Personally I don't hate them but I can sorta understand it since Sub keeps clinging to a sorta shitty engine for literal decades for no reason

>>28829471
Overpriced, underpowered, no manual, interior is from 2002, it does nothing a car $20k cheaper cannot, exterior styling is about as exciting as a crotch rocket, and the brand is known as a lesbian-mobile and charity. Also the engine is stupid known for German levels of expensive repairs.

Bring back a manual wagon for $40k and make it so people can easily tune and upgrade.

>>28829481
>no manual

only in side character countries

>>28829481
>no manual
Optional on 2 of the trims and standard on a third. The fuck are you talking about?

>>28829471
Your unpainted wheel arches exasperates your perceived wheel gap. Your dark wheels add to the void under the your fenders and make you look like a higher weight class that you encroach on, thus making you a glorified lowered cuv

>>28829484
The major gripe before 2025 is the wrx only came in cvt auto, wasn't it?

>>28829506
Had a 6-speed as an option from the outset, it's just that certain options were restricted to the CVT (adaptive dampers, etc)

>>28829471
looks like a civic

>>28829471
You're ugly
You have barely more power than your predecessor, still less power than a more powerful version of it in Japan
You don't have an STI, didn't even get any STI stuff trickled down, like the diffs

hate boxer design when it oil starves going left. really hate nu boxer design when they place the turbo so far forward in the engine bay that if you bottom the car out on a pothole or """muh AWD rally"""" activities it can damage the turbo/exhaust system, meh gas mileage rev hang and corolla tier interior

>>28829481
>no manual
What sort of hellhole do you live in? There's only one model that *isn't* a manual.

>>28829506
No. Prior to 2026 there was only one trim level that came with CVT (the "GT" trim), all the other trim levels came with a manual. In 2026, there's still only one trim level that comes with CVT (the "GT" trim), all the other trim levels still come with a manual.

>>28829471
If I wanted a 60/40 weight distro I would just buy a pickup truck.

I don't hate you D:

>>28829471
Ugly plastic cladding, filled diaper rear bumper, no wagon variant in the US

>>28829810
but enough about your turkmobile

>>28829481
Anytime someone talks about "outdated" interiors they mean it doesn't have the latest wizbang gizmos in it such as dash tablets and electronic nannies, ie bugman amenities.

>>28829832
Subaru's interiors really haven't advanced in decades. You're still getting cheap cardboard seats and even cheaper hard plastic everywhere, but now they put a giant sized Nintendo DS in the dash that looks terrible even by the abysmally low standards of dash screens.

>>28829832
Subaru has the worst possible era of touchscreen where it still has all the tracking bullshit you can't effectively remove, but it also lags and looks like garbage and isn't intuitive to use
There are AliExpress Maserati radios that work better than Subaru radios

>>28829471
gold standard for police chase getaway vehicles

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>>28829832
Have you seen Subaru interiors? It has all of that, with the worst implementations imaginable.

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>>28830124
Subaru interiors from 20 years ago were pretty comfy

>>28830124
That's legitimately heinous
Whoever approved that 2 inch screen bezel should be taken outside subie hq and shot.

>>28829471
Subarus are just aura-less

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>>28829471
>black plastic
>extremely ugly rear end
>same power as a literal 26 year old car with the same badge
>not sold in my country (would be too expensive anyway)

>>28829471
>Subaru
Lesbian brand

>>28829471
Ugly. Looks cheap and tacky with the stupid plastic wheel arches. Slow.

>>28829471
Your products look and feel like cars designed by Fisher-Price. Worse interiors than even Goyota. Anemic horsepower and one of the worst engine designs across your entire lineup compared to your direct competitors. Your primary customers are lesbians and vape addicts who like to sit in Dunkin' Donuts parking lots making exhaust fart noises. Other people only buy your cars because of the generous 0% APR financing and the fact that you're a Jap brand priced somewhere between Toyota/Honda and Nissan.

>>28829471
average /o/tist can't deal with the fact the wrx is the perfect new car for them and lashes out at it in rage

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>>28829829
Weird, the deleted post said:
Ugly. Slow. Gay. Pikachu. Monster. Truck.

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>>28833161
Kek why the fuck are weeblet vapelet ricelet stancelet slowfaglet boyracelets so fucking delusional godsDAMN

>>28829472
Va and vb don't use the ej engine tho

>>28830124
My wife loves hers in crostrek.

I don't hate it, I want one. But my next vehicle is probably going to be a truck because I have toys to haul now.

see what I mean?

>>28833186
Odd how you keep describing BMWs
>>28833188
Post hand, brownoid faggot

>>28829471
>Factory riced out Subaru Legacy

What was ever the appeal to begin with?

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>>28833515
No, I'm quite accurately describing the wrx and how people find it ugly because the plasticke claddinge makes it look like a crosstrek, which is gay and pikachu as fuck
They're both slow, and essentially are monster trucks that you can't even do truck things with

>>28833598
So why do you keep describing BMWs then?

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>>28833601
The wrx isn't a BMW

>>28833611
Yet you keep describing BMWs in your posts.

People that own WRXs say they are fun as hell to drive. It's a pretty based car from this outsider's perspective. At least it's not a crossover or pavement princess trugg and at least most of them are manual.

>>28833657
BRZs and WRXs have a 85-90% manual take rate

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>>28833645
? See >>28833611

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>>28833657
It isn't, and jewbarus have terrible interiors and are simply too slow to daily (let alone be fun)
https://youtu.be/9d3MdqMFSmI?t=638
>tastelet fag lives where it snows
>owns a gay miata and gay wrx because tastelet
>wrx is TOO SLOW LOL
The recommendation?
>"E90 335i xdrive"
>"fuck yeah!"
>"'300ish horsepower'--more like 350"
>"rear biased gay-wheel drive system that allows you to be sideways at all times and helps you hold drifts"
>"and a manual"
>"I'm not one for turbo cars, but that N54 was fuckin' INSANE. That was a GREAT engine"
>"I wouldn't [recommend a wrx]; they're just too fuckin LAGGY"

>>28833769
yet you keep specifically talking about BMWs with your descriptors.
>>28833772
repeating what a Calinigger (((journalist))) believes doesn't make it true

>>28833772
n54 is one of the few engines less reliable than a turbo ej25

>>28833786
? See>>28833611
>>28833769
And >>28833772
He's just stating the truth THOUGH

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>>28834058
That isn't true at all THOUGH

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>>28834129
>>28834058
Why are you weeblet slowfaglet boyracelets so fucking disingenuous?

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>>28834132
>ooh kawaii sugoi a jewbaru a ao reriabru!!

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>>28834135
So explain why Subarus last longer with significantly less maintenance and cost less to maintain?
I know you're gonna say "Subaru parts are cheaper," and yes, yes they are.

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>>28834148
Running cost != engine durability
You posted the naturally aspirated ej25 running costs, by the way

Poor brown sperging again posting 10 google search results in a row

>>28834151
I'm aware, just fucking with you. I've had an ej257 and an ej253, I know they're different.
But, your claim is that the N54 is reliable because "the turbos and accessories fail, not the engine block or rings" doesn't speak to overall reliability. And, let's be honest, most people turned up the boost on EJs when they were around, muddying the reliability waters, I certainly added 5 lbs of boost and it was way more common for a Subaru to be modded than BMWs.

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Literally only see poor "browns" or dorky whites that want to be black or indigenous criminals of color driving these pikachu bullshits kek

>>28834168
>Cares too much about other people and social perceptions
You've been like that forever. It's cool though, you do you.

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>>28834163
The N54 itself is more reliable than the turbocharged ej25, engnne for engine, stock for stock
>inb4 nooo I can't just change a high pressure fuel pump once at 100k miles!!
>inb4 nooo injectors at 150k miles?!?
>inb4 nooo my wrench is TOO TINY to fuckin change that oil filter housing gasket!!
I've had my N54 335i since August of 2023 and have only had to replace the coolant expansion tank and the accessory belt
CSF radiator goes in soon with the TURBOSMART blow-off valve and EVOLUTION RACEWERKS charge pipe

>>28834176
>ebonics
I just don't associate with tastelets

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>>28834182
Nice purple, Pablo. That shit's Pikachu as FUCK bmaoooooOOOOooooo

>>28834189
Surely it's Muk, Gengar or Starmie as fuck.

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>>28834193
Hmmm, true.

>>28834182
>i had my car for 3 years with only minor repairs, so it's reliable
>installing a bov
you are just as dumb as any vaping subaru wigger
actually ur dumber because you think youre better than them

>>28834122
That retarded calinigger described the XJ Cherokee as a "hot hatchback". His opinion is literally worthless

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>>28834189
It's an HOMAGE to the original ///M stripe coloures!

>>28834222
>nooo making your car better is actually rice!!!
>>28834227
It is a hatchback it just isn't hot
Hope that helps!

>>28829840
>Subaru's interiors really haven't advanced in decades
I see this as a good thing.

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>>28834244

>>28834249
Different anon. That sounds like a good thing to me.

>>28834253
Once you drive a STRAIGHT SIX (6) E39, you'll understand
I literally can't consider any jap car now

>>28834266
I'm sure I'd enjoy it, but I like to live frugally and work as little as possible in life. I also don't like the added weight of luxuries and NVH, I just care about how it feels to drive and I like it raw. It should shake and rattle, it's a machine. Why spend *multiple times more* between the cost of the car and lifetime costs just for soft plastics and a luxury badge? Doesn't seem worth it to me.

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>>28834292
Just get an E30 325i with a HUGE turbo or a C5 Z06 or fixed-roof coupe already godsDAMN

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>>28834298
You know, I just bought a miata for $4k last month. Bout to send the ol' impretzle to the junkyard.
E30 or C4/C5 would be absolutely sick, but I prefer what I prefer and reliability is nice. I wouldn't trust a hackjob turbo 40 year old car as a daily. I would trust a vette but their oversteer dynamics are kinda scary.

>>28833772
Slowbarus suck but I would take one over a modern Beaner Mexican Wagon.

>>28834312
Vettes are fine the problem with them is that they can get expensive real fast if you get a crappy one and the huge amounts of grip make them not that fun on the street.

The real problem with them is people not used to a car oversteering at 100+ mph when they're used to half the speed. There is literally nothing bad to admitting to this btw, everyone forgets the faster you make a car the faster the turns come at you.

Otherwise it's the natural progression for RWD Sports Cars (Miata -> S2000/E36M/350Z -> C5 Z06 or C6 just like going from a 250 -> 650 -> 600/1000 on a bike).

I'm personally gonna go for a STi swapped GC8 because I don't see the point in a 400+ hp car on the street. 2700lb AWD with 300whp is more fun to me.

>>28834364
>The real problem with them is people not used to a car oversteering at 100+ mph when they're used to half the speed. There is literally nothing bad to admitting to this btw, everyone forgets the faster you make a car the faster the turns come at you.
Yes, and because of all the grip in the vette, when the rear does go out, it shoots out quickly once you overcome the tire limit.
I am good at oversteering <150 hp cars, but part of drifting is living to do it again another day. Corvettes scare me. I have very little self control and powerslide for giggles, in a vette I'd be dead.
STis are fun, I had one '07-'12 or so. I found myself driving 120mph in-town normally, and racked up 7 tickets in 5 years. It just was too risky for me though I never even curbed it, I just got scared of myself. I now get my automotive kicks sliding around at like 20-35 mph and I feel safer that way.

>>28834237
Camissa says it's a hot hatchback therefore it is a hot hatchback by your logic.
>>28834266
>mcdonalds struts
>autotragic
Oh look it's a rental

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>>28834377
Or maybe just don't drive like a retard?

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>>28834413
I will do no such thing.

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>>28834342
mexicans love jewbarus THOUGH
See >>28833769
>>28833611
and >>28833598
>>28834412
No it's just a regular hatchback, not a hot one
>ugly shitty interior
>slow as fuck 4cylinderlet
>gay-wheel drive
>gay eps
Kek godsDAMN that's clearly a fuckin rental for mexicans and wannabe azn ballaz

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>>28834377
I bought a 2016 STi and its not as fun as I was expecting personally (feels big/heavy and wide), so I'm hoping buying a GC STi will fill that void being 700lbs lighter. I kinda settled because it was a great deal (75k miles, $16k, low mileage used motor put in) but it feels too much like a daily when its supposed to be a weekend car. Its kinda boring. I wish I picked up a ND Miata or didn't settle for a VA and went straight for a GC but I kinda got myself worked up because it was a decent deal (and still is, only real issue is a PS leak that's pretty common on all EJ cars and that's probably the rack).

Was hoping to sell one before buying the other but I'm talking to a guy selling one at a decent price, hoping to get a decent deal since he wants out of everything but its 14 hours away in Wisconsin. If it was Florida where my parents are it'd be more of a definite yes since I can easily get there from NYC. Asking a million questions right now.

>>28830124
Looks great. It might have an "iPad", but at least it doesn't stick up above the dashboard or go horizontally across the whole dash like most cars. All the controls are real buttons on the steering wheel anyway so it doesn't matter when you can use either.

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>>28834312
>This will not endear me to anyone that's owned or loved an mx-5 -- I just always judge sports cars on the way they drive, and I've always found the little mazda to be slow, imprecise, and unsatisfying
>I don't know what it is; I feel a bit ashamed in an mx-5
>a machine which drives with all the precision of a boneless limb
B O N E L E S S
They also come from the factory with lift-kits for some bizarre reason

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>>28834430
>STi EJ and 3-LSD setup in a '90s chassis?
I have dreamt long about such things. I would've gone with a built EJ257, but a lot of people prefer the 20s and they're supposedly more reliable and can take more boost due to thicker cylinder walls.

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>>28834455
How can it be boneless with 4 double-wishbones :P

>>28834426
so you admit that jason camisole's opinion only matters when it agrees with your opinion?

>>28829471
why does that corolla have a hood scoop?

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>>28834462
>posts a MODIFIED car
But isn't making cars better STRICTLY for ricers?!
>>28834482
I don't even think about jeeps, son
That shit's uh, it's for the boids

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>>28834426
The XJ Cherokee is a 4WD SUV you bean brained spiclet. It uses the LEGENDARY AMC 4 liter straight 6, the best straight 6 ever made.

>he thinks a bov makes his car better
lmao

>>28834487
>But isn't making cars better STRICTLY for ricers?!
I'm not the guy who says that. I've modded every car I've had. I keep them stock on the outside though.

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>>28829471
I don't think about you at all.

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>>28834526
Yeah that's just a boxy hatchback, son
I've driven a wrangler with that engine
Shit's slow as an af fuck f.a.m.
Some random offered to buy it off my uncle for $15k and it has 300k miles on it
>28834532
>she thinks a blow-off valve doesn't make her car better
lolbmao
>>28834545
How do you get rid of the beancounter neutering and bring it back to, or better than, how the designers' originally intended, without visually MODIFYING it?!

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>>28834568
>how the designers' originally intended
You *are* the guy I see posting "thoughbeit" on /vr/, aren't you?
I debadge, I put on fart cannons, I put a OE option lip on my NA. I guess I've swapped wheels on a few cars, usually with OEM ones from other cars. I like to keep things clean otherwise.

>>28834568
According to your califag idol that's a hot hatch. Cope/seethe/mald/dilate due to a parts-bin engine being better than any BMW

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>>28834578
I don't go to that board those guys were actually insane
> I like to keep things clean otherwise.
"Based," to use the parlance of our times, but how does one clean up the beancounters' mess without MODIFYING the suspension?
>>28834579
It's a hatchback, he thinks it's a "hot" hatch probably because it's not the "base" model, to use the parlance of our times
And if it's better than any BMW, why. Is it slower and less luxurious than even my oldest, cheapest E39 that I got for $2400?

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>>28834459
Yeah I like the 207 a lot more, its my bucket list engine. I love the high redline. I short shift the 257 around 6-6500 since it doesn't seem like it likes the revs. I also hate the pedal lag, its genuinely bad. I have to drive in sport sharp after a lifetime of cable throttles. I just know I'll be fucking pissed if I had to do a motor in it because I'm really not in love with it

I was really shopping for a JDM STi v5/v6 since the 20Ks seem like bombs....but this came up and I'd rather have the newer engine (twin scroll + AVCS in the v9s + 8000rpm redline). I think this is as strong as a 257 only let down by the pistons (ringlands at 380-400whp).

Its a EJ207 v9 + 2001 6MT + 5x100 R180. Supposedly has 4.44 FD which I'm not sure how but it might be a gravel spec trans or similar since it spins at 4-5k @ 70-80mph. Should be nuts. I wouldn't change a thing other than paint the rear spats/skirts and put a 2.5RS trunk on it so it looks more like a STi.

Only shitty part is its Wisconsin 14 hours away and everything is frozen over atm. I'd be more ready in 2 weeks.

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>>28834583
>without MODIFYING the suspension?
In suspensions, changing one thing can have butterfly effects that make other things worse. I just do sway bars (fat one in the rear for max oversteer), that's it, I don't want to mess things up. I do prefer lowered (slightly, like 1.5") visually, but it's not worth it without doing a lot of math imo.

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>>28829471
>built to be a rally car
>lowered suspension so it can't handle bumps
>engine explodes when you drive it quickly
why are japs like this? just buy a truck or an SUV like a white man would

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>>28834594
That math was already done by the engineers who DESIGNED the cars
You don't think those beancounters went and adjusted everything else that needed to be adjusted when they put those lift-kits on those cars, do you?

>>28834602
>built to be a rally car
wrx hasnt been a homologation special in decades
they still do well in amateur rally though

>>28834583
>It's a hatchback, he thinks it's a "hot" hatch probably because it's not the "base" model, to use the parlance of our times
It's a 5 door SUV, not a "hatchback". Your califag idol considers it a hot hatch because for the era it was quicker than the vast majority of them when it had the 190hp 4.0
>And if it's better than any BMW, why. Is it slower and less luxurious than even my oldest, cheapest E39 that I got for $2400?
Smoothbrain beaner cannot read. I didn't say "car", I said "engine" specifically. With a mild amount of boost (17lbs) and mostly stock components it can easily make well over 600hp and 700 lb-ft of torque.