Oh no!
Anyway...

They were never alive to begin with; the entire industry was propped up by governments burning trillions of dollars on a meme.

They all look the same. The S was the only good looking one.

>>28824504
i'm going to miss model X. I have 2025 model right now, air suspension, 300+ miles of actual range, fantastic cruise control, super quick, comfy af

I would assume they are just going to launch a new model that is a combination of both

>>28824523
You "guessed" wrong. People aren't buying the S/X models because they're in the premium price range. Coming out with another premium price range? Nobody's going to buy it.

They said they would launch a Model 2, which would be the cheapest car on the market at $25,000. They said this 2 years ago, and have since backed out of the idea.

Tesla's just focused on the mid-ranged models, 3 and Y. And the Cybertruck/Semi (lol).

>>28824523
Apparently they're converting the plants into data centers. The head continues to eat its own tail until it reaches the stomach, so to speak.

>>28824504
Finally they'll be able to release the new sportster! This is obviously the big road block keeping people from getting their car!

>>28824539
saar the sportster showcase for real this april 1st 2026 no more delays 10 years its finally here saar for real this time

>>28824523
roadster to replace the S
some SUV built on the CT platform to replace the X

>>28824504
Doing this while continuing to produce the cybertruck is actually insane lmao

>>28824504
Remember the pet rock and chia pets? EV's are just another fad. Out of all the people I know with EV's it's about 50/50. Half love them but the other half say they will never ever buy another EV again. Those odds are not great.

>>28824585
Wasn't that discontinued a while ago?

TOTAL MODEL Y DEATH I HATE THAT FAGGOT MOM UGLY CAR

>>28824622
No, but they have dramatically lowered numbers. They initially planned to build 250k annually, and then they sold 40k in 2024

>>28824622
>>28824632
The operating capacity of their plant is at 125k and they've sold less than 100k in 2+ years since it's been out. Anybody who knows anything about cars knows you're not turning a profit operating at 40% production with high fixed overheads. Cybertruck will be discontinued soon. Not sure why he's keeping up with the charade.

If you want something more hilarious, the Semi has sold less than 200 units since 2022, and has a production capacity of 50,000 units per year.

How has it been running for so long despite it selling literally nothing you're wondering? $1.5B+ in free government subsidies.

If you have the money to buy an S or X there are much better cars you can buy.

Simply being an EV (with a shit interior) isn't enough of a draw to convince anyone to spend 100k on a boring, soulless transit pod.

>>28824812
I think the main problem is that nobody is spending premium money for a car that loses 50% of its value the moment you take it home

>>28824525
They will probably make a stretched 7 seat model y that replaces both

>>28824504
>hmm, how do we turn cars getting new generation into clickbait?

>>28824504
Wait, aren't these two models that are made in US instead of China and Germany?

>>28824504
I liked model X. But yeah I’d never buy one.

The factory is being converted into a robot factory apparently where they will make a million robots.
Which is great, Tesla is literally ruining society and will now dump a million robots into the world as if things weren’t soul sucking enough .

Really though musk obviously needs to step down as CEO and they need to get a former GM/VAG engineer in there and quit fucking around. The fact they kept the model S and X on the same 2011 design this long just tells you how incompetent Musk is and how poorly he understands car sales.
They should have launched a new design language to match cybertruck a little with the light bar and a gray paint to emulate the stainless without actually doing it.

They also should have realized truck fags might use them for commuting but it’s just like sports car fags. They want to own a real piece of engineering that can actually go to the track or win races or in this case work on a site and take abuse for 30 years

>>28824812
But it's a boring soulless transport pod with 1000whp. Not a lot of competition in that market.

>>28824981
I love when people say something along the lines of "Model S is the same 2011 design" because it lets you know that they have no clue what they're talking about and you know you can immediately discard their opinion

>>28824504
It'll be a good day I go to the track and not see a single tesla.

>>28825065
>1000whp
Wow, amazing. What are you going to do with it? Go real fast in a straight line? I bet that's fun the first 20 times you do it, and then you spend 99.99% of your time putting around at normal speeds.

Plus, Telsafags never go fast. They are always stuck at 65mph because trying to go any faster nerfs their range.

>>28825098
>fun the first 20 times
And the next 20 and the next 20...
I floor my car constantly. It never gets old

I was hoping Tesla would come out with some new models but hearing they will be axing both S and X to make robuts is ridiculous. My 3 is nice but I wanted something bigger like van size, I doubt Tesla will make that unless it's that gay robovan.

the S is the only vehicle they make that looks good exterior wise
they need to make a non-millennial interior

>>28824981
>They should have launched a new design language to match cybertruck a little with the light bar and a gray paint to emulate the stainless without actually doing it.
I'm going to throw up

he knows chinese cars are on the horizon

>>28824507
But muh China lead
They always fail to mention the massive subsidies there

>>28825098
Funny how you never hear anyone say this about the demon or zr1 when they have 1000hp

So, to clarify - TSLA, one of the strongest stocks in the last decade and known mostly for it's car business, now has:
>Three cars on market from 24 years of development (Ford has made roughly 40 in the same time)
>One of those regarded as "The ugliest car ever made"
>A self driving taxi business that doesn't exist
>A semi truck that doesn't exist
>A roadster that doesn't exist
>A robot that doesn't exist
Is their battery and solar tech literally the only thing holding this business up? How is it not in the ground? How is Ford Motors not valued at 4000x more than them?

>>28825270
The US is a rich country and there are a lot of people who believe in the great Elon over anyone else.
I suppose the valuation could be justified if there suddenly was massive improvement in AI, but Tesla was the only western player who was prepared to ramp up robotics production to hundreds of thousands or millions on short notice.
If it is about software there is no reason to believe they have some definite advantage over others.

>>28824504
Ever since the cyber truck, tesla has been moving away from cars and into AI/robotics. As already pointed out, EV's as they currently are, are a dead end without government interference which you see in Europe or China. The auto industry using tech tesla developed can now naturally find solutions to make a new age of EV's tt are better in every way to current EV's later on

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>>28824504
>>28825296
Would have been a hit if they came up with a Tesla van instead.

>>28825270
if you make 40 different varieties of shit that nobody wants to buy, what good is that?

>>28824508
>all look the same
>only one looked good

??

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Holy copium. Retiring the full size sedan without replacement is victory actually.

>>28824622
They stopped making them but there's still plenty to sell lol.

>>28825266
Sound and feel.

>>28824764
Cybertruck was his car of the future. Not a boring looking car with curved lines. I can see him continuing to produce that piece of crap for a few years more.

>>28825450
If you're a competent automaker people buy your vehicles

>>28825503
That has literally nothing to do with what I said

Genuine question, ive never driven a tesla vehicle. But ive heard that build quality aside the motors are seriously impressive. What is it like driving a model s, as a daily. Is it worth. I must admit i like the car

if tesla and all the other brands finaly realized that going full electry is retarded then why the car jewtuberes are still shiling evs? and im obviously talking about the big channels like doug demuro, top gear, etc, I wonder if they are gonna change their agenda and follow the carwow plan of shilling chink shit

>>28825609
Tesla says S and X are phased out because autonomy is coming. You will not drive your car and you will be happy.
https://x.com/Tesla/status/2016740243354128885

>>28825609
Doug isnt an electric car supremacist he just likes all car types i think

>>28825270
The Semi does exist, its just sold 200 units in 4 years. In a plant that makes 50,000 units per year. Bult with $1.5B+ of taxpayer's money.

>>28825586
its a big ass comfy saloon, that also happens to be absurdly fast in a straight line
and it has the best infotainment in the business
and it drives itself, if you're willing to pony up $100/month for the FSD sub

the cons are
1) build quality and materials, while decent overall, are definitely not up to par with other 100k vehicles. to be fair, most EV competitors are quite a bit more expensive, see below, but still, other 100k cars, esp ICE, are way better in this respect.
2) rear seats have the typical EV issue of the floor being too high. lots of room otherwise
3) the tires and brakes are NOT commensurate with the 800hp (awd) or 1000hp (plaid) drivetrain. they're fine for typical use, but ridiculously underspecced for track work. there's a track package which addresses those issues, if you insist on taking your big luxury sedan to the track.
4) its a sedan. the typical buyer that can afford it is old enough to not appreciate having to get in/out of a vehicle that low.

really, the main selling points here are FSD and the hp/$ value.
the taycan is a way better EV sports sedan and has better build quality and materials, but its 150k for the 700hp version and 250k if you want it with 1000hp like the plaid. and doesn't drive itself.
the i7 is a way better EV luxury sedan and it has better build quality and materials and sound proofing and suspension tuning, but its 150k-200k depending on spec/options, and its never as fast as the plaid. and it doesn't drive itself
the lucid sapphire has better packaging and nicer materials, but the infotainment is buggy as fuck and its 250k if you want the sapphire. and the company might not be here in 2-3 years. and it doesn't drive itself.

>>28825586
The original ones were bad, straight up. The first facelift got a lot better, 2019 got a little better, 2021 also got significantly better

>>28825390
I would have bought a Tesla version of the KIA PV5

>>28825673
>>28825675
Thanks bros

>>28825555
So not Ford?

>>28825611
> You will not drive your car and you will be happy.
Garbage tier FUD
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/elon-musk-says-tesla-will-stop-producing-s-x-models-shifts-making-robo-rcna256409
>Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Wednesday that the company would begin phasing out its Model S and Model X electric vehicles this year and retool a California factory to produce humanoid robots instead.
>saying it was part of his effort to overhaul Tesla’s operations to focus on robotaxis and humanoid robots.
>Musk said that Tesla would convert its factory in Fremont, California, from an auto plant into the manufacturing site for the planned Optimus line of robots. Those robots are not yet on the market.
Elon is changing Tesla into a robotics company to compete with 1X Neo.

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>>28824504
>Are electric vehicles DEAD?

Demand is down. The Model 3 and the Model Y are the big sellers. The S and the X are older models and I suspect they're probably designing some new models.

The S was definitely the most appealing one to me; but I just can't get myself to accept a car that controls everything through a tablet and doesn't even have manual door handles. The electric engine isn't keeping me from buying one nearly as much as all the smartphone tech garbage controls are.

>>28824504
Left the club before he got mogged by BYD

>>28825650
i work for freightliner and we've had a tesla semi on order for literally years now, we keep wondering when we'll actually get it

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>>28825999
I think you'd find Scout appealing
>>28826004
No shot it ever makes it to America

>>28825450
Ford sells more than 4X the number of vehicles as Tesla in the US and 3X globally. They have the best selling full size truck, best selling HD truck, and best selling sportscar.

>>28826033
>No shot it ever makes it to America
Probably not, but people near the borders will be seeing them.

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>>28826036
Yeah but Tesla makes AI so they're worth twenty times as much as Ford

>gubment subsidies end
>fucking die
Nice future you got, EV cucks.

>>28826036
The point I'm getting at is the length of your catalogue is neither a good or bad thing.
People looking to buy a car aren't looking to buy 40 different cars, they're looking to buy one car that does the car stuff they want well. And if the one car you make is that car, then that is good.
Something Henry Ford himself understood.

>>28825586
The model S plaid is fucking crazy in straight line performance
Think about when you were on a roller coaster, tumbling downwards for 5 seconds straight.
Thats the acceleration you feel instantly, at 20 mph.

>>28825586
Build quality being bad is now a meme.
Some were bad at the start of production but honestly the new Ys and 3s have got better panel gaps and build quality than toyota, kia, or whatever shitboxes the people who laughed about panel gaps are stuck driving now.

>>28825609
EVs are genuinely cool, people jumped on them because they are different and that makes them interesting. Nobody’s taking orders to “promote EVs” they just genuinely like them.
Go ahead and spam your folder full of trannies driving EVs or whatever, i don’t care. This board is slow anyways.

>>28826039
unironically yes
if tesla manages to produce a fully autonomous robotaxi before anyone else, they'll drown in money. and as anyone who has ridden in a tesla with v14 FSD will attest, they're pretty fucking close to that shit. they'll also drown in money if they start shipping private cars with unsupervised FSD, but the robotaxi thing will be way bigger.

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>>28826033
I, like many people, found it more appealing after they added a range extender to it.

...and the fact said range extender is mounted in the rear, like the first truck VW made, gave me a good kek.

>>28826410
If it costs basically as much as an Uber no one will ride it
It it costs basically nothing they won't make any money
Explain to me why Waymo isn't an endless money printer when it's basically the same thing

I have a Model S Performance Ludicrous full trim and FSD fully unlocked. 60k miles, but stuck on hardware 3. I thought we were getting hardware upgrades if you were a fully paid for FSD simp, but Elon is a lying faggot. I got it used off some bitch who scraped up the rims a bit lol. It's been an excellent daily driver, but lacking some of the newer HW4 exclusive features. Thinking about cutting my losses and trading it in for a newer X Plaid like a retard, or keeping it for 10 years since I hardly drive anywhere anyways and it is practically paid off. Am I cooked bros?

>>28826501
I didn't move to a plaid because I hate the new screen. Vertical orientation makes infinitely more sense in a car. I'm not watching fucking tv I don't need a 16:9 display

>>28825999
Tesla S Plaid came out not even that long ago and they pulled the plug on it. It's dead. There are no ""new" S/X. All upgraded models happens in the same plant. These plants are now converted to AI.

>>28826473
>If it costs basically as much as an Uber no one will ride it
>It it costs basically nothing they won't make any money
the whole point of the robotaxi is that it can be way cheaper AND way more profitable than an uber
Ubers use 3rd party cars, the price and wear and tear on which has to be covered by their fares. Tesla will be using their own cars, specifically designed for the task, at cost.
Ubers also need to compensate the human being doing the driving, whereas a robotaxi will be using software to do the same.
overall, we're looking at a massively lower cost per ride, which means lots of margin to both drop prices and make lots of profit
plus, who wouldn't prefer NOT having to be in a car with a smelly immigrant

>Explain to me why Waymo isn't an endless money printer when it's basically the same thing
first off, waymo doesn't work. they're "autonomous" only in the most limited sense. they're geofenced in a perfectly mapped area (doesn't scale), in particular an area with permanent perfect weather (doesn't scale), and they heavily rely on remote operators to rescue the cars when they get in trouble.
moreover, waymo suffers from the need to buy cars from 3rd parties, which need to make a profit themselves, and on top of that, they have to outfit those cars with an expensive ass sensor package. iirc they are looking into making custom cars of their own, in cooperation with established mfgs, which should reduce those costs, but never as low as tesla can manage by making cars fully in house.
and again, the main problem here is that waymos don't work and don't scale.
recall a month or 2 back when there were blackouts in areas waymos operate, and the traffic lights and road lights went down. waymos were stuck, teslas on fsd14 had no issue.

>>28826501
if you like your model S, you should upgrade to a plaid. or, if the insane accel has gotten boring after how many years, an awd from after the plaid refresh (newer/better motors and battery packs)
and ofc, you definitely want something with HW4 and the ryzen infotainment computer. iirc that means '23 or later, but do check. going for a new one is imo not worth it, unless ofc you have an unlimited budget.

>trading for X
imo not a good idea unless you need the space, and especially the falcon doors which are BiS if you have kids in child seats or elderly relatives. otherwise tho, they're overcomplicated and prone to issues.
so, if its just you and whatever girlfriend(male) you might have, and assuming you're young enough that getting in/out of a sedan is not an issue, then stick with an S

and actually, also consider the cybertruck, its imo by far the best daily driver on the planet right now (for people who can afford it, obviously)
-fully FSD capable, HW4, latest infotainment
-latest battery and charging tech
-all the kino modern stuff (48v, dynamic steering ratio, rear wheel steer)
-solves the sedan problems of the S (easier to get in/out, roomier back seat)
-has a shitload of cargo capacity, obv
-can do light truck duty as well (anything that doesn't require an 8' bed or long distance towing)
-can do offroading
-being made of stainless steel means you don't have to worry about it getting keyed or dinged in parking lots, nor about rock chips during trips
-its bulletproof (at least for typical handgun rounds)
-its cheaper than a new S or X (80k for base awd version)
-causes leftist seething

i know its not selling well, but its objectively awesome for a daily driver.
its slower than the S, but not actually slow (4s 0-60 for the awd version, 2.5s for the beast). it has less max range, but faster charging, so its about equal as a road tripper. and its only a 5 seater and it doesn't have the falcon doors, so for families the X is more convenient.

>>28824504
remember S3XY? remember epic reddit maymay man elon?

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>>28826571
>consider the cybertruck, its imo by far the best daily driver on the planet right now

You will die alone and unloved because you are a unredeemable CHUD

>>28826621
It's so humorous to me how NOBODY wants cybertruck owners.
Liberals call them chuds, conservatives call them trannies.

>>28826547
First off, Robotaxi doesn't work. they're "autonomous" only in the most limited sense. they're geofenced in a perfectly mapped area (doesn't scale), in particular an area with permanent perfect weather (doesn't scale), and they heavily rely on drivers to rescue the cars when they get in trouble.

Also the reason Teslas worked during the blackout is because they all had human drivers up front. Had nothing to do with (((SUPERVISED))) FSD.

>SpaceX in merger talks with other Musk companies ahead of IPO

Remember SolarCity?

I wish Tesla would make something I could use as a work truck or van.
FSD while going around town doing service calls would be SO nice.
>inb4 Cybertruck
No, not without side bed access.

Please keep hating the Cybertruck until I can afford one, thank you.

>>28826099
Those 40 cars are mostly different generations of the same model. IE 2 generations of Mustang. 3 generations of F-150, 3 generations of Super Duty, 2 generations of Rangers, etc.
So yes it is a good thing to be able to refresh your product catalogues every few years and continue selling multiple times as many cars versus never refreshing your cars and having your market drop out from under you when the government stops paying people to buy your cars.
>Something Henry Ford himself understood.
Ford sold dozens of models under Henry Ford.

>>28826501
>Bought a used Tesla
>On a loan
LOL

>>28826924
>t. believes all the space man bad media
>t. has never experienced current gen FSD
My wife has a 3 with FSD and that FSD has come a *long* way in the last 3 years. A few months ago they sent out an update where it's now like having an invisible chauffeur from the time you get into the car to when you get out. All you have to do is keep eyes front, and I would bet even that goes away in a year or less.

Insurers are now offering lower rates the more you use FSD, what does that tell you?

>>28827014
>Insurers are now offering lower rates the more you use FSD, what does that tell you?
No, an insurer is doing that. It is also an insurer that nobody recommends.

>>28826924
robotaxi doesn't work *right now*
but current FSD works very well, with users hitting close to 100% fsd usage. stats above 95% are common, and the most typical scenarios where users have to take over are weird, informal parking lots. safety critical disengagements are extremely rare, and not all that safety critical neither.
and that's outside any geofence, and in every sort of conditions imaginable.

in other words, tesla is *very* close to having something that fully functions as a robotaxi ought to.
my most pessimistic estimate is that they'll need one more iteration of their FSD hardware, and one or 2 major FSD software versions before they're there. we're talking a couple of years or so.

>>28827014
>t. another poster who doesn't know how t. works

>>28827043
Tesla has been saying it is about to happen for 7 years now. Back in 2019 Musk said there would be a million on the road by 2020.
Tesla currently has 1000.

>>28827052
yes, anon, we all know about elon time
im not elon, neither are the millions of tesla users who use fsd.
there is extremely wide consensus amongst actual users that current FSD is very good, and close to being acceptable for unsupervised.
and this is a recent development, nobody was saying shit like that back in the v12 days. even on v13, every1 was saying that its very good and very usable, but nowhere close to unsupervised. v14 is a very, very big jump forward.

>Tesla currently has 1000.
they can ramp up production whenever they want, the sticking point is the software, not the hardware.
no need to make more cybercabs until the FSD software is 100% there, its getting more than enough testing and training data from the millions of tesla customers

>>28827074
Ok lol I'll see you next year when you're saying the same thing. We've all been hearing this for years. I know people with Tesla's and the FSD is ok for some things and terrifying for others.

>>28827074
>>28827077
the sad truth is I've seen driving AIs from the 90s drive better than modern teslas.

>>28825501
meanwhile they still never made the new roadster
the origional is superior anyway

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Tesla's been going downhill since Epstein died.

I guess the reason why his companies were a success was because Epstein provided him with all those underaged girls to fuel him up.

(new Epstein files just dropped)

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>>28824504
still waiting for the Model 2

>>28827352
they didn't even show elon's email address
this is epstein's shin bet intern planting fake evidence, it means nothing

>>28825072
Oh they did a minor facelift 6 times so I’m wrong.
No. It’s the same car and they decided to just Frankenstein updates every year instead doing a single big update with a design language that looks modern. It looks like a 2012 ford.

>>28825497
Porsche Panamera ? This guy is a retard. Panamera is up on sales and extremely profitable and well reviewed and continuing on into the next decade

>>28827414
See, you have no clue. It's not just a "facelift". The only parts that a 2025 Model S and a 2013 have in common are the unibody and the sheet metal on the doors. EVERYTHING else is entirely different. The batteries, the motors, the hardware, the software, the cameras, all the glass, every single piece of the interior, it's entirely different. Just because it's the same "generation" doesn't mean it's the same car or that it hasn't changed at all.

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>>28827421
>Panamera is up on sales
marginally, and its still selling like shit. 2nd worst selling model from porsche, only slightly ahead of the 718.

look, im a fan of the sedan, but the fact is, its a dead platform.
people rich enough to afford new cars, especially >100k luxury cars, are OLD. or women. we're talking almost exclusively boomers here, maybe a few genXers too. and their wives/GFs. sure, there's the occasional millenial techbro/drug dealer, but by and large, its old dudes.
and they have weak knees (or are women).
they might buy a 911 (or some other supercar) to show off on a date night (that's just for the rich old dudes, not the wives/gfs), but you can bet your ass that their daily is gonna be an SUV.

>>28827422
That is a facelift lmao.
The 84 C4 and the 96 C4 Corvette have different engines, transmissions, dashes, electronics, instrument clusters, seats, exterior panels, interior panels, suspension, brakes, airbags, etc, etc. Only thing the same between them is the chassis. Still all the same car.

>>28827414
what he >>28827422 said.
there's at least 3 distinct "generations" of the S.
there's the early cars, the raven update, and the plaid update.
the exterior didn't change much, yes, but the car underneath changed a lot, more than enough to warrant calling it a new gen.
and frankly, its a good thing that it didn't change much. it kept its mid '10s good looks while other brands came up with abominations like the i7 or the EQS.

>>28827431
So the only thing you care about is the looks? If they took the exact same car and changed the front and rear bumpers and called it the "Model S 2" then you'd be happy? I'm having to hard time even understanding what it is you're upset about. I reread the original post and you did just specify the "design" even though a new Model S looks incredibly different and substantially more modern than the original ones. Ironically I think you do just want another facelift

>>28827447
A car generation is a term with meaning. I'm sorry you don't understand this but I just presume you don't know a lot about cars that aren't Teslas.

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>>28827052
>Tesla currently has 1000.
They've also spent 10s of billions of dollars on those 1000 cars. Just yesterday Musk was saying they would have 2 million on the road this year LOL. I think he's allergic to telling the truth.
>pic related, he never responded to Epstein

>>28827448
There's not really any meaning. It's a marketing gimmick. The "new" generation of Mustang is closer in similarity to a Mustang from 10 years ago than a new Tesla is to a 10 year old one. But they can it a "new generation" and you eat it up.

>>28827460
>Tesloid brings up marketing gimmicks
LOL

>>28827461
All right then since you're so smart. Enlighten me. What makes an S650 count as a new generation of mustang but a 2013 and 2025 model s are the same car

>>28827474
I wouldn't consider the S650 a new generation. It is more like the New Edge was to the SN95. Ford just calls it a new generation because they are too lazy/cheap to make a new platform. It's basically the same as with the Model S.

>>28827488
Wait what happened to that thing you said earlier about it being a "term with meaning"?

Rest in piss.
Utterly raped by Xiaomi anyway.

>>28827492
You must consider this some sort of gotcha. A generation is a change in overall platform, not a refresh of what you bolt onto the platform. I don't care about Ford's marketing anymore than I care about Tesla's. People say this all the time about the S650/S550.

>>28827497
I consider it some sort of gotcha because it IS a gotcha. I gotcha good.
>generations are a "tErM wItH mEaNiNg"
>Tesloid brings up marketing gimmicks
>LOL
>I don't care about Ford's marketing
You just admitted that Ford calling the S650 a new generation is a marketing gimmick. There's no merit, no value, no "meaning" in a new generation being called a new generation if it isn't ACTUALLY new. What matters, where the meaning is, is all of the new things typically associated with a new generation. A new engine, a new interior, new features and tech and such. Getting hung up on what "generation" the car is advertised as is asinine and ignorant. If you change nothing and call it a new generation, there's no meaning. Conversely, changing everything but not calling it a new generation does have meaning. It's such an arbitrary thing to get hung up on. They could have just as easily called the 2021 Model S a new generation and nothing would be different.

>>28827511
>You just admitted that Ford calling the S650 a new generation is a marketing gimmick.
Yeah I didn't say otherwise at any point. Ford can be wrong. You are so upset and it is very funny.
>They could have just as easily called the 2021 Model S a new generation and nothing would be different.
Same chassis? Same generation. Tesla is wrong all the time so it wouldn't be the first or last time. The C4 corvette isn't two or three generations, it's one. Same as the Model S.

>>28827514
So you consider the C5, C6, and C7 to all count as a single generation as well since they're all built on the same Y platform.

>>28827524
Different chassis including wheelbases, structures and materials.

>>28827530
Well what can I say. When you're right you're right. I feel like I've really learned something here today. Previously I had always thought that things like powertrains and interiors were important things to consider in a car but really the only thing that matters is the chassis. Even if a new car was made using the exact same components as the old one, if they put the old components into a new chassis and call it a "new generation" then that's worthwhile. I had no idea how much power the chassis had in a car. Actually, since you're educating me so much today, maybe you can explain exactly why a new chassis being new is so important, since apparently things like engines and transmissions and suspension are all irrelevant.

>>28827536
>I feel like I've really learned something here today.
Glad I could help.

>>28827422
>>28827433
The should have done a redesign and they didn’t. I can’t tell an old from a new. People that buy new cars don’t want to buy a new car that looks old. It’s simple and it’s why every other auto does it

>>28827429
Panamera is a niche product that’s growing year over year and it’s very profitable.
Model S is niche as well I suppose but it’s really a 5 series competitor isn’t it. And the X should be selling like crazy bc it’s a 3 row SUV.

I think this is more troublesome for Tesla. They may not even sell cars in 10 years.

>>28827536
Casual buyers use the design to decide if a model is new and cool. They want to feel special ok the road. They want it to feel ‘sporty’ right now and that’s why all the Toyotas look so edgey and cringe.

Model S still has the pre-angry eye soft feel to it. It looks old. It was bad decision. We’re already moving out of entry eyes into the Ferrari no face era

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Thanks

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>>28827352
>>28827454
Elon seems very comfortable lying

>>28827352
Musk could easily be getting framed. He had a falling out with trump you know. Has he said the emails are fake? If he’s silent then I’ll start taking the trump files more seriously.

>>28828406
He hasn't said anything about it.

>>28827429
911 isn't a supercar lol

https://x.com/reggieoverton/status/2017669854015225925

>>28828506
he has said plenty

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>>28827454
the response was obviously Musk not understasnding Epstein's code word for pedophile party. Musk confusing "UN diplomats" as actual diplomats, "underage 25" as actual young couples party instead of actual pedophile party by trying to bring in his wife to this "normal" party.

All that shows is Musk doesn't seem to understand pedophile code talk that epstein is trying to lure him into

>>28827352
That one is fake.

>>28828750
Yea, given the context, I'll bet "UN diplomats" actually refers to some East Euro 15-y.o.s.

>>28824519
Sounds like literally any other EV SUV.

>>28824504
The Model 3 is the Model S everyone buys.
The Model Y is the Model X everyone buys.
This is not an issue.

I’d like to see a Cybertruck gen 2 that doesnt look like shit

>>28824523
loooool
Elon is turning the factories into meme dancing robot plants, he wants to LARP like he's in Supreme Commander and one day have robots building robots except his robots start to spasm and die if they slip on a puddle.

The EV market is effectively over.

>>28824619
Like all cars, it depends on the EV.
I have friends with the Leaf (>a fucking leaf) and all of them love it. Their complaints leveled at Nissan as a company instead of the car.

>>28824504
Good. Tall sedan looks so stupid. It looks dumb on the Toyota crown too, but not nearly as bad.

>>28824519
The tesla actual features are pretty good desu I just hate how the inside looks.

>>28824971
Oh so thats what its really about