>>2830740
>cross a large river when it was frozen in winter
>lets it fully thaw out in spring and then acts surprised that he can't go back across it anymore due to the rapid current
>fail to make it at hunting
>fail to preserve meat and food properly
>eats poisonous berries
>starves to death
He was retarded and the entire point of the movie and story was to warn people about being as equally retarded as he was.

>>2830740
His actions were remarkably similar to those of actual retards who got lost in the woods

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuba_County_Five

>>2830740
A little bit of both. Heart was in the right place maybe, but he was short sided, and bit off way more then he could chew. If he just took it a bit slower he'd probably be alive and we wouldn't even know who he was.

>>2830743
>Weiher had apparently lived for as long as three months after the men were last seen, starving to death despite an ample supply of food and heating materials in and near the trailer.
What the fuck. None of this makes any sense.

>>2830740
is there a difference?

>>2830740
based free poster

>>2830741
pretty sure he killed a moose with a piddly 22 so he didn't fail at hunting, though he failed to preserve it, which would have averted his death had he succeeded
he also refused maps for some reason which is 100% linked to his death as there was a forest service cabin nearby and a bridge to cross the river
he also refused help from locals on the way in, similarly refused an offer that someone come check on him
so he was clearly a retard too big for his boots
but he was also free
whatever that means

he was a tardo that had serious angst with the way of the world and went innawoods
for whatever reason that never works out
probably because being solitary in the way of the modern world is the antithesis of human nature

>>2830808
If you cant successfully harvest the food, then the hunt is a failure.

He succeeded at shooting an animal, not hunting.

>>2830766
They were all super autistic, and I've heard a theory that autistic people freeze up in times of panic. So even though he had ample provisions, he panicked and didn't eat it out of a stress response

>>2830740
both because he has no idea what he was doing quite literally

Summoning based NASCAR anon.

Let's pretend his passion was Nascar driving...

Christopher McCandless sets off, from California in an old car he rebuilt himself (he replaced the fenders and painted it), on a trip to the Daytona 500. He only gets across the state line when he runs out of fuel because he forgot to fill it up. Instead of simply walking to the nearest gas station or flagging down help he decides to push his car over an embankment and set it on fire. He then proceeds to walk on foot to the nearest car lot (which happens to be in Mexico for some reason, mostly because he burned up his map in the car and he's been taking backroads.) He finds an old bicycle in a garbage dump and uses that.

He finally gets to the car lot and buys a fixer-upper for $50. Before leaving the car lot he has to change a tire, which he replaces with the solid rubber donut. He buys fuel and heads off to the Daytona 500 again. Only he's heading deeper into Mexico and eventually ends up broken down in front of, "Autodromo Internacional de la Jolla" due to no water in the radiator. The engine block has seized up. Luckily, there's a race about to start. Christopher...er "Alexander Superspeeder", who changed his name, pays the $125 entry fee for the race.

Unfortunately, Alexander Superspeeder doesn't have a race car. He does however have an old bicycle still. He uses the bicycle to race. He makes it only 3 laps before he is too tired to steer straight and veers off into a race car and is killed.

Some Jew picks up his story and writes a book about his life and how he followed his dreams. Another Jew makes a movie about it. Armchair racers around the world adore him.

The End.

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>>2830989
needs picture

He was suicidal/retarted, I can't remember was he a vegetarian?

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speaking of retards

>>2831000
He killed a moose. That should answer your question.

>>2830989
>>2830994
BASED

>>2830740
My favorite retarded americans are the two morons who went camping in the desert, got lost, because neither of them knew how to read a map, and after two days one of them killed the other one out of mercy.

It is ideal to die in the wilderness and the timeline is irrelevant

>>2831193
You'll enjoy this one then
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/11/world/europe/a-french-couples-love-for-the-american-west-ends-in-tragedy.html

>>2831198
>be european
>go to the desert on a normal desert day
>walk a mile
>die

teeth too big for him mouth

>>2831203
he was hungry

>>2831198
Dying after 1km walk seems ridiculous.

>>2830740
Both. Posters who hate him would argue Batman is a bad guy because he beats up poor people.

>>2831217
That makes Batman a good guy

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>>2831217
Actually Batman is the villain precisely because he merely beats the poor people up instead of killing them.

>>2830989
I would watch and enjoy that movie.

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>>2830740
Both, just like Timothy Treadwell. He did things the posers here wouldn't dream of, including actually going outside, but he got himself killed in the process in a stupid and unnecessary way.

>>2830766
>>2830743
>>2830866
I read the story, the only thing that doesn't make sense is the last guy in the trailer not writing what happened. The fifth guy who was never found obviously fucked them over somehow

>>2830740
My theory is he simply had no idea how many calories were in things. People grow up hearing "the Native Americans lived off the land". So you figure, if you have a book about edible plants, a .22 rifle, and a sack of rice, you can probably survive indefinitely. No. A sack of rice will last you a week. Hunting squirrel sized game will prolong your misery only a few days because they're very low calorie and you'll quickly shoot all the ones nearby and finding new game will become progressively harder. What this guy didn't realize is that Native Americans could live off the land because it would be a tribe of 100 people living on 100 square miles of land with hunting/gathering/fishing jobs divvied up in the tribe to make it all work. There are always people in the "bug out / shit hits the fan" threads who are convinced that if they run into the woods with a backpack full of guns, ammo, and fishing gear, they'll survive forever. It's impossible. I think he died because he thought 2 cups of wild harvested edible plants would provide an easy 2000 calories a day. When in reality it's probably closer to 100 calories. He probably thought he was saved every time he shot a varmint and cooked and ate it. But each of those were probably 150 calories max. The math just doesn't work out.

>>2831416
Posts like this totally miss the mindset of McCandless

The guy was into American Transcendentalism

It wasn't truly about survival he was just doing some philosophical internal work on himself and shit went south too quick for him

>>2831000
Sounds a victim of coldwar nihilistic dysgenic anti-civilizational childrearing.

He came from a pretty broken family so I don't blame him from running. He also survived for a pretty long period of time considering his non existent experience

>>2831667
>survive for a pretty long period of time
>bummed off other people for most of his journey in the lower 48 and worked odd jobs
>goes to alaska to finally be alone
>dies within 4 months

>>2831677
Yeah but his family wasnt perfect so...

>>2831679
Yeah him and nearly millions of others that manage to get by just fine.

>>2831349
No evidence of foul play. The car was abandoned. My Theory. He walked himself into an animals den, was attacked and died with no remains discovered because deep in a cave or thicket.

>>2831667
>He came from a pretty broken family
His sister debunked all this. He never called the sister. He tortured her and the family. Not cool, bro.

>>2831679
No family is perfect.

>>2831679
what a waste of a post

>>2831695
unlike this one

I had to read the book then watch the movie in highschool, so it's been a while, but I remember the book being a lot more critical of his decisions and lifestyle, while the movie was obnoxiously celebrative of it. I guess it worked because all the wanderlust teens thought the movie was amazing, I couldn't get away from that Eddie Vedder song.

>>2830748
The book read a lot closer to this anon's take

>>2830740
Depends on what you believe his motivations were. I don't think he was an honest person, seemed to go out of his way to fuck other people/himself over then get pissy about it. Credit is given where it's due, at least he went outside, but he was more in love with the idea of freedom than he was the reality of it. Reminds me of the bear guy that, despite "loving bears so much", failed to ever give them the respect they deserved. Not that much different from any other teenager that runs away from home chasing an unrealistic ideal, which is why it resonated with so many teenagers. Not much of an /out/ movie as it is a teenage angst movie.

>>2831687
yeah obviously they didn't find anything to say one way or the other or we'd have known, you clearly didn't read into it though. The only one who wasn't found wasn't actually like an autistic mentally slow guy with tics like the others, he was just a drug addict labeled schizo mentally ill. In fact, he's the only one who seemingly was being punished as part of his attending the mentally ill thing. He convinced them, not hard because they're all autistic, to go out into the mountains where they were met by someone with a truck. He must have convinced them that he would be back and that everything would be okay, or that everything was fine.

>>2831700
I'm somewhat of an expert on this topic, Chris essentially thought he was a pioneer, a maverick, the only one of his tortured soul kind. Him and his girlfriend went to Slab City where he promptly discovered he was a basic bitch and lost his girlfriend. To prove everyone wrong about him being a basic bitch, he went and did the most extreme thing he could that would prove them wrong- live in the wild in Alaska

>>2831702
>Slab City
Are you talking about the underage girl? I thought he met her at Slab City?

>>2831702
>>2831706
Chris didn't have a gf going into Slab City. His Highschcool gf dumped him after prom and he turned down the underage jailbait in s lab city.

>>2830989
accurate.
>>2830740
both actually. but his retardedation cut his freedom short, he couldn't cross the river back to get supplies when his ran out. didn't make jerky out of the moose, ate random poisonous seeds. what killed him was not walking, iirc, ONE MILE down the river to look for a crossing, where there was one. there was a bridge. ONE FUCKIGN MILE, and he didnt walk it to check, i would have been walking up and down that river 10 miles each way, it's not like you can get lost following a river. heck, make a raft! he was fucking retarded, retards shouldn't be allowed freedom. it is wasted on them.

>>2831827
Once he fell behind on the calorie balance, it's understandable that he wouldn't wander very far. At that point his body was screaming for him to conserve energy so only immediate concerns were going to bubble up to the top. But when he arrived at the bus, he absolutely should have explored the area. He had plenty of time after arriving to do that instead of huffing his own farts while journaling. Survival skills aside, his lack of curiosity about his surroundings fly in the face of everything else he wrote about trying to become.

>>2831836
>>2831827
Everyone also forgets he was there from April to September. By all metrics, summer in Alaska should be one of the easiest places on the planet to survive. By September there is entire hillsides of wild blueberries.


Chris was retarded.

>>2831949
He didnt die from the elements

protip: there are major sections of alaska that have west coast climate, while the ENTIRETY OF THE NORTHERN MIDWEST ENJOYS -40 WINTERS

A 20-80 degree temp rain forest is uniform from san fransisco to ketchikan alaska

the majority of the continental u.s. is more severe than that

>>2831954
missed the point of my post entirely. People who do this innawoods shit for fun or as a lifestyle don't do what he did, especially regarding shelter. And you can worsen your situation even in easier weather.

>>2831958
im just sayin dawg alaska is not the fuckin hardest place, many continental states match it, there are only small parts of alaska that are worse than north dakota or montana

is there any equivalent of someone doing this, but with urban homelessness instead of wilderness survival?

>>2832297
millions of schizophrenics at any given time

RIP.
He's the retard we aspire to be

>>2831002
AAAHHH! AHHHH! AHHH!

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>"One of the greatest tragedies of my life!"

>>2832865
>weakness
>snowed in
>disaster
retard didnt even make it 2 weeks before fucking up

>>2832865
>made it!

Yes.
/thread

>>2832865
Also who the fuck write like this??

>>2833072
>Also who the fuck write like this??

>>2832865
was he a sperg?

>>2832865
Why does he have such effeminate hand writing?

is the movie any good?

>>2830740
>Was he retarded? or free?
Yes.

>>2830766
>>2830866
one of the seasons of Alone (I think season 3) had a guy who caught a ton of fish and smoked them to stockpile and ration. But he was barely eating any. He ended up getting medically disqualified because his BMI had dropped dangerously low, even though he had a big stockpile of fish preserved. He was barely eating anything and didn't even realize that he was slowly starving to death; he said later that it wasn't until he got back and looked in the mirror that he realized how bad it had gotten.

When you go long enough without eating you can lose your appetite and I imagine that in survival situations there are some people who just don't realize they're starving until it's too late.

>>2833302
Yo anon, I haven't watched alone but it has piqued my interest. Do I need to start from a particular season? or do I just dive into it

>>2833309
Other than occasional references to previous seasons, each season stands on its own so you don't need to watch anything prior to jumping in whenever you want. Season 12 is the current one if you want to be part of the current discussion; it's in South Africa so it's the first season that's not just cold and wet. There are I think 3 episodes left on that. But I would really start with Season 1 if you're looking to marathon, that's a really unique season because all of the subsequent seasons the contestants are learning from previous seasons, but Season 1 everything is new.

Season 4 is the pair season (husband/wife, brothers, father/son) which some people didn't like and recommend skipping but I liked it. Season 5 was a redemption season (featuring losing contestants from previous seasons) and again some people don't like that but I didn't mind it. 6 and 7 are possibly the two best seasons IMO.
But at least watch Season 1, and then either Season 12 so you can join the discussion in the Alone thread on /out/ or just keep marathoning. And you can watch the seasons out of order for the most part (although they might sometimes spoil prior seasons by telling you who won)

>>2833315
Just started epp1 season1, is the show legit? thanks for the detailed response

>>2833318
yeah it's pretty legit. Some anons think that the producers secretly help some contestants but I don't think they do

>>2833319
Lmao yeah dude and just leave 500k up to chance with no fuckin' footage

>>2833338
All 11 winners have been men and 10/11 are White men. If they were rigging it that wouldn't be the case. Especially the season where the runner up was a woman who had to be medically pulled due to starvation, if they were going to rig anything they would have given her some food.
But also after 11 (and now 12) seasons, somebody would have leaked if it weren't legit

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>>2830740
It's called the Faustian Soul.

All of the brown seethers and boomers in this thread just don't get it.

While he did make mistakes, the most detrimental being the eating of alkaline laced potatoe seeds, ultimately leading to his death, after 30 years people still speak his name. People will for many years to come.

The irony is that if he survived, there would be no story; no man to remember.

In a way, he transcended death.

>>2833595
Becoming a cautionary tale is the lamest way to achieve immortality though.

>>2833689
Every great man of history could be labeled as a "cautionary tale" Alexander the great, Julius Caesar, Magellan, Napoleon, Adolf Hitler.

All ended in tragedy, yet all are immortalized.

At the end of the day, both of our lives will come and go, and once the people who knew us are gone it will be as if we never existed at all.

Chris will live on.

>>2831706
>>2831719
she was 17 and you're in a "lawless" city. I can't believe not making an exception for that. pussy could've saved him

>>2833693
I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

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>>2830740
>>2830741
>>2830808
>>2830809
Like you could do better. Why don't you hear the whole story instead of watching a movie and acting like you know anything?
youtube.com/embed/ucwnfFzlDWw

>>2830740
Never heard about this.
Just read it.
The guy managed to starve 20 miles from a highway.

>>2834319
>Like you could do better.
nta, but yes, I wouldn't go to live in alaskan winderness without hunting experience. It's called not being absolute retard.

>>2831002
Pretty clear cut suicide. The guy knew his way around bears. He was going to leave for the winter as to not become bear food but had a falling out with his gf and let the bears kill them both.

>>2834319
I'm not one of the ones you spam replied to but, I absolutely could do better. In fact, I've done better, yeah. For starters, I'm still alive.

>>2831702
>he promptly discovered he was a basic bitch and lost his girlfriend. To prove everyone wrong about him being a basic bitch, he went and did the most extreme thing he could that would prove them wrong- live in the wild in Alaska
kek, so he was a chud who wanted to prove he's a man and failed. based on his diary >>2832865 he clearly attempted to stay 100 days in wilderness but was too stupid

>>2834859
>chud
What sort of context are you attempting to use this retarded word that says more about you than it does the person you're trying to insult? McCandless was a basic bitch who didn't even have any nuanced opinions, I'm not even sure he was political and if he was he was clearly liberal

>>2833128
no

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he had a good river crossing a couple miles from his bus bros... he could've just walked out of the woods

>>2834912
So a guy committed kamasutra. But he found a nice way to do it. Calm, scenic, no trauma, didn't bother anyone. Just like some gooks do in their funny sudoku forest.
And you're all butthurt. Why?

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>>2834929
son, sit down and read carefully:
no one making fun of mccandyass is "mad".
we are having a mix of pity and dark humor at a deeply defective mans tragedy, and a making fun of the manchildren desperately trying to remake him into something that gives them the dopamine squirts when they idly fantasies.
The worst the "tard-critical" posters are feeling here is that of a parent trying to take a dried dog turd from a screaming toddler intent on eating said turd.
And because you are genuinely retarded and need things explained to you, yes you are the turd eating toddler in this analogy.

>>2830740
Realistically, if im going to essentially inherit the family home, have simplistic desires and enjoy simple things (already accumulated the material things I wanted in my 20s) how much would my stocks/ETFs folder be worth to essentially take it easy after a certain point?

>>2834319
that sign was just cringy cope with his imminent death. he left this message outside the bus:
>S.O.S. I NEED YOUR HELP. I AM INJURED, NEAR DEATH, AND TOO WEAK TO HIKE OUT OF HERE I AM ALL ALONE, THIS IS NO JOKE. IN THE NAME OF GOD,
PLEASE REMAIN TO SAVE ME. I AM OUT COLLECTING BERRIES CLOSE BY AND
SHALL RETURN THIS EVENING. THANK YOU, CHRIS MCCANDLESS. AUGUST?
doesn't sound like he was in control of the situation at all.

>>2834958
if you can live off of 4% of your total invested wealth you're good. read simple path to wealth by jl collins for this concept but expanded.

>>2830740
Like others have said already; "both"
>>2830896
>>2830989
>>2830994
Holy shit, I feel bad for laughing but wow

>>2830740
Retarded

>>2830740
he's dead, that's what matters

>>2831844
You can't survive on berries. You'll shit yourself to death.

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>>2830740
Richard Proenneke did everything better

>>2831954
Fairbanks area is known for getting especially cold

>>2836019
i've been where he's at during the months he was there
it's really not that bad

>>2836021
Me too. was talking about winter time. He was gonna die either ways

>>2836018
this guy /out/

>>2834319
>>2831418
The anons get it.
He read a lot of Tolstoy. The last book he read "family happiness" reconciled his love and forgiveness for his family. God had a different plan for him and why we are still talking about him today vs if he would have survived. He's an alright dude.

Fun fact: my Aunt picked him up and drove him to the hot springs on his way up to Alaska.

Incoming blogpost: I identified with this guy's story quite a bit. His childhood shows the signs of living with a parent with a cluster-B personality disorder. The amount of control he was subjected to probably led to an incredibly low sense of autonomy. To escape and overcome this he wanted complete freedom no matter the cost. Even if it meant his own death, he had to know if he was capable of complete personal responsibility. Sometimes I wonder if all of his adventures were just a passive suicide attempt, or he really just couldn't evaluate danger properly because he was never allowed to take risks at developmentally appropriate stages.

Obviously much of this is inferrence based on anecdotal experiences. The 200ish pages drew many conclusions with very little to work with, and the author no doubt took some creative liberties with conversations. I myself grew up in a house like this (perhaps not as toxic). I did some these things myself though nothing to the same extent as Chris. But living out of my car, rafting a summer away, climbing a mountain or two on a whim, and traveling to multiple countries alone gave me back some of that autonomy and sense of self worth I was lacking. His story is incredible even if his naivety led to a very preventable death. I never once felt sorry for him though. You can clearly see at the brink of death he was happier than his school age self. His story will always live on the thin line between retarded and free, but we can enjoy it regardless of if we think he is a hero or not.

>>2836075
>God had a different plan for him
christcuck cope. he was retarded.

>>2830740
he was selfish and an asshole for what he did to his family, who gave him every opportunity to live a fulfilling life

>>2836092
I don't think you're a slave to anyone or owe anyone unconditionally. Even less so in an exchange for opportunity or money. Going by that logic the richest of all could do whatever to their children and expect gratitude and loyality in return because they are arguably giving them the most 'opportunity'. And then you have that mysterious case of Musks daughter trooning out. Strange.

>>2836105
This. He did not have normal parents. Just because they were successful does not mean they set him up for success.

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this guy is even better
>stays in alaska to take photos
>dumps most ammo in the river because "he doesn't need it"
>tells his friend to pick him up later, but says it too ambiguosly for him to understand
>tells his family to not worry about him
>nobody knows his whereabouts
>runs out of food
>wrongly signals helicopter he's alright because has no knowledge of proper signals (lmao)
>no ammo for game
>doesn't go to nearby cabin
>doesn't go to fort yukon
>commits suicide in his tent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_McCunn

>>2831206
It was 100 degrees farenheit, with no breeze, no shade, and it's a gypsum desert so the sun doesn't just hit you from above, but it also hits you from below due to surface reflectivity. They decided that their child would die before they could get back to their vehicle since they didn't bring adequate water, and they chose to give all their water to the child. This was probably not the choice with the greatest chance of saving their child and may have been influenced by delirium, but the child did live, so what do I know?

Don't go to a gypsum desert in August.

>>2836265
reminds me that retarded swedish girl who went to visit havasu falls in grand canyon but the dumb bitch turn RIGHT, uphill instead left, where there was natives' village like 1 mile away.

>>2836268
reminds me of retarded swedish girls visiting a muslim country, morrocco, acting like everyone was like people at home they were used

>>2836260
truly a based retard. not convinced he wasn't trying to die

>>2830809
he harvested a shitload of small game he died becuse he poisned himself with potato seeds

>>2836105
Musk's children trooned out because Elon himself is a repressing tranny (yes, being a tranny is hereditary, just look at Hemingway and his son)

>>2836786
>he has only seen the movie
autopsy didn't confirm that.

>>2830740
free enough to do something retarded, that's for sure.

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>>2831002
The way the bear is looking at him is pure kino.

>>2830989
>Some Jew picks up his story and writes a book about his life and how he followed his dreams. Another Jew makes a movie about it. Armchair racers around the world adore him.
Basically end of discussion here. This guy does not deserve to even have a story. The story he does have is completely unworthy of discussion. What happened to him matters so little that he's too unimportant to declare free or retarded. He doesn't matter. It's all forced. Weighing him in any serious way is an insult.

>>2830740
He rejected his access to the Bank of Mom and Dad to become a weird smelly bum. He was also educated with a bachelor's. These facts make his story noteworthy however, If he would of come from a broken home he would of just been another hobo with a mental disorder.

>>2836883
Dead wrong. Homeless pieces of shit like you are nothing like Chris. Chris had a dream and he lived it and he died for it. He went out.

Worthless, pathetic losers like you have nothing. You exist as parasites feeding on the filthy cast off trash of the most urban cities and most developed society. You are NOTHING like him. Nothing at all.

>>2836896
I dont know anon he actually did come from money, was educated, and was definitely weird and smelly. Im not sure where your aggression is coming from.

>>2836896
Lol Chris literally went to slab city and found out he was a basic bitch from all the other hobos there so he ran off to the woods as far as he could so nobody could call him a faggot, like (you)

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>>2836896
I'm not homeless lmao you can see my house in this picture, bet you feel dumb as shit now huh bub, i'm a contributing member of society eh boy? Maybe i'll go mow my neighbors roof lawn just to earn some extra scratch, you know us modernites always on that hustle

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>>2836896
kek, imagen getting this assravaged over mccandyass, find better losers to idolize kid.

>>2836896
>derps
>subsequently btfo by the entire thread

Why must everything on 4chan always be brought back to money? Are you all that envious? It's not that having money devalues someones opinions or actions. This guy did what he did. Having or not having money makes no difference.
>>2836883
Anons observation here is sadly correct. Part of why this guy was noticed was the background.

Why does he generate so much seethe? Why do so many random people on the internet have to 'prove themselves' against a guy who died 50 years ago?

>>2836984
see:
>>2834956
most of us here are laughing at retards treating him like a martyr.

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>>2830740
Retardedly free.

>>2836984
Why do so many random people idolize a basic bitch who was a basic bitch amongst both hobos and mountain men, who then went on to get himself killed after he found out how much of a basic bitch he was


could it be that modern media wants to glorify retarded stories like this so that everyone thinks there's no alternative? You either live like a crusty mentally ill addict in the cities or you live like a retarded mountain man innawoods?

>>2837042
People like him because the average person relates strongly to an aloof, live laugh love retard with no skills that gets into retarded situations in the name of empty concepts that have been sold to them in the past.

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>>2837047
shit dude people are gunna love me then
I was gunna do this dumb shit but figured out thousands of homebums do it on the edge of civilization all over the place and it's just as easy to do it moving from town to town taking less from the taxpayer than one single mother in section 8 housing

>>2837051
>yeah my house is near PCT, how could you tell?

>>2837075
AT*, but yeah

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>>2837075
>>2837078
Medford oregon, closer to the PCT actually lel

>>2837103
>fenced in patio
fucking hell kek

>>2830740
what was his bmi in this picture

>>2833072
i do

>>2836828
in soviet russia...

>>2837042
better than if the media was channeling them to the woods trying to monetize the idea big time

>>2830740

>was he retarded?

What is more retarded.

A:

Work a deadbeat job. Pay student loans. Get a house. Pay mortage each month or lose it. Get a family. Have a wife + kids. Lose wife + kids since you were off working to keep the mortage from collapsing. End up working nonstop paying it off. Once finally paid off you don't want to live there anymore. You sell it. You buy a small apartment. Get a ps5 and computer. Hobby room. Jerk off. See your kids every other week. They don't like it there. Go on vacation for 4 weeks every year.

B:

See society for what it is. The good and the bad. Decide it is not for you, you believe man was made for more than slaving away his life.

You leave home. You set out in pursuit of the penultimate dream for many people.

You try your best. You fail. You lose.
Whenever I am in a precarious situation such as this I loudly tell myself:

"Man I could have been home playing a game"

And that makes everything fall back into place and I remember why I do what I do. Because I fucking hate the other option.

A beautiful mix of both. He was rich and had good education so not very retarded

>>2830740
He clearly lost the will to live.

>>2831418
>shit hit the fan too fast
yeah, because he didn't have a good understanding of his dietary requirements

>>2836078
based analysis
I think it bears considerations that we all humans sometimes make irrational decisions of various scopes, and surely it's understandable how one may get to a point where just straight up escaping out into the woods might seem like a good gamble. I'd guess that such gambles might have been much more commonplace in the past, with varying levels of preparation going into them; now everything is taken as set into stone, and the best such gambles while staying within "reasonable" bounds are shit like moving into a different country, changing jobs or going travelling. Legit wtf else is there? So if someone wants to fuck off into the forest and try surviving, so be it. Many attempted it before, many succeeded and many failed, it's his life, can't really blame him.

>>2831002
[werner herzog intensifies]

Jewel Palovak allowed me
to listen to the audio.

I hear rain, and I hear Amie,
"Get away, get away, go away."

Can you turn it off?

Jewel, you must never listen to this.

I know Werner.
I'm never going to.

And you must never look at the photos
that I've seen at the coroner's office.

- I will never look at them.
- Yeah.

They said it was bad.

Now you know why no one's gonna hear it.

I think you, you should not keep it.
You should destroy it.

Yeah?

I think that's what you should do.

>>2838384
What a pair of pussies

>>2836984
Because of the failure worship. The fundamental ethos of any kind of /out/ is to do the thing and keep doing it, due to being alive. Any dumb cunt can get chopped on a mountain or in the wilderness. The trick is to come back.
See also 'hurr he died what he loved doing, climbing, the brotherhood of the rope durr.....'
no anon died hitting the ground, something he had tried to avoid for many years since he first learned to tie in.

>>2830740
Both

>>2836260
This guy's Wikipedia page makes him sound like a cocky asshole
>>2836859
It makes for a cautionary tale, but that sells way fewer copies

>>2831002
The retardation flowing off the one on the right is actually visible in this pic

>>2836828
de berr iz ghei

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>>2836260
>I keep thinking of all the shotgun shells I threw away about two months ago. Had five boxes and when I kept seeing them sitting there I felt rather silly for having brought so many. (Felt like a war monger.) So I threw all away ... but about a dozen ... real bright. ... Who would have known I might need them just to keep from starving?

— Carl McCunn, diary excerpt

>>2838705
>Felt like a war monger.
I'm glad nature devoured him desu

>>2831002
He was a retard but he didn't deserve such a horrific end

>>2836078
good breakdown, after having watched Season 1 of Alone per anon suggestions from this thread, I can see that this guy was a delusional romantic type, not a pragmatic survivalist, combined with whatever self-perceived familial and relationship, he went full autist into proving something purely in his head, I don’t think he was subconsciously seeking suicide as others have suggested, he was naive and didn’t have the actual skills for /out/, the Alone S1 show did a good job selecting people with well matched survival skills, who showed that present minded practical mindset is more important than larping about Tolstoy when in the middle of nowhere

>>2836896
lol faggot

>>2830740
Both. He overextended himself and made a bunch of mistakes but he had survived by himself for a long time up until that point and was by all accounts happy. How many of us can say the same?

>>2836260
Just so I know, what’s the right way to signal that you’re in distress?

>>2839493
Enjoy the next 6 seasons, skip season 5 tho.
It should be required watching, it shows exactly what happens as you starve to death slowly in isolation and how extremely difficult it is for moderns to hunt and gather in the uninhabited parts of the world. Most HGs that lived up there either followed vast herds or set up at a particularly productive fishing spot. No real other options long-term. I'm skeptical that even the top tier contestants could have managed a full winter.

As for OP: lot of pointless hate-offs in this thread. Guy was clueless, the easily-inspired pop culture crowd that's just as clueless found him an inspiring tragic figure, anons who hate anything popular have bile, at least some can take a balanced view.
Never watched the movie or read the book because he was clearly clueless in the trailers. I see he had some family trauma, so I guess it makes sense. Sad story, don't personally see the need to piss on his grave further than that.

>>2839559
Active the sos function on your PLB
Double gunshot
Three fires in a triangle
SOS smoke signals.
If you're in absolute bumfucktu good luck if satellites can't help. There probably no one within ten miles of you.

>>2839573
Apparently for a rescue helicopter it’s waving both arms above your head, crossing them, and then back to your side or making a big Y-shape with your arms.

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>>2830808
NOOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO GET PAID THE EQUIVALENT OF $800,000 A YEAR IN TODAYS MONEY FOR OPERATING MICROSOFT EXCELL I DON'T WANT AN $80,000 HOUSE I'M A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE

Why was gen x like this?

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>>2839559
instead, this dumbass happily waved with one hand and then casually walked towards his tent
>"I recall raising my right hand, shoulder high and shaking my fist on the plane's second pass. It was a little cheer – like when your team scored a touchdown or something. Turns out that's the signal for 'ALL O.K. – DO NOT WAIT!' It's certainly my fault I'm here now! ... Man, I can't believe it. ... I really feel like a klutz! Now I know why nobody's shown up from that incident."

>>2839594
they wanted to be work-free hippies as their parents

>>2839594
they were raised by boomers

>>2839559
Shut your phone down. Reactivate. When it asks your pin, enter 112 (in Europe, I'm guessing 911 in the US, verify this). Your phone will send out a distress call even with no wifi).

1 hand in the air= I'm ok. 2 hands in the air= I need help.

Find a suitable landing spot for the heli. Mark it with a high-vis jacket or tarp (if you wear camo), weigh it down with a rock if possible. Keep your distance.

When in trouble, call out 6x/minute with a minute rest in between. To respond to an emergency request, call out 3x/minute with a minute rest in between.

the thing that makes me the most sad about mccandless is that he shows there's no escape. you're locked in no matter what you do. you stay at home and pop a bullet in your head, you are just a casualty within the system. I think of suicides like that like the worker bees who die in the hive. IIRC there's a part of the hive that's built so that bees can discard all the trash, those dead bees get expelled through that. they are processed.
are you angry and you commit something horrible on your way out? you become part of a narrative of the crazy weirdo boogeyman. you either make a case toward the screening of people who aren't 100% adapted and complacent, tightening the system even further. you do something like mccandless or something particularly eccentric like that, they make a movie about you and people on reddit make threads about you and buy the soundtrack of the movie. It was the same with Treadwell. Oh Mr Herzog is making a documentary. Exquisite. Was he retarded? Oh but there was poetry in it wasn't there? Bravo Mr Herzog clap clap
No matter what you do, your life is a product, you don't really own it and you don't own your own history. You are not contributing to anything. You are never reaching out anyone. You are processed like food. No matter what you do with your life, it's going to get repackaged into a product and made useful to the system in whichever way it can be used. You will always be useful to the system in some way and help sustain it before you will ever change someone directly, and even if you do those lives you'll change are processed the same way.

>>2839861
Best to not ruminate on it.
Overanalyzing life leads to depression.
Silencing the part of the mind that talks/plans/worries leads to serenity.

I recall being in Asia, seeking meditative zen. I kept seeking out mountaintops to get away from people, but the difficulty of getting up them left me with little time to relax, and the insistence on being far removed made peace in daily life categorically impossible.
The most memorable moment of calm came one night when I drove down from a mountain and just rode through traffic on busy city streets focusing on only the helmet in front of me. One in particular, a woman with a white helmet with a little laser etched sticker in back shining as we drove through the turn of a large round about...
It was a pointless moment, analytically, but I'll remember it for many years. I found a piece of zen there that escaped me in nature.
When you have quieted your mind and entered the moment, the smallest details bring joy as to a child, because it is the happy child that has been buried by traumas and adult concerns. Relaxing is all that's needed.

thanks for the story, chatgpt

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>>2839861
>no escape
You can't escape death but you can sometimes beat death by living

>>2839937
Very nice but see, I'm in Europe. The more I age the more I envy American rednecks.
Taxes taxes taxes. I can't even brag about free healthcare anymore because they made it so that it's only free if you're brown. We're reaching levels of cuck that shouldn't be possible. I can't even imagine what it's like in the UK

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>>2839861

>>2839861
>>2839937
> "It is not death a man should fear, but rather, never beginning to live." - M. Aurelius

>>2839937
whats up with your eyes

>>2830740
Fucking moron.
I wish we could just ban threads about this cunt.

>>2830740
Why not both?

>>2839559
desperation shouldn't be hard to signal unless you're repressed

>>2839861
atleast workers get paid
clearly you need a balance

>>2840342
>desperation shouldn't be hard to signal unless you're repressed
Do you mean in social situations like dating? It's actually hard to suppress your desperation.

>>2840350
yeah social situations overall being isolated long periods of time weird like a cat

>>2832297
Meth Mike and Fent Frank up at the corner store. I'll grab an interview if you want when I go to get smokes later.

>>2839913
appreciate your post, as i've gotten older i have learned that being overly philosophical is not healthy or useful, i'm trying to adopt a more pragmatic mindset focused on the present day to day life, it's not easy as i am an introverted ruminating type
>>2839958
EU and canadian capital gains taxes are insane, truly one of the barriers to financial freedom

>>2840478
>as i've gotten older i have learned that being overly philosophical is not healthy or useful, i'm trying to adopt a more pragmatic mindset focused on the present day to day life, it's not easy as i am an introverted ruminating type
There is nothing wrong with any of this. Self introspection is the origin of discovery. To know thy self, and master one's ego, should be everyone's ulimate goal. There is no such thing as "overly phyisophical", if it helps you become a better person. We all grown upon the foundations we aee given in childhood. ...or we don't.

>>2830740
He was the best of us, and we will spend out lives trying to match his greatness.

>>2830740
youve been asking for 10 years plus.

the answer is still he was free to be unretarded, and chose to be retarded. You build up your bushskills in safety and go deeper innawudz progressively. What's his damn hurry to go all the way in with half-assed prep? Loansharks?

An able-bodied white man dies in post industrial America from exposure and starvation. If he'd been in swampland or the Asian jungles he won't make one week. Borneo, 50/50 day 5 will kill him and leave no traces. He was living a Robinson Crusoe novel in his mind, actually larping.

>>2833595
>infamy is immortality
>immortality is good
>therefore infamy is good
Josef Fritzl and Udain Hussein for being evil, McCandles for being too stupid to live.

>whatever the Faustian Sovl strains towards the infinite
Spengler also said it is colonialist and reaches for what is close and immediate. There's no "claiming" process for McCandles, no building upwards and outwards. He made up his mind to highscore 100 days and that's it; a Faustian Sovl would claim domain and build indefinitely.

A Faustian Sovl, like the conquerors you named, thought in terms of decades and dynasties. McCandless didn't think past 24hrs, always just hoping tomorrow will be lucky. He was a useless fool, the Bloody Drongo of the human race.

>>2836995
>most of us are laughing at tards idolizing the king tard
hear hear. No one with any respect for how mean the woods can get approachs it like he did.

He lived like he was on camera, always needing to impress himself. He might have been histrionic; one of the signs is having no positive connection with any family.

>>2836078
McCandles looked like he was trying to prove he didn't need nobody to make it, and probably died still coming to terms with how he actually still needed people. He made survival mistakes and was bailed out by Samaritans several times, but he learned absolutely nothing from previous fuckups.

>maybe THIS time I will be lucky
>TOMORROW I will catch something oboy
Just a few blocks of butter would have saved him. Just a few cans of condensed milk would have saved him. You know how when a sportsball player misses a layup or easy goal, the whole audience clutches their heads in agony? I'm clutching my head in agony. McCandles you fuck, what did you do to the MAP??

And reading Tolstoy writing as an idealist without learning about Tolstoy the irl broke bitter defeated idealist, sounds so intellectually lazy. If you're going to just believe everything you read it's probably going to lead to your martyrdom.

>>2830740
Native americans were literal experts on surviving in the woods and even they knew you couldn't make it alone. Most places you also couldn't make it staying in one spot all the time.

so yes, he was retarded and free

>>2836896
>parasites feeding on castoff trash
Noob, SCAVENGERS feed on castoff trash. You identify with McCandless because you are emotional and ineffective just like him.

I'd tell you not to do what he did, but that might make you try out of spite. For your sake please study up, train up, and kit up before you try. He's already the /out/ meme forever; you will never replace him, so don't try to beat his highscore with his methods, please.

>>2840261
Traded my soul to a demon

The demon styled my hair in such a way that it shadowed my face when the sun was high, giving the gothic makeup appearance you see in the photo. The demon is pretty good at hair.

>>2830741
He actually identified the correct plant to eat he would have been fine eating that but he put it in a plastic bag that made it mold that mold caused paralysis.

>>2840649
muh mold is all just a speculation. the fact is that even with berries he would stave to death.

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>>2840653
It is deducted reasoning not a retarded guess. the test they did was months later after the shit was dried out and moved around a million miles. And they tested the plant for alkaline enzymes instead of just visually identifying it. Lab test basically came back saying inconclusive like most lab tests.

>>2840653
>the fact is that even with berries he would stave to death.
this

krakauer perpetuated the myth that you can survive out in the woods as long as you don't make some technical error like eating toxic plants or mold or whatever.

this is bullshit, he would have died just the same whether he ate poison or not. There simply aren't enough calories and fats out there to keep him alive.

>>2830808
If he actually had survival skills he could have made it on his own, at least until the hallucinations and madness kicks in.

>>2831416
If you hunted bears and preserved the fat you could definitely avoid rabbit starvation, rooted tubers and berries for micro nutrients and that covers most of it.

>>2839861
Why would I care? I'll be dead.

>>2840649
He would also break into cabins earlier in his journey and steal supplies and money, despite wanting to live without money. Lol. I mean I get it, he was living a Thoreauean vagabond lifestyle....

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>>2839861
The source of your misery is you son.

>>2840058
when you reach that holy shit bro, you are so outside of everything it's like you're a separate entity on earth and you should keep quiet

>>2843541
According to who?

>>2843545
he's mentally defective and fantasizes that his dissociative events are some form of enlightenment, but when he describes his poo brain going maxim poo it makes the people dealing with his shit try to get him into the mental health system, which for all its many many issues, still tells skitzofags they talk like fags and their shit is retarded, and to take their meds.

>>2844079
bump

>>2830740
He could have spent 6 months practicing, doing dry runs in the wilderness for 2 weeks. Hew could have done a relay trip where he goes back to get another backpack of food and then leaves it buried in a place that he can return to. He could have chosen a more hospitable place to fuck off to, not Alaska, that's a guaranteed death in winter. Why not Northern texas?

He could have actually become competent and planned ahead, and he would still be alive. There is nothing to celebrate, his memory is only noble to his family. Fuck his cunt sister in that shit film too.

>>2836075
>my Aunt picked him up and drove him to the hot springs on his way up to Alaska.
Your aunt was the hot springs back in the day, guy stopped at an outfitters before fucking off into the trees and told me all about her. She picked me up too.

>>2831002
>Choosing an excruciating death by mauling over succumbing to the gay thoughts
The last based fag

>>2840649
How tf does plastic make the berries mold? Genuinely curious. What would be the alternative then? Obviously you're not gonna carry multiple glass jars and pots into the wilderness.

>>2846373
Sealing up moist produce in something airtight like plastic jars or bags leads to mold because of the trapped moisture. You need to preserve the fruit first but drying it or turning it into... preserves.

>>2846427
How do pickles work then? That thing is airtight sealed yet it's full of moisture, matter of fact those cucumbers are basically swimming in there.

>>2846432
Salt content is too high or pH is too low, depending on how the pickles were made and how old they are.

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>AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIII MY RICH PARENTS WANT TO GIVE ME A NEW CAR AND LET ME STUDY USELESS GARBAGE I WANT OUT OF THIS HELL
>I WILL USE MY REAL LIFE SKILLS TO BRAVE NATURE LIKE I BRAVED LIBERAL ARTS EXAMS

>>2846973
what the fuck is this saying, those cant be classes

>>2846983
There are a thousand thousand variations of hyperspecific nonsense in academia. Women’s Studies is a rigorous scientific field in comparison to about a third of them. I was looking through the catalog of a school that I was applying to back in 2006 and they had literal Hotep We Wuz Kings nonsense as a whole course path you could take under Black Egyptian Studies. 101-401.

It’s the main reason I didn’t go to that school, they did accept me and it was a proper state college and just as prestigious as my actual alma mater.

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>>2831198
>4 mile hike
>in the fucking NM desert
>Brought ONE LITER OF WATER FOR THREE PEOPLE

Darwin is pissed these retards had a kid that survived

>>2830740
Both,
Quintessentially celtic

>>2846325
But that would involve thinking, planning, and effort.

>>2830741
Don't forget the fact he refused to use maps and only starved to death because he was a unaware of an access road like 2 and a half miles from his shelter.

>>2850135
How far was he "hunting" that he didn't walk two miles from his shelter?

>>2848073
Average day in the southwest for Search and Rescue

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>>2830743
>>2830766
>>2831349
that whole story is such a can of worms

the latest theory amongst internet sleuths that have done A LOT of legit research on the case, is that a local town drunk and unstable violent dude had chased them off the main road, possibly with a firearm. he admitted to having seen them on the road but kept making up stories that varied in detail and made no sense about what happened

the other great debate is just HOW retarded were those guys. one of them had even served in the army, which doesn't have to mean he was very smart but he'd at least be able to distribute the emergency rations to the other tards and known some basic shit about survival.

of course the UFO and 'squatch communities have gotten on the case as well with their usualy schizo theories, personally I think that if it was supernatural things that made them get lost, it was the gnomes

>>2834319
>Like you could do better
yes, much better actually

>>2836896
hobos are multiple tiers above the trust fund larper

>kills a big moose for food
>acts surprised when it spoils
>wasted the entire carcass
retarded I think

>>2851295
Hobos are multiple tiers below a piece of rotted dog shit

>>2831198
>jew york times
>paywall
i dont suscribe to jewry can someone paste the text?

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>>2830989
24 Hours of Lemons is a thing if that's what you want.

>>2852521
nah those people actually make cars run for 24hrs they've achieved much more then mcretardless

>>2830809
fair enough

>>2830809
>semantics wankery
Yawn

>>2836280
To be fair they got really unlucky in Morocco. Female vloggers travel Iran, Pakistan, Albania, fucking Iraq and didn't have issues.
Which is beyond retarded and needlessly dangerous don't get me wrong, but that country should be safe for tourists you need to be an absolute retard and and unlucky bastard to get beheaded there.

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>>2851294
>>2834745
One mistake, one single blind spot, can be the death of you in situations like these. To presuppose you're absolute control over the natural world is to relinquish the very possibility from your grasp. Arrogant fools.
>>2836086
At least he died challenging himself to live true to his values. Doesn't that sound better than being just another bitter coward throwing insults at the dead? Those that lack the Faustian spirit can never seem to go without slandering it.
>>2835018
>doesn't sound like he was in control of the situation at all.
Who is? You would dismiss the active mans attempted struggle based purely on his later collapse under it's weight. "Captain hindsight" doesn't even cover it. How can you know your limits should you choose to never test them? There is no end to the preparation that could be expected of you in an environment like that, the mere fact that he made it as long as he did is meaningful. You're nihilistic disengagement with his struggle has relegated you to the self imposed undeath of the critic-at-a-distance. Every Anon dies, but not every Anon truly lives.

>>2852741
He's right. If you can't preserve the food, then you starve.

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>>2833113
transitioning would have saved her...

He was a vagabond for most of his post-college adventures. Relied on people to help him get by while in the lower 48. Then went full retard in Alaska and ended up dying when he was actually on his own.

>>2832865
>81 oh Jerusalem!

>>2848073
To be honest I can understand it. When I did the hike down to Indian Garden and up again I was blown away by the 40°C heat and how much it took to get back up again. Luckily I had "overprepared" and brought a 3L camelbak + 1L gatorade, and a lot of snacks and food. But I saw a lot of people who saw it as a sort of tourist attraction that didnt really prepare well, granted most of them didnt go to down to Indian Garden, and there were rangers assessing people going down, but it only takes one dumb group.

Ive only dipped my toes into this retard's story, but can any explain how he couldnt just hike back for help? I understand he couldnt cross the river, but wasnt this bus on a trail? He was found just a couple of weeks after his death by hunters. Was he really that weak/paralyzed? Its not like he had to stay at the bus, he was well accustomed to sleeping in the wild, why didnt he try to hike out east?

>>2853579
He ran out of food because he was a goofball that couldn't plan ahead. He was afraid of the rugged Alaskan terrain so he didn't hike anywhere around his shelter. He couldn't have known the river crossing was right there, because he was terrified of going out and exploring.

>>2853579
As far as I know he consumed some plants referred to as potato seeds in his diary >>2832865
These he confused with another similar looking plant, the effects of consuming this plant causes the body to not digest food properly, so he couldn't absorb energy from the food he had. He didn't run out, he starved regardless of having available.

The youtube channel Horses did a video on him which was interesting to listen to/watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucwnfFzlDWw

>>2853776
*having food available.

>>2853579
he lacked the favstian spirit.

>>2853579
>he couldnt just hike back for help?
Very roughly : Cognitive impairment and lack of mobility caused by nutrient deficiency caused by getting most of his calories from a single plant source.

Of course /out/ likes to vilify him because they are jealous of his freedom I MEAN disagree with his beliefs.

>>2853789
>when you learn a new word from /pol/ and then have to spam it everywhere

>>2833302
If you have food but refuse to eat it, you lost the will to live.

>>2853896
It is not easy, for the sane, to understand how and when someone may loose their grasp of reality.
This reminds me of an almost comical effect that is often reported from enemy encounters in wars:
Some infantrists reportedly can be observed engaging in repetitive and only remotely related behaviours insgead of the actual fight, including cycling the action, swapping mags back and forth, repeatedly field strip and reassemble... all without an apparent reason.
Same with the many stories of people still falling for the 'you feel hot shortly before freezing', only to be found naked in sub zero temperatures later.
>>2853776
From what he wrote in his diary it is not credible that he ate wnough of what he ate. The wild game was not much at all. So he would have needed to eat a metric fuckton of the berries and seeds. Doubtful that he did. Starvation gradually takes place over months and is painless, at least for the most part.
Antinutrients, poison or none of all that, probably did not matter in the end as starvation will definately weaken you.
Moral of the story: You probably do need society to survive and no matter how far out, need to buy essential food stocks like grains once in a while. And keep several times the stock you believe you need.

Interesting thread.
I didn't know the movie was based on real events and that we had reports and diaries. I will look it up.
I remember this movie, it was the thing when it was released, and I hated it. My friend told me the entire movie including the end. I happened to watch it years later and was super disappointed, considered how much my friend glazed it. I found the protagonist pretentious. His quest of the "free" weird. Impossible to he inspired by him. Sounded like a teenager, I don't know. Aren't you free when you own a cabin in the woods? Why had he to be in wild nature, in such a dangerous biome, on top of that? I always hated pretentious characters. I like efficient and humble ones. I always think
>what makes you think you're above everyone else?
But on top of being pretentious, he looked delusional while running after an obvious chimera only him wasn't aware of. An illusion of free. Very weird. Sounded like a fool.
I was young too, so I judged harshly. Today I'm just curious about the infos of the real events (I love documenting murders and deaths) and am interested in his case because of what it would teach me to avoid dangerous situations I wouldn't be aware of.
Although the more I read about him the more I think he was not only bad at camping but also a pretentious piece of shit, like I thought.
Even admitting his goal was to survive in Alaska, which I still find retarded, but be it. Why didn't he go gradually? And refusing help of people? Sounds both dangerous but also delusional, pretentious. One of his main flaw seems to be his hubris, overestimating himself and ironically casually neglecting his own life, ignoring its fragility.
Wouldn't a normal person be aware of the danger and back up way before the fatal state he put himself in? Sounds like someone who can't admit being wrong or just has mental illnesses, or is stupid or illuminated.
>God
Yeah, sure.
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>>2854679
I recognize the berry shit is unlucky, but even ignoring it, it looks like he had a ton of other problems.
In the end, EVEN if I acknowledged his goal, all this shit would have been avoided if he just went toward said goal gradually, right? Learning how to hunt, how to preserve meat, which berries eat or not, learning about human body and its reactions under pressure in the wild. Also not being a total piece of shit refusing help of others? having a map…
I think, between the camp of anons considering him a free SOVL and the one of those considering him a pretentious retarded piece of shit, I'm part of the second one.
Will look it up, anyway.
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I just love reading about retards getting lost in the wild. And since no one mentioned them, i do
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Valley_Germans

>>2854680
i guess there is a certain naiveté and spirit that is very alluring to some people, it's like he has become this archetype for a certain kind of longing for the outside, but therein also lies his biggest mistake: being very naive about the whole thing. it's like his longing completely overwrote any sort of common sense, so instead of gradually working himself towards his goal, he just threw himself at it, believing he'd survive. even if he didn't have the problem with the berries, he essentially slowly starved himself and there is no way that any of what he was doing was healthy.

>>2854680
this type of back-to-nature excursion is the male equivalent of an eat pray love vacation for women

>>2854712
and that's a good thing

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>was he retarded? or free?
pointless

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>same question
still pointless

>>2830743
Knuckleheads

>>2831198
This happens to Europeans every year in the US

>>2854916
Yup. This happens annually Death Valley and Grand Canyon.

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>>2854682
>Death Valley
Let's all be honest. Doesn't anybody with one ounce of self-preservation instinct think maybe going alone with your gf AND YOUR TWO CHILDREN in one of the hottest place on the planet, in a desert, named:
>FUCKING DEATH VALLEY
is a bad idea?
I mean, sometimes you read the story, and you're
>damn, it's tragic people aren't aware of this niche information about this place being dangerous, unlucky
but there, he has no excuse, right?
>DEATH
>VALLEY
>DEATH
IT'S IN THE NAME
AND IT'S FUCKING HOT
WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED TO GO BACK?
>go in a location minivan
>the couple's skeletons are found in 2009
>no track of the children
>they probably left them somewhere
>either: "stay here we will come back" and never did
>or even: the children died before their eyes
Damn.
>scroll
>List of people who disappeared mysteriously : 1990 - Present
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_disappeared_mysteriously:_1990%E2%80%93present
>By the mid-1990s in the United States of America, the number of missing persons cases had grown to nearly 1 million, though this number declined by nearly half as of 2021.
>In the United Kingdom, it was estimated in 2009 that around 275,000 Britons go missing every year.
>You could think disappeared people would be counted in hundreds
>it's actually in hundred of thousands
>1990's are a peak with nearly 1,000,000
wtf
What a rabbit hole. Thanks, anon.
>disappeared April 14th 1990
>Alain Kan
>Paris, France
>said Alain Michel Zisa
>French singer
>Glam Rock
>one of his song is named "What Ever Happened To Alain Z. Kan (1979)"
Pottery.

>>2854679
fuck off klaus, your people lost their aryan spirit and have been nothing but soulless automatons ever since.

>>2855050
Not german, but I'll take this as a compliment. Hopefully the millenary reich to come.
Also people calling you of bot or automaton are naive irrational people larping as depressive poets, influenced by the meme of the young Werther, as if great figures of the European history were some dreaming faggots or something, while they actually were rational prosaic chads who were probably very insensible, very close to their self-interests.
I'm pretty sure Napoléon wouldn't have died like a retard in Alaska because he didn't bring a map and refused others' help. I can picture him flattered about the redneck offering him a meal
>Why yes, you recognized my imperial stature, didn't you, peasant. You'll be thanked for your charity, and made a rich man when I come back.
And not
>oh man the river melted
>I keep eating berries but I'm still weak, maybe they weren't the right ones?
>No thank, man. I'm a strong independant (dead) man!
>Oh jeez, guess I'll die. Well, I-I'm happy, peace to everyone and God is good!
Napoléon would have never!

>>2834319
>Like you could do better.
I'm still alive so I am doing better.

>>2854765
McCandless died a free man.

>>2830740
I don't care for how Krakauer tried to lionize him in the book and in my youth, I ridiculed him. Older now and my thoughts have changed. He was a lost soul coming from a shitty home life. His heart was in the right place, but the whole thing seemed like a long-winded form of suicide. Christopher probably thought that he could never go back home again.

>>2832865
>squirrels
>squirrels
>birds
>berries
>birds
>squirrels
He ran out of rice and died from malnutrition due to only eating small lean animals. Rabbit starvation. Should have caught some fatty fish.

>>2855525
It's fucked up discovering that your dad has a whole other family, and that yours is the illegitimate one. Nonetheless, they were rich, he was well off, educated and he had a good life. He was 22 and rebellious, had he made it to 25 he probably would have calmed down and lived a normal life.

>>2830740
All in all prefer a far more settled life. Scary how he looks, compared to me at my worst, in my worst circumstances. There's something kind of fascinating about the contrast between his whitely vigorous teeth, ravaged face, insane hair, and evenly trimmed beard.

>>2832865
>73 Ivan Ilych
This was a good book

>>2834912
not defending the retard but would you dare to walk miles into the unknown? hell, even half a mile is enough to get lost and never find your way back. Most people would just make do with the shelter of the bus.

>>2830766
>>2830743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sz2fNx0HW8

Wendigoon has a good video on it

>>2830740
to be free is to be retarded

why didn't the so called magic bus realize alexander was a member of the proletariat and provide the means to sustain life.

>>2858207
the wikipedia page likely has more info then some overly drawn out youtube slop.

>>2830740
Total freedom begets total retardation.
He was both.

>>2834319
All I'd have to donisnbring a sat phone. Boom I don't die and thus do better. It's called being a survivalist for a reason.

>>2836086
You barely even qualify as human.

>>2830740
One should always give him as an example when it comes to sveruge nature's argument and living without seeds and bread.

>>2830740
Yes

>>2830740
Obviously he died and thus failed, though through a strange "technicality" most people would not have anticipated. He could have survived if he had gotten help, or been more informed, or had he not been so ideological. I don't think it's right to either glamorize or hate him. He went up against nature, had a good run, and then died. It was far more of an effort to live in the wild than any of us will do in our lives, you, anon, sitting on the couch scrolling your phone or whatever with all the comfort and safety of modernity in reach. Still, he's dead and we are not

He's not a hero or even something to be emulated but I can still appreciate the effort. Also no one would care about this guy if there wasn't some gay book about him

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>>2858669
Haven't thought or read about this guy in a while and apparently Krakauer's theory about bean starvation is bullshit. He died because he didn't know what he was doing. Still, the same general sentiment. Idiot with a noble purpose.

>>2858670
I don't even get how much out of touch with reality people are to still be discussing this.
ITT: Anons probably never been outside just once.
This guy left a clear diary of what he ate. One or two small rodents or similar a day. The greens can be discounted outright, if anything they provide vitamins and micronutrients. Regarsing the wild game:
You need a handfull of rabbits every day if you want to survive through trapping or small game hunting. And that will still give you rabbit starvation. It will only cover your nominal energy requirement, as in you survive but you will loose your mind.
This guy was far from even meeting his energy requirement. Let alone anything else.
And going by his diary: He probably wasn't even aware but believed 2 rabbits and a squirrel a day and some edible greens are feeding him.
Now people will go on about how his background or academic success was somehow relevant or was part of the reason why this story is popular, while there is many like it. It's almost like that was telling about academia. So aparently he did study or whatever but at the same time had zero concept of the most basic and universal human knowledge: Like what and how much you need to eat.

>>2830740
he died so... retarded.

>>2830748
>short sided
short SIGHTED

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>>2831002
he should have been wearing this.

>>2858238
The slop actually had some interesting info on the background of the other guy stranded on the road that night that wikipedia doesn't mention.

>>2831002
Lmao

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>>2837852
Chris was a pretentious retard who thought he was a modern day American philosopher, found out how much of a dork he was at Slab City, then went to the Alaskan wilderness and died from making every kind of mistake he could in an attempt to gaslight himself into believing he's not a dork. Schools waste time and taxpayer dollars by teaching kids to idolize this mongoloid.

>>2838077
>majored in political science and African American studies
>"educated'

>>2834929
>calm
>no trauma
lol

>>2836984
i don't see any seething, just calling him the retard that he is