Been riding on pirelli p zero race tlr 4s this summer and I'm liking them a lot. Toobless, of course.

Got to try some vittoria tour de france meme tires a couple weeks ago, those were nice too. All serious high end all-rounder road tires are pretty much the same to be honest. I mean yeah there's differences between stuff like a gatorskin vs a turbo cotton but I mean within the generalist category it's all pretty good, a lot of the sperging is just suggestible people reading marketing fluff, modern tires are so nice, believe me I know, I remember constantly fixing flats on those 120psi puncture magnets back in the day

>>2052140
GP 5000 S TR on my roadbikes in 30mm and tubeless.
Maxxis Dissector and stuff like that on my trail and downhill rig. Tubeless of course.
Race kangs on my 26in shitty grocery getter with tubes

I wish Conti would make a lightweight Doublefighter.

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for me it's chink tpus

Put P Zero Road 32-622 with Aerothan TPU tubes on my bike and I am pleasantly suprised. This setup is lighter than eg Conti GP5000s tubeless without all the tubeless hassle and ride feel is great.
Almost 1k so far, done a bike race and some bike packing, no issues. No flats even on some unplanned gravel paths.
TPU tubes mog the shit out of tubeless setups.

>>2052159
will try them

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Currently using a pair of 29x1.95" slicks.

I want to build a new bike, but with 27.5" x 2.3" slicks, if it's even possible to find such a thing in Aliexpress.

What I actually desire are 24 x 3" but it seems almost impossible to find a combination of forks/frame/rims/tires that would be adequate.

I don't want a fat bike. I want something that has wider tires than what is available for most regular bikes, but thinner than fat bikes, which look horrible.

>>2052159
I have a bunch of never-used TPU inner tubes. They're just sitting in a drawer until I get some tetrahydrofuran, which is the only solvent that can properly weld them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGqoF6mARpg

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>>2052170
i ran these as well but they didn't hold pressure nearly as well, and the included patch didn't seal a puncture

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>>2052159
I did something very wrong, didn't I? It held 60 psi for a night and then went poof before I got to ride it in the morning. There's a crease of thin material going almost all the way around from these bulges.

>>2052159
yeah, they're great

>>2052180
if you have kevlar or other super tight bead, your levers can fuck tpus up on installation. I had a lot of problems with that until I realized what was going on, because my first experience with tpu was also my first kevlar bead. switching to Pedros levers made those problems go away.

>>2052171
what you have seems plenty fat.
tell me about that front sus, does it actually do anything?

Just thought I'd give an update, it's me from the last thread, I bought some gator skins for my commuter because I was fed up with punctures.

Anyway, still no punctures, it's been months or maybe longer, I can't remember exactly when I bought them, but they get me to and from work, about 16 miles a day through glass strewn streets and thorny canal paths, and they still didn't let me down.

not the fastest, not the comfiest, certainly not the lightest and they aren't as stylish as my michelins, but they do what they say they do.

still running GP5ks with tpu in 28mm on my fast bike and loving it. would go 30 but no clearance on the brake bridge.
utility bike still doing Panaracer Pasela PT s in 630 x 32 (27" x 1¼”) with butyl tubes. no complaints, they're nice.

>>2052232
It's not mine, it's my fatspo

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>>2052238
Also this

>have used gatorskins for years because of commuting, installed new ones back in april after 4k miles on the old pair, they were a great price only like $60 for a pair
>pass 1,000 miles with no flats
>for some reason it decides to rain, in august, for the first time since spring
>within a few miles of riding, i get a flat on my rear tire and pull out a small sliver of metal that got into the tire
>rotate tires, the rear one seems to be more beat up that normal with small deep holes and even a few long ones, where i used rubber cement and super glue to try to seal them back up

im a little concerned, because usually like i mentioned i get around 4k miles in a few years before needing to change them. i wonder if its just a coincidence that all summer dry riding never had any flats, then literally the first day of rain, within a few miles this metal got in there.

>>2052248
Wet and thus lubed up metal puncure more easily

>>2052248
completely normal, rain is overall just a huge PITA from a bike maintenance perspective, why do you think so many people don't like riding in the rain? if it was just about getting wet I'd prefer rain rides but it ends up taking so much time and money you eventually start to recoil at the thought of more bullshit

>>2052248

if you absolutely must ride in the rain and have no other choice the best thing to do in the wet is lock your brakes up and bunny hop there and baxk. If possible attach some kind of grippy protection to the bottom of your tyres, I use sneaker soles held on with cable ties, this also gives a better bounce and makes the bunnyhops more efficient.

>>2052293
>>2052295
>>2052312
this never has happened to me before, i dont think ive ever gotten a flat riding in the rain before (like i said, always ride gatorskins, i know everyone here hates them, but for me the grip has been fine, and the puncture resistance and long lasting tire is worth the sacrifices). this was just such a weird occurrence, going a thousand miles dry no problem, then the first rain in months, literally 2 miles in and i get a flat. and what was even weirder is that a few minutes before leaving, i put some more air into the tires too to top it to 110 psi.

i figure maybe it was one of those situations where it was a shoulder bike lane, but a wide one (so it wasnt like i was crushed into a 3 inch bike lane in a gutter against a hillside or something), and maybe with the rain, some crap got washed into it and thats how i ran over it

on sunday a few days ago i rode this same path again, dry weather, and had no issues. probably just a fluke.

>>2052326
there was a point back in my cyclo commute days when I got deep slashes from glass or debris on 3 rain rides in a row and I ragequit the rain rides. maybe it was bad luck but I know now that rain flats are a known phenomenon. I took the train on rain days after that.

back in those days I was on 700x25 so hey maybe things have changed now that I'm on bigger fatter tires with latex inside but if I can avoid rain I will. I've been caught out in storms a number of time and it's always a guilty pleasure, and I've never had a rain flat since, but it's so ingrained now that I will never start a ride anymore knowing I'm going to experience significant rainfall.

>>2052343
coincidentally i ride on 700x25cs as well

What's a good sealant brand when setting up for tubeless?

>>2052454
I use orange seal because it's the most readily available so when I need to top up I don't have to purge the whole tire

Basically it's all pretty good except there's one israeli brand which I won't use. I'm sure they're nice people and not directly, personally responsible for any genocidal activities by their government, but why risk it

can confirm that there is a direct correlation with rain and puncture frequency

living as i do in the uk i got plenty of data and real life experience to draw upon, and after more than 12 years of almost dailt cycling, to and from school, commuting and pleasure riding, i never had a puncture on a dry day, but i had scores of them in wet conditions.

that's just a fact

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>>2052140
I'm bored so I'm gonna sperg, first with 700c roadie rubber
>gp5k (25)
weirdly soft sidewalls, sketchy traction esp in wet, poor build quality
>gp5k s tr (25)
solves all of my problems with gp5k
>pirelli p zero race tlr (28, 32)
good shit, haven't ridden these as much as I would like yet
>veloflex anything
so fucking fast and comfy for skinny tires. puncture resistance isn't half bad for what they are
>specialized tarbo cotton ("25"s that are really 23)
good but prone to tread separation because vittoria can't into gluing their open tubulars properly
>vittoria open corsa evo (23, 25)
not quite as good as the tarbo cotton, same problem with tread separation
>vittoria zaffiro (28)
more like slowfiro lol. good training tires tho. good puncture resistance and traction
>gravelkangz (28 slick)
slow as fuck, somehow gets absolutely fucked by the flinty shit we have everywhere
>pasela pt (25, 28, 32)
kinda okay at everything, used to be the best value in tires but at $50 per, nope, not when there are tires that do everything better
>gatormemes (28)
I know two people who have gotten busted collarbones from them losing traction in the wet. Had them on one bike and would constantly spin the rear when riding in the wet. fuckem
(cont.)

cont. with dirt rubbers
>simworks homage (26 x 1.95)
love em
>schwalbe kojak folding (26 x I forget)
slow as fuck, no wet traction at all, no puncture protection
>panaracer fire pro xc (26 x 2.1)
great traction on all kinds of durt but very slow
>schwalbe g-one bite (40c)
good for hardpack dry gravel, trash for loose, dangerously bad on wet dirt. slow
>rene herse steliacoomer extralite (38c)
fast, comfy, great traction in all conditions, barely more puncture resistance than a butyl tube
>schwalbe rocket ron + thunder burt (29 x 2.1)
fast as fuck, great monstercross or xtra-wide gravel tire
>schwalbe magic mary (29 x 2.4)
wonderful all-rounders
>maxxis ardent exo tr (29 x 2.4)
meh all-rounders

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I use Schwalbe Durano (25) on my Summer commuting road bike. On my Winter commuter I use Schwalbe Marathon Surpreme, although I can't recommend them.
On my gravel bikepacking bike, which I ride the most distance on, I ride Rene Herse Hatcher Pass (48) picrel

>>2052552
are you using the extralights?

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>>2052159
Yeah, they’re good

>>2052454
The new silca stuff lasts way longer before drying out than anything else I’ve tried, it lasted 5 months in the hot, dry Vegas heat before needing a refill with only 2 oz of sealant

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Thoughts?

https://www.tannus.co.uk/pages/tannus-armour-installation

>>2052617
I bet it's squishy. I had solid tough "foam" tire once and it felt like I was always riding through mud

>>2052140
expensive tires are a scam. cheap ones can take any weather conditions but the expensive high end contis developed cracks just from being stored outside in the winter. but got to give them that despite the grim looks they have not exploded yet and are perfectly usable

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>>2049171
So, it happened AGAIN. I can blame the tarmac, I can blame Panaracer, I can blame my riding style, I can blame my non-existing puncture protection, I can blame the dogshit rubber, I can blame the LBS, I can praise inner tube's effort but the truth is it's simply not enough. Protection, determination, performance in wet or dry, UV resistance you name it, it all stinks.

Don't get me wrong, I still have full faith in the tire and the tube, but MASSIVE reinforcements are desperately needed right fucking now. Otherwise I'm not very optimistic about the next season, or stopping punctures getting #3 for that matter. Not riding like this. What do you think, /btg/?
Pic very much related.

>>2052676
>stored outside in the winter
why would you do that

>>2052744
Tyres are a consumable.
They are designed to have a limited life, whether you wear them out through riding or not.

Tyre companies like all businesses need you coming back for replacements ASAP.

>>2052754
well thats where i use it and carrying it in and out all the time is not so fun. never seen anything like that happen before

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Guess I'm getting new tires

>>2052744
that tire is dry-rotted to fuck and back. paselas aren't that good to begin with and that particular tire is fucked
>>2053228
that sucks, did some asshole fuck it with a knife?

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Looking at belt drive / internal hub bikes atm. The Cube Hyde Pro has..
>Shimano Nexus hub
>Alu frame
>Shimano Alfine shifters and disc brakes
>carbon fork
There is an more expensive version that comes with lights, a rack, and mudguards etc. There is also the old version still available to buy, where I think the only difference is that it does not have a carbon fork, but it's significantly cheaper.
Question: Are there any red flags with these components?

>>2053332
Don't get a Cube, Canyon, or a Factor.

>>2053332
Big Apple are decent, but you could always do better. Especially so if you decided not to buy a whole new bike just for the tyres.

>>2053357
Why is that?
>>2053363
What? I don't currently have a bike

>>2053328
>paselas aren't that good to begin with
I've been running them for 5 years or so now. they seem fine. good, even.

>>2053364
They all have terrible customer service, and spotty reputations for quality control.

>>2053332
sir, this is the tire thread

>>2053373
As a canyon owner I love to bash canyon because they're utterly soulless bikes, but one of the reasons these consumer direct bikes get such a dedicated crowd of haters is that you kind of have to become your own bike shop so whatever obnoxious shit your local specialized dealer puts up with, is on you as a customer of canyon etc.

>>2053373
What to get instead? I'm almost closing on a Cube Attain C:62 for €1699

>>2053375
Upon further inspection, I think you're right

>>2053384
have you ridden it?
a c6001 belt bike is like riding through molasses

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Anyone use these? I've never seen them before

Can someone explain to me the difference between cheap, mid and high end tires? And in non ominous terms like "with cheap tires you can't feel the road"

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Tyres are the most important component on any bike. Being the interface between bike and the Earth the right tyre will transform performance and ride quality in ways that no other component can. If you skimp on tyres you're literally fucking yourself in the arse.

A cheap bike, assuming everything is set up correctly, with superb tyres will ride nicely, a top end bike with shite tyres will ride like shite. It's astonishing how many people you see riding £3k+ bikes with £15 tyres.

Like wearing clogs for a football match.

>>2054466
I have cheap tyres and can feel the road very well. Although I choose not to as I don't like getting road debris on my fingers

>>2054466
>cheap
heavy, roll slowly, less than great handling and traction, decent puncture protection, unpleasant to ride, often crazy overbuilt to prevent issues like dry rot because they're sold to people who don't give a fuck about bikes and thus need to be able to withstand neglect so that the manufacturer/retailer doesn't get sued
>midrange
lighter, rolls faster, better handling and traction, usually better puncture protection, little loss of durability
>high end
built for particular use cases, sacrificing anything unrelated. race tires that are as light as can be, roll very fast, and handle well, but have fuckall puncture protection or durability. or trekking tires that don't get punctured and last 15,000 miles but roll like shit and are harsh riding. with mtb tires it goes deeper into the weeds, with specific tires for specific types of terrain

>>2052248
this anon reporting back a month and a few weeks later. ive gone almost 700 miles since this incident and no flats

>be out of cycling for a few years
>nobody sells decent 23mm tires anymore

fuck this meme industry

>>2055279
the entire pro peloton is on 28s, except one or two guys on 25s. what do you want 23s to do that 25s won't?

>>2055282
no clearance for 25 or bigger

>>2055283
ah, shit.
that does suck.

>>2055283
Conti and maybe other brands tend to run small.
my GP5ks in 28 are 26 on my rims when I busted out the calipers and I've heard people online say they run narrow.

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>>2055283
what if I told you that five years from now tires will be close to frictionless while feeling as compliant and plush as full-suspension MTBs are now

>>2055287
That's what Speed Kings on TPU tubes feel like.

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>>2055279
lolwut
you can get veloflex, various contis from gatormemes to gp5ks, a whole bunch of schwalbes from marathons to pro ones, panaracer paselas, etc. wouldn't be shocked if the 622-24 vittorias and pirellis fit because they tend to run narrow even on modern width rims

>>2055299
I recently got a new MTB and went tubeless with sidewall-supporting inserts. it is absolutely bonkers. I had to ride my old 29er at 25psi to avoid destroying rims. this thing? 15psi is the starting point and in theory you can run zero (0) without compromising corpse-profile/sidewall geometry. I'll be putting them in every tire I install for the rest of my life and I want a road bike version. you just get an infinitely supple infinitely fast tire at the cost of a little bit of extra install effort. if I ever manage to flat one (doubtful) I may change my tune because I think you have to pull the insert to install a get-home tube...

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Can someone please explain to me why roadies are in love with Vittoria? They seem kinda mid when you look at the test results on BRR, and yet they're quite expensive. Is it just that they're italian and italian shit is cool? Is it "the pros do it so it must be good"? Or is BRR not measuring something important?

>>2055335
yeah I felt that way when I first tried those inserts

you'll realize why they're not popular the first time you have to remove a tire with them on

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>>2055824
BRR's test only measures hysteresis, which naturally leads it to tell people that narrower tires at higher pressures have less rolling resistance. But that doesn't translate to real-world performance, since at some point you reach an impedance breakpoint where higher pressures cause the tire to bounce up and down, which drastically increases rolling resistance, lowers grip, and makes the bike much more tiresome to ride. The rougher the surface, the faster you reach that breakpoint. That's where having wider more supple tires (on wider rims, rim width and how it affects the tire's shape is also important) helps and why the pros are now riding tubeless 28s or even 30s at lower pressures on tarmac. Tubulars are dead tech now btw

More reading: https://silca.cc/blogs/silca/part-4b-rolling-resistance-and-impedance

As for Vittoria, they just make decent tires and yeah, have that Italian name despite being made in Thailand. That's why real italoboo roadies run Veloflex, which came about when Vittoria left Italy

>>2055832
>tubulars are dead tech now btw
big W

>>2055832
I had a pair of veloflex once and they were great tires

it appears they went out of business though

I suck so much ass as patching tubes. I had a dozen of them that I’ve saved over the years, bought the good quality rema patches, got the big can of tire rubber cement. I’m doing everything you’re supposed to, sanding it, putting on the cement in a big area, letting it dry, doing the patch, and most of them still fail, especially right on the edge of the orange border or a tiny pinhole in that orange border that fucks it up. I’m so tired of it

>>2056001
I haven't patched a tube since I was a kid. When I bike commuted I just tossed the tube. Now that I'm on tubeless i haven't even used a worm in like 12k miles

>>2056001
Sanding the area does pecieely dick so I went over to just cleaning the area with hexane solvent(lighter fluid would be close iirc).
It baleets the release agent on it and makes patches stick real good.

>>2056001
>right on the edge of the orange border
try leaving the plastic film on rather than peeling it off.

>>2052483
>living as i do in the uk i got plenty of data and real life experience to draw upon, and after more than 12 years of almost dailt cycling, to and from school, commuting and pleasure riding, i never had a puncture on a dry day, but i had scores of them in wet conditions.
But we also have the reality to draw upon, that is we let a little rain put us off cycling we wouldn't cycle at all for half the year.

>>2055335
Hmmm ive been running 29x2.6 at 15 psi or less, no inserts… am i fuckkng up my rims?

>>2056070
if you aren't getting pinch flats you probably aren't getting pinch-dings either. 2.6 on new-ish rims is MUCH higher volume than my crappy old 29er on stock rims w/ 17mm inner on 29x2.2 so I would expect lower pressure just for that reason. you're probably fine.

>>2056070
I can run 27.5x2.4 at 11 front 14 rear, rigid fork no suspension, and that's about where I bottom out hitting a curb and almost pinch flat. I did a 3 feet jump off onto a sharp ledge and bent the rim a bit and had to repair it but that's because I'm being stupid on my bike. You'll be alright with 29x2.6 at 15, I'll even go as far and say if you were as a twink lightweight like me on a setup like that less than 10psi might even work. The new trend is lowest pressure possible without the sidewall buckling

>>2055856
Damn, they did, a year ago even. That really sucks

>>2056027
i did the same forever, but instead of tossing i just kept them in a box. then i decided to try patching them instead of buying new ones for $4-6 each. a decent number work, but more than i would like just fuck up.
>>2056064
huh maybe. although i do the "fold in the middle" where theres intentionally a plastic perforation to peel it out rather than pulling off at the corners.

tfw bought a set of p-zeros and they feel like ass compared to the gp5ks i had on before

>>2055856
they what? Damn shame, I had their 23mm tubulars and it was comfier than my cheapo ultra sport.

>>2056089
>>2056355
I think the problem is they didn't charge enough. they were selling them like they were gp4k when the market was hungry for a high end supple tire. they were in fact a high end tire but they didn't advertise and they were cheap so freds dismissed them

I need recommendations for 26x1.95 or 2.1 tires. I keep seeing Maxxis DTH or Billy Bonkers, are these any good for daily commutes on and off-road (gravel)? Are there any hidden gem (cheaper) alternatives? Or should I just go for contact urbans?

>>2057327
From Personal experience, Billies are great for road and gravel use. And they are relatively light.

>>2057329
Almost forgot: Conti Double Fighters aren't exactly a hidden gems, they are quite popular, but they are great all-rounders.
They are considerably heavier than Billies, though.

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>>2057327
wingfoot
kicker
twinrail

vittoria evolution or marathon mondial if you want more of a street/touring tire

>>2055283
Lmao
Take a Dremel to your frame and fork. Those areas are duper overbuilt anyways.

Can't fit 28mm or 32mm lmao I hate road.bikes and roadies even more

>>2052744
a fellow /n/ato supremacist?
a /uhg/ bloodthirster?

>>2057549
>dremel
Hello crackhead

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>>2055283
>tfw
I'm really considering selling my bike because I really want to use 28mm tires.

>>2057574
the industry flips between 23 and 28 every ~7 years specifically to sell new bikes to retards. ss this post and check back in 2030, you'll be seething.

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>>2052140
Riding to work, got flat tire. Have my little pump with me. Should I ride back home slowly to put less pressure on it or can I ride normally? I know I’ll be pumping it constantly but still curious.

>>2057602
judging by the timestamp you're home by now, but I was going to say if you patch the tube (or trade out the tube for a fresh one) you can pump it up and ride normally, although some mini pumps have trouble pumping high pressure like for road tires, so I would take it easy on any rough stuff or lean into sharp turns.
it sounds like you have a slow leak that you weren't going to patch and just pump again at intervals, in which case I'd baby it a little and check it a lot at first until you have an idea how often you need to fill it.
anyway, how'd it go?

>>2057609
>lean into sharp turns
*don't lean hard I mean

>>2057574
Lets see your aleged bike.

My Marathon Mondial have reached 10k km, never had a flat and only show minor wear. Will probably do another 10k just fine.
Only issue is that they are heavy as fuck and roll mediocre.

>>2057936
They're built for long distance touring/commuting, not breaking benchmark times.
If you want the contrary, use GP5000 or similar, but know that they won't be as resilient.

>>2052617
works great for puncture, they are difficult to install though, cut a spot out of the sidewall to accommodate the valve. You will still need to check inner tube pressure its not unusual to lose 1/2 a psi a week and too low will cause issues

>>2052617
I tried the vittoria version of those and I will never do that again. Makes toobless setup look like a walk in the park

>>2057592
ok schizo

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ultradynamico mars race's, 26x2.whatever
they look great, it took me an hour to get them to bead, and within the first mile of riding i got a puncture on the front tire and didnt notice until i was riding back and went to took a hard turn and the tire all but fell off the rim

i know its a soft tire, and they literally warned me, but holy fuck that was annoying

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>>2058253
this was literally the hardest thing i hit with them, a shitty piece of "bike lane" where the company that owns the railroad decided not to pave this part
so in like 5 feet of gravel i ride every single day on panaracer fire XC pro's i got a flat
i almost fear how these are going to hold up to say, the 25ish miles of abandoned roads in the woods to get to the beach

>>2058253
>>2058254
mount meme tires, get meme results

>>2058253
Nice loop, what's it cooling?

Also I thought coloured tyres were a no go.

>>2058284
not him but I looked it up once. the data showed all colors were substantially worse than black. allegedly the Continental black chili rubber is better than the other black varieties, but not sure if data backs that up. my contis seem grippier than my black panaracers but that's admittedly subjective.

>>2058285
yeah, you can also make tyres black without adding carbon black(like conti's black chili compound), those could perform worse I guess

>>2056125
Update: Got a massive cut on the sidewall of the front tire. They're basically done after 300 miles.

>>2058284
its actually not a loop, its a retro PC with components from ~2003/2004, the psu is transparent and all the cables are UV green wrapped
dont need to get too /g/ but its all early xp era high end stuff
and i never really saw much detailing colored tires being that much worse beyond that they seem to wear faster and age poorly, which isnt the end of the world for me, theyre tires, ill replace them

actual performance after doing a few rides on them now, theyre a lot better than i thought, the tread pattern is actually really aggressive when you see what it leaves behind, its effectively a paddle style tread, the bottom of the triangles really grips into stuff
theyre not as fast rolling as they seem to imply they are, theyre fine, but i dont notice much difference between them and the fire xc pro's from before in terms of flat land rolling resistance, what i mostly feel is the better grip, its a good tread pattern

no further flats but they really are soft tires, i didnt feel too much squiggle but its there

Can I please get a rundown on switching to tubeless, I'm not sure I fully get it and don't want to fuck it up
So I need to buy two new tyres that are tubeless ready, but I just need to put the tubeless tape around my current wheels?

>>2058897
>Can I please get a rundown on switching to tubeless
with tpu tubes there is very little reason to switch to tubeless
they are as light as the sealant in a tubeless tire, naturally puncture-resistant and low friction

>>2058897
>tape around
>around
>tyres

just pay a shop, you're hopeless

>>2058897
technically the only thing you absolutely need to buy is toobless valves.
you can poorfagmax and keep the old tyres/rims, use the rim strips instead of toobless tape and don't use sealant at all.

>>2058901
How I do on new rims and tires: wipe the rim with brake cleaner, two rounds of TESA packaging tape (maybe 3-4 euros for two wheels), poke a hole for valve and insert it. Install tire 90%, eyeball some decent amount of sealant and pour it in, put the last bit of tire on the rim. Inflate with compressor or track pump, spin it around a bit so the sealant seals everything. Taping takes time but once that is done, it's faster and easier than tubes.

I'm running 4 bikes on tubeless. Cleaner, less hassle, less things to fuck up, all in all everything has been easier and more convenient. Zero punctures in 20000 km with tires without any puncture protection. I'm 90kg and don't cherry pick my routes at all, whatever navigator throws at me.

Tubes are fine for the one 80s ATB that I ride once a year, it's kind of nostalgic experience if I get to patch a tube. Have some good memories of sipping coffee from thermos and lighting up a cig while waiting for the cement to dry.

>>2058903
that sounds like an incredibly bad idea, I hope anon does this and reports back

So continental has a "new" tire called and it's just called "Grand Prix TR". Totally not going to be confusing.

Has anyone tried them yet? Thoughts?

>>2058897
>Grab two tires that are tubeless ready
>Swap out the old rim tape with one that can be used for tubeless conversion, ~2mm wider than the rated rim width of your wheels usually works
>Install the tubeless valve; punch a hole smallest possible for the valve to fit through the rim tape and the rim valve hole so the likelyhood of leaks is very low
>Install your tire like you normally would, would recommend getting a Kool-stop Tire Bead Jack to make installation easier for new tires. Add some air, as this will help break in your tires and set the bead, also check for initial leaks, massage the tire bead around the wheel for best possible seating
>Let out the air, rotate the wheel to where the valve is facing 6:00 position/bottom, then add your sealant - the least messiest method imo
>once sealant is injected, inflate the tire with a little bit of air, obviously close the valve, then shake/spin the entire wheel to get the sealant all inside the tire and to cover up any possible spots that might result in leaking air
Simple as that, and now you can roll with lower pressures, and won't have to worry about punctures..as much.

>>2059054
>Thoughts?
Wishing they would offer more tires they make, in 650b

>>2058917
do you ride offroad with the tubeless?

>bought a stolen bike off of some nigger(french)
>want to true my rims
>realize it's tubeless tires

Who is the nigger who invented tubeless bike tires? I would like to fire a rocket at his house. They are mushy as fuck and hard to service for literally no reason and now that I don't have a 2000$ bottle of "sealant" in my house and special bead-braking tools like a fucking auto shop would have I can't do any other work on the wheel.

>>2059420
>They are mushy as fuck
add more air, idiot
>I don't have a $2000 bottle of "sealant"
No bottle of sealant costs $2000, moron, they go around $15.
>special bead-braking tools like a fucking auto shop
So you don't have your own two hands.
>I can't do any other work on the wheel
What does the wheel have to do with tires?
What does tubeless tires have to do with truing a wheel that involves a spoke wrench.

You're being retarded on purpose, aren't you.

>>2059430
>add more air, idiot
it is never enough
>No bottle of sealant costs $2000
it could cost 2$ and i would still be offended
>So you don't have your own two hands.
normal tire levers can't get in there
>What does the wheel have to do with tires?
i have to remove the tire to adjust the spokes because the niggers and jews designing modern bikes have never thought that maybe an adjustment point should be readily accessible (the standoffs are round and not hex/square because bike designers are retarded)

>>2059439
>>2059420
true your attitude

>>2059420
Haha this hilarious homie is being hyperbolic! Must be a mere mockery, no true tradesman would find trouble with tubeless tires. Id reckon it’d require real retardation to be bewildered by basic bike repair.

>>2059448
>I'm def not having a melty, it's someone else who is at fault

>>2059420
Another nigger will steal it from you again, youre basically funding the theft of your own bike, doublenigger

>>2059490
incorrect. this bike was stolen in MANITOBA

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>>2059492
Thats where the F5 tornado was

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Not sure if this belongs on /bqg/, but I got a small puncture on a tubeless tire, and the sealant isn't patching the hole. I tried to deflate the tire, spin it for a few minutes, leave it with the hole facing down overnight, and it still won't hold pressure. There is sealant inside, the tire is fairly new, but it just forms a little puddle around the puncture and doesn't stick to it.

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>>2052140
I'm runnig the same pair of tires OP, had to swap the entire wheel but it was worth it, the 27 1/4 vitoria zaffiros could barely corner, stiff and thin. The contact urban are supple and stick to the ground like glue. They're perfect for the stroad hellhole where I live.

>>2059548
May require a tire plug/patch, sometimes punctures are too big for the sealant to properly seal.

>>2059548
>he fell for the tubeless meme

>>2059560
cool bike, that's insane tire clearance for such an old bike. getting some fake Ergon grips for my swept bars was a fantastic upgrade. it was just chinkshit from scamazon for a couple bucks but so comfy and more responsive handling, even.
why the reverse levers?

>>2059564
>why the reverse levers?
because they look cool, besides it's comfortable, putting the lever directly below my grips allows me to put more pressure on the brakes.
>that's insane tire clearance for such an old bike
I know, but I believe it could fit a 650/1.75 tire but I'm satisfied with these since there's space for some fenders, getting sprayes with sewage water since the road is split by river sucks!.

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I think I'll move away from cross tires for my touring bike conversion. I value rolling resistance higher than a little bit of extra grip that I only need on steeper forest roads or similar.

I ordered some Schwalbe Marathon Racer Performance. They're pretty cheap and light, at 465 g.

>>2059624
Damn shame they ditched the Marathon Supremes.

>>2059565
You could get even more leverage if you put the levers on the right way

>>2059565
>because they look cool
>dat cable routing
no, they don't

>>2059693
I would have preferred Double Fighters, but they're too heavy.

>>2059563
I ended up just sticking a tube in the tire. Plugs didn't work, sealant sprayed out everywhere.

>>2059721
That's why I never fully decided to try tubeless, because of shit like that.
Messy to deal with, worse when it "cures" when sitting for too long

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>>2059710
>You could get even more leverage if you put the levers on the right way
...possibly...
>no, they don't
hmph!

>>2059761
Schizo bike is ride by a schizo who coulda guessed

You’ll go far here

I'm in the market for a new set of tyres.
I could buy yet another set of Conti GP4S. They do the job, usually suvive more cuts than a typical emo kid. However there's a big downisde: changing the tube really sucks when it's dark, cold and wet.
I learned about GP5000 AS TR - seems like gp4s, but tubeless. This sounds like a good upgrade. Usually my punctures are small - think about one strand of steel cable puncturing the tyre all the way through. Almost instant flat, but sealant could manage it.
Anyone has any experience with this tyre?

>>2059724
My bike came with tubeless tires installed. They told me it was better, "self-repairing", etc. Didn't seem that way when I had to do the sticky, gloopy, messy walk of shame and replace a tire just a few months later. The replacement also got punctured eventually. But then again where I live the bike lanes are usually covered with assorted pieces of sharp debris. At least with a tube you can just replace the tube without making a mess.

>>2059949
What I don't get is why not just make the tubes thicker and fill them with bullshit fake sealant

every "advantage" tubeless has is Bad, Actually
>you can run le lower pressure!
So I lose energy to the road for no reason and have to have tires softer than my actual suspension?
>Its more securely on le rim!
So I need special tools and compounds to change it?
>It le cannot be punctured evar because le sealant goo!
And that is better than just having a half-inch of ablative rubber (an entire 1/2" thicc tire) in protecting the tube how?

If I wanted mushy shitty tires but that never go flat, I'd just get solid/cell ones like on a construction vehicle.

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>make a perfect tire
>in a variety of sizes
>with a fantastic budget-ish/more offroad-oriented alternatives (raceking and x-king)
>discontinue the whole king line right as it starts getting popular with grebble guys
>most get inferior replacements with stiff sidewalls, shit compounds and in all the wrong sizes (good luck squeezing a 2.4 into a gravel frame lmao)
>speedking gets canned entirely (terra hardpacks are rebranded speedking cx that look the same but don't roll for shit)
>no more black chili
>no high-performance 26 tires at all
motherfuckers at continental had it all and they pissed it all away
never doing business with them again
question- who to do business with now?

>>2060268
Panaracer, Schwalbe, Vittoria, Specialized, Pirelli, Michelin, Kenda, pick one really.

>>2060268
CST/maxxis, Vredestein

>>2060059
lol you must ride like a fucking grandma
Luddites can stay on their marathon supreme grandma bikes, it's not like they don't still sell innertubes. Tubeless has very real advantages for serious off-road riding, but I'm sure that's a foreign concept to you anyways.

>>2060268
maxxis is fine. I'm going to try running aspens next season. I like vittoria's graphene line for road use but I've never tried their mtb/grabble tires. if the aspens don't work out I'll try terrenos next.

>>2060274
>Panaracer
gravelking is loud as FUCK
it's like riding a chainsaw
>Schwalbe
name one schwalbe tire that doesn't roll like shit
>Vittoria
look at mr fancy pants here, paying more for a single tire than most people pay for a bicycle
>Specialized
lol
>Pirelli
>Michelin
see vittoria
>Kenda
see schwalbe
>>2060381
see kenda

>>2060394
also, most of them either don't have anything in 26 or have cheap commuter shit (except schwalbe, they have expensive commuter shit)

>>2060395
>26

why would they
why would anyone

>>2060394
One
pro One

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just removed my last veloflex carbon 23mm tubular that I bought from an old batch a few years ago at 30€ a pop.
made 6km with it in the back with no flats and I'm 80kg
they were probably 12yo when I bought them, and I just installed my last one. I expected the front one to do 12k
feels sad man, they don't make these any more, so fucking comfy and fast

>>2060394
see CST

>>2060426
I think the flat/non-vulcanized nature of veloflex was detrimental to their success in the era of toobless hookless. officially they're ok but most people have at least a little bit of paranoia around that kind of thing

>>2060400
26 is based, you are a retard

>>2060458
Based on what dying standards? Dirt Jumping?

>>2060463
26 is practical. A 26-inch bike fits in the elevator and takes less space in the apartament, while having negligible performance reduction. Thin 700c roadies are still fine because they are barely larger than thick 26-ers and the wheelbase is short, but large format 29s (40 and over) are way too big.

>>2060470
neither elevators nor apartments should exist

.

>>2060471
A bicycle is urban transport first and foremost, which kind of implies elevators and limited accomodation space. MTBs are toys.

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Luv me cuntinental gp5ks

>>2060470
>negligible
maybe for a commuter bike
Also I'm more concerned about how good my bike is riding it, ill survive hauling a few extra inches up some stairs

>>2060475
nah

>>2060454
I have no idea what you're talking about, never heard that was a concern and I've never heard any horror story
I took that pic just to show how well it lasted until I ran out of rubber

>>2060482
you didn't notice they were shaped differently from your previous tires when you installed them, or you mean you never heard of people saying what I said? do you hear a lot of people even talking about veloflex? because I don't. I'm just speculating.

>>2060483
idk bro I've been using veloflex for 15? years now?
mostly tubulars but also clinchers in the past
everything else feels like shit and I never had issues except for the most recent ones called ProTour. ProTour Race were mostly fine tho, but it just isn't the same

>>2060476
agree, mine have been treating me well

can we have gp5000s in 700cx45 please?

>>2060487
yeah but I'm saying things happen for a reason and the big thing that changed was the type of rim considered "normal"

>>2060510
Life hack , put two gp5000’s on one rim side by side

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>>2060512
Funny you say this, some of the earliest fat tires were prototyped by sewing two mtb tires and rims together

Anyone in here run handmade tyres? Are the comfort gains noticeable on a normal bike? Are the performance gains noticeable on a fast bike?

>>2060394
>>2060395
Okay, what do you suggest then?

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>>2060550

>>2060521
"Handmade" doesn't mean a lot when it comes with tires - for clinchers, a worker has to carefully load the multiple layers that make up the bead, casing, and tread into a machine that applies pressure and heat to mold all the parts into a complete tire. For tubulars, there's an extra hand work step to sew the tire into place around a tube. But either way, the handworking part is incidental to the performance of the tire, it's the materials (tread thickness and pattern, casing durability and flexibility) that matter for performance.

>>2060566
I'm asking more specifically about Rene Herse or Challenge tyres between 32 and 36mm.

>>2060551
cst is budget maxxis

>>2060575
yes

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>>2060513
holy shit

>>2060513
people really need to start asking not if they can but if they should

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My gravelking+ is nearing the end of its life after 10,000km. It has been pretty good riding on 80% shitty road and 20% off-road.
I'm looking for suggestions for new tires 700x38/40c.
I was thinking of getting the SS version just to switch things up.

>>2063588
try vittoria or rene herse
avoid schwalbe and maxxis

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>>2063588
Join Team Horse

>>2063591
>vittoria or rene herse
which ones?
>avoid schwalbe and maxxis
what's wrong with them?

>>2063592
which terra trail any good or something else in mind?

>>2063596
>something else in mind?
Depends what kind of road we're talking here
>>2063588
>riding on 80% shitty road and 20% off-road
How bad are we talking here, what kind of off-road, and how extreme?

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>>2063597
>How bad are we talking here
worst road conditions I ride on range from shitty pavement/chipseal to what looks like cobblestone because of how badly worn out the concrete roads are.
>what kind of off-road, and how extreme?
At best category 2 gravel and at worst is pic related.

>>2063596
>which ones?

you've got a tread-pattern preference so we're talking compounds. I like the high end vittoria tire material based on experience and I like rene herse because the lbs that only ever stocks the best of everything and which specializes in grabbel stocks rene herse. and vittoria. and nothing else.

>>2063596
>what's wrong with them?

nothing.

>>2052171
why do americans do this?

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are there any good cheap gravel tires in the 35-38mm range? trying to fix up an old trek 520, surprisingly good tire clearance but skinny rims. tanwall would be nice cause it's a girlbike and they like pretty more than rolling resistance. do i just splurge for gravelkings?

>>2063636
>gravelkings
>splurge
What's your price range?

>>2063596
schwobbles are by far the most uneven tires I've had in my life, for the life of me I cannot understand how it's considered a serious brand, probably for MTB it's fine but if you're on pavement they should be avoided like the plague

>>2063588
I have SS+ on my winter commuter and they are great

>>2063637
it's been such a cheap project so far that spending $100+ on tires kind of pains me. I was looking at the 20-30 a tire range (Pathfinder Sports maybe) but I'm not sure if you're actually just getting trash in that bracket.

>>2063648
Panaracer pasela

>>2063650
2nded

I will literally never buy a non-RH tyre again.

>>2052140
Running Continental GP 4 seasons 32mm 60 psi with latex tubes. Latex tubes are worth it. I have 2 miles of loose gravel with hills on each ride before I hit chipseal so can't really go slicker. Honestly going to le reddit I see people running large aggressive tires on gravel hard pack.

>>2059548
Just plug it. Bacon strip should fix that easy.

Building a rando/ultra wheel set for my one road bike. It will fit up to 28s with the Ultegra rim brakes currently and I doubt the rear triangle would clear more. The LBS suggested the Vittoria Rubino Pro 2.0s. I have good success with the graphene compound on the 2.25 Mezcals for the off road rig, but I saw a ton of sites with clearance pricing on this tire. Is there are a reason for that one? My currents are 25c Continental Ultrasports, and I found them reasonably fast and durable. I don't tend to do more gravel than necessary with this rig, although I won't always be able to avoid it on the routes.

>>2063704
sounds about right.
the bike I sometimes take off-road - hardpack , turf, and small gravel mostly - has 32mm panaracer pasela pt's pumped about 60 in front and 70 in back (assuming I pumped it that week, so maybe as low as 50front/60back) and it's only when I'm spinning my biggest gear can I feel the limitations of that size and pressure.
Good to see someone else confirming a similar setup.
I still run butyl tubes on it but I have tpu on my fast bike. don't know anything about latex but if it's more flat-prone then no thank you

>>2063745
>The LBS suggested the Vittoria Rubino Pro 2.0s

I rode rubino pros for years back when I was a poorfag. they are not really a recommendable tire just very sluggish and unpleasant, no upsides. I like the graphene compound too but rubinos are not it and you'd be especially disappointed after using mezcals which are a good tire. shell out for corsas if at all possible. I'd consider putting rubinos on a commuter or a beater so I could feel smug about it getting stolen but that's about all.

Why don't they make 26 Inch tires anymore? It is literally impossible to find any, at all.

>>2063848
No one buys them so the selection has shrank, but there is still a very wide selection at all price and quality levels

i know everyone hates gatorskins but its all i use, because i use my bike only for commuting and i really really dont want to have a flat happen when im trying to commute somewhere. if i was some weekend rider going on nice casual rides where time isnt a factor, then okay maybe i might get a gp4000 or something. ive had really good experiences with gatorskins with limited flats so i just stick with them, using my road bike with the rack bags attached to make sure i can get to my destination in a timely fashion

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>>2063636
aliexpress chaoyangs
they are more cheap than good, but decent enough to not tank the performance/price ratio, especially if she wants pretty

>>2063867
>trusting your girlfriend's physical integrity to aliexpress QC
breh

>>2063874
Continental tires, Chaoyang tires... All made in CHINA!
Honestly they are not that bad, I've had far worse knockoff tires from Ali. They are a bit wobbly, but the compound is not the usual slippery chink plastic shit, they are pretty grippy. Run them with tubes and I don't see how they can fail you any more than something like CSTs.

>>2063864
People hate them because their popularity has outlived their superiority, though internet consensus has now caught up and you see less virulent memeskin bashing. They were among the best of the best, in like 2007, when everyone was riding 700x23. These days if you just put wider tires even from a less "puncture resistant" model, you'll get fewer flats than memeskins at 120 PSI. And at any given width, Pirelli Cinturato Velo have better puncture protection and better grip.

>>2063864
only gripes i have with gatorskins;
>bad wet road grip
>stiffer uncomfortable ride

>>2063884
>All made in CHINA!

that's not true but ok

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>AIEEEE THIS MACHINE MADE WEAR PART WAS MADE BY A MACHINE IN DIFFERENT COUNTRY, SAVE ME TRUMP!!

Maybe you should have had real Courage and Gumption and started your own Tire Factory using 100% All-American Work.

>>2063874
Chaoyang does OEM work for Giant, THOUGH.
We used to mount a few, pretty solid except for the fact they measured like 6-7mm too wide lmao.

>>2063923
>Mike Rowe says days when people called hard work 'are gone'
That's because our society developed into giving high value to people who know how to take advantage of idiots

>>2063959
its also because our society developed into giving high value to the most worthless to society jobs that do nothing but make the company richer (ex. most white collar jobs, all tech jobs, etc)

>>2063636
https://www.bike24.com/p2810585.html

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Got Schwalbe G-One Overland 365 on my gravel commuter, work alright.

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first puncture on panaracer gravelking semi slick after 700-800km ish, would going tubeless have prevented this?

>>2064137
Tubeless wouldn't have prevented the puncture but the sealant would stop any more air from leaking (would because sometimes the sealant fails at this job, especially if dried out)