buy an ad, jilani.

>>28819980
Don’t ever let Chinese cars into your country and it won’t be a problem

>>28819980
Deport the Muslim

>>28819997
Europe's EV sales are now dominated by VW Group. Tesla is slipping hard while every other brand is facing yearly growth in the EV sector. It's not because of China Tesla's losing. It's because of Tesla.

>>28820008
Europeans are poor and can’t afford cars that are larger than a golf cart and Tesla has no small car options because we are fucking Americans

>>28819989
Don't tease your white american brother.

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>50% market share
>precipitous decline

>>28820048
America is now a small minority of the total global EV market.

>>28820048
Yeah but it's 50% now, 5 years ago it was 80%. He had the American EV market in a stranglehold and was a beloved household name and then decided to do everything he possibly could to ruin both his own and his company's reputation.

>>28820085
>was a beloved household name
What? Since when? Tesla has a small time EV maker that was hated by everyone. Republicans hated it cause EV politics. Democrats hated it because communism. Biden launched a dozen different investigations into Teslas to stop them. They attacked Teslas at every turn for not kow towing to the trans gender and marxism.

Tesla is forever a brand carried by people who want technology and who want better cars. Thats why they only have few million car sales over the life time.

>>28820094
You retard, Tesla Model Y was the best selling car of 2024, WORLDWIDE. Yes, across all categories. And the Biden administration gave them so much emissions gibs (which they then sold to GM/Ford) that it multiplied Elon's wealth.

>>28820048
Yeah obviously it's 50% when America refuses to allow the decent EV'S to even enter the country

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>>28819980
good, let them crash and burn

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>>28820094
>Tesla has a small time EV maker that was hated by everyone
You're delusional. You can believe this if you want but just understand that no one else in America agrees with you.

>>28820118
World wide isn't marxist and oil politics.

>>28820129
That episode was filed in 2015. When Tesla only sold 50K car in the whole year. Now they do that in a week or two. Tesla was a small time car maker when that episode was made. Thats when Musk only had ~$15B. Musk wasn't in the top 10 richest person list let alone being anywhere close to a trillionaire that he is today. Soon as Tesla started printing Model 3 and Musk's net worth ballooned, democrats started hating him

>>28820132
Cool thanks ChatGPT for the detailed Elon Musk biography. Now explain how any of this is relevant or how it in any way disproves what I said.

>>28820133
Its relevant because Teslas when they started succeeded, they became hated. Thats where the relevant information is. Its irrelevant what Tesla was when they were selling small chums. Back in 2015, the only ones hating Teslas and only ones who carried Teslas in their minds were stock traders mainly and people that just wanted electric car technology.

When Tesla became what they are today, that was ~2018 or so, they became hated by everyone for politics of not being subscribing to Marxism or not subscribing to oil politics.

>>28820134
Yeah okay guy they were HATED so much by EVERYONE that they were the best selling car on the face of the planet.

>>28820085
tesla used to be the ONLY ev manufacturer
well, if you exclude retarded shit like the gen 1 leaf and the i3/i8 from bmw
of course they lost market share, how could they not?
its like saying that apple is in trouble because they used to have 100% of the only screen, no keys smartphone market, but not its only 50%.

fucking anti tesla shills.
you think tesla is in trouble? bet your fucking money on it and get rich
or, more realistically, continue getting assraped by elon, as you have for the past decade.

>>28820147
Some might say Apple is in trouble... iphone sales have been stagnant for several years and the company is being pretty much completely held up by that one product, which hasn't seen any significant improvement in several generations. Sales on all of their other devices is negligible and the userbase for their services goes down every year.

>>28820138
Political dogma moves the world. Even if its 60% of the people are highly political, there still leaves other 40%.

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>>28820147
>of course they lost market share, how could they not?
The problem with Tesla is not that they're losing market share. The problem is that their sales are dropping YoY despite the BEV market growing at an exponential rate. A rising tide normally lifts all boats but in this case, it lifted all boats but Tesla.

Elon fucked up. He had a big deal over the car manufacturers. He had every advantage there was by 2024. Then he went full MIGA retard and doomed one of the most promising startup car brands we've had in decades. I don't even dislike Tesla. Some build quality aside, I think it's amazing what they've achieved. But Elon's incompetent, drug-riddled ass singlehandedly ruined Tesla's image and now people want a normal brand for their EV instead.

>>28820192
>deal
*lead

>>28820192
>The problem is that their sales are dropping YoY despite the BEV market growing at an exponential rate.
so much wrong here

a) the bev market is not growing "at an exponential rate". it grows by a few % each year, "an exponential rate" means by multiples. 2x, 3x and so on.

b) the number of potential EV buyers is mostly steady, or at best growing by a few % each year. basically, how many people are homeowners (= can charge at home) and how many of those are buying a car this year

c) given the natural and unavoidable decline in tesla's marketshare as more and more companies start selling (actually viable, not just compliancemobiles) EVs, and given that the number of potential EV buyers is mostly steady, see above, you would expect to see tesla's sales decline sharpy.
so, eg, if there's 1000 potential EV buyers a year, tesla initially had all 1000 to themselves. but now there's 10 companies making viable EVs, so, everything being equal, you'd expect tesla to only snag 100 of them.
tesla is very obviously beating this math, by a LOT

d) tesla also had to shut down production of the model Y for a few months to retool for the new model

e) tesla also faced and still faces very significant political backlash from elon's active involvement in politics. this is now over, and the effect is wearing off as time goes on

overall, im pretty impressed by how little decline tesla's sales have shown.

and in the end, it doesn't much matter, as tesla is very much not just a car company. they're obviously very big into the whole robotaxi thing, they're the industry leader in selfdriving (and by a ridiculous margin, if we're talking about stuff you can buy in a private car) and they're showing insane grown in the energy storage space.
there's good reasons for it being valued as high as it is, reasons that have nothing to do with whether the car sales numbers went up or down by a few %.
and i fully expect that their valuation will continue to increase in the future.

>>28819980
and yet his money keeps increasing

>>28820213
Glass is half full, half empty way of arguing here. Yes you're right that the competition is way stiffer now than a few years ago. Now just about every traditional car brand has gotten EVs off the ground and they don't such either. Still, Tesla has a HUGE lead in a number of key electric vehicle areas that by all intents and purposes should still keep them in the lead. They got outsold by VW EVs in Europe and VW EVs are terrible. The drop off in sales is not because they competition started beating Tesla, but because Elon went full retard and made a status brand into the opposite. We'll see if Tesla can recover its image in 2026 or if the board will still let coke man run amok steering the company towards disaster.

>>28820192
>Tesla is going downhill because Elon decided to endorse Orange Man
Terminally online take.
Practically no one buying a new car considers the political implications of their choice. There are much more real-world factors that play into Tesla's loss of market share than political drama, but both wings of the American political machine love to adopt these kinds of narratives because it reinforces what their base already believes.

>>28820345
>Tesla has a HUGE lead in a number of key electric vehicle areas that [...] should still keep them in the lead
they do, and it has
all of their models are the top performers in their own segment (in terms of sales), and all their models are the most efficient (in miles/kwhr) in their segment. only lucid has come close to beating tesla in efficiency.
also, their one pedal driving is still the best in the industry.

the only place where tesla has lost the lead is in charging perf, where other mfgs are straight up beating them in the charging curve department. at a significant cost, mind you, but still. im very disappointed that the CT at least doesn't do better in that dept. its not a big issue, tesla cars are still pretty quick to charge, but they do outright lose cannonball races.

>They got outsold by VW EVs in Europe
the model 3 and model y still dominate their respective segments europe wide. vw (well, the entire vag group together) did win overall, but that's pretty inevitable given the sheer number of models and segments they went for, and ofc the propaganda war and the effect of politics/patriotism/corruption in company car leases (aka germ companies preferring to lease from vag, ditto in france with renault, czech repub and skoda, etc etc.)

>the drop off in sales is not because they competition started beating Tesla, but because Elon went full retard
its definitely a huge factor, but i doubt its the biggest one. also, either way, i don't blame the guy.
his son got trooned out, ffs. he has every right to be angry and to go to war over it. if it was me, i'd have my engineers working on nuclear weapons on the down low.

>We'll see if Tesla can recover its image in 2026
anon, wake up. tesla is no longer a car company. its a software company and a battery company, and they are on their way to becoming a robotaxi company. they happen to make cars too, mostly as a way to help train their FSD software and to increase volumes for their battery business.

>>28820407
His son trooned out because his dad is a drug addict narcissist. Anyways, you make some good points otherwise so I'm not going to argue for the sake of arguing. I think it's hilarious how BMW/Volvo/Mercedes brag about pulling off the shit Tesla did in 2020. Watching that Volvo EX60 reveal had me wondering if Volvo employees live under a rock.

>>28820484
> if Volvo employees live under a rock
If that rock is an oppressive communist regime that strictly enforces limits on information and communications then yes.

>>28820192
that's what happens in a competitive market that's beginning to mature, retard lol. What you also think Apple should have total monopoly of smartphone market because they were there first? Not even Apple, no one can do that.

>>28820484
>His son trooned out because his dad is a drug addict narcissist
there's an interview where he explains that it happened because some libtard "psychologists" at his school or whatever swore to him that its real and if he doesn't consent to puberty blockers etc the kid will anhero and stuff like that
beyond that i really don't wanna comment on elon as a private person, because i don't know elon as a private person. given all the jokes/rumors/etc re:ketamine etc, im inclined to assume that there's something going on, too much smoke for there to be no fire, but whatever.
im gonna say that elon being the ceo of tesla/spacex/etc probably had something to do with it, he presumably didn't spend too much time with the kid, and if he had, there's a good chance things would've turned out differently.

>I think it's hilarious how BMW/Volvo/Mercedes brag about pulling off the shit Tesla did in 2020
late > never, but yes, they're pretty far behind.
the taycan is pretty great, drivetrain tech wise, but afaik its at a pretty huge cost. native 800v is not cheap. still tho, dat charging curve is a monster.
and i've gotta say, im thoroughly approving of GMs new strategy of "fuck it, lets just shove 200kw of bats in that beeeyatch". glad to see the 100kw glass ceiling being broken so brutally, and i look forward to more of that.
but anyway, im thinking we're reaching the point where we're converging on some good local minima. 400v packs that reconfigure to 800v for charging, ca 350kw charging, heat pumps. the way forward is clear, now we just need everyone to deliver and iterate.

>Volvo
yea, they're doomed. just like every company before them that got Chinked™ or Jeeted™
i dunno how many times the corporate world has to learn the "only StraightWhiteMen™ can produce actual value" lesson, but its at least once more.

>>28819980
A lot of people hate Elon, because they have been propagandized by the Intersectional Marxist media in the west.

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The funniest part is this is 100% because he went full trump supporter so all the EU bureaucrats told their peasants to boycott and they actually did. The power of politicans lmao.

>>28820602
>his company is losing market share because he didn't agree with my political opinions
liberal head canon is truly fascinating

>>28820605
Ah yes, we're just going to completely ignore actual facts and how Tesla sales completely tanked in Europe falling Trump's election and Elon going wild for supporting him.

We're just going to also ignore all the articles that came out around the same time calling him out for it.

It was totally not politically driven!!! The head canon of a peasant who is blissfully ignorant to reality!

>>28820610
Yeah, you don't think that had anything to do with Trump's tariffs and the European brands finally releasing EVs that can compete with Tesla?
>but muh mainstream media news article
No, clearly it's because European leaders didn't like that Elon Musk endorsed Donald Trump and they all told their citizens to boycott Tesla in their weekly EU meeting. What an idiot I am!

EVs are for fuckin faggots

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>>28819980

Kek

>>28819980
funny how my brother used to work there 2 years ago and quit within few months told me that its only matter of time for tesla to go down thanks to its incompetent upper managers who gets nothing done. also apparently some jeet in those upper management backstabbed my brother and took his credits.

Lmao

>>28819980
Tesla is garbage and their drivers are brain dead retards

>>28820602
euros are true goycattle

>>28820192
dont worry he's gonna save the brand by taking what should have been called the model E, rebranding it into the robo-taxi, and charging a subscription instead of letting people buy it!

>>28820094
>Democrats hated it because communism.
lmao they loved Tesla you retard. Elon was in marvel movies, the liberal elite all bought teslas. Who do you think is responsible for the fucking funding and tax credit that made Tesla possible lmfao

Good these things are fucking hideous and people need to stop buying them

>>28823792
The tax credits were made before Tesla even made a car. It was created for Ford, GM, Chrysler during the economic crash of the 2008-2009 era to push forward an incentives for those 3 companies. Those 3 companies took in ~100 billion dollars (they've further doubled that subsidy since then) together during that time from the government and they havent repaid them back. Chrysler even went bankrupt. It was a subsidy to the legacy car makers to keep the union paying jobs.

Tesla coming out was just to take advantage of what was given to the big 3 automakers. They stole their lunch. And the senators got extremely mad at Tesla so they banned Teslas from half the states from being sold and serviced in America.

>>28823815
>And the senators got extremely mad at Tesla so they banned Teslas from half the states from being sold and serviced in America.
Lmao anon, which states were hostile to Tesla again? You're performing mental gymnastics when everyone and their dog knows that electric vehicles are predominately bought by leftists and programs promoting them are also predominately leftist.

>>28823825
https://fortune.com/2025/04/28/elon-musk-tesla-sales-new-york-state-government/

You're a youngling. Tesla is currently banned in half the US states from being sold. Further for the other half of the states, half of them have extreme restrictions on Teslas being sold and serviced. Only handful of states allow Teslas to be sold and serviced. And many states want to ban Teslas from being sold all together. And currently due to Trump politics, Teslas are once again being considered for being banned instates that they do have restrictions and agreements in place. They want to void the agreement and ban Teslas from being serviced and sold.

>>28823825
https://www.wpr.org/news/tesla-wisconsin-court-blocking-opening-dealerships

>>28823833
>>28823829
These are both cases of post-election anti-musk policies. They are not evidence against fact that leftists are by far the biggest supporters of electric cars. You call me young, but you've entirely forgotten the conservative hysteria over Tesla. Almost every single state where Tesla's single point of sale is prohibited are conservative states.

>>28823836
>conservative hysteria over Tesla
No such thing. Tesla back then was a tiny company that barely sold few thousands of EVs. EV buyers are actually fairly close in politics. The only conservative issue was oil politics, whether or not they'd be taxed to hell or not. And questions about why they should be giving money to companies when they could have normal market decide. Ofc oil is subsidized heavily, so that argument is junk on the face.

>https://fox59.com/automotive/are-evs-finally-crossing-the-political-divide/
>Among current EV owners, 54% are Democrats, while 30% are Republicans. Plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) owners show a similar trend, with 60% identifying as Democrats and 26% as Republicans. These figures highlight a gradual but noticeable shift towards a more balanced political representation among EV enthusiasts.

54 v 30 isn't that huge. 5 liberal EVs for 3 conservative EVs.

>>28819980
They just killed the Model S and X
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/28/tesla-ending-model-s-x-production.html

>>28824433
very surprising for me
$5 says the plan is to replace the S with the upcoming roadster and the X with some suv based on the cybertruck platform

>>28824548
The roadster he promised is physically impossible.

He's converting the Fremont factory to make robots.

>>28824556
>The roadster he promised is physically impossible.
yea, i very much doubt it will have rockets or levitate or anything of the sort.
beyond that, i don't see a reason why the rest of it can't happen.

>He's converting the Fremont factory to make robots.
not sure how much of a market there is in that, but we'll see what the stock market thinks tomorrow...

>>28819980
>US got rid of ev subsidies
>EU delays their ICE bans
>Tesla magically shrinks
No shit. Tesla's stock is basically rich retards betting on ICE bans. Every step away from it(carrot and a stick got pulled back in this case) is an indicator that it's not happening.

>>28822444
>also apparently some jeet in those upper management backstabbed my brother and took his credits.
Elon loves jeets because a) they're cheap; b) due to their caste culture, they don't contradict him, regardless of how retarded he's acting.
They are absolutely toxic to company culture due to their cliquish, grifting behavior. But Elon don't care, as long as his asshole is nicely tongued by his handpicked sycophants.

>>28820085
That's like saying Netflix is dead because they used to have 90% of the streaming markey and now have like 40%

>>28819980
Electric cars were too woke for Elon for years now. Ever since his daughter transitioned, he has regretted founding Tesla, and wanted to shut it down since forever

>>28820008
>Europe's EV sales are now dominated by VW Group.
Which discontinued the id Buzz because it was a flop.

>>28820192
>YoY despite the BEV market growing at an exponential rate
Demand for them is stagnant. It's already reached its market cap/saturation. Demand for NEW cars overall is pretty flat due overall.
EVs have the added issue of depreciating faster, so the used prices for them are absurdly low.

>>28824556
Roadster is April. That will be their new flagship model.

>>28824995
Who wants a camper bus, a thing meant for long road trips, that can only go 200 miles on a flat road on a summer's day?
ID Buzz was a retarded idea. EVs should exclusively target the commuter and city car markets.

Loool

>>28819997
are you just a dumb shitskin that has no idea how business works? tesla sells their cars directly to customers, having chinese cars would let some of you dumb monkeys play salesman at a dealer instead of letting jeets remotely sell teslas for tesla

>>28819980
>tesla is dead
>Currently worth $1,600,000,000,000

>>28820192
Lefties are so dumb lll. ‘He doesn’t agree with me politically I can’t buy a product associated with that!’

Stupid and funny. Impossible standard to hold. Just shows how emotional bourgeois they are at the end of the day. Musk may have miscalculated that his products were a virtue signal product

lol

when tesla first came out it sold prestige. Now the cars look like chinese copy of korien cars