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this was the absolute peak of digital photography and its all been downhill after here. seriously look at the shots on flickr with this tag and how good they look. mirrorless is super sterile and fake looking, and older than the mkii just were shit to use and had too much noise.
seriously dont sleep on these, 5d mkii and some EF L glass has u covered and then u can spend the rest of the money on travel and taking kino shots.
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>>4478405
I am good, thank you
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sorry but at this point each and every single one has clocked 300k+ on the shutter and has all the rubber seals deteriorated
the Nikon D610 and Olympus E-M5 MkII are the current "I have no money and I must cop swag" options, and after those inevitably all go to shit it'll likely be the Canon R & RP's turn to become mainstream workhorses in 11 years
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FF pixel peeper DSLRs are a sure path to either quitting photography or turning into another loser like doghair/huskyfag and only ever taking photos of your pets in your backyard
Just get a compact like a canon eos m and stop being an autistic fucking nerd.
>BUT WHERE IS THE WEATHER SEAL IBIS OIS BURST RATE BUFFER DEPTH... WHERE IS THE FACE REGISTRATION QUARTERBACK DETECT AF...
Photographers richer and more famous than you took better photos than you on all manual film SLRs because none of that bullshit matters except to soulless, non-artistic birdwatching boomers who walk around in the woods taking boring wikipedia photos of birds and mountaintops that no one will ever look at or care about
THE *ENTIRE* CAMERA MARKET IS FOR:
1: WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHY
2: SPORTS PHOTOGRAPHY
3: OVERSPENDING BIRDWATCHING BOOMERS SPAMMING FLICKR WITH BORING SHIT
If you're just taking pics or god willing, MAKING ART, you do not need more capabilities than offered by the original nikon F and a canon EOS M is fucking overkill.
Prove me wrong. You fucking can't.
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>>4478420
I naturally distrust any claim of a decade-old professional camera that's been used that little
The 5D Mark II is a "real photographer" camera, like, one people who do photography for money or an artistic pursuit actually use, it's not an X-T30 or something
Where are you finding used ones in such good quality?
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>>4478417
You mean a whole generation of new pixel peeping gear nerds that care more about buying cameras than making art
Real photographers don't need more than a compact or a film SLR. While you're consooming fujifilms for film "simulations", real photographers save their $2000 and just shoot a roll of kodak in glorious medium format.
I used a DSLR when I was teenager and I am never going back to that POS. Just get a cheap point and shoot like an EOS M or shoot film.
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>>4478431
Still gave you a boner!
The only large sensor digitals worth buying are called phase one and hasselblad.
If you can't swing it, you're not gaining anything over an EOS M unless you're into
>wedding photography (waste of time)
>sports photography (waste of time)
>being an overspending birdwatching boomer and spamming flickr with boring shit
Everyone else only needs a compact or a film camera.
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>>4478429
https://www.willhaben.at/iad/kaufen-und-verkaufen/d/canon-eos-5d-mark- ii-digitale-spiegelreflexkamera-21- 1-megapixel-vollformat-1811632990/
First hit. Feel free to browse further on that platform.
Why is there such a cult around the 5D mark ii? What seperates it from the iii or the 6D?
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>>4478405
The 5dII and EF L glass covers:
Making loud clack sounds
Being a gearfaggot and telling everyone about all the focal length fnumber combinations you need
zooming to fill for every shot like every other boring GWAC
telling people about your dynamic range and sharpness
rambling pseudo-philosophical garbage about OVFs and EVFs that sounds like it matters but actually doesn't
Or you can just get a powershot s95 and actually take photos
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>>4478439
>Still gave you a boner!
Projection, if I wanted to masturbate to furries I'd do it to real art drawn by furries.
>>wedding photography (waste of time)
>>sports photography (waste of time)
Why are you guys so obsessed with pulling down fellow photographers? If we hadn't sports photographers, who would be there to make sure history is remembered?
>>4478434
>You mean a whole generation of new pixel peeping gear nerds that care more about buying cameras than making art
Noone who remotely cares about obsessing over camera specifications is buying a Z5, same goes for 5D Mark II, it's just a reliable cheap full-frame from Nikon. That's it, that's why it's popular. Real photographers just want a passable full frame and they're gonna spend the bulk of their money on lenses.
>Real photographers don't need more than a compact
Noone needs anything, I don't need legs to live, sure is nice to have legs though, I have taken some of my best work with a $100 1200D Rebel and I created art with it, I'm still saving up for an OM-1 MkII, it doesn't hurt me to have a nicer camera that does what I want - better, and I hold no grudge against that 1200D, I love my EF-S and EF gear.
>real photographers save their $2000 and just shoot a roll of kodak in glorious medium format.
What's your obsession with trying to assert that real photographers only shoot film? I do both and I am content, I have an East German camera for having fun.
>Just get a cheap point and shoot like an EOS M
The EOS M is an MILC, not a point and shoot, dumdum, see pic, r u just baiting?
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>>4478447
I kneel, Evropa won, my brown people market can't compare
>Why is there such a cult around the 5D mark ii?
It was really good when it released, so a lot of people bought it, so it lost value really quickly, so now it's a very cheap entry to photography for young people with not a lot of money being able to effectively get a pro body under 500$ with overall pretty reliable autofocus and build quality and be able to reap cheap 2000s DSLR glass that's still quality
Then Magic Lanternbros came and gave it hilariously colour accurate RAW video recording so you had a lot of the cinema people make movies with it
It's a camera that was the right camera at the right time
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>>4478447
It gained a lot of cultural cachet being the first popular “hybrid” camera (famously an episode of the TV show House M.D. was shot exclusively with it which was “a big deal” at the time). I think that just diffused into general gearfag subconscious where it just gets brownie points for all that stuff extra to its photographic uses, even if they don’t realize it.
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>>4478463
Gay brazilian furry to you filho de puta.
But you know you're cANON/cinefag levels of disliked here, right? You two are prime examples of stupid gearfags doing photography to justify your gear hobby. You are the best example of what not to do /p/ has ever produced. And one of you told everyone to buy a d750, and then suddenly didn't have a d750 and upgraded to a z7. Unforgivably scum behavior.
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I've been shooting with my 5dmkii for 15+ years. If it could do 1080p 60fps for slow motion shots I wouldn't want to upgrade.
I've moved beyond the camera and need something better.
I'm thinking about getting a macro lens and use it for a dslr film scanner setup. It'll work fine in a static setup like that. But I need something that can shoot higher resolution video, better auto focus, cleaner iso and something MUCH lighter.
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>>4478463
>two dog posters
*the dog poster
The husky was confirmed for dogsitting, not a different person.
His german shepherd is kinda hot ngl
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>>4478495
Imagine you're a gay furry in brazil and you see this being squandered by someone who cant take photos and ruins everything with nikon colors and dirty film... A vaca foi pro brejo...
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>>4478499
>your bad pictures are what define you as a photographer!
Not the hecking practice shots! You should post the green and purple pig ones too lmfao. I suck at digital color editing and I happily accept that. I don't think I had the proper raw converter for my incredibly based MFDB at that point. Lol what a shit show it was trying to fix those dang pictures.
Only retards believe huskyfag and me are the same person btw.
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>>4478505
The great thing about it is that almost all digital pictures are essentially worthless to me, so I really don't care. Digital cameras are my test camera and snapshitting cameras. It's not really that serious. I just like taking pics with big cameras, making prints, and sharing my photos.
Just look how amazing this contact print came out. I used azo paper + amidol to make it.
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>>4478507
>The great thing about it is that almost all digital pictures are essentially worthless to me
That's fine anon, there is literally no issues with this, use whatever makes you happy for photography, but can you stop being a snarky slit about it and pretending it makes you better than everyone else because you don't shoot digital? That only "real photographers" shoot medium format film?
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SHOW ME A FINER LOOKING PRINT YOU HAVE MADE CUNTS. YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN LAID EYES ON DMAX THIS HIGH OR TONALITY THIS FINE.
I DIDN'T EVEN TONE THIS WITH SELENIUM.
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>>4478502
I wanted to upgrade to one of the later 5d's, but my life priorities changed changed quite a bit during that time and spending a lot of dosh on anything camera related has been out of the question for many years.
I was actually thinking about something like a Fuji XT5 (most likely wait until the XT6 is out). It fits most of what I'd want.
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>>4478509
Every single time some schizo has a meltdown and mentions me it is almost always made up bullshit and weird lies. It's quite amusing.
I haven't posted a new picture of my dog in months and we got a gay furry saying all I do is post pictures of my dog. Doghair! You spread yourself thin trying too many things! 90% studio work, and occasionally I walk around and take a pic with my 8x10 that isn't studio work. I've taken less than or close to 200 8x10 shots in the last year. I could go on and on, but I'll spare you.
My advice? You can ask me about what I think.
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>>4478514
Xh2s would probably be the best choice. I've just taken a liking to the xt5.
I never used Magic Lantern on my 5dmkii. I just had that Cinestyle picture style that I shot video in. Worked fine for me, but I always missed not being able to get a 2.35:1 frame on the screen to frame it better. I always ended up using a bit of painters' tape on the screen for more serious stuff. But I was so used to framing in that aspect ratio that I could just eyeball it fairly accurately.
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>>4478521
I shoot mostly fomapan100 that's like 5 dollars a sheet fresh, and expired ilford film I buy off ebay that's like 4 dollars a sheet. Fp4+, my love, doesn't show any base fog if it's stored well and under 10-15ish years expired. It really isn't that bad. I make my own developer that costs pennies per sheet to use. If you consider that I've spent probably 300-500 hours the past year actually shooting that film it isn't too bad for a little fun each day.
I don't shoot 8x10 to btfo anyone. It doesn't and cant online because you can only upload 4mb scans lol. I thought this was obvious. No one actually cares when you show evidence of your epson v850 producing a 600MP+ scan either lol.
I simply enjoy the process more than other cameras and it lets me make contact prints. Contact printing opens up a whole world of really fun alt process printing you can delve into that's extremely fun.
>>4478517
LOL IT IS YOU. AHAHAHAHA I knew it.
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>>4478510
Pretty bad. You should lean into what you’re good at and photograph your shepherd with his favorite ball. The basket ball.
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>>4478524
Very rude. His back and hips are more like those pics of old school GSD if you even ever cared!
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>>4478532
Oh, so you personally disliking it means it is bad. Figured that was the case. Seems to always be the case on /p/.
I think it is nicely balanced, well lit, texturally, and tonally rich. It is also meaningless eye candy, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
The meaning of a photo is entirely irrelevant on /p/. Visual interest and/or an adherence to the rules of photography or an appeal to specific and autistic taste by the individual nophoto is what makes a good /p/hoto.
If you say a photo has meaning you get laughed at. You a gay clown or something?
My dog is whiter than you are btw. Teehee. Post wrist, fag.
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>>4478533
> you personally disliking it means it is bad
It’s bad because it’s literal garbage arranged in a square. It’s the kind of shit hobos and summer camp kids do with sticks, rocks, and moss.
>my [visibly brown] dog is white
His fat wife sure is but L’eo is a certified nigga and exemplary of the diversity germany represents.
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>>4478534
Even tho it is a phone shot you can see how much better the print looks. Probably just a skill issue, but whatever.
I dehydrated salt on glass and used my 8x10 to photograph it. It was really fun to hunt around for a nice composition on the glass plate. Tricky exposure as well, but I nailed it for contact printing.
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>>4478543
Your attitude warrants photography beyond just taking a picture of a thing. Fucking watercolor karens are taking it to the next level and sticking dehydrated salt to canvas to make snow while you’re shooting literal textbook material
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>>4478545
Again you are just a pretentious little whiner. NOOOO HAIRYDOG YOU SHOOT BIG CAMERA YOU MUST ONLY TAKE PHOTOS I DEEM IMPORTANT. I CANT CONTROL YOU SO I MAKE BIG STINKY!
Photography is an iterative process for me, and I didn't want to iterate on my simple 8x10 salt crystal shots. Big whoop. They're technically well executed, and they do have composition to them. You simply do not like them because you're a pretentious little crybaby.
Now. Show me one of your masterfully done, very important and creative photographs, please!
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>>4478549
And? It looks cool, and it was a successful exercise. The coherency is in the composition and tonal balance. Sorry I didn't photograph a building corner or someones back for you bro.
If I wrote an essay about the coherency of a photograph, had the actual god of photography say it was true and meaningful before photographing a still life you would still say, "Oh it's just some trash." You just don't get it, and that's fine nophoto.
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Josef sudek- egg and bread
Obviously his are way better than mine, but please feast your eyes upon one of the classic still life photographer's famous and well respected work.
>Uhmmmm that's just bread and egg. I see that every morning when my mommy serves me breakfast! Just terrible!
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>>4478561
Concession accepted. Your overly reductive attitude towards photography proves me correct. Embarassing!
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This dude SUCKS. OMG HIS PHOTO IS SO INCOHERENT AND JUST TRASH.
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>I HATE IT WHEN MY MOMMY ORDERS LITTLE CEASERS PIZZA WITH GREEN BELL PEPPERS ON IT! SHE SAYS ITS HEALTHY, BUT I JUST PICK THEM OFF AND TOSS THEM IN THE TRASH!!! THIS IS THE WORST PHOTO EVER! LITERAL GARBAGE!
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>NOOOOO HORACIO COPPOLA WHAT THE FUUUUUUUCK ARE YOU DOING TO MEEEEE? GARBAGE PHOTO OF GARBAGE. NOOOO MOMA HOW COULD DISPLAY LITERAL TRASH PIECES IN PHOTOGRAPHIC FORM?
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>INCEL ADAMS HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME?
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>>4478576
Why not? I think it's a little outdated now, maybe, but I like it for what it is.
It's also really really difficult to get prints and lighting to the level he was able to achieve, so it's very fun to attempt to emulate his work.
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Water
glass
Cherries
bowl
wheel thing
wall in need of new paint.
Absolute 0/10 incoherent trash garbage photograph.
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>>4478405
5dmii was the peak of digital cameras designed for making the photo look as aesthetically pleasing as possible.
After that sadly specs took over, higher megapixels or dynamic range became the thing that sells, all involve moving away from the image looking nice.
5dmii got so much shit for its shadows but looking back it renders shadow so nicely, and the fake ugly shadows that came in the future that only claim is they can be lifted 4 stops in post look fake and worse. 5dmii has inbuilt protection to stop ppl overcooking the raw by making it break.
Also the 5dmii has quite heavily edited colours that look nice, not some word salad gimmick white balance thing all the modern cameras have that produce ugly looking colours.
It’s all there on Flickr just compare the 5dmii group to any other newer camera to see for yourself.
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You can be as disingenuous as you want and dismiss any photo as "just a photo of (X)". Literally anything. Try it. It doesn't make for any valid form of criticism and, unless you're being facetious to prove a point, just outs you as being... wait for it... visually illiterate.
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>Highest engagement thread the board has had in months
>It's a mix of EF nostalgia, eggposting, furries, and the mythical pink pentax (also comes in yellow btw)
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>>4478647
>3 most important cameras in all of history
>all 3 made within 15 years of each other
>Photography has existed since the 1800s
Yes, the 3 most significant cars in history are the BMW 318i, Toyota Camry, and the Ford Falcon XR6
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>>4478633
I am proud of myself for making this. I think people realize finally that the gear is just evolving to more and more sterile crap that isn't what makes a good photo nor is it fun to shoot with. Film might not be the answer for everyone, so the 5Dmkii is a good digital compromise before it all went down hill.
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>>4478676
By getting more fucking retarded? This thread is reaching disinfo levels of stupid. This is what happens when people with no talent keep trying to buy their way into a good photo until they hit a price ceiling and start contaminating their self perception with delusional nostalgia instead.
>>4478668
See this is literally fucking retarded. Unless you’re pushing shadows more than 4 stops every day it’s the same fucking camera as a d610 and all it does past that is not turn the shadows purple.
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>>4478678
yes
the covid addition gearfags are getting extra stupid now, which means they are close to quitting photography or close to quitting gearfaggotry and being normal with an a7c and a 35mm f2.8
all of their theories fell through, they are almost broke or fatigued from insecurity related to having $2k on a shelf when they’re not even good. this is their last ditch effort to purchase better looking photos. it is nearing the end.
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>>4478685
Yeah, this is what clueless gearfags say after browsing dpreview all day. But late stage gearfags that are running out of money or already tried the best camera they could afford and still didn’t get any better at photography. Not new gearfags who are still excited to upgrade.
You are all the same. Every single gearfag is the same person. Yes, every one. From camera conspiracies himself to random anons on /p/. First you get into photography and suck. Your camera was not the best choice. Gearfags lied to you. It’s a bad, dated design, it has flaws, it needs to take the same picture twice or thrice sometimes because of the autofocus, it has mirror slap. Then you upgrade and get hooked on the thrill. You still suck but upgrade n sell is cheap, just a few hundo each time, and you’re getting better. And then you stop getting better. But you upgrade again. And you try the best camera you can afford to finally improve and go pro and you don’t improve. So you go down, seeking so called soul. You might get a d200 or a 5d classic/II. And no one notices or cares and your photos look the same, because all you ever saw in reality was that camera reviewers used to be better photographers than you.
It is true, next you will either buy a normal camera, a step up from the "soul" ewaste, and just get good for once… or you will quit.
There is an option 3, and that’s becoming someone known for a funko pop wall of ewaste and boring as fuck photos of benches shot with bad jpeg settings or badly converted raws, and talking about camera gear as an experience. This is the most horrid fate. Being a soiboi.
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>>4478746
>sony hate schizo
>falls for gay furry bait (probably because the picture caught his eye and gave him a boner)
Low IQ and delusional. Figures. Do you actually buy cameras just to samefag, call yourself based, and beg /p/ for approval or do you only pretend to because you’re poor?
Oh, no camera then?
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>>4478819
If you have to lie
https://www.photoxels.com/sony-strikes-another-5th-news-agency-win-reu ters-decides-on-sony-a7s-iii-and-px w-z280-as-their-journalists-main-sh ooting-kit/
https://www.photoxels.com/britains-pa-media-group-selects-sony-alpha-f ull-frame-mirrorless-cameras-and-ci nema-line-camera-fx3-as-preferred-e quipment/
https://www.photoxels.com/fourth-win-sony-strikes-deal-with-the-canadi an-press-to-be-its-exclusive-image- products-provider/
https://www.photoxels.com/gannett-usa-today-selects-sony-as-exclusive- imaging-product-provider-for-their- photographers-and-journalists/
https://www.ap.org/media-center/press-releases/2020/ap-to-equip-all-vi sual-journalists-globally-with-sony -imaging-products/
https://petapixel.com/2024/09/18/sony-again-claims-the-1-spot-in-the-f ull-frame-mirrorless-camera-market/
https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/tony-northrup-color-science-test-sony- beats-nikon-canon-and-fuji/
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>>4478412
>no I don't want a cheap camera that I can buy once and never think about again
>I, like all non-gearfags are fawning over a brand new entry level model so I can begin my journey upgrading every two months instead of taking photos
Anon, you should really learn what words mean before you try to use them, you're embarrassing yourself.
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>>4478571
>2x the money
>no interchangeable focusing screen
>worse shutter
Trust this retard to recommend the only camera in the 5D series not worth getting. If you can afford a 5D iii just get a 5Ds or a 5Div, they're straight upgrades.
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>>4478427
>Prove me wrong. You fucking can't.
God is spelled with a capital G, lil bro.
Only a third world shitskin would get that wrong and then reccomend buying an entry level upgrade-bait camera under the guise of "le not gear fagging"
Sorry, but your post is pathetic. Read a book and try again.
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>>4478450
>Then Magic Lanternbros came and gave it hilariously colour accurate RAW video recording so you had a lot of the cinema people make movies with it
Lol and nikon retards and sony indians still don't come anywhere close 20 years later LMFAO
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>>4480522
Get the 6D and fuck magic lantern. It's less of a brick, has wifi, the Rendering is just as good (muh sperg out 5D ii colours bro) and you can find them in the same price and shutter range
ML is only really needed if you plan to make videos. If you are about videography then it would be downright retarded to get a camera that old. For photography it's still a valid choice
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>>4480522
I'm about to snag a 5D classic for the muh film-like but also because the technology limitations force you to think creatively.
You really can't crank the ISO without destroying the image, so you're forced to think harder about your shot instead of just going f/11 and ISO 12800.
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>>4480623
I wish ML was more useful beyond retarded basic shit.
Imagine an actual remapper tool, so you could remap shit you never use, like the button to set focus points (pointless when only the central point on the 6D is ever worth using) to something more useful.
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>>4480707
>1ds
Are about 3x the price for a thoroughly bashed one. And I'd rather stick a grip to the 5D than forever have to deal with the cube(tm) ergos.
Funny because before I realised what I almost did, I had a 1D in my eBay cart ready to go and was like "hmmm, this is suspiciously cheap". Realised it's an APS-H sensor, but I was totally ready to buy one in good nick and for not retarded money.
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>>4481113
>non pocketable compact, evf: ugh oversized blob. dont get a mirrorless. get a dslr.
>non pocketable compact, no evf: omgay, street photography!!!!
The m5 is the same camera but not recommended by gearfag youtubers that talk like they’re on xanax
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>>4478427
This is plain wrong. You just cant take a noticeable camera anywhere without getting robbed because you’re a tranny in a third world country.
I imagine this is why /p/ in general is averse to “blobs”. They arent noticeably heavier in real life, just easier to spot and more expensive looking.
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>>4487712
any ilc ff camera is probably gonna have a fucking big ass lens though. thieves arent stupid and will recognize your a7c or r8 or whatever that said they're more likely to go after your phone or bags because its easier to resell
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>>4487712
>I imagine this is why /p/ in general is averse to “blobs”. They arent noticeably heavier in real life, just easier to spot and more expensive looking.
That's actually because mirrorlessfags are into that whole Yale thing (closeted homos who do a lot of blow). Nobody normal minds the look of DSLRs, especially not Nikons.
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I bought a Pentax k10d, 10.2 megapixels, from 2006.
And the pictures are literally good enough, you don't need more than 2006 tech to take a good photo.
now it sucks at low light, but other than that? perfectly cromulent for daylight photography.
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>>4487753
Ignore the fag. For some reason there's this strong belief otb that you're not allowed to hold a stance without posting a snapshit along with it.
>>4487754
>I bought a Pentax k10d... and the pictures are literally good enough, you don't need more than 2006 tech to take a good photo
Correct. Newer technology is only needed for challenging lighting or video bullshit. A DSLR from 2010 is literally peak no-bullshit gear.
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I was able to snag a mark iii with only 500 on the shutter, so basically new. It's my second camera and the first I bought myself. My first was an eos 400d which feels pretty similar to the mark iii, just very slightly worse in most aspects and alot worse in build quality and storage. The mark iii feels great to take photos with; it feels great in the hands. It's kinda like how wearing a suit makes you feel a bit better about yourself than usual. Its a great camera to shoot on and very resonably priced. The mark ii would be the same except even cheaper and with no video (which isn't that bad cause the video on the mark iii is a bit poo). That said if money wasn't an issue I'd get a newer mirrorless, simply because they're smaller so I wouldn't need to carry a camera bag.
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>>4487766
Here's (You)r context spergillio.
>How DARE you argue with me without posting a random photo you took within the last two weeks.
>That one doesn't count because u-u-uhhh it's blurry! Aha! And it's boring according to my subjective tastes!
>That's right I've won my argument because (YOU) posted a photo and I (the winner) called it shit first!
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Nikon D4 master race
everything else is high-quality top shelf copium
>600 bucks for a mint one with low shutter count
>weather sealed
>10fps
>can track a Russian Kinzhal missile at Mach 5
>access to glorious Nippon Kogaku glass
>no red ring tax
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>>4487813
If you are ok with the size, the sound, the weight, and you are someone who needs fps more than you need resolution, this is a pretty fucking accurate take. If you need subtlety, you have a sketchy back, or you're doing shit more like landscapes or architecture, there are better choices for you.
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>>4487813
>>can track a Russian Kinzhal missile at Mach 5
Not sure why you keep posting this but the autofocus is literally slower than an EOS 1n. Everytime you post a photo from this camera people tell you your shits out of focus. God damn this nigger is retarded
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>>4487813
cringe
>>4487785
based
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>>4487866
>vertical grips
>duplicate controls
The D4 has those things already and doesn't need a grip bolted onto it.
>>4487849
D2X is a very fine camera, if I hadn't got the scorching deal on my 4 I may have got one, I looked at a couple. I like the bigger screen on the 4.
>>4487822
I did get this for the FPS I do motorsports from time to time and things moving at speed. Realistically, you don't need more than 20mp unless you are printing super huge like above movie poster size.
I have a D800 for landscapes and architecture and a D700 for underwater work, both very good all-rounder cameras.
>>4487850
Pic related if I can walk into Carmen's Black and White Bar at Speedweek and still get these guys in focus after getting fucking shitfaced on free margaritas from Vintage Hammer's gas-powered margarita machine and put down enough Jack Daniels to make General Ulysses Grant blush, the AF on the D4 is just fine.
Calm your tits.
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>>4488403
>The D4 has a vertical grip minus the feature where you can remove it
Why does it need to be so big when an EOS 1n weighs no where near that much and focuses faster? Nikon lost. Canon won. Sorry lil fella, YWN be in focus.
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>>4488403
Resolution isn't just about printing big, it gives you flexibility when cropping. If the 16mp of the D4 does you fine then a 36mp would get you that with an APS-C crop, a 42mp body gets you a little over 1.6, 60mp gets you almost 2x crop. That means you can use smaller, lighter, cheaper lenses, or simply get more reach with what you have. Back in the day you had to make a choice between resolution and speed but that's not so much the case these days, at least to get an acceptable level of speed (matching the D4) because 20fps is largely unnecessary and just a skill cope.
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OP is underestimating the cost of traveling and taking time off to do so. Buying some stone age camera may save you a few grand, but that won't get you very far. IMHO just buy a state of the art camera if you can afford it
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>>4478405
the 5d, 5dii, and 5diii are genuinely kinda shit cameras, closer to digishit "character" than just being a good camera, and nikon is always a better choice. for high ISO and shadow recovery these older canon DSLRs are nearly equal to micro four thirds, and sometimes slightly worse vs the newer more expensive m43s. if i wanted digishit quality i would use a digishit, not a full sized DSLR. the 6d, 6d2, 5div, and 5ds are all great for their price and mark the point where canon figured out the technical side of camera design.
>then how did so many pros bla bla
for most of the 2000s raw was almost never used by working photographers, and canon nailed their jpegs almost every time while having much better made lenses than nikon, and neat shit like IS on most of their lenses. eventually tech progressed and everyone was able to shoot raw all the time like they wanted to, so canon finally had to fix their sensor tech to continue being the best. it was also more normal for almost every DSLR user to use flash 90% of the time so high ISO was irrelevant. tastes changed and now every client hates flash and expects cameras to do fine without it.
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>>4490725
>the 5d, 5dii, and 5diii are genuinely kinda shit cameras, closer to digishit "character" than just being a good camera, and nikon is always a better choice
Yes and no because
>Canon nailed their jpegs
Is a legitimate reason to want to use a particular camera. Like everyone going "omg the 5D classic is like shooting muh film!" is kind of half right; the JPEGs were tuned a way that people generally loved. That's a fair reason to buy one.
Also,
>tastes changed and now every client hates flash and expects cameras to do fine without it.
Yes and no because anyone using direct flash does not deserve clients. You umbrella or bounce that shit at least. Ofc everyone now hates direct flash; the tech exists where it isn't necessary whereas before if you didnt your shots came out underexposed outside of broad daylight shots. Flash used creatively and intentionally looks great.
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>>4490725
>digishit character
Meaningless term. Canon won because their cameras have good autofocus and Nikon does not. Canon has good colours that look like real life while Nikon has nasty green casts over everything, wildly different colours from camera to camera, even in RAW somehow. Canon has good tonality while Nikon has Rockwellian pushed HDR look on every photo. Canon has good professional services and well made cameras, while Nikon has the D600 and D810 (lol). You're not on some secret team for picking le slept-on Nikon, you're just picking the losing team that keeps losing because of how badly they suck and the absolutely number one pick for Redditors and Fat guys everywhere.
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>>4490735
are you finding out now this is /v/ with cameras
canon = pc
nikon = xbox/microsoft
sony = sony
fuji = nintendo
go to a store please and find out yourself if you spend $1500-2000 on a new body they'll all take good pictures nothing is particularly bad as long as you dont get a olympus/panasonic/pentax/fuji
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>>4490917
I’d suggest:
Fuji - definitely Apple, because it’s more expensive and not technologically very advanced but sparks joy in its users
Sony - most obvious PC. Tech leader for the past decade, but not intuitive enough for consoletards
Nikon - Xbox. Used to be a console when there was still reason to buy consoles, but eventually figured out that they want to be PC instead
Canon - PlayStation. Still chooses to be a console, attracts consolefags because of it
OM - Steam Deck or Nintendo. Shittier quality, but much more portable
Pentax - DreamCast. Basically dead at this point
Hasselblatt - IBM mainframe/Azure server farm. Mostly only useful for a handful of commercial purposes, and about the same size
Leica - a girlfriend with a phone. Great ergonomics, better than you at taking pictures, will empty your account
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>dog lick camera again
shit
they're resetting the timeline gain
quick, make a temporal quantum reference. mark a nearby object 3 times. ink and scratches are both fine. if you have any vacuum tube devices turn them on right now. TVs are best. stay near them. if you have enough, arrange a prime number of them around you at regular intervals and place two with similar transformer sizes elevated above both you and the other appliances forming an isoceles triangle with an apex of the lower ring. don't get mandela'd.
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>>4488493
>60mp needed for 2x crop
>smaller lenses wanted
you sound like you need to meet your savior, the OM-5 II
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>>4491000
Don't really know much about Christianity (I'm from Syria). I'm just beginning a new project: Shooting churches in the Ruhr Area of Germany. The concept I imagine is "shooting the outgoing, old culture that is soon to be replaced". Just like some Christian would have shot pagan places of worship before they disappear completely and get replaced by a new religion.
Same thing is happening in Germany and soon the christian places of worship will be all replaced. Inshallah
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>>4491004
Of all the religions to be fake, the one whose prophets claim to divinity is killing a few people, that uses a stolen syriac christian lectionary as its holy book, which through technicalities allows bestiality and pederasty, and through the hadith describes its prophet having tons of gay sex, makes mormonism look believable. Your days are more numbered than any.
I denounce the talmud
Hinduism is satanism
May pigs shit in every mosque
Christ is king
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>>4491004
>i will replace christianity and white people saar!
you live in this, royally pissed off a german woman's entire family, and white nationalism is really growing at the moment. if any migrants get fragged you will be among the first.
you might want to reconsider your loyalties if you're pale and not too ugly to pass
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>>4491066
Modern talmudic jews are not the aramaic/samaritan group of yahwists (the talmud didnt exist yet) jesus belonged to. So called jews today are modern judah diaspora and ethnic mixes, one specific tribe of jews that were declared forsaken anyways. The old jews were more like the paler, blue eyed palestinians. When you realize this you will realize why israel hates palestine so much. Imagine witnessing your fairer kin, once great among your people, fervently following islam to the point they will live in squalor and impotently toss rocks, not even accepting christ of the OG jews but following the messiah larping warlord of the arabs.
It would be like white people coming back to europe and dealing with a bunch of aggro, uneducated hindu larpers.
On top of that, white people bear superficial resemblance to some groups of the OG jews so there’s an innate racial insecurity held by talmudic jews when around whites. It would be like if, in this return to europe example, men almost in the spitting image of odin started coming out of china and preaching what was once said to be the true word of the god future white people once followed. It would be infuriating and frightening to the masses in this hypothetical.
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>>4491044
>Christ is king
just as is odin lol? christianity is a religion of the past - like european paganism. it's the normal flow of things. your grand kids will go to the mosque :3
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>>4491072
Islam and paganism have these in common:
Pederasty
Homosexuality
Bestiality
Ritual sacrifice and mutilation
Religious executions
Polygamy
All of these things are universally bad for society long term and result in accelerated collapse.
If islam is the future it will be first hacked apart and stitched together in a fascimile of christianity and muhammad will have jesus like statues erected in honor of an alternate, more palatable version of his life (vs the murderous pedo zuttslut)
Either that or the jews and whites will hold hands for a sec, expel arabs, and import african christians instead (honestly, nigerians are smarter and less violent than arabs)
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>>4491073
well desu fuck islam. i'm not even syrian and I don't want this shit LARP to continue because it's not nearly as fun as bein a M43 fundamentalist.
you can hold your horses - I just hate all semites the same :)
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>>4491086
shitting on pisslam is justifiable hate. if you disagree, volunteer your nearest female relative to be honor killed as allah intended.
believe it or not a religion can be objectively bad
>human sacrifice? heccin valid! RESPECT *CLAP* OTHER *CLAP* CULTURES!
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>>4491128
"Justifiable hate" my sweet retarded child I'm muslim and I laugh my ass off everyday with the bullshit I read on this website about Islam or other abrahamic religions, It's like seeing a group of retarded amerimutt cattle who think they know everything about X or Y religion, keep hating us online we're actually busy achieving goals in life
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>>4491179
From all the people I've ever encountered in my life, the most obnoxious and cringe ones were the reddit pro atheists faggots like you rn, you're not even a grain of sand in this universe you're nobody, there is no divinity but God, Ameen
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>>4491178
>goals in life
married your cousin yet?
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>>4491191
I'm east asian, not even arab, find another joke already it's tiring
>>4491198
>"i-if god le good why le bad happens?!!11!1!!1!!1 checkmate"
you guys are parasitic cockroaches that love to ruin every single fucking board of this website, we were talking about dslrs originally, stick to pol if you wanna argue about religion faggot
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>>4491202
the validity of islam as a religion, and muhammad al zutt’s validity as a prophet beyond acting crazy and paraphrasing a stolen syriac christian text from memory is entirely predicated upon winning and having won battles. muhammad al zutt never rose from the dead or healed the sick. he claimed god was with him because he succeeded in killing and stealing, and because he could recite from memory something very closely resembling existing syriac christian texts. the hadith describe him sinning and the quran describes demons speaking through him. these are things jesus never did.
if muslims are so easily slaughtered by jews and lose every battle against every adversary more advanced than a hunter gatherer tribe, perhaps islam is not a valid religion, its cruelties were pure sin, and everyone who took the name of god as they did them committed an unforgivable sin. down to a man kicking the most pathetic dog in the name of god, every muslim has been forsaken by christ. may jews take the whole levant.
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>>4491209
based and true
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>>4478405
100mp and $10k later and the 5d classic has finally been dethroned
Dont bother with the $500 to $5000 scam zone, bruv
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>>4495340
Lmao if you can't shoot good pictures with the relative top ends of all those brands then you are a bad photographer. All those brands have nearly identical sensor performance and af is not really that different either unless your a spec sheet YouTuber. Anything past about 40 megapixels will let you print big enough for a gallery. Hell 20 megapixels is probably big enough for a gallery. Just buy whatever brand feels the best or you want. It doesn't really matter.
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