>>4482924
90% of this picture is incredibly boring and the 10% left is boring. Maybe if the surfer was on the left that would be interesting ? Who knows

>>4482926
it made you look. it took your attention. you felt violated by that. you got angry. it prompted you to respond - not to my question, but to my photo. even though i never even mention the photo.

My photo, made you respond.
yet you say its boring.
my photo also made you feel something.
even if it's contempt. it made you feel something.

what a splendid thing photographs are.

>>4482924
It completely depends what your current setup is. Medium Format or even larger film is still unbeatable, even by monochrome sensors. But these sensors are able to resolve sharper images than 99.9% of 35 mm film, with the only exception maybe being something like that adox iso 20 film with the dedicated developer. I don't have enough experience with digital medium format to advise about those.

>>4482927
my point was try to take better pics before wasting money on a leica or assbold. As for your question, I use medium format a lot (6*7) and in monochrome no prosumer digital sensor can come close to the resolution you would get from upscaling 120 film. If you are truly autistic about the details and don't mind the weight just dive into larger formats you'll like it. Don't get fooled by mid tier formats like 645 it's utterly useless

>>4483009
Is there a deeper meaning to this if you don't particularly care about sharpness or don't plan to print in sizes larger than 24x30?

>>4483015
yes, physically speaking a larger sensor has a lot of implications about the picture depth of field and general look like tonality

Funny because I want to try medium format but realistically it sounds like so much more of a fuck to deal with over 35mm.
Nobody makes anything for them anymore. If your camera breaks you're just fucked. Hope you know how to service a lens and a shutter on your own. Film costs more and the price of shit in general for medium format just feels egregious. I mean the same goes for large format and then some.

If someone actually sells me the idea of MF pros and cons I might dip my toes in.

why is this thread derailing into film vs digital?
Because poor people can't afford leicas or digital medium format?

>>4483019
>be me
>bought a RB67
>traveled to all the continents
>never broke
>be in Japan
>drunk as fuck
>drop it from my hands
>the camera went straight through the glass table and fell on the concrete floor
>a bit of the concrete is shattered (not much, like a penny)
>mfw there's barely a dent on the camera
the only thing is it lost focus. I had it checked in Taipei by an expert and he said everything was fine. Most of the complicated stuff is in the lens anyway so you can always get another one

>>4482927
I click on every thread on this board to see if its worth replying to.

I will remember calling you a fucking idiot longer than I'll remember what picture you used. Neither of which for very long. Not him by the way.

>>4482924
A decent photographer would be a better investment

>>4482924
My M10-M is way better for B+W than my GFX50 was, but MF film is an even better option
The pixel level detail on monochrome sensors is great, like Foveon
My M10-M is a forever camera that IQ in such a small size is awesome, I bring it everywhere

>>4482924
Buy a Pentax k-3 III monochrome and use the $8000 left over to buy any Pentax glass you want

i'll give you my irrelevant opinion whether you want it or not
been shooting a leica m3 with a collapsible summicron, alternating FP4+ and 5222, for a few years
scanning on an LS-4000, not one single enlarger print (yet)
i really dont see the point in """advancing""" (medium or large format/digital), my photographs are detailed enough for me

>>4483009
>try to take better pics before wasting money on a leica or assbold
lmao this is the poorest poorfag cope
you dont have to be good to enjoy shooting on expensive equipment

The larger format will be better for this.
>>4482927
>"Y-you still noticed though!"
A comment is the most basic and neutral form of validation, whether it's positive or negative. If you put less priority in your efforts being positively received, and more priority in simply having been received at all, then you'll never grow as a photographer OR as a person.

>>4483056
>>4483041
>>4483037
>>4483009

lots of armchair critics posting no photos of their own.
i wonder why.

>>4483043

thank you. finally a direct response to the question.
I have been leaning towards the monochrom, but as a former Fuji shooter who misses the brand, I had the epiphany of maybe being able to go back AND get better b&w photos. But it really does seem like my original plan (the monochrom) is probably the best option.

The thing I don't like about film is the ramping cost. Yes off the bat it's preliminarily more affordable with better outputs, but after a few thousand photos, the costs keep ballooning and suddenly the monochrom looks like a bargain.
Personally, I don't want every press of the shutter to be a financial consideration.
And unless you're Elon Musk right now - anyone who says they don't think of the m

But speaking of money - i am a little reticent with the monochrom: the two i've seen for sale on marketplace have been for sale for like, 4 and 6 months. both at reasonable prices. I'm guessing moving them is a bit tricky. a bit of a niche product.

>>4483056
why do you assume my objective as an artist is to impress you, the consumer.
I dont' seek your validation for my art. I do it for me.
You are free to feel what you like when you consume my images.
I'm free to not care about your experience.

>>4483067
>pretending
The whole thread has been the result of your response to the first comment (>>4482926). A whole thread of "not caring".

>>4483064
I saw your reply and could not remember what the original image was that I criticized. I remember calling you an idiot though.

>>4483078
But i don't care.
I never asked anyone to critique my art.
I didn't ask for your opinions on my photo.
I asked for opinions on good options for digital black and white photography.
instead i get a wall of "poor pride".

>>4483106
you also forget to post your own work.
right?

>>4483117
No, me posting no picture is about the same quality as you posting a picture of nothing like you did. I suppose I could take a picture of the back of my lens cap for you?

this thread gave me cancer

>>4483200
You should take a look at this one >>4481544 it's even more pretentious

>>4483128

you posting your unsolicited opinions like anyone cares what you say, do or think is what's truly amusing.
Who exactly do you think you are?

>>4483251
This.

>>4483251
>>4483252
samefaggotry detected

>>4483254
not him.
But nice try.

>>4483254
>Woah, TWO people think I'm a faggot? Psssh, unlikely

Ironically Phase one's IQ4 monochrome will solve your question clearly.

Buy phase one.

>>4483117
>But i don't care.
>I never asked anyone to critique my art.
>I didn't ask for your opinions on my photo.

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Want:
• Expect criticism regarding your uploads.

Your photo is ass. Efforts to improve grain quality or rendering or whatever the fuck are purely masturbatory when your composition, focus, basic idea are all dogshit. If you don't want to hear that, don't post. Of course, I can be more specific if you want, but you have to ask nicely.
>but I have more money than you!
You can't buy good taste

>I asked for opinions on good options for digital black and white photography.

Do Not Want:
• Gear threads are discouraged but permitted. Keep in mind that many users simply hide these threads.

Use the gear thread for your gear question and you'll get less hate. Do it right and you won't draw ire. Don't label your photos ""art"" if they're as trash as the one you posted in the OP, bceause it makes you sound conceited as all fuck and will draw even more hate when you could have just left that part off and put your question in the gear thread.

Learn to read, bitchass

>>4483251
>Who exactly do you think you are?
Where exactly do you think you are?

Literally if you don't want people to shit on your photography either
>don't post your pictures
>try to post actually good pictures

Based on your pictures, you think that just taking a picture in black and white makes it interesting and dramatic. You've posted the picture equivalent to indie film b-roll.

Once again, I could take a black and white picture of my fucking empty wall and it would be at the same level you're at.

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>>4483251
I'm >>4483379 and here you go. This is the quality that I see your photography as. A free stock photo of a wall that I desaturated, applied a guassian blur to, and then compressed to hell and back.

>>4483380
>nophotos absolute best work

Thank you for confirming what everyone already knew.

>>4483389
Wait wait are you saying that >>4482924 is your "absolute best work"?

>>4483392
No I am saying >>4483380 is your absolute best work.

>>4483394
Oh then yeah you're right. Its probably my absolute best comparison I could make to an out of focus black and white photograph of nothing like you posted.

I'm quite proud of how I insulted you today, but I won't let it get to my head. I think I can still improve on my work.

how TF are you even cross-shopping a digital rangefinder with a digital medium format? that's a retarded place to start

>>4483396
Considering that is the only picture you have ever been able to muster the courage to post you should be proud. The nophoto is growing up.

>>4483401
You probably shouldn't have posted any picture at all, considering your inability to take any criticism for your "work".

You know this entire time I didn't even read the OP post! I just saw your better than thou response. Thank you for the laugh when I found out that you got that picture printed out and spend a lot of time looking at it.

Perhaps you should have noticed that its a picture of nothing by now?

>>4483403
>posts the best ever photo taken by a nophoto
>seethes
>copes

Typical nophoto behavior. You can have a gold star for your photograph little nophoto.

>>4483405
Thankfully I'm not the one in this conversation who prints out bad photos of nothing in order to use as a means of auto fellatio.

>>4483406
>posts their best photo
>Says this about it >>4483396 and this >>4483380

Biggest Kek

>>4483407
Yeah I'm better than you. Unlike you I didn't print out a blurry picture of nothing in order to inflate my ego.

Could you humor me and tell me what camera you used to take the picture of nothing? I'm half sure this is an issue caused by spending more money than you have so that you believe the end result has to be good.

>>4483408
>sucks his own dick more

LOL

>>4483409
English isn't your first language is it?

>>4483410
>copes
>projects

LOL. Bro you a hilarious, but you should really work on your photography a little. I know you're really proud of yourself, but taking a snapshit of a wall is not impressive no matter how much you say it is. Sorry!

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>>4483411

>>4483412
>copes harder

>>4483380
Give up on photography this is way below even zach tier.

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Nothing creates more tension on this board than someone doing the mistake of showing pride in a disappointing photo. I mean if you're going to put "art" into the title too.. you better show something with a little substance. Never gets old...
Now here is MY art.

>>4483423
Is that you taking the piss? Symbolic. At least you don't take yourself way too seriously like >>4483380 who took one of the worst photographs ever posted on /p/ and calls it a 10/10.

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>>4483423
i lov freezing water mangg

PD: glad i dont use fool turds

>>4483379
OP here:
you don't understand art my friend.
you're a technician. not an artist.
but as a tech-head, i'm sure you can guess what gear I used in my original photo?

I'm willing to bet my left nut I've been shooting photos longer than you've been alive. Because I've seen edgy and opinionated people like you a thousand times over. you'll grow up. some day. and then you'll learn the futility of shitting on other's art.

>still no photos of yours to show us your photography genius.

>>4483423

cool. if you're happy with your art then that's all that matters. create more. all the power to you.
If people buy your art. even better. though that really shouldn't matter.

I'm not going to offer my opinion on your photo because you didn't ask for it.

what matters least of all, are anonymous technicians on 4chan who like to hang shit on others art. as if the science of photography is on their side.

>>4483380
Cool.

If you're happy with your art then that's great.
you didnt' ask for an opinion so i'm not going to offer any.
if creating your photos makes you happy - keep doing it.

>>4483052
I could. But i personally dont like crop sensors.
One of my biggest lamentations is that Fuji don't do full frame.
I loved my X100 and my XT4.

So i'm really stuck between the leica or the GFX/something similar.

kek, I'm the first post and now I feel bad for OP. Enjoy your hobby anon I regret what I've said, if you like your pics, good for you, godspeed

>>4483444
Get a phase one monochrome.

>>4483447
if my name was Elon Musk, I would.
I can afford nicer things yes, but i'm not THAT well off.

>>4483448
You can always sell a kidney or get second mortgage on your house.

>>4483420
And another anon who can't read.
Its probably the most sad thing here, at least two people read the word "free stock photo" and somehow it did not click that it was a literal free stock photo.

>>4483439
You can't take a picture for a damn OP, but to your credit you can at least read.

>>4483442
Part of my art is critiquing others.

>>4483458
How is it always the shitty photographers that develop the most impenetrably arrogant attitudes?

>>4483463
I know right? He even did the
>I've been shooting photos longer than you've been alive
thing.

The better than thou arrogance really pairs nicely with him getting bitchy about someone calling his art forgettable.

>>4483458
He edited the image and therefore made it his own. It is complete and utter shit. You should work on your reading comprehension. Ha

>>4483466
Is moving the goalposts photography too?

>>4483469
It is his work. Now cope harder.

>>4483464
come on. I'll give you a head start:

helios 44.
ND filters.
pro-mist.
another filter too.
and it may surprise you young friend, i didn't put this through photoshop at all.

But you knew all this, right?

>>4483009
>shoot 6x7
>struggle to get any visible grain in normal sized screens and images (8x10 et)
>shoot 35mm
>something is always 'off', just doesn't look good, lack of sharpness
>645
>not as hard to get grain as with 6x7
>50% more shots per roll
Seems like 645 with Delta 3200 and HP5+ in Rodinal was the Chad format all along

>>4483505
>struggle to get any visible grain in normal sized screens and images (8x10 et)
That's the whole point nigger. Also I hate the aspect ratio of 645

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>>4482924
posters are calling your skill into question because there is a strong pattern of photographers online getting caught up in gear when technique and theory are a far more productive areas of focus. it's almost a norm, even. but if you aren't producing images worth looking at, then it's not much use to be able to make large, finely detailed prints..
in any case, the best solution is to try out every system you're interested in and stick with the ones that work best for you. that's what i did and i am quite comfortable with my current gear. i bought somethign like fifteen cameras and as many lenses in a two-year span. used every piece for a few months, sold the stuff i didn't like as much. if you can afford a monochrom, you can afford to spend a few hundred to try out a system.. i will say though, the gfx 100 bodies don't feel anything like the xf bodies. for one, you're stuck with pasm

>>4483510
Eat my ass

>>4483511

The picture i posted had nothing to do with the question i asked. It's not like i'ts my 'flag ship photo'. heck, i never post anything I've printed/sold.
It was literally an afterthought for the post. Yet some people seem to think it was me showcasing my photographic prowess. like i'm trying to prove something here.
weird.
and weirdly hostile.
it just smacks of smelly, angsty testosterone. and obesity.

Anyway, to your other point - the problem with the cameras i'm looking at buying; they're hard to offload. Niche products. I've learned the hard way that niche products take a LONG time to offload. Or suffer losses.
In fact, the two monochroms for sale in my area have been listed for 4 months each. and they're reasonably priced too.
I think your strategy works if you're browsing the usual suspects. or popular/in demand focal lengths/brands/bodies. 50mm lenses will ALWAYS sell. Anamorphic 135mm..... yeah.... not so much.

I don't even want to think about how long it'd take to sell a phase one.

>>4483345
I'd like to say i'm sorry for being more educated on art and having more money than you.
but i'm not.

Just as an FYI - i've sold prints. many actually. i have regular buyers.

what would be worth your time is understanding your own anger.
why does my 'mediocrity' enrage you? what does your experience of my photo say about you?

>>4483523
I feel sorry for the people who have dealt with you more than once.
If you post a photo here, you can expect criticism. Why does it enrage you that you're getting it? Is it because that's not what you want? Are you even curious about why people think this, or do you want to block it out by saying "yeah, but I have more money!" which may well be true, but what's the relevance? Buy yourself a nicer camera by all means, I don't care. What I do care about is the chip you've got on your shoulder; just let me get rid of that for you.
Again, the photo you posted is really quite bad. It's not your best? WOW, that's amazing, then you can accept that people think it's shit. I think yiu're getting this defensive and deflective because this is representative of your output. You can purchase whichever camera you like to increase the quality of your photos, but you can't purchase a camera that increases the value of your photos. I can give a more in-depth analysis of some of your photos, but you'll have to ask me nicely :^)

>>4482924
>>4483057
yep these are definitely leica owner tier pics you would fit in great with the crowd
get the monochrom

>>4483503
Damn this whole list and you still took a bad photo of nothing.

Like you've gone through and convinced yourself now that
>I'm gear obsessed or actually a technician (I've genuinely no idea where this came from)
>I'm smelly, angsty, and obese
The only thing you've gotten right is that I'm high T, thank you for that compliment by the way.

This whole "I'm better than you" thing you're trying to do when someone tells you that the picture you took isn't good is making it worse. That's literally all this is.

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>>4483541
>high T, thank you for that compliment
o to be a dumb fuckin american teenage boy, proud to have substituted testosterone for a brain
>but joe rogaine tole me so
Russian ICBMs can't rain down fast enough

>>4483523
This

>>4483532
I know you're a shitty photographer from your little cringe autism essay lol.

>>4483554
And another thing to add to the list of things you've convinced yourself I am.

You should stop projecting and instead work on getting better at photography or taking criticism.

>>4483554
Look folks, its moopco! He’s going to live to see replacement migrants kicked out and STILL stay unemployed!

>>4483549
>when your photos are so bad you make a thumbnail collage to save everyone else time

>>4483554
Yep. Also sour grapes for sure. Poor cope anon needs to feel good about himself somehow.

>>4483556
Why are you angry about my autism essay? What does this say about your ability to read and engage with ideas?
I know (You)/OP are/is a shitty photographer because I see the damn photos in front of me.

>>4483561
Look forward to seeing your photos

>>4483561
Also, if you're going to critique, could you at least elaborate as to what's bad about them?

>>4483566
>autist doesn't recognize emotions correctly

Kek, schizo.

>>4483570
>idiot doesn't recognize that I'm being facetious
You're not beating the reading ability accusation

>>4483571
>no it was just a joke guys. I'm not actually a seething retard! Promise!

Doubt

>>4483573
Look back through the comment chain and see which post I was referring to by reversing it. If you ask nicely, I'll point it out to you. Which is more difficult for you: deflating your ego, or reading and understanding? :^)

>>4483575
>autism post: narcissist edition

>>4483578
You continue talking about yourself.

> why does my 'mediocrity' enrage you? what does your experience of my photo say about you?
Vs
>Why are you angry about my autism essay? What does this say about your ability to read and engage with ideas?

Come on, man, did you finish high school? I'll let you off if you're still learning.

>>4483580
>projection
>schizo post

Post another one of your shitty photos.

>>4483588
Alright man. I haven't posted any of my shitty photos.

>>4483549
Are you OP? Some of these are pretty good. Why didn't you post one of the good ones for OP instead of what you posted?

>>4483602
Not OP, commented pretty early on about my M10-M, thought I'd add to the thread with a few pics for the nophotos

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>>4483549

I know it's cliche, and given the size, admiteddly harder given the size, but i can literally see the quality of these over say, a non-leica photo in black and white mode.
The differences are marginal, but they're there. and they do matter.

They look great.

and so my plan is to get the monochrom BUT..... i did have to wonder IF a medium format like the GFX, or maybe the X2D, might produce similar or maybe even better tonality etc with the extra bits and real estate.

But alas. All i get is a wall of "YOUR PHOTO DOESN"T COMPLY WITH MY IDEA OF GOOD PHOTOGRAPHY!"... without producing any work of their own. Suggesting they're just bitter angry people who have been told by their mom how great they are, but nobody else agrees.

>>4483606
Nophotos only produce garbage. What do you expect from the undesirable class?

>>4483606
I think you could definitely get there with one of the 100mp models, but the IQ to size ratio is just so good on M, I can take it everywhere

>>4483606
GFX, in theory, would have better tonality for out-of-focus subjects at the very edge of the frame and empty skies that take up another half of the frame. Larger sensor=better photos, and you can buy your way into skill and good composition if you just squeeze out a little more tonality and tell yourself that criticism only comes from retarded, schizo haters who are upset that they don't have as much free cash. This is achievable and real! You just need to shove your head up your ass a little farther and eat more beans beforehand so you have a copious supply of your own farts to sniff. You can achieve if you dream big.
Probably buy the Leica.

>>4483620
>sour grapes: the post

>>4483621
My photos are better than yours

>you're mad because you're poor
Cope

>>4483620
Seething micro fool turder lol

Even aps-c looks like crap. Sharpest part of the lens? Evenly blurry everywhere is more like it. Fuji makes it even worse. There’s a reason 35mm sensors were the consumer standard until the industry went digital and relied on disappointment-driven yearly upgrades

>>4483622
Anyone who makes posts like you is definitely terrible at photography. Imagine getting so angry and jealous because someone wants a camera you can't afford.

>>4483620
So scientifically its very likely that he actually will think like that. That buying the more expensive camera will make the end result better.

Theres the classic dinner experiment. Despite both foods being the exact same thing with no differences, the groups reported that the one they were told cost more was better.

Like no shit people actually buy those shitty Leica rebranded fujifilm instant cameras for twice as much because it has a little red circle on it. I'm willing to bet that people bought the rebranded Sonys that Hasselblad sold a decade ago too.

>>4483622
>My photos are better than yours
Which were those?

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>>4483549
film always win

>>4483566
keked hard thanks anon for the reverse psychological attack, OP is owned, the thread can be closed

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>>4483628
Very true, way too lazy for that anymore though, too many years working in a lab
Here's an example from the M10-M, full image is about 50% of full resolution, and crop is showing 400%
Taken with a $300 lens I've had for 12 years though, and all sharpening (inc export) on C1 turned off
Realistically, pretty content to peep at like 800%

>>4483629
>t. Seething samefag

>>4483638
Sadly for you I'm not the anon but nice try my beloved "artist"

>>4483625
The GFX isn’t just more expensive. It’s actually better, and the very point of diminishing returns (at 4k)
It disobeys equivalence too. Crop factor and graph faggotry says 1/2 stop, visually wins by 1.5-2.

>oh an "art" picture thread
>open the thread
>it's worse than the "am I a good photographer" monthly thread
>OP wants to buy the most expensive camera
yeah checks out.

>>4483638
see >>4483297

>>4483642
>>4483639
See
>>4483638

>>4483640
Its ackhsually 0.75 and to me looks like only 1 stop advantage on dxomark

>>4483640
Sadly it doesn't have the little red circle so people are going to think you're poor no matter how technically amazing it is. Or like with all of us, they'll just look at the pictures on their phone screen for five seconds and not even both zooming in.

>>4483624
You can get whatever camera you want. Shame you can't buy an attitude that isn't arrogant and abrasive, because that's what's bothering me.

Buy the Leica.
Then wonder if you got the best camera for the job and convince yourself that it has to be because it's a Leica and you have to be a good photographer to have one of those. Never improve. You are producing art in black and white with tones and an expensive camera of your choosing, so you are at the pinnacle, and any ciriticism is from seething poorfags who just want your camera (it's a Leica)

>>4483625
see.
this is a prime example of how immature many are in their photography journey. Photography isn't just technical abilities or stats. Heck it doesn't even have to be about 'rules'. it can be about the process of making the image - an artistic point lost on many here who have criticised my original photo - who have a clear cut understanding of what photography is to them, and therefore, should be to all others.

Cameras and brands have a social impact. They CAN make taking photos of people easier. much easier.
Is it mandatory? no.
can you achieve this effect without the red dot? absolutely.
Is it easier in some instances when you DO have the red dot? unequivocally yes.

When you have gone around the sun more than 15 times in your life, you'll begin to realise the photography is a social science. It's often (depending on your subject) as much about people skills as it is about technical skills. And people, rightly or wrongly, are drawn to the semiotics and symbology of brands.

Red dot means you are professional, will take a good photo and can probably be trusted because you're heavily invested. None of these things may be true, but your average person can often believe them to be, and that's what's important.

If some guy comes up to me with a Leica and wants to take my photos - hey this guy is probably pretty legit and i feel special to have my photo taken by someone with such expensive gear.
Someone approaches me with his pocket sized creep shot taker GR3 and I'll assume he's momentarily stopped taking photos of upskirts on escalators to take a photo of something weird about me.

None of that is true.

But people often believe it to be true. and THAT impacts the whole photographing experience.

>>4483656
>jelly poster rationalizes his jealousy

Kek

>>4483634
there is definitely 'something there' about the monochrom look.
Is it better than most black and white settings on most cameras? yes.
is it worth more than a standard leica, yes.
is it worth THOUSANDS more than a standard leica? probably not.
But there's no other way to get that extra quality, so what's a guy to do? Got to pay up because nobody else is offering a similar product.

... maybe buy a medium format? lol.

>>4483661
Do you bottle your own farts for later enjoyment?

>>4483664
do you ever post your work on a photography board?
i'm sure your mom tells you they're good.
why don't you post them here?

>>4483666
Same reason I predict most people don't post their photos here and OP posted a shit image here:
>the site shows up on reverse image searches
>if you reverse image search my stuff thats any good it literally doxes me

I'm shy and don't want the anonymous person I've engaged in a multi day long argument with to be able to know my name.

let me summarise this thread:

"hey everyone, I want to choose a new set of paint brushes. anyone help?"

The help:
>WTF bro - horizons aren't even aligned. - what retard league editing is this?
>TF is that skin tone.
>Fucking BORING
>What's with that color palette?
>IIM TOO BUSY TO POST MY OWN PAINTINGS!

>>4483670
I think what you mean to say is:
"you'll be able to find the real owner of the photo and notify him that someone is stealing his/her work"

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>>4483671
Thread summary
Pic related
OP (You) on the left, btw

>>4483671
Maybe he should have posted in the gear thread if he wanted gear advice?

>>4483675

It's called the dunning-kruger effect my friend.
yes. there are actual names for this. not just memes with funny PNG titles.

>>4483674
Yeah you probably are mentally ill enough to email me to notify me that you don't think I'm good enough to have taken that photo, I agree.

>>4483677
>>4483677
That's amazing, OP. You just did an inference.
Falling in line with the left-of-graph allegation, I see

>>4483678
so out of your vast stores of photographs, with ALL your oodles of photography experience, you can't possibly post even ONE photo because some random guy will email you on the internet.

Lol. Ok bud.

>>4483674
The m43 gang was stealing photos for a while lol. It was funny.

>>4483681
The cancerous nophoto is the biggest coward on /p/.

>>4483680
made* an inference.

lol. who tf says "did an inference"?

all you haters are just fucking retarded. I'm sorry. But you all bought cheap film cameras coz you can't afford the more expensive gear. and none of you have an ounce of artistic education between the lot of you.

Good luck with your life. Maybe you can come dig a ditch for me sometime.

>>4483681
We've literally been arguing for almost 3 days. Would you fucking trust someone you argued with for 3 fucking days with your full contact information being just one click away?

>>4483685
If it was OP I wouldn't mind because he doesn't come off as a massive loser. You on the other hand...

>>4483677
Can't help but notice you didn't reply to the post pointing out that we have a whole general you could have just asked in.

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>>4483522
ok sure most of the replies were shitpost goblins but you also played right into their hands. you could have posted at least a photo good enough to justify saving on your computer and you could have just not fed the trolls..
in terms of buying and selling, you can do it easily on ebay. buy anything good, don't break it, and resell it for the same amount. that's just a 15% rental fee. i had a gfx 50r up for less than a month before it sold. it's nothing. leica m262, nikon A, same thing. every day you waste reading forums and reviews, hypothesizing is another day you could have spent actually using the gear and gathering experience to empirically determine the winner

>>4483688
Post your work then. One of your good ones.

>>4483691
You first nophoto

>>4483684
We got him, boys. He's leaving. Talking about money until the end. God bless him! I'll put some prints up for sale so he can buy a good photograph like he wants. God bless him!

>>4483685
Also, once you've been arguing with someone, it's pointless to post your own photos. They're going to hate on them no matter what at that point.

>>4483690
well those goblins helped bump the post so some people with at least some insight may be able to provide some help.
I was hoping someone may have direct experience of doing monochrom on both. and could speak to that experience.

DESU i'm surprised you moved your GFX so quickly - must be the R effect?

>>4483692
>I'm going to endlessly criticize you for not posting a photo
>No I won't post a photo myself
the nophoto-nophoto.

>>4483693
Then just join a critique group IRL and do photo walks with real human beans. I don't know why you guys come here if all you get is disappointment and hate.

>>4483690
but i wanted to remark upon your point about feeding the trolls:

I genuinely feel no need to prove myself to nobodies on this board.
so what? people can say "wow! nice photo!".
that doesn't pay the bills.
That doesn't float my boat.
I don't need people to say nice things about my art. I do it for me.
I've been doing photos long enough to not seek the affirmation or approval of others.
whats better, for me, is people handing over cash for my prints. THAT is the real proof in the pudding.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one.

>>4483695
>the nophoto coward remains a nophoto coward and continues making the lamest excuses ever.

Not suprised. The nophoto coward is what killed /p/.

>>4483698
You forgot the other part. That they usually stink lol

>>4483699
You're self describing.

>>4483698
You do care what the "nobodies on this board" think or you wouldn't have come here to ask a question.

Like your entire post about not needing to prove yourself to us sort of goes out the window when you account for you ARGUING WITH US FOR THE PAST 3 DAYS

>>4483701
and even if others don't like them. so what?
i hang them in my house because I like them.

what part of this is so hard for you to understand? The part where I enjoy the product of my work for my own benefit?
Does it annoy you so much that I can be happy in my own work while you seethe because you seek the validation of others?
Your anger and hostility is misguided then. You're angry at your own shortcomings.

I'm just the recipient of your own frustration - hence why your views don't bother me.

>>4483646
Internet audiences aren’t important

My mother is a more worthwhile endpoint

>>4483645
DXOmark is a computed raw SNR thing, not a perceived processed jpeg quality thing.

The equivalence smashing only really happens after processing and downscaling. The 100mp turn into a 24mp that is higher quality than native 24mp, down to sizes as paltry as 8x10 prints/4k. A 1080p it doesn’t matter what camera you use as long as it’s bigger than micro four thirds.

>>4483703
i came for photographers personal experiences? Because there is hardly anything about this topic on the net - go search for yourself and see.
and yes. you're helping bump my thread so i occasionally get an interesting post worth reading here and there.

You don't care so much that you pretentiously replied to everyone ITT to defend your art. You could've ignored the first post but you decided to give the most ridiculous reply currently on /p/. Next time ask in the heat thread you'll have less chances of being nutted over by everyone. But at least you've posted pictures so there's that

>>4483706
You're still replying to let us know how you don't care about the conversation. Your ego won't let you back down. And before you try to bounce this back on me to try and say I won't back down either I actively love this argument. I am mentally unwell and know it.

>>4483696
For the banter. You'll figure it out someday, but for now you can't handle it. You've called me seething mad, retarded, and a schizo in this thread, assuming you're OP. I've had fun. There aren't many places you can rag on someone who's so defenseless. Like this guy said >>4483690. You've got to develop thicker skin and be able to take some criticismw and 4chan is honestly a pretty alright spot to do that because people are shitheads here. 90% of comments, at least, you can ignore. 8% of the remaining is only vaguely helpful. Welcome haters into your life instead of saying "hmmf well I spend more money than you" and you might actually improve. Your photos in this thread are shit, but the vast majority of photos, period, are shit.

You won't believe me but I've been considered one of the best photographers on the board. I don't post anymore because there's nothing anybody offers me here. Yes, I am seeking out critique groups now. But you have to become your own harshest critic, and when you know what you're looking for and put your photos through the ringer as it is... there's not much that someone can say that will devastate you and cause you to become defensive. You see it as a learning opportunity if someone gives you a detailed, scathing review and tells you exactly what they think you did wrong; you probably have an answer to explain your reasoning behing it as well. And your reasoning should go well beyond "expensive camera + b&w + tones = good photography!".

>>4483708
Gear* I'm phoneposting again kek

>>4483709
well at least you've admitted it.
you troll others work because you're mentally unwell and thrive on vitriol and hate.
says a lot about this whole situation.
And probably most of the nophotos who are throwing shit around here.

>>4483706
In my personal experience, your photos stink and you'd be better off focusing on improving your """art""" into real art than you would be buying a new camera that costs more money. Does that answer your fucking question, dumbass? Forget the camera, forget the pricetag, focus on the photo and what it communicates. Where's your art education showing in all this?

>>4483712
Yeah were the same except instead of vitriol and hate you thrive on some unearned ego. I would much rather be an ass than smell my own ass all day.

>>4483708
I didn't know there was a gear thread.
i dont come on this board often.
And won't be coming back here - and that's the communities loss.
This is just shit posting. when it could be so much more.
i guess i expect too much. people probably post on here between faps to loli on the other boards.

4chan really is dead.

>>4483715
Holy shit dude its like the most bumped thread on the board if you just look in catalog view.

The thought to lurk for a few hours before posting a thread never fucking occurred to you? You just jump in ass first and then get mad when people shitpost in your thread?

>>4482924
ok facts time

the general rule is
mono/foveon = megapixel figure is accurate
2x2 CFA: 1/sqrt2 less than^
3x3 CFA (xtrans): 1/sqrt2 less than^

following this the 100mp gfx/x2d still has a slight resolution advantage, before any noise/quality improvements from downsampling 100mp

the actual gfx/x2d resolution for the worst case scenario is about 70mp. above this the full sized image will usually be noticeably blurrier in some spots. it may also have moire that needs edited out before doing anything else.

the pixel pitch is the same so both need equally well corrected lenses. the gfx is still benefitting some from a larger imaging area.

the gfx can also use a lower iso in real life photography. equivalence is a test scenario thing. or a video thing, they have a mandatory shutter speed. there’s always aperture or ss to give up, or enough light, in real life stills photography. fuji G lenses are also generally superior to equally priced leica M lenses. in fact, a lot of leica’s catalog is optically bad or only as good as entry level canikon lenses… for DSLRs.

even at smaller sizes both will mog any lesser camera

>>4483715
>And won't be coming back here - and that's the communities loss.
fuuuuuuuckkkk, nice b8 m8 I'm retarded I should've seen it coming, 9/10 honestly

>>4483710
I'm not him, but I told my psychologist that 4chan isn't good for my health because people are so theatrical and insincere here. I actually have a diary I have to fill out about the pros and cons of using imageboards, because I feel like I am slowly getting desensitized to violence and hate speech.
I learn a lot here (I'm a begtard) but do think that people will rag and shit on my photos for the sake of appearing aloof and disinterested, because, after all, 4chan is and was made for millennials who were disaffected and alienated from the art world. Whether you love them or hate them, the millennials who made it in photography (Schutmaat, Genitempo, Smallwood) had to make it through sheer force of will and starting up their own photobooks and publishing houses. That isn't easy, especially when deluxe, specialised, idiosyncratic photobooks are seen as the norm to get a prize or get an audience.
Anyway, I think you're an interesting person and this board wouldn't have much to offer if you are as good as you say you are. I use it because I'm very new and still get confused over technique, specialised knowledge, optics, gear, and all that jazz. But someone like you should be perfecting their concepts, trialing out their ideas, making series, getting prizes, and finding an audience for your art, as well as building relationships with galleries and dealers.

>>4483715
>i went to 4chan and a few people were stupid. i took them seriously and now i am mad. how could this happen to me?
welcome to the internet outside of reddit.

learn to distrust peoples motives and ignore obviously stupid comments… if not make them yourself

scrub

>>4483719
I thought 4chan filtered biches and snowflakes like you, maybe try Reddit if you don't want brutal opinions and come back here when you've stopped being a fag

>>4483717
Excellent post. thank you.

From this perspective - this looks like the 100mp GFX/X2D edges ahead in terms of technical ability?

>>4483721
I hate reddit. You are hurt and use hatred as a salve. Seek help.

>>4483719
I'm the person who called himself mentally unwell. You should not be on this site, guy.

>>4483725
Why don't you just change how you think and act instead of pushing disabled people out of your community? Is it too hard to recognise that mentally ill people are human?

>>4483723
yes, with cheaper, sharper lenses. especially if you give it a little more light.

but you will have to edit out moire and you will have to adjust sharpening to your taste, maybe even locally, for SOME photos to get it to fully compete with an m11 mono all of the time.
these are just part of dealing with bayer filters.

at least it is not xtrans.

>>4483703
>no u

Cope harder coward. You were never going to post a photo and we all knew that.

>>4483728
Neither were you bitchass

>>4483726
Being mentally eel is a choice. Free will is truth. Self awareness and consciousness are real, not engineering problems. So called chemical imbalances are the symptom, not the cause.

There’s a reason people without much of a mind to think of itself and barely any ability to control itself rarely become mentally ill. Maybe just antisocial, impulsive, or some other descriptor of deficiency.

>>4483719
Everyone is desensitized to hate speech. Go outside. Say white people have no culture. Say white people aren’t a race, they’re a social construct. Say white people invented slavery and war. No one will care.

Then say all that again, but with other races. Now you will be assaulted if not arrested. People are only ever selectively desensitized to hate speech. I don’t think you can truly see all forms of hate speech for what they are until you’re desensitized to all of them to the point of indifference. only then can you, through cold analysis, weigh it on its merits and see its flaws, errors, unfairness, and outright lies, and not just reject it based on dogma, but reject it as thoroughly as we reject any lies.

>>4483729
>admits to his cowardice and dishonesty

You made it way too easy to get the truth out of you. Nophotos are all the same. Literal garbage.

>>4483732
I said I wasn't going to post an image way earlier. Can you not read?

>>4483730
Except there's a real genetic component to mental illness and we have proof of that because it runs in families, but will only be brought out by an environment, drug use, trauma (cortisol), or life events. It's not really my fault that I am disabled; it is the luck of the genetic lottery. 4chan is proof that mental illness is global and is not mediated by cultural or social milieus; mentally ill people will congregate in disaffected, alienated spaces like /r9k/ and post constantly about depression or suicide or being an incel. I have done heaps of physical exercise, gymed every second day, and done all sorts of therapy and medications, and I still experience symptoms like disorganised thinking, language disorder, thought disorder, avolition, and more. I've tried my hardest to fit in with coworkers or university or work in jobs I don't particularly like, but still I cannot get people to accept that I have a genetic problem. Because we have people like you, who are the intellectual equivalents of naturopathy moms in the suburbs, who think I can merely do self-help or use willpower to will away hallucinations, delusions, negative symptoms, and whatever else.

>>4483731
You are just afraid non-white people will treat you the way white people treated non-white people. You are a hypocrite and your tears are crocodile tears.

>>4483719
Yeah, imageboards do suck. Like I said, you need to develop thick skin for some things and just ignore other things. I take breaks from time to time.
I'm glad you think I'm an interesting person. I'm pursuing the things you mentioned. I'm in the process of drafting an artist statement as part of a submission to a local gallery which comes with some nice funding and persks if I get accepted, but it sucks to write it because I feel like a wanker. I've been a shithead ITT but I don't have an ego nearly as big as OP's and my photos are easily much better.
For what it's worth, I think you're taking a good approach by coming at your interaction with the website with a bit of self-reflection... but the best approach is to just leave. You can find the technical details elsewhere, and, like I said, the only real reason to stick around is the banter. Or because you're addicted.

>>4483735
And here you are with the dogma, you stupid fuck. A white person was born yesterday. Why should they receive hate speech? What do they deserve? You treat them like shit for intergenerational justice bullshit. See how many people die next time. All because you can’t let centuries old fucking blood feuds go. You faggot caveman.

You’re not anti-racist unless you’re anti-racist period. If you welcome any form of racial hatred may every other form come upon you in turn.

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>>4483698
i recognize some of your lines and it more or less feels at this point like you intentionally chose a weak OP image to provoke the expected response because you wanted to pontificate and needle and maybe harvest content
your response is interesting. people post nice photos here on a regular basis, as anon. there's no prestige to be gained. i don't think many posters here think about that. i myself don't post photos i like here to prove myself. i post them because i love photos and i love the imageboard and i want good photos to populate my internet home that i share with others who also love those things. of course a photo can have an effect on how people will weigh the accompanying words, but that's incidental for me. the natural choice for an op would have been a photo which would have been significantly improved by depth and tonality of stronger gear
>>4483694
save searches on camera models and you can easily track how long they stay on the market as well as pick off good deals once they arise

>>4483738
Fun racism fact: powerful and dedicated racists are known for propping up racial hatred against their own race to encourage the public to become more hateful and violent in turn. When they think they’d win or have a track record of winning.

It is all the same and it all serves the same end

>>4483738
I am against identity politics and whatever Trumpists think "DEI" is, but you are blind if you think society and the wealth in the world came out of nowhere. Everything has context and a history. I support justice, full stop. Your justice is a form of segregation, hatred, and gated communities. I will be a "shitlib" if that means a little black boy can afford a camera and make his own art.
Even stoic philosophers believed in retributive justice for slaves 2000 years ago. Why do you find it so hard?

>>4483739
Are you saying that you think OP went through all this effort to get his thread bumped?

Hanlon's Razor. Never attribute to malice what can adequately explained by stupidity.

>>4483741
>NO! WHITEY GOTTA PAY! SOMEONE BORN YESTERDAY NEEDS TO SUFFER FOR SOMETHING SOMEOME DID BEFORE!
You’re not anti-racist unless you’re anti-racist period. If you welcome any form of racial hatred may every other form come upon you in turn.

And it will. It does. Every single time.

Why is it so hard? You. Want. Innocent. People. To. Suffer. And. Die. For. The. Crimes. Of. Unrelated. Past. Individuals. Period. That is ALL racism. Period.

Deny it or accept eternal war.

>>4483741
>literally unable to say "yes, its wrong to hate white people"
Average shitty pseud photographer

Buy the leica so you can lose more money

>>4483745
Does it make you uncomfortable that the KKK previewed Birth of a Nation in the White House? Are you ashamed of your white ancestors?

>>4483746
>whitey gotta pay suffer and die because unrelated people many years ago were the same color, and bad!
This is as logically valid as punishing innocent black people for crimes committed by other black people or punishing all jews for the actions of the ones in gaza.

You can not only pick one racism. All racism operates on the same logical principle. When you believe one is true you are obligated to believe all are true and you set that example for others.

>>4483748
>This is as logically valid as punishing innocent black people for crimes committed by other black people
That's an assumption embedded in deontology; you are defending the absolutist position that all crimes are bad and that an eye for an eye makes the world blind. I think morality is much more complicated, as someone who is a historically informed virtue ethicist. I instead think people should be judged as individuals in the context of history and social milieus. That means that a poor black guy who makes a statement, "White people should pay me reparations for the long history of slavery," is not committing the same immoral act as a white person who says, "Black people should pay me reparations for stealing my car."
>punishing all jews for the actions of the ones in gaza
How would you solve the Gaza conflict? By merely agreeing to a peace deal and letting the Israelis settle in Gaza after flattening it and displacing all its original inhabitants?

>redditor: i shouldnt be here you guys are too racist
>4channer: racism is wrong, actually. i’m sorry you had to meet those idiots. just approach them with a cool head and realize how stupid they are. all people deserve equal rights and consideration even if they are the same color as someone who did something bad once. we need to fight all racial discrimination wherever we find it.
>redditor: Eeeeeefg nnnnnnnnngnnnngNNNNMMMGNOOO IT ISNT! RACISM IS JUSTICE! WHITE PIECES OF SHIT NEED DIVINE RETRI-
Many such cases

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>>4483750
We already heard your sweet talking and sucking up to the white man. It ignores the real structural oppression that black folk face, Mr Mahatma Gandhi.
>Who taught you to hate the texture of your hair? Who taught you to hate the color of your skin? To such extent you bleach, to get like the white man. Who taught you to hate the shape of your nose, and the shape of your lips? Who taught you to hate yourself, from the top of your head to the soles of your feet? Who taught you to hate your own kind? Who taught you to hate the race that you belong to, so much so that you don't want to be around each other? No... Before you come asking Mr. Muhammad does he teach hate, you should ask yourself who taught you to hate being what God gave you. We teach you to love the hair that God gave you. Here you, way out in the middle of the ocean, can't swim, and you worried about someone that's in the bathtub and can't swim.

>>4483749
Yes. Both are wrong. UNRELATED PEOPLE ARE NOT GUILTY OF THE CRIMES COMMITTED BY OTHERS. Period. Idiot.

If you can somehow blame your shit life on ghengis khan or the kkk unrelated people of a vaguely similar color have nothing to do with it. Grow up, bitch. If you don’t everyone else finds themselves obligated to act in self preservation and become equally racist.
>but logically they shouldnt according to my philosophy
Your philosophy is a false faith. People will always act in self preservation and self defense. That’s it. It is a universal right. Hate no man lest he hate you. End of story. No exceptions.

>>4483754
>i’m racist so if i quote a racist im right
Yes and somewhere the KKK frames blacks as a mortal threat by extrapolating crime rates per capita and a long term threat to civilization’s ability to exist through SES adjusted average IQ scores. Regardless of the innocence or intelligence of their victims who are likely as sick of the same shitty segment.

Hate no man lest he hate you. No exceptions.

>>4483623
>predigital 35mm sensors
What did he mean by this

>>4483763
Kek. I guess you could say 35mm film is an analogue sensor

>>4483755
>>4483756
The Bell curve anon, the Bell curve. No one is saying it's impossible to be intelligent or well behaved while being a nigger, what we say is they're outliers. It's like good Jews, they actually exist. Being a good Jew or nigger doesn't mean their offspring will also be good however. Those statistics you complain so much about are a consequence of their genetics. Despite being 13% they commit 50% of crimes.
Regards, cinefag

op still hasn't posted a photo that would look good if taken by a $10,000 camera. so go to r/Leica you will find a hugbox perfect for you with all other mediocre hipsters with more money than sense
>inb4 nophoto
I've posted plenty in the /fgt/ threads you should have shat on me then

>>4483676
trvth nvuke

>3 days of "not caring" later

>>4483777
you sound poor

>>4483670
You should take more pictures
I post tons of shit, including wedding work as above, and never been doxed here
I've even posted images of myself at least 4 times, and a few images that did even reverse back to my site, nothing's ever came of it
Even if your schizo paranoia is valid, if you don't have photos to share you haven't published already, you aren't taking enough photos

Nophotos need to leave board for good

>>4483777
>I've posted plenty in the /fgt/ threads
What a good opportunity for you to link them here for us

>>4483816
you know I think it's all backwards, why don't you go to /fgt/ and ask the people who have good enough photos that you would value their opinion for advice

>>4483822
So you'll say you post photos, but can't link them when asked?
Nice

>>4483822
>ask the people who have good enough photos
Which photos in /fgt/ do you consider good enough?

>>4483771
93% of black people never commit a violent crime. The vast majority of jews are not in power, and those that are never conspired - they just followed their religion. Without it they are normal people. The ones who don’t take it seriously are just normal people (actually, I know a few racist trump supporting jews) And statistical discrepancies are just that. Averages. Men are lower IQ on average than women - brings about some sudden caring about the nature of averages. Maybe don’t be a bigot.

>>4483777
The funniest fucking thing is that he’s not just a shitty pretentious bw snapshitter… he’s a voluntarily mentally ill redditor who hates *ethnic group* and wants them all to pay. You can not "ought, in my ethical framework" your way out of the golden rule. It is necessary for life to exist and not destroy itself. So hate no man lest you be hated. Or one day, for no reason, people vote for a genocidal dictator.

>>4483812
>trust me bro the people who are mentally ill enough to argue for three days aren't also mentally ill enough to make two clicks and find your website with your full contact information

>>4483838
you have to go back

>>4483822
.
>"they're good! they're really good! i just can't be bothered linking them. maybe you can go explore how good they are. try to guess which great ones are mine!"

kek/d hard

>>4483849
>trust me bro
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, because I do post all the time
Keep on the nophoto cope I guess
How come I can post photos, but you can't?

>>4483890
What photos did you post?

>>4483908
I posted >>4483634 and >>4483549
I have a couple in /rpt/ I could link too
I could probably link several more in other old threads still around

>>4483964
If you don't have anything to worry about from the people here with your pictures, why did you put black circles over the faces of people in your photos?

The rescue boat is leaving the beach but there is one man drowning

>>4483978
He must've been a huge dick on the way back to shore.

>>4483976
Artistic choice :^)

>>4483980
The rescuer realized it was the shit head nophoto that finally posted one photo and then got reverse image searched and doxxed.

>>4483981
Unfathomably BASED.

>>4483981
Keep on the cope I guess.

>>4483976
I've posted plenty of other pictures here with faces, but I'll tend to black out faces from client photos
I've posted hundreds and hundreds of images here, including ones with faces that reversed back to my actual site, and ones of myself, and nothing's ever come of it

What's the next cope nophoto?

>>4483985
I don't want to make the gamble. I simply don't trust people I've argued with for 4 days straight.

>>4483990
You should leave the board for good nophoto

>>4483990
Also, you should take more photos if you have nothing at all you could share that isn't searchable

>>4483991
I don't agree with that statement.

>>4483992
When people say that it usually means they already posted everything that isnt shit to one of the /p/ discords and dont want their "friends" to know they’re retarded and autistic after spending ages on a fake likable haha chill bruh persona, fyi. The discords killed /p/.

>>4484005
I wouldn't post my photos in a 4chan discord either if I were in one for photos.

>>4484005
Sounds like they don't take many photos then
>>4484004
We used to have an actual community of posters here, sorry to here you prefer this place as walls of text instead

I'm afraid at this point posting photos to their respective boards makes more sense for engagement instead of /p/.
/p/ is the gear board. Post your landscapes to /out/, your cars to /o/, and your portraits to /hm/.

>>4484193
Sorry to here you prefer this place as walls of text instead, nophoto

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>>4484196
Nope. Wasn't even remotely the point you ignorant fag. This community killed itself and it just so happens that if you actually care about your subject matter then the more specific communities (other boards) are better places to actually engage with.\
I'd love if this place was full of people trying to help each other and offer genuine critique, but it's mostly just generic bitching like (You).

So my genuine input is for anyone not liking how this place is going, for you to expore the other boards and post your photos there.
>inb4 nophoto.
He's my lowest quality snapshit for you good xir

>>4483522
>It's not like i'ts my 'flag ship photo'.
why wouldnt you lead with a better photo if you're trying to find a camera that matches your supposed skill level

>>4483698
"heres a buncha words about how not mad i am"

>>4484206
He's right though

>>4484202
I'm advocating for people posting photos
You're the one bitching, even with this post, your just bitching about bitching

>>4484202
>I'd love if this place was full of people trying to help each other and offer genuine critique,
This does happen here still, most people just never genuinely ask for help
Be part of the change you want to see and offer help next time

>>4484202
Where do I post my egg photos for maximum engagement?

>>4484353
I don't think you know how to read. Trip yourself so I can filter you plz.
>>4484354
Yeah. Trying. I've noticed the new people otb tend to be more receptive to feedback so I'll normally give them better rundowns.
>>4484356
>>>/ck/

>>4484365
That would be hilarious. Maybe I will only post egg photos on ck. I dont think the jannies would it like it very much. They're weird over there...

>>4484366
It's easily one of the most rulecucked boards on the whole site, makes the /p/ jannies banning my f/64 threads back in the day appear almost benevolent in comparison. /ck/ is full of trigger-happy jannoids

>>4484396
The lemon pig fiasco of the last few years black pilled me.

>>4484419
The people (and I'm using that word loosely) in charge have no real contact with the communities they're supposed to moderate. It's a hostile occupation at this point.

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hi I have not posted in this thread yet but I see 244 replies and 16 images so I am posting some of my recent b&w work to help offset this nophoto situation

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fuck. I said recent. that bridge photo was shot 10 years ago. I just edited it the other day though. whatever.

same deal. ancient photo recent edit

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okay actually recent pic and recent edit

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did I overdo the sky or?

i thought it looked cool

What film do you guys shoot for b&w? I bought a roll of Ilford 3200 but haven't shot it yet. I've read and seen some accounts of people shooing their 400 speed film at 1600 with comparable results to pulling 3200. So I'm curious if something that fast is really worth the price tag.

>>4484523
It depends on how much contrast you're okay with.

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oh. was I supposed to post film? mine are digishit.

R6 II though so a god tier sensor with dynamic range for days

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>>4484523
i shoot tri x 400. not for any particular properties of the stock- idk the differences between this and any other given film stock. but i like the branding and it's pretty cheap

All these photos are literally shit u have no eye

>>4485319
They're fucking grating pick another hobby like tetherball or magic cards or something
Probably as fat and disgusting as one of those players anyway
I once saw a whole room of them, they go to game stores and sit at tables like gnomes
Trading cards like faggots

>>4485320
You sound jealous

>>4485320
Outside of photo, MtG is my biggest hobby spend
I do try to balance it out with weightlifting 4-5x a week, only other board I've posted pics on is /fit/ lol

>>4485321
Jealous of what?
The photographer prioritizes their adherence to black and white above everything else. The pictures for the most part are not enjoyable to look at. It's funny or almost ironic to say, but it's all form over substance. They're grating, noisy, too full, too complicated, all they're thinking about is oh I wanna be artsy
That's not photography. That's faggotry
There's no thought there's no brain behind it. Its cattle photography

I'm not a pro or even experienced, but i "see good", and I don't try to be an art fag or put my ego above my compositions

I'm honest. The person taking these pictures is both stupid and dishonest.

Cattle.

>>4485349
Who are some good photographers in your eyes?
What kind did photos do you take and what do they look like?

>>4485349
He’s a "whitey gotta pay" faggot so yes. Cattle.

>>4482927
So, by that logic if I look down walking on the sidewalk and there's dogshit and it makes me pause for a second and swerve around it and it makes me dryheave with the dogshit smell...that means it has artistic value?

>>4485693
Do you think dog shit can't ever have aesthetic value?

>>4485349
>I don’t know shit but this is the impression I get, and it’s why everyone else is dumb, not me,

Yes hi I was wondering if it were possible for you to give us more reason to think you’re a stupid asshole? Just in case there are 1 or 2 people left on earth still giving you the benefit of the doubt.

>>4482927
>look at meee
>attention economy dur hurrrrgh
Social media brain rot cancer.

It doesn't really matter that much anymore. You can print the size of billboards with either, even after a fairly substantial crop. It really comes down to what you need/want out of your shooting process and your editing process. When you shoot a camera with a monochrome sensor, you (obviously) don't have your color channel data, so you can't manipulate that color data to simulate color contrast filters in post. That means you still have to use physical color contrast filters at the time of shooting. You are stuck with your decision. Those filters cost you between 1 and 3 stops, so the monochrome sensor camera's improved high iso performance is pretty moot. If you are good with that, you can get a great looking black and white image with less post processing. Personally, though, I'd go medium format. The Hasselblad X2d 100c II is significantly cheaper than an M11 Monochrom, and the upcoming Q3 Monochrom will be comparably priced to the Hasselblad but without lens interchangeability. The one place the Hasselblad will let you down is that it is less of a run and gun urban snap shooter than the Leicas, but if you are basically welding it to a tripod that doesn't matter to you.

>>4487816
What do your black and white photos look like?

>>4487817
It depends on what I'm shooting, when I'm shooting, and with what I'm shooting. If I'm in an urban area, I tend to be shooting with a compact point and shoot, and the final images tend to be high contrast, usually shot from the hip, as a throwback to my tri-x pushed in diafine days. My long exposure work tends to feature a cleaner, more large format/f64/ansel adams zone system editing style showcasing broad dynamic range, lots of depth, and that kind of richness you used to get from shooting delta 100 through a hassy with the 80 2.8 planar. I don't use either a hasselblad or a leica monochrom. If I was replacing my long exposure camera today I would get the X2d 100c II.

>>4487819
Did you forget to attach your photos?

>>4487896
I don't post my photos anywhere on the internet. No insta, no facebook, no flickr, no personal website. Why the fuck would I post them to 4chan? If that makes you value my opinion less, I don't give a flying fuck. You are free to do so. That won't change the fact that I don't give my work away.

>>4487906
Sad, maybe one day you can be confident enough to post here nophoto
You should leave until then

>>4482924
yeah go buy the 9k black and white german camera goy - that'll make you happy

>>4487909
What cameras make you happy?

>>4487908
Pot. Kettle. Zone 0.

>>4487912
Did you forget to attach your photo again?

>>4487913
Yep, silly me. I totally forgot. Somday I'll stop being such fucking scum. Alas, today is not that day.

>>4487910
I like my nikon zr with its huge ass screen

>>4487915
Dope choice, I'd love to get one
>>4487914
Still sad

>>4482924
The Monochrom is cool and I'd like to try it sometime. But it's just way too expensive to justify. You can buy a Pentacon Six with a Carl Zeiss lens for $200 and 200 rolls of bw film including development and scanning ($20/roll) for the same price as the Leica without no lens. Double that if you develop yourself, which is half the fun with bw anyway.

>>4483444
So buy a k-1 mark ii and have it converted to monochrome.