I had a small bike (400cc) when I lived in Cali. It sucked.
>wearing a helmet sucks
>having to wear boots and a jacket everywhere sucks
>not having a big trunk to throw things into sucks
>it sucks when it rains
>driving at night sucks because motorcycle lights are bad/ no one can see you
>parking is easy but it's also easy to steal your bike
Bikes are fun but they do not replace your daily driver. I think scooters would unironically be better for that purpose.

>>28827991
>400cc
Opinion discarded, not a real bike with tiny ass headlights no shit you cant see shit at night. Buy a caliper lock you pleb and your shit won't get bipped.
>Wahhh I gotta wear gear wahhh
Stupid cocomelon zoomer who doesn't even have the patience to put on an outfit.
>muh rain
There is rain proof gear and pin locks for visors
>no trunk!
That's because you bought a toy and not a real bike, get a better bike and you'll have a better trunk.
>fucking scooter
Only if you're in a comically dense urban environment with tiny ass roads and tiny ass alleyways. For people anywhere else a normal bike is superior.
>>28827929
Yes it's cheaper than a car. Hands down. Fueling wise, repair wise, maintence wise, all of it. Depending what you get there's quite a lot of setups to do grocery runs amongst other things. Crusiers, sport tourers, and true tourers rock all sorts of features like that.

>>28828012
>Only if you're in a comically dense urban environment with tiny ass roads and tiny ass alleyways. For people anywhere else a normal bike is superior.
And a car is even superiorer.

>>28828016
More expensive too, you like money don't you?

You get to keep more of it with a well built bike. Cars are comfy, even if dull.

>>28828012
>ebonics

>>28828039
A 1200cc bike is as expensive as a car. At that point why bother when a car is far more capable?

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>>28827929
I lived in LA for years and always wanted a bike, but didn't do it because traffic is way too fast and aggressive for a new rider on a slow beginner bike, especially the kinds I was interested in (dual sport/small ADV) and it's too fucking hot for adequate gear half the year.

I actually bought my first bike AFTER moving to a place that does have a real winter, but the roads and traffic are much more bike-friendly, I'm close to cool places to ride, and the weather during riding season is infinitely more tolerable with gear on. I do need to upgrade to a slightly faster/longer range bike though since getting a lot of places here requires going on highways where traffic does 80+.

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>>28828052
Shoulda moved to San Diego if LA is too hot
flyoversvilles (including new york) get way hotter in the summer than LA though, so it's obvious you're simply lying for no reason
Strange

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>>28828049
Are you retarded? These are all less than a basic-bitch new Civic.

>>28828069
The retard is the one who pays $20k for a bike when a new car is $25k.

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>>28828070
>he can't imagine having a bike AND a car

>>28828061
New York gets comparably hot but it's not a flyoverville

>>28827929
Almost no matter the climate, where poverty is the exception rather than the rule, motorcycles & such aren't practical anywhere except where vespas are a thing, Italian cities being an exception to almost every tendency of of 20th century development. Sometimes I think about this by contrast to how and where I live, where dependable aerodynamic land yachts exist, even on the cheap, if you know how to shop around. The temps I've driven around in range from -25F to 116F, and there exists no dress as suitable for such a range as a big comfy car greenhouse.

>>28828049
Not true at all, must be retardhands that typed this.
>>28828043
>SpicSpeak

>>28827929
where i am we dont have much of a winter but its too hot in the summer

>>28828098
*I used to chat online with a cripple little dude who lives in Milan, especially about 18th century architecture, or for that matter any kind of it that's unusually scenic or ornate. Sometimes he comes to mind when I'm in view of, or looking from one of the towers of ,the Chicago skyline. None of it existed a mere 200 years ago, in no small part because the climate is kind of spooky in its extremes.

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>>28828061
I couldn't just move wherever I wanted, and I wanted the fuck out of California.

I don't understand why you think there aren't places that are overall cooler than LA. Pic related is the average climate chart for my city. We had less than two weeks of 90+ all year and the rest of the summer was mostly between the mid 70s and low 80s.

>>28827929
I would love to live in San Francisco or something and mostly ride a motorcycle. But it’s not practical 100% of the time because you have to wear gear everywhere and can’t transport shit beyond regular grocery runs.

>>28828141
In the Caribbean, year round, the overnight lows are almost always in the low 70s, the daytime highs in the mid 80s. It's a pretty weird change of perspective flying from therabouts to, say, O'Hare when it's 2F outside there. In general, I rate window seats in airliners that cross that far across climate zones, great fun by any standard. Offhand I can't think of anything more bizarre in textural contrast from 37,000 feet than the look of Mexico City in daylight, and Illinois at night, in late December.

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>>28828141
To me Cali looks like it has pretty cool vibe. It even has a blue zone.

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>>28828092
The heat isn't that extreme; the humidity is almost unbearable THOUGH
upstate is definitely flyoversville as fuck, and the city is full of fuckin black or indigenous criminals of color
Even extremely flyover Kansas City (MO) is "unironically" a nicer place to be
And why are new yorkers so fuckin sensitive about everything lol
Shit's flyover as fuck

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>>28828111
bruh fr fr i waint hispanic at alldo on gods f.a.m. what tf u talmbout
>>28828141
>We had less than two weeks of 90+ all year and the rest of the summer was mostly between the mid 70s and low 80s
You've clearly never even fuckin BEEN in California lol

>>28827929
>uber-jeet driver is busy staring at bobs on his phone, blows a stop sign, and hits you
>you were spared the mercy of death, and now you lost a limb, your dick doesn't work, and you're in chronic pain for the rest of your miserable life

Why the fuck does anyone ride these things in public roads? There are indians driving here now, you'd have to be out of your mind.

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Flyoverlets can't relate to bay area supremacy

>>28828197
Hola amigo. ¡Qué buen día hace hoy para publicar en 4chan!

>>28828147
While I'm pretty OK with where I live, if I had fuck-you money I'd move to Wilmette or Sacramento on a more or less permanent basis. The English Midlands during some summer months.

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>>28828201
I actually prefer San Diego
Hope to move there in a few years the bay is fuckin gay as shit now no one knows how to fuckin drive and the whole "progressive tech" "thing" is getting so fuckin annoying with all these fuckin NERDS moving here

>>28828217
this is the homeland for the tech people, always has been.
otherwise the bay area would be like st louis or some shit.
the tech is what makes silicon valley prosper, so you WILL see the AI ads and you WILL NOT do anything about it

>>28828072
I don't have imagine that you are poor when you keep talking about how it's cheaper to buy a bike than a car.

>>28828147
San Francisco is cold as shit.

>>28828012
A car is still superior

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>>28828224
Kek no it isn't just go to fuckin Gilroy or Morgan Hill
Hell, just go to fuckin Menlo Park or even just South SJ and you aren't being bombarded with hilarious faggy tech ads
It's only when I go to sf proper when everything starts to look like a retarded cyberpunk dystopia
The only good thing about sf is the food

>>28828201
To be honest, I'd prefer constancy that bland and humidly overcast to the dry horror of Phoenix or Las Vegas. I knew his hugely fat co-worker chick who moved to Vegas. About 450 pounds and 5"11". she returned to the Great Lakes region partly because her electricity bills were outrageous. Her preferred room temperature was about 60F, Mine is about 76. A technician prick in the office referred to her alternately as Thumbelina and Sasquatch. Ultimately she was fired poisoning someone's coffee.

>>28828235
>fuckin Menlo Park
Oh you mean where the Meta HQ is kek
The entire west bay is tech offices

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>>28828251
Picrel is "Cloudy" for the bay area

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>>28828195
310 born, 818 raised, lived in the state for 38 years, most of them in LA County. I don't know why you're acting like posting your debadged non-M poser BMW with a fucking ahegao plate frame is anything other than a self-own, but here's my truck in Beverly Hills when it still had CA plates.

That aside, I don't know what point you're trying to make. Anywhere more than a mile or two from the coast - i.e. anywhere decent that normal people can actually afford to live - is hot as fuck. Sure, it's cooler in Santa Monica or SF, but you're paying millions to live in a shoebox surrounded by the dregs of humanity there. (And both of those areas are pathetic shells of what they were 15 years ago.)

>>28828217
SD honestly isn't that much better these days, boomers on one side, beaners on the other, and clueless tourists and squids in the middle. Honestly the only parts of CA I think are worth a damn these days are the 395 corridor and the far North but you may as well just live in NV or OR at that point and get basically the same shit but without CA's bullshit and cost.

>>28828217
San Diego is weirdly serene, notwithstanding its close proximity to the cartel horrors of Mexico. For some reason I imagine it as the eerily climatically level suburb where Fahrenheit 451 takes place--Mildred with her eyes inches from a wall-size flat-screen just seconds before the Bomb sweeps her away forever. it's a pleasantly sleepy place, but hardly one for chamber orchestas or EDM inventors.

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>>28828261
What the fuck is the west bay? The peninsula? Menlo Park is suburban as fuck lol
>>28828272
Lol that isn't my car you fucking retard
>Anywhere more than a mile or two from the coast - i.e. anywhere decent that normal people can actually afford to live - is hot as fuck
Lol that just isn't true at all

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>>28828262
Not sure what you mean.

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>>28828012
>Thinks the engine has to do anything with luggage volume capacity
At most it would be the weight, and if you are throwing the picture of the 1000 cc BMWs with the coffin luggage, then congrats, your bike is as wide as a europoor compact car. Never go full retard, keep shit light if you live with a bike, you eventually will realize, most shit you get, you dont really need it. After all the goal of having a bike is being getting around the cagies.

Also yes, the scooter is probably the best pick if you constantly need to be storing shit up, and usually those don't get stolen as much compared to a sportbike or naked for example.
Lucky you left Cali, the best way to avoid getting shit stolen is to remove yourself from nigger dense areas.

Motocamping experience really shows you what you really need, and the rest is just comfy faggot garbage, embrace the uncomfortableness that a normie would flinch at. Otherwise if you are a faggot who can't do this, stick to the cage where you belong.

>>28827929
no, because it's hellishly hot instead

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>>28828287
It just isn't cloudy

>>28827991
Part of my dictatorship idea was that if someone is incapable of driving they will be force onto a 125 scooter until the learn or die.
>>28828012
>400cc not a real bike
Thank you for telling the class how fat you are.

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>>28828190
>the city is full of fuckin black or indigenous criminals of color
Aren't LA suburbs even more like this?

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>>28828295
>Motocamping experience really shows you what you really need, and the rest is just comfy faggot garbage, embrace the uncomfortableness that a normie would flinch at.
Hell you can be pretty comfy motocamping too, I managed a pretty decent setup even with a tiny bike and luggage. Dude next to me was on a GS with huge hard cases and was pretty much full on glamping out of that thing.

Only thing I'll really say is an issue is water, it's heavy and bulky, so camping where you can't replenish it easily is tricky.

>>28828231
~60’s year round is not cold especially with full motorcycle gear on.

>>28827929
I am seriously considering one for commuting but I wouldn't give up the car for stuff like groceries.

>>28828452
How's the Kelty working out for you? I ended up getting the naturehike cloud 2 pro 2p myself but I haven't been able to go camping since I don't got vacations due of new job, gotta have a whole year working there in order to take vacations due to contract.

Also what you got is basically what I meant with the essentials, typical GS fags that always overpack useless shit just to go out once a year, even more ridiculous when they still bring the side coffins and book a hotel lmao. Just leave the hard cases at home, the top case is usually plenty and I'm pretty sure the ones they have are over the usual 45 liter ones you see.

Also I suggest you bring with you a decent sized tarp, or at least those thin sunshade ones if you only go out in summer, they help a whole lot when you set up camp during daylight, sometimes you can be arriving sooner than you think. As for water, you can always buy those 5-10L plastic bags that flatten out when empty, some even got a spigot, which helps a bit but you have to pack them a little more careful.
Also if you need a shower solution that's smaller than those oversized solar shower bags, get a garden soda bottle sprayer, hang it with some paracord on a tree and you can use a clothespin to keep the water running. Also quite helpful for cleaning dishes and your hands if you need more pressure.

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>>28827929
Yeah.
But I still have a car. And a van. And a work van. And like 4 project bikes.

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>>28828303
Easy there Stewart little, are you sure you can handle all 400cc of that heckin death trap?

I'm not fat, I'm just tall and can't be caught dead looking like jigsaw on a rinky dink tiny bike. Also 400s have literally no storage in their tails because they're physically tiny.

>>28828297
this is why I have a miata instead, basically as close as you can get while still having AC

I live in a place with winters and i rode all winter long.

It is nice to have car for long rides when it’s cold. It’s nice to have a car for bigger shops and hauls. That’s it

My bike costs me 50 bucks a month at most all things covered. Annual maintenance maybe another 100.

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>>28827991
>>28828012
>>28828016
>>28828039
I'm from Mumbai. Yes here I had a Bajaj Pulsar for the longest time, but upgraded to a Tata Sierra last yr as I got richer. Picrel are both

>>28828229
>you're retarded for spending $20k on a second fun vehicle, you should instead spend more on a shitty new base model NPCmobile
>y-y-you're poor
The fucking irony.

>>28827929
Most people already do that. The difference is they don't pay a car registration price for a bike.

>>28828016
>>28828043
>>28828232
>>28828295
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>>28829514
this guy is the resident schizo from /dbt/
he rides a 390ktm and lives in vancouver
just ignore his posts

>>28829291
Honestly I've only had it out the one time, I didn't manage to camp until the end of the season. It worked pretty well though. My only real complaint about the whole setup was wishing I had a taller pillow or a second one. (With normal camping I could've used a folded jacket but that doesn't really work with an armored riding jacket.)

I actually did use one of those plastic bag things but only a small one, 3l or something, plus the Camelbak in my riding pack. It was fine around camp but there was a good water source there, and I really meant that it'd be hard to actually transport enough water from somewhere else. I looked at those big ones with the spigot but even empty they're pretty bulky for how little space I have in my setup and they're huge and super heavy full.

Shower would've been nice but I could only use that when dispersed camping and I haven't done that yet. For next season I think I'm just gonna try to camp at places that have real bathrooms with showers, we've got a lot in the area and I went through one last summer that seemed to have spots specifically for motocamping - at least you couldn't have fit a car in them.

If you're not poor, you'd get a sports car.

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Got a Honda Adv160 in FL. Absolutely perfect for me. Love the cargo space on it and I never realized how claustrophic I was until I got rid of the car and got on the moto. It is a life saver. Sold the car for above blue book value last summer and have been moto only since then.

Even during the cold snap I have been riding around and loving it! Yes it rains but I have really good rain gear and its fine even during the downpours.

I highly suggest it.

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>>28828049
Jaime pull up used sportster 1200 prices on Facebook Marketplace.

>>28828070
Damn don't hurt your back carrying those goalposts

God this thread is full of pussy ass bitches making excuses for not riding a motorcycle. Yes, they're more dangerous than a car. But if you wear a helmet, take the safety course, don't ride your uncle, and don't ride like a jackass, it's about twice as safe as the numbers portray. And yes, it's less practical than a car for sure. Definitely requires a very specific living situation for those of us who don't live in shithole countries. But man it's like y'all don't want to feel alive at all. Drive a hyundai and jack off to loli after work ig can't relate.

>>28830382
*don't ride while drunk lmao what an autocorrect

>>28830382
>it's about twice as safe as the numbers portray
Way more than that from the numbers I've seen, something like 95% of fatalities and almost as many injuries fall into the categories you mentioned.

I kinda hate these new CAPTCHAs, not that they're hard but I keep forgetting to hit "Next" before "Post" and then I have to wait 30 seconds.

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>>28830087
I live in CALIFORNIA THOUGH

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>>28828365
Kek no only in inglewood and compton
That'd be like saying the bay area is full of those types when it's only oakland and richmond

>>28830087
The schizoleaf rides a white 390 duke, not an ADV.

>>28830106
I got thick pillow and matress myself for this because I knew it would be a damn issue, hope you get to go out soon again.

>>28830408
yeah I can tell from your reading comprehension ese
the guy you replied to is the canadianigger

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>>28827929
I have no idea how I'd live without using a truck as a daily driver

>>28827929
We have winters but no snow. I own a scooter, 2 bikes and a car. I use all of them.

>>28830369
Super cool anon. Ever considered the burgman 650? You can store two helmets in that bitch.

>>28829514
Why sierra? Awful tata car. Should've bought elevate.

>>28829828
>car registration price
Where are you from? In Poland it's $15.

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>>28827929
I did it full time for 2 years, though my parents have a farm truck they said I could borrow if I needed to use it. Who knew being honest about current self circumstances with family could inadvertently save more money.