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>litres
40 - 60 l

>body size/build
tall

>what does it need to have
fixed and straight back system, zip reaching to bottom parts for easy access

>budget range
$400

>short list
Can't find anything with normal back system. Everything seems to have this retarded system which compresses your upper spine.

>pic related, it's more than 10 years old at this point and starting to fall apart

>>2853345
>Everything seems to have this retarded system which compresses your upper spine.
What?

>>2853346
hes talking about gravity

what are those old canvas scrotum bags called again?

>>2853345
Do you know what the hip belt is for? It sits on your hip bone and should support the backpack on its own if you want it to.

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Anyone got any experience with Klättermusen backpacks?
Thinking of getting the Kare or Gyme as an all around backpack for daytrips, mostly hiking and some climbing in off season and as a generel daypack..

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I spent ages waxing one of these canvas M60 czech backpacks with pure beeswax and I haven't taken it outside once. It feels and smells really nice now though, the fabric is all stiff and it holds its shape empty way better than it did before. The original straps on these are also suspenders that can attach to your belt (presumably intended for the original czech webbing). They also attach with hooks onto D-rings on the bag, so you can attach aftermarket straps. The hooks themselves are pretty awful and always detach; some people say you can bend them so they can't come off but I'm more convinced that tying them on or something would work better. What do you think about autistic hipster canvas backpacks bros?

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>>2853346
>>2853350
>>2853398
Pic is Mystery Ranch Coulee. Look at how the top is structured. The more weight you put in the more will the top envelop and compress your upper spine. A proper back system will not distribute weight in such a manner.
>just use hip belt
Yes, hip belt is a good thing, but it doesn't help with shittily designed upper back system.

>>2853561
So does that pack not have an internal frame?
Pretty shit if so, not sure what the problem is otherwise.

>>2853561
The hip belt is the solution, you are supposed to have as much of your pack weight there as possible and the upper straps are just holding the pack close to your back to help keep the weight on the hips better, your shoulders and upper back shouldnt feel much of any weight regardless of the design.

>>2853548
They're good.
I also had an autistic canvas backpack phase, but I dropped it a few months ago when I bought a Savotta.
I used mine as an every day carry for 3 years, it held up well, despite the abuse. The idea was that if WWII soldiers used bags of this size and material and fought through the Eastern Front for years, then why would I need more?
I still have it though, I just don't use it that much anymore. I could use it for another 6 years before it fell apart.

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First time posting; I apologize in advance for the "normie" search.
>litres
15~20L
>body size/build
I'm *very* short.
>what does it need to have
So long as it has a big compartment and water bottle holder, everything else is negotiable.
>budget range
Max I'm willing to spend is $70.

I'm not looking for an everyday bag per se, just something bulky enough to transport things (tupperware, books, perhaps a game console) every once in a while. There are a lot of options online but I'm a bit overwhelmed considering none of it looks particularly durable.

>>2853830
Don't buy online until you've had it in your hands. Space is everything. Have a look at Osaka's hockey rucksacks, they're very good quality. For 70$ you already get a 40L one. https://osakaworld.com/search?q=rucksack&options%5Bprefix%5D=last

>>2853344
>that tying them on or something would work better. What do you think about autistic hipster canvas backpacks bros?

Dont buy canvas, if youre larping and going for overnight shit then canvas is fine. If youre serious about camping synthetic materials are lighter and oddly enough more durable. ive never had synthetic shit mold but ive had plenty of canvas mold and it takes forever to dry and traps water.

I used to have a 85L Kelty Asher, but after walking with it for a month in Europe i got rid of it due to the wasted space and h ave sense moved to a smaller pack since ive gotten more serious into weekend backpacking.

I use a 37L Weekender Pack from LLBean. its just enough interior space for a full kit and extras. it has spots for mounting an axe or whatever to the outside of your bag. Ive probably walked 70/80 miles with the new bag and have gotten my base weight down from 50lbs to 38lbs with three days of food and water.

how much weight should be on this hips vs. the shoulders?

>>2854010
is it viable to keep the bigger bag but make an inside frame to hold shape?

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>>2854011
Try to place the heaviest things such as water against your upper back and things like sleeping bag in the lowest portion of the bag.

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Can I get some tips for my next outting? I'm fairly intermediate when it comes to bushcraft and survival, I've lived on the road and in the wilderness for five years but I'm in a period where I have a stipend and education affording me a place to live. I can a get job after this but if I do it'll be remote, down the road is where I belong as a person and it's the only place I've found with happiness and wonder still in life. This time I want to be well equipped without also being an easy target to get robbed with a bunch of expensive ultralight gear.

I've got a 65 liter Martingtop, it's very nice besides feeling a little cramped, but it's also unassuming. I want to bring a tarp but I'm unsure if I should get a 10x10 or a 10x13, my goal is to have a little space around my 1 person tent or hammock that I can comfortably cook or sit out of the rain. I have a 13x13 right now that I was going to use if I get a vehicle, but it's easily too big for me to fit along with my clothing.

I usually travel for years at a time out on the road, but somehow I still don't have a good idea of what I want or need when it comes to equipment and gear. I don't mind heavier loads full of extra shit if it means more comfort on the road, I walked without a break from Crescent City CA to Santa Rosa carrying a 45~ lb backpack with a broken waist strap and it really wasn't too bad. Maybe I'd rather go light weight though, and have just a light sleeping bag and a tarp and a bug net hammock. Does anyone have experience with both? My main enemies on the road so far have been bugs, rain, and humidity, so I'm mostly focused on preparing against those.

Also this is a comfort thing for me, but I really hate shit being attached to the outside of my pack and prefer it all to pack in easily and be safe in the liner. Is this me being a retard, should I be maximizing the outside of my pack space as well?

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>>2853344
Anyone recommend a good back pack for fishing-camping combo? Don't necessarily need a pole holder just something where I can make adjustments to attach a pole to the side and room for two 6inch bait boxes. Looking for something that won't break the budget.
Anyone have experience with this?

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I heard on /g/csg/ that Naturehikes 20l ultralight is a good deal for 40 eur https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007795883858.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.2.16a5276bW2HMJJ&algo_pvid=b1950ffa-4d84-4727-abe2-767b97c59d11&algo_exp_id=b1950ffa-4d84-4727-abe2-767b97c59d11-1&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%2214%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%2C%22fromPage%22%3A%22search%22%7D&pdp_npi=6%40dis%21SEK%21947.32%21374.84%21%21%21701.93%21277.75%21%40211b807017683185624524516e1545%2112000042231750631%21sea%21SE%210%21ABX%211%210%21n_tag%3A-29910%3Bd%3Aca781b14%3Bm03_new_user%3A-29895%3BpisId%3A5000000197845593&curPageLogUid=9TSOdPGzMDr3&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A%7Cx_object_id%3A1005007795883858%7C_p_origin_prod%3A#nav-review
Im looking for a small durable backpack for the
daily small adventures, does anyone have experience with this one?

>>2857518
this looks like a rip off from ortovox' backpacks

maybe it's just me, but i wouldnt spend just 40 bucks on a backpack. i'd rather buy fewer products, with better build quality and design, low environmental impact, that aren't produced by literal children, so i can enjoy said product for many years to come instead of accumulating even more garbage

>>2854890
probably better to ask in the fishing general thread. there are quite a few brands that are specialised in fishing backpacks and equipment, but i don't know them. i just know that chestpacks are pretty popular with fishers.

>>2853344
>litres
30-50
>body size/build
Tall and skinny
>what does it need to have
Well it can’t have a hip belt. I have an ALICE rig for my water and a lot of my gear, but need something for my woobie in its stuff sack and also my 1 person tent. Don’t need something tactical looking.
>budget range
$100 at most
Something that looks like >>2853399 would be good

what capacity and weight of the backpack itself should I look at for weekend trips?

>body
tall and fat, between XL and XXL euro sizing
>what does it need to have
I guess I want to be able to strap the tent to the bottom if I ever need to pack it in the rain
>budget
300e

I was using 28l pack and strapping shit to it. it was terrible.

>>2857719
I’m a fat fuck (125kg), and use an Osprey Atmos 65 liter with the 5l brain bag. It just works, and the hip belt Can easily fit around my gut.
You can’t strap anything under the bag, but depending on the size of your tent, it should fit in the front pocket. At least my 2p tent does.

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>>2853345
>Can't find anything with normal back system. Everything seems to have this retarded system which compresses your upper spine.
You mean the "Anti-Gravity™" system?
I'm 182cm tall, a fat fuck at 125kg, and my Osprey haven't failed me yet, or given me any back pain.

Looking at a Deuter Futura 29L, only thing I'm not sure about is that is has like a mesh suspension trampoline whatever you call it system for the back. Are these actually any good? Was trying to look for backpacks made for taller people in mind (6'4) but most I found from Gregory and Osprey that seems to fit the bill have this suspension thing.
Bit worried about durability but is it much of a concern and are they a meme or not? I always have trouble with sweat on my back but I've only ever had like cheap 20 euro backpacks

is a 40l pack too big to carry for day use
if it's not jutting above head whats wrong with carrying a half empty pack right

>>2854152
backpacks used to have a lot of straps but they're usually smooth now

>>2859339
it is. i recently got a 30L backpack that I think is amazing, however for day use it is too big. the hip straps can't be removed, so they are always sort of in the way and the volumne is just too much. backpacks are more comfortable if they are filled at least to a certain degree. they do need some weight to push them down for example.

now i am gonna use this backpack for longer dayhikes and multiday hikes or if i need to carry stuff when i will be staying overnight somewhere. for general day use i have 2 backpacks, one small leather backpack that has a volumne of about 10 litres and one 20 litre military style backpack that i intend to replace with something else, non military, in 20 litres. i think 20 litres is a pretty good size for day use, you can carry a few things and also have enough space should you need more.

i almost got a 40L backpack when i bought the 30L and I am glad i did not. i like the 30L so much, that i will still keep it, and probably get something else from the same brand. i am just impressed with the quality and features of the whole thing.

>>2859387
i have a 25L pack right now since two decades and i don't think i want to carry anything smaller than that 10L is just ridiculous
a goldilocks size between everyday pack and multiday would be great since i don't want many different packs
if you're going to buy a pack its generally right to buy an outdoor one anyway right since they're more durable and offer decade long warranties in that case who cares if the waist straps hang out it just werks how do they do with laptops etc
then theres also the whole thing with carryin limit

Rothco packs?

>>2859403
i bought the 10L specifically because using a 20L backpack to public gatherings is just too big. it always gets in the way. with the 10L i can carry my essentials and not have my backpack push against people in crowds like public transport. the 20L is overkill a lot of times. i also dont have a laptop.

>>2859443
10l seems like side bag territory then you can throw it around change your profile to weave between people in public

I am looking for a simple, inexpensive day bag, ~$120 or less
I want it to be simple, and light. No stupid straps everywhere or a dozen zippers.
~20 liters, a few compartments, no tech.
I was checking out Duente and Ospray.
What would you recommend?

>>2859711
Jansport

>>2857719
35-45l is my ideal size for weekend packs/bags. Bottom straps are hard to find at that size. Try a NorthFace Terra40 if you can find one in a shop.

>>2859459
Side bags are shit
They fuck up your spinal alignment.
I know lots of idiots bikers with bad backs because they bought into the side bag meme.

The only reason they exist is because idiots prioritize fashion over functionality.

>>2859443
You don't need a backpack: you need a purse. Your main criteria is you want to look out while not actually being out.

how do you retroactively add waterproofing and waist strap capability to a largish bag

>>2859760
>waterproofing
Depends on the material. The easiest way is to just put your stuff inside a garbage bag inside the pack, and let the pack get wet. If you want to make a regular backpack into a waterproof bag you are in for a lot of disappointment.

> and waist strap
needle and thread.

>>2859737
>You don't need a backpack: you need a purse. Your main criteria is you want to look out while not actually being out.


that is such a generalised statement, i bet you felt really good saying that, truly you are one of the most /out/istic.

first of all: i don't need a backpack, i have several, for different purposes.

the aforementioned leather backpack, i do use in public, it's small, it looks nice, it can hold everything i need on a lot of days. the only problem with that one is, that it's almost too nice, so I can't use it in situations where it might get dirty or damaged. it is a backpack specifically for this purpose. it does not to be able to be taken on hikes and survive extreme conditions.

that's what my second backpack does, it's military style, 20L, i have been using it for 10 years for everything, however i will replace is eventually with something nicer non military as its pretty worn down now. for some purposes it's def. not the right backpack, it does the job due to its size but lacks features that would make it excel at actual outdoors-y stuff.

i also have an even bigger 30L backpack, too big for daily use but that thing is amazing.

>>2859711

my general attitude towards things is, you are better off spending more money with something that you are actually happy with over a long time, than skimping on a few bucks, to end up with something that lacks certain features.

osprey generally has a good reputation, look into them, you should easily be able to find reviews of most of their backpacks. if you are just looking for a basic backpack, you probably cant get wrong with jansport or any of the backpacks of any of the popular sports brands that you find on the market