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>lasts up to 1000 years
>if your house floods they survive, meanwhile LTO tapes, SSDs, HDDs and other electronic storage will perish

the jews fear the m-disc blu-rays
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Ideal for archiving amateur blacked porn before jews delete it from the internet.
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>>527717569
I burn HD movies to DVD-R all the time. It's funny because my Blu-ray player can read MP4 and many MKV torrents and those fit on DVDs.
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Explain how they know it lasts 1000 years.
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>>527717807
It's the digital equivalent of a stone tablet
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I got a cheap external hard drive 20 years ago and it still works now
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>>527717763
disgusting hindoo shitrat
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Make a 1tb disc then we'll talk
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>>527717763
I especially like the blacked porn where teeny tiny white girls take massive black cocks in their anuses. Cocks so big you think the girl will be injured by it. She'll never poop the same way again.
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>>527717911
What could even read it? Don't put all your sperm in one cum rag, anon
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>>527717940
pathetic rapejeet fantasies
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>>527717569
>The year is 3026
>Archaeologists excavate OP's house after he died when his whole suburb was consumed by in a flood in 2026
>They find his data hoard
>All discs in pristine condition
>But there aren't any working Bluray players to read them (the last one broke in 2040)
>None of the modern software can read the discs (stopped being supported in 2028)
>Nobody even speaks English any more to understand what's on it
>It was all meaningless drivel from Steam and Netflix to begin with
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>>527717940
I personally find anal disgusting
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>>527717874
Run it a daily for a few years and it will be shot. That's why it says functional.
>>527717911
Just get multiple discs
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>>527717807
Obviously they made one, aged it one year, and 1/1000th of it was unreadable. Therefore the entire thing will last 1000 years.
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>>527717569
How do they know it'll last 1000 years?
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>>527717904
>>527718125
Go to blacktowhite.net and browse through verifications. You will find thousands of white people into it too.

There's nothing wrong with it as long as everything is consensual.
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>>527718189
If it fails after 999 years, just sue them. It's only 33 years older than the Bayeux Tapestry, I'm sure they'll still be around.
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>>527717569
>lasts 1000 years
As if anyone could even know that.
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>>527717569
>last 1k years
>hundreds of thousands of citations that they are already starting to break down

I think you mean if you keep it in a climate controlled room under perfect conditions for 1k years it wouldn't break down.
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>>527718166
still an easier job than finding a working LTO drive that needs to be the exact right one or previous or future LTO tapes wont even work, meanwhile one blu-ray drive will read them all
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>>527718255
>dude just end your bloodline for my gay dalit fantasies
shitcolored subhuman
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The branding persists but the actual manufacturing has changed and they just use MABL identical to blu-ray discs for most disks. I don't know how accurate the current info is but a quick search shows only the 4.7gb dvds and the 25 GB BD-R discs still use the original technology. This is just speculation on my part but I suspect that even those might just be backstock and once their gone the real m-disks will be too.
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>>527718366
lol no one is forcing you. Why so insecure?
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>>527717569
in 1000 years they're going to be trying to read them with acacia branches
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>>527718444
you are the color of poop
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>>527718349
so like the fridge or freezer?
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>>527718255
You will never be anything other than a subhuman. I am a higher caste than every brahman ever to exist. hanuman, vishnu, shiva, brahma, indra and ghanesh tongue my balls in submission
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>>527718477
Not really. And even if I was you could compare it to chocolate :)
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>>527717569
nigga a sealed hard drive platter will last a bazillion years compared to this
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>>527718189
What if decay is non linear?
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>>527718544
you are lower than bestiality
indian men are the least desirable on the planet
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>>527717569
no they don't it was a lie they degrade over time
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>>527717569
>usb flash drive
>months to 2-5 years
what? i have a 20 year old usb flash drive that still has data on it that i can read without problems
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>>527718626
I think aboriginals might be lower honestly
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>>527717569
>lasts up to 1000 years
No they don’t. Max life with proper storage for almost all disc based media is 80-150 with Blu-ray being fairly high, but the issue is the material used to make them begins to degrade causing read issues. And this is with proper, autistic, ideal storage conditions which your dusty ass basement or attic won’t have.
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>>527718513
Yes white people are the most desirable
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>>527718725
The old ones were better. Modern ones use more bits per cell, meaning more different charge levels it has to distinguish between, to fit more data in less space for less money.
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But will the tech to play it be around 1000 years from now?
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>>527717763
>Ideal for archiving amateur blacked porn before jews delete it from the internet.
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>>527718725
Lossy data is magical thing fren.
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>>527718249
It says so right here, in the Bible.
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>>527717569
I didn't even know these things existed. Get 1 tb discs and that shit would be fire.
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>>527718169
Fag
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>>527717807
it's ceramic
ceramic shit survived for 10000+ years so it's pretty optimistic to suppose it will survive for 100 in polycarbon
>>527717569
i haev one of those BD MDISC writin drives, got it with the computer, but disconnected it because every time I booted up it made sounds worthy of Ridley Scott lol
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>>527718743
aboriginals don't eat cow shit and ruin countries
india national IQ is below 70
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>>527717569
Personally, for books and neat .pdf I print them at work in our printer that has a laminate option. Convinced them to buy it years ago due to manufacturing environment and the gigantic time waste it was to laminate bullshit daily. Start it off during a lunch break. Job 1 work stuff, job 2 my book, job 3 work stuff. In case anyone picks it up before I can grab it since it can take 20+ minutes.
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>>527718249
Maths and they let jeet on staff bring them home and figure every minute at Samir’s house is equivalent to a year’s worth of abuse if stored properly.
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>>527717569
>>527718805
M-Discs replace the organic ink layer with an inorganic one similar to stone. This guy tested one outdoors for 1 year and it worked after. Archive because original site is down.
https://archive.is/xQ6sj
https://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artsep16/mol-mdisc-review.html

There is some controversey, because a company purchased the rights to M-Disc branding, then changed the construction. I've heard counter claims that most blu rays use inorganic data layers now anyways, and that M-discs are still certified to the old standards.
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>>527717569
>>527717807
>>527717857
M-Discs are not being made anymore. It's fifty fifty whether or not you'll get a legitimate (lithographic) M-Disc from Verbatim or any other vendor. The legitimate M-Discs are lithographic (they have a ceramic layer that gets ablated away) and would last indefinitely under normal conditions, while the other discs use a layer that oxidizes over time and doesn't last when outside of a perfect vacuum.
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>>527718349
meanwhile in reality

http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/indexmag.html?http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artsep16/mol-mdisc-review.html
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i mean 1000
heck a CD-R that's not chinaslop would probably survive 100 and it's not the polycarbon that degrades but the organic slop
a factory stamped CD would probably survive 1000 years by itself (it's got aluminum)
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>>527718975
shitpost somewhere else, we have literal film tape that has lasted longer than the average blue ray.
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>>527717763
that makes no sense, jews are the ones creating the blacked porn
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haven't lived until you've watched Blu-ray advertising on DVD 720p
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>>527719106
what does blue ray have to do with mdisc, beside storage capacity? nothing
go stir shit up, vpn UKnigger
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>>527719193
... or DVD advertising on D-VHS
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>>527719113
Jews create the professional blacked porn. The amateur stuff is non-jewish
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>>527717800
>I burn HD movies to DVD-R
Why -R and not +R?

Also, OP's picrel

I still have a flash drive given to me as a kid 20 years ago. Still works great.

Are newer flash drives purposely made like shit, or is table just an advertising lie?
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>>527719106
Meanwhile my old CD-R and DVD+R discs go on working.
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>>527717940
>jeet doesn’t know the whores already shit through a bag
Hey That’s exciting news for you, right?
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>>527717569
its just, man , backup 24TB on that shit. and see how much it costs and how long it takes. Then realise 3-2-1 works fine. Then there's them selling "fake" M-DISC that is really just regular bluray. You keep seeing shit like chink/jap scientists made DVDs that store 8 gorillion gigaquads or how they can put movies on a drop of DNA but it never materialises.
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>>527719106
he fell for the canadian shitpost test debunked by other tests, didnt stop linus shit tips from taking it at face value, and clippytards like yourself repeating it
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My car had a 5 tray for cd hinders to play. Imagine that as a raid array
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>>527719073
Post proof or shill
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>>527719531
because his post is a retarded shitpost

bluray is actually the longest lasting optical storage because of inorganic dye, https://danielrosehill.medium.com/on-the-great-m-disc-vs-regular-blu-ray-debate-4318eaf37ee5
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>>527719603
>24TB
fuckini bot
anything that can't be bought or sold could fit in a couple of TB at most, a few 1TB microsd's you could sew in your boot
999999 out of a million would shoot you the second you say you have the entire seinfeld series in 4k upscale (which is the kind of person you are)
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>>527717569
100GB?
lol
make them 8TB and we'll talk
right now, I'm copying 3.5TB on a new HTPC/server (I'm frugal in data volume, I guess: pays off to be a bad audience), and sata to sata (from a backup HDD to installed HDD; 8TB SSD are too expensive), it's gonna take me more than 12h (including md5 sum checking)
my three backup HDDs plus the live one are a bugger enough to sync as it is
and you want to me to attend and manipulate about 40 of these things, one by one, and to rummage through that pile to keep it all synced?
fucking hell, anon
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>>527717569
And how many TB per hour can you burn? 0.2?
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>>527719603
>them selling "fake" M-DISC
just fuck off back to china or india, i don't even care whichever shithole you crawled out of

if it was that easy you wouldn't need an MDISC drive to write MDISC discs
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>>527717763
>10 rupees have been deposited into your account
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>>527720040
wtf are you blabbing about boy?
ever consider that people make files, their own music, home movies, rips of UHDs not your highly compressed dogshit torrents etc?
>inb4 porn
its not porn
and this isn't even unusual in the data hoarder realm.
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>>527720158
yeah i'm sure your gay faggot lgbt tv series and star trek upscales are worth all those TB
guess what, they will be wiped clean the second somebody reads the filenames
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>>527719603
Why are there so many fucking shills and bots on a thread about dvds n shit?
That's actually incredibly bizarre.
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>>527720283
see >>527720287
given how many want you nuked, worrying about using a hard drive as a buttplug is nigh incomprehensible
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>>527719533
Whiter than you. Disgusting mutt
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>>527720473
Indians are Iranian-Australoid Abo mutts
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why kikes so mad kek
shares in verbatim, wait, is verbatim a joo company?
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>>527720287
I actually only store 4 TV series (Oz, Dead Set, Chernobyl and Striptease [a French/Belgian dogme 95 style show about the weird lives of pypo])
and 133 films (don't know more great ones, sadly)
the rest is mostly great animes and music (but the latter doesn't take much, if you have difficult tastes)
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>>527720595
you are probably the top 0.0001% and even that ain't a compliment
the rest of 99.9999% are storing utter shit and i'm not even talking about business (data/ai/raw storage) shit
if i find a hard disk, 1st thing i do is erase (format & write), fuck that shit and fuck you
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>>527717569
how much for the cakebox? i found mdisc at 100GB but it's $20 apiece
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>>527720807
>the rest of 99.9999% are storing utter shit
true
I'm always baffled when I hear niggerwits say they store thousands of movies, shows and tens of thousands of albums
why would you do that?
you can't like it all, ffs
>data
I also have that, but it's peanuts compared to audio/video media
>if i find a hard disk, 1st thing i do is erase (format & write), fuck that shit and fuck you
hence why multiple backups, well hidden and not even all of them at the same address
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>>527717569
The problem is the player, the lasers eventually burn out or stop making reads. So far, cloud storage has been reliable.
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>>527717569
Only retards with no experience with discs would ever believe this obvious marketing bullshit. Even archival gold discs don’t last longer than 50 years in anything but a climate controlled installation. Wet discs delaminate in months. Moisture and humidity ruin them. The sun ruins them. Hell the MOON probably ruins them too.
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>>527721040
damn frenchman you found me out! of course I won't erase stuff I put effort in finding! maybe I'm a frenchman too, after all hon hon hon hon
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>>527717569
>months to ~2-5 years
I still have flash drives from college over a decade ago with the files readable.
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>>527718249
They compare it to the discs that were made 1000 years ago
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>>527720194
The regular Blu Ray discs that are manufactured now a days all use the same inorganic recording materials as a M-Disc uses however the regular BD-R Discs are not sealed from the elements on the edge/ circumference of the disc, On the other hand The M-Disc recording layer itself is bonded between the polycarbonate layers and some adhesive interlocking to Bond and seal the recording layer inside creating a shell around the Recording layer and a Ti or Titanium Oxide layer is sprayed on the disc to seal it from moisture and elements. Even a regular BD-R, BD-R DL, BD-R XL are all rated to last for 15000 years if stored properly that is the theoretical LE/Life expectancy however factually speaking you could get a life expectancy of at least 25-50 years from regular Blu Ray Discs and at least 50-100 years easily from an M-Disc BD-R /DL/XL 25/50/100GB.
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>>527717807
They don't. I stopped using optical after several discs went bad in the space of just a few years. Switched my anime archive to RAID6.
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>>527721320
Flash needs to be rewritten periodically or it degenerates. We have EEPROMs from the 80s that can’t be read. Only option is to source the original file and flash a new EEPROMS and good luck if it’s a high end piece of kit with little market penetration.
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>>527721273
>t. instagram commenter fucked in the ass in instagram came over to play smart on 4chan and forgot to read the thread
report back after you destroyed an industrial quantity of CD-R's, like me, maybe you can the graduate to DVD's
>archival gold disks
fuck your bitch mother and her "gold coins" too
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>>527717569
>it lasts up to 1000 years, trust us
Ok, didnt know they had hard drives 1000 years ago still trucking today
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>>527721475
Nigger I worked on the original blue light project at IBM when you were still sucking your daddy’s dick. We invented “blue ray” in the nineties.
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>>527721405
bitch nigger you need a different recording technology (drive) to record MDISC, you are coming at me with a wall of text arguing you can eat soup with a fork
guess what, no matter what chatgpt says, you can't eat soup with a fork

and i hope you are not that obnoxious gypsy posting with norge flag either, although you surely seem under 90 points of IQ if you get what i mean
fuckin beggar
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>>527719694
Proof for what? That they don't make them anymore?
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>>527721622
yeah and my father works for nintendo so fuck you
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The kike is super mad lol
his mom probably took away his gaystation or something
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what happened to those crystal cube drives they were talking about that had unreal capacity
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>>527721725
to be fair production doesn't even matter as they can be read by a run-of-the-mill bluray drive and they already have warehouses full of MDISCs enough to sell for the next 100 years
in fact i'd like to date a 16 year old MDISC heiress why not, thanks for asking
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>>527717569
what if I have 100TB, that shit will take forever to put there and store
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>>527719244
>>527719966
Look we get you're mad you were retarded enough to put stuff on cds like a fucking indian on his first day working at big tech, but you'll have to go somewhere else.
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>>527719073
>>527719694
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/yu4j1u/psa_verbatim_no_longer_sells_real_m_discs_now/

PSA: Verbatim no longer sells real M Discs, now puts regular BD-Rs in M Disc packaging

no one talks about this on 4chan, so reddit is the source for all information

is this reddit datahoarder thread now?
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>>527717940
Go home, ugly shitskin, there's no place in the west for you
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>>527718249
it's the same type of disc that jesus recorded his speeches on and those are still readable.
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>>527721897
100TB of what
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>>527721475
>>527721622
The gold in the disk is what gives it the archival quality, but you still wouldn't believe me even if I told the IBM dinosaur his company still services ancient shitboxes at grocery stores that refuse to die despite being made of nigger rigged chips from the 80's.
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>>527717569
Sure bro but what the fuck do you wanna store? I watch a movie I delete it, I finish a game I delete it and except very rare exceptions like Shawshank or Breaking Bad I don't rewatch anything and when I want to I just download it again. There's literally nothing to store. All you retards creating your own archives will just get thrown out without ever being played by some relative, your kid if you're lucky.
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>>527721908
>i'm not an indian you're an indian
newsflash, street shitter, pakistanis are still indians
you get the same nukes in your face and that applies to the uk to
it's bye-bye

if I were you I'd just destroy all electrical infrastructure in your shithole countries and pray to shiva in my free time. that's the maximum your disgusting shitstain existence can suffer if it wants to (not)survive
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>>527718544
No, jeets are the same as shit, and nothing like chocolate.
People like chocolate, nobody likes a jeet.
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>>527722077
Awesome pic, but you're a paki so fuck off kek
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>>527722061
Childhood pictures. PIctures/videos of beloved pet etcetc etc.

Theres more to life and memories to be kept than your gay entertainment addiction.

Delet yourself fag
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>>527722006
stuff
encrypted too
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>>527722056
>The gold in the disk is what gives it the archival quality
see >>527722114
although I personally hope you get lynched before that and your indian brothers eat you alive saar
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>>527721912
debunked years ago, https://danielrosehill.medium.com/on-the-great-m-disc-vs-regular-blu-ray-debate-4318eaf37ee5
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>>527717569
Guaranteed the tech to read them will be unficable and prohibitive to recreate
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>>527721912
>no one talks about this on 4chan
on the FUCKING POLITICS BOARD
None of that matters anyways, the M-Discs are a fifty fifty disc now, you'll probably have to buy and return 8 thousand dollars worth of discs before you get a legitimate lithographic disc now. It's not a viable archival method since there's no way to get a reliable supply of them.

>>527722218
This literally has nothing to do with the fact that lithographic M-Discs aren't being produced anymore. Stop fucking posting that.
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>>527722202
no need encrypting, it will be erased the moment it's found by angry niggers passionate about ebay feedback score
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>>527722202

This kike loves his cheese extra cheezy. MODS!!!!
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>>527722114
>i am true brahamian not you saar
Notice how nowhere in your original post did you call me Indian and now you're changing your wording.
kek you guys give yourselves away every time kid. Stop getting so mad when someone calls you indian and we wouldn't know you were indian.
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>>527717569
isn't there some time of disc that is made from crystal that governments use that is supposed to last billions of years? so they say? just get some of those.
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>>527722193
Well since I'm not 12 my childhood pictures are in actual physical albums and my own pictures and photos take up a few gigs but I don't ever go through them anyway because I'm not a fucking fag or a girl. NIGGER lmao who the fuck watches old videos of their dog you fucking gay ass faggot
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>>527722338
why do you think he has a memeflag kek
he writes like a 15 year old from /b/
he can't even afford M-DISC
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>>527721912
Interesting
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>>527722202
>stuff
is this a standard term?
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>>527717874
This. I need it to save files. I don’t need it for frequent use. I use my hard desks a maximum of 10 times a year. They are still functional with issues after 20 years.
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>>527722218
>article about the an absolute flaming anglo faggot giving a "hot take" after reading some press releases
>debunked
you are the romanian fuckin gypsy, I knew it, only you could be so stupid

FOR ALL NON-ROMAIANS time to get familiarized with romanian foreign policy

https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/kurt-w-treptow-us-historian-sentenced-to-prison-in
https://www.7est.ro/2013/08/dezvaluiri-pedofilul-kurt-treptow-a-apelat-la-ceausescu-pentru-a-putea-studia-in-romania/ (use google translate)
https://therealromania.blogspot.com/2007/02/dracula-book-gets-pedophile-off-hook.html
as the article states, it's intimately connected with the romanian foreign intelligence (spies)
https://www.mediafax.ro/social/istoria-fara-perdea-marius-oprea-ioan-talpes-ne-a-integrat-in-nato-si-ue-printr-o-cirtita-a-rusilor-in-cia-si-un-oficial-nato-traficant-de-droguri-20053357
take this one too (use google translate, pedophilia and drugs as foreign policy)
https://www.thetimes.com/travel/destinations/europe-travel/netherlands/amsterdam/nato-official-in-pound120m-drug-cash-scandal-npd2g38x2m3
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>>527722426
Same but I want to digitize my childhood pics. What if I move somewhere, what if my house burns down? At least it's backed up in a safer format, unless fire melts the disc of course.

Picrel actual me with Soviet radios
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>>527722656
No issue*
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>>527722426
I guess your fuzzy friends and human friends are as expendable as your throw away media.

You must be 18 to post here go back to preddit
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>>527722216
So mad over simply explaining what the gold is for and why it works but whatever. Go throw all your shit on a shitsung thumbdrive and pray the poos didn't fuck microsofts usb drivers in the next update, I don't care.
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>>527722831
>so mad
>posts mad pepe
you're new here aren't you, VPN faggot
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This thread reeks of bot replies. A bunch of randomly strung together sentences and words that sound vaguely related to OP's topic. I'm beginning to NOOTICE.
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>>527717807
They put it through intense UV shit and oxidation to simulate accelerated aging.

But anyways, practically, most commerical CD/DVD masters stored in decent conditions (in the dark away from crazy heat) are readable even if they're approaching 50 years old. Same with loads of even basic crappy burned CDRs from 30 years ago. These may or may not last 1000 years, but if you burn 5 of them and vacuum seal with some dessicants and put in a closet or deposit box I give a 99% chance at least one will last until well past you're dead.
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>>527723080
>I'm beginning to NOOTICE.
then pull that cock out of your mouth
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>>527723075
>posts mad pepe
It's always nice seeing a genuine schizo waste 20+ replies and not a bot.
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>>527717763
Strike 3 Holdings
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>>527723137
This nigga thinks DVDs have been around for 50 years
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>>527723319
>it's not me it's you
i got badNews4u
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>>527723434
>This nigga doesn't even know
He's still trying to recreate vhs static for his youtube videos.
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>>527721912
>>527721912
Whats your take on the bdr-htl discs being likely just as good as m discs?
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>527723546
>22
He'll be here for another hour and a half
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>>527723657
nigga if it was as good as m-disc (ceramic/inert material) they'd get sued by m-disc and settled out of court and got another factory for m-disc
any other stupid questions you want answered for free?
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>>527722267
The point of the article is that blu ray technology has advanced. You might not be able to buy m disc, but they will still last a very long time.
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>527723737
>have no idea how 4chan works
>will be here forever
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>>527723845
Apparently most don't use the organic dyes anymore. See the data horder thread the other anon posted
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>>527723958
>source: just pulled out of my ass because heck this ain't the kindergarden playground where a somali could kick my nose down into my spleen
brave!
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>>527717569
Just think....all my Taylor Swift foot porn would still be usable in 3026. Hnnnngg....
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every cd-r and dvd-r I've ever made has suffered bit rot and mold issues. oldfag here to tell you this is not an archival medium. Now HDDs on the other hand and even floppy disks have been good to me for the most part.
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>>527717569
Humidity kills drives.

LTO is way better in every way possible BUT the reader/writers are 5-6 digits.
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>>527724052
I literally told you the source
>I'm super mad about people discussing optical discs
How amusing
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>>527723080
Why is a thread about dvds so heavily botted? Its rather curious
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>>527717569
Is there any reason why a hard drive would fail if just left in a box for decades?
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>>527724219
>every cd-r and dvd-r I've ever made has suffered bit rot and mold issues
incorrect, I have dozens of CD-R's from the early 2000's that still can be read (not even TDK or other meme-brands but off-brand chinese memerex knockoffs)
if you don't store them like a retard they are alright
>oldfag here
don't need to write old, you're just a fag and that's that
a shit-smelling incontinent faggot hated by everyone with a functioning sense of smell
I hope all that savage buttfucking in the 70s 80s 90s 00s and 10s was worth it you decrepit piece of toilet paper
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>>527724262
and I just told you to fuck off back to india, see the ICE deportations in Canada thread toodaloo
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>>527719073
>>527721912
/thread
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>>527722799
No you're just a fag tranny on SSRIs
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>>527724496
>broken bot sounds
Ok
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>>527721405
>1500 years
uhh..I've no idea where you are pulling that from, some sources would've been useful to still tell you it's all marketing.
I still have like 50 50gb M-Discs I bought pre 2020.
*It is true M-Disc stopped existing like a decade ago, to my surprise mind you, there is plenty of speculation that some of the skus where moved to normal inorganic layer BD-Rs, some where not, M-Disc of course is not confirming anything, and since the company rumored to be involved is CMC, which btw also swallowed Verbatim, now I have serious doubts of the 1000 year claim.
Claim which in the end is mere marketing because realistically nobody is going to be around to confirm it, and nothing will be around either to verify it on. In per TB cost Vs. reliability terms HDDs are still king even when paired with the the 3-2-1 (or similar) strategy. SATA/USB is still not at risk of being phased out whereas optical disc drives are, something which you now need to factor when making a yuge optical disk backup.
>>527719694
>>527721912
Seems to be true, I stopped buying Verbatim after CMC devoured it, my take is you have to buy them directly from mdisc dot com and there is no first party guarantee according to this

https://www.howtogeek.com/this-would-be-the-best-cold-storage-format-out-there-except-for-this-reason/
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>>527724502
see >>527721885 nigger
it's like stopping the production of DDR4 memories... until stock become depleted this year when they decided that it's worth making another batch
jeet/somali/zoomer slaves like you should get their hands cut off the first shitpost they make on the internet, and that's the merciful option
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>>527717569

> 1000 years?

LMAO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot
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>>527724606
>70+ year old reply
just fuck off and die already
you have already proven you are a worthless piece of shit over 70 years, why insist now?
leave the 70 year olds with something to say room to breathe, don't suffocate everybody with the obnoxious farts you were having since 14
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>>527724777
you will be deported to india
i can personally vouch for that
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>>527724842
>29 angry posts by this bot
Lol
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>lasts 1000 years
>will be rendered useless if a couple of deep scratches are present
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>>527724980
see >>527724842
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>>527717569
Yo I work at a certain Japanese media reseller...
Sadly they last maybe 50 years in the best condition. Unless your willing to shell outa few thousand for vacuumed sealed temperature regulated closed circuit led shielded bookshelves these bitches are going to get damaged.

The root cause are Actinomycetes, These bastards eat residue off of glass and other reflective surfaces leaving behind a little white mess that in most cases cant be removed without damaging the disc. They pretty much shit super glue.

I love physical media but sadly anything other than a large stone obelisk/monument is doomed to last maybe century of absence.

good news if you have a few really cherished discs its not hard to do maintenance every 6 months to keep them functional. Considering thats about how often most of yall take baths im sure youll be able to manage
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>>527725005
unlike your mom huh
she got 5 good years when her pimp "scratched" her face "deep" with the razor blade he used to shave his balls (no shaving cream) before your father "rescued" her at the ripe old age of 13
and you were born only 3 months afterwards eh? brave hispano origin story
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>>527717569
That shit doesn’t last 1000 years. I have burnt CDRs from 10 years ago that didn’t work anymore. They degrade faster than tape.
Flash storage loses their data too btw.
The most reliable thing for me has been HDDs, the ones with platters.
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just keep buying thumb drives and save everything to them 3 times over as they increase their storage capacity
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>>527725080
your father works for nintendo too? cool
cool story about goats eating potatoes after which you mention that goats don't eat stone
the sad part is that you imply that goats eat stone potatoes... which is wrong and you will be deported to india too with all your shit-guzzling relatives too
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>>527725217
>smacks lips
>but if i wank and finish in 1 minute
>how come paper lasts 2 minute?!
go back to syria, you animal
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>>527717569
>m-disc blu-rays
>be 1000 years later
>wtf are we gonna play this on anon, you stupid nigger?
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>>527725422
don't worry nigger, there won't be any niggers in 1000 years
i personally with there were some niggers left in 1000 years but sadly i'm sure that if any humans survive that long there won't be any nigger among them
and you convinced me of that fact
so thank you
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>>527717569
Is 100GB a lot of data where you come from?
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>>527725521
>with
wish
thorry
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>>527717569
i'm still using hard drives over 10 years old from my first PC.
nobody on this site has anything worth preserving for 1000 years in a form factor as limited as blu-ray.
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>>527717763
Kikes love Nigger dick.
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>>527717569
this shit is more expensive per GB than a hard drive
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>>527717569
The jew also fears faraday caged and protected LTO tapes and no shilling against them will prove otherwise
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>>527725618
it's a ceramic blu ray that can survive EMP's
sure hard disks per se survive EMP's but their electronics (containing their fuckin geometry) won't
so it's arguably the best bet
considering what I said, 100GB per human ain't that bad of an offer (also 100GB per asian non-jeet, and 10GB per nigger and 1GB per jeet)
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>>527725714
u can read a blu-ray (especially an m-disc) with an optical microscope good enough
you can't do that with an LTO
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>>527717569
You can get a burner for a couple hundred, but the discs are expensive AF. You could burn to a hard disc and make 2-5 backups for the same price based on $/TB for quality BDXL discs.
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>>527725335
I don't have a response cause I have no clue what your talking about. Here's my Japanese passport to lend some credibility. Sorry I cant add more don't want to be doxed
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>>527726094
yikes image got flipped somewhere in the process sorry lol
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>>527726094
you are not even the same nigger
>>527726146
you are not excused!
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>>527717569
The only thing that determines data storage lifespan is storage conditions.
Thanks for your attention to this matter!
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>>527725957
with LTO tapes you can store 500tb with a thousand bucks, the intelligent archiver uses both LTO and mdisk as tools for different purposes
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>>527719073
>>527721912
lol. nufags finding it out in 2026
imagine my shook
shdgdy, spghdty, many such, sad, ect
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>>527726449
BD-Rs will still last 200 years in ideal storage conditions making this change relevant but not horribly so, I'm waiting until 3d laser etching is achievable as DIY storage as opposed to just in labs
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>>527725417
Halts maul du neger.
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>>527717569
>100GB
and a full game still wont fit on it
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>Hurr let me inform you what polycarbonate plastic disk can survive an EMP
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>>527717569
>1000 years
Nice technology, it would be a shame if someone outperformed it with mud
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>>527721912
they do on /g/ this is /pol/ for incorrect political takes, ie the holly didnt happen.
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>>527718166
>consumed by in a
??
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>>527719106
why dont people just leave the blu ray disc in the case when finished watching it? retards. the case a the vacuum sealed protective thing. not sire why memeflag was on euro. maybe misclick but i only just saw it.
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>>527717569
Shit costs too much.
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>>527720158
why do you do this? you see this post>>527719603
and then say exactly the same shit. i uate you faggot reddit users that came here and think if you emulate yiu might gt karma too. brain rotted
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>>527721040
>why do people archive shit
>they cant like it all
how would you feel of you didnt eat dinner last night?
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>>527725714
>>527726383
>with LTO tapes you can store 500tb with a thousand bucks
good luck finding a drive that is not scalped 10x
>>527727121
this shit became political when the wef niggers decided goys are good to be eternal paypigs only.
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>>527726146
a gook AND a newfag
ngmi
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>>527717569
Can non-whites do this too or is it just for whites
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>>527726621
>waiting until
oof. what, youve got 3,4 years left? better wait
>faster
what about argon or helium filled hdds? currently contemplating to buy one but they start at about 450€ at minimum what 8 or 12tb?
and what would i save on them anyway? books, pdfs, pics, some videos, cooking recipes? yea thats about 1-2tb tops
maybe suggest what i should archive anons? what would be beneficial

when the NA-EU-NWO drops and all the pcs break because of cpu or overall hardware degradation, no one will be able to access their data anyway. also new legislature will prevent that from happening legally, too.
our children if you have any will look at a port in their bedroom which will be linked to fagman cloud based server computing for their daily infoslop.
how and where are you going to connect that illegal hdd/mdisc of yours?
maybe if you are lucky some old 98 or xp is collecting dust in some giga basedment dweller, but they wont be able to read unoptimised newage data slop
what, you didnt think the devil is in the detail and he would cover his tracks over time?
idk
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>>527718953

Shit-fucking is LITERALLY gay.
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>>527718565
Drives have mechanical pieces that will fail long before those discs fail. At this timeframe the decay of matter is the factor of concern
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>>527717569
I've been burning CDs and DVDs since the 90s. Fuckers still work.
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>>527719024
Based out laminator is separate and slow do need to laminate pages in manual. I also have EMP hareded old PCs with their components hardening MilSpec Harris compents. An XT , unix
Machines and every compact Mac ever made including a functional Lisa. As well as “arsenal” including over a thosand rounds of ammunition all procured with an anonymous crypto card with the previous owner accepting responsibility
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>>527727641
dafuq u talm bout? i never said it was or wasnt political. i hate that there are so many retards in the White race.
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>>527727641
>im too poor to just buy a drive
Ok, your problem
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>>527728336
>too stupid to needlessly burn thousands helping scalpers
Ok, your problem.
Your original statement is still a lie though.
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Can somebody explain why my atari 2600 50 years game are still working ?
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>>527717569
Magnet proof as well, as least it should be. All these things are useless without the devices to decode, read and display them however.
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>>527728819
Back in the day, stuff was made to last.
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>>527717569
been using them for years, some are stored in a outdoors environment with drastically varying temp and humidity. i never had any issue/ bitflip. Same goes for the verbatim gold plated dvds.
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>>527717569
I have HDDs that are 15 years old and have run at least half of that time without interruption, so this is bullshit.
I can prove it if need be, but I'm lazy.
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>>527721912
This turned out fake.
https://www.heise.de/news/Langzeitarchivierung-Verwirrung-um-die-M-Disc-7349953.html

I also made some optical tests on new and old discs, they are the same
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>>527729120
And I have a hdd I got in april 2024 that already have 1589 sector error (only few hundred gb to transfer)
It's random, you don't know if the chink was drunk or not, if the chink who sold the material was a retard or not
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>>527717807
They put it in the simulation
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>>527729135
from the comments:
Unfortunately, it has been confirmed - at least since October 2022
https://www.heise.de/forum/heise-online/Kommentare/Langzeitarchivierung-Verwirrung-um-die-M-Disc/Leider-hat-es-sich-bestaetigt-zumindest-seit-Oktober-2022/posting-42278434/show/

:-\
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>>527717569
The absolute best thing about physical storage like this is that normies no longer use them and often donate them to thrift stores. They never check to see if they left data on the discs either. If I find an open spool I just buy it (especially if its old and dusty). I've found loads of forgotten porn stashes. When I feel extra froggy I'll bring my old laptop and go through all the discs right there in the store.
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>>527717763
Since the jews went scorched earth on pornhub and amateur porn in general in order to prop up onlyfans I've been meticulously downloading amateur BBC content. It's so hot and will last me a lifetime
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>>527725005
a few scratches on a QR code and its useless

clearly this retard doesnt know how optical storage works in 2026, lots of redundancy features that will keep data safe even with multiple scratches
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Fake shill thread. Look at the charts. Mdick suckers are desperate to get to hold their bags.
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>>527717874
NO! IT! DOES! NOT!!!
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>>527717763
>amateur blacked porn
quotes on jews that generations of newgoys keep ignoring
https://boards.christogenea.org/forum/main-category/main-forum/jewish-treachery/72653-100-quotes-exposing-the-evil-of-the-jews
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>>527730298
You think they did this also so they could push jbw and much white privelege Chad theory? Because it contradics if every ww have been filmed taking black cock i remember before pornhub purge you could goon 4 hours just seeing new short clips of it and if you did it for long time not visiting old clips,surely it must have been millions of white women fucking niggers so they cracked down and make blacked look goy its just a meme and pro porn not reality so the goy white male keept coping that not every women of his breed is or was black owned
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>>527717569
Too bad the devices used to play them don't last 30
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>>527718817

And Indian chicks love BWC.
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does a regular like 20 dollar cd burner burn to these shits?
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>>527718249
Easy. They take 1000 of them and if none of them die in 1 year, they can estimate that it lasts 1000 years.
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>>527717807
They fly one around the really fast until it's experienced the equivalent of 1000 earth years.
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>>527724423
ok
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>>527717763
Yeah
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>>527733202
brilliant
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>>527717569
My hdd is a decade old now
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>>527722077
'ick on 'ol/
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>>527728819
Solid state memory.
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>>527717569
MDISC is based. But remember that almost any good quality Blu-ray will last a super long time. It's the older CDs and DVDs that had the shitty dyes that dissolved over several years.

>>527717807
They extrapolate the data lost over times we have now and look at it and such.

>>527719073
You can tell the old from the new, it's not 50/50 at all. But there's nothing wrong with the new ones- still, if you want the old ones, you can still get them while supplies last.

>>527719244
M-Disc is available in DVD and Blu-ray.

>>527721273
Nah noob, put it in a drawer, it lasts a real long time. They did serious fucking testing on M-Disc, they are the best archival thing available for the common man.

>The sun ruins them

This is true actually, if you leave your M-Disc in the sun for a month or two it'll be toast. So don't do that, because it's fucking retarded. Only a retard would go through the effort of making an M-Disc that will last hundreds of years and then decide "You know what, I should just leave this in the fucking sun, which will rapidly destroy it".
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>>527730298
Literally every single one of my old pornhub favorites/bookmarks is gone. It's a lesson you have to learn the hard way now if I favorite something I download it. Storage is cheap.

Recently I'm seeing a lot of music in my older youtube playlists disappear so I'll have to go through and download that. Gonna be a pain in the ass but that's what I get for relying on streaming for so long. My advice is to start downloading from the beginning.
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>>527717569
Computers will not last 1000 years, standards in less than 30 years wil not be compatible with that anymore and M-DISC writers and readers will not exist in a century because technology will have changed.
Valuable information must be copied from book to book for centuries by people who think this info is valuable. It's the only way.
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>>527717940
They also make sure to cum in the girls mouth, so she'll get syphilis and overtime, her brain with turn to swiss cheese and she'll kill herself. Porn's job is basically to take pretty girl down on their luck and destroy them.
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Discs use chemicals that fade away over a decade. The technology is not that much different than DVD-R or CD-R. You are massive newfags that never pirated ps2 games. The best way to save data is a raid 50 configuration and even then, disks will break over time. If you want to last millenia consider stone tablets.
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>>527729541
They are the same for me. Maybe he bought fakes?
I could go ahead and run a Raman spectography with work lab equipment to be certain but that doesnt seem necessary.

If you are that afraid, just argon gas seal them, the internal structure of the disc is in either case not subject to interior chemical reactions
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>>527734708
This whole if its on the internet it will last forever was a huge lie, so that betabucks would never know if their wife was a pornslut, this happened with dvd
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>>527734817
Is the cloud the future? Or inserting chips into our brains the future?
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Good luck finding a reader 1000 years from now. Sony killed the technology, bd is dead
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>>527734977
Virtually none of this is accurate.
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>>527717569
>Gets a barely noticable scratch
>Doesn't work
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>>527722656
>This. I need it to save files. I don’t need it for frequent use. I use my hard desks a maximum of 10 times a year. They are still functional with issues after 20 years.
Look at backblaze HDD studies, HDDs fail at an absurd rate, like 7% PER YEAR. There's also bitrot where you lose data without knowing it
If you survive the curve then you'll be good for a while, but the overall design and components selected are not reliable. Desktop drives are inferior to server drives in MTBF

>>527717874
>I got a cheap external hard drive 20 years ago and it still works now
External drives they often put the lowest QC drives in there with the worst warranty because they know you'll just bump it into stuff anyway and they can blame it on that
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>>527734977
The M-discs literally are stone tablets. Thanks for playing.
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>>527729541
That being said, it could still be that the new ones are different but thenold batches are still in rotation and I just got one of the 'original' batch with my latest purchase.
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>>527735307
> There's also bitrot where you lose data without knowing it

Well there are random bit flips at a very very low rate but there is the option to use a self healing file system like BTRFS :)
Still, HDDs suck dor archiving
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>>527717569
Some of/dvd are attacked by "aluminum-eating bacteria".
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>>527734708

Now you can buy 32TB hard drives, and QNAP and Synology boxes for cheap, there is no excuse for not having RAID5 or 6 NAS.

The government is constantly censoring the internet.
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>>527718578
Thats how marketing works. None of us are going to be around in 1000 years to find that out. Unless the bots here somehow get an ai upgrade and spend all of entirety trapped with semi consciousness on this shit hole (I just us warm-bloods are the lucky ones?)
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>>527717763
I don't get it, why would they delete when they are the ones distributing it?
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>>527736041
>The government is constantly censoring the internet.
yeah but whats there to save? i already know almost everything. thers no thing new for me. and the things i want to know, they are behind deep vaults or paywalls or not being talked about.
also one can deduct and combinatorically determine a huge portion of things. just use logic.

its more like, data as evidence as use for ones argument to get the normie/npc to finally comprehend the things. im not saying i disagree with you. but i cant see how you will have time to sight/manage your data all the time. the most important thinks are in your head/you already.
maybe anons should have more self esteem or self reliance or whateever is called instead of being fearful and resort to anything other than themself
idk sry im rabmling its alre
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>>527736331
>yeah but whats there to save? i already know almost everything.
My fucking god this site has some stupid motherfuckers
I have a friend in real life who has a learning disability or something, or he's just a worthless moron or something? and it really opened my eyes to just how stupid and incompetent people can be, the ignorance, lack of awareness is just par for the course when you're that stupid.
I read your post and I think "he's probably just like him"
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>>527736894
yea its mega arrogant and narcissistic of me im sorry, but its like some divine Truth
i have soph ea and visio of the aeons
but theres noone to listen to
so im blue dabe deee dabe day
i am thankful, but no seriously. "people" nowadays are discount homuncoli of the highest order. why would i tell them anything anyway? they cant even communicate properly or listen to a point for more than 15 mins.
so i read the cobwebs for the last 10 years. did you read 10 years everysingle day for at least 8hrs a day? ive done my homework but my adam kadmon is inoperable nowadays
so i just sleep nowadays and lurk the crab wrestling forums
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>>527717874
its rated in an enterprise context anon.
Life span is often a range, but they always market the lowest of the range. Not sure why, probably legal.
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>>527717569
Good luck finding a Bluray drive that still works in 1000 years though. It's already becoming difficult to buy them.
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But does anyone in this thread even own cd rom? I don't think modern pc cases even have a place for it
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>>527729135
hey asshole, I cant use this faggot site because it disables the scroll bar when you block the element of that annoying pop up for enabling tracks.

God I hate germans/ eu fags so fucking much.

Wasted 20 minutes just to find out the web article is a paid review by Verbatim.
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>>527717763
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>>527736331
A massive Dunning Kruger in action here.
You know virtually nothing. Merely building up the foundation to grasp the specifics of polymer science and related engineering processes would take to you a decade.

Look at any single thing around you and ask yourself
"Do I know how to make that from scratch?"

You dont.
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>>527717940
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>>527718544
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1000 years huh. Who the fuck would buy this? In 1000 years this will be such obsolete and far removed technology, they won't even know how to process it. We might not even be alive.
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>>527737463
In 50-100 years it will be like IDE drives are today, difficult to buy working drives, difficult to find a working computer that will even interface with them. The only people who will be able to read discs will be specialists who charge thousands of dollars for the service.
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>>527737514
> Good cattle keeps using Windows and listens to reddit
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>>527735012
How about you go do that and tell us what you find out. I was planing ot buy some of these disks, but they cost a day and half wages. Im not spending $250 for 25 disks ($10 a disk!) just for them to be no different then the $1 a disk pack.
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>>527718166
Data we can't understand, would still be better than being puzzled by "sphinx in egypt having water corrosion".
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>>527737698
install gentoo.
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>>527717569
This is a lie btw, the data degrades fairly fast over decades. The disc lasts that long but the data does not.
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>>527737828
Have you even bothered to read any of the thread memeflag?
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>>527717569
Now build a dvd/bluray player that lasts 1000 years. That would be worth any price.
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>>527717569
>>527721912
>>527737514
>>527737726
Holy shit, some guy left a amazon review about them being fake, we need to post more reviews like this, then have Verbatim taken off amazon.
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>>527717569
>lasts up to 1000 years
Literally a Reich Disc.
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>>527717940
Hey, I've read this Epstein email
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>>527733202
Ffs
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>>527736314
circle of life for kikes, produce, delete, produce
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>>527717569
>All these techcels struggling with their stupid disks and drives
Pen and paper chads stay winning
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>>527737726
I dont have a 'bad' reference sample.
The newer M-Discs are said to have a visibly different type of coating but the ones I got are optically seemingly of the same type as the eldest one's I got.

> Gentoo
Been using kubuntu without major issues. Regarding Disc burning on Linux, K3B ruined several MDiscs for me at one point due to mkisofs crashing for some reason. I tested it with 2 different drives. That was a major pain, but xfburn worked flawlessly.
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>>527717569
>>527717807
>>527726449
>>527735012
Hey guys I should let you know I was planning on backing up a bunch of 4chan threads here on to a bunch of m disks, then hide them around the city for people to find in 100~1000 years just in case we all fail and the child eating judes somehow have us all murdered. So that there is evidence of all of our efforts and suffering, and hopefully give hope and reason to what happend.

Right now I have about 20,000 (I think, its about 2 million files in total with my other archives).
I no joke work up for a nightmare about 3 hours ago, and realized that I need to back up everything offline, and to archive org encase I die and all of theses back ups are for nothing. Crazy that this thread was here, because it so relent to what I was doing an hour BEFORE I had opened pol this early morning.

Im not wanting to spend 350 on a bunch of plastic that has been marked up for no reason.

Thanks for the warning, I almost wasted so much on a bunch of plastic!
spam
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>>527739170
Shout out to these guys here btw, was trying to reformat because 4chan said my post was spam.
Don't know what it says that, but thanks!
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>>527717569
The ones you burn yourself don't last that long.

Buying old dvd/br for your doomsday bunker is a good idea. Burning your own is not
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>>527717569
>3.9 TB
>focus two different color lasers on a reflective area
>Packs more information
>2010
>No commercially available product.
There is definitely something about having archival grade large storage at ready disposal that (((they))) fear. Discs were great at being cheap sure they slow but not circuits to degrade over time.
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>>527740426
Any more info behind this format? Iv'e never heard about it until now.
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>>527735163
> Source: myass
You haven't attempted to store anything and you for sure don't have access to comemrcial grade disc press let alone master discs that are used for printing
>>527735374
All of these can last up to a century. Considering its a commercial press. Your old blueray-rw drive and discs will write 20years at best if you record at 1x.
As I've said, laser etches a chemical compound that degrades over time. You can have a different compound and vrand it CD, DVD, blueray, Mdisk, ND (short for NiggerDisk). Tech is practically the same.
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>>527719439
>Are newer flash drives purposely made like shit
Yes, the higher densities make it harder for them to persist the data for a long time.
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>>527721689
>looks beautiful
Built by Germans/Hungarians.
>what makes it a shithole
Inhabited by Romanians
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>>527718169
I know of a few lolis on tiktok that I would be willing and able to gargle their shits from
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>>527740634
Any company that is tried to develop it hasn't been successful. I mean polished disc should be relatively cheaper to a circuit that could do as much. You might say that its almost a conspiracy as this thread suggests. Research has even gotten to 1.6 petabits or 200 terabytes.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06980-y
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>>527741623
If its a problem with replacing the disks, they should try using something like a umd disk holder like sony did with the psp. So it does not get scratched.
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>>527741232
> As I've said, laser etches a chemical compound that degrades over time

How is it that niggers are allowed to roam free with that level of mental retardation?
How a specific chemical reacts to a specific type of light source can't be generalized by your brainlet take.

Chemical compounds may or may not change form over time. Polycarbonate, as used in optical discs, is chemically stable if not under the influence of something that oxidizes it, high temp or radiation.
You could go through any layer of an optical disc and make similar arguments.

Discs are composite of multiple layers each with their own properties.
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>>527740426
Moving into three dimensional holographic cubes sounds like a better move. Having lasers read and write on a three dimensional axis sounds like the next step. Also moving from plastics to something like a sapphire or diamond substrate to hold the data. Theres already been gold disk data storage since the 60s.
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>>527737230
No I have powers as well but you are aberrated, you can't say things like "I know everything already". You missed some important skill acquisition during your critical period of development to say stupid things like that, either that or you were born with a mental defect. My 2 cents as a fellow retard
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>>527741928
>high temp or radiation.
Radiation is a problem solved by gold storage while temp is solved by diamond storage. Nothing's perfect though. Data storage is itself finite and even archeology is relatively new when considering the amounts of time that modern data storage could be viable.
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>>527718626
abdul, this thread is about data storage, not about your shithole pakistan
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>>527717569
Demon sigils, you're gonna get shadowraped if you don't stop meddling with these forces
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>>527742471
Any storage media will eventually decay for sure. Gold is pretty based in general with how chemically inert it is, regarding that property, perfect for protection of a recording layer from corrosion (at least from one direction)!

There are also these (supposedly) gold coated DVD-R from Verbatim but with 4,7GB, their use is rather limited. I am still annoyed they never made gold coated BD-Rs
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>>527717569
> Bbbbut muuuh lost polarity
Okay hear me out, these types of industrial SD cards are pretty damn reliable. I have used some in several types of machines for a few years commonly with 24/7 read/write operations without issue. I can't speak on the data retention times though (manufacturer claims 10 years in powered off state)
https://www.mouser.de/ProductDetail/Swissbit/SFCA128GH2AD4TO-I-LT-246-STD?qs=IKkN%2F947nfBctfG2YyF1Cw%3D%3D
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>>527739170
Just wanted to say i support this

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