>>2043375
Skill issue.
Also dont buy poorfag pedals/cleats/shoes.

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>>2043375
I have done around 500km with maybe 150km of them on single/double track with my spd pedals
I havent fallen once cause I couldnt unclip in time, althought I did fall over once because I didnt commit while going in sand, I did unclip but I just fell over sideways in the grass

skill issue

there must be something wrong with me because I fully expected to fall when I switched to clipless but I haven't done so either at the start or since. I've even crashed on pinned flats due to hubris and had to go to the ER for fractures, but I haven't had any issues with clipless. maybe that's a sign I grew too dependent on retention

then again I have more lifetime bike miles than driving miles so maybe cycling is just a more natural feeling for me

on the other hand driving ain't hard either, cageoids seem to think driving with a shift knob is like PhD neurosurgery but it's never been a problem for me when I rent a cage when I go to some place with shitty public transport like Europe and they offer me a chance to rent for only $29+300 eurboux in surcharges a day instead of $35+300 eurobux, I'll jump at the chance to rent for less in exchange for having one hand tied up working the gears instead of jerking myself off for being a superior form of life

t. amerigoblino schizo who took his meds

>>2043376
Shoes failed, and Cube isn't poorfag. My legs are just too strong so I ripped the cleat right out the sole on a skid

>>2043377
500, cute!

>>2043383
well its probably much more now that I think about it, but my point is I didnt fall once while getting used to them, which is apparently the thing that everyone does

Yeah but it only happens like two or three times and then you are fine
>>2043377
Cooming rn

>>2043375
This literally becomes a reflex right away. The only issue I can imagine someone having is if you run the slotted cleats with straps on one of your older bikes but clipless systems otherwise. For me tho: Even that's never been an issue, somehow you instinctively know which of your bikes has which systems, even when your reflexes get in the pilot seat.

so what's better for riding in normal shoes? cages or straps?

I was looking into getting clipless pedals/shoes for my casual commuter bike, thinking that being clipped in would add a lot more power to my pedalling, but then I looked into it some more and found out that like 97% of power is generated on the downstroke and people mainly wear clipless so their feet don't slip off the pedals?

>>2043382
You know what cleats are for right?
Not locking up a wheel in a instant and generating tons of torque.

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>>2043407
I don't know about those actual numbers but it's true that the downstroke is the most powerful phase of the cycle. Just look at the leg muscles and ask yourself why your shins or your hip extensors should be even remotely as strong as your glutes and quads.

Just because some muscles are stronger than others doesn't negate the value of clipless.

>>2043408
So what you're saying is I should switch to SPD-SL

>>2043407
With flat pedals, you automatically push down with both legs a bit, to keep your feet on the pedals. So you don't pull up with cleats, but there's still a performance benefit cause you can take all the weight off the pedal that's going up.
Also, you can put all your strength into the pedal only if you aren't afraid to slip.
Properly adjusted clipless pedals keep your foot always in the perfect position for power transfer, and the stiff sole increases efficiency and reduces loss through flexing.
Finally, you can pull up for a little extra torque when necessary, to force yourself up the steepest hill, or win a sprint.

>>2043375

If you want to make ABSOLUTELY sure that your feet hurt, buy shoes from the bicycle industry

And the best place to have a deadly accident is an intersection. So be sure to clip or strap your feet to the pedals so that you can't easily put your foot down when car driver does something retarded. That way you can fall over in the middle of an intersection where the garbage truck driver can't see you and runs you over

The human legs are biological system not an engine. They are designed for a work-rest cycle. So the fact is that even olympic level cyclists do not pull up constantly

>>2043442
I'm honestly somewhat impressed at the amount of garbage and nonsense you packed into this post, usually this kind of dedication is seen pushing rightoid opinions on social issues. are you the same genius who thinks he's going to add a carbon drive rohloff to a walmart fixie?

>>2043375
I tried clipless pedals. It was not for me.

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>>2043499
maybe you watched something similar on YouTube

>>2043442
Your post is absolutely retarded. Clipless solved the problemy you're citing.
Pulling up is a stupid myth too. No one does that shit and if people fall for the myth and try to focus on doing so the only changes they are making is that they now always have to ride consciously and also might hurt their joints because guess what: Ever since humans left trees their legs only ever faced compression forces as selective pressure. Pretty sure evolution since made enough changes for those joints to now be compression only.
Clips and clipess have nothing (or very little, save for situations when starting in innappropiately large gears or climbinv very steep) to do with pulling up. But without you can hardly even sprint. I would rather argue going with neither clips, clipless or fixielarp-straps, is the actually dangerous idea ever since clipless solved the slotted cleat:
Say its raining out, maybe some ice slush and those kinds of conditions. Pedals become slippery, cold makes the soles of shoes a bit harder, ice and grime gets in between shoe and pedal, you sprint for a bit, dang now your foot slips off the pedal, slams into the ground at 50, pedal bites you in the calf but that doesnt matter since a split second later youre a complete trainwreck anyways.

>>2043499
many such cases

>>2043499
That's not their iphones, that's their bike computers warning them they're below their set minimum speed.

>>2043407
its only worth if you are trying to race or training for some event.
watch some vids on riders doing the same course with both pedals. Its usually less than a 5% gain. Not worth for commuting around people/cars

>>2043499
>All their iPhone alarms start beeping
I literally saw this happen once, shits too funny. Who needs all this tech?

I used to clipless then I got into an accident and now I only leave it on my trainer but honestly flats with pins feels almost just as sticky. Even annoyingly so because you'll get into a bad foot position and it's a lot harder to adjust because your damn foot keeps getting stuck in the pins.

Redpill me on pins, how are they different from oldschool metal teeth pedals?

>>2044197
They're much better, but hurt your shins that much more.
If you're off reading they're what you want..if you're around town it's overkill and can eat up some shoes.

>>2044247
Got it thanks, I guess I just stick with my textured flat pedals

>>2044197
pins can get bent and stuck in the pedal. or the nut can rust in place and be hard to remove since its captive to the pedal.
so I run the pins shallow to stop the tips bending, to stop the nut from rusting in place a tiny bit of blue loctite helps, otherwise oiling or greasing the threads works.
>>2044268
especially alloy pedal bumps wear smooth, even more quirky than nylon. really worn down pedals can be comfie for riding in bare feet
>>2044252
flat pedals with rubber or grip tape covering seem ok for casual applications

>>2044247
I never understood the "hurt your shins" thing. are you also cutting your legs up with the chainring all the time?

>>2043442
Horrible take

>>2043499
>>2044268
what did I miss

>>2043375
Bad feet. See a doctor.

>>2043442
Reasonable take backed by science. Clips are at best a misguided myth perpetrated by the French bicycle industry. They are not only unnecessary, they restrict movement unnaturally and create equally unnatural pressure points.

>>2043375
You should get a clip to clip your foot nails.
Not a clipless pedal.

>>2043375
Keep the clipless for velodromes. Wear regular shoes on the road.
>Muh 5%!
Roads aren't for competitive sports or training. Think otherwise? Grab your bike and join me in the Grand Prix.

>>2043442
No one 'pulls up' except for when starting hard from a dead stop or crawl, first two kicks of a sprint. And probably no one besides maybe GCN claims it were so.
But what you're building here is a strawman. As if anyone who runs clipless or clips exains that they did so so they could 'pull up'. Laughable.
t. clipless enjoyer

>>2050916
Found the sissy who never rides in the rain

>>2050918
There used to be a really awful trip who pushed the "pull up" meme for a while

>>2050921
Yeah but the funny thkng about that is: Its wrong two times.
The pulling up meme is wrong to the point where I infere someone never raced.
But also clipless pedals have nothing to do with pulling up. Heck I'd probably be fine 99% if my clipless pedals had that degree of freedom.

>>2043407
If by that you mean riding in city traffic dodging cagies and e-bike boomers, keep your normal pedals.

>>2043404
Niether. Just get flat riding shoes with a shank.

>>2043407
being clipped in adds no power unless you're a track sprinter. That's not what they're for.

>>2043414
>the stiff sole increases efficiency and reduces loss through flexing
That's not a thing that matters to anyone but the top level. Having a stiff sole is just a comfort thing for 99% of people.

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>>2052692
If you're harming yourself with your fad diet, then you have bigger problems that a theoretical improvement in pedaling efficiency. Also, it matters no more in climbing than any other form of cycling. It's basically just a comfort thing to allow people to push down on their whole foot instead of dealing with pressure spots from pedals. The shank in a lineman's boots doesn't enhance his "climbing efficiency", it just makes it comfortable to climb. Same with stiff shoes.

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>>2052797
That's comfort, not mechanical efficiency in power transfer. It helps you not overwork stabilizers and keeps your form better longer. That's not a direct mechanical efficiency boost, it's just an effect of staying comfortable. Literally the same thing as lineman shanks or not having an uncomfortable saddle. Also, I rode ~42 mi today.
>>2052795
Keto is just the atkins diet. It was a fad back then, and it's still a fad now with the new branding. I'm sorry you bought into the con, but that's your own fault.

please stop fighting ur scaring me

>>2052829
*squeezes ur buttcheek*
its okay I forgive u

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>>2052818
How many thousands of hours of incel masosphere content do I need to rot my brain with to start coming up with terms like "trad families"? Do they live in EVROPA too?

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>>2043375
That's nothing, I grew up with these. Thousand times worse.

>>2043378
>Tied up
What kind of shitbox/roads could possibly keep your hand tied up?

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>>2054527
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IUuBxejgoxs

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>>2043382
>Cube isn't poorfag

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>>2052818

>>2052838
>*takes 30 seconds to get your toes in in your path*
>*destroys your shoes in your path*
>*takes 5 seconds to take your toes out in your path*
Who cares if they're dangerous, inconvenient, ineffective, and obsolete. The important thing is you're showing everyone you're not one of those tryhard "cyclists" who uses anything invented in the last 50 years

>>2052818
>farmers and rural people don't and didn't use to eat bread
Very nice larp, my tradpilled farmhandmaxxing friend.

>>2054557
>>2054527
this is NOT a race

>>2052818
>literal animal feed.
wheat, corn, and rice are literally the foundation of the premodern economy

>>2043375
>without getting drunk first
lil bro thinks i'm not biking sloshed out of my gourd

>>2043377
WTC this fit?

i never understood why you need to be physically tied to your pedals. just get better shoes nigga

>>2061429
post bike

>>2059244
What is not a race? Vidrel is group n, so stock direction and gears

I been watching those NY bike check videos and everyone seems to have cleats now