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It is sad that Western civilization for thousands of centuries has been curated--to honor a dead jew on a stick--massive cathedrals built, the entire identities of peoples built, cultures lost, to honor a sectarian jew in rags.
>it has been a thousand and a few hundred years of Christian Europe. We should be proud.
It is a sunken cost fallacy and bad habit.
The French Revolution and Enlightenment could be summed up as the West escaping a psyche ward and jumping back into another mental institution, but looking back I'm profoundly glad the West ditched this brain worm of Christianity. We could be so much more than spiritual jews.
It might take great pains and collateral damage to remove this brain worm, but it was worth it--centuries of enslavement to this dead jew king finally over.
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>>527731150
That this is worth lauding over in Christianity should really speak for itself.
You drink the blood and eat the flesh of a jew for salvation.
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>>527731199
>What have you ever done for me?
I could save you from the drudgery of worshipping a dead hobo jew and honoring him with countless palaces (churches/cathedrals).
That should be adequate enough.
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Every day you're still crying about Christianity. You have secular education systems from top to bottom. You have the vast, vast majority of under 30s who are secular and outright hostile towards religion and Christianity in particular. You have an entertainment apparatus that would never expect a box office film showing Christianity in a positive light to be released, ever. And what have you done in the 200 year span since figures like Voltaire started openly shitting on Christianity? Trannies and marvel movies? cucking and playing with dmt? wow so inspiring.
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>>527731469
Liberalism and the Enlightenment is unironically better than Christianity.
I'd rather have that kind of secularism than the spiritual poison of worshipping a dead hobo jew and being him countless palaces.
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i gotta say im a religion thread enjoyer
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All religions
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>>527731087
Considering the alternatives, dead-jew-on-a-stick is a lot better than:
>sandnigger getting raped by a pack of other sandniggers while his favorite goat wife stays at home
>a religion that got its ass kicked centuries ago and still hardcore LARPs like they won
>a religion jesus himself permanently destroyed
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>"I hate a God (I don't believe in BTW) because consequences make free will suck ass also I don't want to go to hell for pedophilia" the (totally not a) religion
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I think anti-Christian anons are most vindicated in crying about Christianity.
Have you ever considered if Christianity is wrong?
Christians in the West have sold everything they have -- to be spiritual Jews!
They sold out their native cultures & religion, their nation and identity and race -- to be spiritual Jews and honor their King Jesus.
And for a thousand years went on building countless palaces to honor this dead hobo jew king and demolishing countless ancient temples and artifacts to do so--to vehemently enslave themselves to this dead hobo jew king in rags.
Consider that.
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>>527731150
True
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>>527731087
>It is sad that Western civilization for thousands of centuries has been curated--to honor a dead jew on a stick--massive cathedrals built, the entire identities of peoples built, cultures lost, to honor a sectarian jew in rags.
>>it has been a thousand and a few hundred years of Christian Europe. We should be proud.
>It is a sunken cost fallacy and bad habit.
>The French Revolution and Enlightenment could be summed up as the West escaping a psyche ward and jumping back into another mental institution, but looking back I'm profoundly glad the West ditched this brain worm of Christianity. We could be so much more than spiritual jews.
>It might take great pains and collateral damage to remove this brain worm, but it was worth it--centuries of enslavement to this dead jew king finally over.
I'm so demoralized fellow chuds, why are the jews so much smarter than us?
To think everything was 4D chess, Christianity, Hitler...
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>>527732062
It's the same thing, retard
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>>527732377
Sky father will return
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Christianity is Aryan tho
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>>527732377
Christianity was the original psy-op.
We're still getting fucked over by jews.
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>>527732624
>memeflag
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>>527731087
>14. Not giving heed to Judean (Jewish) fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. (Titus 1:14)
>Jesus answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)
>But a time is coming – and now is here – when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such people to be his worshipers. (John 4:23)
>“We are descendants of Abraham,” replied the Judeans (Jews), “and have never been anyone’s slaves! How can you say, ‘You will become free’?” (John 8:33)
>25. Jesus replied to the Pharisees (Judean leaders), “I told you and you do not believe. The deeds I do in my Father’s name testify about me. 26. But you refuse to believe because you are not my sheep. (John 10:25-26)
>42. Jesus replied to the Pharisees (Judean leaders), “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come from God and am now here. I have not come on my own initiative, but he sent me. 43. Why don’t you understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot accept my teaching. 44. You people are from your father the devil, and you want to do what your father desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies. (John 8:42-44)
>9. Note this: I will make those from the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Judahites and are not but are lying – I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I have loved you. (Revelation 3:9)
>14. For you became imitators, brothers and sisters, of God’s churches in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, because you too suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they in fact did from the Judeans (Jews), 15. who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets and persecuted us severely. They are displeasing to God and are opposed to all people (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15)
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>14. Pilate said to the Judean (Jewish) leaders, “Look, here is your king!” 15. Then they shouted out, “Away with him! Away with him! Crucify him!” Pilate asked, “Shall I crucify your king?” The high priests replied, “We have no king except Caesar!” 16. Then Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified. So they took Jesus, 17. and carrying his own cross he went out to the place called “The Place of the Skull” (called in Aramaic Golgotha). 18. There they crucified him along with two others, one on each side, with Jesus in the middle. (John 19:14-19)
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>10. For there are many rebellious people, idle talkers, and deceivers, especially those with Judean (Jewish) connections, 11. who must be silenced because they mislead whole families by teaching for dishonest gain what ought not to be taught. 12. A certain one of them, in fact, one of their own prophets, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” 13. Such testimony is true. For this reason rebuke them sharply that they may be healthy in the faith 14. and not pay attention to Judean (Jewish) myths and commands of people who reject the truth. 15. All is pure to those who are pure. But to those who are corrupt and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16. They profess to know God but with their deeds they deny him, since they are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for any good deed. (Titus 1:10-16)
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>>527732566
You worship the king of the kikes and their very god yahweh.
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>>527731087
This is kind of why I go to the Japanese Buddhist temple now instead of the white Christian churches. Because I'm Japanese.
Modern day Christianity has become morphed into the worship of EQUALITY. All these white Christians care about is equality and worship of unlimited resources.
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Jesus being an outcast jew among jews doesn't make him any less jewish than say spinoza.
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>>527731087
>The humiliation of the West
baby boomers are fucking humiliating. Im embarrassed I ever thought Trump would do good. I lived with these fear mongering faggot enabling brainwashing trash people forever and they still tricked me into thinking they could actually be counted on. Anyone think the boomers caused more deaths than the nazis since their time in power?
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>>527732943
read kike
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>>527732979
Not really. There were massive wars against Muslims and even other Christian sects. The word "tribe" appears many times in the Old Testament, and the Bible never tells the people that they have to become one tribe. The Bible has very positive messages about tribal loyalty.
The word "king" appears many times in the Bible, and you just can't have egalitarianism under monarchy.
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>>527733090
>claiming that Jesus was a Jew
the Bible says not to believe your lies
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Christian identity is one hell of a drug.
Even if it were true, Christianity overall isn't content with just white people, but wants to make all humanity one kingdom under one king by one blood as one family in a way like communism wants to just spread across the world until everyone is under the hammer and sickle -- same with the cross.
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Tribe is still in the New Testament, it just appears less frequently in the New Testament. Tribe appears 301 times in the Old Testament and only 22 times in the New Testament.
But I don't really care at the end of the day. A religion isn't like a computer operating system, and the Bible just isn't like a computer program.
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>>527731087
>for thousands of centuries
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>>527733396
It's sad, anon.
Dealing with Christians on /pol/ is like dealing with rabid dogs who don't know how bad their disease is.
The only /pol/ thing they have going for them is hating fags and degenerates, but they do worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and ultimately believe they are grafted in and spiritually circumcised.
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>>527733228
Christianity has this concept of "repentance for the sins of the father." This is a big reason why white Christians are so prone to beliefs such as mass immigration, DEI, and welfare, because they believe this is a way to repent for the sins of slavery and colonialism.
This concept of "repentance for the sins of the father" just isn't in Buddhism.
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>kike lies
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>>527733625
That's just for Europe, that's not for the US.
Just because someone says that they aren't a Christian, that doesn't mean that they aren't influenced by Christianity. There are plenty of Atheist who say they aren't Christian, yet they have been around Christian moral beliefs their entire lives which have rubbed off on them.
When you have a pope saying that he supports mass immigration because it is a way to repent, then that message affects a lot of people.
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>Jews I hate
Every jew that doesn't benefit me
>Jews I like
Every jew that benefits me
Shrimple ass
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>>527733510
his name is jesus, not the yiddish curse word you posted
When the New Testament was written, it was written in Greek. In Koine Greek, there’s no “sh” sound, and the “ye” sound was more like “ie”. Also, ending a name with “-a” indicates a female name. So they wrote Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous) instead of “Yeshua” or “Yehoshua”.
When the New Testament was then translated to Latin, they changed the spelling slightly, from “Iēsous” to “Iesus”.
Why “I” instead of “J”?
The letter “j” wasn’t invented until the 16th century. It kind of existed before as a fancier “i” in the Middle Ages, but in the 16th century, it became a letter in its own right with the separate sound matching the sound at the start of “Iesus”. So the spelling changed from “Iesus” to “Jesus”.
And that spelling was later inherited to almost every other Germanic and Romance language, including English.
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Western civilisation is inherently a Christian construct. Before that, most of Europe was little better than niggers or American Indians. The exception was Greco-Roman civilisation which brutally enslaved much of the rest of Europe. It was Christianity that led to Europe being identifiable as a distinct entity in the form of Christendom which we now simply call Western civilisation.
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Christianity is ultimately incompatible with /pol/ and is spiritual multiculturalism.
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Total Abrahamic Death. I'm sick of tolerating the presence of these disgusting cultists outside of their desert shitholes.
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>>527733957
While it is arguable that Western civilization is a Christian construct-the West as a distinct identity is -not- Christian.
The Christian considers his family to be anyone from the four corners who is also a Christian--the line of Christendom does not end with the West, but spans the globe.
Christianity is Anti-West as it is Anti-Atlantis.
Christianity is only pro-New Jewrusalem and being spiritual israelites--ignoring the Christian Identity cope that we are the true israelites all along--this is outrageously cucked.
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>fagans
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>>527731087
What matters is that White people believe in something greater than themselves, and allow this spiritual force to guide them morally and socially. This combination is what produces civilisational greatness. Christianity is not necessary for Whites to be great, nor were the Greek or Norse gods specifically necessary. Just a transcendent belief system that carries with it traditions and order. When you separate White people from this need they become nihilistic, selfish, short-termist, and inevitably channel their creativity into depravity.
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>>527734068
It's painful to watch more anons being psyop'd into Christcuckery. Most don't know better and how bad it is.
They're reeled in by romanticism of the Christian past / High Fantasy depictions of the High Middle Ages and the trend of Nick Fuentes' popularity with other e-grifters.
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>Christianity is not necessary for Whites to be great
yes it is, otherwise they become faggots >>527734132
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Ex-christian Charles Guliani's message to Christians: "You are under the most powerful mind deception. You can't see it because you're so overwhelmed by it that your ability to reason shuts off. You have to walk out of it and then come back to see it."
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>>527734184
>nooooo, don't wash feet as an example of great leader being the first servant
>I want to lick a boot of a Legionaire who will rape me, my wife, and my children while the Empire devaluates its coin to pay him for that
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>>527734140
Most Christians are brown people hostile to Whites. The fact that so many Americans are so proud to align themselves to this stupid globalist sect which destroyed so much of the old world speaks for itself.
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You're exactly what I mean. Fat dumb mutt who thinks his shitskin-infested global cult with its mall-churches and tele-evangelists is a cultural improvement on the Greek/Roman/Celtic/Norse traditions and the great civilisations they built. Do you realise how pathetic you seem to actual White people?
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>>527734137
>What matters is that White people believe in something greater than themselves
Christianity doesn't offer much better.
You could see how Christian values immediately play into the very thing that is fucking us over right now -- with White guilt and nihilism.
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>>527731087
indeed
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>>527734326
Christianity says to hate your family until all surrender to Jesus--that includes your nation and everything else.
I don't really agree with Britbong anon that White people need to just transcend their own identity and culture--rather, we need a creed and values that reinforces it.
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>Greek
Their philosophers have realized that Alexander the Great was retarded and following his death civil wars killed 20-30% people in Greece making it open to Roman conquest. Hearing about Christianity made them realize that Christ was Logos they were looking for
>Rome
Worshipping "genius" of their Emperors has turned out to be as retarded, their own Emperor decided that they needed a better religion
>Celts
Druids became bishops
>Norse
You mean the dirty snow niggers?
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I don't want a leader as a slave of slaves that Christianity glorifies.
>So Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their superiors exercise authority over them. But it shall not be this way among you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”
Mark 10:42-45
No matter how many platitudes about being a servant, a leader should rather be an aristocrat and inspire the rest--not by being a cuckold kissing rapefugee feet.
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>>527731087
Don't forget we suffer from this brainworm to this day, even our so-called atheists have been thoroughly infected with christian notions of guilt and atonement and suicidal empathy which is why we can't be racist like everyone else and have to help every subhuman to get on our level, or drown with them
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Christianity in Europe cleverly retained a lot of the ethnic pagan elements of each groups of people, and they rejected the pan-racialism nonsense in Christianity. I believe this is why for a time Christianity retained the cultural greatness of the old civilisations until the French Revolution. This is pretty obvious with the distinctions between eastern orthodox christianity vs latin catholicism and Germanic protestantism. In other words, Europeans stamped their racial and cultural identity on christianity and molded it to suit their needs.
What we have now is unrestrained globalist christianity originating from America, that tramples over racial distinctions and beats people over the head with liberalism, pacifism, and multi-racialism. That's why it's so awful in a way Europeans can understand but mutts cannot.
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>Worshipping "genius" of their Emperors has turned out to be as retarded, their own Emperor decided that they needed a better religion
>Oy vey, don't worship the Emperors, worship this jew on a stick instead.
No.
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>a leader should rather be an aristocrat and inspire the rest
Name a historical example of this that has worked out better in the long term than Alfred the Great
Alexander the Great? Civil war that came after him ended Greece independence
Cesar? Stabbed by own senators for a reason
Napoleon? Forgot what made him a genius tactican and wanted to satisfy his ego with big final battle in Russia during a winter
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I don't think there is anything worth keeping there.
It is wrong to say that they converted Christianity to suit their needs and their integrity -- when, again, the purported goal is to convert them to Spiritual Israelites and to be denizens of New Jerusalem.
I don't think you comprehend -- centuries of building palaces to honor a dead hobo jew on a stick and that for all intents and purposes was a lie -- no sprinkle about transcending ourselves can really clean up how bad that is.
Christianity ultimately wants us to "transcend" ourselves until we are -not- ourselves anymore, until we are rather Spiritual Israelites whereby -that- value of being Spiritual Israelites becomes our new identity and our civilizations become New Jerusalem.
We mustn't take spiritualism for spiritualisms' sake because we abhor materialism -- when we are faced with spiritual poison -- gulping down spiritual poison is not much better than materialism.
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>hurr durr I hate all European leaders
>The only King I revere is my Jew King and the only blood I revere is his blood
Nero save us -- throw this pole into the lion pit!
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Just remember that while Christianity is so eager to divide households -- the same applies for nations -- Christianity wants to divide a nation on the basis of Church allegiance.
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>“I am a Christian. He who answers thus has declared everything at once—his country, profession, family; the believer belongs to no city on earth but to the heavenly Jerusalem.”
St. John Chrysostom
/pol/ anons honestly just remember this quote.
True Christians don't share -any- values with /pol/ and wants to divide and destroy us until the only entity left standing is their Church and New Jerusalem and until our collective conscience is to be Spiritual Israelites.
THey might talk about Western Civilization, but True Christians don't give a rat's ass about our identity and heritage to begin with.
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>>527735049
no gaytheists want that
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>>527731087
If we had limited ourselves to this wise saying, we would not be where we are today.
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>>527731087
Every day i wish Hadrian went the extra mile and eliminated the jewish rot before it could mutate into the modern christcuckery, islamic retardation, and jewish evil
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Rent free freemasonoid
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Christians don't even care about "Western Civilization" -- the Cathedrals/Churches are where they belong -- they abhor the lay cityscape and all the other buildings with abhorrence, ultimately because the only City they belong to is New Jerusalem, and the palace they belong to resides on this spiritual Mt. Zion.
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>>527731087
Christ wasn't a kike, you inbred little kike shit.
And Christianity is the perfect cure to the kike infestation.
Christians killed more of you kikes than ANY other groups in history.
The idea that you subhuman vermin kikes are somehow related to Christ is absurd.
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Bob of Speakers Corner is probably the prime example of why True Christianity is incompatible with /pol/.
They don't belong to any Nation but the Church and the Church belongs to all Nations who accept it, and their blood relationship and their king's blood that makes them a family is Christ's blood... which is the King of the Jews and for all nations to imbibe in...
Anons have said it before--Christian nationalism is a complete oxymoron.
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Claims to be the King of the Kikes.
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You have yet to establish any genetic, cultural or hell even theological connection between Christ and you kike rats, your entire Talmudic cult arose centuries after Christianity.
> King of kikes
Impossible as you kikes didn't exist back than.
Christianity is the holy solution to the kike problem, it's why it scares you and why you keep seething about it endlessly.
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the difference is living with a bunch of primitive whites would be far better than living with niggers at any point in time. Plus your missing the point that whites(and east Asians for that matter) have done extremely well without Christianity as apposed to niggers who despite Christian missionary's best efforts still remain niggers
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>>527736094
Why is that exactly?
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>>527731087
So what level of mental retardation and willful ignorance does it take to not realize Current Year would've been impossible if Christianity - particularly Catholicism - had never been dethroned as the spiritual heart of the Aryan Race?
Seriously, I want to know.
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> King of the jews
That was used to mock him, you kike rats.
Anyhow, you have yet to answer this...
> You have yet to establish any genetic, cultural or hell even theological connection between Christ and you kike rats, your entire Talmudic cult arose
All you have is SEMANTICS!
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Christcucks birthed the great lie of egalitarianism and spiritually castrated the West. Then all the humanist liberal universalists, the secular afterbirth of christcuckery, subconsciously held onto this concept and progressed it along even more in the social/political sphere to further subvert our people. This leads to the absolute state we are in today where these two groups hate each other even though they are basically looking into a mirror since they are two sides of the same coin and both working to destroy the in-group preference/spirit of Western civilization.
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Not only Bob, but to be frank most other traditionalist Christians would also say this.
For them, identity begins and ends with the Church--NOT with any nationality but as Christian people.
Unforunately, not many /pol/ anons realize this and think Christianity is compatible with any nationalism.
Behind closed doors, the higher ups and hardcore Christians are more like Bob rather than Nick Fuentes or other e-grifters.
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>>527731087
Christianity operated for many centuries as a White Citizenship that entitled one to not be enslaved ( by other christians).
Now, RACISM IS SAFETY AND FREEDOM for White Slaves.
By the early 1800s, White Supremacists had built up enough military power to stop paying Tribute/ Jizya/ Ransom to the Arab/Muslim enslavers of white people. Jefferson bombed Tripoli to free the white slaves ( not only Americans). And America fought the Second Barbary War to free the white slaves ( not only Americans) again. Then in 1816, England joined the GLOBAL WHITE SUPREMACY and English Lord Exmouth bombed Algeria to free the White (and black) slaves of the Islamic State. In 1830, the Democracy of France joined the Global White Supremacy and bombed/Invaded/ colonized Algeria to free the White slaves ( not only French) and abolish Islamic slavery of black abeed. Italy joined the Global White Supremacy and invaded Lybia to free all the slaves.
England was still hunting and shooting at Islamic slaver ships in the late 1800s. Example: 1888 Zanzibar slave ship.
It was Industrialization, and resource extraction that empowered white people to defeat the AntiRacist Islamic Enslavers. The key inventions by white people that enabled them to defeat the Islamic state were: industrialization, New World resources ( trees, iron, crops) and African resources ( black slaves), plus Racism ( the idea that people of color should not have white slaves). The Americans were the leaders in establishing White Supremacy/Racism as a Unifying Principle ( Joint Military Doctrine) that enabled white people to cooperate to defeat the AntiRacist Armies of the Islamic State. The French-Ottoman Alliance by French Kings delayed and defeated the Global White Supremacy ( and the Liberation of white people) for several centuries and actively caused the enslavement of millions of white Saqaliba ( and almost caused the Islamic Conquest of Europe and America at the 1683 Siege of Vienna).
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>>527735732
We could cherry-pick plenty of Pagans who are just a cringe as guys like Bob. You really don't want to play that game.
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>>527736191
What do you know of records ? You only read retards on X
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A message to all anons sitting on the fence about Christianity.
There are many people caught up in the waves -- see many e-personas supporting Christianity and the trend of Christian nationalism and the rightwing.
Many of those people are completely unaware this is how it is with Christianity. Don't get swept up in the waves like other gullible anons were.
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>>527736464
I don't even know who this is.
Why should I care about what he has to say?
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>>527736179
> Guy shits on a religion that prosecuted and butchered more kikes than any other group in history
First christians persecuted pagans, their own families and ancestors and protected jews.
If it wasn't for christkikes Jews would be exterminated by Roman pagans.
That later when your jewish bullshit took off and exterminated all non abrahamics some jewish sects fought among themselves does not mean they were exterminating jews. Hadrian exterminated jews. Not christkikes who worhip them as gods.
you (((memeflag))) jew worshipper.
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>>527732062
Liberalism is bringing back Islamic rule in Europe.
Christianity operated for many centuries as a White Citizenship that entitled one to not be enslaved ( by other christians).
By the early 1800s, White Supremacists had built up enough military power to stop paying Tribute/ Jizya/ Ransom to the Arab/Muslim enslavers of white people. Jefferson bombed Tripoli to free the white slaves ( not only Americans). And America fought the Second Barbary War to free the white slaves ( not only Americans) again. Then in 1816, England joined the GLOBAL WHITE SUPREMACY and English Lord Exmouth bombed Algeria to free the White (and black) slaves of the Islamic State. In 1830, the Democracy of France joined the Global White Supremacy and bombed/Invaded/ colonized Algeria to free the White slaves ( not only French) and abolish Islamic slavery of black abeed. Italy joined the Global White Supremacy and invaded Lybia to free all the slaves.
England was still hunting and shooting at Islamic slaver ships in the late 1800s. Example: 1888 Zanzibar slave ship.
It was Industrialization, and resource extraction that empowered white people to defeat the AntiRacist Islamic Enslavers. The key inventions by white people that enabled them to defeat the Islamic state were: industrialization, New World resources ( trees, iron, crops) and African resources ( black slaves), plus Racism ( the idea that people of color should not have white slaves). The Americans were the leaders in establishing White Supremacy/Racism as a Unifying Principle ( Joint Military Doctrine) that enabled white people to cooperate to defeat the AntiRacist Armies of the Islamic State. The French-Ottoman Alliance by French Kings delayed and defeated the Global White Supremacy ( and the Liberation of white people) for several centuries and actively caused the enslavement of millions of white Saqaliba ( and almost caused the Islamic Conquest of Europe and America at the 1683 Siege of Vienna).
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>>527736699
>if it wasn't for christkikes Jews would be exterminated by Roman pagans.
Oh you mean like how they execued Josephus and didn't basically make him their Pocket-Jew?
Y'all are fucking stupid and it could be cured very easily by just reading a fucking book.
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Because what Bob says is basically how it is with both Low Church & High Church Christianity. I am telling you -- they don't give a shit. That is the opinion among trads as well.
This really is the case with True Christianity -- they consider the ancient Hebrews that were slaves in Egypt to be more worthy of being their ancestors than any of their pagan forefathers.
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>>527732395
Mostly under duress of Islamic conquest.
Christianity operated for many centuries as a White Citizenship that entitled one to not be enslaved ( by other christians).
By the early 1800s, White Supremacists had built up enough military power to stop paying Tribute/ Jizya/ Ransom to the Arab/Muslim enslavers of white people. Jefferson bombed Tripoli to free the white slaves ( not only Americans). And America fought the Second Barbary War to free the white slaves ( not only Americans) again. Then in 1816, England joined the GLOBAL WHITE SUPREMACY and English Lord Exmouth bombed Algeria to free the White (and black) slaves of the Islamic State. In 1830, the Democracy of France joined the Global White Supremacy and bombed/Invaded/ colonized Algeria to free the White slaves ( not only French) and abolish Islamic slavery of black abeed. Italy joined the Global White Supremacy and invaded Lybia to free all the slaves.
England was still hunting and shooting at Islamic slaver ships in the late 1800s. Example: 1888 Zanzibar slave ship.
It was Industrialization, and resource extraction that empowered white people to defeat the AntiRacist Islamic Enslavers. The key inventions by white people that enabled them to defeat the Islamic state were: industrialization, New World resources ( trees, iron, crops) and African resources ( black slaves), plus Racism ( the idea that people of color should not have white slaves). The Americans were the leaders in establishing White Supremacy/Racism as a Unifying Principle ( Joint Military Doctrine) that enabled white people to cooperate to defeat the AntiRacist Armies of the Islamic State. The French-Ottoman Alliance by French Kings delayed and defeated the Global White Supremacy ( and the Liberation of white people) for several centuries and actively caused the enslavement of millions of white Saqaliba ( and almost caused the Islamic Conquest of Europe and America at the 1683 Siege of Vienna).
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>>527736851
>Christianity operated for many centuries as a White Citizenship that entitled one to not be enslaved ( by other christians).
It never was. That is painfully obvious today as Christianity went global and is not restricted to the West, so even it was -- it certainly is not anymore.
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>>527736699
>First christians persecuted pagans
Necer happened in any meaningful amount, they volunteeraly converted for the most part.
> If it wasn't for christkikes Jews would be exterminated by Roman pagans.
Kikes didn't even exist at the height of Rome, your talmudic cult is a relatively recent invention.
And it was Rome and Greece that basicly created and spread Christianity.
Cope!
> Hadrian exterminated jews.
Never happened.
The only source for this nonesense is Josephus and his oldest books are dated to the 11th century CE, no historian worth his salt takes this BS seriously.
You DIRTY kike rat!
> Not christkikes who worhip them as gods.
I would hardly call, mass slaughter, forced segregation and campaigns of ethnic cleansing "worship".
The byzzies alone refused to let you kike subhumans to get involved in education, banking or governing, you were kept in ghettos.
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>>527737019
If you are ruled by people that actually love you. Naturally they will want less chaos and the best for you. But you only chose people that like you on the surface level, literally skin level.
Why are you so easy to seduced?
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>>527733357
Christianity operated for many centuries as a White Citizenship that entitled one to not be enslaved ( by other christians).
Now, RACISM IS SAFETY AND FREEDOM for White Slaves.
By the early 1800s, White Supremacists had built up enough military power to stop paying Tribute/ Jizya/ Ransom to the Arab/Muslim enslavers of white people. Jefferson bombed Tripoli to free the white slaves ( not only Americans). And America fought the Second Barbary War to free the white slaves ( not only Americans) again. Then in 1816, England joined the GLOBAL WHITE SUPREMACY and English Lord Exmouth bombed Algeria to free the White (and black) slaves of the Islamic State. In 1830, the Democracy of France joined the Global White Supremacy and bombed/Invaded/ colonized Algeria to free the White slaves ( not only French) and abolish Islamic slavery of black abeed. Italy joined the Global White Supremacy and invaded Lybia to free all the slaves.
England was still hunting and shooting at Islamic slaver ships in the late 1800s. Example: 1888 Zanzibar slave ship.
It was Industrialization, and resource extraction that empowered white people to defeat the AntiRacist Islamic Enslavers. The key inventions by white people that enabled them to defeat the Islamic state were: industrialization, New World resources ( trees, iron, crops) and African resources ( black slaves), plus Racism ( the idea that people of color should not have white slaves). The Americans were the leaders in establishing White Supremacy/Racism as a Unifying Principle ( Joint Military Doctrine) that enabled white people to cooperate to defeat the AntiRacist Armies of the Islamic State. The French-Ottoman Alliance by French Kings delayed and defeated the Global White Supremacy ( and the Liberation of white people) for several centuries and actively caused the enslavement of millions of white Saqaliba ( and almost caused the Islamic Conquest of Europe and America at the 1683 Siege of Vienna).
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>>527737018
Oh look more kikes.
Funny how the West degraded only when Christianity was abandoned.
Funny allowing you kikes to infest Western countries and legalizing usury against the dictates of Christianity led to this shitshow.
Fuck you, DIRTY KIKE RATS!
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>>527733957
Christiandom operated for many centuries as a White Citizenship that entitled one to not be enslaved ( by other christians).
Now, RACISM IS SAFETY AND FREEDOM for White Slaves.
By the early 1800s, White Supremacists had built up enough military power to stop paying Tribute/ Jizya/ Ransom to the Arab/Muslim enslavers of white people. Jefferson bombed Tripoli to free the white slaves ( not only Americans). And America fought the Second Barbary War to free the white slaves ( not only Americans) again. Then in 1816, England joined the GLOBAL WHITE SUPREMACY and English Lord Exmouth bombed Algeria to free the White (and black) slaves of the Islamic State. In 1830, the Democracy of France joined the Global White Supremacy and bombed/Invaded/ colonized Algeria to free the White slaves ( not only French) and abolish Islamic slavery of black abeed. Italy joined the Global White Supremacy and invaded Lybia to free all the slaves.
England was still hunting and shooting at Islamic slaver ships in the late 1800s. Example: 1888 Zanzibar slave ship.
It was Industrialization, and resource extraction that empowered white people to defeat the AntiRacist Islamic Enslavers. The key inventions by white people that enabled them to defeat the Islamic state were: industrialization, New World resources ( trees, iron, crops) and African resources ( black slaves), plus Racism ( the idea that people of color should not have white slaves). The Americans were the leaders in establishing White Supremacy/Racism as a Unifying Principle ( Joint Military Doctrine) that enabled white people to cooperate to defeat the AntiRacist Armies of the Islamic State. The French-Ottoman Alliance by French Kings delayed and defeated the Global White Supremacy ( and the Liberation of white people) for several centuries and actively caused the enslavement of millions of white Saqaliba ( and almost caused the Islamic Conquest of Europe and America at the 1683 Siege of Vienna).
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2011 tier counter jihad nonesense.
I love how you kikes desperately want Christians to fight your wars in the nigger east while also doing everything you can to de-legitimise Christianity.
You will always be the enemy.
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>>527736577
is that so? in that case once the infinite shitskins overtake everything and revert to their usual tribal beliefs (as they have done countless times before only sometimes adding Jesus as some other add on to their tribal pantheon) will that be proof of their retarded nigger rituals and hindu poop festivals being superior than Christianity? after all you should have no problem kicking them out but fact is your religion will not better than theirs since you are forced to live with them and will be overtaken by them
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>>527731087
>thousands of centuries
??? math hard
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>>527734529
Wow. True.
Christianity operated for many centuries as a White Citizenship that entitled one to not be enslaved ( by other christians).
Now, RACISM IS SAFETY AND FREEDOM for White Slaves.
By the early 1800s, White Supremacists had built up enough military power to stop paying Tribute/ Jizya/ Ransom to the Arab/Muslim enslavers of white people. Jefferson bombed Tripoli to free the white slaves ( not only Americans). And America fought the Second Barbary War to free the white slaves ( not only Americans) again. Then in 1816, England joined the GLOBAL WHITE SUPREMACY and English Lord Exmouth bombed Algeria to free the White (and black) slaves of the Islamic State. In 1830, the Democracy of France joined the Global White Supremacy and bombed/Invaded/ colonized Algeria to free the White slaves ( not only French) and abolish Islamic slavery of black abeed. Italy joined the Global White Supremacy and invaded Lybia to free all the slaves.
England was still hunting and shooting at Islamic slaver ships in the late 1800s. Example: 1888 Zanzibar slave ship.
It was Industrialization, and resource extraction that empowered white people to defeat the AntiRacist Islamic Enslavers. The key inventions by white people that enabled them to defeat the Islamic state were: industrialization, New World resources ( trees, iron, crops) and African resources ( black slaves), plus Racism ( the idea that people of color should not have white slaves). The Americans were the leaders in establishing White Supremacy/Racism as a Unifying Principle ( Joint Military Doctrine) that enabled white people to cooperate to defeat the AntiRacist Armies of the Islamic State. The French-Ottoman Alliance by French Kings delayed and defeated the Global White Supremacy ( and the Liberation of white people) for several centuries and actively caused the enslavement of millions of white Saqaliba ( and almost caused the Islamic Conquest of Europe and America at the 1683 Siege of Vienna).
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HP Lovecraft on Christianity:
>In the later stages of decay Christianity undoubtedly did harm through its exaltation of softness, justice, and universal brotherhood, and its demand for the renunciation of earthly ties and loyalty; but it is a mistake to consider this the principal cause of decline, as some do. Rome would never have adopted this mawkish slave-religion if it had not begun to acquire the soft slave-mind and the subtle slave-religion of human equality. The nation, through other causes, had come psychologically unfitted for the traditional classic polytheism and the virile schools of philosophy. Itself decadent, it had begun to demand something like the slave-faiths and mystically consolatory cults of the long-decadent East.
>It was pure accident that Christianity won--but once it did win, it undeniably did harm through its weakening effect on patriotism. It sapped at the vigorously nationalistic cast of the Roman mind, and made the people feel that the identity--or even the nature--of their earthly government was comparatively inessential.
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>>527737951
the jewish one? no. i do enjoy talking about the roman, greek, Celtic and even Norse ones though, after all its important to understand and reflect on the beliefs that defined my races cultures for the majority of its existence. Whats your thoughts on Sol Invictus?
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>>527738289
>I don't care about it. Why should I care about something that hate me?
eh figured Christians might at least have some positive thoughts about Sol Invictus considering Christianity basically co-opted tones of his followers imagery and practices into itself in order to make itself more palatable to whites.
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>>527736094
>The guy who strokes with a broad brush and only zooms into the white people one is jewish
Yes
You never call out Judaism specifically, make threads like these on Jewish holidays like Passover or directly challenge Judaism in any direct way and instead go AAAAALLLL RELIGIONS
Then to add more to it when you press people like you they respond by getting basic shit about jews, judeism and jewish culture wrong then cope by going LOL WHO CARES when they get called out about the fact they spam saying how much they hate jews but don't know a single thing about them
You're a fucking phoney and lie like a jew breaths
Go try to pidgeon hole me like you always do with people that call you out because you can't actually argue just spam spam spam and target the commonly viewed as white people thing
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>>527738690
Personally i think that his followers application of the roman virtues (particularly the combination of Humor and Tenacity) to be very applicable to the modern day, being able to maintain levity and enjoyment while also maintaining a firm moral stance against the many evils that plague modern life is essential to having any chance to win against evil. after all trying to fight evil without experiencing what makes life worthwhile will only drive you to nihilism and insanity.
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>>527733217
What's funny is that even the Talmud explicitly affirms Jesus' jewishness, since he's contrasted with a goy heretic. The goy gets a worse punishment, although I don't remember which boiled in excrement and which boiled in semen. You'd have to ask a rabbi on which is worse.
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>>527738939
>You never call out Judaism specificall
Every single anti jew worshipping christkike person calls specifically against judaism you fucking moron. You are the ones who will go into mental gymnastics to protect jewish fairytales you believe and accuse people who wipe their asses with your holy bible with jewish torah with muslim quran of being jews. While you are worshipping one as your god. How the fuck can people saying STOP WORSHIPING JEW AND FOLLOWING JEWISH BULLSHIT YOU FUCKING RETARD not go against jews?! Noone protects Jews and hteir fake history like you christkikes.
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>>527739305
>What's evil about modern life?
Dude its fucking obvious that we are being ruled by a group of evil jewish child rapists and their golems and you ask me that?
but to answer your question we live in a time where being good at lying is the most valuable skill one can have, where actual competence is subject to worse treatment than verbal manipulation. any form of family and community is broken apart further day by day by hundreds of different factors atomizing perfectly fine people from each other driving them to mental illness. children are exposed to gore and sex before they hit middle school, prostitution is not just common its to be expected making marriage a joke, a girl can make a million dollars from starting an only fans as soon as she his 18 while a man may work for the good of others and not be able to afford even a small house. war lasts forever and never for any just causes, Assassination are used to fuel online gambling that places bets on everything from sports to whether or not a whore can suck off 100 men. all this is happening while our elite imports tides of violent brown hoards who further devolve the living standers and who themselves are simply a new type of slave.
this doesn't even scratch the tip of the iceberg either but safe to say i feel very confident in modern life being evil
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>abandons Christianity
>life turns into shit
>needs to rationalize why life went to shit after telling christianity to kick rocks
>Oh I know! Christianity mindraped wypipo into cutting off their dicks and invite foreigners to occupy our lands. Eventhough this goes against everything the Bible preaches
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>>527737951
>Yahweh
>God
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>>527740651
i have seen blood since the first time i saw a nigger shoot a spic outside my school in the second grade to the time i saw some of my closest friends die to some drugs that they got in a hospital. and i can know evil because unlike what you say it does not even try to hide it's simply ignored as if it were the landscape around us
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>>527731294
>Pride is a sin, same as Gluttony. Both lead to the same result. Death, pain, and suffering.
Christcuck, live lead to the same result death pain and suffering, so keep you castrate theories for yourself
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>>527731087
You're just a Satanic kike who want to replace Christianity with a much worse ideology.
The founding fathers were Christians but they decided to wisely separate church and state.
They wanted to avoid a situation such as in Britain where kikes had taken over the church and created a Satanic tyranny.
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>>527731087
I've been thinking about this question quite a bit recently. And it becomes more and more obvious the more I dive into my studies. The CQ bubbled up in my brain this morning as well.
I also just visited a bookstore, sat down for a few hours and read an interesting book on the german perspective of european history. Europe: The Struggle for Supremacy, it was called, I think. The main theme characterized by the author, or rather Germany's fundamental struggle, as he called it, was the problem of "encirclement". Mainly in the terms of geographic and diplomatic. But in relation to the threads theme, I believe history demonstrates a similiar "spiritual" encirclement of the indo-european civilization by the abrahamic civilizations as well. And I think it's a useful lense through which to view our situation. When we entered the Old World during the bronze age, and throughout the iron age (Rome and Greece) we totally humiliated the semitic civilizations. Nearly destroyed them outright. It's only logical to realize that in the face of their military failure, they would pivot strategy to a different form or domain of conquest, i.e. the pen over the sword.
There was also a quote from Hitler in the book, one that struck a cord with me. To paraphrase, he predicted that in the future (several centuries, perhaps), Germany would naturally find itself in an existential struggle for survival against the US. Historically, Hitler used this as justification for why Germany may need to secure Lebensraum towards the east, settleable land to close the population gap towards the US. So that Germany (and Europe) and her peoples might not to be swallowed and destroyed by the encirclement by "Anglo-Judaism". Now the author, as I understand (and it would be natural to conclude this), saw WW2 as the result of that prediction. But at the cost of seeming somewhat "prophetic" or mad, I wonder if the grander view might be more true.
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Every single LARPagan anti-Christian is a pseud. There are no exceptions. None of you are smart. None of you are well-read. None of you are capable of sound logical reasoning, doing thorough research, or being smarter than an average normie midwit though you imagine otherwise. Every single criticism you boils down to baseless sweeping aesthetic judgements or logical fallacies. Sincerely, you are the biggest fags on this website by far.
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>>527742044
You are nothing withouth God.
You are currently a poop eating, cuckold fetishist, communist german faggot. Thats your destiny and legacy and why you will be overtaken by muzzies.
Daddy Thor wont save you now.
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>>527742044
seeing it from afar is indeed very telling: indo-europeans had been battering the near east for millennia at that point, Anatolians, then Mitanni, then Iranics, then Armenians, then Greeks, then Romans, indo-europeans were the ones doing the pushing
but with the emergence of abrahamic religion, things are turned around, within few centuries indo-europeans lose control of the entirety of MENA, muslims conquer it and get as far as controlling Spain while christianity begins its process of mindbreaking through its conquest of Rome via the jewish patented march through the institutions
and now a millennia or so later semites are basically wiping us out, and most of the population still can't see the face of the enemy right in front of them
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>>527742353
>you are the biggest fags on the site
Seethe some more.
It's not only an aesthetic judgement: you christfags worship a jew, subverted and destroyed everything to seal jew worship, and continue to this day to degrade us to worshipping a zombie jew in rags and to build him more palaces.
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Half of /pol/ is extremely adamant about their jew worship and get their panties in a bunch because their king of the jews is frankly the only thing they truly care about.
The more it is that you fags only care about this king of the jews, the more I want to watch you faggots get angry over your bullshit.
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>>527731087
What is your point? Christianity is a dead religion in the West and has been for a long time, the West is a secular atheist society, everything else is a lie, all you see now is the result of that, why are you sperging about Christianity when all that's left is barren carcass dragging itself across a field to it's already digged grave, are you not a fan of modern society? This is what you wanted after all correct?
>the entire identities of peoples built, cultures lost
If you knew how much of history was made up on the spot you'd probably not say this at all, we know fuck all about history, it's literally a set of lies agreed upon as Napoleon said, and he couldn't have been more right
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>>527743593
with a napoleon disease, another manlet jewish gerontophile? homosexual limpdick who loved to kill White Christians natives of europe while placing all his relatives as rulers of various nations like jews love to do.
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>>527743627
modern society didn't appear out of thin air and there was no conscious break off from christianity for the vast majority of the population, which was easily led from one to the other with little resistance
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>Christianity is a dead religion in the West and has been for a long time, the West is a secular atheist society, everything else is a lie, all you see now is the result of that, why are you sperging about Christianity when all that's left is barren carcass dragging itself across a field to it's already digged grave
Yes, even Enlightenment/Liberal society is preferable to worshipping the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- to Yahweh and Yeshua -- to Moses and the prophets.
I would much rather the West be an Atlantis than New Jewrusalem.
>are you not a fan of modern society?
The West finally escaped out of this mental institute of Christianity after having been in a bind for so long--but that doesn't mean that after being in a mental daze for so long that it would be healed.
I'm not weeping any tears for the death of Christianity and the loss of the occasion to shill the Torah and Gospel. I'm glad the French Revolution happened and saved us from it, if there is anything laudable in it.
I'm glad the French Revolution severed--
- The centrality of worshipping the King of the Jews
- Making the West into New Jerusalem (because Christians don't like the West if it is not New Jerusalem, which the Cathedrals represent).
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I lament that the French Revolution didn't go far enough in trying to rid us of Christianity. I disagree with other pagan anons who lament the French Revolution or quote Julius Evola to say he has all the values before the French Revolution -- because otherwise he would have been a Christian.
They tried to make a French Revolutionary calendar and to replace the religion -- which is laudable an effort.
Yet there is still much work to do.
The Cathedrals or palaces of Christ the King of the Jews are still standing after having destroyed all our temples and idols.
Western people are still accepting cultural Christianity, even atheists sort of celebrate Christmas.
Western people are still naming their children after Old Testament Jews with names such as David, John, Adam, etc--which shows you how awful Christianity has had an impact in erasing our culture and re-naming us after Old Testament Jews.
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>but that doesn't mean that after being in a mental daze for so long that it would be healed.
It won't ever heal, because that wasn't the goal of the Revolution
>I'm glad the French Revolution happened
Are you retarded? The French Revolution destroyed any good future this continent...world could have possibly had, Europe cemented itself firmly in the banker's asses, every major problem today almost can be traced back to that hellish event, but you keep on cheering for it, since you think it saved us, the people, when it did nothing but place our destiny into a set of predetermined events that we have no longer the control to affect and can only watch in horror transpire before our eyes, but that doesn't matter as long as Christianity is destroyed correect? Even if are all to become eternal proles to an Anglo-Judean World Order correct?
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>>527731087
You're disregarding the problem of stupid people. Seriously. Some people are not born with the software to handle even daily critical thinking. To sit for 30 seconds and think about which route to take to work. Or notice their dog is poorly behaved and take a few hours to learn techniques, instead of just letting the dog be shitty. There are a lot of lazy-brained people. Religion is a tangible story to help them understand why civil behavior is necessary for social cohesion. Because they are literally too stupid to stop for 30 seconds and visualize what "civil behavior" and "social cohesion" are.
That being said, I read the Bible because it's incredible insight into my own human nature and how to improve.
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>>527744544
Yes, the French Revolutionary effort to cure us of Christianity is laudable.
Again, to this day, we're naming our children after OLD TESTAMENT JEWS! I myself have an Old Testament Jew name.
The goal of Christianity is not to build The West, but to destroy it and make it New Jerusalem -- so we can be Spiritual Israelites.
The destruction of Christianity at any cost is worthwhile to reclaim our heritage.
I have to even agree with Rousseau in what he said about Christianity.
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>>527744413
you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater, pre revolutionary Europe isn't simply "christianity" and post revolutionary Europe "non christianity", to use a Nietzschean expression, you have to look at the genealogy of the morals involved here, the french revolutionary spirit in particular its populist-plebeian orgiastic violence against the ancient regime in the name of libertè egalitè fraternitè has the stench of the universalism of jewish mentality, while the ancient regime, formally christian, still had at least in form the mindset of pre-christian order
Dante, formally a "christian", has more in common with a pagan Roman than many atheists today
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>>527744648
Christianity for the purpose of social cohesion / social conservatism is frankly not viable.
But first off, it is scathing to esteem the Old Testament Jews over all our ancestors--but that is what Christians do, they venerate and act like the Jews in Egypt and in exile, regarding all their homelands as some kind of Babylonian Captivity and Egypt itself--which they lambast as "Secular Society" which to them is Egypt / Babylon -- let me repeat, the West, all nations we are born of -- is Egypt / Babylonian Captivity, from the viewpoint of Christianity, until it becomes New Jerusalem / The Church.
I know a good chunk of you are accepting Christianity for social reasons like you state, but let me tell you I was on that boat before and have come to see that Christianity is -not- viable for social cohesion at all.
The true nature of this is exposed when Christianity is in the minority--they become like syangogue jews looking out at gentile society, at the unwashed masses, hurling "secular" to describe the state of "the world" and spiting them.
Not even when society is fully washed in Christianity does Christianity finally accept lay people and give up this mentality.
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>>527742386
I'm not a pagan. I'm probably more right-wing than you are, too. I dont actually hate christianity, also, unlike jewry or islam, which I both find disgusting. I greatly appreciate a lot of the culture, music, art and architecture european christians produced. But I can distinguish their capacity to produce it being due to the european part, not the christian part, although christianity, like all religion, is of course a great source of inspiration for human imagination. But if the european part where not the pertinent half, christian africa should, by that sort of reasoning, be experiencing a cultural flowering unparalleled in human history. And yet Africa remains a shithole, who's level of art and craftsmanship still doesnt match even the more primitive "non-christian" art of the pre-christian european bronze or iron ages.
Religion and spirituality are fundamental parts of being human. I would think that you'd agree with me that replacing it with atheism/liberalism is not the solution. But that doesnt mean I have to turn a blind eye to the macro consequences of our people worshipping an enemy god (Yahwe).
This conclusion I draw because ultimately, if given the choice between a white, non-christian Europe, or a non-white, christian Europe, I will always choose the former.
Meanwhile every christian I meet either evades answering this question, or reveals he'd rather betray his own kin/family for the middle-eastern god.
>>527743913
>LE BOOTSTRAPS!
I think this demonstrates the christian problem well. The suppression of an organized response to problems of organizational scale (i.e. all problems of modern liberalism/modernism/leftism/jewry)by trying to moralize/virtue signal on the individual level is a universal tactic employed by all of the anti-european ideologies.
>Let he who be sinless throw the first stone!
>Check your priviledge!
>Sit down, shut up and let a black kween/woman/minority nigger speak!
>etc etc
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>>527744951
It is still not worth holding onto.
Better to toss out the baby and the bathwater if it has become an abomination.
I wouldn't flinch if all the cathedrals/churches were closed down and demolished no matter how beautiful or old, because they stand as a testimony to another Nation opposed to ours -- the Cathedral represents New Jerusalem in spite of all nations and all cities of our own and New Jerusalem wants to be the ONLY CITY on which all other cities burn -- that I say away with New Jerusalem.
Yes, even a French Revolutionary orgasm of violence is called for. You have to fight fire with fire. I'm not content to keep Christianity because of any pretense that it actually preserves paganism and our culture--when it has in fact sought to replace and uproot it.
We are better off starting from scratch.
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Another unpopular opinion: Rousseau is right--what Rousseau is saying here is basically what all pagan anons on /pol/ discreetly dislike about Christianity.
Rousseau Social Contract pages 67 through 73.
https://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/rousseau1762.pdf
>You may ask: ‘Why were there no wars of religion in the pagan world, where each state had its own form of worship and its own gods?’
My reply is that just because each state had its own form of worship as well as its own government, no state distinguished its gods from its laws. Political war was also theological war; the gods had, so to speak, provinces that were fixed by the boundaries of nations. The god of one people had no right over other peoples. The gods of the pagans were not jealous gods
>This was the situation when Jesus came to set up on earth a spiritual kingdom, which, by separating the theological from the political system, destroyed the unity of the state, and caused the internal divisions that never ceased to trouble Christian peoples. This new idea of a kingdom of 'the other world' could never have occurred to pagans, so they always regarded the Christians as really rebels.
>But this religion, having no special relation to the body politic, leaves the laws with only the force they draw from themselves without adding anything to it; which means that one of the great bonds for uniting the society of the given country is left idle. Worse: so far from binding the citizens' hearts to the state, it detaches them from that and from all earthly things. I know of nothing more contrary to the social spirit.
>They tell us that a populace of true Christians would form the most perfect society imaginable. I see only one great difficulty about this idea, namely that a society of true Christians wouldn't be a society of men.
>Christianity is an entirely spiritual religion, occupied solely with heavenly things; the Christian's country is not of this world.
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>>527745302
but I don't think you are seeing the main issue here, the most fundamental aspects of christianity particularly its universalistic guilt-based moral framework and psychological terror did not go anywhere, look around you, if you get rid of the glorified synagogues but don't address the meat of the problem you are going to have temples to the worship of martyred niggers, this is what we are at now, the vast majority of self-proclaimed atheists morally speaking are understood better as a new christian sect against the old chrstian sects rather than as something separate
while getting rid of the jewish symbolic matrix would be good, if you don't get at the source of the problem, you may see it replaced with equally abominable cults
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>>527745505
>But I'm wrong to speak of a Christian republic--those terms are mutually exclusive. Christianity preaches only servitude and dependence. Its spirit is so favourable to tyranny that it always profits by such a régime. Genuine Christians are made to be slaves, and they know it and don't much mind: this short life counts for too little in their eyes.
-Rousseau
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>>527745533
>you may see it replaced with equally abominable cults
No, because at least then we can step forward from trying to be spiritual Jews, that a wild jump into post-Revolutionary chaos is preferable.
At least the French Revolution tried to make something new and actually make new institutions to replace it.
Syncretism/allowing the Christian pretense to foster is worse. You have to remember that Christians destroyed equally as much and put to death many for the assertion of their cult -- we should celebrate the French Revolution simply because it meant the end of that awful chapter of when we tried to larp as spiritual jews and make our land into a new jerusalem.
Even Atheism is preferable.
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What Rousseau is saying is a valid criticism of Christianity.
Most Christians would say that it was the separation of Church and State -- that is exactly what Rousseau accuses Christianity of doing: Rousseau says that Christianity separated our identity and native culture as a people from our religion -- Christianity perpetually separates and makes antagonistic the ends of Church and State.
Christianity will never be content with political society--it considers it "The Secular" and thereby inconsiderable--that is what all the pagan anons are upset with, Christianity sees no value in trying to preserve our heritage down here or trying to make a formible society--unless it is wholly woven as Church, but it never quite is--even when everyone is Christian, the lay people are still lay people, Christian rulers are still considered secular or temporal rulers, the rest of society is still juxtaposed to High Church pretenses--Christianity is never content or happy with the state of civil society, because Christians regard their true homeland as New Jerusalem, and Christians regard themselves as descendants of the Jews who were slaves in the Old Testament.
Like those Jews, they look at their OWN HOMELANDS as Babylons or Egypts, and always see a Pharaoh or Nero figure trying to pull them out of the abode of their churches and into society.
It wasn't that the Enlightenment failed to unite Church and State, but it was Christianity which severed it from the very beginning.
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>>>527731087 (thread magick-limit reached)
Now Then, In the Name of “Jupiter-Shekhinah”:
As those who bless any tax-payer of Proto-Indo-European descent are blessed in all ways,
So those who curse any tax-payer of Proto-Indo-European descent are cursed in all ways. Selah.
Collaterally, “It is Fixed.” Amen, so mote it be. [ 𑣆 𑣆 𑣆 ]
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The Trad Christian attitude to this resurgence in nationalism is exactly like what you see in the Middle East and with Islamists.
They do not give a crap about the state of the West or Western Civilization, except the civilization of New Jerusalem, which covers all peoples/persons who accept Christianity.
What Rousseau says that Christianity severed the social bonds is accurate: the Christian attitude is like the Islamists say,
>Paganism is Patriotism
Because when you juxtapose a True Christian quote such as
>“I am a Christian. He who answers thus has declared everything at once—his country, profession, family; the believer belongs to no city on earth but to the heavenly Jerusalem.”
St. John Chrysostom
With Cicero:
>"So that you may be the readier to defend the Constitution, know this: for all who have preserved their fatherland, furthered it, enriched it, there is in heaven a sure and allotted abode, where they may enjoy an immortality of happiness."
-Cicero
>"For nothing happens in the world more pleasing to that supreme Deity, who governs all the universe, than those gatherings and unions of men allied by common laws, which are called states. From this place do their rulers and guardians set out, and to this place do they return."
-Cicero
>"Exercise this soul in the noblest activities. Now the noblest are cares and exertions for our country's welfare."
-Cicero
>"But when with a rational spirit you have surveyed the whole field, there is no social relation among them all the more close, none more dear than that which links each one of us with our country. Parents are dear; dear are children, relatives, friends; but one native land embraces all our loves; and who that is true would hesitate to give his life for her, if by his death he could render her a service?"
-Cicero
That proves that courting Christianity for social reasons is flawed.
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People look at declawed Christianity and want to court it for social reasons to fix contemporary problems -- but they haven't really lived under Christendom -- they are mostly secular people... who want to use Christianity for social utility. They see a declawed Christianity. What they don't know is how pedantic and opposed to social ends Christianity truly is, esp. if you're a nationalist.
They are looking at a wounded cub and thinking they could nurture this cub into a strong lion... but this strong lion will eat you and make a tyranny of its own.
Christianity from the days of its persecution under the Roman Emperors has hide away in the darkness and looked at society with contempt: it has always kept its pretenses of Death to the World and hatred of gentile society and their idols--it was never a very sociable cult unless you give absolutely everything to it, but that cucks you.
The more you play into the Christian cult and raise new generations of childrens to be Christians... spiritual jews... you'll come to regret that decision as they join hands to destroy us for New Jerusalem's sake.
That dislike of society and groveling hatred has never left Christianity since the Nero Persecution.