>gibs me dat

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Because you do not have an understanding of economics. Somalians frauding $9B in welfare is why you don't get to have free healthcare you massive retard.

>>527703627
because communism makes everyone poor and all the wealth goes to the government.

>>527703627
anything can be good "in theory" it's the process of applying that theory that exposes the faults of any ideology or system

>>527703627
>free shit
theres no such thing

>>527703716
I should be given that instead of a billionaire pedophile yes

>>527703627
its not bad 'in theory', though it is - lacks price descovery

but it is absolute fucking nightmare fuel in ACTUALITY
nothing
Absolutely NOTHING has been demonstrated to be more of a catastrophic failure of a political/economic system, and applied to broad, resulting in more mass death than under any other ideology ever

Don't give me some "not real communism" shit. That's the point. You will NEVER have real communism because lacking any price discovery mechanism SOMETHING has to step in and fill the gap, and it's usually the most brutal tyrants in history

You have to be willfully ignorant, or decidedly evil to give one single shit about communism being viable in any capacity. Even at small voluntary scales of communes no more than a dozen or two peoples are complete and total shitholes that everyone abuses and abandons.

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Communism is 100% the best option there is and only conservative reactionaries say otherwise.
>b-b-b-but you'll be working the coal mines
No I won't. We'll make the nazis do that work.
>b-b-b-but you won't have any personal property
Good. Nobody should have personal property. Without personal property there will be no greed, no need to steal, no envy of your fellow comrades. Everything you need will be provided for you, nothing you need you will have to do without.
>b-b-b-but "free shit" doesn't exist!
You're right, but when the workers will have full ownership of their own labor, we'll learn just how much "free shit" we should have been getting all along that is instead ending up in the pockets of the billionaires.
>b-b-b-but communists are lazy!
Not true or an argument.

>>527703627
Nothing is free. Under communism, more is always taken from you than you originally agreed to.

This thread is made by a Jeet, do not engage

>>527703627
Call it whatever you want.

There is opportunity in attempting to decentralize authority with smartphone apps.

Lets say a social network that's political in nature that forms its own or augments the existing constitution.

Then the more people that use this app, the more we can ignore politicians and legacy governing institutions in favor for the new technocratic/meritocratic government that is now in the hands of everyone with equal power, equal responsibility and equal results.

>>527703627
Because nothing is free

>>527704618
Stock phrase that doesn't mean anything

>try something 50 times
>get the exact same result 50 times
>noooooo it just didn't work properly, we have to try again
I'd say it works very reliably, it is just a shitty thing

>>527703627
everything goes to the oligarchs that tricked you into the utopia grift.
all you get is breadlines and cannibalism and corruption, lil bro.

>>527704999
So why do we keep trying capitalism?

>>527706045
because it's much better

>>527703627
The thing is, these days you can just say "why can't we be like china?" and it's an irrefutable argument if you aren't terminally online and filled with brainrot. The only "gotcha" is low res pngs and lying propaganda. Even now you can just say, "Wasn't that part of the Bannon psyop trying to take over china with the NSA? It's right in the Epstein files."

>>527704618
everything is free

>>527706170
The system that has destroyed western society and flooded it with niggers and pajeets in the name of cheap labor?

>>527706306
I don't see any niggers or pajeets here and yet we do have capitalism

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>>527703627
I don't want to die by firing squad just cuz I was wearing glasses Zboy.

>>527706399
>it's not my problem yet
You haven't see how bad it will get as the climate gets worse because no one is keeping American capitalism in check. The real immigrant crisis is ahead of us.

>>527706306
>>527706522
but yes, despite all that, it is still better than communism
>but but but what about this issue, what about my limp dick
still better

Communism relies on people being intrinsically selfless and doing their part.
Capitalism relies on people being intrinsically selfish and working for what they need.
Which can we depend on?
Communism is also inherently authoritarian. Which isn't necessarily bad, but you structure the economy based entirely on forced redistribution, rather than natural necessity.

>>527703627
In China, there are baby farms to harvest their organs to keep the country's elites healthy.
They persecute Christians and kill anyone who doesn't align.
In Mexico, inflation and taxes are rising to take our money and send gasoline to the Cuban regime.
The communists are a disgrace.

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>>527706705
You're not going to believe where that hard earned money actually goes...
>Catcha Star of David

>>527703627
>why don’t we keep trying that system that collapses every time, goys?
If we ever went commie, I’d just start shooting all far leftists because it’d be the only sane thing left to do

Let's use an example of a horse and a coachman for humanity. The coachman wants to get to New York. He has tons of carrots and a stick. Obviously, you would want to use both to maximize the horses's power. But bad capitalism would be like feeding too much carrots until it's full and discouraging it from actually going anywhere so you have to get another horse. Communism would be like using only the stick and letting the horse starve. The USA is at the point where the horse realizes the coachman can create carrots at will.

>>527703627
So you get to be a gamer and a podcaster and I have to do road work?

I’d kick you in the head if I saw you.

>>527706906
What did magats think would happen when they struck down Roe v Wade? Bodily autonomy is over. Women's organs were first, poor men's organs are next!

>>527704999
>Russia under communism
>an actual rival to the US in science, tech, and military
>Russia after
>dogshit barely even a regional power that can't conquer Ukraine

>China under communism
>second biggest economy while still maintaining its industry, rapidly accelerating quality of life, educated people

The real curse of communism is that Western Europeans weren't able to pioneer it because it then would have taken off. The worst of the worst were given the best system, because any other system would have caused them to surely fail.

>>527703627
Because shit ain't free. Fruit grows on trees, but someone has to plant that tree, water that tree, fertilize that tree, keep pests off the fruit, harvest the fruit, and ship that fruit to (long story short) you. Someone is going to have to earn it and if they're not getting paid the word for that is "slavery".

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>>527703627
free shit was paid for by someone.
if not you, then debt
if not debt. then taxation theft
think about it. it's not cool to fuck over your future self.
don't fuck up Sweeney's face. she's hot, I can fap yo her.
we all can fap to her, my brothers
>no homo

>>527707244
Isn't that already happening under capitalism? But even more unfair because they live in luxury while providing nothing to society

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>>527703627
It’s not. Communism was wildly successful. It took Russia, China, Vietnam and Iran from backward agricultural states and turned them into the modern, industrialized and in the case of Russia and China, behemoths. It civilized those lands along with the Warsaw Pact countries and Yugoslavia.

>>527703627
makes u a lazy animal

>>527703627
Because labor has value. You would think somebody who reads that slop would understand that.

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>>527703627

Say you want to have a nice barbecue one day, maybe celebrating a promotion or just want to get together with your closest comrades. First barrier to entry, "private gatherings are a misallocation of resources pursuant to the goal of the socialist/communist state. All hal the state, let it be the one who feeds you from 'its' breadbasket.
Now, you decide to play it a little frisky. You 'circumvent' the rules by allocating some of your own ration coupons, and getting some extra supply for the month. What now, comrade? The guest list starts mounting up quicker than expected. Will you go without for the rest of the month for the sake of entertaining your friends through private means, without the consent of the collective?

Capitalism led to walmarts and subsidized healthcare for the poorest of the poor. Communism has led to famines and authoritarian regimes. And, generally speaking, the first ones to go are the most productive of society. Blue-collar workers, farmers, laborers, sacrificed so that the bourgeoisie intellectuals may dine on other's labors while they spill beans about some bullshit naive utopia their own hands could never possibly build with their own two hands, nor stand on its own two feet.

In a world of limitless potential and possibility, why would you limit yourself to hand-me-downs set of rock tools when you could have Black and Decker? Would you parade in loin cloth simply because the state has graciously given you your ration? Or, would you rather dress up in your sunday's finest for the family breakfast at the local diner?

Free-flowing exchange of ideas and commerce is essential to the development of an economy. These are qualities that neither socialists, nor communists, inherently possess.
Instead of birthday parties, neighborhood watch. Instead of middle-class father working 40 hrs/wk, bureaucracy nepotism.

Take out the Marxist aspect and boom, socialism is now good.
No more dying for internationalism, or "liberation" wars.
No more being delusional about a world revolution or a shallow interpretation of history.
No more destruction of the self in the name of utilitarianism and the state for the "greater good".
No more forced degeneracy in the name of true equality.

>>527706296
No, to make a sandwich you need a farmer who grows the wheat for the breed and then sends it off to be processed into flour and then taken to a baking company to be baked into bread. Then another farmer to produce the pigs, cows, and chickens needed for the ham, cheese, and mayo. Then that is all sent to a store where they are sold individually and brought home by your parents. There are tons of costs from raising the animals, to transportation, to processing. All of this costs money. No one is going to do that for free, especially for some dozy urbanite faggot that sits at a desk all day.

>>527708351
marxism is inherently tied to socialism due to it being just a step towards it.

>>527706399
Take it from a Canadian, you'll be surprised how quickly it'll happen, almost like over night.

It's really the philosophy of owning what you produce and not being exploited by rich people who are privileged with power to make more wealth. But America is heavily psy-op'd by j*ws to the point where miggers are yelling and killing people who want green and walkable cities with affordable housing because their j*wish masters paid for air time for propaganda.

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>>527703627
When everyone is entitled to everything, no one is responsible for anything.

>>527707836
>>527709500
This is what commies actually believe.

>>527709581
If I go to work and get paid minimum wage for producing $1000 worth of goods/service, I am being exploited by a rich person.

If I own the means of production with other workers, we get to share the wealth. Just read a bit of Marx like I did. I was very surprised to see how much propaganda I believed about it. It was really comprehensive in its study of cases of exploitation and relationship between population and work. It was quite heavy reading for me though so I didn't get very deep into it.

Do I really need to wake up at 6am to help a billionaire buy another mansion, when he'd literally just fire the entire building of workers if they unionized to get a 5% pay rise? Depending on how you see things, that could be actually immoral itself, or disgusting.

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>>527703627
You get free anything. Communism is an end state ideal that you will never reach. You dont understand the theory at all. Never mind that its failed in practice every time it has been tried.

>>527703627
It would work, in a homogeneous white society. And the moment you get a single jewish or greedy person in power the entire thing falls apart, and the greedy people are going to try and seize power.

Most communists that advocate for communism are not hard working labor people, they are rich spoiled people that think they would be part of the "new elite" if communism would happen.

>>527709500
What if I wanted to mass produce a book or something? Because I believe in my product and want it distributed to many people, because I think it will bring people joy. Shouldn’t I be compensated for that? Wouldn’t I need capitalism for that? I think on top of the other reasons communists are retards they hate art too.

because the american proletariat has been psyopped into associating marxist analysis with the social changes brought upon by capitalism, and thus support the latter against their own interests.

>>527709858
Bro your example is retarded, most minimum wage workers don’t produce 1000 dollars worth of product on their own. On a busy night a pizza shop might make about 6000 dollars over 8 hours, and that’s with a group of 10 people. Do the math or use better examples.

>>527703627
>Why is communism bad in theory? Why wouldn't I want to get free shit exactly?

It's not good because there is always greed in human nature. Commies want you to have free stuff yes, but only the necessities. Free water, free house, free car, free fuel. Not free internet, not free computer, not free light, not free expensive car, not free brand clothing. So... yeah communism is great to live by basic shit.

You can have all the free stuff, that's great. Though, everyone else deserves free stuff too. Not to mention, the leaders don't partake on your same level of 'free stuff' they get 5 times more.

Oh, by the way. Free stuff still costs labor, so basically you WILL work for free stuff, but get only basics.

If you want to figure out why communism doesn't work, don't see capital (money) as a physical means, see it as time. You sacrifice your time for food, commodity, luxury, pleasures, and so on. Once you understand that you will figure out that communism makes you work (time sacrifice) for free.

>>527703627
Communism is the best form of government in a hypothetical where everyone sings kumbaya and does what they need to do... But if you have a society that is already at that point a government isn't needed

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Up, up with our future!

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Up, up with our future!

Down, down with White erasure!

Up, up with our future!

>>527709858
So how do you do with services like being a janny or a nurse? Their labour is some of the most important, but it doesn't "produce" anything.
So how do you calculate how much they would get paid? Does a janny cleaning at a company that produces stuff for billions deserve more money than a janny that cleans a retirement home?

>>527703627
>communism
>free shit
Holy niggertardation, batman!

>>527703627
Price discovery is a self directed mechanism to ensure political compliance. It allows self directed behavioural auto-regulation in conformity to centralized standards. It isn't perfect but its the best possible response to our naturally occurring free will.
>Communism denies this reality and functions much less effectively. It does function but its a sub-par system that cannot sustain itself in conflict with free will based governments.

>>527709858
A 20% roi is considered extremely high across sectors. Nobody is exploiting you by giving you a job.
>If I own the means of production with other workers
You can do that right now. Nothing is stopping you except your own incompetence. One issue with it is that when people do that the company either turns into a mini communist dictatorship with dissent violently stamped out like in the Spanish examples or they slowly dissolve due to conflicting interests like the Scandinavian examples.

If you're in a country with minimum wage you're being exploited by the state raising the price of everything and regulating away small jobs like tending a farm for 2 hours a day in exchange for food and room. It imposes a minimum level of productivity.

You're an idiot and Marx was an idiot.

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>>527703627
Communism is bad because it forces you into the labor market, fuck that I am not a slave. I am free to be homeless here in America and I will never give that freedom away to some evil (((corporation))) run by the (((state))).

>>527703627
That "free" shit has to come from somewhere, and we don't live in a post-scarcity society.

>>527710333
Why bother? I simply picked a round number as an example.

>>527710208
It's not a simple matter. I don't know if it's possible to have communism where you can print a book by yourself and not become wealthy at the expense of others. They seem to force the idea that you have to contribute society and shouldn't be allowed to build yourself a mansion and avoid paying taxes. I wouldn't like anyone to tell me I can't own things either. Communism is enforced by atheists and j*ws so those countries are godless and oppressive.

A rice worker probably doesn't feel proud to see fed soldiers parading around nuclear missiles while they starve. I think it's probably impossible to separate the different ideas that make up communism, they all seem to require non-religious populations and it's heavily mixed with propaganda. I've been to Vietnam and it was a shithole, even though I never even interacted with any military or government officials. The guy that wanted to brush my sandal with a toothbrush for some money didn't see much wealth desu.

I've seen co-operatives that seem to work, sharing the building, the company, the workload and the profits. And no one got shot or arrested. This is probably the closest you can get to 'communism' that is practical and not tyrannical. It's also probably why I kept seeing "real communism has never been tried" online.

>>527710968
>yeah I can use tech to increase productivity, outcompete everyone else and be the richest man on the planet
>I just don't wanna even though I'm only motivated by profit
Completely braindead.
The arguments commies make about equality and the 1% applies globally, especially since nationalism became a taboo. You are the 1% and you are already paying for the dumbest niggers alive to live in luxury. The only way for you to benefit from technological progress is through anti-globalist and strict anti-fraud policies.
Where do you think the money that lifted the third world out of poverty since the fall of the Soviets came from?
Yes, "capital" wants open borders too but you're the retards giving them ideological, supposedly "moral" excuses to exploit you on a silver platter.

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>>527711205
Getting paid in shares is sharing the profit and that's common when the employees are competent and actually producing a lot more value than they're paid. An entry level grunt in a co-op will not be allowed to influence policy, there's no equality.

>>527711586
Price-gouging is not a real problem. The real problem is the braindead commie faggots celebrating globalism and the biggest scammers and subversives on the planet just because those scammers call themselves something apparently benign like "anti-fascists" or "AID".
There's already enough anti-globalist and anti-fraud sentiment among the economically "right", the powerbase of "capital". You are the fucking retards standing in the way.

>>527703627
The issue is more the actual complexity of social issues meshed with functional schemes being horrendous. It's plainly obvious that communism is better but telling people what or how to agree about etc so they have enough communal spirit to show up for the shifts without vague threatening indoctrination behaviors and violence that disrupts inevitably mil coc is the floor for order to implement this obviously advantageous patch. I could do it now with probably lengthy ground breaking q&a sessions. But my actual desire to do so is because of the survival long term of the species. Existentialism is close to the height of this floor where people get the actual needed logic for social cooling sufficient to make the transition without collapse from revolutionary dissent. If it isn't crystally clear then the transition is impossible anyway. No civil war must be one req.

The thing is if the argument is that effective and the purpose mainly is actual special survival then guess what? It's the global poker table rake after the single greatest all in on dueces imaginable.

I'm sure you knew all that.

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>>527711782
>Price-gouging is not a real problem.

>>527703627
Basic human nature is such that you care about yourself and your family. Communism says you should slave and toil for people you don’t know in hopes they’ll do the same for you.

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>>527704202
Based comrade

Down, down with White erasure!

Up, up with our future!

Down, down with White erasure!

Up, up with our future!

Down, down with White erasure!

Up, up with our future!

Down, down with White erasure!

Up, up with our future!

>>527712904
You will not slave. You will productively toil. No one in a global world is your neighbor and also no one in a global world is not your neighbor. But actually the problem is just that if you haven't checked the birthrate and youth unemployment lately or projected it out a few idk centuries...

I don't like the government being my mom. That is inherent in communism. Too much government and business directly intertwined by design. Super dumb.

>>527712946
K but see communism if done specifically anti woke would not only help fucking every goddamn one but it would also be based on telling just about everyone that they all about don't even seem to want to live.

Explaining that. Cosmopolitanism is a death by a trillion different considerations or a few major miscalculations. The only really stable scenario is a post capitalist holding pattern at least. As far as people discussing social issues the problem is finding slack and tolerance for integrating diverse and large new populations who are often wayyyyy behind everyone else is like think trying to use a mountain to fill that crack in the ocean floor or etc unless you actually create new slack and promise everyone that the more you help them the more you are inevitably genociding them long term anyway so they should just deal.

And also sure. I would recommend white ethnogroups just so I don't have to break more random kiddos hearts minds and reproductive organs to keep all this humming on the random.

>>527712941
All of your jobs are make work and you won't invest in other countries. Whatever you do to fix those issues will only for pedantry not look communist. Fascism is for global rule and governance.
Something that literally is iron by nature.

I could pull off both pretty handily.

>>527703627
liberals do really think communism is just free shit don't they?

>>527703627
On a small scale, say 1000 people or less, communism would probably work . But the key is that everyone has to want it and be able to abandon the project if they feel like it. Under those conditions you could probably have it work.

>>527714552
Yeah it's actually jobs with fair demands and fair compensations along with in history a lot of fuck you and indoctrination which we don't need anymore.

About half idk the sectors of the economy would be capitalist still but that would be globally managed.

>>527703627
You're right.
Communism is great.

>>527703627
YOU don't get the free shit. That's for the people in charge.

>>527714872
Only with a capital C orrect right. Very simple thing. No need for a whole brick to read.

>>527714710
the whole no private property is what doesn't do it for me

>>527703627
>meme flag
>Why is X bad?

Kys brown faggot.

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>>527703627
The Epsteain files proves we don't live in capitalism, it's one global oligarchy and you4 not invited.

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>>527707836
>Isn't that already happening under capitalism?
What makes you think we live under capitalism?

>>527704287
>No I won't. We'll make the nazis do that work.
But everyone that disagrees with you is a nazi right?
So everyone else must work or die

>>527715199
maybe if you spent more time on economic issues instead of pushing tranny surgeries for children and replacement migration people would take you more seriously.

>>527715150
Population ain't going up. Is guaranteed super affordable rent not basically the best a mortal whose children will not likely want to live in multigenerational housing even ... I'm a little tired rn but great q

>>527703627

Then move to Cuba or North Korea and get free shit you fucking retard. Nobody is going to stop you.

The commies are the ones arresting you if you try to leave. That tells you all you need to know about their system.

>it's not real capitalism
>it's never real capitalism
21 year olds with 0 capital and zero future besides serfdom really need you to buy into capitalism. Otherwise the commies are right and their ideologies defending capitalism fall apart.

>>527715545
Good job. Please try not to be insulting though.

>>527703627
>Why wouldn't I want to get free shit exactly?
because capitalist media told you its bad, and besides, they want free shit. If you get it then they dont.

>>527715479
>>527715545
>>527715695
way too many flaggots ITT

>>527715849
Besides me yeah. I actually know how to use it. Like in the vidya.

>>527703766
>Somalians frauding $9B in welfare
Source.

Zionism got maybe a pinky toe on me. Is about the present score.

It sounds like a suggestion or a theory but in all seriousness I'm spelling as your survival bunkers against my philosophical and logistics or practical recurring threats to compress everything with or without just about any of you rounding errors.

>>527703781
I'm already poor though

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>>527715370
When you type, does it make sense to you?

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>>527703627
>free shit

The only one who gets free shit is the authoritarian government which now owns everything that the people used to own while pretending they still own it

Communism is the biggest jewish scam in history

Look at China, they like to pretend muh home ownership but the PRC owns those homes and can take them back anytime they wish.

If the human master cheese is the size of like idk a praying mantis then the fully finished actual real combat survival against the hostile universe model is about that but squared tall.

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>>527716536
>american talking about the chinese housing market
lol
lmao
I wonder which message will resonate with gen z.

Hi

Yes, there are a few completed, habitable buildings that are 2,048 feet (roughly 624 meters) or taller. As of early 2026, the Burj Khalifa in Dubai (2,717 ft), Merdeka 118 in Kuala Lumpur (2,227 ft), and the Shanghai Tower in China (2,073 ft) all exceed this height.
Burj Khalifa, Dubai (2,717 feet / 828 meters): The world's tallest building, completed in 2010.
Merdeka 118, Kuala Lumpur (2,227 feet / 679 meters): Completed in 2023, this is the second-tallest building in the world.
Shanghai Tower, Shanghai (2,073 feet / 632 meters): Completed in 2015, the third-tallest building.
While many TV broadcast masts and towers (like the KRDK-TV mast at 2,060 ft) are over 2,000 feet, these are not considered buildings.

>>527716536
You get half the paid shifts a week until you pass a logic course for wasting people's limited cranial capacities on bs.

>>527703627
It's a tribal concept forced onto a global populace, and make no mistake it is a globalist ideology, subverting biological imperative in an attempt to force you to care for your tribal enemies. It is an abomination and completely anathema to millions of years of human development. I have no interest in making sure the lazy fag down the street gets a free ride, why would I care for the same lazy fag on the other side of town? County? State? Country? Hemisphere? Race? I'm just not gonna support useless eaters or the other races. I know, I know, the thing is I'm just not gonna do it.

>>527717216
So how about if it's also good for the children and families though?

>>527703627
you presuming that free shit will be available for you is the issue

>>527717352
Communism does not and never will promise free shit as the activity of work is as vital to the maintained vigor of a human machine as is the need to keep the health bills down and discourage people from wasting time studying psychology instead of just using fluid natural activity and interaction to be a fucking person. You basement crawling office extra piece of... Anyway. Refuse.

>>527703627
Communism doesn't work without in-group preferences. Sadly all of the in-group policies has been stripped from communism everywhere in the world, (((by the usual suspects)))

>>527717495
>types all that
>didn't bother to read good

>>527703627
Because resources aren't infinite, you FUCKING RETARDED NIGGER FAGGOT.

>>527717753
I was just having some fun bro.

I had to at least make a scaffolding for maybe 3 40 year country or continent wide development plans and talk about how we might money completely differently after I think I killed Europe at some point.

Probably a 40 hour brief for mensa and you knew it in 3rd grade kids.

>>527717820
taking after you're mom

>>527718158
.

Hmmm. Nothing else to do here. In USA I mean.

The person that could save us would kill us all off. And then things.

Mmm. Nah. Can the pseudolosophy talk. What could be normal?

I need to go take some drugs.

>>527719532
You need to go back to r/retards

>>527703627
Because class consciousness distracts from the important things in society like obsessing about tranners or being afraid of people that don’t look like you. Or the holy GDP. Everyone knows that the elites are the best and brightest because they have money and people with money certainly are not evil scumbags that rape kids. Most importantly tho leftists are anti Israel and that is the real sinister issue. Not petty class politics. Now have you ever considered it’s time to own the libs?

>>527703627
Because the 4th generation farm owner knows better how to grow their crops than a central government middle manager with a PhD in marxist ideology.
Same farmer can hedge their harvest appropriately on the open market in case of a poor harvest season due to weather/climate conditions.
Same farmer will be absolutely shunned and actively undermined (some times at gunpoint) by the central government due to their private property (which is required to keep producing) and their self-reliance from said central government.
Literally just read any book on holodomer or the great leap forward.

>>527717818

Seriously it's hilarious how these communist dipshits thing we live in paradise where everything just magically appears. Like under communism everyone will be living in a mansion eating steak and lobster every day.

>>527723310
Yup. That's what we all think.

Because stealing is evil.
You will defend it until The Party decides that your time would be better spent mining for uranium for the good of society.

>>527704822
Than what is free?

>>527725371
We should minimize theft through de-commodification, social ownership, and democratized workplaces. I agree, anon.

>>527703627
Not wanting to support the poor is broke ass behavior. Amerilards will call me an Europoor then whine 1$ of their taxes went to cure a niglet's cancer... they're such fucking dysgenitc pieces of crap. Must be stolen foreskin syndrome or some shit.
And I beg you to understand this is not bait, your hyperfixation with paying for everything is autistic as shit dear Amerilards.

You can do none of those things with your time. The Party will decide how your time is spent and it will be spent breaking your back in the mines.
You will NEVER be allowed a 15 hour work week because that will allow productivity to drop and that would be bad for The Party's economic plans, so you will be forced to work 60 hour weeks to keep up with demands.

>>527725615
When the worker gets told they need to do some unpaid overtime because it's company culture or they'll be let go with no social safety net?
Oh yeah, that's freedom. We love it.
The shit mfs with ZERO capital say.

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>>527703627
As a NEET collecting neetbux I already have free shit for myself... why would I want free shit for normie wagecattle? They exist to slave for the benefit of people like me. I don't want to change that

Off to bed but remember.
It was socialists, trades unions, and organized labor fighting to the bloody death against private capital hiring death squads that even got you the 40 day week.
Capitalists were saying no alternative existed to sending kids down chimneys until they croaked until workers organized.
If you're so scared of a mythical party that you defend capitalism, you're just a pussy. You're unironic goycattle.

>>527725568
Reee but they're poor for reasons they should work!
Wish I could mug yall so you have such a reason to be too.
Thankfully I'm doing well so I'll live without it.

>>527725908
40 hour week*

>>527725568
Lol, keep kvetching big trotter.

>>527726083
Mf, being evil is your problem, not mine.

It's not but thanks for making this thread, always hilarious to see just how stupid this board really is with all the replies here

>>527703627
>Why is communism bad in theory?
Greed is inherent to human nature. Governments are made up of humans. Those humans are just as capable of greedy, selfish desires as you are. Tens of millions of innocent deaths later and you retards still don't get it. Communism is good on paper. Pure evil in practice.

>>527703627
Because you run out of stuff to steal and everyone starves.

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>>527703627
>Why is communism bad in theory?
Because it subverts the empathy that was reserved for the own tribe to applied to foreign tribes/races.
This is why jews love injecting themselves into high empathy high trust White societies and flood it with niggers

then why do people work the world would not funtionate that way and this fuckers know it but how it is a easy way to get votes out of some people they try their luck

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>>527703627
>Why is communism bad in theory?
FUCK COMMIES THAT'S WHY
(And because Bolshevism was Jewish from the start resulting in the deaths of millions of upstanding White Christians you saucy undereducated faggot)

>>527703627
Both sides pray for their downfall. Capitalism and communism. Then sleep with each other in secret.

>>527703627
Communism is not bad in theory. It is what a utopia would look like because it is based off what New Jerusalem will look like during the second coming of Jesus Christ.
But, it fails because it is missing the key ingredient to make it work. Jesus Christ.

>>527703627
> why is being a thief bad in theory
Cause after a while there's nobody left to steal from and everybody dies.

>>527706306
Globalism destroyed western society. We shouldn't be having a conversation period. We will never and should never have crossed paths. But here we are talking about capitalism and communism while half way across the planet. The only thing that needs to spread globally is Christianity. Trade commerce labor etc should have never been split and shared between different nations.

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>>527703766
sybau

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>>527704294
thanks cia bot...WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE. COMMUNISM IS THE ANSWER TO FASCISM

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>>527731999
>worships free market
>worships capitalism
>brainless turd who doesn't understand how supply chains work

capitalism cannot exist without globalism turd . thats a closed economy. state "capitalism" like ussr was

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>>527710646
speaking of retards. thats you
>>527710934
>its easy being rich just be rich bro
>just take a 5 million loan bro
>just buy 50 houses and rent em bro
>just buy 1000 shares of amzn bro

the system benefits the rich. there is no social mobility unless you're an escort or troph wife husband

>>527703627
if you have free shit, you won't have to slave away for pedophile elites. We'd even redistribute the stuff of the pedophile elites, and that's just not allowed.

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>>527733844
>>527733988

nice DD confirmed
/thread

COMMUNISM WINS AGAIN. Liberals (DEMOCRATS) enabled this. If you love life and hate fascism become communist. Organize.

>>527703627
Because you don't get free shit in theory. Communism in Theory is a stateless classless society in which the means of production are collectively owned, I.E. every worker at a factory is an equal shareholder of the factory. You still work at the factory, just in theory you no longer need currency.

>>527703627
That's not what communism is about you retarded amerimutt

>>527703627
>Why is communism bad in theory?
everybody gets lazy because achievement is neutered. and there's still fat retarded psychopaths at the top fucking your children.

>>527703627
Because communism is no longer compatible in the industrial age. Sure, the idea on paper sounds good but think about it. Before factories and cities existed people would have a set role, they’d toil in the fields, be a carpenter, take care of children and that’s it. It was like that not just to ensure your survival but the village as a whole. Working as a unit was important so everyone could get food in winter. When factories became the norm you didn’t need to depend on everyone for survival, it came from a paycheck

>>527703627
>I want to get free shit
lardy murrifat, nothing is free, low iq nigger

>>527709858
Anon, Marx is an actual heavy reading with a comprehensive study on the past. You really can't expect anyone to read him specially retarded Americans who unironically think Marx was a gay-tranny-globohomo-kike-everythingforfree-childmurderer-freeloader leftist. Americans and westerners in general are goycattle.

>>527703627
>Why is communism bad in theory?
Because it removes incentives for hard work. Those who are naturally better at things quickly see that slackers and leeches get the same rewards for less work, so they stop trying. Soon everyone has less.

>>527716536
The US government can do that too btw. If you don’t pay property taxes they can put a lean on your house and kick you out

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>>527703627
Because you dont get any free shit in communism, you get slavery on a country wide scale, mass slaughter and famine

>>527703627
The only communists I've seen that weren't effeminate sounding midwits like you were jews or grifters.

>>527715545
Don't worry I've been told that Haiti and the African countries are communists countries when I tell them about how capitalism doesn't work. In the end, people are too stupid to understand what capitalism and communism are in the Marxist sense because nobody has read Marx.

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>>527734415
true, but your madre is close enough to free that we can all get a ride for less than a bus fare

>>527703811
>unless you're rich

>>527704287
cringe and gay kys

>>527703627
There's multiple levels of problems, from the very subjective foundational beliefs of the ideology to the very practical enforcement of it.
It's an ideology based on the fact that the tallest trees have to be chopped down so the smaller trees cannibalize them.
It's an ideology that neglects that the contradictions of capitalism are simply contradictions of society, and all capitalism does is find a compromise to the inherent contradictions of human life, wants and needs.
It's an ideology that forsook the observations of the quasi-messianic founder when he changed his opinion with new information.

Most damningly, it neglects the true problems of society. Even the communist system will suffer from horrendous inequality when the most basic societal oversight is neglected. The problem is that no man can prove his worth in society unless they are given opportunity. But what opportunity can a man be given if they have no proof of their worth?
It's a problem of status, not a problem of naive materialism. We need to give people more opportunities to prove themselves. Communism doesn't solve this problem.

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>>527703627
Dialectical materialism was retroactive refuted by great man theory.

>>527734110
so all the free shit they're giving to rich land owners and CEO's?

>>527734466
Also this. It’s the biggest reason why it fails. Imagine you share a home with your siblings or friends, but down the line one person decides they aren’t going to pay utilities anymore or contribute to fixing issues. You would wanna get the fuck out of that situation

>>527734128
proof?

Reminder: it was a Communist state (The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) that put the first human into space.


You cannot refute this btw.

>>527703627
Its slavery in theory and genocide in execution. Im sure it will work great next time though.

>>527703627
Communism always fails because there’s only one of you, and only some free shit, but there are infinity shitskins demanding a cut.

>>527703627
Any system inevitably leads to Pareto distributions and concentration of power and resources, it's human nature / evolutionary psychology and biology.

Even if distribution of wealth happened, humans would still be profoundly unhappy. Assuming the communist fairytales worked (which they don't, the perfect theory always leads to the same outcome, the human outcome, just like capitalism) the people born in that system would take resources for granted, just like kids take tablets for granted now. It would be normal, and then, their whole pathos would circle around the economy of attention instead. Hierarchies of attention, love, charisma, attractiveness, gifts, influence, and so on. We already see this in the streamers circles. If you take the monetary element away from the world of streamers, attention and views are still unequally distributed, because people are not equal, and some gather more attention than others. Envy is commonplace, both in streamers and their parasocial viewers. And so on with celebrities etc
Unequality is inbuilt and unavoidable, and with desire comes envy and suffering.

>>527703627
Communism as it actually existed was utterly insane. I support some communist ideas, but the actual full package was just deranged. Like, the complete ban on small business is just silly. It was overly oppressive in ways that were utterly unnecessary.

I propose a more targeted form of communism. Land-only communism. Land will be equally shared between all citizens, but besides land, there would be no other restrictions, so private business would be unrestricted, as long as you can fit it into your fairly allotted portion of land.

>>527737044
What you say sounds similar to a brand of libertarianism, georgism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

tl;dr: natural resources and land is under responsability of the whole local population, as it was a given that was there out of nature before humans started randomly claiming shit and not a product of work.
So usage of such natural resources comes with a rent tax, destined to the local population, and an obligation to care and renew those resources for the future. Everything else is full libertarian.

>>527735625
exactly as intended, read the protocols of the learned elders

>>527737366
Henry George is best known for popularizing the argument that government should be funded by a tax on land rent rather than taxes on labor. He concluded that many societal problems, such as poverty, inequality, and economic booms and busts, can be attributed to private ownership of the necessary resource: land rent. Appropriation of land rent for private use contributes to persistent poverty in spite of technological progress, and causes economies to tend toward boom-and-bust cycles. According to George, people justly own what they create, but natural opportunities and land belong equally to all.[7]

The tax upon land values is, therefore, the most just and equal of all taxes. It falls only upon those who receive from society a peculiar and valuable benefit, and upon them in proportion to the benefit they receive. It is the taking by the community, for the use of the community, of that value which is the creation of the community. It is the application of the common property to common uses. When all rent is taken by taxation for the needs of the community, then will the equality ordained by Nature be attained. No citizen will have an advantage over any other citizen save as is given by his industry, skill, and intelligence; and each will obtain what he fairly earns. Then, but not till then, will labor get its full reward, and capital its natural return.

>>527703627
>get free shit
Keyword being shit

>>527703627
>in theory
Yeah, here's your problem right there.

>>527706306
As opposed to the system that makes you live like niggers and pajeets so that your labor is cheap.

>>527703627
It is better than few rich men.

>>527704294
Get the tongue in there kike inside your dad's asshole. Get it.

>>527703627
It works when you have a homogeneous population, in any other scenario you will develop tribalism which will manifest in layered bureaucracies built to mask the tribalism. Basically, niggers will clog the system by only helping their nigger friends, shitskins for their shitskin friends, etc etc.

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>>527703627
When you say something retarded, no argument is needed.

>>527703627
It's a scam ideology invented by literal black magic satanists / jews / the illuminati / freemasons. It's not "based" on anything. It's fundamentally flawed because it thinks a utopia is possible without God.
If you talk to a communist, you'll know it because they have volumes and volumes you have to read to understand it. It's like Scientology, a ripoff. They have their own phrases like a cult.

>>527703627
Communism is about creating a rival banking system to take out the English

>>527740282
>it thinks
"Communism" doesn't actually think that, not those who made it up. It's intended to deceive people into believing that.
It's really about fitting in with the rebels, having some kind of identity.

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>>527703627
>Why is communism bad in theory? Why wouldn't I want to get free shit exactly?

Because there's no such thing as a free lunch. Your "free shit" will have to be paid for. By whom? People who already have money. Since anyone in any country could willingly and freely gift all their earthly possessions to the state in which they reside, yet nobody does, it stands to reason that the money to pay for free shit must be taken by force from the haves in order to be redistributed to the have-nots. This means in the initial stages of communism, the haves will gradually realize that all their worldly possessions are about to be stolen so they will try to flee with as much wealth as they can carry. Those who fail to flee will be robbed blind and live as have-nots who also have to be given free shit. Once all that wealth has been redistributed, there will be no more rich people to rob, at which point the state will have to find a new means of generating the money to pay for free shit. However, everyone will know that the reward for success is the theft of the fruits of his labor, whilst the punishment for failure is free shit, so nobody will have any incentive to work hard unless the state forces them to at bayonet-point. This can be done to keep productivity near acceptable levels, but will not generate tax revenue.

So this welfare state will have three options: fund free shit with some sort of natural resource they happen to have tons of (such as oil or minerals), or if they don't have any extremely valuable exports they can just print money to pay for free shit, or they can try to imperialistically conquer neighbors to steal their wealth to fund free shit, or they can reduce the amount of free shit they provide. You may recognize everything I just said as what has happened literally every single time in history that any form of communism has ever been implemented anywhere

>>527703627
there's a few communist countries in the world, and i wouldn't want to live in any of them.

>>527703627
We get taxed to hell anyway
Why do I also have to pay ridiculous healthcare costs

What free shit? It's all coming from someone else's sweat and toil. You will be expected to do the same yourself.

>>527703627
There is no free shit in communism you fucking retard. Those who do not work shall not eat - this is part of cimmie manifesto.

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>>527707574
>>China under communism
>>second biggest economy while still maintaining its industry, rapidly accelerating quality of life, educated people

That's not actually true at all, China under communism slaughtered millions during Mao's tenure, then when he died the party bosses decided to switch to state capitalism because Maoism was such an awful hellish nightmare that even communist apparatchiks didn't like it. State Capitalism, combined with a western ruling class which wanted China to rise and did everything they could to facilitate that, led to the Chinese economic "miracle", which has always been overstated because the Chinese state wants to look good and pro-chinese western elites also want to make China look good, hence everything from their GDP to their PISA test scores to their population statistics are inflated. China is a mirage but reality is catching up to them and the reality is that the disastrous communist One Child policy has killed the Han race, and only recently has the headless chicken running around started to noticably slow. The actual Chinese population is 400-800 million thanks to rampant falsification of statistics at the local government level, which means the Chinese didn't even know how bad their demographics were until recently, and this much smaller population has an average age of 50 with one of the lowest birth rates in the world. Their economy is entirely dependent on globalism, i.e. the ability to conduct maritime trade without fear of piracy or privateering. This freedom of movement on the seas is guaranteed solely by America, China's greatest enemy and rival. They are utterly dependent on imports for energy and industrial inputs, and they are utterly dependent on industrial exports to maintain social stability. Those imports are dependent on the US navy for protection, and those exports are dependent on the US consumer to buy them. So, economically and geopolitically, the Chinese exist only at the whim of their enemy.

I'll have a communist society IF there were no shitskins, jews, faggots, or trannies. Only straight white men looking out for eachother and their families.

>>527703815
>Gibs to billionaire pedophile or broke boy /pol/ pedophile
Well the first one creates jobs, so he's got the better claim.

>>527705853
Communism is just late stage Judaism.

Give to your Jewish overlord so they can take even more than the usury Jewish banks. You have to ask yourself why did the juden flee after the collapse of the ussr?

>>527703627
You answered your own question and you don't even know it. Communism fails to recognize the wretchedness of human nature, where they will get things for free without giving anything back. A functioning society needs everyone able doing things, and "work or you'll starve" is unfortunately the best motivator for such wretched creatures. For you to get free shit, someone else would have spent labour and time to provide it for you. If society gets to the point where it is a current of things going from people that do things for people that don't do shit nor pay for it, the people doing things will join the ranks of people that don't do shit more and more until there's not enough people doing things to have a society, and you'll get quite literally biblical, the four horsemen of the apocalypse comes, these being hunger, plage, war and death. People will go hungry and sick and there's nothing else to be done but fighting and dying for things that aren't even there anymore. You can see that happening in real time in many failing nations, not "because of communism", but because of the aforementioned wretchedness of human nature.
tl;dr: communism fail to recognize people are wretched assholes that when unfettered by notions like "work or you'll starve" they'll do nothing until shit gets literally apocalyptical, vide every failing nation today

>>527703627
Communism definition
all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Socialism definition
the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

In reality
Communism
all property is jewish owned and each person works and is paid according to what their jewish overlords believe is fair for their goy labor.

Socialism
the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the jewish community as a whole.

Lol star of David captcha

>>527703627 (OP)
Communism definition
Everything is collectively owned and each person contributes and receives according to their abilities and needs.

Socialism definition
The means of production, distribution, and exchange must be owned and regulated by the community as a whole.

In reality
Communism
Everything is collectively owned and each person contributes and receives according to their abilities and needs.

Socialism
The means of production, distribution, and exchange must be owned and regulated by the community as a whole.

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>>527703627
Because you have to give all your freeshit to me comrade. I need it. From each according to their skill, to each according to their need.

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>>527715545
Based. It was never capitalism.

Not with wars started over oil.
Not with induced famines and poverty in third-world countries, engineered to extract cheap resources.
Not with crushing interest rates or the systematic absence of public healthcare.
Not with sending our children to an island full of oligarchs to perform initiation rituals alongside politicians, deciding who they will support in the next elections.
And if anyone died because of any of this,
then it wasn’t real capitalism that killed them.

>>527741542
>still defending the pedo non the less
lynch yourself.

>>527744773
>first human into space

>>527703627
It's not bad in theory. The problem though is that it's bad in practice, which is really what matters.

>>527703627
I don‘t think it‘s bad, but the human mind can‘t do it. People want to be better than others, people get jelly. The motivation is also kinda gone, why do x when there is no return.
E.g. let‘s talk about games, something that existed since the aeons of times. Back then you did it as fun, you maybe had an idea and shared it with your friends etc. it was fun. So why would you now go on create a packaging, figures etc etc, when you can‘t get anything in return?

>>527744905
Was this before or after the "Sacrifice" of the first one?

>>527744905
How are things going in the USSR these days?

>>527704287
Why shouldn't we just use commie larpers as slaves?

>>527744952
The problem is the elites always find a way

>>527703627
It doesn't work because it's bad, it fails because PEOPLE are bad. You cannot consolidate that amount of power and have people act responsibly and 100 million deaths in the last 100 years alone (that's their own numbers, our numbers push it closer to 200 million) prove that. You cannot get communism to work because people are bad by nature, the Bible explains this perfectly.

>>527745002
>>527745016
>deflection
>no counterargument
Concession accepted.

>>527745217
No counter to my argument either? Sad.

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>>527703627
>Why is communism bad
just read it
>but...
just read it

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>>527743036
>Communism definition
>Everything is collectively owned and each person contributes and receives according to their abilities and needs.

reality

>>527745260

>failed to refute historical facts
>USSR remains the titleholder for sending the first human into space

>>527745447
Proof?

>>527745470
>historical facts
>coming from a Pajeet Jew lover
I rather listen to a Muslim.

>coping
Concession accepted.

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>>527745506
>Proof?

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>>527744634
>>527745002
>>527745260
>>527745514
>I rather listen to a Muslim.

of course you would, abdul

>>527745470
Also title holder of the biggest collapse in the history of communism

>>527703627
>Why is communism bad in theory?
It isn't bad in practice either, China is the richest country in the WORLD and it's communist as they get

>>527746171
Wrong. China is communist in name only. They didn't get rich until they dropped all that Maoist bullshit and fully embraced capitalism.

>>527746059
Yes, that did happen. What does that have to do with putting the first human into space?

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>>527746229
How the tables have turned. You're saying it isn't real communism?

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>>527746171
>China is the richest country in the WORLD and it's communist as they get

This faggot with Spanish flag is 24/7 on /pol/ defending china

>>527745614
Where's the proof?

>>527746229
>state owned energy, communications, banks, mining, real state (you can't OWN a house in China just a right to use for 75 years at most) and literally every major industry
>not communist becuz..... it just ISN'T okay?? it says so in my kike script right here
We should rename it as "copetalism" am I right fellas hahahaha

In capitalist free market iron nails are made as needed
In communist society some guy just says "Make me 20 billion iron nails" and then they just wasted a bunch of iron on nails they don't need

>>527746296
Not anymore it isn't. When China was living under communist ideals, they were impoverished and starving. Then they opened up trade with the West and became capitalist and suddenly they weren't impoverished and starving anymore. China is a glowing example of precisely why communism doesn't work and why capitalism is clearly the superior economic ideology.

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>>527746400
>Where's the proof?

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>>527746552
>They were only communist while they were poor, now that they are winning they aren't communists!
And where exactly is it written that a commie country should be closed on itself or can't trade with the rest of the world?

>>527746249
who gives a fuck? communism didn't do that, researchers and engineers did

>>527703627
>why is it bad to let our wildly corrupt government decide where 85% of our earnings get spent

Yeah, seems fine actually, should totally sign on to that shit.

>>527746675
If you're going to deliberately misrepresent my arguments, then there's no point in continuing this discussion. Stop acting like an insufferable cunt just to avoid admitting you're wrong about something.

>>527703766
9 billion is vastly exagerayed. That is almost how much Donald Trrunp is actually suing the IRS for. He gets to decide if tax payers are going to give it to him. Maybe direct your seething at a real fraudster.

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>>527746675
>where exactly is it written that a commie country should be closed on itself or can't trade with the rest of the world?

this faggot with Brazil falg is 24/7 on /pol/ defending china.

He's yet to make a single post about Brazil

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>>527703627
States are not "the people" nor can they 'represent' 'the people' or a class thereof.
Strong leaders with extensive executive powers is a common mode throughout history but there is really no need for the kayfabe of Marxism and in fact this flavor text comes with many perils when ideologues high on their own farts inflict terrible suffering on their inferiors. The fact that all successful socialist states immediately devolve into oriental despotism (not a bad thing necessarily) tells you everything you need to know. You can put your head int he sand but you cannot hide form history.

>>527746704
Yes, but why did the first attempt take place in the USSR?

>>527703627
Why is the shit free?
>it just is!

>>527703627

Communism is great until you discover people around you who are way better off than you are. Capitalism isn’t perfect but it’s hella better than communism.

Advocating for communism and/or socialism indicates you’re probably just too stupid and hopeless.

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>>527746893
>why did the first attempt take place in the USSR?

>>527746848
Holy fucking cope dude. You should change your bot script, you accused two flags of the same shit.

>>527746784
They aren't against capitalism, but not with the same configuration of the jewsa. They don't let the market dictate the course of their government. They use the market to benefit their population.

>>527703627
>Why is communism bad in theory?
Because it's bad in reality.

The company I work for is employee owned. Why the fuck wouldn't that work for every single company? Why does there need to be some jew that owns the company but doesn't do shit? What role does he play? None. The owning class doesn't work by definition.

>>527703627
>in theory
In theory, like many other things, it seems wonderful. Just fucking share and don't be a dipshit.
The way that fails should be obvious.
Communism only looks attractive to people who have experienced zero real world experiences with Human nature.

>>527703627
I'll give you a real answer because why not. On paper it seems OK, but much like anarchy, human nature makes it shaky. Also incorporating it with party based politics will fail 100% of the time because 1 party systems are always corrupt 100% of the time. Socialism on a policy level is fine and works in many countries, communism on a party level is always authoritarian.

>>527703781
That's just capitalism as well. Are you better off than any of your politicians financially?

Communism is like living with your 7 best friends all as roommates and sharing a kitchen and living room and splitting all of the bills evenly.

Sounds like a dream, right? No. It's a nightmare.

>>527703627
Because it doesn't work retard. Your only historic example of a successful "Communist" country is a capitalist dictatorship, i.e., Fascism in China.

>>527703627
Communism with the same racial bros sounds nice. More like national socialist tribalism lol. I'm gonna inherit land in the croatian countryside the size of 8 football fields where my great grandparents and grandma lived once as farmers. Maybe I'll make a thread about it and invite based /pol/lack /b/ros over.

>le Marx is le jewish and communism is a jewish ideology!
If /pol/ would read the Jewish Question of Karl Marx you would call him based. Anything /pol/ says is less scathing that his analysis on the jews.

>>527703627
Top down determinations of what everyone needs doesn’t work

>in theory
It's bad IN PRACTICE as well, retard. If you ever actually got paid for a useful skill you possess, you wouldn't want to share your money with ungrateful lazy niggers either.

>>527712787
It isn't. Give an example, and maybe save us some time by reading the definition first. Fucking retard.