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Post DMUs.

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>>2052298
Anythings allowed but here

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Train Sim World 6 has been announced with the Rivera Line being the UK route

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https://www.theverge.com/news/766522/london-tfl-headphone-campaign-noisy-passengers

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>>2052423
you want >>2043128

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Who's also waiting for the new 2025 stock?
Hopefully the Bakerloo order gets put through before the option expires.

>>2052466
Nope 1972 stock is staying for another 10-20 years from what I read, and honestly that’s a good thing

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>>2052476
I'll be honest, I don't think they have another 10 years in them, never mind 20. They'll also need the to expand the Bakerloo fleet if the extension to Lewisham ever gets funded.

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>>2052306
Sexiest DMU ever.

>>2052509
>I don't think they have another 10 years in them, never mind 20
I think they do, especially when you look at 1938 stock. I don't really care about "modernisation" anyway, it's exciting to see how the new Piccadilly stock will be but there's something cosy and sentimental about 1972 stock

>>2052519
That's not an F40PH.

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>>2052519
>>2052533
Neither are DMUs

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Honestly goes hard, I remember hearing we have to wait until 2030 though.. Hopefully it either comes sooner or we what other competing companies have to offer until then

>>2052565
should've saved one of those...

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>>2052519
Why do I specifically find old British freight trains so aesthetically appealing? I'm way too young to have seen any like these IRL (and there's no post-Beeching rail infrastructure left in my area anyway), yet they're the only reason I got remotely interested in rail stuff.

>>2052565
I know. I was referring to>>2052306's pic.

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>>2052876
Yeah then the other guy mentioned F40s

>>2052843
>or we what
or we see what*

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Honestly happy with this refurb. I missed the purple and white once it was entirely replaced with that soulless silver and white so this makes up for it

>>2052289
>/n/ humour thread
“Privatised” rail transport in which 95% of the rail infrastructure is state owned, most of the rolling stock, and tickets are collected by the govt to be doled out to train operators.
UK’s trains haven't been privatised since WW1. Too many regulations. The used to require (before nationalisation) the trains to carry any cargo, even at a loss; price controls etc.
Simultaneously post WW2, loads of trained military logistics truck drivers were in surplus, easily undercutting cargo transport by road.

Government meddling has been a disaster for UK trains (and most of the rest of the UK).

>>2052843
>anyone investing the UK economy
Doubtful, unless recipients of backhand deals.

>>2053109
Ok
>>2053110
This is happening lol it's just a matter of when, it's not just about the UK economy

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Had to post this again
https://youtu.be/c2YffL6svA8?si=fivIF5kFKppEW0bB

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*blocks the aisle in your path
>Oh, proper sorry, mate. (heavy breathing). Didn’t realise I was colonisin’ the bloody aisle like it’s eighteen-fifty-seven or summin’.
(pathetic English mannerisms intensify). Go on, mate, carry on, mate.

>>2053337
>>2052435

>>2053351
hey man, making fun of Brits should be universally condoned in every thread

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>>2053430
Only posts I'm interested in are ones of trains

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class 385 my beloved

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still in bewilderment of the apparent dearth of headlight fixtures on old British locomotives
I can understand the justification but it's still an alien concept to me to drive at night without good sight of the tracks ahead

>>2052519
LONG LIVE BRITISH RAIL

>>2053591
Headlights spoil your night vision. I see two perfectly good marker lights and a big gtfo yellow front on the train in your pic.
Trains running in rural areas tend to have car level of illumination.

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>>2053678
You gotta stop putting this spin on it by saying "Headlights? Who needs them?" They did have headlights only they weren't anywhere near as powerful as modern LEDs hence the yellow fronts. Steam trains used only oil lamps 100 years prior

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>>2053683
that's not the best photo example because they only started installing headlight fixtures after eliminating headcode housings
prior to that locomotives often only had two tiny red markers and nothing else, sometimes a single white headlamp in the middle which again is a baffling custom

>>2052289
I much preferred the old trains in the Glasgow tube. Why did they even bother changing them.

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>>2053704

>>2053705
Find a better quality image

>>2053696
If you can show me some 1940s/1950s locomotives at night without proper headlights I'll believe you. Otherwise you're probably both wrong

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>>2053705
Better quality image of a better livery

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>>2053743
Woops although I like this one too meant to send this

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>>2053744
Also

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>>2053707
this is how they rode, only headcodes were illuminated
may or may not have tiny marker lights, nothing else

>>2053775
Well so they at least had actual headlights

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>>2053777
not to aid in seeing something in the dark in any capacity
it was not expected that the driver had to see the track ahead of him because all signals were illuminated, among some other reasons that do not convince me

>>2053779
Yeah well I genuinely thought for a second they'd have nothing besides the marker lights in the night but even if those headcodes aren't powerful enough by modern standards it doesn't seem to be the case. What can I say though safety standards were different and that must be why it became mandatory in the 1970s

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No greater aesthetic than early 20th century electrics

>>2053825
here's something for you then, 1910 short film of the met: https://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/collections/collections-online/film-video/item/2005-3467

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>>2054315
RIP

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Choo Choo.

>>2054363
Cursed

>>2054350
Literally the same PEP except for coach formation. Kind of like how the 507/508 were (meant) to be until they decided couple them to 455/7s. Hadn't they done that the /7s would've been the DC equivalent to 318s

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What's the consensus on 334s? I always assumed they were fine but recently read there were reliability issues when they were introduced

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>>2054396
One of the driving trailers on 314203 was taken from a 507 after it was destroyed in the Newton crash in 1991

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>>2054406
(normal 314 interior for comparison)

>>2054406
So they removed the shoegear?

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I'm not super paranoid about foreign investment to the point I feel the countries being "taken over" but thoughts on DB operating trains here? They can't "own the railways" like some people like to wrongly suggest but although it used to bother me I kinda like seeing DB red with the yellow fronts

>>2053970
On its way to Dartford where I grew up

>>2054521

I went out with a girl from Temple Hill once. Total slag.

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class 86

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xifD2J-bikE

>>2054862
Cursed

>>2054935
Nah the yellow front with DB red might be neato but I'd be interested to see more stuff like this

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You guys suck

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At least there isn't that stupid ass restriction on image quality anymore anyway

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>>2054395
Double cursed

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>>2055593
And now for a palette cleanser in the form of this photo of a Pacer enjoying the majestic Canadian Rockies

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>>2055593
Here's a version that actually isn't cursed

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>>2052298
Here is a Sprinter. Or maybe a Pacer. Not sure of the correct name.

>>2052335
The Golden Arrow to Dover.

>>2056030
Not really for this thread

>>2056061
That's a pair of coupled Pacers. Shitboxes on tracks they were, that leaked and steamed up utterly in rain, bounced horribly on any track imperfections, and screeched like banshees on any curve. Good riddance.
Also they were always packed around me, as they had so much less capacity than every other train type in service at the time.

>>2055594
It somehow reminds me of that picture about bears being able to appreciate natural beauty

>>2056317
inb4
>saved muh branch lines
Pacers weren't that much cheaper than Sprinters and the maintenance costs in the long term were nearly the same. BR should've canned the Pacer project and kept on running Class 101's, gradually replacing them over time with Sprinters as the budget allowed.

The fact that Pacers and Sprinters have stuck around as long as they have is the most glaring sign that the government doesn't give a fuck about anything north of Watford

>>2056346
Even with the reputation Pacers had I haven't heard any complaints about Sprinters

>>2052203
look at the height of that tunnel
how did this locomotive not get voltage to its roof going under that overpass

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>>2056360
The Harton Electric Railway had low voltage (550V DC) so low clearances needed. Seems like the North East was a hotspot for electric railways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kom4AaeLnlc

Now you can get insulation coatings that allow you to drop clearance requirements by a lot. In the Great Western Electrification Programme they managed to save £39m by doing this under a bridge in Cardiff compared to raising the bridge above the railway. Clearance is now 20mm to the bridge and 70mm to the train roof, whereas it would be 370mm normally.
>https://www.modernrailways.com/article/gwep-home-straight
>https://epc.ac.uk/article/case-study-affordable-railway-electrification/

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Get in

>>2056527
thank you I also think the photo angle might be playing tricks on me and the locomotive is significantly lower than the coal car

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>>2056581
My 2p but I prefer the silver/grey livery. This setup seems pretty wasteful, a combination of the worst aspects of DMU + Loco-hauled stock.

>Loco+stock - slow acceleration, no redundancy
>DMU - no flexibility, fixed sets.

One way they could make it better is to have a battery and powered bogie on the DT acting as a regen brake and booster to get near line speed.

In an ideal world, the Chiltern Mainline is electrified and uses EMUs instead.

>>2056758
>silver/grey livery
Hell no, Chiltern Railways peaked with the purple/white livery, I always thought that one was soulless but this new paint scheme is closer to the former.
I don't really have any complaints about anything to do with the rolling stock or the mainline itself anyway. Yeah electrification would be great but I appreciate it for what it is, I have a soft spot for diesel

>>2056758
>>2056892
As I say that I wasn't really thinking about the 67/68s and MK3s as much as I was the 165/168s. The silver/grey livery looks alright but it's mainly the silver/white livery I wasn't crazy about

>>2055594
Why would someone do this? Why would a BR Pacer be shipped to Vancouver and if so, why the special carriage instead of just towing them?

Turned out this is well known. It was for a transport expo in Vancouver and it needed more fittings to be of Canadian rail standards. BR didn't sell any Pacers there and it was shipped back after a couple of years. Still I enjoyed riding on Pacers in my childhood.

https://youtu.be/-S84kngX2sc

why is painting the ends of locomotives yellow no longer compulsory? someone give me a rundown

>>2057405
the rules are now "yellow end unless lights are sufficiently powerful"

>>2054524
Paddington to Man Picc!? Good. Fuck Euston.

>>2057418
When I've used Euston in the past most of my time was spent in the bar with friends whether arriving or leaving London. The best way to experience a railway station is with a pint in your hand.

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>>2057410
thank you, that makes sense

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Woodhead my beloved

>>2058983
What's that round thing on the windshield? I've seen that on lots of trains from that era and often wondered

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>>2059027
it's a "clear view screen", a type of rotating windshield wiper most often used in ships
The wiper has an electric motor and spins so fast you have a clear view through the porthole even in torrential rain
not very popular in rail transport but it has been used on occasion

>>2059041
Neat.

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>>2058983
*cries in 1500V DC*

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I don't know how to feel about this. I found it incredibly strange at first that they converted the seating arrangement to longitudinal and it certainly isn't a "metro" train just for that (Lagos already has a metro) but rather a commuter train it seems. I guess I find it less strange considering the number of high speed locomotives that are bought 2nd hand for commuter services particularly in America. Please excuse this awful filter despite better options it's the only image I could use

>>2052289

>>2059201
What are you doing, at least post an image

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>>2059227
Like this

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>>2059062
25kV AC is the future. 1500V DC is only suitable for light rail and metro systems. It needs too much current for anything with a high power draw, uses lots of copper and causes high losses. Juicing up the system to compensate becomes way more expensive than just increasing the voltage.

Even NS (Dutch rail) are looking at changing their entire network to 3kV DC to reduce their horrendous power draw and losses.

Pic related on 25kV will draw ~200 Amps per loco at full power (4.6 MW). On 1500V DC that becomes ~3,100 Amps.

>>2060007
What's the benefit of this over just a diesel electric like what they use in the states? How much infrastructure change would we need to implement this?

>>2060007
I don't think the point is whether or not that is the future more than it is the fact the line was closed down

>>2060015
Power. An electric locomotive can be 2-3x as powerful as the diesel-electric equivalent. On hills it can be the difference between topping the climb at 20mph with a diesel vs 60mph+ on electric.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paz35i25L2o&list=TLPQMzAxMTIwMjVmE5PKitACHA&index=4

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. They're more efficient, don't produce emissions, and can regenerate energy that would otherwise be lost in braking resistors as heat.
In the UK if the DfT can stop being incompetent and have a coherent plan to electrify it wouldn't take much effort.

In the US, you have class 1 RRs beholden to investors who want short-term returns. High capital-cost projects like electrification directly go against that aim. Add in all the other aspects that would need changing (clearances for 2x stack, loco run-through, etc), and it's a non-starter unless there's another oil crisis or the Fed/CA govt decide to step in.

>>2060018
And a big part of why it was closed down instead of the Hope Valley line was the non-standard line voltage. 1500V DC was on its way out in the UK, and it was far easier to justify closing Woodhead than spending more money on changing the voltage.

>>2060037
Dude just post an image or something
>>2060027
Don't different voltages generally co-exist?

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>>2060054
Combos of AC & DC and different AC frequencies do not mix and need special equipment to isolate them from each other. Thameslink has 750V DC/ 25kV AC voltage switchover points at Farringdon and City Thameslink, which happens multiple times daily with no issues.

However, dual voltage rolling stock was more complicated to produce and less reliable in the past than now. Not sure BR would want to spend lots of money on niche rolling stock to avoid changing equipment specifications. Especially as line-side renewal was needed and conversion would be at its easiest during the renewal process. After the line was cut back to end at Hadfield and Glossop, the old gantries were used with the new 25kV AC equipment so it could be done. The cost of doing it the whole way would have been well beyond BR's budget.

Higher/lower voltages (e.g. 1.5kV & 3kV DC) can mix but only if the supply is lower than the train's rated voltage. It's probably better not to do this for very long or at a high power draw to avoid damage.

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>>2060027
>if the DfT can stop being incompetent and have a coherent plan
Welp, that's the end of that idea then.

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You guys are lame for not posting actual images

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>>2053704
The old trains are classic but the new ones are better imo.
Also, it's an interesting railway, the only 4ft gauge in the UK

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>>2060076
i remember when they were first introduced the blue trains were smth retarded like 6.25kV next to 25kV AC because we couldn't really do 25kV that well back then (1959)
>>2061708
i actually prefer the newer ones, because they shoogle \more/ than the old ones as a result of the upgraded ATO raising the average speed. makes for quite a fun experience when you are sat next to some fat mother of twenty from a govan tenement

There was a train crash in Mexico and for a brief moment I was worried that those dumb spics had ruined another Class 43 after having already ruined one this year by driving into a lorry that tried to cheat a level crossing, thankfully it was just one of the ex-burger locomotives that they've ruined instead by taking a curve too fast and going over a cliff.

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>>2061708
>>2061756
Went on the subway earlier and noticed that there's now platform screen doors at Govan

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This thread is for images of trains only not blog posts

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>>2062296
I wonder if the Underground will get them. It does rely on having standard door spacing so would need to happen after the 2024 stock has a full fleet.

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>>2063267
Sweet, they ought to get her certified.

>>2064229
It wouldn't be able to run in the UK. It's Cape Gauge, and it would cost a small fortune to build a railway for it or convert it to Standard Gauge.

Plus it has a huge grate and is probably equivalent to 2x UK 4-6-0s or Pacifics in terms of coal burn.

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missed opportunity?

this is probably more fascinating than the pacifics Bulleid built, perhaps chain driver valve gear wasn't a bad idea

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>>2064923
>Chain driven valve gear
Horrendous
>Caprotti
Sexo

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>>2064966
>caprotti
absolute nothing burger of a valve gear, hardly used