>>2062622
If I wanted a gaspipe frame I'd get one used instead of paying some fagtron 2k for it.

That said, I am very happy with my non-steel frames.

Yeah, I got a nice carbon fiber endurance bike with 32mm toobless and hydraulic dick breaks so I don't need to do grip strength training all winter to be able to break from the hoods. It also has aero wheels for less suffering when going against a strong headwind on the way to work. The whole thing cost about as much as that hipster frame too. But if you want to show off how much you spent to go slow, knock yourself out (not literally of course because you're wearing a helmet, right?)

>>2062623
>>2062624
>aluminium and carbon is so stiff that doing centuries is a job instead of pleasure

you are missing out on life

>>2062625
And yet carbon fiber is far more comfortable and compliant than steel, so how's that going to work if carbon is "stiff" to you?

>>2062625
All the centuries I rode on my carbon bike were a pleasure.
I also did one on a steelie and it was no better (or worse, for that matter).

>>2062627
>>2062628
>>2062629
look at this smelly cope, almost instant too

>>2062631
Post bike and last century ride

>>2062632
>oh yeah? prove it you fuck you piece of shit *incomprehensible seething*
nah I simply said you are missing out and you started to lash out

>>2062631
lmfao they have to justify their need to be the fastest and coolest fred possible, even if it means sacrificing comfort.

A bicycle is a toy, never forget that.

>>2062622
Yes, I am old, have racked up alot of injuries and I have come to realise it doesn't matter what kind of bike you're on, what matters os THAT you're on a bike. That makes you many times faster than a pedestrian. On a TT bike you'll be only a fraction of that faster again.
Also the older I get the faster I was so no need to show anyone I can tell the stories.

>>2062634
If you cared about comfort you'd learn how bikes work and buy accordingly. Instead your thought process went like this:
>I don't want to be embarrassed by people who care about bikes
>people who care about bikes seem to have carbon fiber
>therefore I should get something that looks the opposite, oh i know! Steel!
>oh no someone will think I'm poor!
>oh thank god, here's someone who will sell me a steel bike for $5000, then everyone will know I'm not poor!
Which unintentionally was just about the most embarrassing thing you could have done but it's ok, it's not the bike it's the engine ;^)

Steel clunkers for comfort is the frame equivalent of insisting on having big ass knobby tires on your front suspension hybrid because "what about hydroplaning", it sounds like it makes total sense if you're unafraid to let your ignorance get in the way of learning, and therefore bike salesmen have learned to stop arguing and just give the customer what he wants

>>2062643
didn't read lol, you sound gay

>>2062648
I take it back
this >>2062644
sounds even gayer

>>2062648
>>2062650
concession accepted

>>2062643
>>therefore I should get something that looks the opposite, oh i know! Steel!
nah man I can tell you never owned a proper steel bike

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>>2062655
>charts don't tell the whole story, we can tell you from experience that tru temper is more liquid and more danceable than reynolds or columbus, the sound stage is more airy, more PRAT
uh huh. ever notice how no one ever says "PROPER aluminum bike" or "PROPER titanium bike" or "PROPER carbon bike"? the goalposts never quit moving.

>>2062657
you faggots try hi-ten that's not proper, but hey at least it won't shatter like glass lmfao carbon losers

>>2062657
also there is no such thing as proper carbon bike it's garbage lmfao

>>2062663
it's the same thing, you can't even squeeze tires wider than 25s if you're lucky so your bone-shattering frame gets to ride on 120psi boneshaker tires. you're riding a modern reproduction of an antique bike, there is nothing wrong with liking antiques but you're getting laughed at and mocked for thinking "shitty and uncomfortable = better" let alone that it can somehow hold a candle to modernity when it comes to ergonomics and comfort

>>2062623
>gaspipe frame
>>2062665
>you can't even squeeze tires wider than 25s

Rivendells are overpriced and kind of a joke, but these claims are factually incorrect.
this bike (and pretty sure every riv) is cromoly steel, and it fits 43mm tires.
they're good bikes if you enjoy throwing money out the window

>>2062631
>reality means nothing to me
K. I own steel, aluminum, and carbon bikes because I'm not mentally ill. Do you even ride? I can't imagine an actual cyclist making threads like these.

>>2062622
That geo is dogshit zero aero he cannot even go fast.

>>2062667
Still have to do a reacharound to shift gears and you can't really brake from the hoods with any effectiveness (of course, shifting is elitist and I'm a faggot pussy who should htfu if I don't have yao ming hands). They can't even stick with one story, everything is about finding a strawman to help them cope with what they deliberately made worse

>>2062667
don't have to be a riv any classic steel bike would do as long as it's not some china mystery steel garbage from bike direct.

>>2062672
no you don't you came here to be a fred

>>2062684
You cannot expect "any classic steel bike" to fit whatever arbitrary rene herse meme tire of the week you chose into the frame without going out of your way to measure it first, and I guarantee 97% of them will not fit anything larger than a "cayuse pass" if that. Sure maybe if you pay the hipster tax and get a NOS 1992 stumpjumper hardtail but certainly not anything that would have passed for a road bike in its era

>>2062687
>You cannot expect "any classic steel bike" to fit whatever arbitrary rene herse meme tire of the week

that sounds like a (You) problem

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>>2062688
On the contrary, I don't have a problem with size because I spec my build to fit my use case and not as a "gotcha" to win fights with the mean jerk freds who live in my head and yell at me about how fast I'm not going

>>2062686
Cycling clearly makes you miserable.

>>2062689
>>2062693
>some racer freds came here to shit on steel which is the most comfortable material to ride on right from the start instead of having a normal conversation
>claims I'm miserable
lol holy projections, is it that easy to upset weekend warriors?

>>2062667
Gaspipe hiten steel is peak
>cheap
>manufactured/repaired easily
>less brittle than exotic steel
>more durable than carbon plastic garbage and playdough metal aluminum
>exotic steel is only marginally better for 5x the cost
prove me wrong

>>2062695
problem with hi-ten is that due to weight and thickness of tubes it rides like shit, very similar to aluminium but without the weight savings. A chromo bike is a tuning fork, all vibrations are dampened in a pleasant manner due to thin tubing. Carbon sleds are a solid unit and as long as there micro vibrations it's fine but the moment you hit a small pothole it shakes your skeleton to oblivion. Quality steel bike is so fucking smooth it's unreal. I had a bad time this summer on a fatter 40 hard tail aluminium hybrid than on a 25 chromo steel bike while doing centuries. I'm going back completely convinced steel is real.

>>2062694
It's ok to have preferences even if you're wrong about why you prefer a thing, but you should still expect people to correct your numerous misconceptions about the material world

>>2062696
Wrong, the extra mass in steel as well as its atomic properties has significantly higher inherent damping ability and lower resonant vibration than aluminum. The weight and thickness is a feature, not a bug. What is lost is the spring like effect of exotic steel but some could say this is also a feature not a bug as this makes hiten inherently more stable than thin exotic steel.

>>2062698
Go be "correct" somewhere else lmao, everyone knows you are a clown with no argument. You have no fucking idea what this thread is even about.

>>2062700
Yes "everyone". This may be hard for you to accept but the voices in your head are not, in fact, real people. A good way to tell is when you perceive a large number of different voices as having the same opinion, at the same level of strength as one another. That isn't a trait seen in actual groups of people.

>>2062699
What a massive retard you are holy shit. The lighter the steel the quicker it adapts to vibrations and imperfections. Learn basic physics.

>>2062702
>calling others a retard when they don't even know about mass damping

>>2062699
also what you just decribed is what makes it worse, the fact that the dampening is harsh and dare I say "stiff" literally fucking reworded what I said about hi-ten, it's stiffer but also heavier. At this point use aluminium instead, stop being poor.

>>2062703
in order to move something heavier you need more force thus the thing you literally riding on will feel like a rock instead of a spring, there even your mongoloid brain can comprehend now

>>2062704
>doesn't realize the bicycle is a tuned mass damper because the tires are pneumatic springs and the weight bias makes the springs move at different rates and higher mass allows greater damping ability after tuning the 'springs'
you can continue being retarded holding onto old ideas and being a paypig for boutique hipster brands or you can experience the bleeding edge of comfy with a modern hiten 27.5 rigid for the cost of nothing

>>2062705
not if you tune your tires as if they were tuned mass dampers

>>2062706
your pseudoscience talk fools no one, you are low iq mong. In order to benefit from heavy steel you have to be heavy yourself and hit very large potholes. Maybe that's why you like hi-ten so much because you are dumb and fat.

>>2062708
You're just too low iq to understand how to maximize harmonic resonance in your cycling

>>2062707
tires make the biggest difference sure but the combination of light steel and thick tires is what creates maximum comfort. Grant would be proud you understand his design decisions.

>>2062709
don't forget your rockwell retro encabulator on the way out retard

>>2062623
>bro it doesn't have a sticker on you can buy for 50cents

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They did a blind test on this a few decades back. In the saddle, weight is the only difference between the different steel tubings, that the rider will notice. So you're basically paying $4500 extra to save muh grams and to flex on poors.

And yet per the official forum lore, the guy on the $1500 carbon road bike with 55psi tires is an uncomfortable performance-obsessed status fred, and the guy on the $5000 italian weeaboo meme steel antique with 190psi medieval torture device tires is practical and just-smell-the-roses

Post purchase rationalization is a hell of a drug.

the thread that buck broke garbon mental cases

everyone in this thread has never actually ridden a bike, and people with these ridiculous solid steel frame shifter intentionally dogshit brake monstrosities never ride outside of a perfectly smooth dedicated track

the real world has potholes and gravel and curbs and tree roots and children running into the road and snow and shit in it, get a bike with a suspension and actual shifters/brakes, maybe a seat that isn't a razor blade while you're at it. and move away from california, the sun is cooking your brain

>>2062743
I am pretty sure if you re-read the post you'll see you're doing a friendly fire but nonetheless your seething nourishes me in ways agreement never can, ty for that

imagine being so mad that even a mention of steel being comfy sends you into a schizophrenic frenzy. If it don't hurt you ain't riding hard and fast enough amiright? literally self inflicted humiliation ritual that costs money.

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>>2062759
>being soft and poor

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>>2062826
>>2062835
>your cycling style

>>2062624
>gets dropped by Neal adams

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this bike (Carbonda CFR696) has very similar geometry to the roadini

>>2062940
Too bad about the cable dicks. I can't believe I'm saying this but I'd rather have the roadini

>>2062940
>go on a cyclotourism adventure
>bump your fork when walking your bike in a thick brush
>hear a loud *crack*

lmao

>>2062942
That doesn't happen, retard. If you want a realistic greentext fantasy, there actually is a user-induced carbon fork failure mode that causes real life crashes and is something to be concerned about, but it goes more like
>fucked up your headset due to neglect and poor maintenance habits
>100,000,000 turns left and right eventually carves a ring of death into the steerer
>slam front wheel into a pothole
>steerer snaps and you crash and die
You're welcome, feel free to shitpost about this in the future so we can have a more entertaining shit-flinging contest. It's no fun to argue with the poorly informed.

>>2062943
>>2062944
I master baited you because it's true you coping fucks.

>>2062957
>the only argument this parrot has is poor poor poor
this is what knowing you are wrong looks like, make a decent argument, tip: you can't.

>>2062944
overloading a stiff yet brittle to impact material with weight (front panniers) is generally a bad idea, stop pretending it isn't.

>>2062940
>>2062958
that fact that this fred sled has cargo mount on plastic fork is beyond hilarious.

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>>2062958
>>2062959
>repeated high stress on carbon materials you say?
he approves.

>>2062940
i too mount my cargo on my front fork instead of over the rear wheel because I am a retard

>>2062970
Both positions have pros and cons

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>>2062970
yes you are a retard

>>2062979
>INSTEAD OF
that man ran out of space on the back, so he used the front. the bike in >>2062940 does not have a rear rack at all.

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>>2063016
retard

>>2063020
>frame bag
>handlebar bag that isn't a front basket
This is Advanced And Therefore Verboten Technique currently banned by the protestant church for not being in the bible (SAE manual) for using incredibly satanic techniques such as "ribbons" and "knots", please delete this image. The mere presence of a pannier rack that doesn't interfere with the mechanics of the bike is already a crime, the rest is overtly Satanic.

Why are bike packers either annoying retrodouche guys who can't shut up about their minimalist bikesdirect BSO with garbage friction microshit gruppos and ali express chains (have to carry six of them so they don't get stranded), or consoom 'grammers with rotor hydraulic drivetrains and carefully mismatched "not for cyclist" cycling outfits and $1600 worth of designer bikepack bags stuffed with newspapers that don't even fit the bike correctly but look at this cool knot I used to tie it down with a quecha-inspired sarong (affiliate link below)

>>2063086
because social media algorithms are about rage baiting you and it works

>>2063086
because if you have enough free time to bike pack youre either rich or umemployed

>>2062940
But is it as comfy?

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wow these people really seems to just enjoy themselves, is such hatred even warranted?

>>2063257
>silver spoon immigant who moved to san fran and became the most insufferable san fran person possible
yes

>>2062644
>the frame equivalent of insisting on having big ass knobby tires on your front suspension hybrid because "what about hydroplaning"
i have never heard this. i thought big ass knobby tires were for gravel/dirt paths and snow because the main market for these things is poverty commuters who wanna cut through parks and not instantly die when they have to ride over freshly spread rock salt

>>2063260
>I thought
It doesn't seem like you did, though.

>>2063263
find me one person talking about hydroplaning on a fucking bike

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>>2063264
The discussion is as old as time.

But more to the point, broke people aren't walking into bike shops with an amex to argue ideal commuter bike specs with the sales guy, they're buying something used on craigslist with a wrinkled wad of $1 bills

>>2063265
>"its as old as time man EVERYOINE believes bikes hydroplane!!"

>posts article explicitly saying they cannot

ok i'll believe you but only because i know that retarded californians exist. but still, i would wager they would get ridiculous 3mm wide wheels because it le cuts le puddle rather than that people shopping at Cambodian Tire intentionally get knobby tires because they think their 12 year old child is going fast enough to skim over the local lake

>>2063257
grant has been causing enormous amounts of seethe and asshurt since before most people posting here were born. it's part of the collective unconscious now, a force of nature. when grant/riv does a thing, seethe follows

>>2063321
Man you're really not that smart are you. The article is showing that the annoying hydroplaning guy has been walking into bike shops since time immemorial. Why would sheldon dedicated an entire page of his website to this topic otherwise? He doesn't have a section dedicated to people who think fenders can make you fly from flapping in the wind, because there are no such people. But there are people who think you need sipes to avoid hydroplaning, hence why he made an issue out of it before you were born.

>>2063344
>Why would sheldon dedicated an entire page of his website to this topic otherwise?
>why would a blogger dedicate an ENTIRE PAGE!!!! to something that annoyed him once that will drive engagement when complained about because everyone will email him "so true bestie" from their .edu email account??
idk

>>2063353
AOL CDs were a mistake

>be normie racer wannabe literal faggot
>constantly bitch and moan that people not following your homosexual trends are either poor or hipsters
>make it your personal mission to attack people having fun with bikes

many such cases, nothing wrong with enjoying a nice steel bike with slack geometry you know. I used to ride a fred sled, it's just a chore really but I won't attack you for making threads about it.

>>2063369
The whole "racers vs unracers" thing was started by grant, stupid zoomie. It's lifestyle marketing, targeting people who are scared to look like they care about cycling like some tryhard fred, but also scared to look like they're poor like some broke loser who can't afford something expensive. By manufacturing a narrative of "judgmental racers" he solves two problems at once while making you feel clever for having not fallen for marketing.

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>literally no one:
>grant: attention! you, yes YOU are an asshole, an ASSHOLE unless you like what I like and hate what I hate, and I like (autistic list of requirements), why are you enjoying that if it isn't what I like??? fuck you, asshole! you're RUINING cycling!
>a bunch of people who don't like bikes: wow, he's just like me!!!!! take my money grant!!!! finally someone who speaks for the rest of us!!!

>>2063378
>>2063385
once again just calmly state the obvious and get attacked again, many such cases

literally the first 2 posts are direct attacks on the thread for no reason or provocation and when you proceed to call them out they cry out in pain as they strike you. Most chill people on steel bikes half the time don't even know anything about homosexual bike trends, they simply ride bikes and rejoice when people like them exist (the non homosexual spandex type) On the other hand any queer racer wannabe must absolutely make sure everyone conforms and understands his pozzed life style and constantly belittle anyone for no reason.

>>2063394
the genius of grant's schtick is that it creates a perfect cover of plausible deniability. toss a bomb into a polite conversation about bikes, passive-aggressive insults about carbon speed demons who are way too serious and don't know how to have a good time like you do, and then when your toxic behavior is called out, you go "oh, I don't know anything about this culture war stuff I'm apolitical haha I just wanna ride" and then you slip back among your john-q-public "not-a-cyclist" identity. then when things quiet down again you start sniping at everyone else from behind your $4000 steel frame and then like clockwork, play the victim when people hit back. literally how girls fight. or jack doherty.

>>2063396
the fuck you smoking? this thread didn't even start mentioning anything about "carbon bad" like at all. Projection much homospandex?

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>be a sensible down to earth person
>pick a nice bike you can rely on no matter what and take it anywhere you want, park it anywhere and fix it easily with time proven common tools
>while at it make it as useful and as comfortable as possible with racks and good components
>you yourself also dress as comfortable as possible
>have a nice time and wish others to try this setup
1 femtosecond later
>some random homosexual in a body condom on a plastic bike behind you

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>have a hobby you care about
>enjoy it for 20+ hours a week
>wear comfortable clothes and have a nice bike that's fun to ride
>meanwhile unbeknownst to you
>deeply closted man in an unhappy beard marriage sees you
>the sight of your toned thighs and ass triggers powerful homosexual feelings
>enraged, he goes home and beats his meat furiously while thinking about body condoms and spandex
>he then goes to bicycle-related internet communities to complain about the gay cyclists trying to make him gay

You don't have to live with this bro. It is ok to have these feelings. Some guys are just very good looking. Me, for instance.

homo here, i only ride clapped out bso tier mountain bikes (they go with the janky pseudo-punk diy aura i am trying to cultivate) and i only clap out similarly rugged men (and occasional early model roombas), prancing la-la spandex "fags" are for women and trannies

why are americans like this

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>>2063407
dude those people are fucked once they reach late 30s if that's normal and fun, you should get your head checked maybe it's late stage syphilis from all those coffee shop cock sucking sessions before the last crit with homies to the bike shop where you have an orgy in the back rooms

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>>2063413
>exercise will kill you, because... it just will, ok?

>>2063411
american here, i spent too much time watching cartoon characters be rolled flat whilst touching my pee pee and huffing lead fumes, it's called FREEDOM maybe youve heard of it

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>>2063414
>strava whore thinks doing 100k laps on weekend is exercise

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>Well you know I moved here because uh... I moved here because, you know well I had to leave 1980s Japan, but I picked the Bay Area because uh.. because I always had a thing for boom towns with more money than sense you know? And when I got here I was like a kid in a candy store. If you got connections, no buchō, nothing to do... I started a shop, it got wild. I was selling road bikes every day. Always different ones Italian ones, French ones, British ones. Sometimes multiple road bikes a day I- I was out of control, I became insatiable, and uh... you know after about a thousand nights like that you start to lose it.

>I started to wonder where am I going with this? Why do I feel this need to sell all these road bikes to weekend warriors? What is desire? The form of these skinnyfat guys on bikes: why does it have such a grip on me? Because it's the opposite of me? Is it going to complete me in some way? I realized that I could sell a million racing bikes I'd still never be satisfied. Maybe, maybe what I really want is to be one of these rubes who can barely work a derailleur. You know? No really. So... one night I took home a bike, turned out to be a step-thru which I'd done before but this time instead of selling to a Dev Ops guy, I rode it. And it was kind of magical and I got in my head what I really wanted was to be one of these tech bros getting fucked by me and to feel that.

>So I put out an ad looking for a white guy my age to come over and buy my lady's bike and that guy looked a lot like me. Then I put on jeans and a hoodie, made myself... look like one of these retards.... I thought I looked pretty dumb. And then this clown came over and paid me $5000, then I got addicted to that, some days three, four guys would come over and buy them at $5000 each. Some I even got on a waitlist, and at the same time I'd just quit working... just sit and watch the whole thing. I'd look in his eyes while taking his credit card and think.. 'I am him and I'm fucking me'

>>2063419
mucho texto, you don't even know how to meme retard

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>>2063422
Pearls before swine. Here's something more on your level.

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>>2063419
pretty good, but Grant was designing these bikes when he was still at Bridgestone

>>2063456
stop samefaggin

>>2063456
what is it with that backwards saddle tilt?

>>2063459
That is not me though

>>2063483
The point of brooks saddles is they have no "correct" position therefore they have no "incorrect" position either, they're shit no matter how you set it up

>>2063483
Reduces wrist strain.

>>2063456
>"designing"
what exactly did he design? thos eare all other OEMs parts bolted onto a completely standard frame

>>2063483
ignore the other fucktard, brooks saddles act like a hammock and they sag a bit when weight is applied to it, more in the rear than the front, so in order to stop you sliding forwards (and putting excess strain on your forearms n wrists) the nose has to be put a put higher than regular saddles.

>>2063576
I had a bridgestone (purchased new) during the grant era, it was legitimately an excellent bike for its time, a pleasure to ride, and I have great memories of it. still would be a fine bike today. but we have better technology now. objectively better. and anyone who pays $5000 for a clone of one is a sucker and should be mocked relentlessly until they habitually say "rent free" any time you describe the actions of a stupid person even in the most abstract terms

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>>2063576
he designed the frame genius

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>>2063580
>>2063582
>completely standard frame
it's the same bike frame every manufacturer had been making for a hundred or more years. there is nothing notable about it.

>>2063616
It's not standard it's a road frame with 26"mtb wheels

>>2063635
>I took a standard design and slightly changed the size of a fundamentally replaceable part, i am an INVENTOR now!!
t. ALLEGED contributor to human progress

>>2063642
it was designed around comfort/utility while still being modern for the time. Surly does the same shit and yet no one hates on them for it.

>>2062622
>>2062623
Steal is deal, nigga.

>>2062622
ok, calm down everyone. We have retards who expend >10K in carbs and ali frames for dick measure. And we have retards that a $100 old rusted "steel is real" bike will make you feel good without giving your tetanus.

Just buy a cheap escooter and out pace both of them.

Facts!

>>2063483
you put the tip inside your butthole to absorb the vibrations.

>>2064107
Because Surly doesn't run around calling people assholes and morons for not riding a Surly. And then there's the price for what you get. Surly = SKX007 for the price of a SKX007
Rivendell = SRP777 for the price of a SBGH289 (while calling you an asshole and a moron for preferring an AQ4100)

>>2064565
>run around calling people assholes
the fuck you on about? oh wait you mean that troll book Grant wrote? lmfao he master baited freds good eh? Funny how things that tend to be true bring the most seethe out of fake people, that book is literally jokes and simple observations about cycling industry (which is very faggy indeed for the last like 20 years or so)

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>>2064566
See what I mean? Surly fans don't do this. Rivendell fans do. All the while hiding behind a fake persona of simple workaday pragmatism (has he EVER sold a bike for $700?).

If you're going to bitch about elitist poseur dickheads who overspend based on a slick talking sales pitch, apply that logic to yourself first.

That is why people hate Rivendell and not Surly.

>>2064568
what does some arbitrary price even have to do with insulting people? Make your own shit bike from old frames, if price is the issue. I would never buy a riv because I can still find excellent condition colnagos for half price and get a better bike, that said even with inflation riv bikes are far better deal than garbage disposable fred sleds.No one complaints about ridiculous prices when some GCN brit shows off a "super bike" of the month that looks like a single use item but everyone loses their minds when a riv is posted.

>>2064571
Can you show me where people gush over superbikes here? I don't see it. I do see a lot of rivbike discussions though, and it's always the same: "I'm so much better than you because I spent $5000 on this boat anchor instead of $5000 on something lightweight and comfortable that has brakes that work even if you don't do forearm grip strength workouts all day"

Also I am at a loss to understand how a 1991 colnago is going to be anything less than a medieval torture device next to any 2026 endurance bike from any brand, it's really weird that you identify so strongly with the rivendell brand considering that his reactionary screeching is more about the kinds of race bikes people sold in 1991, comfort and ergonomics are a permanently solved problem now and have been at the entry level consumer price point for at least a decade and you're acting like it costs 20 grand rather than reality where at worst it's a thousand or two less than your slowpoke jesus is selling his uncomfortable boat anchors for.

>>2064572
>instead of $5000 on something lightweight and comfortable that has brakes that work even if you don't do forearm grip strength workouts all day
ok, you can stop posting now

>>2064575
If you deny that hydraulic dick brakes are a total game changer in terms of no-compromise ergonomics you're just telling me you've not used a wide variety of bikes especially not hydro dick vs legacy brakes, grant is revealing that he's a fair weather cyclist with giant strong man hands which is pretty obvious when you look at him but for all his crying about elitist exclusive fred bikes he sure seems oblivious to the concept of people with smaller hands, shorter fingers, or colder climates

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>I can't see the advantage to brakes that are easier to use and work in all conditions, unless it's to shave grams
Can't even make this shit up. Just look at this guy, he lives in 70 degree sunshine 365 days a year, he's probably never even seen a hail pellet in his life let alone gotten numb hands while riding. No wonder he thinks braking on a cold wet day is "extreme riding".

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>>2064107
surly is based tho

>>2064568
californians have been a disaster to the human race

>>2064568
>in all seasons
100% guarantee whoever wrote this lives in a city that has never even thought of a snow plow

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>>2064597
He lives in Walnut Creek, CA, where it looks like this in January. It's even mild climate by California standards because it's nestled in a shallow valley just a few miles inland.

>>2064601
meanwhile my commute home today at 6 was -14 weather and my brakes didn't work for the flat ground until I got to a hill to warm them up. a few weeks ago my rear derailleur literally froze solid. a month and a half before that I had such bad braking performance because of rain that I had to get off and buy a drink at a bar just to ask them for paper towels to scrub the road crud out of the rim and shoes (still barely worked but was an instant performance boost)

remember that whenever you hear anything about "real" cycling it's probably from one of those fuckwits who lives in CA (or (ugh) BC) who has never once experienced inclement weather

in fact, one time I was in BC for a course, and bought a shitty craigslist beater just to get around, hoping to sell it at the end or at least abandon it and only be out a couple hundred bucks. it snowed ONCE and the city fucking shut down. I was proudly biking around, and these white fucks were flashing their highs at me and the locals from the course wondered how I didn't die. It was literally less than 2mm and melted by morning.

"so unfathomably awful it is legal in the state of California" remains the most powerful insult on earth

>>2064577
actual realpost how are hydraulic brakes in cold weather? I've heard they need a lot of maintenance bleeding them regularly and refilling them and shit, on top of all that I'd worry that it would gel up like diesel fuel or something once it hits -5

>>2064605
There are many things I like about California but there are also many things I dislike. The insane levels of faux humility, socially weaponized casualness, regular-guy non-judgmental-judgment is what irritates me the most. Multimillionaires in $120k cars and $700 hoodies who judge you for ironing your shirt because "relax, maaan, we don't wear fancy clothes here", who will accuse you of putting on airs and being a wine snob if you drink a $30 Crozes-Hermitage and then turn around and casually open a $150 Howell Mountain cab like it's a $10 Côtes du Rhône. And it's either that kind of insufferable dickhead shit or toothless inbred MAGA retards who will probably kill and eat you if you're left alone with them, and there's no in between. California minus the people would be great though, absolutely gorgeous state.

>>2064607
I can only speak to Shimano since that's what I ride most, and I can only speak to the Northeast US climate since that's where I ride most, but minus 5 centigrade is no problem, I don't know about minus 5 fahrenheit, that might be an issue, I don't ride when it's that cold. You shouldn't need to bleed or refill unless there's damage. SRAM uses some kind of exotic automotive fluid that kills you if you look at it funny so maybe that stuff is more finicky. I know the braking works just as well on SRAM because I've used them on some very fast descents. But I have no long term feedback on SRAM.

>>2064612
>California minus the people would be great though, absolutely gorgeous state.
hard disagree. i dislike extreme heat. as much as i bitch about winter, i bitch about summer even more

>>2064614
There is no extreme heat though, that's the thing. Unless you live in Death Valley or something. Otherwise the moderating effect of the ocean (which is cold) means it's rarely extremely hot or extremely cold.

>>2064616
i'll be honest and say i've never been to cali, but having been to BC even that was way too fucking hot for me. not having to wear a jacket in March is against the will of the species

>>2064621
You're just habituated to thinking July = March + 50 degrees. That's not how it works in milder climates. What happens in CA is that it stops raining, so the green hills turn brown. And that's pretty much it. Most people don't even have air conditioning.

>>2064622
>That's not how it works in milder climates.
i dont care, fuck them niggas they ain't real (real as in niggas not real as in applied ontology)

real cyclists who ever say "all seasons" use the same bike in rain, snow, sleet, and hail, and sunny days are an excuse to take the bus

>>2064623
Yeah I don't like 'em either, I'm just trying to avoid the whiplash effect that occurs when someone finds out a thing they believed wasn't true and they overcompensate and go the other way. Like how some americans grow up to think foreigners all live in mud huts and are seething with jealousy at us, and when they visit another country and find out how reality works it breaks their brains and they can't STFU about much better it is in such-and-such country and america sucks. Just don't go to california and find out how wrong you were about certain very specific things, and become one of those californiaboos. Those people are annoying. You must hate california for life. That is every decent person's duty.

>>2064625
>You must hate california for life. That is every decent person's duty.
even if i one day visit it by chance and people aren't assholes, the gun and product-labeling laws will always be too lulzy to ignore for their humor, and too dire to ignore that the populace not just allowed it but encouraged it

if nothing else i will hate that they ruined thumbhole stocks forever by mandating them on guns that shouldnt have them

also from whta i hear BC is basically California With Less Snow Somehow anyway and i fucking hated BC for everything but the nature parts

are carbon fags even capable of discussing bikes without shitting everything up?

>>2064671
The thread has been mean jerks on disc brakes for the last 50 posts. Disc can go on any material frame, nothing to do with carbon. The mean jerks at Surly put those on steel.

You are now at war with Surly, everyone on carbon, everyone on alumium, everyone on titanium, and everyone with a disc brake steel frame.

When "everyone" is a jerk, maybe you were the jerk all along? Give that one a think before posting again.

>>2064672
what kind of schizo posting is this? fascinating

steal is reel