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Not alot considering the bongs did it first

>>28823588
We dropped the idea on them two times and it just kinda stuck since

Dependence on imported oil and imported battery materials, also note that Toyota is run by chud nationalists (the kind that likes America though)

theyre unironically right. hydrogen is icky to westerners because of hydrogen bombs, BEVs also have a billion dollar industry propping them up so its easier to get evil corporations on board like with traditional ICE. if the world was logical instead of profit driven we would be switching to hydrogen cars instead of BEVs.

>>28823588
It's a fuel they can produce domestically, unlike petrol or batteries. Smart idea in case of a war or trade embargos.

>>28823588
They're really good at making ICE cars and they don't want that industry to wither away.

Because they understand hydrogen is the best alternative going forward as abolishing ICE continues. Too bad the rest of the world will shoot you for even thinking about owning a water powered car.

>one brand makes hydrogen cars
>that brands makes a whooping 1 hydrogen car with maybe 2 more in the future out of their lineup of over 15 cars
>somehow this is an obsession
How much is big gas paying you to make these posts?

>>28823588
Hydrogen is the rotary of power sources. In theory, beautifully elegant, simple and optimized. In practice, all the supporting technology you need for it will make your life hell, your car as heavy as the traditional alternative, and it itself- a grenade, in hydrogen's case- literally so.

>>28823974
okay but how about a hydrogen powered wankel

>>28823595
Kek. Came here to make this joke. We'll played, anon.

>>28823588
> What's with the Japanese obsession with hydrogen?
ICE

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>>28824020
Mazda did that already

DUUUUDE, they invented a water powered car but the government is keeping it hidden to protect big oil.

>>28823588
>be japan
>become a global leader in automotive
>have trillions of yen investments into ICE supply chain and employ millions of japs via these industries
>good times allows plenty of japs to gobble raw fish and molest young women on trains
...
>fast forward to the present era
>global warming is a popular meme
>everyone looking for alternative to fossil burning cars
>electric cars become feasible but they don't require no where near as many parts as ICE cars thus dooming japans auto supply industry and millions of jobs
>japs invest billions into turning ocen floor slop into cheap hydrogen (still a pipe dream, fyi) as its abundant around japan
>need to also protect existing automotive supply chain companies, investments and jobs
>push everything into hydrogen and try to convince the world its superior
>not working so push hybrid is superior, buy hybrids!
>lie about 'next gen solid state batteries are coming out soon, hold off on EVs for now' fud to keep people from moving away from hybrids
>fall so far behind the chinese and koreans on EVs and battery tech that investment firms downgrade toyotas future prospects
...
you are here

>>28823974
Great post, if people think EV fires are bad, wait till they see hydrogen (under pressure) fires.

>>28824103
>>28824020
wankels are uniquely suited to various fuel types. The problem with hydrogen is the support structure. But in theory it offers the same driving experience as gasoline. Maybe hydrogen fuel cells will someday solve all the world's problems.

>>28823588
>What's with the Japanese obsession with hydrogen?
Chinks mastered ev
West mastered ice
Japs mastered nuffin

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>>28824878
tell us about it

>>28823595
retard

>>28824818
>(under pressure)
PUSHING DOWN ON ME
PUSHING DOWN ON YOU

>>28824673
yooo brooo! totally raping the landscape and oceanfloor for battery materials is the future broooo!

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>>28823781
They're also replacing thier city gas with hydrogen/methane
As the other anon said it's about energy independence

>>28824103
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTR8ZOhkTSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBcZsGsWsMA

>>28824081
Same but his was better than mine

>>28823588
>>28823595
It had explosive impact on their culture. Made a "big bang" in popularity.

>>28824915
https://asia.nikkei.com/spotlight/environment/climate-change/japan-eyes-undersea-fire-ice-as-source-of-clean-burning-hydrogen

>>28823588
Sea of Japan habe unlimited resource

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>>28824945
>masaka! zero people died because of le melt down from a 100-year tsunami
>we need to make things safer
>let's make everything out of hydrogen

>>28827840
Excessive risk aversion can lead to bafflingly retarded decisions.

>>28823604
How are hydrogen cars superior to BEVs?

>>28827903
Longer range. That's literally it, there's no other advantage.
>oh but it's quicker to fill up
Only if you ignore all the caveats, plus filling up with gasoline/diesel/LPG is even faster, and cheaper.

>>28823588
The first reason is to retain the engine and transmission we've developed so far.
The second reason is that electricity costs are high in Japan.
Currently, due to soaring electricity costs in Japan, HEVs are more cost-effective overall.

>>28824818
Jesus was a Jew, always was, always will.

>>28827920
>The first reason is to retain the engine and transmission we've developed so far.
The Toyota Mirai is an electric car, though. The fuel cell and hydrogen tank replace the battery.

>>28828018
They still have a battery, the fuel cell charges it.

>>28828015
Wrong. The word "Jew" never existed in the bible. It wasn't added until three hundred years ago in an masonic funded english bible.

cope and seethe you ignorant fool

>>28828459
"Jew" was considered a pleb term. The proper terms were "Hebrew", "Israelite", or variations thereof. A Bible using "Jew" was, more than likely, an attempt to make it more readable by semi-literate poorfags.

>>28824103
how do you premix in this one?

>>28828018
not just that, hydrogen is produced using electricity
to then be turned back into electricity in the car itself

>>28828907
Of course the electricity used to produce the hydrogen is 99% generated with fossil fuel because nuclear is bad.

>>28828917
>>28828907
>hydrogen is produced using electricity
Most hydrogen is produced from natural gas.

>>28828919
How do you think natural gas becomes hydrogen?

>>28828920
Steam refraction

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They can't into EVs so they use hydrogen as (shitty) cope. Everyone knows hydrogen is dead as fuck.

>>28828921
How do you get the steam?

>>28828926
Natural gas

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>>28823595

>>28823595
neither of those were hydrogen bombs, they were just basic fission bombs

>>28829394
not nuclear bombs, bombs in general
they got so good at ice because they were fascinated by explosions, and now they decided to graduate from tiny controlled explosions inside combustion chambers to proper high-ex bombs on wheels

>>28829434
>>28829394
>>28828923
Nuclear hydrogen production involves using nuclear energy to generate hydrogen through various methods, offering a clean and efficient alternative to traditional fossil fuel-based hydrogen production.

Nuclear hydrogen production is a strategic pathway to a carbon-neutral hydrogen economy, providing scalable, baseload, low-carbon hydrogen suitable for heavy industry, energy storage, transportation, and chemical feedstock. Advanced reactor technologies and high-temperature processes (HTSE/S-I cycle) represent the frontier for cost-efficient and efficient large-scale hydrogen production poised for commercialization in the next 20–30 years.

>>28829394
From Fission, we learned Fusion.

>>28823588
Japan wants to be zero emissions. Hydrogen doesn't emit carbon.

>>28829687
It emits DHMO which is connected to a slew of health problems.

Currently, HEVs are the mainstream in Japan.
Hydrogen and E-FUEL are being considered as alternatives to gasoline.

Toyota: HEV, PHEV, FCV, hydrogen engine
Nissan: HEV, EV
Honda: HEV and EV
Mazda: HEV, PHEV, and FCV; developing hydrogen rotary engines for power generation
Subaru: HEV and hydrogen engines
Mitsubishi: HEV and PHEV
Suzuki: HEV; continuing ICE production in India
Daihatsu: Receiving technology from Toyota

Japan has concluded that HEVs offer the best efficiency and cost, while also being environmentally friendly.

>>28829394
When I grow up, I wanna be just like me dummy wummy.

>>28823588
Hydrogen is the ultimate renewable energy storage system. Anything that creates energy can be used to create hydrogen from water, and when it combusts that reaction creates water. The problem is the energy density of hydrogen makes it extremely dangerous to store. Boomers heard hydrogen fuel cells being talked about their entire lifetimes and we will probably hear the same and it will never come to fruition

>>28830250
>The problem is the energy density of hydrogen makes it extremely dangerous to store.
That's correct.
The reason hydrogen stations haven't caught on in Japan is that the initial costs and maintenance expenses are too high.
Particularly with current technology, the monthly electricity bills seem to be quite substantial, leading some to argue that installing EV charging stations would be a better option.

>>28830273
>wahhh rich peeepo need 2 spend money for a sustainable and economical powerhouse of an energy
>hurr durr I can't justify spending money! Then I will have less of it!!
>Would literally pay for itself in time
>Hydrogen allows ICE cars to be converted to it, while still having gasoline properties such as filling the tank, performance, and sound.

Hydrogen is God's energy

>>28830389
>while still having gasoline properties such as filling the tank
Are you talking about liquid hydrogen or simple pressurized hydrogen? Because neither is fuelled like gasoline. With pressure for instance it depends on how full your tank was when reaching the gas stand.
Even LNG or LPG aren't comparable.

>>28830421
It's like gas as in, you don't need to cuck out for hours at a charging plug. You just hook the filler, lock it, then pump till complete.
The only residue is water.
No need to waste rare materials on batteries when we can put those elsewhere.

Hydrogen only fucks over the rich, it's a net good for everyone else.

>>28830434
What rare materials are used in LFP batteries?
The charging tech has improved a lot more in recent years than hydrogen distribution has. People can charge everywhere whenever they leave their vehicle and charging power has grown to hundreds of kW.
>The only residue is water.
With fuel cells. Hydrogen combustion engines with still produce NOx and the like.

>>28830465
Cobalt.

You have a very weird position, it's like you're trying to shill evs. Pathetic.

>>28830587
Are you confusing LFP and LNMC?

>>28830465
But produce tiny bit NOx

>>28823588
China controls a large part of the battery market, giving them control over your car industry is a strategic blunder.
Also a lot of power in Japan is produced by burning oil, so even grey hydrogen is still attractive as a non-polluting fuel at the point of delivery.

>>28831392
Worst Korea also produces a large amount of batteries. Nips and gooks joining forces could create an economic actor strong enough to loosen zhang stranglehold on the battery supply.
Unfortunately, Nippon is ruled by a bunch of retarded boomers, who refuse to engage in any sort of meaningful cooperation with any other SEA country.

>>28832209
Japan and South Korea hates each others guts for historical reasons.

>>28832225
>historical reasons.
Which are a) minor (gooks were used as slave laborers, and nips dipped their wicks into gookettes; compare/contrast to Unit 731 and "blade dulling contests" in China); b) irrelevant to the average younger (<40) nip/gook slanty, only being used as red meat for the boomers who constitute the most disciplined voting bloc in either country. It's just plain garden-variety retardation.

>>28832225
2019 trade dispute already resolve