
>wishes he had 30 minutes more
>realized it was a disaster 4/5 through the storyboards
>can't recommend new fans watch it

>>23702174
>amateurish work and Forrest Gump is better
kek based god tomino got jokes
Also
>wishes he had 30 minutes more
Should've been a 12 ep series

>>23702174
>Open a box of chocolates
>A hollowed out asteroid hits you in the face

>>23702174
Okay, so is he saying that High Streamer/Beltorchika's Children how we should have experienced the story?

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>OP post has one worthless sentence that could be describing anything, nothing of substance to engage with
>people still reply to this
I don't know why I'm still here

>>23702174
all this is very obvious. Does the emperor himself have to declare he has no clothes on for the pseuds to believe he has no clothes on?

>>23702174
>translation done by the guy that obviously hates CCA so its all bullshit

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The only way CCA could be better, the only way, is if Quess was replaced with Asuka.

>>23702615
Go back to your fanboy cave, Anno.

>>23701032
death
kill yourself
your family would be in a better place if you were never born

>>23702174
Tomino is his own harshest critic, he dislikes many of his works, that's how he keep his professional drive alive.

-- It's been about 30 years since Char's Counterattack was released, but what did you yourself feel when you rewatched it?

Tomino: I feel at ease because it was 30 years ago, but if creators become complacent with their own work, it will only deteriorate, so I can't really praise it (laughs).

>>23702045
keked out loud. great post.

>>23702615
>The only way CCA could be better, the only way, is if Quess was replaced with Rei.

FTFY

>>23702174
You left out all the positive things he said about it.

The fact that Tomino dislikes Zeta and CCA and feels like he did nothing wrong with Turn A and G-Reco should tell you all you need to know.

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>>23702920
That people are ever changing and often times look back on their youthful creations and cringe?
That Tomino is in a much better place emotionally and no longer understands his own work that was made in the throes of depression?
That he an old man who just says crazy shit to mess with people?

>>23702920
trvke

>>23702920
Turn A is his magnum opus though?

>>23702920
He also thinks G-Reco is shit

>>23702930
Nope, he says he's proud of it and did nothing wrong and it's other people's problem if they don't get it

>>23702931
>I haven’t produced an outstanding work for 20 years

https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2017/03/13/yoshiyuki-tomino-on-gundam-newtypes-and-the-perilous-future-facing-humanity/

>>23702939
what did he make in 1997 that was outstanding?

>>23702958
his last outstanding with was Brain Powerd

>>23702615
Irony is that Quess voices Asuka's mother.

>>23702045
No F91 is an good movie even as it is.

>>23703322
I love F91, but you can tell when some scenes were suppose to be told over the course of 3-5 episodes.

>>23703199
True

and it's my favorite. But you're probably a fag.

>>23701032
Literally every single person on /m/ thought it was bad 15 years ago. You would not find a single person saying it was more than mediocre. Why does it have so many deranged fans now?

>>23703704
love the film but I can see why older fans may not like it as his penultimate appearance. I'm sure fans of Seed love it for whatever reason, but I'll be damned if I can't find it. I think CCA kicks ass as a climatic space drama that evokes very basic emotions but in a way that leaves be cathartic.

But I guess what it actually is, is Char has stopped being 'Darth Vader' in perception, instead now being a Joker type.Him going out like a petty little ball of seethe was just as amazing as Ruenthal rebelling for nothing but his own ego/pride. But also I'm just a fan of Tomino in general and I like how sometimes his characters can be so true to their own flaws. It's satisfying to see them be true to who they are. Like the scorpion that stings the frog.

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no

>>23703704
>Literally every single person on /m/ thought it was bad 15 years ago.
I remember that. This board was so cringey back then, but luckily people have evolved.

>>23703704
lol no, there were some who liked it, either for the mech fights or char-amuro rivalry, but they were there.
besides, a work continues to be evaluated, something that is disliked now, can get fans few years later.
>15 years ago
most of them either were toonamitards who watched UC out of order or forumfags from mahq/ann/gaemfaq/evageeks who circlejerked each other. 00s anime and mecha discourse was dogshit, loud and ill informed, misinformation was rampant and people in general were way more ignorant of the franchise. I won't say things are perfect now but it's way better than back then.

>>23702174
Tomino also publicly stated in his interviews that he hates 0079,Victory, Zeta, Zambot, Ideon, etc...
The only work he didn't say it was shit was Turn A

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god what an absolute pile of shit

>>23701032
I thought it was a 7/10, 10 years ago
Rewatched it 3 times and I still think it's 7/10.
When I read Beltrochika Manga, I realized we got the inferior version of the story with the movie.
The movie only had a better ending, but everything else was better in the manga/novel.

>>23702920
>>23702924
I don't think he changed that much along those periods

>>23704341
Based Tomino

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>tfw the only reason Nanai and Haman have the same VA is because she sounds like she loves oral sex

>Let's sell the giant asteroid to the guy who we know was already planning to smash asteroids into the Earth
Why

>>23703704
because the Nu gundam and Sazabi are cool robots

>>23704341
>that he hates 0079... Zambot... Ideon
I thought he was generally positive about those (albeit mostly praising other people's work on them, while having reservations about his own contributions)?

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>>23702958
It was '96, but close enough

>>23704595
Not only that, but the only person in the room who realized they Federation was being fucking Bugs Bunny'd was Mirai's lame ass ex-fiancee.

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>>23704595

>>23702476
This whole board is just oldfags trying their hardest to make this place inhospitable for other oldfags now. There's nothing meaningful to be gained here.

>>23702920
>feels like he did nothing wrong with Turn A and G-Reco
Half of G-Reco feels like him reintroducing ideas from Turn A and trying to do them again.
Which reinforces the idea that he's never satisfied with his own works, which kind of makes focusing on his opinions of his own work kind of fruitless.

>>23704595
Brazilian politicians are just that corrupt.

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>>23704576

>>23705746
νガンダムHWSDFFLFFHMBL

>>23705746
Behold the truest form of the high streamer!

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>>23701032
En Taro Deikun, are Zeon people aliens? Zeon people don't poo as they have no buttholes unlike filthy Earthlings. Do Zeon people have their own language like Kuuga's Gurongis and Geat's Jyamatos?
Na adan atum, Rautha sakh ash, Shalala arai Zeon!! (Zeon language: We stand as one, we won't fall easily, as we stand together under Zeon!)

>>23701032
Be careful. If you shit on a Janny's favorite mecha you get banned.

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>>23701032
>an absolute pile... of.... shit...

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>>23704341
>Tomino also publicly
posted based shit as well

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>>23704616
the Feddies finally fucken given Amuro bits.
It's about time after a decade stiff arming him with substandard NT units...

CCA is such an awesome movie and I question the judgment of anybody who hates it.

My favorite part was when Quess became emotional on the battlefield.

>>23706393
The best version of CCA was a ytp based on the sitcom home improvement, but apparently it has been taken down at we still have this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kRp_OoOn2LM

>>23705881
I like how this neatly explains why it feels like AEUG was just the Radish, the Argama, and like, maybe a few other guys

I like the last part of the movie. Need to read the BC novel to see if it'll be better. As for its presentation, it is a beautiful movie.

so who bought tickets to see it in theaters?

>>23707087
I've seen it in theaters a few times
first was around when The Scorpion King came out, Uni Orlando's AMC would host one of the Orlando anime clubs so they ran it then
caught a Fathom showing... I think once? maybe twice
I def recall the audience popping when Quess dies
did those guys who did the First Trilogy do CCA too? I feel like I caught a good HD edition

>>23706427
Half of the entire human race, plus at least 1/2 the Federation fleet and 2/3 of Zeon's forces dying by the start of Zeta also explains it. It's a fucking miracle that there's people left by the time of Victory. There's a reason why pretty much every skirmish in CCA is like: 2 ships, 3 mobile suits, and 15 dummy balloons per side.

>>23709885
oh yeah the several dozen "half of humanity was wiped out" events from 0079 and 0087 works too, but "AUEG was really a bunch of cats in a trenchcoat as part of a secret jew scheme" is funny

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>>23701032
Gonna start reading the Beltorchika's Children manga. Is it a better version of CCA?

>>23710071
it's a direct adaptation of the novel, which ruins Amuro's and Beltorchika's character a bit. There's no Lalah line at the end, so it's automatically inferior version of the story for me.

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>>23706427
>>23709885
I liked in 0079 how during the big battles in the latter half of the show it would cut away to random GMs and Zakus getting blown up. Made those battles seem really big.

By comparison, Char's forces in CCA were just 11 Musakas and the Rewloola. The Londo Bell is just 3 Clops and the Ra Cailum.

>>23710040
After a while, you'd assume that Shlomo Conspiracybaum would realize that all that's happening is bumbling Space Nazis are making the entire planet uninhabitable.

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>Tfw I kept waiting thru Zeta and CCA for Amuro and Sayla to meet again and get together not knowing the deal with her seiyuu

>>23710071
Yes, by leaps and bounds. Quess is less annoying (still very annoying but any improvement is something), Gyunei falling for Quess is explained, Chan is gone, and Hathaway is less of a brat.

>>23701032
But enough about the Gundam compilation movies

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>that's because you're so cute Chan
best line of the movie, i make sure to say this to every woman i meet

>Every Gundam video game that isn't based off the anime (Zeonic Front, Side Story 0079) is a straight forward military based plot about valor, brotherhood and sacrifice
>Every Gundam show/movie is about destiny, understanding each other's feelings, escaping the gravity of the earth and other gay shit

>>23710997
real

>>23701306
F91 is better than CCA

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>>23702174
>wishes he had 30 more minutes
Yeah, me too. I just watched it for the first time last night. The animation was good, but it feels like the big battle episodes of MSG/Z/ZZ, but without the character build ups or ramping up of tension. He just needed more time on characters instead of the (well done) fight scenes. Quess and Hathaway were pointless outside of adding child characters just to have child characters. Chan-Amuro could use a little more development and Chan should replace Kayra in scenes and as the Re-GZ pilot. Other stuff too.

In general, there needs to be more talking and interaction. The movie starts at the peak of an arc, but with out the arc, you're just kind of helicoptered to the top of a mountain with no idea of why everyone else up there on the summit matters. I'm going to check out Beltorchika's Children and see what the hell Tomino was actually trying to execute.

>>23710071
That art definitely is inferior to Kitazume's

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>>23713757
>Beltorchika's Children
I'm totally confused on what the difference adn realtionships are between CCA, Hi-streamer, and Beltorchika's Children is. CCA is the main, finished movie, but then HS and BC are two different drafts of it, right? HS came first and was changed during publication to fit closer to the eventual CCA storyline, while BC is the original concept that Tomino went back to and reworked after CCA. Do I have that right?

>>23713797
As Hi-Streamer was serialized in Animage magazine and later presented as Char's Counterattack, I understand some readers may feel confused. I, too, found myself in a predicament, unable to make the final decision on this matter. I'd like you to understand that this situation arose from a misalignment of good intentions among all parties involved. Initially, I had a personal desire to craft Hi-Streamer as a long-running story, separate from the business constraints of television. The Animage editorial team graciously agreed to this vision. We had envisioned a narrative that would incorporate elements of the Char's Counterattack movie while continuing as Hi-Streamer, extending beyond the film's scope. However, when this work was interpreted solely as material for the film,
the possibility of a continuing story vanished, leaving my original intentions hanging in the air. To address this, we reintroduced the Hi-Streamer title
alongside Char's Counterattack from the second volume. Yet, unless there's an outpouring of support from readers, I fear Hi-Streamer may not see a true revival.

- Tomino, in the Afterword of Hi-Streamer

In an interview, Tomino mentioned that Hathaway's Flash was also going to be included into its story. Tomino's desire to craft a long running narrative and escape the trappings of Gundam was unsuccessful, he later tried that again with Gaia Gear.

>while BC is the original concept that Tomino went back to and reworked after CCA.
Since Animage had published HS novel, Kadokawa missed out on opportunity to have a direct tie-in to the film. So the editor requested Tomino to pen something and he submitted BC quite quickly.
BC is a motif novel, it is meant to supplement the film as a sort of mixed media. It is not the original concept, just one of the many versions being thrown around (one version Tomino sent to the film committee straight up did not have Mobile Suits in them).

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>>23711070
>The overarching message is that all of that valor, brotherhood, and sacrifice is in service to a handful of people who absolutely could change the world for the better, but don't; rendering the actions of those soldiers utterly pointless

>>23714602
So we basically don't really have a concrete idea of how the story was suppose to go down aside from:

>Char wishes to deal a fatal blow to the EF
>Amuro is trying to live a better life
>Hathaway takes over the reins as protagonist when Char and Amuro's final confrontation ends with nothing really changing

>>23714602
>one version Tomino sent to the film committee straight up did not have Mobile Suits in them
Damn, I would do unspeakable things in order to be a fly on the wall during the meeting where Tomino pitched that to the corporate suits.

Really though, I unironically think that would have been great. It's a real shame how the suits became the point of the shows/movie/franchise instead of just another literary device that enables characterization.

Did I miss something or like... how was I supposed to know Amuro dies at the end? I understand Char dying because Amuro slam dunked him into axis

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>>23718611
>Did I miss something or like... how was I supposed to know Amuro dies at the end?
he disappears and is replaced with dust. what did you think happened?

>>23718611
Yeah I didn't get that either.

>>23718611
>die
The official stance is missing in action.

>>23718611
If you hate Newtype stuff, the explanation is that the Psychoframe amplifier overloaded and killed both him and Char. The resulting blast was enough to nudge the rear part of Axis off course and save the Earth.

If you understand that Newtype stuff in important part of the series, the Psychoframe amplifier overloaded from the sheer will of Amuro and everyone else wanting to stop Axis (that's why even Neo Zeon guy's helped; they were moved by the sheer will to help). They manage to push Axis out of the way, but the result is that Char and Amuro end up going Beyond the Time (aka, their bodies and minds ascended to "Newtype Heaven") and quite literally overcame Earth's Gravity (the thing Char kept claiming weighted down people's souls).

The shots of people on the Earth looking up at the Axis Shock during the credits are to remind the audience that Char just would have killed innocent people and not the people in power oppressing the Spacenoids.

>>23718611
Bandai wanted to keep it ambiguous at the time, although Tomino clearly wanted him dead and eventually Bandai followed along.

>>23702174
It doesn't mean anything because this guy thinks all of his works are dogshit.

>>23720250
This.
The man's entire career is defined by a series that was originally cancelled in its first iteration, saved by toys, has suffered nothing but continuous meddling by corpo dummies, and is sustained by people who fail to understand that the point of that series is that war fucking sucks.

>>23720250
and he's right

>>23702174
Is the implication that Forrest Gump is a bad film?

>>23721207
Forrest Gump is a mediocre movie and a shit adaptation of the source material (which would have made for a genuinely insane film)

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>>23722999

>>23722999
He looks like a shitty Disney villain here.

>>23724096
If explained poorly, Char does sound like a Disney villain.

"Hahaha. Now that I've lured this little girl to the side of EVIL, I will now drop an asteroid onto Earth because Space People are superior! WHAT?! BEATEN BY THE POWER OF UNDERSTANDING AND KINDNESS??? THIS CAN'T BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (dies horrifically)"

>>23722999
>>23724096
Does he get a good musical number while fighting Londo Bell?

>>23725934
Gravity!
your soul weighed down by
Gravity~

>>23701032
I think you might be wrong

>>23724096
I'm not seeing it.

>>23702615
Quess IS Asuka. She's bratty, seduced easily by a older man, desperate for attention and to prove she's all grown up.

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>being obsessed with the brown skin slut instead of the pink haired babe who is totally into you
What causes this?