>>2044302
>Highways in a commercial district where nobody lives anyways? I'm going INSAAAAANE!

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>>2044303
get in

>>2044303
This >>2044302 really is grim. Then again cities and town are grim. I avoid them and only venture there when I must, like doctor or shop.

>>2044302
Where's that?

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Mass. Turnpike slicing through the Fenway/Kenmore area in Boston. Just brutal. Hope they figure out how to build on top of it some day.

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>>2044414
The same thing creating a giant wall between the South End and Chinatown and Back Bay areas.

>>2044414
>>2044416
>creating a giant wall
The railroad tracks in both pics already did that

>>2044418
I guess that's true. Still, there'd be less empty space necessary if the roads could be built upon or just weren't there, no?

>>2044414
what do you mean "figure" ?
2 lanes is only 20 feet, you could easily build on top of pillars spaced 20 feet apart

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>>2044304
>What's THIS??
>Oh my science is that a-a-a-a-a-a-FREEWAY????
>And it's "gasp"! Surrounding an AIRPORT? AKA A place that has zero property value for homes anyways do to noise pollution????
>ACK! HOLD ME TYRONE I'M GOING INSANE WE NEED TO ABOLISH CARS!

>>2044459
Tell me why I need to go around 6 loop-the-loops and 47 spirals to go to 1 place

>>2044460
To slow the flow of traffic down, that's literally the point. Are you just illiterate about public infrastructure in general?

>>2044461
gotta go fast man

>>2044463
Yes, when you're on the freeway, not when you're getting off of it though

>>2044463
stupid retard

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>>2044449
It's just a highway interchange conveniently with the train lines off to the right cropped out and there was literally nothing there to replace (no street grid, not much of anything). At this point there's nothing to really talk about beyond wheeling out the "but think of the apartments we could've crammed here" argument.

>>2044413
Look up
Dyer Ave & W 40th St, NYC

I'm not familiar with the area, but those buildings in the lower right, the stepped setbacks are very characteristic.

>>2044414
>>2044416
just do it bro

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger_Deckel
sorry there is no english version for this article

>>2044303
50k people live in the neighbourhood it's located in (smaller than one sq mi) that's definitely more than your flyover county

>>2046319
>neighbourhood
Foreigner lol

>>2046324
I'm a native where I live

>>2044302
>gore
I love twisty, winding urban highways like this.
Especially driving on them at night when almost nobody else is around.

>>2046991
notice the bike lanes and bus stop with solar cells on the roof. Even China is ahead of the US now.

>>2046991
When you build a Cities Skylines interchange irl

All roads are gore. Where is everyone going? Why do they need to go so far away from where they were? Personally I've seen people go on 20+ mile journeys just to get fast food even though they already had food at home. Sometimes they'll drive 30 minutes just to look at some junk at Walmart. They'll get a job in an office that could be done remote, but their boss makes them drive an hour every day.

>>2046997
>left hand drive
>China
Anon, it's even worse than you think.
This is India.

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>>2044302
A fucking western city did this abomination.
Even more shamefully, I've gotten used to it.

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>>2047336
>I have no idea how the road network works and will make up ridiculous hypotheticals to justify my view
>Despite that fact, I'm sure that MY transportation views have merit and will work

>>2044414
These plots >>2044416 along the MassPike are already develop-able, and have been since before the Big Dig started. If I remember right, there are something like 25 parcels starting from where Commonwealth Ave passes over the Pike, going all the way to where Harrison goes over before the Fort Point tunnel. The Hynes Convention Center, a portion of the Prudential Center (but not the tower), and the new Car Gurus headquarters all used some of those parcels.

The problem is that despite the air rights being available and fairly cheap, the construction and engineering costs are way higher, and it has only been recently that the cost of land elsewhere in the region has made these parcels viable. As I understand it now, there are at least two additional projects filling in sections near Fenway/BU. However, it will probably be decades before the whole thing is filled in - it'd likely take a concerted effort from the city with tens of billions in funding to get it done in my lifetime.

>>2047594
okay

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Meanwhile in Europe.

>>2047792
I can't tell if this is supposed to be good or not anymore.
>mess of medieval buildings with no street names, just whatever they could fit in there
>hasn't changed too much since medieval times save for some new roofs
>only a single warning light for a pedestrian crossing

>>2048001
>I can't tell if this is supposed to be good or not anymore.
It's neither, these threads are always full of retards who post aerial images of random cities without context other than "infrastructure bad" without further elaboration because "Urbanism" isn't a real discipline and is largely just pseudoscience that literally nobody outside of a handful of online echo chambers take seriously. Retards genuinely think they're being profound when they strawman highway layouts and suggest they could be used for apartment blocks instead. It's fucking maddening watching these retards talk to eachother and base their beliefs on public infrastructure purely on personal feelings instead of how each part fits into the bigger whole.

>>2047996
lmagine how fast traffic would flow there if they built just one more lane.

>>2048046
This might surprise you anon, but most highways, including the one in that image, will feature a right lane to facilitate merging and getting off, as freeways typically have multiple exits, and thus most people in that image are in fact not going to be driving the full length of that freeway. They also feature a central passing lane, and a fast lane. They are not going to add an extra lane as a stop-gap solution for traffic. This is something that does not happen in reality and only in the strawman inside of your head that you created to invent things to get upset over.

>>2048048
Are you seriously claiming that Highway widening projects don't exist?

>>2048049
Most highways simply cannot be widened, because pesky infrastructure and geography tend to get in the way of that. Highway widening projects may exist along desert and plains routes where nobody lives anyways but not in that webm

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We have the H3 on Oahu. Perhaps the most expensive highway ever, over a billion dollars. Exempted from all environmental concerns because it was part of the Defense budget. Nobody actually travels to where it goes, the only reason to use it is because a road that would be more direct will have perhaps the worst traffic in the country.

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>>2048209
That unironically looks really cool though, almost reminds me of Frutiger Aero but in real life

>>2048046
It would unironically improve. No, "just one more lane" wouldn't fix things for good since population has grown >20x since the highways were built, but it definitely helps.

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>>2044303
>a commercial district

>>2048209
>H3 runs from Pearl Harbor to Marine Corps Base Hawaii
>H2 runs from Pearl Harbor to the Army's Schofield Barracks
>H1 runs from Pearl Harbor to the oil and gas harbor and refinery
Is there anything happening on that island aside from the military and the Dole fruit plantation?

>>2048382
>Is there anything happening on that island aside from the military and the Dole fruit plantation?
Tourism

>>2044460
That's the Manhattan bus depot. Your precious mass transit is the one using most of those loop de loops, the rest are separate tubes of the Lincoln Tunnel to NJ, with the middle one switching travel direction midday.

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Pic related is 99 percent of "urbanism" in a nutshell

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L'échangeur Turcot

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>>2047792

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Here's something subtle.
US 71 in Kansas City is built to freeway-grade and is a natural extension of I-49.
However, as it passes through a random neighborhood, it reverts down to city streets for about 2 miles.
It has just TWO level intersections, and they are the most dangerous in the whole region.
This is the result of a "freeway revolt" back in the day, and this was the compromise that was supposed to avoid splitting up the neighborhood. Now we have the worst of both worlds.

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Cinncenati core

>>2048382
Nope.
There's a lot of Hawaiians moving to the west coast because not only is it expensive to live on Hawaii, but the average wage is also terrible.

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>>2048625

>>2048050
They widened the 405 in LA a while back. That was a big project and did actually have a noticeable impact. It's mostly remembered now for the fact that they had to close it entirely for a few days to replace a bridge, which led to people predicting a never-before-seen traffic nightmare that became known as "carmageddon," and then when it actually happened people were so scared of the traffic that nobody left the house and those days ended up having way lighter than normal traffic.

>>2048880
The Sepulvida Pass Improvement Project focused specifically on a 10 mile stretch of overpass anon. In that particular instance they could widen the freeway because it was over an existing bridge.

>>2048882
And?

Would you rather work in transportation or manufacturing?

>>2046324
Why what word would you use?

>>2049004
I'm soure you'll figoure it out, ounce you've thought about it thouroughly.

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Oof

>>2049193
the street looks like dogshit in both pictures but it's harder to tell on the top one because the photo quality is worse, and nobody is using that road in any case. This is just another shallow appeal to emotion fallacy by urbanistfags,

>>2049193
And there it is.

>>2049193
Man that is a fuckton of leveled buildings
Houses, stores, offices, all in classical architecture with good building materials.

>>2049228
Man! That is so true, Chang.

>>2048001
>>only a single warning light for a pedestrian crossing
In most of europe, we can walk on the streets. We only need crossings in traffic busy areas.

>>2049230
damn, you don't have cars in Europe? times are tough.

This thread makes me want to play Transport Fever 2 again.

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Damn that is a lot of buildings removed.

>>2049506
At least use the same area if you're going to do before/after comparisons. The Ohio River (telling you that since you're foreign) on the bottom right of the 2021 photo isn't there in the old photo.

>>2049506
Wow, they built a river and everything!

>>2049506
>Oil addicted boomer vroomers caused the housing crisis by replacing housing with highways and parking lots and megamarts

>>2049506
paris of the americas

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>>2045531

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>>2049625
>It's going take PennDOT years and years and hundreds of millions of dollars to fix this.

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I'm surprised nobody has posted Cairo yet

>>2049638
99 percent of urbanists are sheltered westoids that don't even realize other countries outside the western world exist

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>>2049639
Not true. Urbanists are also obsessed with East Asia.

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>>2049640
Which I find especially amusing because public infrastructure in places like China are heavily modeled after the United States

>>2049642
Even Japan and Korea are incredibly car friendly outside the metropolises. I'm convinced the dream city urbanists dream of can't actually be built.

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>>2049644
>I'm convinced the dream city urbanists dream of can't actually be built.
I've been to London a couple of times in the last few years, and it's feels to be like London is pretty close.
It's subjective though, of course.

>>2049639
That's because only the Western world matters

Seethe all you want about it (and you will), but everybody else is just scrounging at the scraps from our table

>>2049561
boat roads matter too!

>>2049718
>Just one more canal and the river traffic will be manageable
When will the floating cagers admit we need a river train?

>>2049644
>b-b-b-but Amsterdam
e-urbanists won't ever concede that the Netherlands are the perfect storm and can't be replicated anywhere else.
>completely flat
>pretty densely populated but not so dense that you have enormous urban sprawl with high habitation towers
>rich and growing richer at the time of the transit overhaul
As nice as it would be to have multi-modal cities everywhere, you're JUST going to have places with too much snowfall or wind or heavy rain for year-round cycling ; or that are too steep for trams ; or can't build subways because of the soil and gradiant...
Not to mention, all of that causes instant gentrification once work is complete which is great because if there's one thing we need it's to make housing more expensive.

>>2049625
fuckin' love breezewood
i used to stop for dinner there all the time
even spent the night there once
just to the east you can go visit the abandoned PA turnpike tunnels too

>>2049506
Why not just build a greenfield new city at this point?

>>2049731
That's been done too. Places like Buckhead, Georgia. It's often derided as "white flight".

>>2049731
That wouldn’t serve anyone’s uses for the space. What people really need is housing there.

>>2049736
Buckhead Georgia is full of highrise skyscrapers and hotels you mongoloid

>>2049563
That’s pretty accurate. Thank God modern Americans are realizing how stupid parking minimums are and rapidly ending them.

>>2049766
>Buckhead Georgia is full of highrise skyscrapers and hotels you mongoloid
You need to read the entire conversation instead of going into an autistic rage from a single reply.

>>2049768
How's the weather in Shenzhen?

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Brutal.

>>2049773
Wow. Brutal no matter how many times you post it, Chang.

>>2049773
I don't get the point of the comparison.
You can still find crowded city streets like that all over the place.

>>2049773
I like the coloring job they did on the old pic...I wonder if I can scrounge up other restored photos of vintage Kansas City

>>2049908
>Transportation?

>>2049773
>reeee why don't cities look the same 150 years later

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>>2049638
Naypyidaw is fascinating too

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>>2050288
2x8 road with an uncontrolled intersection and pedestrian crossing

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>>2050289
Roundabout with 5+1 lanes

>>2049727
>>2049644
Japan is actually an interesting mix, I found Tokyo fascinating how it has lots of xboxhueg roadways, but still manages to have cozy neighborhoods in between. Maybe not perfect, but definitely better than average mutt city planning.

Switzerland is very good to, although cities were never bike-friendly and trying to make them so is making everything much worse than it used to be. I still think Transit as max priority followed by pedestrians followed by car traffic is the ideal hierarchy. Fuck bikes they can go ride in the countryside, no one needs them in the city unless they ride in mixed traffic then I don't care.

>>2050288
>>2050289
>>2050290
GENIUS design actually because it perfectly accounts for the fact that nobody ever drives there since Naypiyadaw is a ghost town.

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>>2044302
>6 + 2 lane arterial road running cars into city centre
>build during car-boom era, reminiscent of urban highways
>city is slowly limiting car access in city centre
>city is also in slow process of removing highways that feed into the centre
>there are two highways feeding to this arterial
>one of these (HW2) is already severed in capacity as it turns to street-level road that runs through new housing developments
>(some) politicians push for plans to connect HW2 and the arterial with a tunnel
>this would go against the long-term goals
>traffic """models""" are fiddled with to show catastrophic congestion without the tunnel
>no one is willing to discuss congestion pricing though because "we don't have congestion"
>impact assesment report gets missunderstood and some politicians start to push the narrative that the tunnel is absolutely necessary for certain PT projects
>or that by promoting the tunnel you promote PT
>turns out its not necessary, you can just build dedicated ROW and the car congestion wont matter
>others are against the tunnel not only because of the price tag, but also as the long tunnel ramps limit pedestrian accessibility and go agains the "less cars in the city" goal
>no final decision on the tunnel (180 million €) yet, but when the street is resurfaced the northern tunnel entrance is dug out "just in case" and then buried in sand
>50 million € buried in sand

>arterial is thus bottlenecked on both ends, more severly in downtown end

>new plans to erect housing on the both sides of the said arterial
>new street plans are drawn
>road alignment is slighty changed
>all lanes are still there
>plans miss pedestrian access because of ((traffic flow))
>doesn't improve existing residents' access to waterfront

long webs of traffic engineering, where land value is 0 and only the flow matters, reach their tangles to all city planning affairs

>>2050290
Cyclists wanting to go straight can get fucked I guess.

>>2050289
it's just for military parades, right?

>>2050347
no, it's for landing military planes on

>>2044414
They’re currently working on a pretty big air rights project right in the Fenway-Kenmore area. It’s been slow going but should be a solid improvement when it’s done, iirc it’s planned to be a tower with apartments and lab space with walking paths and a small park surrounding it. As far as I know they’re still working on putting up all the support pillars (slow going because they’re avoiding shutting down the pike) but it’s progressing.

>>2050337
>traffic """models""" are fiddled with to show catastrophic congestion without the tunnel
Well yeah, when you remove a major, well-trafficked road with no other major changes you get more congestion elsewhere. The FSK bridge collapse showed what would happen if you removed highway capacity on a major well-trafficked route with no other changes, and other roads got more congested elsewhere.

>>2049193
did Cincinnati get nuked?

>>2050671
>City is on a river
>Shoreline is for docks and manufacturing
>Undesirable, polluted area often surrounded by slums
>Manufacturing/river trade declines; area becomes blighted
>"Where should we put the new freeways?"
>"Tear down all that abandoned shit by the river"

>>2044303
>>2044459
excuse me but who are you quoting?

>>2049004
da hood senpai

>>2050671
no it got nigged.

>>2049529
>rivers..... move?

>>2050719
Look on a map lazyass

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>>2050670
There never was a HW2 straight to the city, the on street capacity now is approximately the same it was 15 years ago. One paraller road was made public transport only, which pushed cars to this section and made them use eastern HW2 -> road-in-question connection that was very underused before (as it was surrounded by greenfields and lead to industrial area, now its surrounded by housing development). The on-street traffic volumes today are larger than they were in models "with the tunnel implemented" made about 15 years ago AND the traffic is fine.

There are two problems with the models and how they were used. Firstly, models showed there would be on average 10 km/h traffic on about 400 yard portion (black), meaning that travel times would increase by 3-4 minutes during peak congestion. In public debate and political decision making (by the experts!) this was framed as gridlock, when in fact everyone would get to their destinations just 4 minutes later. Congestion pricing model and its impact on traffic, as an alternative for the tunnel, was never researched. Other options, like limiting certain left-turns or bridges that skip the problematic northern intersection were also never researched.

Another problem was was that forementioned "gridlock" was bundled with the unfounded claim that the congestion (because of the lack of tunnel) would make public transport corridor (light rail) impossible to implement, wish just wasn't true. This went even a bit further, with claims that free traffic flow is key to all development around this very urban area. All other projects could of course be developed without the tunnel, at the (rather minimal) cost of traffic clow. City has strategic priority list (1. pedestrian, 2. cycling, 3. public transport, 4. freight, 5. private car) but for whatever reason here it is once again ignored.

captcha: GRONG

>>2046997
yeah that totally makes it soooo much better.

>>2050799
>In public debate and political decision making (by the experts!) this was framed as gridlock, when in fact everyone would get to their destinations just 4 minutes later.
Increasing times by 4 minutes is a significant increase, it means your commute (accounting for both directions, assuming 30 minutes each way) has just gotten 13% longer just in a small section alone.
>Congestion pricing model and its impact on traffic, as an alternative for the tunnel
Congestion pricing is just another fancy name for a new tax, and congestion pricing advocates NEVER advocate for putting that money back into the highway system.
>where land value is 0
I've never gotten the hang-up about land value because it only works insomuch that you have something better and more profitable to develop off of. In real life, parking lots in downtown areas still exist because the land value is high enough that you would need something that makes a lot of money to make a return on investment, and sometimes they do get redeveloped into large buildings and/or luxury apartment complexes. In abstract models promoted in urbanist circles, the downtown areas are best suited by ultra-dense buildings, which means by the same token the downtown Helsinki area should be replaced by skyscrapers.

>>2050799
>Congestion pricing model
Oh boy, let's charge people money for commuting to work! That will reduce traffic because... uhh...

>>2050847
because people will work from home whenever possible for more spending money, people will switch to public transportation or bicycles if possible, people will take this as the final nudge to switch to a job that doesn't need commuting through the congestion zone, people will start thinking about carpooling.
All of which reduces traffic through the congestion zone.

>>2050905
>Wtf I love regressive taxation now

>>2050905
>people will take this as the final nudge to switch to a job
somewhere that doesn't have commie-ass regressive taxes, thereby depriving your city of the economic benefits of that citizen? Good job, faggot.

>>2050337
Nice to see that Europe sometimes has the same issues we do, with regards to idiotic city governments.

>>2050905
>people will switch to public transportation or bicycles if possible
amazing takes on the very opposite of reality as always here on /n/

>>2048046
"A few more lanes" is a retarded boomer take.
Unless you widen the road from start to finish, including the connecting inner city roads, all this does is create new bottlenecks or at best move the current ones further.

>>2051352
>mOrE lAnEs HaS nEvEr AcTuAlLy BeEn TrIeD

>>2051353
It has been tried, many times, and every time it has not achieved its desired results.

Might aswell chime in. In my immediate vincinity everything is fine and great but it's bc I live in the sticks.
If I ever have to go to the next town I am always reminded of human stupidity not knowing bounds. A few examples:
They have a central station. In front of the station the city chose to mark the road in a different color. Like a pedestrian crossing but solid white and without the traffic signs. The law says the sign is what makes a pedestrian crossing. This arrangement incites some pedestrians to just step in the road and also some cagers to brake. It leads to all the situations you'd expect: Cagers assuming it's a crossing and thus stopping while pedestrians who understand it is not stop too aswell as pedestrians stepping in the road promting cagers to e-brake.
Next one: They have a roundabout where one exit has a seperate exit for the bicycle lane. The cager exit is single lane. But: Immediately following the exit another lane, priority bus lane is introduced. The bicycle lane merges into the bus lane. The bus takes the cager exit and then moves over into the bus line. So the bus has trouble moving over since there is bicycle traffic on the right. (Did I mention bicycle lanes suck/and are a cager conspiracy?) Next there is a light. The bus only lane ends at the light. So the bus only lane is 100m perhaps. Wow. 50m after the light there is an intersection where it's popular for the cagers to turn right. You know what happens:
You're waiting at the line on your bicycle, looking to go straight, and on, our left theres a cager wanting to turn right. The light changes, the cager compulsory tries to merge infront of you because cagebrain. Hence the cager floors it. As a result the cager following them does so too because cagebrain. The cager then either just runs you over intentionally when running out of space, or slams the brakes to finally wait for there to be space to move over and then turn. They will then either almost get rear ended or the (...)

>>2051355
(...) or the cager in behind will evade to the right and either get hit when cager in front turns or hit the cyclist. Because cagebrain.
All for 100m bus priority line.
Seen that almost happen every day when I studied in town and seen those crashes actually manifest several times.
I dislike towns and cagery so much it's unreal.

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>here's your not crosswalk bro.
>we specifically made it to motivate NPCs to step in the road and cagers stop for no reason

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wtf Alaska?

>>2049193
>>2049773
>cars destroyed our cities
It definitely wasn't cars that destroyed these cities

>>2049644
being more car friendly than tokyo is nowhere near how bad the US is, only really small towns in japan have no transit and even then people overall drive smaller vehicles and have safer roads so it's a lot easier to safely walk in a suburban area.

>>2051393
car and the automobile lobby did

>>2051399
I don't live there and don't give a shit

>>2051401
You've got 1 more guess remaining

>>2051403
motorists.

>>2051354
The problem is that is that population has increased manyfold since highways were built and every new lane is a bandage on an ever-growing problem. It helps, but the problem doesn't go away, especially in cities in that don't grow. Retards take this to mean that it is entirely useless and that we shouldn't expand highways at all (the growth will still happen) or that the highway system is overbuilt as is (it isn't).

>>2044416
Update: like that other anon said this is actually developable and they're working on it.
https://www.boston.gov/departments/transportation/reconnecting-chinatown

It looks like at least one parcel is gonna be a park, and the others might see some buildings?

>>2050288
>>2050329
>Naypiyadaw
Basically a sham city created so the military junta can hide from insurrectionists, which is exactly what happened a couple of years ago. Sort of like Brasilia but people actually live there.

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>>2051747
>>2044416
huh, it also looks like some development over the fenway area has been going on for some time. i probably should've researched a little before posting.

>>2052153
not that bad

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Jacksonville

>>2044449
Needs more lanes

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Look at this beauty, a highway that goes under roads that go under roads that go under rail. I almost creamed my pants when I saw this on google maps the other day, I am going to go look at its glory IRL when I visit Chicago this month.

Sometimes, I prefer the wide roadways over the useless "public space" that's just vacant lawn or paving or something, which have no real use apart from (by implication) people sitting there or something.

>>2054108
what, you dont want to pay for Jose to clip the grass at the designated homeless campsite rather than have a wider road to drive on? you don't even know about third spaces where ill finally make friends by walking around.

>>2054108
Unless it's specifically designated as a park or somesuch, most of these "public spaces" are just mothballed for future development. In Waco they tore down some commercial development the university owned (a few restaurants, a hybrid strip mall/apartment complex, and a motel) for "public space" then developed a huge new building on it a decade or so later.

>>2044460
Redundancy.

>>2044449
>just one more lane bro, i promise it will solve the jams.

>>2055388
fresh

>>2047996
where is this? LA?

>>2053120
What's wrong with it?

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Orlando, right in the middle of the city

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>>2055691
Looks awesome. This is only a rendering but it looks like the lights are all blue, not different colors. Wish I could see it at night.

>>2047996
why are they seperated by red and white headlights ?

>>2047792
>>2048570
SOVL

>>2056778
Please be bait

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>>2044416
don't forget they fucked transit in the area or years and years by demolishing the old orange line elevated (the supports are still on the middle bridge in your pic) and (after 15 years) replacing it with a shitty "BRT" service.

>>2048472
Is this the old or new one? They both look bad.

>>2055691
>>2055694
Layering is kino.

>>2044416
I've walked over this part of the highway like 1000 times and its never really struck me as much of a deterrent to crossing between back bay and the south end. Fenway sucks with how few crossings there are though.

>>2057351
Shut the fuck up you fucking nigger ass sucker turd faggot

>>2045599
that shit is extremely wasteful

>>2049727
>e-urbanists won't ever concede that the Netherlands are the perfect storm and can't be replicated anywhere else.
The netherlands isn't a "perfect storm" beyond not having been subverted by car/oil lobbying and retarded boomers so hard
They FOUGHT for those changes in the netherlands
America and the Netherlands in the 50s/70s looked very similar
They burned down these subhumans cars on occasion
They blocked roads
They didn't ask for action from the ruling politicians, they demanded it

>>2050327
Riding in mixed traffic is deadly just as lacking separating for pedestrians from the road is deadly
What's up with your selective psychopathy you fucking retard?
Cities can and are designed to have biking as part of their transportation mix and they are better for it, especially in medium density urban areas.

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https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/I-5718-2025-10-17.aspx

>>2058338
How?

>>2058346
Based

>>2058347
>How?
I'm kind of memeing
Highway interchanges have a part to play in a normal transportation mix where cars have *a* (bot not *the*) role to play
My gripe is mainly based on the fact that they are merging highway lanes with a huge number of lanes and that huge number of lanes is likely there in the first place because there isn't any adequate intercity transportation with either bus or - better yet - trains
This leads to having to build structures like in your pic and they will have to be maintained and this leads to a lock-in effect due to perennially "lacking funding" for better systems that achieve a superior working balance between modes of transport and logistics which leads to being unable to imagine anything better for most people talking about the subject
It's somewhat whimsical in its absurdity though

>>2058348
It's a conventional interchange of two Interstates, but they had to fit in an odd shape of land and thread everything through an existing viaduct. There are a handful of ramps to/from surface streets jammed in. But the main reason it looks so crazy was getting it to fit in that plot of land.

Despite all the highways, Dallas has a pretty impressive public transit system: buses, 2 trolley lines, almost 100 miles of light rail, plus commuter rail. They just opened a new rail line a couple of weeks ago. Even though the freeway system there might seem over the top, a lot of it is financed by tolls.

>>2058351
Good for Dallas, I'm happy for you guys to hear that.
Of course there is always room for improvement.
Still, even if it's financed by tolls (are you sure there aren't other funding sources being drawn from?) that doesn't change that car traffic too could be much nicer if regular commuters could just use trains and having rail tracks is also better for heavy cargo and reduces the wear and tear on roads but that would require rail to be integrated properly from the start
Trying to transport cargo by rail here in Germany is completely absurd for anyone that isn't some large chems corp or other such facility and thus you have heavy trucks splitting roads everywhere at over-proportional rates.

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perfectly good four-way intersection replaced with strange circle thing

>>2058355
>all those burgers just going down the wrong gullet
leeel

>>2058354
>Trying to transport cargo by rail here in Germany is completely absurd for anyone that isn't some large chems corp or other such facility and thus you have heavy trucks splitting roads everywhere at over-proportional rates.
It's not much different here, and with very few exceptions public transit agencies don't move freight, that's up to the actual railroads. I'm not sure how it works in Germany, are passenger and freight handled under the same transportation company? In the US, increasing public transit funding and building out a big passenger rail system won't affect truck volumes.

>>2058355
That looks like a brand new roundabout without signage/striping put in yet but still, how stupid can you be

>>2058364
>In the US, increasing public transit funding and building out a big passenger rail system won't affect truck volumes.
Neither would it here because access and regulation for rail makes it financially and organizationally impossible for private companies to transport shit via rail
And building rail hubs or even a fucking 300m bit of railway is infinitely harder legally than a bit of paved road for trucks which it fucking shouldn't be but it do be
Increasing hydrocarbon scarcity will have to do what myopic boomer retards refused to

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>>2050288
It's fixed

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>>2058396
Surreal how russians are still stuck in the "let's pump the city full of ten-lane highways that'll surely solve traffic" mindset.

Then again traffic obviously wasn't going to be solved by that half-assed "central diameters" scheme.

>>2060382
very obvious shill bump from page 10

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>>2044303
>loves paying for jerk off to nowhere interchanges for density where no one lives.

Peak sucker.

The elevated highways put in the swamps of baltimore, so parasites can daily raid are anti-human enough. But this landsaver off the least populated corner of the Baltimore beltway always evokes some cyclopedian temple to an elder god, reminding how it probably cost a trillion dollars.

But any mention of road gore, always brings up "the mixing bowl"......the most idiotically paradoxical descriptor of hoover dam level pork barrel imaginable of the D.C. beltway.

Also "beltways". Fuck "beltways".

>>2051437
What's retarded about seeing your pave the world faggotry as what it is? Provide a logical end point, or even a starting point.

>>2060925
>>2060932
>Thirdie hates what he can't have
Many such cases!

>>2060934
Who cant "have it". The thieving government tries to steal my fully owned home every year for these cathedrals to stupidity....

>>2044303
>loves paying for jerk off to nowhere interchanges for density where no one lives.
Those aren't "interchanges to nowhere", they carry lots of traffic. Just because it's not where YOU go doesn't mean its not useful; with that mindset no one should build trains, anywhere.

>Also "beltways". Fuck "beltways".
"We shouldn't send traffic straight through the 'city', wait, not like that, reeeeeeee"

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>>2060945
I'm a professional driver. My depot is right off that interchange. Ive been there 100s of times....its all elevated highways cause of grift, under the pretenses of less footprint (area), clogged with more 2 ton coffee getters who should not be in professional drivers way.....thats why its the greatest of crimes.

Pouring resources into nowhere just encourages idiots to pretend its somewhere/keep doing more of the same. Trains are the only thing that has a right to exist, and run as little as possible. Conservancy/efficency more and more.

>not like that
Interstates should be FUCKING INTERSTATES, two lanes, federally cofounded, insulated from local traffic/development, with a dead end stem to the apron of a city, into traffic calming/intentional/disincentivise parasitic "visiting", IF it makes economic sense. Everything else is foot in the door/"spend your way out of debt" commie bullshit.

You could only justify a beltway if there is another city in every cardinal direction. Richmond has half of ANOTHER beltway in the east side, that they justified cause they orbited another "city that didn't work" around the first beltway which is faux conservative with more ceremonial toll collection.

So YES, bypasses only till proven otherwise.

>>2060950
Oh boy another Cluster B urbanist

I dont even know the fuck that is, but if its another name for ground upnationalist:ok.

>>2060954
*rationalist

Fucking auto incorrect

>>2060950
>I'm a professional driver.
>but I want to make everything as slow and inconvenient as possible

>>2058362
>clearly under construction
>little dot where people are veering into the wrong lane is probably a sign or construction worker
Am the only one with working eyes when I see this webm reposted?

>>2060965
If the moron public is tamed, it will be slow in town, instead of EVERYWHERE

>>2060385
This is really the only thread that matters current on this board. Get it tattooed on your eye lids: "Road Diet"

>>2060967
Good eye, but I imagine the drone is up for exactly this reason if not for surveying stills. As someone who lives near Americans who encounter 4 unnecessary roundabouts in the middle of nowhere 2 miles from my house, the amount of people who you seem confused, pause, come at you the wrong way, is staggering. Just like keeping right, they seem perplexed by the most intuitive thing ever...

>>2061047
>they seem perplexed by the most intuitive thing ever...
Then it's obviously not intuitive

>>2060950
>Interstates should be FUCKING INTERSTATES, two lanes, federally cofounded, insulated from local traffic/development, with a dead end stem to the apron of a city
t. has zero knowledge of the history of interstates. Also,
>How dare the public want to use the road network their tax dollars fund!
I hope you get deported, Mr "professional driver"

>>2061048
>not intuitive
How low can you go....

>>2061050
I sad SHOULD, why the fuck do I need history of what went wrong for ground up thinking?
>want
What baby wants doesn't matter. Never had a right to it. Why would I get deported? I'm the only rightful resident of my county/this state/continent/earth

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Physical distance: 50 feet
Road distance: 4.4 miles

>>2061096
>American Way has a roundabout on it
AIEEEEEE

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>>2061096
I can see why you cropped out so much route information. It's to keep a lot of traffic from a large complex (directly tied to a freeway) out of a residential neighborhood. If this had been done in the urban core, you'd be praising it as an effective road diet that controls carbrains. Why does your side always have to be disingenuous about everything?

>>2061104
Its on the d.c. beltway, stupid....

>>2047792
As an american traveling to europe the big old cities are exactly like this and I get lost very often lol, especially on days with no sun because I can't navigate myself.

>>2048001
it's SOVL but having been to St-Malo, France, these sorts of medieval towns are completely fucking unnavigable

>>2047792
It's called Star Topology, sweaty. :)

>>2061059
>Why do I need to know anything about the purpose of something to know it's not working!??
I hope you really are a driver like you said. I can't imagine a worse hell than to have to keep raging in your cage. Meanwhile, I enjoy cruising the interstate network in my freedomobile

>>2061104
it would be fine if there was a legit pedestrian path from the fake suburb to the "downtown" area

>>2061240
It's specifically insulated from the riffraff in that "suburb" to maintain the ritzy tourist area.

>>2061240
>>2061250
You need to be 18 to post here

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>>2058411
Russians are not stuck in car mind, they are stuck in fortress mind. The ten lane highways are arteries to transfer military equipment, while serving as de-facto walls for pedestrians/infantry. There are only select places where you can cross third ring and big ring on foot and they are all easily fortified, both from inside and outside. Should anything happen- nobody comes, nobody leaves.

>>2051437
you'd be correct if it wasn't for other transit modes that scale up infinitely better than highways. like rail, you can just increase the frequency. what automobiles do is scale down well, for small populations and sprawl they're ideal.

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>>2061298
>if it wasn't for other transit modes that scale up infinitely better than highways. like rail, you can just increase the frequency
Just one more train bro

>>2061299
yes actually, a few more trains did the trick:

"Due to the Yamanote Line's central location connecting most of Tokyo's major commuter hubs and commercial areas, the line is very heavily used. Sections of the line were running over 250% capacity in the 1990s, and remained above 200% for most of the 2000s with most sections dropping below 150% in 2018. As of 2023, the congestion has dropped further to 125% on the outer loop and 131% on the inner loop. This is due to larger and more frequent trains being introduced to the Yamanote Line and the opening of parallel relief lines such as the Tokyo Metro Fukutoshin Line and Ueno–Tokyo Line."

>>2061300
>and the opening of parallel relief lines
Just spend billions of dollars building relief lines and the problem will go away bro

>>2061301
yeah you're totally right, let's just rip up all the rail lines in tokyo and replace them with highways, that'll work perfectly and be much cheaper.

>>2061202
The purpose in the name, captain doublespeak.
>freedom mobile
>personally thousands of dollars a year
>largest civil project in world history
Another "fellow traveler"...

>>2061302
>let's just rip up all the rail lines in tokyo and replace them with highways
I didn't say or imply that

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>>2061306
One thing antis are right about is the self righteousness about reformers. Not that has anything to do with their arguments. Its typical female brained deflection. That is till the good guys friendly fire with this no true scot shit....

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>>2061281
Thats really interesting, and a fine example. Roads are classic commie halo projects (north Korea, thailand) and always empty...what a strong double lesson.

>>2061047
maybe for you it's important because you're paid to shill but nobody on this board or this website wants to see your subhuman urbanist peddling in any way, shape or form

>>2061480
Haha, tell me the media strategy or canvassing the slowest board on the quiet kid collect site? Still think we swayed the 2016 election?

>>2061481
I see you on other boards bringing up urbanist talking points in unrelated threads fairly often

>>2044302

>>2061482
You do. Its called contributing, dumbass.

>>2061500
>contributing
something that you shills have never donce in your life once

>>2061481
literally nobody likes or wants to see you, yet you keep on spamming your putrid garbage unprompted again and again. hopefully those Bezos bucks are worth being despised by your neighbors, family and strangers alike.

>>2061514
Absolutely. I cant push along project retard. Pride of my life not to.

>>2061515
Thats the whole thing right there
>"wants"
What little babies care about mean less than nothing to me, as I am the big dick of reality thats coming for them, like it or not. And why would jeffy b finance the undermining of his greatest scheme (toilet paper by mail)?

>>2061566
>as I am the big dick of reality thats coming for them
The micro dick that you cut off to appease your jewish masters you fruitlessly shill for, you mean?

>big things are little things
We are not the same. Good job staying on topic

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you dont understand bro. theres a giant parking lot right there but i NEED a giant cul de sac. and no you cannot cross the highway. no you cannot go into the housing area either. we need a two lane each way road around this one(1) unfinished Unaffordable Housing Development

we put a bike path along it though that goes to all of your favorite places, like the woods where you belong you fucking animal :)

>>2063469
>another shill bump 1 month in
very transparent 41%

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why are anglophone countries by far the worst western countries when it comes to urban planning?
i was literally banned a while ago for making a thread about this but then this thread just corroborates my statement

>>2063545
>i was literally banned a while ago for making a thread about this
I'm never going to watch your vlog.

>>2063545
>I wanted to make another post with inflammatory rhetoric directly from Reddit without any argument
>wtf why did I get banned

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>>2049506
Several years ago someone posted a couple of these to /n/. Maybe there were more? I only saved Cincinnati & Detroit.

>>2063709
Damn! This is some fresh ass shit! I'd never seen this before! Thanks, anon!

>>2063545
Property rights mainly. Long tradition of being able to challenge anything that interferes with your private property even if it's for the public good. This is particularly extreme in Ireland. We've been trying to build a Metro in Dublin for the past 25 years, just got through the basic planning stage, and 10 dickheads who owned houses near the planned main end terminus brought a legal challenge against the whole thing which could have delayed it by several more years. Transport Infrastructure Ireland ended up agreeing to buy their houses.

>>2048237
>what the fuck is induced demand anyway

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>>2063788
>what the fuck is induced demand
A useless buzzword

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Fucking Italy.

>>2063791
The burden is on yo to provide an endpoint for growth. To do that, you must provide a start point
>protip: you cant
>inb4: I want to have zero responsibility for my world destroying, zero compromise fantasy of everyone doing everything at the same time in a car, cause your faggot ass gave away the most valuable land (cities)

>>2063995
Sounds made up

>>2063995
What do you mean, an "endpoint for growth"? Most of what makes modern cities possible is a working logistics system to provide food and services, i.e. highways.
>gave away the most valuable land (cities)
Land value as a concept beyond inherent land value (flat, arable land is better than swamps or mountains or something unusable) isn't a good argument when talking about cities because land value is heavily influenced on what's near it. There are whole books on appraisal, what is pricey development now was farmland 50 years ago because of development around it, and that includes access.
The other thing for land value to work as an argument in these "best use" scenarios is to assume there is NO subsidized housing and all taxes from land value are re-invested in taxpaying citizens (which is rare in big cities).

>people like being near stuff
we need to build more highways and parking lots so people can live further apart

>>2064053
highways allow people to be near stuff without the constraints of being physically right near each other. mind blowing, i know.

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wtf why does no one want to work here ?? the burger king didnt even last a year before going bankrupt, did millenials and their avocado toast do this ??

>>2063998
Well, it defies belief....but look out your window....

>>2064030
I mean why not a 50 lane highway so no one ever has to break, when the only logical configuration is two lane one way MAX.
>land value
If you cant understand a bullseye, no one can help you
>300 million dollar apartment buildings

>>2064066
....at the expense of everything.....have you tried not being a coward?

>>2064072
First time ive seen high volume businesses in the nape of an interchange on all side....again the only logical configuration IF you are doing car based. Where is this?

>>2064125
>....at the expense of everything
i don't see any downsides? is being called a coward by parasitic trannies the only one? i'll take it, build more highways please.

>>2064148
>cant understand basic math
>or sexuality
No, YOU are the faggot.

>>2064161
>basic math is when dysgenic rotting axewound trannies complain that they aren't allowed to get their way

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>>2061184
>>2061186

Tourist Americhiens BAFFLED by existence of non-gridline street patterns, more at 11. I stayed in Florence for 4 days and I could navigate the ancient centre by day 3. It's just a matter of looking at the map and connecting certain landmarks to cardinal directions, streets, squares etc.

>>2048570

It's perfect. Even the planned cities in Europe have more soul than the grids found in the new world.

>>2044302
>>2044303
People who are punished for their sins live here

>>2064179
So you again.

>>2064186
Asymmetry draws the eye. Monotony is oppressive. Simple landmarks or some difference solves this problem. But like buildings before SOME code here, people encounter a 2 foot wide staircase and they seem to think "where is the government on this"?