Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, said in a statement that immigrants in the country illegally who are served administrative warrants or I-205’s, which are removal or deportation warrants, “have had full due process and a final order of removal from an immigration judge.”

“The officers issuing these administrative warrants also have found probable cause,” McLaughlin said. “For decades, the Supreme Court and Congress have recognized the propriety of administrative warrants in cases of immigration enforcement.”

The group Whistleblower Aid, which is representing the whistleblowers who shared the memo with Congress, said, “This ‘policy’ flies in the face of longstanding federal law enforcement training material and policies, all rooted in constitutional assessments.”

“In other words: the Form I-205 does not authorize ICE agents to enter a home,” the group said in a statement. “Training new recruits, many of whom have zero prior law enforcement training or experience, to seemingly disregard the Fourth Amendment, should be of grave concern to everyone.”

Blumenthal said in a statement that the memo was “allegedly not widely distributed” despite being labeled “all-hands.” A copy of the memo shared with Congress is addressed to “All ICE Personnel.”

“Instead, the disclosure claims that the memo was rolled out in a secretive manner in which some agents were verbally briefed while others were allowed to view it but not keep a copy,” Blumenthal said. “It was reportedly clear that anyone who openly spoke out against this new directive would be fired.”

The memo is dated less than five months into the second term of President Donald Trump, who campaigned on mass deportations.

Immigration crackdowns by the Trump administration against several Democrat-run cities have sparked protests and unrest, most recently in Minneapolis after an ICE agent fatally shot a U.S. citizen, Renee Good, on Jan. 7.

“It is a legally and morally abhorrent policy that exemplifies the kinds of dangerous, disgraceful abuses America is seeing in real time,” Blumenthal said. “In our democracy, with vanishingly rare exceptions, the government is barred from breaking into your home without a judge giving a green light.”

The ICE memo says that Form I-205 is not a search warrant and “should only be used to enter the residence of the subject alien to conduct an immigration arrest.”

Under the Trump administration, roughly 220,000 people have been arrested by ICE officers in the nine months Jan. 20 to Oct. 15, according to data shared by a project in December.

Around 75,000 of those have been people with no criminal records, according to the data.

The figures were shared by the University of California, Berkeley’s Deportation Data Project, which obtained them through a lawsuit brought against Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

This is now a party thread. Post tunes to deport immigrants to
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZHpWH80rKc

>>1479927
And that's a good thing. Deport all criminal illegals.

A memo isn't overriding a fucking amendment. What the fuck? This is the easiest lawsuit possible.

>>1479937
Supreme court says its ok.

>>1479938
Where? Where does it say that? They didn't say this.

>>1479936
They've already broken into the home of a US citizen who happened to be an old man. But I guess you're pretending to be American so you're just enjoying all this.

>>1479940
Accidents happen. It's unfortunate, but not a reason to abandon enforcing the law.

>>1479941
Yeah yeah, get your giggles in, pajeet.

>>1479942
Save your crocodile tears for reddit, chomo

>>1479943
classic projection esl shill

>ICE says they don't need warrants to enter homes
>It says that ICE agents are allowed to forcibly enter the home of a person using an administrative warrant if a judge has issued a “final order of removal.”
OP is a fag, clearly

>>1479948
why do you want ice agents to get shot for breaking and entering

>>1479948
This is different; they're using warrants for an arrest to enter homes, which usually requires a separate warrant.

ITT: foreign shills celebrating americans giving up their rights
it'd be funnier if they weren't so apocalypticly retarded

>>1479951
You don't have a right to be in the country illegally, Ramesh

esl shill is redeeming again

>>1479941
>but not a reason to abandon enforcing the law.
Then they should get a warrant dipshit

>conservatives 10 years ago
DONT TREAD ON ME
>conservicucks in current year
TREAD ON ME DADDY I LOVE BIG GOVERNMENT

>>1479953
its weird, because everyone knows that they get fucked in the ass by a notorious MS-13 tranny every night.
It'd be a shame if ICE showed up and destroyed their home their home looking for the shills throbby mommy

>>1479954
They don't need one. Learn our laws before trying to debate them, Ramesh.

>>1479957
Giving instructions to ignore the law doesn't mean it doesn't apply dipshit.

>>1479958
What part of "ice doesn't need a warrant" did you not understand?

>>1479960
i know you're literally not american, but the americans who are ICE better count down to their trials for their crimes against humanity, it's only a matter of time

>>1479948
administrative warrant is not the same as a judicial warrant

>>1479957
A memo doesn't override the fourth amendment. That's it. That's the end of it. That's the law. You need a warrant to enter homes.

>>1479960
They do and saying they don't doesn't change that. There's a reason these retards try to rush deportations and block legal council, because a judge would see how many laws they broke in the process and put them in their place.

Of course, this has its own issues. ICE was so eager to deport the other day they accidentally turned a potential 15 years in prison into a free ride back home by deporting a jewel thief accused of helping steal over 100 million before he could go to trial.

>>1479950
Wait, I'm a little confused. So there's two warrants? One to justify the probable cause and the other to enter the home?

>>1479964
They're not rushing deportations, though. We literally know where the immigrants are going, dude. They're being sent to private prisons.

>>1479966
>They're not rushing deportations, though.
You sure?
>https://www.kare11.com/article/syndication/associatedpress/immigration-officials-allow-suspect-in-100m-jewelry-heist-to-self-deport-avoiding-trial/616-df544988-aff8-4fff-a566-edfb1e3937db

>>1479965
Yes. Police get one warrant to arrest someone if they spot them in public, but in order to enter someone's home, even the suspect's, they need another permitting them to enter private property. This is enshrined by the 4th Amendment.

>>1479963
The fourth amendment doesn't apply to illegal aliens.

>>1479969
Yes it does retard. Hence why police can't just raid property owned by foreigners whenever they want.

>>1479970
We can and we will. Illegal aliens have no rights.

>>1479971
then stop posting esl shill. stop breathing while you're at it

>>1479971
You can't. And you'll be prosecuted for ignoring the constitution and doing so anyway.

>>1479973
We can literally send you to a gulag in El Salvadore and there's nothing in the constitution that says we can't.

>>1479974
>we
nobody will ever believe you're american

>>1479976
Did you type this while staring at yourself in the mirror, Ramesh?

esl shill is projecting again

>>1479969
So why are the breaking into citizens homes and detaining them? This never happened under Obama, and he deported millions more than what Trump has managed.

>>1479974
The constitution actually does say something about that. It also says the sheer amount of power abuses deserve a hanging.

>>1479981
Hangings are for traitors. You know, betraying your country to outsiders? That kind of thing?

>>1479982
>Brutalizing and murdering citizens
>Blatantly ignoring the constitution
>Invading states based on whether their politicians have been critical of the president instead of actual illegal count
The founding fathers would've left your bodies to rot at the end of a rope. ICE has abused its authority so badly it's legitimately imitating what led to the revolution in the first place. By all counts they have betrayed their oaths to the american people as members of the federal government.

>>1479982
outsiders? like faggot shills such as yourself? yeah, you're right

>>1479980
>citizens

>>1479981
It doesn't, actually. ICE is operating entirely within the letter of the law.

>>1479986
I'm sorry, did they not get caught repeatedly doing that?

>>1479987
i doubt you even know the alphabet by memory esl shill

>>1479987
>ICE is operating entirely within the letter of the law.
>Ignoring the 4th amendment
>Ignoring official protocol for lethal force
>Literally shoving tear gas into cars with children inside
>Ignoring the 1st amendment by stopping people from recording them and raiding businesses critical of them

>>1479988
Ice can enter legal private residencies without a warrant under certain conditions. But if you're here illegally, you have no rights and fuck all the way off.

>>1479969
The fifth amendment. Jesus Christ. India is not sending their best.

>>1479991
>Ice can enter legal private residencies without a warrant under certain conditions.
No they can't.
> But if you're here illegally, you have no rights
Not true.

>>1479989
YWNBAC, Ramesh

>>1479991
But they entered the home of legal citizens. Are we going to keep doing this stupid game?

>>1479995
at least you come when called esl shill. good boy

Like, there are genuinely Americans on here that hate illegals, and probably rightly so, but how fucking stupid do you have to be to suddenly think that the right to a trial doesn't extend to fucking everybody? This is shit taught in the fifth grade. I know that the guy in the thread is a pajeet, but there's surely not Americans stupid enough to think this, right? How the fuck did they think anchor babies came about?

>Americunts not knowing their own rights?
>Nah!! It's just pajeets and bots
Saddest mutt cope

>>1479998
They actually can be deported without a trial legally. Google expedited removal.

>>1479990
>>Ignoring the 1st amendment by stopping people from recording them and raiding businesses critical of them
Have they actually been enforcing that? I know they purposefully made it into a trap using distance but it seems they haven't really been able to stop it beyond just mass mob violence.

>>1479996
They can do that under certain conditions without a warrant. How many times must it be repeated

>>1480002
And what are those conditions, pajeet

>>1480003
whenever he needs to lie for a penny, is my guess

>>1480000
>They actually can be deported without a trial legally. Google expedited removal.
Yeah that's only if they literally get caught at the border.

>>1480003
Google it, Ramesh

>>1480006
lol

>>1480006
can't count to four, can you esl shill

>>1480005
Indeed, being on American land doesn't grant you the rights of an American citizen, silly retard

>>1480009
It ONLY applies there retard.

>>1480010
It only applies on American land to American citizens, correct. You absolute ignoramus

>>1480011
nobody will ever think you're white or american, have a penny faggot

>>1480013
I appreciate that you badly want to be an American. And you should, because its the greatest country in the world. But you have to do it the legal way.

>>1479984
>By all counts they have betrayed their oaths to the american people as members of the federal government.
Doing what? Getting rid of illegal aliens that don't belong here in the first place?
Lest you forget: you're arguing in favor of illegal immigrants who have committed widespread fraud and steal jobs away from the American people. The average hardworking American can barely afford healthcare while you're over here singing the blues about foreign criminals.
You've got a lot of balls to call other people traitors.

esl shill is using multiple devices now isn't he. all in a day's work

>>1480011
No, expedited removal only applies at the border and recent arrivals. Precisely because the constitution applies to PEOPLES who live in the US and not citizens. If you live in the US, you have constitutional rights.

>>1480006
So you dont actually know yourself and have been talking out of your ass this whole thread. I mean it was obvious but thanks for confirming i guess.

>>1480015
>please ignore how we've abused the citizens of the US over and over again

>The average hardworking American can barely afford healthcare while you're over here singing the blues about foreign criminals.
The average hardworking american can barely afford healthcare and instead they gave a few hundred billion to ICE which they then used to gas that american and forcibly detain him without cause.

>>1480017
Even "people" that have been here for <2 years can be removed without a trial. Rights are not afforded to non-citizens.

>>1480020
>Rights are not afforded to non-citizens.
Yes they are and the more you try to subvert that, the greater you will be punished by the law.

Being an ICE agent will be a permanent black mark on your record. Even if you escape legal punishment, your cooperation with their abuse of the constitution will ensure your life is effectively over.

>>1480022
Wrong, and I've just demonstrated how illegals have no rights. There's nothing in the constitution or bill of rights that suggests non-citizens have rights. In fact the very idea that our laws apply to everyone in the world regardless of citizenship is childish and patently retarded

>>1480015
Would it blow your mind to learn the infamous Somali fraudsters in question are in fact, citizens? Otherwise, that bill about denaturalizing them would be kinda weird.

>>1480024
>our
LOL

>>1480024
>In fact the very idea that our laws apply to everyone in the world regardless of citizenship is childish and patently retarded
It literally is settled law that the constitution and the rights within apply regardless of citizenship.
>https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-3/ALDE_00013743/

>>1480025
It would blow his mind even more to learn the actual leader of the fraud ring:
1. Already got arrested in 2022
2. Was a white woman.

>>1480027
The preceding clause literally outlines the precepts necessary for naturalized people to be considered legal citizens so that the laws may apply to them. You are so dumb.

>>1479941
Our Constitution was written with the exact opposite idea in mind. Better a hundred guilty men walk free than a single innocent jailed.

>>1480031
>The Supreme Court has held that this protection extends to all natural persons (i.e., human beings), regardless of race, color, or citizenship.
You continue to get BTFOed every time you make this argument.

>>1480032
Literally has nothing to do with the topic
>>1480034
Illegal alien =/= naturalized
God you guys are so low tier. I could do this all day. State your country of origin

>>1480028
Wait, let's ignore the pajeet for a second, can I get a fucking source on this?

>>1480031
>The Fourteenth Amendment prohibits states from depriving "any person" of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. The Supreme Court has held that this protection extends to all natural persons (i.e., human beings), regardless of race, color, or citizenship.
Thank you for playing.

>>1480020
For the love of God, stop using ChatGPT.

I will state again that a fucking memo doesn't mean jack shit. It does not magically grant you authority to override the constitution.

>>1480038
The 14th amendment does not say "regardless of citizenship". In fact it says " No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens."
OF CITIZENS. Holy shit you're so fucking dumb lmao

>>1480039
>gets btfo
>"m-m-muh chatgpt"

>>1480037
>https://wgme.com/news/nation-world/aimee-bock-claims-scapegoating-in-feeding-our-future-scandal-disputes-fraud-label-minnesota-somalian-community

>>1480041
>nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
R E T A R D.

This was already ruled on by the Supreme Court btw. You're objectively wrong.
>https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep118/usrep118356/usrep118356.pdf
>The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens.

>>1480044
Regardless of "nationality", not citizenship. You absolute bafoon. You are embarrassing yourself.

>>1480045
> any person within its jurisdiction
> is not confined to the protection of citizens.
>"Uh it means regardless of nationality!"
Denial isn't healthy anon.

>>1479941
>We need to destroy the constitution to 'save' the country
straight from the fascist's mouth.

>>1479971
>Illegal aliens have no rights.
habeas corpus applies to ANYONE on us soil.

>>1480046
Wo v. Hopkins determined that non-citizens are protected from discrimination. Not that non-citizens have equal rights as citizens. Retard.

>>1480049
Wow have you told anyone about this? Because the document itself seems unaware.
>The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens.

>>1480048
Habeas corpus applies to unlawful detention. Illegals can be lawfully denied the rights granted to citizens.

>>1480051
>Illegals can be lawfully denied the rights granted to citizens.
No they can't. This is settled law.

>>1480050
Key words: without due process of the law. Illegals have no due process

>>1480051
>unlawful detention
that is determined in court.

>>1480052
They absolutely can. Easy example: illegals cant own a gun. They aren't entitled to rights.

>>1480053
Yes they do. That's included under the Fourteenth Amendment.

>>1480056
Show me where.

>>1480055
They're entitled to the 14th amendment. This includes right to a fair trial.

>>1480057
>nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
And before you argue, see >>1480044.

>>1480058
They aren't. Illegals can be expedited without a trial. No amount of cope will change this fact.

>>1480059
See >>1480053

>>1480060
>Illegals can be expedited without a trial
Only if they're caught at the border. Once they're firmly inside the US, expedited removal is off the table per the 14th amendment.

>>1480060
by your logic, gunfags would have gone to the mexico border and shot anyone that they saw coming into america and that would have been legally fine.

>>1480061
Stop arguing in circles retard.
>Uh they don't have 14th amendment rights!
>Yes they do
>They can't have 14th amendment rights without due process!
>They do have right to due process under the 14th amendment
>REPEAT

>>1480062
Seen>>1480020
Learn the law, dum dum

>>1480065
That isn't the law though. Please realize you literally cannot win an argument over settled law. The supreme court has ruled, multiple times, that the 14th applies regardless of citizenship.

>>1480064
No one is saying the 14th grants them due process. That's literally not written in any piece of law anywhere.

>>1480067
>nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
>without due process of law
>without due process of law
>without
>due
>process
>of
>law
Please learn to read before using this site.

>>1480066
Wrong, the Supreme Court ruled that a non-citizen cannot be discriminated against on the basis of nationality. Not that the 14th applies to non-citizens. Quit being obtuse

>>1480068
Show me where illegals are entitled to due process of the law, goofy ahh

>>1480069
>the Supreme Court ruled that a non-citizen cannot be discriminated against on the basis of nationality. Not that the 14th applies to non-citizens.
In their ruling that says, quoting it directly here
>The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens.
You sure about that?

Break into my home you are getting shot. I don't give a fuck what memo some pedo politician handed you. I'm gonna be blowing a hole in your head the size of a fist.

>>1480070
In the multiple supreme court rulings that affirm that "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." means regardless of citizenship you numbskull.

>>1480071
Every time you say this, I'm going to refer you to the part of the 14th that says "due process." Illegals are not due process.

>>1480074
>Illegals are not due process.
holy shit do you actually think it means "they are due process" instead of just the concept of "due process"?

>>1480075
Do you not understand that under due process, we can legally just deport them? How fucking dumb are you?

>>1480074
>The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens.

>>1480078
See >>1480074

>>1480073
They don't think "other people" are people. It's like having reverse Schizophrenia.

>>1480077
Under due process you need to let them have their day in front of a judge first moron. This is shitty bait; the law is black and white on this and no amount of arguing will change that. But I'll gladly keep letting you discredit the whole movement.

>>1480079
The supreme court ruled they are "due process". Continue getting BTFOed by settled law.

>>1480081
Some of them are required to see a deportation judge. Some are not. "Due process" does not mean these people are entitled to the same rights as citizens. Retard.

>>1480084
>"Due process" does not mean these people are entitled to the same rights as citizens.
The Fourteenth Amendment says otherwise
>INB4 "Uh the fourteenth doesn't apply to non-citizens. The language in it that literally says any persons within a state doesn't mean anything. Those cases where the supreme court ruled outright it applies to non-citizens actually meant literally anything other than what they said directly

>>1480085
God you're dumb. Due process literally means to what extent of the law process is due. And in the case of illegals, that extent is very limited. It does not grant the rights permitted to citizens.

>>1480085
Its weird how closed retards like the shill claim to love the US Constitution, but clearly hate the actual words and intentions

>>1480086
>Due process literally means to what extent of the law process is due. And in the case of illegals, that extent is very limited
Yeah that's not how due process works. It means you're entitled to a fair trial under law. That includes immigrants being able to plead their case in immigration court.

>>1480089
Bro, you're retarded. Due process does not require a trial. It means fair treatment and protection of rights under law. Illegals have no rights and fair treatment means deporting them.

>>1480090
>trial
youve worked yourself into a smaller and smaller box. it's fascinating watching it happen.

>>1480090
>Illegals have no rights and fair treatment means deporting them.
Actually fair treatment means giving them a chance in immigration court. Again, settled law.

>>1480095
Depends on the individual. Due process does not always require a trial. And due process is not a blanket term to imply that illegals are eligible for rights granted to citizens. You lost

>>1479927
Dems just a few years ago were just perfectly fine with warrantless searches when Biden expanded red flag laws for police to enter your home and confiscate all of your firearms with no due process - which, surprise surprise, we're already seeing cases where that's being abused - and now they want to pretend to give a fuck about the 4th amendment?

>>1479955
If you're going to use the system against us, don't bitch when we use the system against you.

>>1479927
>people subject to deportation
Does this not imply that a judge already approved their deportation? If not, what is the mechanism that certifies their approval and why would this not also legitimize seeking them out in a manner consistent with a warrant?

>>1480098
Nevermind my question, stopped being lazy and read the rest.
Yeah, what's the problem exactly? This is like a judge confirming that you're in violation of the law, ergo establishing something beyond reasonable suspicion (it's not suspected, it's confirmed) of commission of a crime, and doesn't that permit entry anyway? If a cop can enter your home because they see crack through an open door or window, why would they not also be able to enter if they have essentially certainty you are committed a crime?

>>1479961
>In the future x will happen
It's funny that people think anyone values their predictions on this website. Nothing more than wishful thinking and fantasy. If you had any capacity to predict anything you wouldn't be a broke faggot whining about illegal immigrants getting deported, and people in the real world would actually value your opinion instead of ignoring you.

>>1479937
We did away with the 4th amendment after 9/11. The entire Patriot Act may as well be the 28th amendment

>>1479984
>Brutalizing and murdering citizens
56 people were killed by ICE under Obama and you never said a word

>>1480019
>>please ignore how we've abused the citizens of the US over and over again
Hey, here's an idea: comply with the feds if they ask you questions.
You want to get combative with people who can legally shoot you for disobeying a direct order? Be my guest.

>>1480110
>ICE is abusing US citizens
>"Well have you tried just letting it happen, idiot?"

>>1480111
shill is forgetting that the US isn't Russia and people have rights

>>1480111
>wowwww how was I supposed to know sticking your dick in a beehive was a bad idea?
Libs truly are the DSP of political activists.

>>1480105
Took only 150 posts before Obama Derangement Syndrome kicked in to defend trump destroying a basic constitutional right the founding fathers gave us.

>>1480113
Yeah that family who had to rush their 6 month old to the hospital for having inhale so much tear gas he stopped breathing for daring to drive in the same area as ICE really stuck their dick in the beehive.

>>1480118
Don't forget the ICE gestapo intentionally threw grenades at the innocent family for trying to drive from a situation they had nothing to do with.

But as the Russian shills will claim it's just another 'accident'

>>1480118
>bring you child to an ICE protest
>wowwww how would I supposed to know this endangered my child
Well, at least you got what you wanted: another martyr to make ICE look bad.
Maybe if it were summer and a minority, you would've had another George Floyd. Instead all you got was George Foid.

>>1480125
They didn't you fucking retard. They were driving home and their route was blocked by ICE. When they got out to investigate what was going on they rolled a fucking tear gas grenade under their car.
>https://www.whsv.com/2026/01/18/6-month-old-revived-with-cpr-after-tear-gas-floods-familys-suv-amid-ice-protests/

>>1480118
>>1480123
And the people ICE has been tackling and macing right in the face while detained

>>1479927

It's because they cannot focibly ocupy your house if you are a citizen. If you are a foreigner, you can be arrested, It's not a citizen's home being occupied, it is the taking away of another national

>>1480126
Sure is weird that ICEwatch was encouraging protestors to bring their kids to the protests. But I guess this was just ICE victimizing children, huh?
You people are incredible.

>>1480129
>if you are a citizen.
No, the Constitution applies to all people on US soil.

>>1480105
Yes, anon, we are the same people who should have raised our voices. Twelve fucking years ago. Are you for real, man? We called Biden out for being complacent to genocide in Israel and it probably gave the fucking election to Trump on a platter. Can we PLEASE criticize the now?

Oh yes, I SO want to justify masked men who don't have to prove who they are with massive guns with noted suppressors to just invade my fucking home without a warrant! What could go wrong? Its not like people have already impersonated ICE! Its not like we know for a fact there's proud boys in the ranks! What could go wrong? Hell, why even make it a racist thing? This guy was saying something about Trump? He's a US citizen? OOOPS, made a mistake and thought he was an illegal and he's dead now!

Anybody that even remotely says otherwise that this is not ripe to abuse is not American or is fucking stupid.

>>1480136
>We called Biden out for being complacent to genocide in Israel and it probably gave the fucking election to Trump on a platter.
It was because you show deference to literally everybody except your own fucking countrymen.
Nobody sane cares what happens to dead jews or muslims halfway across the planet. They care about having jobs and healthcare.

>>1480138
You are biased if you think I don't want universal healthcare or if I ever wanted mass layoffs to be a thing. I didn't even fucking want Biden.

>>1480130
>Didn't read the article
They didn't bring their kid to a protest. Their way home got blocked by ICE and then because they stopped at their road block, ICE fucking gassed their car and put their 6 month old in the hospital.

>>1480141
>They didn't bring their kid to a protest.
Sure they didn't anon. Just like Renee Good was an innocent woman who was just dropping her kids off at school and was shot for no reason.

>>1480149
Anything to bend that reality to your schizophrenic thoughts, huh

>>1480151
>cry wolf
>act indignant when nobody believes you
Good luck with the wolves, cakeboy.

>>1480153
Yeah, either you're a nazi or a pajeet. I don't really care about somebody that's telling me "Yeah its okay for a white woman to be killed for no reason" like how I'm not okay with ICE being able to break into my fucking house without a warrant.

>>1479957
But our laws say they need a warrant...

>>1480160
Seeing your boogeymen anytime your opinions are challenged isn't a sign of a healthy mind. Get well soon, lil muttoid.

An ICE agent breaking into someone's home without a warrant deserves to die, same as any other intruder. Castle Doctrine exists for a reason.

>>1480160
>for no raisins!!!
You're the jeet if you don't know that you're supposed to yield to pedestrians, including ICE.
>

>Around 75,000 of those have been people with no criminal records, according to the data.
americans are proud of ruining the lives and families of non-criminals? is it because you're all white supremacists?

>>1480270
Retard administrative warrants don't give them the ability to enter private property.

>>1480276
They don't have criminal records because they're undocumented

>>1480291
Friendly reminder ICE has only actually existed since 2003.

>>1480302
A memo telling law enforcement to disobey the law doesn't give them ability to disobey the law.

>Congress did nothing, Supreme Court did nothing.
Because they didn't fucking know about it until yesterday.

>>1480293
friendly reminder that 2025 was the year that ICE has killed the most since 2004.

>>1480314
>As I said, the power was claimed in May of last year by the Executive branch.
In private you retard. This was a memo sent out to ICE agents, not even an executive policy change. It only became public yesterday.

>>1480341
>The government already knew.
No they didn't. ICE knew. This was only sent out to their agents. Congress and the DOJ had no fucking clue this memo went out until it was leaked.

And besides the point, a memo is not a change in the fucking law itself. If a police department gets an order to kill civilians, that doesn't mean it isn't murder.

>>1480355
How do you know they saw the memo anon? It had to be leaked via whistleblower; we have zero evidence anyone outside of ICE has seen this until now.

And again, it doesn't change the fact the orders contained within ARE ILLEGAL. There was no change in the law to allow the entering of private property without a judicial warrant.

>>1480376
>It's a new power claimed by the executive, unchallenged by the legislative, and we await judicial review.
The new power to ignore the fourth amendment completely? You really wanna argue this?

BTW internal memos aren't automatically submitted to House Oversight. If ICE didn't tell them about it, they didn't know until it was leaked via whistleblower.

>>1480376
Oh continuing on this; according to the whistleblower complaint, despite being addressed to all agents, this was only actually handed out to specific DHS officials who then showed it to agents but forbid them from documenting it. Meaning there was a coordinated effort to hide this memo.

>>1480390
>The fourth amendment requires warrants
Yes. And administrative warrants aren't warrants under the 4th amendment. You can't just invent some new procedure, give it the name of something in established law, and then act like shit's kosher.
>to be under Oath and affirmation
No. It requires warrants to have probable cause, which is a finding by a court officer. The probable cause is supported by oath or affirmation because you have to communicate to under oath to get a warrant.

>>1480390
>The committees have the right to demand access to the memo.
Which they will likely do now that they actually know it exists.

>>1480390
>Your elected officials could, but they aren't.
Because they only just found out it's a fucking thing to begin with. You still have not addressed how this is a blatant violation of the 4th amendment.

>>1480398
>Except that's been the stated legality since May of last year, and none of your officials have done anything to stop it.
IT ISN'T STATED LEGALITY. IT IS A MEMO THEY TOLD NO ONE ABOUT. Jesus fucking christ, what do you not get? You cannot violate the constitution because you gave a memo out instructing law enforcement to do so.

>>1480402
>Stop them from doing it.
Give more than like 48 hours and we'll see. The point stands this blatantly violates the constitution.

>>1480408
Even this SCOTUS struggles to find ways to excuse blatant constitutional violations.

>>1480398
>No one's arguing they don't have probable cause.
I'm arguing that. Probable cause is a fucking finding in a fucking court.
>Except that's been the stated legality since May of last year
Cite the case, cuck.

>>1480402
>Stop them from doing it.
That's what guns are for. I've no fucking idea why dipshits like you think Castle Doctrine doesn't apply to cops acting unlawfully. One of these days an ICE agent is gonna go through the wrong door, catch a bullet, and the DoJ is gonna get laughed out of court when they try to prosecute the shooter cause they went in without a warrant.

Warrants exist to protect cops, jackass.

>>1480539
There's not much precedent for claiming castle doctrine against feds. You're more likely to be shot and killed in the process.

>>1480544
>There's not much precedent for claiming castle doctrine against feds
There's also not much precedent for feds doing violent entries without a warrant before the current clown show rolled into town.

>>1480549
K. Good luck with that, Rambo

>>1480539
>unlawfully
>implying

>>1480539
No one's going to survive shooting an ICE agent. They might prosecute your widow, depending on circumstances.

>>1480565
ICE agents aren't SWAT. They aren't even running background checks on these clowns, let alone properly training them.

>>1480552
I wasn't implying anything. I was stating it plainly.

>>1480570
I'll engage in good faith.

When it comes to a gunfight with the government, even if we accept that quality is low enough that you manage to kill a few people, they will get you with quantity.

No one is going to survive shooting an ICE agent.

You could run out of bullets and throw away the gun, on video, and the next wave of agents will take you down because you might have had a secondary weapon concealed.

It's a Good idea to keep a firm grasp on the line between fantasy and reality.

>>1480572
Hey, you just need to ice enough of them to make the rest rethink it. We see both the federal hogs and the local pigs cowering when someone has something that will actually kill them. And do you really think people are going to hear "we killed this dude defending his home from a warrentless entry" and not flip the fuck out? Trump's bullshit is already costing the GOP seats, they're going to turn on him if his gestapo pulls some shit like that.

>>1480576
You cannot kill enough government agents to make the government "rethink" holding you accountable.

No one, on either side of the aisle, will ever get into a gunfight with the government and win. Especially not a gunfight that starts at your own address.

You are full on Looney tunes right now. I hope you get help before you make a deadly mistake.

>>1480577
Hey, they seemed pretty adverse to the idea of holding the Uvalde shooter to account because he had something those vests wouldn't stop.

>>1480576
I would say please try it but you're not even american

>>1480579
That shooter was killed by law enforcement. What on earth do you mean?

...

Are you suggesting that he "won" because he killed kids before they finally got to him? That can't be what you meant... You can't be that morally vacuous... Wtf did you mean??

You will never win a gunfight with the government. You will die every time, whether you kill anyone else or not. Anything else is a fantasy. Seek help, please.

>>1480583
thomas jefferson would argue otherwise

>>1480584
He had fire parity. You don't, and never will.

>>1479936

A large portion, nearly half of illegals are illegal because their visas expired. Deporting them for a clerical error is an insane overreaction, especially when they've integrated into communities and are paying taxes. Most Americans prefer offering an easier path to citizenship than cutting off their nose to spite their face. You are a bigoted dipshit.

>>1480586
i'm just reminding you what thomas jefferson thought, no need to put words in my mouth shill anon

>>1480571
Then you're wrong and soliciting rebellion against federal law enforcement.

>>1480583
They sat there and let him kill the kids until they felt he didn't have enough lead to kil;l them.

>>1480590
i know, i know, esl shill, you can't read anything, including the constitution

>>1480584
Not today he wouldnt

>>1480593
is your souce a ouija board now esl shill?

>>1480587
An expired visa is no different from crossing the border illegally. You're trespassing in violation of the law and you must go.

>>1480591
And this is victory in your mind?

He lost that gunfight.

Just because we lost too, just because anyone who is human lost too, when those kids died, that changes nothing about his own endgame. He lost. No one thinks he's a winner. And the result will be the same for anyone who takes up arms against the government, they will lose too.

>>1480596
unless trump pardons them, right

>>1480603
oh sorry, i forgot you were the esl shill. i'm not saying trump will pardon me, i'm saying trump already pardoned people who took up arms against the government and they're currently claiming they're winners

>>1480604
Ah got it, didn't know what you were talking about. J6? Only one of them came close to getting into an actual gunfight, and her name was Ashley and she immediately caught a bullet. Everyone else was fighting without guns drawn.

Idk what an esl is. English second language? I haven't been ungrammatical, so that's just wishful thinking on your part.

>>1480606
>those rioters don't count.
ok esl shill.

>>1480604
That it was the Legislative branch targeted specifically and they had a whole media ecosystem wound up in advance for that date plus the president to support them is kind of important.

>>1480610
i'll refer you back to the founding fathers, esl shill

>>1480610
>If the government does something wrong, just give up and let it happen, don’t resist, you can’t do anything
Fuck you.

>>1480615
>wrong
>implying

>>1480617
you already glazed the january 6 rioters esl shill, you can stop with the bleeding heart theatrics

>>1480619
you don't know what anything means without the proper app, we know this esl shill. just suck billionaire dick like you're programmed to and quit trying to hoodwink us with false sentiment

>>1480617
>There's a LOT of options between "give up" and "die in a firefight"
>>1480619
>You're living in a fantasy just like Renee used to be.
Very telling.
Fuck you.

>>1480622
no need to get so defensive esl shill, it's an open secret what you are. have you forgotten that your handlers openly fuck and murder babies by now? you should keep up

>>1480624
i'm not mad at you esl shill

>>1480619
2 in 5 US households have guns and with all the stories going around about people impersonating ICE to commit crimes, you're fucking delusional if you think it isn't inevitable that one eventually catches a bullet for acting like common criminals.

>>1480626
nice self own esl shill

>>1479960
Are you actually fucking retarded? Like, do you have a minder? Perhaps a crash helmet?

>>1480631
tldr

>>1480632
eh, you wish

>>1479950
>This is different; they're using warrants for an arrest to enter homes
Administrative warrants aren't arrest warrants. What ICE is doing is even more illegal.

>>1480632
>That person will lose the gunfight, though
Yeah I don't see these clowns dying for an arrest/some jackass they've known a few months taking a bullet. They'll call for actual help and then real cops will show up and diffuse the situation.

>>1480636
>our
LOL. esl shill, nobody respects you. you should see to that discrepancy first and foremost

>>1480624
>Renee Good was larping and she discovered the real world doesn't play her game. Don't fall into that trap.
Says the larper. Fuck you, you victim-blaming freak.

>>1480640
>>1480641
you've moved on from targeting mothers esl shill, you're kidnapping 5 year olds and using them as hostages now. keep up

>>1480638
ICE aren't career feds, jackass. Seriously with the lionizing of these assholes in this thread. The average ICE agent is a drunk 3%er wife beater with 2 weeks of training that has been on the job 6 months.

>>1480654
They literally bitch out at the mere idea of someone owning a gun. They literally pick zero fights they aren't the only armed side in.

>>1480686
We have multiple videos of ICE agents aborting a house raid if the homeowner tells them they're armed. They're cowards.

>>1480651
You can try and justify it however you want. They're still kidnapping children, and you're still defending them for it.

>>1480693
>You can try and justify it however you want.
The father left his child in the middle of a minnesota winter because he ran from ICE. The temperature was below -20.5C.

>>1480641
>She didn't deserve to die
No, she absolutely deserved to die.
Threatening federal officers has been a death sentence forever. It's only libshits who think they can do that with impunity and get away with it.

>>1480694
How awful.
They're still kidnapping children, and you're still defending them for it.

>>1480698
She wasn't threatening federal officers and that isn't punishable by death.

>>1480700
>She wasn't threatening federal officers
According to whom?

>>1480694
Oh, and to add to that.
> in the middle of a minnesota winter
They kidnapped the kid in his fucking driveway. A couple yards from his front door. There were other people living in this house, friends of the family. They offered to take him in and begged ICE not to take him. ICE did anyway. And then flew him across the country to Texas, where he's now imprisoned. Friendly reminder, this is a FUCKING FIVE YEAR OLD.
This is completely defensible. There is absolutely no way you can justify this. This is plain, pure evil, and so are you for trying to defend it.

>>1480717
>There is absolutely no way you can justify this.
His father abandoned his child in the middle of freezing temperatures and then the clan living in his abode tried to take the child despite not having custody.
You can't blame ICE for this, sorry anon.

>>1480729
>His father abandoned his child
His child was fucking kidnapped you retard.
>the clan living in his abode tried to take the child despite not having custody.
Family friends can't have temporary custody when the alternative is IMPRISONING A 5 YEAR OLD???

NTA but holy shit, you ICE supporters are fucking psychotic.

>>1480730
>His child was fucking kidnapped you retard.
"Kidnapped" because his father put his son in a life-threatening situation.
>Family friends can't have temporary custody when the alternative is IMPRISONING A 5 YEAR OLD???
"Family friends" don't have parental custody in the United States. Maybe they do in Somalia, but not here.

>>1480735
>"Kidnapped" because his father put his son in a life-threatening situation.
What situation? That his dad was arrested at all?

>"Family friends" don't have parental custody in the United States
They sure as hell have more of a claim for a stable environment than a fucking jail cell. You're literally justifying IMPRISONING CHILDREN.

>>1480737
>What situation?
He left his child to die in the cold.
>You're literally justifying IMPRISONING CHILDREN.
You're right, ICE should've just let him die instead. What was I thinking.

>>1480737
If his parents didn't force him to come here he wouldn't be forced to go back.

>>1480738
>He left his child to die in the cold
5 feet from the door to his house lol

>>1480738
>He left his child to die in the cold.
Gee, why did that happen? Could it be because ICE literally stole him from being in a car in his own driveway?

>You're right, ICE should've just let him die instead. What was I thinking.
Yeah if only there were people with connections to his family they could've left him with instead. OH WAIT.

Last time I checked, family friends ARE valid to leave children with on a temporary basis. Especially when the alternative is a fucking prison. ICE are thugs and animals. The next one who uses a child as bait should eat a fucking bullet for it for it. There is no decency in this organization.

>>1480729
>His father abandoned his child in the middle of freezing temperatures
In his driveway.
>and then the clan living in his abode tried to take the child despite not having custody
They're living in the same fucking house. They're friends.
>You can't blame ICE for this, sorry anon.
I absolutely fucking can.

>>1480738
I love you're repeating the talking points of JD Fucking Vance.
No, you fucking sociopathic dogshit freak, they should have left him with the rest of the people living in his house, who were offering to take him in, and begging ICE not to kidnap him.

>>1480740
Both the father and his son, his FIVE YEAR OLD SON, have active asylum claims. They are here legally.

>>1479936

They can enter your home too idiot. Good with that?

>>1480747
>get caught
>claim asylum
>"Hehehe I'm here legally you can't send me back."
Many such cases. See Abrego Garcia for more details.

>>1480764
What was it like when you sold your soul?

Imagine being esl shill and defending baby raping terrorists for a few pennies

>>1480774
Shouldn't you be trying to convince us the epstein files don't exist

>>1480777
Oh so republicans want the Epstein files released? Well thank god republicans control the entire system that has and could release those files. It’s almost like protecting Trump and his pedophile friends Is more important to republicans than Exposing the pedophiles on the list.

But yea, democrats, right?

>>1480759
That's how the law works dumbass.

>>1480814
>Republican rank and file are the only reason you even know about Epstein.
lmao you mean the guys who refused to vote yes until enough of them caved and then suddenly all (but one) voted yes so they wouldn't look like pedos? The ones refusing to impeach Bondi for contempt of congress for not releasing the files? The ones who were perfectly willing to swallow the lie that the files didn't exist?

>>1480816
>Not anymore it isn't.
Oh so surely you have a new supreme court ruling or congress passing a law change, right?

That's why Garcia didn't come bac- oh wait a second...

>>1480812
For now.

>>1480817
No, I think they're referring to the people who gave him a sweetheart deal and released him back into Florida to keep raping kids

>>1480821
Hey remember when you said he was never coming back? Me too.

The irony is you've actually given him more legitimacy to stay now.

>>1480822
Oh that's right! Those guys!

>>1480827
>u-uh all according to plan
>"He's never coming back"
You already got BTFOed on this guy and ironically have now given him a case for citizenship as he was brought back by the US government and is the victim of a crime.

>>1480832
>We all know he's a criminal now,
Yeah everyone is mocking your "Proof" tattoos. No one considers him a criminal and your show trial is going to result in him being cleared of all charges. Your evidence amounts to the word of a convicted criminal blatantly trying to get immunity and him being caught carpooling with coworkers once. Combined with the blatant political prosecution, you're kinda screwed.

>>1480812
That's a bullshit loophole and you know it.

>>1480838
>UH but we'll get more
And you'll be prosecuted for each one you violate the law with. And when ICE gets defunded a year or three, try not to seethe too hard. Especially when your ex-agents start going on trial for human rights abuses.

>>1480844
>the rest of the 99% will go free.
lmao any ICE agent who isn't prosecuted will still be unemployable for the rest of their lives. They already were unemployable before ICE to the point they couldn't even get jobs as cops. Shit will be a black mark on your record and even your family. This already happened with 1/6ers even after the pardon; your future is either grifting or homelessness.

>>1480848
>You wish you had the cultural cache to cancel feds.
Lmao their budget is getting cut. They're all getting fired.

>Keep them in line, or something Good will happen to them
Jonathan Ross is going to face justice btw. His life is effectively over.

>>1480852
>Democratic leaders refuse to cut the ICE budget
Yeah while they aren't in power and it'll be purely a protest vote. See how fast that changes when they reclaim the majority.

> then that's the 1% who you get to point to and say "look we won".
No, it'll be a start. There's a whole list of similar ICE murderers. All will be fired. All will face justice. All will likely die broke in a ditch.

>>1480855
Well let's see, Brian Palacios, the guards at their facility in Camp East Montana, the list will continue to grow as names and crimes are exposed.

>>1480858
They will all be tried for their violations of human rights. They will all be fired. They will all be completely unemployable.

And no amount of bluster will save them from that.

>>1480861
>I guess they have no incentives to ever loosen their grip on power, then.
Yeah "We'll just do a fascism!" isn't gonna stop you from getting annihilated in the midterms or the next presidential election.

>>1480862
You're making a greater argument for fascism by unironically trying to protect sexual predators and violent criminal invaders.

>>1480865
Nice boasting. Won't save you from the rope.

>>1480870
Your legion of child snatchers' days are numbered lmao. Is a few years of being allowed to abuse people gonna be worth the lifetime of unemployability and public shame?

>>1480876
It's just >>1480880 spewing wrong opinions in bad fail.
That, and it's nothing more than a Reddit spacer, thus all it's retarded posts are pointed & laughed at, then thrown into the trash along with the retardation-spewing ICE-IS glazing subhuman.

>>1480876
>Is a few years of being allowed to abuse people gonna be worth the lifetime of unemployability and public shame?
I don't know, was it?

>>1480888
>So we agree subhuman trash needs to be chucked out
>we
I agree that the subhuman trash-spewing reddit spacer needs to be chucked out.

>>1480654
>an army of them
These clowns don't travel in armies. Their clown cars only hold 2-4 of the fat fucks.

>>1480572
>It's a Good idea to keep a firm grasp on the line between fantasy and reality.
Meanwhile in reality, people successfully surrender to cops all the fucking time. Kenneth Walker ring a bell?

ICE are probably more likely to extra judiciously execute you on camera though, I'll give you that.

>>1480539
>>Stop them from doing it.
>That's what guns are for.
Oh this is fucking delicious. NOW the left gives a fuck about guns after trying for several decades to get rid of them? Just mwah chef's kiss. This is such delicious irony from a 5-star restaurant served by Gordon Ramsay himself!

>>1480899
>This is such delicious irony
Charlie Kirk was pro-life. Irony bit him in the neck.

>>1480899
They don't want to take away guns. They want to take away guns from you, because they hate you and want you dead.
Not migrants though. They love brown migrants and think those people deserve guns too. They cheer at ICE being potentially shot by gun-wielding migrants too.
Notice a pattern yet?

>>1480901
>think those people deserve guns too
You can ask the resident gun shill about that.
Despite previous claims to be 'American' and posting a link to a photo showing its AR-15 and a 'white' leg, its credibiliy fell apart when said leg was his roommate's and the gun was an airsoft one, thus will never have a gun: because it isn't American. Even Stevie Wonder can work out what this means.
And 'They' don't want to take away guns, They just want to take guns away from rightards. Has Trump reversed what he said about bump stocks?

>>1480907
>And 'They' don't want to take away guns
This nigger doesn't remember waco or ruby ridge.

>>1480909
>Anyone who isn't a felon can have a gun.
Pretty sure illegals aren't allowed. That also puts a dent in your "they have the same rights as US citizens" argument.

>>1480902
Jonathan Ross can surrender to reality when he becomes unemployable.
Employers won't need to Google his name when it appears on job applications.
ICE-IS terrorist Ross: a police larper that will realize he killed his own future.
He's not the only ICE-IS terrorist/MAGAt that, post-Trump adminifrustration, will be living in interesting times.
>May you live in interesting times
And how can a vague six word statement be a 'threat'?

>>1480902
>Respect them and they will respect you.
Lmao biggest fucking lie on this earth.

>>1480925
Ok but what about the people who come here legally and then have their right to be here suddenly revoked by the Trump admin?

>>1480933
NTA, if this is that bullshit asylum claim after they get caught loophole, then no. Those people especially should not have guns. Now if you're talking about someone here on an H1B visa... I don't think they can but I'll have to look that one up. Pretty sure the answer is no.

>>1480933
From the ATF:
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing a firearm or ammunition unless the alien falls within one of the exceptions provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as: a valid hunting license or permit, admitted for lawful hunting or sporting purposes, certain official representatives of a foreign government, or a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.

[18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B) and 922(y)(2); 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.32]

>>1480909
>Behave and you'll get to keep your rights
Weird. I was behaving and now suddenly my country says I don't have a right to be secure in my house against unreasonable searches and seizures.

>>1480942
>It lets too many dangerous people in
Asylees have a violent crime rate half that of the general population. The actual fuck are you talking about?

>>1480955
Yeah that's not what they've been doing in practice though. It is literally only a matter of time before they storm the wrong house and wind up with a face full of buckshot.

>>1480954
>Even one is enough.
>but not white people
>it doesn't matter that white conservative chuds are responsible for all the school shootings
lmao, what a faggot

>>1480961
>>it doesn't matter that white conservative chuds are responsible for all the school shootings
I'm pretty sure Cho still holds the record, and last I checked Asians weren't white.

>>1480962
What's the WOW list?

>>1480969
https://www.wendyperrin.com/wow-list/

>>1480983
>>1480984
Well that certainly seems legit.

>>1480988
No, anon. Think harder.

>>1479936
I hope they shoot your faggot ass right in the face when they break into your house.

>>1479949
When did you faggots start defending feds. Fucking obvious shill. Kys

>>1481013
Don't have a problem with the feds if they leave me alone.
Thankfully they're going after migrants and communists.

>>1481013
When they were told to.

>>1481013
Ice is one of the only parts of the federal government actually working to improve the lives of Americans.

>>1480954
>Even one is enough.
Why don't you apply that logic to Americans and deport yourself to a deserted island so we can be free of you?

>>1480954
Actually the constitution was pretty clear better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent punished.

>>1480955
>Only people who's very presence on our soil is a crime have to worry about that.
Or people who live with them. Or people that let them into their homes or businesses. Or people ICE misidentify. Or anyone non-white. Or the rest of us when they start saying other police agencies don't need warrants either, and why the fuck wouldn't they?

There's no such thing as getting rid of a right but only for some people. If it's gone for illegals. It's gone for all of us.

>>1481041
>But I'll never be removed from America haha
Nah. You're fortunately mortal. And closer to being dead than born.

Also a first gen American bitching about immigrants is a bigger waste of carbon than the average right winger. If you hate your parents that much, just piss on their grave like a normal person.

>>1481044
They are literally arresting people with work permits.

Also the law says ICE are the criminals here. Hopefully the right side of the law catches up with them if bullets don't.

>>1481045
Shut up retard

>>1481051
>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-immigration-raid-real-id-handcuffed-alabama-rcna208794
>https://www.al.com/news/2025/10/us-citizen-arrested-twice-by-ice-agents-who-claimed-his-drivers-license-was-fake.html
>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/28/elaine-miles-actor-ice-detained-id-fake
>https://www.fox9.com/news/oglala-sioux-leaders-seek-missing-members-detained-ice-minneapolis

>>1481057
>These people were released...
Incorrect. Three native americans are still fucking missing after ICE took them.

>I'm not denying that you'll be detained if they think there's anything wrong with your documents, of course you will.
And you don't see the problem with being able to be detained at complete random, abused by a bunch of poorly trained thugs, and then only released before they'd have to justify it? God I hope you savor the smell of the boot that curb stomps you.