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I like that rooster, it can stand by itself.
Those models are folded from regular 15 cm duo paper.
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>>624733
I like the little changes you made, definitely an improvement.
I just finished a rooster, very neat.
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>>624737
Unless I'm mistaken the beak was originally crimped, but the pinched beak looks better imo. Also the tail pleats went all the way yp but you curved the top. Very nice.
>>624738
Absolutely we will try and help! Don't beat yourself up >>624735 this scan is rather blurry, some of the steps are unclear.
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>>624739
I see. Well, in fact, I couldn't tell about the beak because diagram is, as you said, rather blurry.
As for the tail's feathers, that's my habits (same with feathered wings).
Also, I folded the bottom of the wings as mountain folds instead of reverse folds...
Just noticed you omitted part 3 of step 43 (which makes the "collar" rounder), but the pattern from your paper really fit with the underneath layer (it makes a green oval spot!).
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My rooster was born a little... different. I tried with 15x15 and I ended up ripping a part of the rooster's back while folding a step with multiple layers. I will definitely try again.
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>>624744
Yes, I agree!
>>624748
Well, I haven't been in quarantine, but here is that little lizard.
It somehow took some time to fold (repeating 3 times a long sequence for each head), but it is not very difficult.
That dragon is so sad being alone, anyone willing to fold a 3-headed friend?
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>>624749
the only paper I had that was big enough was printer paper, but here he is!
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>>624750
Nice one! Welcome into the 3-headed family. How long did it take it to be born from that printer paper?
(And pretty bowl too.)
Anyone else who want to fold one? Because 3-headed dragons like to be 3 (at least!).
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>>624753
I'd say it depends on your origami habits. I folded mine with 15 cm duo paper, but it ends up quite small (as per attached picture). A neck (or tail) length is around 3 cm, if it gives you an idea.
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Here's my crappy rat. I'm a beginner so I'm planning on working though each animal to hopefully reach the three-headed dragon before this thread dies.
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>>624729
Enyone else trying to fold a senbazuru (1000 cranes)?
I’m already folded 209 little buddies.
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This time a cherry-red ox and orange tiger. I found the legs hard to shape for both models so they ended up a bit wonky. At some early stage I screwed up the tiger so I kinda gave up on it at the end (the camera angle hides some of the glaring imperfections). I'll probably re-attempt before moving on to the rabbit.
>>624760
Thank you. The paper color reminded me of eggs.
>>624761
I was lost at that step for a while too, but I'm not sure how best to describe it. If you're still having trouble a day later, I can draw a diagram showing where each edge ends up.
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I've been working through this for the last few days and I can't help but feel like I have some kind of learning disability.
Everything goes well, but then there's an instruction that I just cannot decipher even after 20 minutes and by then the paper is all crumpled from failed attempts.
What should I do when that happens? Move on to the next one and try again later?
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>>624766
try some easier models by searching on youtube. Jo Nakashima is good as he also shows the diagrams, so you can connect the instructions to the physical move.
much as i respect montroll, his diagramming and instructions are ass and pretty hard to follow as a beginner.
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>>624769
Ok I took a few pics from multiple angles. Hope it helps.
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>>624769
Another one
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Finished the tiger. The diagramming is pretty terrible and the resolution doesn’t help so I found the book in Google books
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>>624774
Scratch that, I figured it out.
My only advice is that the diagram is somewhat misleading. If you move the corner of the last fold you made to where it is in the next step, it'll do what you want with some help.
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>>624776
Looks good to me so far.
For step 17, you have to extract the corner of the paper, which was folded in step 7. The rest of the model doesn't get changed (but it helps if you open the bottom part a bit when pulling that corner).
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My autistic gf tried
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I'm not sure I did steps 14 and 17 right on the heart but my first folds are done! Gonna try something harder now, maybe the sea serpent.
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>>624787
Crimp fold is a combination of reverse folds.
So, for the top part and the bottom part, separately, you have to inside-reverse fold on the creases made in step 12; then, inside-reverse fold again, on the creases made in step 10.
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>>624788
Thank you! Here's my sea serpent, it turned out kinda rough but it was still fun. Haven't decided what to try next...
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>>624789
Nice job indeed!
For the next one, that's your choice of course, but if you want to directly use the experience you gained from that sea serpent, you could try folding the western dragon (which is like a sea dragon with legs).
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>>624791
I gave it a shot but it was definitely too advanced for me, I ended up ripping one of his feet and simplifying some of the harder steps. I'll try some of the animals next.
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Just finished folding the suits of cards (7x7 cm squares). Club’s scuffed tho...
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The Monkey model is one of my favorites, done with a 6x6 sheet of good Kami.
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>>624729
Is there a reason why the scan is blurry? I'm thinking of buying the paperback and scanning it myself if the only reason is because it's an old scan. Reply to me if anyone wants the scan, because if there's no interest I'll probably just use the paperback
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>>624807
PDF with reasonable resolution: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ryw72AHdvnnZm60a1DmB8IBBhZDlWNjU/view ?usp=sharing
PDF with unreasonably large resolution: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AbMpOCm0zqzliSdePHzGpcz-vnj6USqg/view ?usp=sharing
They're both way too large to upload to 4chan lol
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I love tessellations but man, folding the grids is always so tedious.
Anyway, I'll finally be trying this turtle that has been haunting me since I saw the tutorial go up years ago. Wish me luck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdqUcFOWg7s&t
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page 101 step 35, what is going on there?
anyway, i stopped trying to figure that step out and started smashing everything else into general shape so i at least had something cool to look at. i'll try again a few times and do it nicely when i have some real paper. is there a brand i should be looking for? i don't want to get scammed on amazon
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Im struggling too. This is my first time trying origami as an adult. I cant figure out what Im supposed to do on step 19 of the tiger.
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>>586751
Thank you anon this helped, also I should have read the thread and seen the pics earlier
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First draft of the bunny. Sloppy in places, but went smooth overall :) I'll do a second with some nicer paper later
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>>624817
Ok not nice paper yet but much better
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Nice bunny bro. Heres mine, i started yesterday and its the first one that i do. I used an A4 and cut a piece to make it 15x15 then created this abomination.
I know its bad but its my first one.
Do you people think i have future?
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Think I fucked up the diamond. The last step says tuck inside and note the pocket, which presumably would keep it closed, but I can't seem to find what that's supposed to be..
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>>624824
while i was trying to pose it for a picture i figured it out lol. thanks for the suggestion and inadvertently helping me get it
i guess even if i think the solution is simple cause im kinda stupid, i should post a picture if i want help. even the simple shit's a mind maze
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Hey guys, I have a question about a Montroll design, not from the same book but I've attached the diagrams in the pic.
It's a really simple model but for reason I am stuck at step 18/19. I've no idea how to pull out the hidden paper without dissasembling the tail fins.
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>>624831
Simply fold on the creases from steps 14/15, without bothering with the tail part.
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oooooh that makes a lot more sense than what i was doing
I managed to complete it, thanks a lot for the help!
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my first origami
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>>624775
yeah, I'm not gonna lie those are misleading and uninformed instructions, you gotta figure out about 70% of it on your own and do a weird inside out kinda fold and the only other thing I'll add is pay attention to how it looks in step 18 and try to think about how it can match that shape from step 17.
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Hey, can anyone make a gif / video of how to fold step 8 in the rat (pg. 22)? I'm having a ton of trouble with it. Picture is of what I have so far, I think I might've fucked up at some early stage.
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>>624840
Indeed, there are some problems in your model:
- Left part of your picture (which is top part of the diagram) is wrong: it looks like a mistake from step 2.
Left and right corners (on the diagram) of the square are inside your model, when they should be outside. (They are the points that will be moved in step 8, number 1, and which are missing in your model).
You might want to check how to fold a "fish base", which is what you have on step 3.
- It seems you did two closed sinks for step 7, but these really are just open sinks. With closed sinks, you can't fold step 8 (number 1), as the flaps would be attached to the bottom part.
(Sorry, no picture to help right now, as I am not at home & have no paper at hand.)
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>>624842
You should look for basic bases and model diagrams then,
Fish base, frog base, square / preliminary base, ...
Traditional models like the crane (tsuru), cicada, kabuto (samurai helmet), ...
Videos can help seeing folding techniques in action & their results, but folding only with videos won't help much with understanding diagrams.
And you can also ask here for help (or probably in a new topic if it is for a model not in MC&TCZ or not from Montroll).
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>>624729
Raven from Satoshi Kamiya.
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Through some modifications, the ram has become a goat. I used 10cm paper so this guy's quite small.
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>>624729
hi anons! Sorry, I am a newfag and this isnt from the book above, but I am really stuck trying to make this owl. I believe I have done well up until fold 18-19... where the diagram suddenly pulls these wings out of nowhere! I have no idea where to pull them from haha...
Please someone fold with me, ty
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>>624855
Thanks for your encouragement... I actually did it! Guys does managing a fold ever make you unreasonably happy??? Anyways, this fold was way easier than I thought it was... I think i was just scared of doing it wrong lol
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>>624862
First, you should use the better quality version of the book: >>624809
It was uploaded quite some time after OP, so it is not easy to find it...
Then, hopefully those pictures will help. If not, ask again.
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i have a bad habit of not folding from books or ignoring models if i dont think the model looks super complex or interesting, but i have an obsession with difficult models and origami dragons so i decided to give both the cerberus and the 3 headed dragon in this book a shot. thoroughly satisfied, tough fold but so worth it
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all i have is 8.5x11 office paper
should i even try >>624809
i cut the paper to be a square as much as i could and failed miserably making the heart on step 5.
this is my first time ever doing this though and i'm pretty sure i'm miss understanding basic instruction steps but feel better by blaming it on the paper.
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>>624879
it helped once i read the legend in the beginning instead of just jumping into folding.
however cutting the paper into a square each time i attempt to fold is getting annoying and i would like to get better at this.
are there any guides for 8.5x11 papers? I check the catalog and couldn't find anything.
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Step 16 of the sea serpent (page 71), where it says to pull out the white paper, has me stumped. There doesnt seem to be anywhere where i can pull out paper without tearing the model
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>>624881
In case anyone needed a side view
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>>624882
sorry for wasting thread space, but i think I got it good
didnt want it to rip
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>>624884
I simply persisted, doing the folds it told me to even if the book had different images than what i got
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>>624891
Sorry from here too for the delay...
What is your problem, really?
Compared to the diagram, your folds from step 21 are a bit too wide (you folded until the legs on the right instead of stopping earlier, cf. attached picture), but that doesn't seem to be critical.
Are you stuck with step 23, the spread-squash folds?
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>>624729
this was fun, i'll try my hand at the animals later
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>>624899
It depends on your experience, but at first, I'd recommend 15cmx15cm at least - and 20x20 or more for the latest models in the book.
The folds by OP (picutred on that cup) are from 15x15.
With a paper large enough, you can understand the folds more easily, and when you are familiar with the technics involved in the model, you can decrease the paper size.
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>>624904
1. Focus only on the long vertical valley fold (cf. picture).
There will be annoying layers in the back, just don't mind them for now.
2. Next, insert a finger where indicated by the large arrow, and push gently the layers from inside, starting to form montain folds on the upper part.
3. Keep gently pushing, and with the other hand, control the mountain folds so that they align as expected.
4. And you are done (previously mentioned mountain folds are in blue; the red line should be on the center crease line or so).
Well, almost done, because you need to do the same on the right.
Hope it helped a bit, but tell me if something is not clear!
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is anyone else struggling on rooster n0 14,15 and 16?
I'vä tried folding these for a while and everytime the n0 14 looks different from the picture.
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>>624910
I assume step 36 is the problem. The blue line in each picture is the center line (I used another paper for the explanation and only folded the relevant parts to get a larger model for the pictures).
1., 2. From step 35, open the rabbit ear.
3. Refold on the long crease, going all the way up.
4., 5. Now for the tricky part: insert a finger where indicated by the arrow, and start folding along the (non-existent) green valley fold. See pictures 6, 7, 8 for the final position of the red part (perpendicular or so to the center line).
6. When that red part is placed as intended, keep it in place and flatten the rest of the layer (green mountain fold).
Then, repeat on the other side.
7., 8. Result.
As before, tell me if it isn't helpful. That step is not so hard to do, but not so easy to explain.
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Velociraptor
first time folding after 5 years or so
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And parrot :)
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3-headed dragon.
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Rooster.
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I love the rat design, hes so cute!
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>>624928 while squash folding step 18 a mountain fold starts to form within the sink you folded in step 17, this occurs at the end of the mountain folds illustrated in step 18 (where my pencil is pointing). Sorry if this sounds like gibberish im drunk and its 2 am. Also make sure you did step 17 properly cause sink folds are a bitch.
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Can someone help me on step 66. to 67.? Spider origami. >>608932
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>>624729
Can somebody help me with the Three-Headed-Dragon? I'm stuck in step 39~40.
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I literally used a big paper sheet and I've been stuck in step 39~40
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A bit late, but pic related might help a bit.
First, squash the top part using creases of step 40; the bottom part of the model won't stay flat.
Then, use the existing crease marks shown (not very clearly) in step 41 to flatten the model again.
Pic related shows what creases to use, and bottom right part is a bottom biew of the model.
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>>624943
If you think like that, maybe you need to practice more. All those models can be folded it regular printer paper; if you browse this thread; you'll see many models made from it.
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>>624944
Just because they can be folded with printer paper it doesn't mean you should do that.
Don't get me wrong, your model is fine but it would definitely look better if you used better paper. It doesn't even have to be expensive to look good: make and paint some double tissue
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Can anyone help of rooster? Page 58 of the book (56/119 of the pdf). I'm getting stuck on step 17 and don't know what it's asking me to do
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Tried a couple of models from the book. Was able to fold Wyvern, Cerberus and Chimera. Although the snake head on Chimera lacks some fine details. Folded them from 20-ish cm square, cut from A4. The sheet they stand on. Will try dragon later. Seems like my paper will allow it.
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>>624950
First of all you've made a mistake on step 13. You shouldn't have triangle peeking out from top.
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Well, it was intense two hours. The center of the mass is far forward, my dragon can't stand on rear legs as shown in the book. But it was a fun challenge nonetheless.
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I managed to make a flying beast.
Paper side is 15cm, maybe too small for me.
Still not a bad result, I guess.
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>>624961
Particularly the part where he folds the corners towards the bottom around 1:20 in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC_Szxdqh2Y
When i attempt it the paper just crumbles in my hands, i'm not sure if it's because of the paper (i did just try with regular notebook paper sheets) or if it's because of my motricity issues
Would heavier paper be better or worse for origami?
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I managed to fold that snake, but I am not happy with the head and eyes. Definitely will try again to improve the result.
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>>624972
Of course... I never think about youtube...
Thanks.
from youtube.com/watch?v=blcZ-9uRZpQ
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>>624973
>I never think about youtube
or try these :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7bxdd2_1ic&pp=ygUTZm9sZCBlYXN0ZXJuIGR yYWdvbg%3D%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2tFZgmVavk&t=2538s&pp=ygUTZm9sZCBlYXN 0ZXJuIGRyYWdvbg%3D%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFFi1nNJxpo&t=805s&pp=ygUTZm9sZCBlYXN0 ZXJuIGRyYWdvbg%3D%3D
I like this one but it's a bit more complicated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEgpSuBS43w&t=1182s&pp=ygUTZm9sZCBlYXN 0ZXJuIGRyYWdvbg%3D%3D
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i've been working on this one for a while, i'm still working on my folding
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Works of Kyohei Katusta 2 and Origami Fantasy 2
Sorry never shared a file before if there is an issue ill try to fix. Please reshare in case im dumb and they vanish
https://www.mediafire.com/file/xgub7y8k4ns2rly/Origami_Works_of_Kyohei _Katsuta_2.pdf/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/cnh8ak4na55l8w3/Folding_Fantasy_Vol_2.p df/file
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Years ago I made some archives of all the available JOAS/Tanteidan stuff. It's been long enough that it might be useful to do that again, but I have some gaps to fill in...
Does anyone know if Tanteidan Magazine 200 is out there anywhere? Haven't seen it on here, on exvagos, or on the usual e-book places. I tried to get on that chinese forum, but the verification emails never seem to arrive so I can't search or download anything...
Also an even more annoying one: The versions I have for issues 185, 186, 195, and 199 don't include the "English Digest" translation pages. Does anyone have copies of those issues that include these?
I'd be happy to re-share anything I do have if that's helpful to anybody.
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>>624995
If you have BOS 2015 spring please share it
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>>624999
Wow, I really didn't think someone would have these. Thanks so much!
Here's BOS Spring 2015: https://www.mediafire.com/file/qnz0dlpurulk3l6/BOS_2015_Spring.pdf/fil e
It's on one of those free throwaway accounts, so please reshare if that link eventually dies
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>>625001
On MediaFire It means that the file was sent by a non-signed-in user. So the file will get deleted after a certain amount of days (I think it was 7).
Iirc the file will stay up as long as people will keep downloading it but I'm not sure.
You can achieve a similar purpose by using services like WeTransfer, which is cool if you don't want to make an account and don't want to stay below 8 mb
Also thank you for Bos 2015 spring! I'm sorry i don't have the 199 digest but maybe if I ask around I'll be able to get it. And I'm glad I was able to help
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>>625002
Thanks again man. No worries on 199, I'm sure it'll show up eventually.
I love that they started doing the translations. Fuse's column is so awesome, it's great to be able to read the articles in this magazine now.
I've been fiddling with OCRing and machine translating the old issues. It's definitely not as good as a real translation, but it seems kinda workable. Gotta figure out a decent workflow for it though, it looks like it might end up being a pain with the way the magazine is formatted.
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For a recent workflow I'd suggest two ways
1st way: this one is free
Use Google LENS to OCR. This will be hard to automate but it gives the best result. Sadly one page at a time and smartphone reliant.
2nd way if you are impressed by LENS you should give Google vision a try. This is a paid option but, if I'm not mistaken, there are some free credits. On GitHub there is ready to use code, but you'll need the API key.
There are other options, such as tesseract but they are subomptimal, especially with resolutions under 400 dpi and languages that don't use Latin alphabet. I'm sure you could also find some libraries to train yourself but honestly, I'm not very practical either!
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Yeah my first tests have been with tesseract. It seems to work pretty well on the recognition, but I haven't tested it enough to know what the limitations might be. Seems easier than lens if I'd have to do every page of like 160 issues -- with tesseract I could at least automate it.
The actual translation part is also something I need to mess with. It looks like DeepL will translate OCR'd PDFs and keep the formatting, which would be easy. I've been more impressed with translations from ChatGPT though, and I don't think there's a straightforward way of getting those into the PDF with the formatting (at least not without manually editing every single one). If it was just the articles, I guess could just do plain text, kinda like the translation pages in new issues. I guess that would still be better than nothing.
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>>625006
I saw that with Google vision there's 1000 units month/free, now it would be cool to test what an unit is. I didn't understand if 1 unit = 1 photo... I didn't have much time to investigate further nor to test it.
It would be cool to make a Google-lens-style view: everything gets kept but the text is changed to the translation. This should be possible as well but I think doing a single document like they do now should be fine
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Salvaged that paper and did the diamond, turned out okay so I went ahead and tried out the rat.
Everything was going well until I got to step 8, from there it was just straight downhill. I want to say I enjoyed it, but being so close to making a good rat and failing so spectacularly in just few short steps kinda pissed me off.
Anyway, here is my armadillo/rat cross breed.
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used to be like that, but then I started watching origami videos and pausing and making that shit at the same time with the video. After a while I could do (easy) shit from paper because the terminology and folds were already familiar. Then it was just folding and now I can do quite impressive models.
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Sup bros. I saw a video today where people discussed obscure hobbies they had and one of the people said origami, and they also said they enjoyed leaving cranes in random places which got me interested. So i followed a tutorial and made this crane for my first time. It was pretty fun! Some of the reverse folds were hard to get right, but I definitely want to make more cranes (and other animals) to get better and more knowledgeable!
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Has no one else done the Griffin yet? If I had larger paper I would love to do the details more justice
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fucking hell why don't they stay flush (heh) and flat, is it my paper? it's 15x15 70 g/m2. Also I think I fucked up the heart because I didn't understand from step 12 onwards and the back is all fucked up, is it supposed to be like that?
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>>625018
What is bothering you in that step?
Top part (labeled 1) are rabbit ears (the same kind of fold as you did in step 2); bottom part is just creasing in half.
Any picture of your model so far? Maybe a mistake in a previous step is the cause of your problem.
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Can someone explain to me what is going on in steps 11 and 12 for the club? i have tried several times but it is not possible to fold the back part down like how it is shown in the diagram