I dont know about that brand. I got the tasmanian tiger tt modular trooper pack. The 55l one. At the time it seemed like a waste of money but ive had it for 5 years now and it is bullet proof. Not only is it made to far higher specs than everything else I hurt myself quite badly and I need surgery. My L5-S1 disc is bulging out 9mm I cannot move without pain. I thought that would be the end of my hiking but the huge 'battle belt' that locks to my hips keeps my disc straight and transfers the weight perfectly. Thus I cannot recommend this pack enough.

>>2844795
Thanks for the info. I like the look of them and the support looks class! Thanks!

They make military shit that can withstand abuse and neglect. If you want to larp as a conscript of the Finnish Defence forces and have gear that you can give to your grandchildren, buy Savotta.
Your wallet and back will not be pleased.

Savotta stuff is good.

>>2844793
Yes their gear is worth it, you also pay royally for it. It's designed for military use.

>>2844793
Savotta makes good gear for the price. A forum I go on loves their stuff. Anything Varusteleka sells is pretty decent. Their knives are the upgraded mora I was spending a long time looking for. And their Skrama 240 is a fantastic multipurpose knife hatchet hybrid.

/p/ fag here, I bought a Savotta Kukkaro to hold my camera as a crossbody bag.
Great quality, durable as hell, and from anecdotal evidence very water resistant.
Last week I cycled about 70km through pouring rain with the bag on my back, about three and a half hours.
I was completely soaked by the end, but the inside of the bag was still dry.

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That pack weighs more than some people's kit for a 6 month hike... Fine if you're being paid to grind away your knee cartilage and develop back problems as a Finnish conscript but not for the free man who wants to walk long distances.

What is it for beyond military use? Carrying an obscene amount of shit in an industrial application? It's too delicate and covered in greebles to be a mountaineering or climbing haul pack, it's too heavy covered in useless webbing to be a dedicated hiking pack, it's too big for carry on luggage, it's too military spergazoic for civilian use and will get bad attention in a lot of countries.

>but I save money because it's built to be run over by a tank and thrown out of a helicopter so I'll definitely still be using it when I'm elderly
Save money by buying a simple used cordura pack from ebay, faceberg marketplace or a second hand store if that's actually your motivation, but it's usually not with you /fa/ types.

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>>2845248
>it's too military spergazoic for civilian use and will get bad attention in a lot of countries.
You've lost your credibility here.

>>2844831
based

>>2845262
It will though. Try being a fighting age male getting through a border control anywhere near Ukraine without being questioned and your bag searched. And the molle is pure larp for most people, if you need a bag with extra pockets and pouches.... they make those.

I'll never understand using 1000D cordura everywhere. Are you scraping the lid of your pack along granite as frequently as putting it down on its base? No, because I was guessing I'd say most of you are an upright biped who doesn't live in a series of narrow tunnels

1000D is like fabric sandpaper, it chews up anything it grinds against, for instance the nice outdoors clothing on your back.

>>2845329
every day I see 50+ fake amazon tier military packs with molle on them on my walk to town. I am cursed with living in a major city right now, but its a solid 5-20% of rucksacks I see on a given day.

Those ridiculous "Built for Athletes" bags that hyrox or crossfit faggots love are also very fashionable atm.

>>2845333
I've got the "fake" version of OP's backpack, looks just like it, from Amazon. This thing is rugged enough for me even if I overpack it which I do.

My only problem is that I can't fit/fix everything I need on/in it so I end up carrying my sleeping bag round my arm - the exact problem I tried so hard to avoid when buying! NONE of these backpack bastard companies put a functional area to PROPERLY tie things on, they just pretend.

>>2845339
have you tried getting a backpack designed for an overnight 50-65 liters and not a school bag 20-30 litres

>>2844793
PERKELLE

>>2845329
Why the fuck would anyone even approach the border of Ukraine, apart from fleeing from that collapsing shithole?

>>2844793
'member when the mods banned 'vottaposting? Never figured out why they did that.
Tbdesu I've never even seen a savotta backpack, everything here is Osprey.

>>2844793
Looks like a good pack, tho Im not sure if its that different in purpose and function from the jääkäri L. Like others have mentioned 1000D nylon means itll last a lifetime, but it also means you're dealing with a pack thats at least twice as heavy as it needs to be.

The FDF sleeping pad is a 5/5 product
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ceEZmedWQM

Kantamus 60L looks good in this ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXoaqirrmjg

t. used Savotta stuff in FDF

>>2845383
>overnight pack
>50-60L

What are you bringing for an overnight trip, your whole bedroom suite?

>>2845720
Was planning on bringing your mother, but unfortunately Savotta doesn't make the Kantamus 200L

>>2845765
kekk

>>2845720
I guess he means overnight AND cold weather.

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>>2845765

>>2844923
varusteleka only sells overpriced junk nowadays
they were cool like 10 years ago with the military surplus, but nowadays they deserve to be boycotted

>>2845939
Stuffs still good if expensive. They are going the fjallraven way though.

>>2845330
>1000D is like fabric sandpaper, it chews up anything it grinds against, for instance the nice outdoors clothing on your back.
this post is goated. I always wear my best enchanted shit for a hike and getting it torn up isn't fun.

>>2844793
get a Snugpack bergen 100L for 1/4th of the price

>>2845720
>>2845767
I mean personally i'm not going overnight anywhere without a tent I live in damn near ground zero for lyme disease and need to beable to sleep away from ticks atleast.

not op, looking for a new backpack for several day trips that will last me the next 10 years+. recommend me something.

the savotta kantamus 40L does look nice and has several features that would suit my needs very well. main downside seems to be that it is quite expensive, can be justified though if i will be happy with it for a long time.


what would alternatives be?

>>2844793
It's a completely basic military style daypack.
Does what it says, nothing more nothing less.
Weighs a fuckload, but you can strap as much shit as you want to it.
I think savotta is overpriced and heavy, but seems fine otherwise.

>>2847741
>It's a completely basic military style daypack
no one else really makes anything like that though, i know because i looked for chinese knockoffs of kantamus or jaakari but literally can't find any. i don't get it, the concept seems super simple: just make a basic ass tube bag and sew a a shit ton of molle (and maybe some buckles) on it

>>2847742
It's almost identical to the daypack we had when I served, but I think ours was 35 liters.

>>2847741
it weighs about as much as the mystery ranch backpacks i am looking at e.g. the bridger 45

not really interested in ultra light backpacking, just looking for something with some organisational capacities that will last me forever and is comfortable over longer hikes. i also very much dislike the bright colors of most backpacks.

>>2845720
You don’t go /out/ and it shows

>>2847752
This backpack isn't "not ultralight" its literally "ultra heavy" its not for carrying its for being shipped between deployment locations in military service. There is no other reasonable purpose for 1000D cordura

>>2847767
what would you suggest then?

>>2847772
anything using a lighter nylon with a reinforced bottom plate maybe. Essentially my point is you could get something made of 350d which you would never rip and it would half the weight.

>>2847774
the osprey atmos ag 50L and the mystery ranch bridger 45L e.g. use a lighter nylon and still weigh about as much as the kantamus.

>>2847775
I actually started to do some research for you but the fact you lied immediately is not encouraging me to assist you. The Kantamus 2.85kg is a third heavier then the mystery ranch 2.0kg and the osprey 1.9kg. The bridger 45 and osprey aswell are obviously designed to be used and worn for longer periods of time aswell with the inclusion of full back padding and proper modern hip supports.

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>>2847776
wut

i did not lie, why would i? pic related, the kantamus weighs 2,4kg, the atmos 1,95kg and the bridger 2kg. that is not a lot of difference and so far i did all of the research myself. you have been mostly talking about how 1000d is too heavy, not to mention that the kantamus is also made out of 500d cordura. if you dont want to help, no problem.

>>2847785
I compared the weight of the kantamus 60l as its the one in the OP of this thread. also the majority of the bag is 1000D you are an idiot. The main body of the pack is made from 1000D Cordura for high abrasion resistance, with details such as the back pad compartment and roll top being made from lighter and less coarse 500D.

>>2847787
oh you got me confused, i am not op, i am interested in the 40L version if anything. i do know that the bag is mostly 1000d but that is besides the point anyway, the backpack weighs about as much as the comparable bridger 45L and atmos 50L. wouldnt make sense to compare a 60L backpack to those

>>2847788
it also still weighs almost a whole pound more which is not insignificant when the products you are comparing weigh 4-6lb in total

>>2844793
>is it worth it
>tell me what to think
Underaged poster, it’s a backpack meant to carry stuff. Use your head and decide whether the amount of stuff you fantasize online about carrying with you is a large enough volume to necessitate a bag of an appropriately similar size.

You sound like an autistic child asking strangers if you are hungry or not and “what is the best food to eat”

I’m guessing you are curious about the bag for looks and/or name to somehow brag about. Or more likely with this board and the internet in general, you have zero intention of buying it and instead you’re just fishing for vicarious anecdotes that you will parrot forever to continue to role play online that it’s your own experience and thoughts.

Get it if you want it, don’t get it if you don’t. Nobody here cares. Grow up and think for yourself.

>>2847796
so what alternatives do you suggest?

>>2845329
There's no border controls near Ukraine, it's all EU

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I have the Chinesium version in the 50L version. The design of the backpack is excellent, very common sense and well formatted. I had to get a smaller sleeping bag so that i could carry it with the paracord webbing at the top but aside from that it carries everything well. The top pocket (under the cord) holds a lot of things, I keep my folding saw in there, knife, a headlamp, a hanging lamp, all sorts of stuff.

There are the everyday pockets that are necessary - no infuriating oversights - and then more little pockets here and there which become useful over time.
What I like is that there always seems to be enough room at the top of the main compartment for the 1 last thing I need, which is a multi-compartment bag of useful things.

It's quite adjustable for making it a comfortable carry but I lack experience in exactly how ergonomic a backpack can be. It's easy to get a system going with this format and I'm glad I cheaped out and bought the aliexpress version because it was only $60 in your money.

>picrel: a fabric chair that allows you to almost completely lean back. I lean it up against said backpack and have full back support. Crafty chinese I tell ya, and all so astonishingly cheap.

>>2847807

I think they may have been sued since I bought mine because now the same one is altered as to not be an exact copy. New version - mine has the semi-gay webbing around the outside like OP's pic.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mountain-Warehouse-High-35L-Rucksack/dp/B01GEENHJQ?th=1&psc=1

>>2847858
so you don't have the same product at all? what is your point in being in this thread, do you even know what material your bag is constructed from?

>>2847807
If I was gonna spend the type of money your looking at i'd be trying to spend it in expensive high performance materials not expensive high durability materials look into the Hyperlite backpacks that meld Dyneema and Poly for a perfect mix of full water and light resistance and the ability to drag your bag up a cliff face if your trad climbing. A modern product like that will serve you a lot better for the price if you intend to actually carry it places. Savottas 1000d products are primarily designed to move stuff in vehicles from point to point

>>2847891
Why do I need to know that? I know that it is very lightweight unpacked and that it holds together like a champ even with *all* my gear in it and has done for 5+ years. Aside from a few loose-ish stitches around the stress points it's still pretty new.

You'd do well to find one on ebay (Mountain Warehouse Up 50) instead of fetishizing your favourite material compounds, it would probably be 10x cheaper than your overpriced fagpack and still last for ages like mine. Only thing I had to replace was some paracord which I ripped.

>>2847907
Because this thread is someone asking for advice not completely random anecdotes if you also did any material research you'd then beable to purchase something for your use case not just shooting in the dark

>>2847855
>There's no border controls near Ukraine, it's all EU
Ukraine sure as fuck isn't E.U., so there's border control in and out of Ukraine, hopefully. Lest we end up being flooded by hohols and the africans they accepted in their country. (in my country the public at large recently learned about the "Ukrainian student refugees" who've been living and studying on our dime who were actually a bunch of Nigerians)
Neither are Belarus or Moldavia in the E.U.

Although that doesn't stop the other anon from being a complete retard who thinks anyone cares about "military looking" items. If you're not in a full uniform, you're fine.

>>2844793
>endgame
Your brain is full of mush.

>>2845248
i believe you are critically retarded

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I guess this is the backpack thread. I just got an older Gregory pack for free on marketplace, in good condition with the exception of the hip belt. The plastic inserts are both busted (see pic). Anyone tried replacing these, or similar?

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any experience with exped backs? it's not easy finding reviews on those

>>2847916
>(in my country the public at large recently learned about the "Ukrainian student refugees" who've been living and studying on our dime who were actually a bunch of Nigerians)
I wonder how many people’s governments have done this to them? Over half of the refugees who left Ukraine during the 2022 invasion have returned to Ukraine, and the flow of refugees never was as robust as predicted in the West, but the governments can’t let allocated money for things like that go unspent and God forbid they spend the money buying shells or missiles to help Ukraine remove the invaders instead.

My church sponsored 8 Ukrainian refugee families, the only ones that haven’t gone back are the three who fled Mariupol, and even one of those families had a son who went back after he turned 18 so he could enlist.

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I bought a US Army 65 liter pack for less than $100. It was cheap because it was in the US Army's Universal Camouflage Patte. UCP is cheap because it has been discontinued by the US Army and there is a lot of UCP mil surp available.
The pack is very durable and heavy. There are also sustainment pouches available that attach to the pack to add space outside of the pack for quick access to items.

>>2848388
Ucp is cheap because its ridiculously ugly

>>2848391
UCP is cheap. That is the point. You can pay more to take pretty gear out into the woods.

>>2844793
Any gear from Cactus is bulletproof
https://cactusoutdoor.co.nz/collections/packs-and-bags/products/patrol-pack

>>2848394
me personally I have ten dollars so the police and locals like me and don't assume i'm a schizo and accost me.

>>2848395
What is with these companies that list exactly 0 of the materials used in assembly. That to me is a clear sign they are ripping you off but idk unless they are using proper fabrics for the price and just not mentioning it as a selling point?

i have had a jakkari s for like 3 years and its already a bit fucked up
has some holes in it and one of the straps melted to shit on my motorcycle exhaust. you better buy a padded sleeve for any laptop you want to put in it also.
it wont last a lifetime but it will last a year of extreme use or maybe 5 of regular abuse.

>>2844795
>the tasmanian tiger tt modular trooper pack
I would never suggest to get a backpack with a zipper.
Zips on small compartments, sure but not on the main bulk of the pack. Just want a simple top loaded backpack.

>>2848588
pic or it didn't happen

>>2848647
its loaded in my truck I'll do it tomorrow if i remember

>>2848433
No one cares if someone is carrying a milsurp pack or gear. Everyone knows only REI retards pay premium prices for pretty gear.

I have the Jääkäri L for /out/ and general travel and the M for every day, have those for more than 3 years now, almost no wear out, they are cool and adaptable, which is what I wanted in the beginning with the additional bags/straps

I have both of them on black, so is no so larp intensive as some anons said here.

The M is kinda uncomfortable with a lot of weight but nothing else, I have used the 2 at the same tame in a long hike through Switzerland and everything was ok

The price is kinda high but imo is a good investment, but as >>2847797 said, get it if you wanted, I did that, and I have no regrets. Just larp as yourself and you will be fine

>>2850254
lmao sorry it was the L and S for everyday

>>2850254
black is way more "hardcore" larp then getting it in green. They do seem like a good choice for a short distance bag for rucking tools equipment etc. Trail building on route to hunting camp etc. For any sort of distance they are just overbuilt by a margin of a million 300d is overkill.

i buy my savottas in m05

I have one, its a very versatile daypack and robust. However for hiking, I would recommend a specialized hiking backpack as the shoulder straps and hip belt on the Savotta stuff is fairly thin to allow shooter mobility (being a military backpack and all) and in turn is not as comfortable as a regular hiking pack, for bushcraft it's great because you can tie anything to it and the fabric is really thick so no embers can really fuck it up.

>>2850322
cringe larper

>>2850629
it does a lot of things that are pretty nice, however, as you say, there are also backpacks that are actually more specialised for hiking that do have some nice features and are only half as expensive as savotta. a lot of them are adjustable to your back, making them more comfortable, and dont weigh nearly as much.

>>2848594
I despise the top loading backpack. It might just be my autism but I hate them. I hate them so much. I want to be able to strap everything in and open the entire compartment. I will never go back.

>>2850914
*pops open ur zippers*
psh, nothing personnel

Savotta enjoyer here
Owned 2 Jääkäri Ls, and I would consider my self a proud owner. Buy it for life kinda deal. Two because my first one got burned to the ground and they sent me a new one. I also daily drive their low-profile belt which in brown goes really well with any pair of jeans.
>>2850322
>>2850635
Even the fdf doesn't use M05 camo backbags

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>>2845248
>>2845329
Is this line of thought some kind of autism thing?
I see it parroted so often online. Meanwhile in the real world nobody gives a fuck. Punks typically wear surplus shit, and even bimbos wear camo for fashion nowadays, 5.11 molle backpacks and other tacticool shit aren't drawing anybody's attention. Even photo gear and bags have molle.
Some forest green backpacks will draw about as much attention as hiking boots.

>>2851288
>i see it parroted so often online. Meanwhile in the real world nobody gives a fuck
/fa/ggot here. the negative perception of molle gear is undoubtedly real. either they hate it because they think it's bulky and ugly like cargo shorts, or because they associate it with violent cops/paramilitary
>camo for fashion nowadays
the only camos "acceptable" for normalfags to wear are the very old ones that today is considered vintage. and even then they only wear it semi-ironically (because they think it's trashy, like trucker hats etc). if you wear the modern ones (including molle gear) you'll be seen as either a larper or someone who glorifies violence

maybe in another 20 years it's going to be seen as vintage and cool, but right now it's still not a good optics

>>2850920
I am confident it will last. It's four years and everything still seems brand new. Worst case I can have it repaired.

>>2851303
I only observe that with more dedicated gear like plate carriers, chest rigs and the modern weight vests who look like that.
Or when people are fully kitted out with multiple pieces like molle backpack+ cargo pants + military style shirt + combat boots etc.
But never with just backpacks.

>>2851303
where i live so many people use military backpacks and it's not just white cis males, but people from all backgrounds, including moms. it's such a common backpack design nowadays.

as for the thread: i wouldn't get a savotta, they are super expensive and heavy. there are better backpacks that will hold up just as well, have better features and are cheaper.

Holy smokes why does the Kantamus cost twice as much as a Jääkäri M?
>>2851350
Can't speak for the US but in Germany the Jääkäri has a very fair price for its quality. I can get an M for less money than a Tasmanian Tiger bag for example.

>>2851365
no idea, they aren't even that different, sure the kantamus has a few more features, but still,if you compare that with anything from osprey, then osprey does offer the better package for a cheaper price. i guess savotta stuff is at least mostly made in finland, unlike osprey which does produce in vietnam. ortovox for example do produce their backpacks fairly and they are in a similar price and feature range to osprey.

>>2851303
> either they hate it because they think it's bulky and ugly like cargo shorts, or because they associate it with violent cops/paramilitary
I can get behind that, unfortunately

>>2844793
I only buy eberlestock bags and they look space age compared that duffel bag. There are so many high end bag manufacturers in America but I resort to back to them for all around design. I just found Matador bags while overseas, I wonder which twinky EU country came up with them. Neat travel bags.

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I like it, although it's still almost brand new.
Held up its first hike well, despite being fully loaded while I also strapped my girlfriend's loaded backpack on it.

>>2851696
is that the S? cute

>>2851718
Yeah. I was split between this and the Kahakka, but the S's expandability convinced me. The pack and the two side pouches cost as much as the Kahakka and you can fit more in them.

>>2851696
I liked my Jääkäri S way more than I though I would.
Which is why I am considering getting an M with the aluminium frame.
I'd buy a Kantamus but as others have said the price increase by comparison to the Jääkäri is too unreasonable.

>>2851905
The Jaakari S is actually 30L if you completely roll up the top.
The two side pockets are 2x4 Ls, so 38 L in total. I think the 6 L side pouches can also be attached to it, so that'd make it 42 Ls. Add a GP pouch and you get 44 Ls.
I think the S could be even expanded to 50-something Ls this way, since it's covered in PALS webbing.

>>2851696
How does wearing the S feel like when it's loaded up to the max and have all sort of shit strapped to it?
I'm also interested in it because of its expandability, but honestly the straps looks so thin and uncomfortable. Plus it doesn't have hip belts as well, right?

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>>2851912
Surprisingly enough, it wasn't that bad. Sure, I felt the weight, but the straps weren't digging into my shoulders as I thought they would. Although I was wearing a jacket, so I guess that helped too.
Maxpedition and other brands sell separate shoulder pads that can be attached to the straps
>Plus it doesn't have hip belts
No, it doesn't, though you can buy a sternum strap if you want. Personally, I'm not a fan of them, hip belts never really worked out for me. Maybe you can add one if you're crafty enough.

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Classic green or coyote?
> inb4 "just get what you want"
No I really need some help here anons.

>>2851952
Depends on the backpack

>>2851913
you gotta actually wear the hip belt over your hips.

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>>2851952
>>2851968
Jääkäri M

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>>2851696
It’s honestly the best backpack. I can set mine up for a day hike, or a 3 day hunt or a LARP RECCE mission. The jaakari S is amazing l, I like it a lot better than the new 25L one that came out I had it and returned it. I modded my small out though, I put on the Savotta shoulder pads, cut off the side straps cus they’re useless and used them as a chest strap, I hid a bench made SOCP behind one of my side pockets so you can’t even see it. I got the butt pad also and cut a Z lite pad to sit behind it so it’s double padded. I carry the Savotta fanny pack inside the backpack as a pocket

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>>2851991
I’ve also had this pack since 2018 and have used it for anything involving a backpack since then practically, including a diaper bag for my 3 kids

>>2851981
Green looks better imo. It is and isn't militaristic at the same time. Coyote lokks like it was made for the Aussie desert.

>>2851991
>I modded my small out though, I put on the Savotta shoulder pads
The Kahakka one? Didn't know you could do that

>>2851998
thanks anon
green it shall be

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I remember reading that Savotta packs are very vulnerable to salt water because of their zippers.
This true? The website doesn't seem to specify what they are made of.

i just found out that the backpack i've been using for the past 10 years has a volumne of 23 litres and not 30. So I will probably get a 30 litres backpack and not a 40 one. I guess, for day trips 30 litres should suffice and 40 might be a bit too much. Or what do you think?

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New 'votta just dropped.

>>2852141
looks lame
i assume this is their attempt to start a "gray man" (more like gay man amirite) line like hazard4 did. in that case, why is it still in olive drab instead of a more civilian-looking colors like light grey (or even better: pink)?

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>>2852166
>looks lame
Agree. I also don't like the over-reliance on zippers.
Apparently it's for the redditors who found the PALS system too militaristic.

>>2852172
>redditors who found the PALS system too militaristic.
kek my first search result for this new bag was a reddit thread, and they're complaining about the velcro looking too tacticool

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>>2852141
Isn't it essentially Savotta's own version of the Varusteleka CP15?

What's the difference?

>>2852225
it doesn't have the scary black high capacity assault webbing for starters

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Probably the place to ask: Any recommendations for a bag like Fjallraven Varmland?

I didn't buy it before & now it's out-of-production/stock everywhere.

>>2852249
check out bleu de chauffe, they have something similar

>>2844831
>If you want to larp as a conscript of the Finnish Defence forces
There are two options:
1. You are never served
2. You do not own anything civil market Savotta

In active use these backpacks will be worn down, lose weight and be easier to use.
I don't know how but that is my experience about most military stuff.

>>2847726
I think savotta stuff has a good price point.
If you account for it lasting for your lifetime.
>>2848232
Check makers sites for replacement parts and fixing service.
If they do not have any try contacting them.
>Maker doesn't exista anymore.
Ask /diy/ or make thread in /out/
I bet there is more than few people here who would like to hear about repairs.
>>2848388
>I bought soviet soviet vesmeshok in 1945 and it has served me well since then. Highly recommended.
You get the idea.

Old surplus might be good but if you are planning to get something for rest pf your life. You might as well pay a little more for better backpack

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Only the Jaakari line truly makes sense.
All other products by Savotta are simply the exploitation of their autistic fan base.

PROVE ME WRONG

>>2852367
Truke.
Although the Kantamus also looks good, it's like an upgraded Jaakari and the pouches also make sense. I also like the 18L Medic Pack, i think it's a proper daypack.
But those orange trinket pouches make no sense to me and the Kahakka does the same thing as the Jaakari S, only a little better. But if you upgrade the Jaakari S with side poches it easily surpasses the Kahakka.
Better buy from them now, before they go mainstream and the inevitable quality drop happens.

>>2852368
>before they go mainstream and the inevitable quality drop happens
Not gonna happen, unlike for example fjallraven/mystery ranch/etc savotta's branding is too niche and specific towards military/military larpers

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>>2852297
Nah, their camp backpack has several faults in comparison

>20L vs 35L
>suede instead of polyester/wool
>thin straps
>bare internal organisation
>single zipper pocket

It looks like something you might take to a bistro

>>2852370
it's not a technical backpack, true. but they are pretty nice. i think they do have more technical ones but in different designs. also, each backpack is handmade in france by a single person.

>>2852369
The newest Niukka feels more civilian than military larp. It's for blue collar workers at best, or citycuck redditors who've only seen trees in parks at worst.

>>2852373
No I'm talking about their branding. Their website, marketing, everything is themed around what is basically NATO propaganda (ffs they literally called their newsletter subscription "propaganda"). It's not something that the mainstream public would stomach very well (well unless they're willing to do a complete overhaul of course, which i doubt)

>>2852369
>Military/milarp
Savotta's branding is pretty much entirely built towards Finns.
Most men have served.
Hunting is a huge thing.
Hiking is popular.
Hunters use camo.
People don't like to stand out innawoods.
We have aroun 50k people in reservist union.
People know that it is built to be handled by conscripts.
Most of Finland is forests, swamps and lakes.
And somehow earthy colors and adptability is military larp?

>>2852375
Tonninseteli

>>2852386
it's such a shame that looking like nature is so strongly associated with military. i am really not a fan of a lot of hiking gear with their bright colorful designs. i guess it does make sense, if something happens while out hiking you want to be able to be seen, but then, there is other ways to achieve this.

>>2852370
>>2852249
both of these bags are for taking a textbook to a college class idk how you think the Fjallraven one is so much better lmao.

>>2852389
The reason you wear bright colours hiking is so you don't get shot by someone hunting. As someone hiking biking etc just for fun you have a duty to make yourself obvious to people who are in the woods doing actually important things like hunting or work.

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>>2852391
The Varmland was a mainstream version of the TA Trekker - which also is EOL

I just want a big cinch-top bag that sits flat on the ground & has some internal side pockets.

>>2852392
makes sense, but a lot of trails are far away from any hunting grounds. just look at alpine hikes for example. there is barely anything that grows there, nor are there many animals and yet still most alpine gear is brightly colored

>>2852389
>if something happens while out hiking you want to be able to be seen, but then
it's more for helping searchers to better spot your body, or atleast bits and pieces of it, once you can no longer do this:
>there is other ways to achieve this.

>>2852407
there is stuff like recco tags, that make being searched for more easy, without you having to wear brightly colored clothes.

>>2852394
Thats because if you are in trouble on a exposed ridge or glacier anywhere with snow, possible avalanche conditions etc you want to be seen as rescue a major potential even if its just a rescue from within your own team or teams.

what are the go-to sites for surplus that ship internationally?

What emergency food bars (grab n go) for like a get home bag are you guys using? Would Larabar bars be a good option?

>>2852416
>recco tags
The "Recovering Extremely Cold Corpses Occasionally" tag? That tag?
Nah thanks, i'd love to better maximize my chances

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>>2852373
>CITYKEK REDDITORS

My sides

Is there a meme option for general-purpose outdoors backpacks but with a rolltop?
Really I just want less features: one big compartment, highly elastic side and front open pockets for water / long items / garbage I collect, and daisy chains and other attachment points for everything else. Ideally in a 40L-ish pack.
Everything in this category seems to be ultralight stuff (like hyperlite brand) that both sticks out like sore thumb, and is fragile compared to my other backpacks. I can't be too mad though because these bags did convert me to rolltops, which I can no longer go without. But I can't find any options for this that aren't ultralight thruhiker kind of stuff.

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>>2848647
Here I been busy., there's this large one and then a small one on the back.

I just installed two side pouches and remembered.
These cheap side pouches fit PERFECTLY on the S. It's going to provide some much needed capacity in a couple weeks for a Japan trip.
The sides are this, can't speak for the quality, just the fit. https://www.amazon.com/gp/d/B08P6Z3B2Q

>>2853083
what do you like so much about rolltops? for me it seems like the backpack just ends up being a sack where you cant easily access most of your gear.

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>>2844793
Why would I buy this and not some milsurp shit used for dirt cheap?

>>2853446
>why would i buy a ferrari and not some cheap beat up 90s honda?

>>2853420
- expands / contracts to fit my varying amount of gear / food. (frequently accessed stuff goes in the back elastic netting or elastic side pouches)
- no zippers to break or get in the way
it's one of those items where you trade off simplicity for something very slightly less convenient. In practice it doesn't take more than an extra 2 seconds to get in / out of them, and if I'm out all day I'll only go into the main pocket 2-3 times anyway. Tbh I didn't think I'd like them so much until I got one.

>>2853500
I prefer used shit and just do repairs myself if needed. Stitching isnt hard. Did it plenty when I was in the Corps

>>2853508
>Stitching isnt hard
Feminine energy post

>>2853521
Lol

>>2853501
alright, fair enough.

from my experience backpacking, i want to try something with more easy access to stuff. for extra storage i did quite well so far by attaching stuff to the outside of my current backpack. a lot backpacks that do have rolltops at least offer a way to enter the backpack through the side as well.

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So why did Savotta discontinue their horizontal pouches? So people would buy their fanny packs?
That's cool, but I can't put those things on my Jaakari.

>>2844793
Once my gifted Rush24 dies I would probably buy Savotta

>>2853727
let me tell you a secret anon: molle is compatible with other brands, not just savotta

not op. when this thread started i thought i was gonna get a savotta, but after lots of research i decided against it. they are super expensive and heavy. they do like kinda cool, but what they offer in terms of price is not worth it. any sort of accessories are also even more expensive. i think there is a lot of backpacks specifically designed for hiking that offer better features. like some other anons said, you don't need 500d cordura and molle. lots of backpacks offer materials that are super durable and lightweight.

i'll be getting one from klättermusen soon. we'll see how that goes.

>>2855900
pretty much what you said, I bought a jääkäri m not too long ago to hike with and it was great but then I decided to buy boots crampons and an ice axe to get into mountaineering and the savotta is just too heavy, the molle and straps are actually good for mountaineering where you have a lot of stuff to attach and hold but the weight just kills it for me, though I would say if anybody is interested in it for hiking short distances, hunting or any activity that involves smacking the backpack a lot then you cant do better than savotta, even when traveling it can be great, I managed to attach la sportiva mountaineering boots using the side straps and it worked fantastic

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>>2844793
I have a RP80. Frame and carry system is the best part. The pack is alright, my only real critique is that the roll top isn't long enough so you can overfill it. I'd like that space to throw in bulky stuff on top.
Having an external frame makes it easy to strap on a big drybag or other pack.

>>2855925
can't you just put another backpack lid on it?

>>2844793
I can't justify the expense in my mind, it would feel like a high-end accessory that shouldn't get dirty. For 25/$30 I just got a Eurohike 65 litre (picrel) and it feels extremely plush and luxurious, it has a frame, it's extremely ergonomic, and frankly it seems like something from the future, a hyper-engineered piece of kit for the price of some fast food. All the reviews I've read say it is as tough as nails over extended periods of use, my other cheapo one is too (but is small for winter).

It leaves me wondering how on earth I could spend TEN TIMES the amount and expect much more functionality when the low end of the market provides 99% of the comfort and function. But this might also be because I'm a manlet, tall people always seem to complain about their packs whereas any I try fits me like a glove.

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>>2855944
My 5'6 winter camping teepee fits in the bottom pod when compressed, this makes life much easier than stuffing it into the main compartment and immediately taking up 50% of the storage space.

>>2855936
Yes, you can add a lid and stuff another drybag on top, but it doesn't really solve the problem if you want things secure inside the bag. It's just a slight annoyance and it's designed to not stick up above your head. A couple more inches would be nice or a snow lock inside that extend above.

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Its great and you dont need to buy exclusive savotta aftermarket gear to make it YOUR pack

>>2855878
I don't really want on that's a different color, I guess.
Also, it's really hard to find PALS horizontal pouches, for some reason.

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>>2844793
>>2856041
i spoke against savotta for many years here and apparently i was forgotten
sure they are indestructible and every finnish person swears by them because of the LJK (the one who made them great and what every sc/out/ was forced to carry in the army)

>you dont need to buy exclusive savotta aftermarket gear to make it YOUR pack
but you do need to purchase variety of molle pockets no matter the brand because their own bags are designed not to accumulate anything in their side pockets unless the bag is completely empy, hell even in your own pic you have strapped on some aftermarket pouch for that very same reason

they are rugged bags but designed so that you have to get accessory pouches by default
also keep in mind that the paid shill from finnish company varusteleka posts here himself regularly and promotes this shit

>>2857750
>they are rugged bags but designed so that you have to get accessory pouches by default

yeah, that always irked me with military style backpacks, and especially with savotta. their stuff looks nice, but their backpacks are super minimal in their features and having the adaptability is a sort of "selling point" for them, BUT they are already super expensive for what they offer and they weigh a ton, and then on top of that you have the option to buy small pouches, that for their size, are even more expensive and weigh even more, so you can have basic functionality that should be there to begin with.

i bought a maxpedition backpack 10 years ago and while the idea of adding pouches to the outside was nice and may have played into why i originally bought it, i never actually ever bothered buying anything extra for the backpack. i think it makes more sense to find a backpack that already has all the features you want.

i dont think i will buy a military backpack again. the maxpedition served me well, but i dont see the point anymore. other backpacks do their job just as well

>>2851993
>3 kids
Based breeder

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For me, it's ESSL.
Unbeatable value for money.

>>2859391
but anon, where is all the molle/pals webbing hidden?

>>2859393
If you look really closely, you will notice that there are additional bags cleverly integrated into the outside shell of the pack, a totally new and radical technique!

>>2859402
this makes no sense at all, anon! are you meaning to tell me, that i should throw all my money into the trash, and burn it, instead of spending it on backpack extras?

>>2859446
You can use the extra money to buy expensive folding knives, for example.

>>2857750
>but you do need to purchase variety of molle pockets
if you're a normalfag maybe. the audience savotta is marketing to typically already have tons of molle pouches (be it from their time in military. shooting hobby, or even just larping etc)