It's too expensive

>>28823347
For approximately 100 a month more, you could buy a base giulia
For approximately 100 a month less, you could buy a base 2 series
Both will be faster and more comfortable, both have superior brand cachet, at least one has more cargo capacity, and both will have fewer recalls and warranty visits

prelude more like pretend it does not exist lol

>>28823347
It's kinda based if it were cheaper, if Honda made the Civic sport 2.0L NA motor with dual axis type r struts, my dick would be hard and I'd have to go get car payment.

I like it, but I wouldn't buy one. What I would totally buy is a lifted AWD Trailsport Civic wagon

>>28823349
>Stellantis car
Now I know you're just shitposting

>>28823347
>same 0-60 time as my 25 year old econobox
Gee I wonder why lol. Also what the fuck is the point of an engine you can't rev in neutral or park?

Honda is just using the Prelude as a test subject to see if they can make hybrid cars fun. Whatever they learn will be applied to other cars

>>28823360
Wasn't that the whole point of the CR-Z?

>>28823368
This, the only badass hybrid they made was the NSX, and that was a $157,000 car, which means you better come with a stupid quick 0-60 time for people to care, and still no one cared about the new NSX, even though it was actually awesome.

>>28823372
It's very good, it's just not an NSX

I kind of like the idea of a practical coupe returning to the masses.
Young people don't need four doors, a 2 door coupe looks cooler
The thing is, you need to make the coupe CHEAPER than the 4 door sedan for fucks sake. Just get rid of the "sportiness" (not that the prelude is sporty at all) and go all in on just making a civic hybrid coupe that looks cool, for like $30k max.

>>28823347
$42000 for a 2 door hatchback with the engine, transmission, and interior of the $34000 civic sport touring hybrid hatchback; and the suspension and brakes of a $46000 civic type r.
If you like the inside you can get the same thing for $8000 less.
If you like the handling and braking you can get a hundred more horsepower and a 6spd for $4000 more.

>>28823347
I'm not sure who this is for. It's too expensive and slower than a brz/frs. If they had put the type-R drivetrain in it with an optional stick it would have sold like hotcakes.

>>28823382
I wish they'd done the CR-Z thing and removed the rear seats, cheaped out on the brakes, suspension, and seats (cloth, forget the weird asymmetrical seating, no power adjust, no heat), given it smaller tires for more efficiency and less stability, and sold it price comparable to the Civic Sport Touring (34k).
Basically I just wanted a Civic hybrid coupe, and I would have paid even money to lose features vs the sedan.
Also they need to take the wiper fluid nozzles off the arms and put on the hood where they can be defrosted and kept warm by the engine. This is day one shit and they fucked it up, for shame.

>>28823404
I like the idea but can't remove the rear seats IMO.
a 2+2 coupe which is perfect for 95% of situations for young people, and somewhat adequate for the remaining 5% is what people need

>>28823347
>prius coupe at home

>>28823347
I'm gonna buy one next month.

>>28823347
At least toyota is re-using the front end of these things for a sports car

>>28823368
The CRZ was just a retarded attempt to make a hybrid CRX.

>>28823420
Serious question, why?
For example, brz/86 is
>rear wheel drive
>manual
>faster
>costs 10k less
And for 40k, you can buy a CTR or base mustang gt.

YOU NOW OWN HONDA MOTORS
you can make whatever cars you want
you are in charge of making a NEW prelude
it will have a new interior, a new platform, a new engine, whichever features you want it to
what would your IDEAL prelude look and drive like?

>>28823444
This new one would honestly be okay for like 28-30k

>>28823450
Even if were offered at such a prices, the Stealerships would add 5-10k anyways. I heard the regular Civic was going for over MSRP regularly anyways.

The best thing the government could do is make it so consumers can buy cars in all 50 states direct from the manufacturer and dealers should just become service shops.

>>28823444
It would be Acura TLX with two doors chopped off, the wheelbase shortened slightly like an old Accord coupe and run a 273HP 2.0T engine, and have all the double wishbone and sunroof like a Prelude is supposed to, the problem is it wouldn't be looking toward the future, Honda are supposed to be the ones having fun when fuel economy and emissions cucks us like in the 70s and 80s, and things are moving towards hybrid, Honda wants to be ahead of the game with fun hybrids when we get to the point where a V6 or turbski 4 are gone, it's bad enough american companies can still barely into economy car after all this time, they're not gonna have a clue what's going on when the future is a 2.0L 4 cylinder engine with a hybrid setup, meanwhile Honda will be there with their nicely built car, with their nice driving dynamics, and it's gonna put it all over everyone.

>>28823444
>use the current civic interior layout for everything
>Ridgeline/Passport/Pilot/CRV/HRV all get a common RWD/AWD twincharged v6 platform with only a 7 to 9 speed torque converter, hybrid optional
>Civic/Accord/Prelude get their own FWD turbo 4 platform, 7 to 9 speed torque converter or 6 speed manual usable, hybrid optional on torque converter
>add optional rear wheel steer to this low COG platform
>position prelude as halfway between civic SI and type R, but with rear steer
>VTEC is now a separate drive mode that deliberately makes the power band all silly for fun
>it's not the standard drive mode, silly, that would mean it's considered in fuel economy and emissions testing!
>take current prelude extended range EV concept and make Acura use it in fucking everything
>RDX/MDX/ADX/TLX/Integra all get a range extended EV drivetrain
>if it works out then we gradually plan to move nearly all honda products to that, depending on regulatory restrictions
>if things go well bring the S2000 back as a reward/passion project for our engineers

>>28823349
>>28823356
giulia is a way nicer car than this. This is supposed to be a poser car you take girls out on dates with. So it should be CHEAPER than the equivalent looking sports car.
However, it's the same price as a Civic Type R, a 400Z, and many other much better cars, while being slow as fuck, EV, and gay.

>>28823541
>This is supposed to be a poser car you take girls out on dates with.
Why did they make it look gay then?

>>28823570
girls like gay cars, thats why they're gay

>>28823444
I would sink the company with a rwd coupe that has a manual vtec v8 and dual wishbones all round for £19k otr

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>another daily prelude post

Chevy puts out a volt coupe for $76k and no one bats an eye. Honda puts out a civic hybrid coupe for $43k and everyone loses their fucking minds.

So what's the obession with the Prelude? They only producing what, like ~1500 of these for the US? Good chance the average person will never ever see one of these in their lives. Why are there more threads about this car than the amount of units they will ever ever exist?

>>28823612
If they gave it a new namesake nobody would care. But it being called "prelude" and being an overpriced hybrid shitbox that's just mid is making a bunch of genxers rightfully mad

>>28823623
The Preludes have historically always been overpriced shitboxes. People only liked them and remember them fondly because they were rare and looked cooler than the cheaper Accords with the same specs.

>>28823636
What pisses me off the most is that they had 25 years to figure it out and still made it an overpriced shitheap.

>>28823570
Girls like dick and liking dick is gay

>>28823612
Chevy put out a volt coupe under their luxury brand for a silly price and nobody bought one.
Honda brought back a classic nameplate a civic hybrid 3 door for 8k more than a civic hybrid 5 door and nobody is going to buy them.
Honda can't even push it to their luxury brand like GM did because they already did the Integra. And the Integra does it better than the Prelude because the Integra's two engines are Civic Si 1.5l turbo or the civic type r engine.

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>>28823347
this is better in every way

>>28823347
The price is the only issue, as this is a base model. IF HMA wanted to, there could be a SiR or the likes
'97 MSRP: 23,595 USD
If you were to have bought either the 'lude in '97 or equivalent value of Ag, the silver would be sitting around half a million.
Truth is the price only sucks because the dollar does. That aside, as mentioned above somewhere, a 2.0T non-k20c1 (like the c3 or c4) would be welcomed with open arms, and maybe even at the current msrp. Likely paired with an 8 speed dct. I do believe the intent of this vehicle is not a flop, it is spot on for the target audience. In typical HMA fashion, we're not the target audience

>>28823347
too expensive, no niche

>>28823742
SLOWER than nulude
still fwd

>>28823763
the aesthetic is 100 times nicer than the hyundai korean poop cars

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>people keep shouting for cool cars
>after years brands sort of release something KINDA catering to that demand
>put retarded price tag on it and some other aspects that they _know_ would keep buyers away

>pull pikachu face once no one fucking buys

WHY
IS
IT
ALWAYS
LIKE
THAT

>>28823347
It flopped because these are $50k+ and closer to $60k at most dealerships.

For a car that is functionally the same as the Civic Hybrid. Like literally the same drivetrain.

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

The Japanese have a serious and extreme issue when it comes to traditionalism, they're SO SCARED to make any real change, to ever take a chance , so they recook and release the same boring bullshit year after year after year. I dont know what their obsession is with staying at 200 HP but the car could have genuinely been "Good enough" if they actually made it RWD and 300+ HP.

>>28823596
Absolutely based
>S5000 with 5.0L displacement in a 3000lb RWD coupe

>>28823819
It's regulations Anon, that's why I believe Honda needs to not bring back these models, because it just can't be the same car, you look at the Honda Accord, it's a slow ass fuel efficient thing now just as it was back in the 90s when they had the CB7, well compare that you the 7000 rpm, oil burning, BB6 prelude, they could never make that again due to emissions, the character of the car cannot be made now, the people who loved it will not like the new one, but someone who had a 90s or 2000s Honda Accord, drove it as an NPC would be in hog heaven with a brand new hybrid Honda, it would be an upgrade, where the new Prelude which barely revs to 6000 rpm is a let down to people who had an old BB6.

>>28823347
>slower than the civic
>worse mpg than the civic hyrbid
>smaller than the civic aka not practical
>handles the same as the civic
>no manual option, unlike the civic
>15-20k more than the civic
Why would anybody buy this?

>>28823849
Im honestly surprised this car ever got out of a focus group because I would have stood up and said all of those things.

I feel like this has got to be the passion project of some high up Exec because there is no fucking way.

>>28823844
>someone who had a 90s or 2000s Honda Accord, drove it as an NPC would be in hog heaven with a brand new hybrid Honda, it would be an upgrade
False. I had a 2003 EX-V6 Accord. Loved that car to death. It finally kicked the bucket so I obviously went and bought a new Accord Hybrid. This car sucks ass. It has no driver feel, no power, and too many bells and whistles getting in the way of just being a pleasant thing to drive. It gets me from point A to point B and it uses a lot less fuel, but I don't love it like I did my old Accord.

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>>28823347
>$50k
>a hybrid
>literally same HP as the last model

Why wouldnt I just buy a well maintained last gen and save like $40k

>>28823849
That's kinda how the old prelude was Anon, it weighed more than a Civic, wasn't a practical Honda Accord, cost way more than both of them, could never handle like a Civic because it's really a GT, production was low, and eventually got discontinued foe these reasons, it's easy to love the Prelude now as a classic car, but we're talking $48,000+ in 2001 dollars, that's an expensive car that isn't that good for what they want for it.

>>28823855
I will admit the based 2003-2007 Accords do have the most insane feedback ever from a car meant to be comfy and save fuel, but the fundamentals are still there on a brand new one, people are still buying Accords because it is still fuel efficient and good

>>28823819
its not cool its just copying korean garbage. 90s styles were infinitely better

>>28823871
It's the closest thing we'll get to "cool" these days.

>>28823878
simply dont buy new. restore an older car it'll cost less and stand out compared to this generic shit

>>28823352
Lmao more like PreLube for Hondas bug girthy low Value Add

>>28823742
The thing I miss most from old cars is their cheery faces. Even sporty cars had them. Why does every car need to look like it's angry and scowling for the past 15+ years? All it'd take is changing the frown of the grill back into a smile.

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>went back to shift buttons
I thought Honda was over this stupid trend. Why'd they bring them back?

>>28823349
>alfa
>bmw
>less repair work needed than a Honda

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>>28823897
>their cheery faces. Even sporty cars had them
Kek it's so ironic that pic rel with that stupid fucking smiling face has a more ideal suspension setup with sway bars on it than a brand new expensive car with a mean grille

>>28823347
The car is itself is far too expensive to justify it's confused existence. It's trying hard to target the accord coupe audience while being a to be the civic coupe and priced as a type R. It's Honda desperatly throwing shit at the wall because the loss of the civic coupe completly lost them an entire market segment they dominated before

>>28823444
I would be very clear that this is mean to be a GT experience car and not a sports car, give the base model a 2.0ltr engine and a manual, and then give the more expensive model this shit.

>>28823830
That is another issue that is killing the prelude. Honda dealerships have become the new Nissan dralerships after Nissan raped dealers for what they did initially to the new z.

Honda made the same mistake they made with the Integra, NSX, and CR-Z. they did the opposite of the 86/brz and tried to make what the actual car was instead of what car buyers remember it as. The 86/brz was made to be the all day sports car that could go from the track and the grocery store, when the original AE86 was just a grocery getter that happened to have good weight-distribution. Image if we went back and time and Toyota hyped up the successor of the AE86, only to then reveal the corolla hatchback.

>>28823372
>even though it was actually awesome
Have you driven one? I've heard nothing but bad things from enthusiasts.

all they had to do is put the electric motor on the rear axle

>>28823961
This. I don't get why Honda hates AWD so much.

>>28823913
Than a first year nameplate with specialized transmission logic? Yeah I'll take the euro cars with ancient platforms any day

>>28823934
>original AE86 was just a grocery getter that happened to have good weight-distribution. Image if we went back and time and Toyota hyped up the successor of the AE86, only to then reveal the corolla hatchback.
I'll admit they're totally different cars, but you don't know shit. 130 HP(fine the US version only made like 110), limited slip differential, disc brakes all around, that was a proper hatchback by mid 80s standards. 4 cylinder grocery getters like the base corolla itself were making more like 70-80 HP.

>>28823987
Honda hates AWD because there's extra losses, having the weight of the motor and tranny ontop of the drivewheels without a long driveshaft and diff to make extra loss is the ideal setup, especially for an automatic 4 cylinder econobox, that's why most of Honda's lineup is CVT, you get better economy just infinitely adjusting ratio of the transmission, than you would wasting time fucking around pressing the clutch and moving the gear lever, and the loss it has over direct drive manual trans is minimal due to trannyverse FWD

>>28823996
That was a grocery getter anon, the upper trim one, but still a grocery getter. You are comparing what higher trim meant back then to right now.

>>28823444
fuck the prelude, i will make 3 door civic hatchbacks

>>28824000
but putting the electric motor on the other side of the car doesn't make a difference for efficiency, other than mild reduction in peak regen potential

>>28824040
It makes a difference in packaging, having the whole drivetrain in the front of the car is how Honda was able to do a takeover of the economy car segment in the first place, you make an engine and tranny, bolt those pieces of shit together, and slam it into a Civic as the rest of it is going together, boom next thing you know you're making over 21,000 civics a month, 21,000 good quality, pleases most of the market cars that work and people actually want.

>>28824045
you just take a body, a regular petrol civic front, and a modified rear subframe with the motors in it
most of the car is still standard, battery is turned 180 degrees to have wires come out of the other side, minimal investment

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It flopped because it's another name resurrected from Millennial childhood culture and slapped on a shitbox EV nannymobile, compliance car or crossover SUV and Honda was hoping to capitalize on that sweet Millennial nostalgia now that we're all old and depressed and longing for the only period of our lives where we had any stability or happiness.

MegaCorp America is riding a wave of selling us our childhoods back to us at a huge markup and it sucks.

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>>28824057
This. The Prelude and Integra should've stayed dead. These are not the triumphant return of childhood dream cars, just shitty rebranded Civics, the both of them.

>>28824069
The Integra was always a rebodied civic

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>>28824075
And yet it went so much further. Honda changed almost everything about the Civic when making the old Integras.
Park a modern Integra next to an 11th gen Civic and you'll be hard pressed to find any differences between them besides the badge and the fancier toys inside. The drive is identical.

>>28823347
>It flopped.
I love it

>>28823911
Honda only went back to shifters for the North American market (and maybe Europe?). Because every Prelude is made in Japan, they use buttons like all the domestic models still do.
>>28824085
Bread on hood.

>>28824083
>moving goalposts

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>>28824097
No. The problem with the modern Integra is underneath the fancy toys and lighting, it's literally just a Civic, not even one of the zippier Hybrid ones, just a base model.
The old Integra had a new engine, suspension upgrades, was made lighter and more rigid to turn the Civic into a proper sports car.
The current Integra is just an 11th gen Civic with a bass-boosted sound system, a ricer body kit and some flashy LEDs that show up on the ground when you open the door.
If you want a sporty Civic, get a Type R for nearly the same price because the Integra isn't it and the old Integra was.

>>28824111
>The old Integra had a new engine, suspension upgrades, was made lighter and more rigid to turn the Civic into a proper sports car.
Maybe if you keep the rose tinted glasses on and only remember the high trim Integras like the GS-R and Type R.

>>28824111
It's only a rebadged Civic if you're a retard and buy the base model.
The Type S is exactly like the old Integra.

>>28824069
Honda needs a new design team. These muscle-car wannabe designs look like shit.

>Brembo brakes on a 200hp hybrid
c'mon man
>>28823387
plus all of this

>>28824138
>c'mon man
It could fuck on the canyons if you throw some 200TW tires on there, you don't need a lot of horsepower to be a hero.

>>28823347
Honda is actually retarded if they thought that anyone would willingly buy an hybrid auto only front wheel drive coupe solely because it has the same name as an older car

>>28824196
Honda got Americans to move away from their retarded fuel sucking V8s as daily drivers in an era where the idea of a 4 cylinder engine was the cringe, and pretty much the end of the world when it comes to cars as we knew them, it's obvious 4 cylinder with a hybrid is the future of cars no matter what it is, economical or sport, they are premiering hybrid sport the same way Honda premiered power steering on a car with the Prelude, that's why it's called a Prelude, it's "features coming soon to a Honda near you"

>>28824200
They're using the drivetrain from the Civic Hybrid, they're not premiering shit

>>28824203
It's not the default engine yet Anon, Civics are Accords are still primarily straight gasoline engines, so seeing a coupe on the civic platform rocking brembos and a Type R derived suspension in the same lineup as the FL5 Civic is pretty unusual, because it is the future of cars, we will get to the point where everyone will have 2.0L or smaller engine hybrid setups, and Honda is going to fucking destroy everyone because theirs will feel the best to drive.

Feels like 85% of Americans wouldn't even fit in one

>>28824208
I think the premiering feature is the S+ thing where the generator (ICE Engine) output can be adjusted to anticipate motor power demand either by the driver or by sensors.
One reviewer said something along the lines of holding down the shift paddle makes it up/down "shift" on it's own by reading g-forces.

>>28824231
>up/down "shift" on it's own by reading g-forces.
I think that's such a badass feature that it just downshifts when you're braking into a corner, on my automatic I briefly slam on the gas to make it downshift rev match and then lock in 2nd gear to get that engine braking, and then when going fast out I just put it back into D

>>28824233
That is the "Myxal Two-Step" - lift and slam after the rpm settles

>>28823348
It's too slow, too. ~60k for a car that gets left behind by pickup trucks.
>>28823349
>Alfa
>BMW
>More reliable
el em ay oh.

>>28824265
Kek I didn't even know this was a thing autofags did, I thought it was me being retarded but it works, at least it doesn't ruin the trans and rest of the car like a based neutral drop would.

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>>28823914
The 7th gen Accord was a hell of a car. If they still made them exactly as they were, I'd buy another in heartbeat.
It always looked happy and was perfect for any occasion.

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>>28824281
Same, they should all be preserved for being so fantastic, mine finally needs catalytic converter at 22 years old (still runs perfect of course), and I just ordered it without blinking because you can't buy such lovely driving dynamics in an everyday car these days.

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>>28824286
Mine unfortunately had a rusted out chassis, multiple oil leaks, and a busted cat.
It's been over a year and I still miss it so much. I probably wouldn't if modern cars weren't so shit to drive, but that's the world we live in.
Keep it running anon, there's no replacement for cars like these anymore.

>>28824297
Thanks Anon, I am happy to live in an arrea without salt and will maintain this as long as possible, while these are worthless ass cars right now, I do foresee people wishing they had one many years down the road when they're mostly gone, lots of young people currently have or have had one, I once had a guy at cars at coffee walk up to me because I had the same weird ass DX trim he did in college and he thought it was the best car ever at the time, so they do have their own fan club.

>>28823991
eCVTs have been around for a while (in the Prius) and afaik have no inherent reliability issues like their shitty belt driven cousins

>>28824343
Honda's is different, not continuously variable at all and less efficient because of it, and they don't put air filters on their battery air intakes. We'll see how that works out for them long-term.

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>>28824343
This. I will never buy a CVT as long as I live. eCVTs are acceptable. They're a proven technology with rock hard reliability.

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>>28823347
It's a personal luxury coupe, style over function. Don't compare it to sports cars, compare it to the chrysler cordoba from 1975
>2 door
>looks cool
>handles aight
>medium price
>shit back seat
>big trunk
>automatic tranny
Still, it loses on all accounts, except in the domains of fuel efficiency and (immediate) reliability. The 51 year old car is more comfortable, cheaper, has a sunroof/t-top option, and has POWER SEATS. I'll take the rusty old car instead thank you very much.

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>>28824368
Honda's system has been in use for over 12 years now. It's provenly reliable.

>>28824268
My 2021 giulia has had 0 issues.
My parents had a 2010 CRV that blew its transmission within a couple months that was replaced under warranty. Then in 2020 had more transmission issues and kept going into limp mode. It was shit. Only had 75k miles.

>>28824141
I mean you only need a 22 to an hero

>>28824376
Meanwhile I've had a '08 CR-V since new (150K miles of mixed hilly mountain road / highway driving) that maintenance aside I've only seriously wrenched on it once to replace a faulty VTEC solenoid after 120K miles.

>>28823347
Color me shocked.

>>28824368
If it's anything like the new hybrid Civic the eCVT has 2 modes, one that has an infinite gear (like normal CVTs) and another mode that simulates gears. It's all variably controlled by an electric motor, the tranny itself is all gears and clutches. Not pure planetary gear based like Toyota eCVT but still proven reliable in the Accord, I think if they had a problem with the clutch packs they would've solved it by now.

>>28823934
I think a lot of the hate would have been absolved in this case if it had a manual transmission, or pseudomanual. The cvt only did damage here.

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>>28823421
The new Camry looks very similar

>>28824690
Good god Camrys are ugly motherfuckers, but man are they smooth when I get a Camry uber.

>>28823349
>citing cost in monthly payment
OOF
DEALERKEKED

>>28824733
Kek, fucking crazy how paymentfags live their lives, you can sell em depreciating shitboxes over and over for hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of their lives, and they'll do it as long as the payment fits in their budget.

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>>28824690
The Prelude looks like a Toyota that looks like a Ferrari that looks like the Prelude.

>>28824755
>tfw new mustang literally ripping off the based 11th gen Accord
Is the car industry just everyone ripping each other off? I'm wondering if they're just using prompts to generate x category of car that satisfies xyx saftey and fuel regulations in the AI and whatever it spits out, they make it, it's my only explanation because everything AI makes is a crude imitation of stuff that exists.

>>28824559
Can't believe it's not even offered with a manual option. It's a lot more stylish than a Type R or Si, but why would you ever buy it over one of those?

>>28824762
>Is the car industry just everyone ripping each other off?
Always has been. Once a certain car gets popular, everybody else will start to copy it's design. It's why cars from a certain decade can typically all be lumped together just by design alone even if you don't know cars.

>>28823940
Not him, but I heard they’re surprisingly good at autocross so low speed and quick transitions are some of its strengths despite being a heavier car

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>>28824762
Yes. In the 2000s everyone was copying BMW’s design. When the R8 came out everyone copied Audis drl leds and angry eyes.
The Chinese market loved big grilled.
Then everyone started doing Tesla minimalism and slant eyes. Which is also conveniently much cheaper than the BMW flame surface bent creases sheet metal.
Whats deeply annoying is the cheaper thing is accepted with out the price savings being passed to consumers AND the flame surface crinkle was developed becuase safety regulations made cars giant soap bars and it broke up the huge surface area to hide it better.
Now we just save giant soap bars with squinty eyes everywhere

>>28824728
99% of photographers insist on shooting cars from the perspective of a 2 yr. old which makes this design look angrier than it is. Looks prettier in person.

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>>28823911
While the whole interior is just bad and low effort the instrument cluster is criminally awful.

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>>28825021
>Now we just save giant soap bars with squinty eyes everywhere
truer words have never been spoken

>>28825021
It's amazing how much uglier the C8 is

>>28823911
Think I'd rather have the Civic with an actual shifter.
And for a lot less money.

>>28823347
It's going to flop, but not because it's a bad car. It's overpriced, but it is one of the cheaper options if you want a car that has any sort of 'wow factor' at all. The Prelude has rizz. It looks like a sportscar, femoids don't care that is has a 7.5 second 0-60. What options do you have if you want a car that doesn't look generic? It's basically a BRZ, a Miata, or this.

But the main reason the car is going to flop is we are in an economic depression. Young people don't have the money for a car like this. Old people are going to want something more upscale.

>>28827261
>Young people don't have the money for a car like this
This, a huge chunk of the young people barely have the money for a base Civic or an Accord, I see so many people that are basically going broke, barely getting by over a fucking Camry or some other mundane vehicle, but they technically "can afford it" because they swung the payment.

We're basically living in a depression, but the line hasn't gone down yet like 2008 or 1929 so it's technically all good, who cares if everyone's poor? WSJ hasn't said anything so fuck it.

>>28827261
Yeah, it's "for more mature drivers that appreciate a GT" but basically every 50+ I've ever talked to says low cars are a pain in the ass.

>>28827264
Everybody under 45 is broke as fuck, but stock market is ok, so times are good goy :)

>>28827269
That's wassup, the klarna burgers are on me, pham.

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>>28827228
This. What the fuck were they thinking going back to the buttons? Absolute worst car trend of the 2010s and I thought Honda was over it.

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>>28826105
I prefer the Civic Sport's half digital half analog dash. It looks way cleaner and no matter what companies try to do, they can't get the needle of a fake analog speedo to move as smooth as a real one. Shame Honda only puts in on their low end cars. The Civic Hybrid is the most expensive trim you can get it on.

The Japs are so out of touch with enthusiasts cars in the US market and have been for at least 15+ years now.

The prelude is pathetic, most dealers want $50k+. Thats a HARD fucking sell when I can get a brand new 5.0 Mustang with 480 HP for less that is an actual proper RWD sports car. Imagine some retard buy a prelude and gets destroyed in a race. Like it would be no contest, a fucking 300 HP V6 Chrysler minivan would literally win from a roll!

>>28827973
>Imagine some retard buy a prelude and gets destroyed in a race
I don't think anybody buying a Prelude is doing any racing.

>>28827975
Then why does it have Brembos? What the point in putting those on the car?

>>28827981
Because boomers will look at that and be liek "Brembo brakes!? Woah, that's high end!"
The Prelude is a GT car, designed for taking leisurely Sunday drives, not racing.

>>28827986
Boomers aren't buying preludes you dumb millennial, it's retarded weeb millennials who are.

>>28827989
Same difference. The Prelude is not being purchased by people who have more than cursory knowledge about cars. They've heard of Brembo, they have no idea why a car would have Brembo brakes.

>>28827994
Why are you girls duscussing said car then?

>>28823349
Same as a Toyota GR86 or an MX5, and both of those are RWD and have available manuals. I have no idea what Honda built the prelude to compete with. Its a sporty looking FWD slushbox hybrid that isn't quick at all and comes with a heavy price tag. Inexplicable.

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>>28827999
>a sporty looking FWD slushbox hybrid that isn't quick at all and comes with a heavy price tag
Trips of truth
You literally just described almost the entire japanese "'car' market"

>>28823819
It isn't always like this
Toyota has kept the FRS/86 for over a decade now and gave us a Bupra with a manual transmission and inline 6
It's only Honda can't help but continuously shoot themselves in the foot pushing new tech like hybrids and CVTs in "sports cars" while putting power to the wrong set of wheels

>>28827999
The Prelude should've at least been a manual. To not even have it as an option is pants on head retarded. Do they know the type of people looking for this type of car?

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>>28828009
>Do they know the type of people looking for this type of car?
weeblet ricelet stancelet slowfaglet boyracelets?

>>28828014
If the Prelude was a 3 door Type R, I'd buy one in an instant, even at the premium. This things a piece of shit as it is, nobody should consider it over an Si, or even a Civic Hybrid.

>>28828009
Nobody wants manuals outside of a few people. The Golf dropped the manual altogether, nobody was buying them outside of the US.

>>28828025
>outside of the US
But I thought America was the only place manuals didn't sell because they're too stupid to drive them? I heard EVERYBODY in Europe and Asia drives manuals.

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>>28828024
??
They're all the same 100hp fag-wheel drive uglyslowgay pikachu bullshits

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>>28828048
315hp, but I will give you they're ugly, at least the modern ones.

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>>28828063
Oops, *315hp fag-wheel drive uglyslowgay pikachu bullshits
with gay eps and ipad dash

Why not just get an actually good car? Something like an N54 335i
https://youtu.be/9d3MdqMFSmI?t=638
>tastelet fag lives where it snows
>owns a gay miata and gay wrx because tastelet
>wrx is TOO SLOW LOL
The recommendation?
>"E90 335i xdrive"
>"fuck yeah!"
>"'300ish horsepower'--more like 350"
>"rear biased gay-wheel drive system that allows you to be sideways at all times and helps you hold drifts"
>"and a manual"
>"I'm not one for turbo cars, but that N54 was fuckin' INSANE. That was a GREAT engine!"

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>>28828067
>first car I ever drove was a Honda Civic
>first car I bought was a Honda Civic
>current car is a Honda Civic
I'm just gonna stick with what I know. I only use my car to go to work and home anyway.

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>>28828078
Why are you even on this board?

>>28828028
In the US manuals bought by enthusiasts. But in the rest of the world, it wasn't special, so nobody gives a fuck. The fact is modern manuals are slower and less efficient, they are obsolete in everything besides 'driving feel'. Europoors and Asians don't really love manuals the way American car autists do.

>>28828028
That's because in most parts of Europe and Asia, driving for most people is a recreational hobby and/or luxury. The vast majority of normal people get around using their functioning and usable municipal public transit. For commuters, most businesses don't offer parking for employees so driving dailying a car makes little sense for most people.

>>28828081
Because despite everything I have interest in cars. I just love Civics above all others.
I still remember crying when I was 8 years old and my parents were selling the family CR-X to the scrap yard.

>>28828081
At least he's not driving a crossover or a koreaslop.

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>>28828085
Just because you like something doesn't make it good
You're essentially saying "my grandpa drank bud light, my dad drank bud light, so i sure as fuck am gonna drink bud light! This also makes me interested in beer and food as a whole, I simply PREFER the swill!!"
>>28828086
They're all the same uglyslowgay 3/4cylinderlet pikachu bullshits

>>28828009
A manual what? The car doesn't have a transmission, it's an EV with a gas powered generator. What is the manual going to do, let you control how much power is diverted from recharging the battery to driving the wheel? Wait that's literally what the S+ shift mode does.

>>28828091
Civics are fine cars. The best? No, maybe not, but I still like them and Honda has yet to put out a Civic that I didn't like.
I would buy the Prelude if it had a manual transmission, but they didn't, so I'll stick with my current Si.

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>>28828097
Kek you don't know shit about what makes something a good car you've literally only driven fuckin civics your whole life

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>>28828094
Obviously the manual wouldn't have been a hybrid.
You can get a new Civic with this new fangled hybrid EV system, or you can get it with a CVT, or with a manual transmission.
Or maybe they could've used the Prelude as their chance to revive the CR-Z

>>28828101
I've driven plenty of other cars, I just prefer Civics. I've never driven a friend or family member's car and thought "Damn, I like this more than my Civic!".

>>28828102
> used the prelude as their chance to revive the crz
Why would they want to bring back a car that didn't sell?

>>28828105
Because hybrids are now the only way to make a small car anymore thanks to CAFE.

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>>28828103
See >>28828091 again
Your friends and family are assuredly tastelets as well; why woukd they have chosen a good car lol

>>28828106
Is it also cafe regulations to have to have gay eps and faggy ipad touchscreens?

>>28828097
Civics are literally the worst car ever made.
Sure they're cheap and reliable, but is that really why you buy a car? Anybody with an interest in cars wouldn't ever consider the Civic a "fine" car.

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>>28828102
>Obviously the manual wouldn't have been a hybrid.

You posted a picture of a hybrid offered with a manual lol

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>>28828113
>eps
Yes, actually. Hydraulic systems take too much power and reduce MPG too much to comply with CAFE. It's why no car since 2015 uses anything but EPS.
>ipad touchscreens
That's a consumer demand (plus you need a screen to comply with the backup cam laws), and yet the Civic has one of the smallest touchscreens in a modern car and physical controls for pretty much everything. Even the radio can still be operated without ever touching the screen.

>>28828115
Yes, I was saying it wouldn't be a hybrid, or otherwise they could've revived the CR-Z.
Everybody knows the CR-Z is one of the only hybrid manual cars ever made.

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>>28828118
And yet:
>hydraulic steering
>no faggy ipad touchscreen bullshit
>TWIN-TURBO V8
>even the radio can be operated with buttons!!

>>28828123
Based. What car? I want to buy one. Brand new. 2026 model year, of course, no used here (that'd be gross).

>>28828124
>buying new
ISHYGDDT

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>>28828124
LCI F10 M5 Competition.
new cars are for tastelet plebeians

>>28828129
>>28828130
Oh, it's an old ass car prior to 2015 when CAFE regulations demanded all but the largest of vehicles use EPS in order to comply with emissions standards.
One day you'll realize these old cars won't last forever. When you do, you'll understand why you need to accept compromises in newer vehicles.
The used cars of the 2030s will be stuff made in the late 2010s and 2020s.

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>>28828131
>ebonics
Lol it wasn't cafe you fuckin retard
ZF simply stopped making hydraulic steering racks because they'd make larger profits with faggy eps
One day you'll realize you're just a ricelet tastelet tinywrench

>>28828136
It was CAFE that caused the switch to EPS.
Only the largest of trucks got away with using HPS after 2015.
Nobody wants this shit. A car where you cannot feel the road is a terrible crime against humanity, but it's what we will all have to settle for eventually.
2025 and prior cars will soon be sought after, now that 2026 and newer cars are required by law to have a camera always watching the driver and uploading their every move to the cloud to be analyzed by AI and shut down if they think the driver is not ready to drive.

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>>28828139
?

>>28828143
>a car released in 2015 still used HPS
>later models required a switch to EPS
You're only confirming my point. Cars are alwasys marketed one year ahead of the current year. The 2027 model year cars are coming out now.

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>>28828145
?

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>>28828102
The main purpose for the prelude was to make a "fun", "stylish" and "luxury" trim of the currently boring civic hybrid platform which is severely lacking in trim options. Honda already offers multiple "fun", "sport", "luxury" trims of the traditional gas civic powertrain with the Si, CTR and Integra so what you're asking for doesn't make any more sense to fit in with their current lineup.

Also, the S+ mode with the dual-clutch-like interface gives actual "manual" control over the hybrid power delivery system so its not just a gimmick and that makes far more sense than trying to shoe horn an obsolete powertrain into their current gen hybrid system. Not sure what more you could ask for if you want a "manual option" for their hybrid.

The biggest mistake here is the prelude is just too ahead of its time and people are just dumbstruck given its price. Just like with the CR-Z and 2017 NSX, it's just too bewildering and no one really quite understands what it is, who its for, nor what to compare it to. It will probably take 10+ years before its appreciated.

>>28827999
on one hand, nothing is in the same category.
on the other hand, nobody cares about that particular category, and there's good reason nobody wants to compete in it

>>28823347
The only things I don’t like about it are the Priusesque front fascia and the huge wheels. 19” wheels on a commuter car are dumb. Most people don’t live in places with immaculate roads. Potholes are bad enough when you only have 16 or 17” wheels. The first thing everyone does after buying a CTR is change the wheels to 18s for better comfort and tire selection. You’d think Honda would’ve learned by now that the average person doesn’t want gigantic niggerlicious rims on their daily driver.

>>28823349
>giulia
Downgrade unironically.

>>28828123
>with the interior of a 30K nigfiniti

>>28828102
cr-z was superior to nu-prelude in every way though

>>28828172
reviewers say that the s+ shift works well and the car drives and handles well overall it's just not fast or luxurious enough to earn its price tag
in a few years with a new generation of battery tech and more refinement we might see a type R or type S badged vehicle with a similar hybrid system that is actually competitive in its segment

>>28830673
So I've driven the 2026 Prelude. The reviewers aren't wrong. From my experience, the S+ mode does 100% of what anyone would want from an MT and it doesn't disappoint. They really nailed it. Anyone claiming otherwise never actually tried it for themselves. As aside from that, the performance is actually good, its very quick to accelerate and handles extremely well. While its no supercar, its very fun to drive as you sit pretty low to the ground like in a GR86 or Miata. I've also driven a Civic Hybrid, but being so much closer to the ground really changes the feeling.

But honestly, I think this car is a one-and-done deal and they aren't going to do anything further with it. If anything, they might reintroduce a similarly styled hybrid performance coupe under the Acura badge, maybe branded as an NSX successor and priced accordingly in the 80-120k+ range to compete with other hybrid luxury performance coupes. A hybrid electric luxury performance coupe priced under $50k is just never going to be a thing for the foreseeable future, at least in the USA. The 2026 Prelude is a unicorn.

>>28830673
Supposedly S+ Shift is getting brought to all the other Honda hybrids next year. The old hybrids are going to be worthless once that happens. Fuck CVTs.

>>28827989
>retarded weeb millennials
are now 40y/o boomers

>>28828145
literally just stop engaging with this retard

It's gotta be a consequence of CAFE laws that ended recently.
Small cars had to expensive because they had inane fuel requirements that necessitated expensive R&D and still CAFE fees would have to be added to the car. Crossovers and trucks did not have such requirements or fees and could be sold for cheaper.
This explains the small car market in the US over the last 15 years, they weren't really allowed to increase power . Glad we've put that behind us, but they developed this car when that was the deal, unfortunate timing.

>>28831643
Your generation doesn't change as you age.
All boomers are 61 or older at this point.
Millennials are 30-45 and definitely the target audience for this car, maybe leaking into Gen-X a bit.

>>28831669
CAFE is going to be re-implemented in 2029, before the R&D of any new models is finished. Manufacturers aren't even going to bother starting on new small cars because they expect this.

>>28823454
The last time a manufacturer tried this, like Porsche, the dealerships went full nigger mode and threatened to never allow the company to sell cars on the States ever again.
The government itself has to outlaw dealerships in order for this to happen.

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>>28823444
Get rid of every car they make except the CRV since AWD crossovers are peak

>>28824075
It was more than that though. It had a lot of features & specs that were above & beyond the civics it was based on. Now it's literally just a civic with an acura badge on it.

>>28833081
This but make it the ridgeline and pilot, anything less than a crew cab truck or 3 row SUV is goycattle slop

>>28833086
That's less the fault of the Integra for being under-equipped and moreso the Civic for growing into the premium product it's become in the Integra's absence. Honda doesn't make a Civic today equipped like the typical 90s one (no power steering and sometimes no AC, rear drum brakes, wind up windows, steel wheels, no power mirrors, cheap plastic interior, just an AM/FM radio without even a cassette or CD player, etc) to give that gap in specification they used to have. Not necessarily Honda's fault either; used cars from 15, 20, even 30 years ago last far longer than they used to in the 70s to 90s and have eaten up the market share that utter base model new cars used to have, so something like that wouldn't sell well today either when a better equipped used car for similar money is most people's choice these days. Point is the bottom of the market has been raised so much higher that there's not much room for the Integra to be "improved" over the Civic and still be at a price people are willing to pay for what is ultimately a FWD economy car at its roots.

>>28823444
2.0T RWD with forged internals and a massive turbo downtuned to 200 hp with an unlocked ECU and TCU (ZF8 and manual offered)
32 grand with nothing except Android Auto, Heated seats/steering wheel, and the dopest sound system ever.

Send a free example to the top 3 tuning companies.
Include 6 year factory warranty.

Done. Youve saved America.

>>28833108
the problem is that recent Acuras don't have the mechanical refinements that other premium brands use to differentiate their cars from cheap hyundai/nissan/ford/chevy crap
the Integra has a jatco CVT just like a Sentra instead of a DCT like an Audi A3
the TLX had a transverse engine instead of longitudinal like every single competitor
the Prelude is more genuinely premium but still underpowered compared to an Audi TT or BMW 230i

>>28833108
>>28833158
The new Prelude is really a better car than the new base model Integra. The 1.5T Integra with CVT is worse than the K24 ILX with 8DCT it replaced. The ITS is what should be offered with a ZF8 transmission and SH-AWD to differentiate it more from the CTR as a premium car rather than just a reskin.

>>28833108
The Integra is worth it over the Civic for the lumbar support in the seat alone. Glaring omission on the Civic, cannot imagine owning a car without one.

42k is insane, they couldn't chop two doors off a civic and push this out for 25? Even just matching it at 30 would be fine. 42 is a GR Corolla or a 2 series.

>>28833109
literally just described the giulia, except it has a tiny turbo.

>>28831144
Does it have a clutch pedal in S+ mode?
>uhh….
>>28828009
I think an automatic CVT is perfect for it desu. It’s a car built for posers. The only issue is that it’s way tok expensive. If it were $35k it’d probably sell well. They should’vs ditched the complicated hybrid setup and gone for a cheaper, efficient, 4 cylinder turbo.

>>28831650
See >>28828148

>>28834238
>They should’vs ditched the complicated hybrid setup and gone for a cheaper, efficient, 4 cylinder turbo
This. And give it an Acura badge instead of a Honda. Would stop people from comparing it to the Hybrid Civic and instead compare it to the Integra, which is what its really meant to compete with.

>>28834238
>>28834269
The Prelude is meant for the JDM where they don't get the Civic Si or Integra, and the CTR will be discontinued soon due to emissions faggotry. This means Honda won't sell a MT sports car in their home market, but nobody who isn't an American car autist wants a manual luxury car in the current year. Most of the Prelude buyers in Japan are 40-50 year old men.

>>28834338
They still could've rebadged it for America, just like how the Acura TL was the Honda Accord everywhere else in the world while the Honda Accord in the US was actually based on the JDM Honda Inspire.

>>28828130
>couldn't be assed to separate the onions
>mountain of capers relative to meal size
>hollandaise is split
so, did you get laughed out of /ck/ with this one?

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since it's not a "sports car" and instead "personal luxury"

I'd rather have this shitbox

'99 Prelude started at $23,450 which comes out to.... $46,251 in 2026bux. Maybe $42k isn't as insane as you think, but I do think it's a pointless car.
>>28828130
Man, that used to be my daily beer. They switched it to a "juicy" version a few months ago and it's too thick to slam now. Damn shame.
Those eggs benny look dank.

>>28823454
You better buy a Scout when it launches

>>28834238
the hybrid eCVT is way better than the 1.5l with jatcot CVT in the Integra
the reason it's expensive is because it has CTR suspension and brakes

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>>28823347
>It flopped.
Ugly, slow, gay cash in on an old name. Of course it flopped.

>>28823444
I wouldn't make another gaylude. I'd make another S2000, and it would be as close in every way to the old S2000 as is possible in the current regulatory environment.

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>>28834395
>'99 Prelude started at $23,450 which comes out to.... $46,251 in 2026bux. Maybe $42k isn't as insane as you think, but I do think it's a pointless car.
The thing is, a '99 prelude is a better car. It has the same power and less weight, it looks better, and it isn't full of gimmicky crap that will make it less reliable and long lasting.

>>28834556
A big brake kit and basic bitch wishbone suspension setup don’t cost $10-20k. It’s a 2 door civic, why does it cost $50k?
>oh wait, it doesn’t even have wishbones up front, it’s a modified macpherson strut setup lmao
This car is an abomination when it comes to pricing. If the japs can’t compete on price wtf did they expect to compete on?

>>28834631
>big brake kit and basic bitch wishbone suspension setup don’t cost $10-20
well honda decided they do because aside from those things, being a coupe and some nicer seats it's the same car as a civic hybrid that costs thousands

>>28834572
new prelude has more torque I guess. Old prelude also has a more expensive type of suspension, lol.
I honestly wonder what the sentiment here in japan is like for the gradual switch to non-wishbone suspensions in Japanese cars. The new mazda3 could’ve been a great successor, for example, if it didn’t use a torsion beam. There’s so many mountain roads and crazy turns that I think even NPCs would notice the difference in handling.

>>28834643
>The 2026 Honda Civic Hybrid is available in the USA with a starting MSRP of $29,395 for the Sedan and $30,595 for the Hatchback
So around +$13k for what is basically a better trim level (brakes and suspension).
I like the idea of selling the civic type r stuff (except the engine) on the lower end cars as a way to profit off that R&D and gouge people on options, but this is just a dumb car.
Whoever managed the project didn’t keep costs under control and now the car is a joke because of it.

>>28834646
Enshittification is not limited to the USA

>>28834652
>for what is basically a better trim level
And it still doesn't have all the bells and whistles the Sport Touring Hybrid has. Despite the Prelude being marketed as a luxury car it doesn't even have power seats and the back row seating is straight out of a base model 2006 Fit. Might seem like a small thing, but it cheapens the entire car despite having a massive price premium over the STH.

>>28834556
Does the Integra really use jatco CVT? I thought Honda had their own proprietary CVT that was supposedly better than the ones used in Sentras and Corollas. Also, Brembo brakes is a waste on a 200hp car. They could have just put normal Civic brakes on it and saved money.
>>28834652
The Prelude is supposed to be a more upscale car than the Civic. It's basically an Accord coupe with an abbreviated rear end instead of fullsize back seats.

>>28823830
>I dont know what their obsession is with staying at 200 HP but the car could have genuinely been "Good enough" if they actually made it RWD and 300+ HP.
Rigid emissions standards and tax penalties for increased displacement, its not as draconian as the EU, but its certainly up there, hence the "gentlemen's agreement" of the 90s for 276 HP in the flagship performance cars.

>>28834372
He's the shitposter who always spams blurry BMW images and uses "-let" as a suffix for everything. Ignore him.

>>28834372
Kys cooklet bastard, post your burger slop shitbox or gtfo

>>28823347
Everyone wants $20,000 deathtrap coupes with no safety features, less than 3000 pounds and all the budget on the drivetrain. Bean counters can't wrap their head around this and keep trying to push $100,000 6,000lb coupes with EV batteries and then using that as an excuse for axing coupes stating nobody wants them.

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>>28835433
Manufacturers cannot make the cars enthusiasts actually want because safety and emissions regulations are enforced by law. They really shouldn't even bother. They'd be better off starting up production of spare parts for the sports coupes they used to sell 30 years ago. It'd be a more active market.

>>28835451
>They'd be better off starting up production of spare parts for the sports coupes they used to sell 30 years ago.
Isn't Honda/Acura planning on doing exactly that, or Toyota or somebody starting the trend. Idk it seems like it's all only in Japan to my knowledge but it does seem like a lucrative endeavor. I'd love to get some new fenders for my shitbox Hondas since everyone wrapped their cars around poles to the point of extinction.

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>>28835423
>can't make a sauce properly
>call others bad at cooking

>>28835451
And now the government is trying to force Orwellian monitoring systems in every new car under the pretense of "stopping drunk driving," so the value of used cars without Big Brother tech is going to skyrocket. Buy the car you want by the end of next year while you still can.

>>28835467
I feel like the cloud connected, "AI" controlled cameras, air quality sensors, and immobilizers will be the last straw for the common man. All it will take is for a few people to be stranded because the dumb AI said "the driver's eyes are half closed! They must be drunk!" and it turns out it was just an asian guy trying to drive to work and there will be riots. Or even if just people refuse to rise up, they will refuse to buy new cars and the manufacturers will lobby to get rid of the laws at any cost because their entire business will be at stake.

>>28835471
That's very idealistic of you. I do not share your optimism on this one.