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The MK-II may be Clark Kent, but add G-Defensor and you have....SUUUPER GUNDAM!

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now post the actually good MKII

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>>23710080
I prefer her younger sister

I mean the lack of armor was a trade for superior mobility

>>23710080
I kind of hate how much later material tries to take even more away from the MK2, I think at least one source suggests that the Alex was actually the first suit using mobile frame design principles.
And then there's like four different suits claiming to be the true production MK2.

I always took its enduring success as a sign that it was the first suit to reach the performance plateau where pilots are holding back the machines more than machines holding back the pilots.
It's a little like how 4th gen fighters seem to be eternal. An F-15EX from 2021 is undeniably a more capable and modern machine than an F-15C fresh off the line in 1978, but if you get two into dogfight range it's going to come down a lot more to the pilot than the machine.
>>23710252
>Signature machine of three best girls in a row
Can't top it.

>>23710252
Emma :D

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>>23710080
OVERRATED

This is now a Ground Gundam thread

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>>23710368
no

>>23710080
>looks more generic compared to the Ez-8 and Alex and on par with the Ground Gundam
>not as flashy as the original or any other protag Gundams
>still somehow really fucking endearing

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>>23710398
yes

>>23710080
>>23710124
I've been rewatching Zeta lately, and it's really weird that in the earliest episode, they were foreshadowing something about the MK II only to completely forget about it. Clearly Tomino had more plans to the MK II's capabilities but somehow just discarded it.

>>23710400
i find it a really natural progression to the original gundam
it looks like something that was designed to be reminiscent of the original made years later in universe
it's something that zeta does really well in general, it feels like a natural continuation of the original show

>>23710252
>titans uniform
>aeug gundam colors
?

>>23710080
Full Armor Mk ll is Sex

>>23710080
literally the best of its era, matched only by Rick Dias, but go off I guess

>>23710515
There's an entire show you can watch to figure this out...

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>>23710522
A new Master Grade kit of the MK-II with parts for FA would be the bee's knees

>>23710536
A war is an "era"
About 7 episodes is not an "era" and the Mk. II is already meeting Titans MS with arguably superior specs as early as that
It's utterly outmatched by mid season slop like the Gabthley and Psycho-Gundam

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>>23710124
Titans MKII is pure sex.

>>23710484
Elaborate

>>23710080
I like the Mk II better than the RX-78 design wise.

>>23710511
The retroactive existence of the Ground Gundam really helps that as well. I remember commenting that the Mk II looked like a boring military factory version of the Gundam and someone said that that's actually a charm point, that it's the logical progression as well as like, the standard for all other Gundams that followed. It doesn't have that extra joy of seeing an upgrade for the RX with gatling guns, or seeing it in a mass-produced army setting, but it certainly still looks like it can get the job done regardless of whatever you assign it.
I thought I'd enjoy the flashier Zeta Gundam kit more than the boring AEUG-coloured Mk II but I was dead-wrong.

>>23710567
What was the reason the MK II didn't have vulcans built into the head?

>>23710745
Same reason some planes don't integrate them, it means a simpler internal layout and the ability to leave the weight behind if you don't want to bring it. The whole idea of the MK2 was to make the lightest possible mobile suit for the era, every weight saving helped and you could just slap the pod on if you needed it.

>>23710749
NTA but vulcans are always handy to have

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>>23710080
What the fuck is movable frame vs monocoque vs semi-monocoque construction anyway?

Okay movable frame is like exactly an inner skeleton right? Do the motors sometimes come integrated into the frame's joints then?
Monocoque is like an exoskeleton and so it's sandwiched between armor and internal components right?
The hell is semi-monocoque then? Was it actually movable frame + monocoque construction or something? That's how Zaku II already were then, for example. The hell is monocoque then!?

Literally what databook explains this?

>>23710759
True, but keep in mind this was also not meant to be a production mobile suit. It's a testbed, so keeping the head internals simpler and weight down when not needed for a given test may have been justified.

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>>23710760 (me samefagging after finding what to read)
>>23710760
>Okay movable frame is like exactly an inner skeleton right?
Sometimes with minimal armor maybe
>Do the motors sometimes come integrated into the frame's joints then?
Kind of
>Monocoque
>semi-monocoque
Apparently old databook invention that's discarded and memoryholed
Also uhhh gunpla wouldn't be accurate representation for obvious size constraint reasons anyway

>>23710778
There's also the simple fact that they can't sell MGs and PGs of OYW suits with inner frames if they were super anal about it.
I do recall the RG of the MK2 containing specific instructions to build it as a standing inner frame instead of the full suit though.

But yeah, I think the original implication at least was that there's a hard distinction between 'the actual mobile suit' and 'the bits hanging off to protect the mobile suit', which comes with the implication that earlier mobile suit design arranged components and materials in such a way that you couldn't truly build 'just the skeleton' and have a functioning suit.
They discuss it as a weight-saving innovation but to me it always seemed like the advantage would be more in maintenance. Damage that doesn't fully penetrate the armor would be easy to repair by just replacing the relevant plates, less need to disassemble the actual functional components. Faster turnaround and a lower skill level required.
Only way I could really see the approach being weight-saving is if there's a significant weight difference between the material appropriate to say, be the load-bearing part of the arm but also durable enough to function as protection, versus using one material for the load bearing and another for external protection. You might also not have to overbuild say, a leg as much if you don't have to expect the core structure to hold while compromised.

I think the real problem is that it was always alluding to visual language and design changes that've since been backported to modern interpretations of OYW suits.
The punch-out so the leg thruster assembly can be an entirely independent component from the lower leg unit has always been really cool though.

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>>23710809
>There's also the simple fact that they can't sell MGs and PGs of OYW suits with inner frames if they were super anal about it.

Reject modernity. Return to mechanical bits stuck inside shells.

>>23710765
Ok fair, that's interesting to note, why three copies as well? In case one get broken or stolen (and there's no way that that'll happen to all three)?
But then why does the Barzam have the pod, buster, i just think built-in vulcans are very nifty to have at all times
>yeah but doesn't it look neat that they're wearing a headset though
That is also cool, yes

>>23710830
>why three copies as well? In case one get broken or stolen (and there's no way that that'll happen to all three)?
So you can collect diverse data 3 times faster, or cannibalize one of the units for quick repairs, or have two of the units be modified into something else while you keep collecting OG data on OG unit (all of this is my speculation)

>>23710830
The OG gundam also had multiple test variants on side 7, with one being functionally slagged in the attack and the second being in a non-functional state during the attack but still being useful for part.

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>>23710839
There's usually a handful of prototypes for any given project in real life as well.

>>23710839
>So you can collect diverse data 3 times faster
Just paint the learning computer red and you won't need three units. Problem solved.

>>23710368
>>23710446
>>23710398
Ground Gundam isn't canon, so it never existed.

>>23710839
>So you can collect diverse data 3 times faster
Why not just have one and paint it red-
>>23710887
FUCK.
>>23710841
I vaguely know the -1 and -3 existed but that's about it

>>23710124
Based

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>>23710577
In the earlier episodes, there are moments where the Mk-II already moved before Kamille became aware of the danger and there's a part when the MK-II somewhat resonated with Kamille's newtype powers when her mother got killed which made Jerid really spooked.

>>23710915
Nigger, you just went full retard

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>"MK2 wasnt that good"
>held its own more than enough in the gryps war until the Zeta was fully developed
> Super Gundam
> Barzam, GM III wouldnt be developed without it
> even made a decent platform for the beam magnum, giving a tremendous fire asset without having to actually own a RX-0
It wasnt an end all suit by any means, but it sure as shit fits the definition of a "Gundam"

>>23711034
>held its own more than enough in the gryps war until the Zeta was fully developed
I like it too but isn't that a bit unfair considering the main pre-Zeta pilot for it was probably mostly Kamille (and sometimes Emma)

>>23711034
It was outdated the moment Rick Dias came on screen and surpassed by the Marasai. Cope harder

>>23710080
>Also has a fucking cool design
That's probably the best aspect of it, the design is the peak of vanillaish gundam designs.

>>23710830
What the others said about the three units, plus when you have multiple prototypes it's not uncommon for each of them to be specialised in testing a specific thing. The first test airframe might just be for full scale verification of the structure and aerodynamics, the second for low speed flight regime handling dynamics, the third outfitted with additional sensors for structural integrity and G-loading, the fourth integrating the intended radar and fire control systems, etc. The same prototype airframes may also be modified between these various use cases.
The MK2 wasn't conceived of with a direct production analog in mind but all the same, I could see say, unit 1 initially only being the moveable frame for validation, and only being outfitted as a 'full' MK2 after unit 2 and 3 were produced. Funding or scope changes mid-run made it suddenly make sense to reuse what was meant to be a more limited unit after additional planned ones were axed or something.
That they all appear to end up the same final spec doesn't mean they all were initially.

>>23710262
>I think at least one source suggests that the Alex was actually the first suit using mobile frame design principles
To be fair the GM Quel having a partial movable frame in the arms goes back all the way to the 90s. If anything, it's the GM Quel that's losing its interesting tidbits. The Mk II is still the first full movable frame 2nd generation MS. It just had precursors.

>>23711056
Funny, I dont remember seeing the Rick Dias in ZZ

>>23710830
The Federation doesn't just build prototypes as a complete set. They build one and then build more as they experiment with the designs, like with the RX-78 family.
>>23710939
The -1 and -3 are specs, not specific units. They all started out as RX-78-1 but were continuously upgraded during development.
>>23710839
>or have two of the units be modified into something else while you keep collecting OG data on OG unit (all of this is my speculation)
Your speculation is right. The RX-78 unit 1 was the original testbed, built as a RX-78-1 spec machine and basically pieced together and tested at Jaburo. Then they built the unit 2, also a RX-78-1 spec, and they were shipped together to Side 7 for further verification testing. They also built a unit 3 to develop the RX-78-2 spec before it was shipped to Side 7, to power an improved beam rifle. Then after shipping unit 3 they upgraded the units 1 and 2 at Side 7 to the RX-78-2 spec.

Then the show starts and Amuro gets the unit 2. Then the unit 3 aka G-3 got picked up either by the White Base or another Feddie ship and used to test new tech like magnetic coating and computer improvements, which is the RX-78-3 spec. Then later in the show Amuro's Gundam basically gets upgraded to the RX-78-3 spec on the field. It's kind of ambiguous, but some sources like the Robot Spirits special articles imply all of the extra 7 RX-78s started construction around the same time. With the original making 8. That means the Federation was developing the -4, -5, and -6 specs at the same time as the -2, and probably the -3 too.

There's also a red NT-1 that they built after shipping Amuro's NT-1 in a ready-to-assemble Ikea flat-pack state. The red one was used for data collection and further R&D because the NT-1 design was created in a rush, so units like the GM Quel and GM Custom probably descend from the red one, not the one in 0080.

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>>23710080
>>23710536
>>23711034
If you exclude The O, the MK II specs wise was the best general purpose mobile suit until the Barzam hit the field which was just a Mass production version of it. Transformable mobile suits quickly surpassed it's specs with all the money being dumped into them.

>>23710554
That Gaplant looking shield makes it feel like the FAMKII was a TItan's design.

>>23710830
They're three so that their is two back ups along with the spares being able to be modified heavily once testing on the base MK II was completed. Is their any mention how far the MK II was from actual completion?

>>23710760
The real answer is that the movable frame wasn't originally part of UC lore. It was retconned in sometime around Sentinel as part of a push towards more "realism" or whatever. If you look at the earliest manuals, the mk-II's big showstopper feature was its cockpit. Because it was just shoved in, for a really long time it wasn't set in stone exactly what a movable frame IS. So you had people talk about stuff prior being monocoque (ignoring the model kits and scenes in the show where the RX-78-2 clearly has an inner frame) to make the jump to Zeta era MS seem more impressive, but then everyone realize that made no sense so they stopped talking about it.

The best definition of a movable frame you can find these days comes from the Master Archives. I think Zeta's is the best since it goes over the history of its development and naturally has to get to mk-II. If a MS has a movable frame, that means you can take off all the armor and the thing still works. So with the RX-78, if you were to remove all of its armor you'd be taking out some important sensors or electrical bits so the thing can't work at 100% capacity. With the RX-178, you could deploy the thing sans armor entirely and it would work. I don't know why you would do this, but you could.

Due to its awkward origins they've always danced around explaining what it's actually good for. Everything from streamlining manufacturing (ignoring that Zeta had the MOST MS variety out of every UC series so I can't imagine they saw much savings) to changes in design philosophy ("armor was seen as expendable, leading to stuff like the Hyaku Shiki's beam coating" okay cool but everything dies in one hit so what's the difference) to simplifying maintenance (in the series that barely cared logistics and had like one guy servicing 5 MS in ZZ).

>>23711150
It get dropped off at AE and than the Gundam Team and Axis team up to kill some Republic of Zeon Diases. Poor Dias got taken out back :(

>>23711169
Is it ever said if the Nemo and Marasai use MK II based frames? The Hyaku shiki is apparently finished with data from the MK II if i'm not mistaken.

I got the impression moveable frame MS were easier to modify which is why the GM III looks heavily modified compared to GM IIs while late UC Jegans still look similar to their early UC versions despite having superior specs all around.

>>23711201
>Is it ever said if the Nemo and Marasai use MK II based frames
No, but it's kinda obvious. They both magically show up right after AE gets their hands on the Mk-II. The movable frame was retconned in for them much later anyway, with the respective master grade kits iirc.

>>23711201
>GM III looks heavily modified compared to GM IIs
A third of the GM III's parts are shared or derived from the Mk-II, so of course it looks different from the GM II. The Jegan looking the same is just a testament to how lazy the federation got.

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>>23711223
I'm still skeptical of the 1/3 parts on the GM III being derived from the MK II.Though it's obvious the Backpack, shoulders and leg thrusters were developed from the MK II. Though the shock absorbers had to be added since it's still the OG GM Frame probably couldn't handle the MK II thrust output without them.

>The Jegan looking the same is just a testament to how lazy the federation got.
The Jegan Normal Type is quite powerful and is just getting outclassed with the changing times. It performs well against other full sized mobile suits. Also with long periods of peace your standard EF pilot probably doesn't have a lot of combat experience.

Unicorn GM III looks bland compared to the one in ZZ.

>>23711336
I always simply took it as a result of taking the innovations and applying them to a practical production suit, more than the weird
>nah actually it's 1/4th GMII and a GMII is already 90% GM so if you think about it it's really...
shit people get into. Some shared components seems fine but the idea that the III could be a conversion of the II, in turn meaning it could be a conversion of the RGM-79, never really made any sense to me.
>>23711210
The Nemo is also the Zaku'd GM to mirror the Hizack being a GM'd Zaku, even if it's more visible in the paint job than the mechanical design.

>>23711350
>shit people get into. Some shared components seems fine but the idea that the III could be a conversion of the II, in turn meaning it could be a conversion of the RGM-79, never really made any sense to me.
IRL airframes can be in service for decades. The F-15 design is over 50 years old, with currently flying airframes being 20+ years old. Sure, the mechanical components and electronics have been swapped out overtime but the airframe itself is old. To me the idea of an mobile suit from 0079 being considered an antique by 0087 is ridiculous.

>>23711336
>The Jegan Normal Type is quite powerful and is just getting outclassed with the changing times
I mean more how they never pick up new design philosophies. Worst part is they already did it with the Jesta, Rezel, and Gustav Karl but went back to Great Value Mk-II. A shoulder shield on an independent arm can't be expensive right?

>>23711378
Think more in line of airframes from 1939 versus 1947.

>>23711378
Anon, the F-15A and F-15EX might share a base design but you can't convert one into the other with the right parts pack. You can't turn a C into an E, even.
>To me the idea of an mobile suit from 0079 being considered an antique by 0087 is ridiculous.
You should see how quickly they churned through airframes before the 70's. I find it much easier to accept that the Jegan is a plateau than the Federation's very first widely employed mobile suit.

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>>23711169
>people talk about stuff prior being monocoque
I personally think that was fans taking automotive terminology without knowing what it actually meant. A monocoque, also called a unibody, is one body on which things like the suspension, engine, doors, and other things are attached to. Versus frames, which the body as well as everything else is bolted onto. A unibody mobile suit wouldn't even make any sense. Would it be individual limbs only connected at joints?

>>23710809
>armor would be easy to repair by just replacing the relevant plates
>>23711201
>I got the impression moveable frame MS were easier to modify
That would help explain why the MK II lasted so long. It could keep up with anything during the beginning of the Grypps war, when it had mere Titanium Alloy armor plates. At some point those plates could have easily been replaced with Gundarium Gamma plates, helping the MK with weight and durability and therefore performance. And if something like skirt armor got blown off, the Argama could also build a titanium alloy replacement plate as a stopgap until the ship received a resupply.

What about those other modifications like the OYW Pale Rider being converted into a movable frame MS? Isn't that just rebuilding the entire MS at that point?

>>23711426
>A unibody mobile suit wouldn't even make any sense. Would it be individual limbs only connected at joints?
Isn't that basically the Turn A? It's been described as a hollow "doll" that has no motors, the body is covered in some sort of nanomachine film or field and it uses some sort of I-field fuckery to move itself

>>23711392
The Jesta is just a jegan with Nu perfromance and in a SOP configuration. Rezel is a TMS support unit. The Gustav Karl is something(it jobs a lot and i'm not entirely sure what it's suppose to be good at.).
>went back to Great Value Mk-II
AMBAC backpack designs were popular in early UC but that popularity didn't translate onto miniature mobile suits for some reason.

>>23711350
GM II coversion from a RGM-79 seems like it wold be easy with being a generator a new backpack, electronics, rifle, and some other minor changes. The GM III feels like it should actually be expensive and time consuming to basically overhaul a bunch of existing frames to perform at levels they were never intended too.

>>23711509
>AMBAC backpack designs were popular in early UC but that popularity didn't translate onto miniature mobile suits for some reason.
Probably because miniature MS were made to be cheaper to build and maintain, so jointed backpacks went out of fashion in favor of just having a ton of vernier thrusters all over.

That said you still see the technology pop up again so it's not like they forgot it, it just doesn't make it into every machine or get advertised too much since it's old tech at that point. The F91's VSBRs also incorporate thrusters and can utilize AMBAC since they're also mounted on a jointed thing that attaches to a rail on the torso, and I'm pretty sure the Vigna Ghina's backpack consists of a bunch of jointed thruster units as well.

>>23711426
The monocoque frame kind of disappeared. The semi-monocoque, which is mentioned a lot in RX-78-2 explanations, actually isn't TOO dissimilar from the movable frame. It actually is complete and movable by itself, but the frame reliably can't handle combat loads, with the armor being the primary load bearing structure. It leads to heavier, more restrictive designs, probably because it requires more armor to ensure structural soundness. The trade off is that old MS were actually a little bit stronger. You could say it was like an exoskeleton armor. On movable frames the armor is just armor.

>>23711253
>Silver Bullet Suppressor needs to replace its arm every time it fires the beam magnum
>This mk2 just reinforces its gun arm
Maybe Narrative wasn't a thing at the time or the writer didn't know the SBS existed, but really makes you wonder why Banger didn't just keep the SBS and reinforce its arm instead. Then he could've slapped a proper backpack on the suit (like the standard Silver Bullet/Doven Wolf one) and had and all-around better machine than the MK2

>>23712694
Probably rule of "cool". Magnum can only be used properly by an ubersmerch like the unicorn so every other ms that tries to use it has to have some gimmick.

>>23712694
The Silver Bullet not being able to handle the Beam Magnum makes no sense. I get they wanted some gimmick, but it really breaks the believability of the tech. The Beam Magnum's output should only be somewhere around the order of 8-20MW. Some sources say it has 4x the output of a regular beam rifle, other says it's comparable to a mega launcher or mega bazooka launcher (a Mega Launcher-class weapon). The Zeta's hyper mega launcher is around 8MW, and said to be somewhat lower output than the mega bazooka launcher, but can fire repeatedly. That's pretty reasonable and consistent with 4x a lower-end mid-UC beam rifle. If you were to be generous with the 4x number and say it's 4x a stronger beam rifle (~5MW) then you could get it up to around 20MW.

The Silver Bullet has the Doven Wolf's own Mega Launcher mounted on a one arm shield... They're all Mega Launchers!

>>23712793
they never even said it was a problem of electricity supply and throughput, so what else is left, it's just mechanical recoil?

>>23712970
Nothing. It is just fanboying over a designer's pet supergun. That is why the SBS and Mk-II [Magallanica] make no actual sense.

>>23712523
>got the HG for the AEUG Mk II expecting very little from the robot and colours
>actually an extremely endearing kit and design
>would have worked out if I got "the cooler Titans colours" for the HG, then got the old Super Gundam for the AEUG colours since the older Mk II is apparently still passable
>the RGs for the Mk II exist as well
Decisions, decisions... I am SO happy with the AEUG Mk II though, what an endearing design.

>>23713093
The MG 2.0 was the first of the 2.0 design series and still looks pretty good 20 years later. The PG is also nice, though dated.
The MK2 is a blessed suit when it comes to kits.

>>23711253
As much as I prefer this to the SBS, it feels like a bit of a stretch to believe Banagher's piloting skills and Newtype powers can make up for the Mark-II's spec deficiency compared to then-current mobile suits.

>>23713103
Wow, it really does look like it holds up well, maybe not a bad coice for a first MG. PGs are a bit expensive, not really sure what to do at the 1/144 scale though. I'd be left with three Mk IIs of varying degrees of quality and posability.
>already have the AEUG one for HG
>HG Super Gundam is the AEUG colours by default
>which means the RG has to be Titans
>but then it feels like I'm bullying the AEUG versions by having them get outclassed by an RG
Unless I then get the MG, which would make the RG Titans Mk II feel rather frightened and afraid?

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>>23713103
I expect to see a MG MK-II Ver Ka kit released some time this year. The 2.0 is a good kit but changes proportions of the original 1985 line art. Pic related, this japanese modeler changed the 2.0 to look more like the 1985, and made 13k when he sold it on YJ.

On the Zeta Ver Ka kit, Katoki kept things pretty close to the original 1985 Fujita Zeta lineart for the kit, with the addition of usual Katoki detailing. I think he will do the same with the MK-II, making it look different than the 2.0 but still doing justice to the original lineart.

>>23710127
Do any Indonesians /m/echa fans look at the Barzam and go "YUP. That's our guy. :^)" since the Barzam & Barzam custom were produced there?

>>23712970
Isn't the entire point of using e-pacs to not need electricity? Even stranger is the fact that the Delta Plus's arm breaks when using it, but in the Unicorn spinoff manga the Delta Kai is able to use it with nitro system, but it doesn't have psychoframe. I guess you just need newtype magic to use it

>>23713561
Your thinking too hard about it. The beam magnum is just designed with what Fukui thought was cool.

>>23713561
No, e-pacs just reduce the electricity requirements because they hold pre-energized particles instead of waiting for the reactor to produce them and get them into a high energy state

>>23713525
Jaburo is in Brazil and I've never heard of hardcore Brazilian Gundam community

>>23714934
No idea about this Indonesia business but Jaburo had been nuked by the time the Barzam entered production.

>>23714949
We should nuke Brazil IRL

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>>23711029
>her mother

>almost all white UC Gundams have yellow V-fins
I think this is what caused the Mandela effect in which people swear that the RX-78-2 had yellow V-fins.

>>23716449
it's a brand recognition thing, both in and out of universe

>>23716338
kek

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>>23716449
there's some old art that did that. some people also claimed the eyes were different colors too, didn't they?

>>23717590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60lDy1mVLyU
It's funny because there are stuff like this karuta deck that looks like it might predate Z and thus the Mk-II's yellow V-fin. I guess the yellow RX-78 V-fin is just a huge mystery.

>>23711350
>>nah actually it's 1/4th GMII and a GMII is already 90% GM so if you think about it it's really...
Not that crazy to think of but the overall production costs wouldn't be exactly cheaper.
t. Gihren's Greed MS Upgrade function abuser

>>23711437
>What about those other modifications like the OYW Pale Rider being converted into a movable frame MS? Isn't that just rebuilding the entire MS at that point?
Hmm
>take the armor off
>reinstall the avionics from the armor into the frame
>put different/modified armor back on
Not too crazy, generally speaking

>>23716449
>>23717590
>>23717599
The Clover Gundam was actually a decently popular toy and had a lot of presence in magazine ads and catalogues.

>>23711437
>What about those other modifications like the OYW Pale Rider being converted into a movable frame MS? Isn't that just rebuilding the entire MS at that point?
They rebuild an entire Gelgoog in between episodes in Zeta. or as Astonaige puts it, it's mostly a nemo underneath

>>23717590
Gee, do they still make physical media?

>>23719748
sure as fuck do, gouge your wallet so deep it leaves an impression on your asscheek too

Unironically every day I appreciate the Mk II more and more, it just looks so professional and capable.

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Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't tried releasing any of the Zeta Define designs as P-Bandai limited Gunpla; I'd definitely shell out for a Gundam Mk-IIxII, since it's the Mk-II but with more verniers that bulk up its silhouette without being super busy. You could take the HGUC Revive or the RG version of the Mk-II and give it some new shoulders, new legs, and call that good.

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>>23720844
>>23720848
Honestly, the Mk-IIxII, the Zero Shiki, and all of the Zeta Define takes on original Zeta series designs would be neat to see in gunpla form, though I personally don't like the Define version of the Zeta Gundam itself, since it's essentially a modern VF from the Macross series skinwalking as a Gundam. It doesn't even use the shield as a nosecone, it's outright insulting.

>>23716338
Lmao

>>23725726
Is that a THIRD camera on its chest

>>23716338
I love Jerid so much.

>>23726418
t. Mouar Pharaoh

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Anyone here actually like the AEUG MKII? It’s such a unique shade of white and blue. IIRC There’s no other main Gundam that has that kind of white on it. Even the HG kit has it.

>>23726590
Sometimes the secondary color is black, sometimes it's navy blue, and I still don't know which I prefer.

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>>23726590
>the secondary color is black, sometimes it's navy blue
The Mazinger back and forth coloring.

>>23713300
I really hope we do. The 2.0 isn't "bad" per se but definitely has some dated design, and more importantly getting the Titans ver. and/or an accurate G-Defensor for it is a huge pain in the ass. I'd love to have a moden super gundam alongside my Hyaku 2.0 and Zeta VK which are just fantastic kits in their own right, but they feel incomplete without it.

>>23726590
I warmed up to it substantially for some reason, it's a very nice kit.

>>23710446
Love me some glowing eyes.

>>23710080
It pioneered a design concept that remained manstream for decades after. Its data was necessary in creating the Zeta and more. It's a success from a prototyping PoV.

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>>23710760
It's basically Fallout 4/76 power armor frames being frame + armor attached rather than inseparable.

>>23726590
Funnily enough I didn't care for the mkii during z, but I fell in love with it during zz
I really don't fuck with the 3 cores overdesigned clusterfuck that is the zz, so the mkii shone for his beautiful simplicity and elegant color scheme
Absolute workhorse putting up points for 2 consecutive series from first to last episode

>>23726607
I was so sure it was a dark blue, it was actually shocking to me when I picked the AEUG scheme in Breaker 4 and it showed as black.

>>23729928
OH I HAVE ONE OF THESE IRL.

>>23710080
I'm a sucker for relics making it way past their expiration date. That's why I like to think ZZ's Hyaku Shiki is Quattro's and that both it and Kamille's Mk2 both got fixed up and retired to a hangar somewhere after the Neo Zeon War

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>>23720848
Didn't the Mk-IIxII replace the Super Gundam in the Zeta Define manga? What the heck is Katz supposed to pilot and die in, then?

>>23734374
I don't think Define's story has even reached the point in Zeta where the G-Defenser and Methuss are introduced.

>>23730814
Funky.