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>your type?
>whats the coolest or most exciting dream you've had lately or ever?
>is there a game you were really good at or wanted to get betters at? what's your favorite memory related to it?
>would you rather people be kind towards you or polite? what's the difference to you?
>what does friend mean to you? what do you think the ideal friend should be like?
>Sakinorva tests
https://sakinorva.net/functions
>attitudinal type/nu-psychosophy
https://www.attitudinalpsyche.com/take-the-test/
>16 personalities (the best test)
https://www.16personalities.com/
>MBTI test (don't screen cap your IP btw)
https://jupiter-34.appspot.com
>Jungian types tl;dr
https://wikisocion.github.io/content/psychological_types.html
>Big 5
https://www.personalityassessor.com/big-five2/
>paste your old messages and get typed
https://www.uclassify.com/browse/g4mes543/myers-briggs-type-indicator- text-analyzer?input=Text
>Associative MBTI/Jungian test
https://watchwordtest.com/wtitle2.html
>Turbie-Wurbie's Cutesy Test Link Compilation! UwU:
https://web.archive.org/web/20231220103736/https://pastebin.com/QK0uSJ aT
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>>your type?
INTJ
>>whats the coolest or most exciting dream you've had lately or ever?
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Had a dream like that where I got eviscerated by a smoothbore cannon and immediately got reincarnated in one piece elsewhere. Unnervingly ticklish for every nerve ending. Nerves retruncating and invading themselves sort of thing.
>>83757286
i.e. you'd be always related to ice cream because you could eat it? That makes anything related to anything. Maybe crack open a dictionary and quote it, if you want to be pedantic? Because nobody's accepting you warping common and established words like that, so your "dialect" is born on arrival...
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>>83758284
>born on arrival...
...as DEAD!
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>>83758328
Huh just falling?
I mean so far I had deaths from stuff like:
>hit by a train (a few times)
>stabbed (a few times)
>eaten alive (by animals, monsters. Had been common before)
>nuked (not uncommon)
>the Moon or a planet falling onto the Earth (not uncommon)
>some star explosion from far away bringing so much plasma to the solar system that the Sun explodes (two times)
>falling (usually as a means to exit a bad dream. I had stopped doing that as an dream escape a long time ago once it stopped working, so it's only used as repositioning)
>cannons, missiles (a few times)
>dead under earthquake rubble (once)
>shot by myself hunting myself (once)
Damn I wonder if there any connection between the type stack and the dream tendencies?
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>>83758478
That's a lot of them wow
>Damn I wonder if there any connection between the type stack and the dream tendencies?
Probably a weak correlation at best. They are supposed to represent unconscious contents, and we know that does have a connection with the inferior attitude/function, but it's absolutely not limited to.
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>>83758169
copy-pasted from the last thread...
>>your type?
ESFP-T
>>whats the coolest or most exciting dream you've had lately or ever?
The most exciting dream I can remember was roller-blading with my ESFJ as we were being chased through an industrial park by a tyrannosaurus. I had a weird one last night where I got lost in a big building and ended up in this room full of people in Starfleet uniforms arguing about the newest Star Trek series; but they were arguing the way anonymous people argue on the internet.
>>is there a game you were really good at or wanted to get betters at? what's your favorite memory related to it?
I was pretty good at Spyro the Dragon. I remember how psyched I was when I got 100% on Tree Tops.
>>would you rather people be kind towards you or polite? what's the difference to you?
I think being kind includes being polite, so I'll take kind.
>>what does friend mean to you? what do you think the ideal friend should be like?
Someone who'd blow their whole weekend to help you move.
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... I was restructuring the link list to include all the best that have been pruned and lost to the annals throughout various faction splits and melty tantrums!
But a socialfagging-oriented OP with incorrect ratio of on-topic to "Get the people socializing so they build serviceable bonds conducive to long-term eloquent and productive conversation" prompts! You should include at least three overtly typological/psychological prompts and one bonus question! No less, and no oberabundance of /soc/ fodder!
I'm mad---not disappointed! We'll see you after we get too windburnt to touch any more dead, frosty grass. *grumble grumble kvetch life's a beach moaning as you turn all her wetness to whine yadda yadda something et cetera*
I call next bake for "Subjectivity Edition"!
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BICH ARE THOSE THE ACTUAL SUBS??? jejmaaaoooo
I've always been [angsty hipster contrarian] towards PreCure because it's in the obligatory 'Mahou Shoujo you should also like if you like [BEST MANGA]' brackets along with like Ojamajo DoReMi. And I have a few decent folders full of cures that remind me of [BEST WITCH], but other than that.. Maybe I'll have to give it a fair shot. I've been loving the caps you've been posting, for sure.Also always good to have another """filename jew""" around
>translate
When does translation of thing become outright Transmutation of a thing? :o3c
>VVILL
Understandable counterpoint, however, I counter-counter: L2LLaL'l !
Channeling is just going full retard in FULL FVITH! Selah
Empty your Self of yourself and see what rushes in
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THIS FUCKING TWINK CANT POSSIBLY BE SNAKING IN ON MY *OTHER* FAVORITE WHITE-HAIRED SAGE ARCHETYPE CHARACTER NOOOOOO NO NO NO THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN PEOPLE LIKING THINGS I DONT LIKE IS PEOPLE LIKING THINGS I LIKE IN THE WRONG WAYYYY REE
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>>83758596
>I call next bake for "Subjectivity Edition"!
Time to shitpost about the subjective factor for a week straight.
>I've always been [angsty hipster contrarian] towards PreCure
Somewhat understandable because it's not even trying to hide the fact they really want to shill toys to little girls. BUT it has its moments, Heartcatch as a whole being the most known example of just being a good fucking show(and Jungian as hell, very symbolism-friendly in general too) even if you don't care about the series at all. So much that Uro admitted that if he watched HC first, Madoka would have looked a little more like it.
The latest one, Kimi to Idol is... well, I found it fun enough but has a lot of problems, and at the cost of sounding very stereotypical, so much fucking wasted potential in everything.
>BICH ARE THOSE THE ACTUAL SUBS??? jejmaaaooooOf course not
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>When does translation of thing become outright Transmutation of a thing? :o3c
When your have a job in localization. Then we aren't even trying to stay faithful to the original meaning anymore and possibly throwing in your political agenda.
Not that much of an issue in anime to be fair but I also play some vidyagaems
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>>83757522
>I read that as symbols not being attached to one function or attitude, as in, they aren't inherently a product of the introverted attitude or intuition function, for instance.
Interesting, because that's not what was said there. That is what was said later: >>83752117
>Symbols are really only defined by {perception and/or interpretation} AND {collective conscious and/or collective unconscious}.
Not only that, but this line, and your interpretation of it, which I share, by the way. CONTRADICTS THE PREVIOUS LINE. If symbols are defined, perceived, understood and/or observed through perception and judgment, then by that very nature, they *ARE* related. And that's precisely why the line is a misrepresentation.
You've proven my point ***EXACTLY***, to a fucking tee.
If a function is used to interact with an archetype/symbol, then by that very nature they are related. Which is the exact point I made in my original reply:
>"That would be like saying your eyes are unrelated to trees, or your tongue is unrelated to cake."
Yes, your eyes and a tree it observes are directly and observably distinct. But they ARE related.
You're just proving that you haven't read, or didn't understand what I was saying. Because I've literally already addressed what you're saying. AND you're proving the point I was making.
So much for differentiated thinking.
>>83758284
>you'd be always related to ice cream because you could eat it? That makes anything related to anything.
Could? No.
Do? Yes.
By eating the ice cream you have necessarily entered into a relationship with it through experience. This is exactly why theoretical knowledge does not equate to experiential understanding.
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>>83758973
Au contraire my friend, they were uplifted AND promoted!I'm not paidenough...
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>>83759079
Are ice creams eaten by you all the time? No? Then fuck off...
Same with symbols.
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>your type?
ENTJ
>whats the coolest or most exciting dream you've had lately or ever?
One time I stabbed an alien/demon in a dream. I was having nightmares of it chasing me then I got really mad, and turned around and stabbed it lol. That's basically it.
>is there a game you were really good at or wanted to get betters at? what's your favorite memory related to it?
I've never gotten obsessively good at a game, I just had fun playing retro games like the final fantasys. Last game I was really excited about was stray.
>would you rather people be kind towards you or polite? what's the difference to you?
I want people to be kind to me, but if they're polite that's fine too.
>what does friend mean to you? what do you think the ideal friend should be like?
Someone who's there for me in the down times and celebrates my up times, and obvious I'm there for them too. I know a couple people like this.
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Well I watched up to episode 8 of Tanya the evil. And yes it is good. I'm shocked, usually someone suggest something and it's not as good as they claim, example would be konosuba which I call brainrot. When the yellow themed masochist character does her bit I cringe inside. But yeah Tanya, I like it, I wouldn't mind being isekai'd into a war world with magical flying powers.
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Somewhere in the middle lectures on the King archetype, Moore pointed out that the one who is lacking in its integration plus has narcissism would be really triggered by any external structure emerging as a psychological, cognitive, cybernetic, autonomous kind of thing.
Hmm...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vWlAzgOOaRw&list=PL879965yJx44OcJaYHi1fO5I ZRH7Fie0F&index=2
I have a necessity to hop onto the magician ones so I won't find the exact quote. I'll just give the starting point.
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wwww
/r/ing the relevant edited Jung quote pictire. I know someone here has it on hand...
>>83759134
>One time I stabbed an alien/demon in a dream. I was having nightmares of it chasing me then I got really mad, and turned around and stabbed it lol.
How did it look like? I had practically the same dream, but had to punch through a shell instead. I wonder if the appearance will add up.
>>83758596
I'm not really following.
>I call next bake for "Subjectivity Edition"
As long as it's not TE...
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>do a test about something you understand nothing about but put 0 effort into understand
>complain that you dont understand the results
>beg for someone else to explain it to you so you can forget in 10 minutes
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>your type?
INFJ-A
>whats the coolest or most exciting dream you've had lately or ever?
Hard to say exactly, I have a lot of weird and neat dreams.
I had this one dream somewhere in the middle of last year, I was at my grandma's house with my cousin and my brother and we were kids. We found this weird glass-cube-thing that was a 9x9 of other fractal smaller cube things inside, and inside those smaller cubes was this weird blue swirly magic shit. While I was looking at it I noticed one of the swirly bits wasn't doing a magic, and upon further inspection the whole thing kinda broke and an alien ship showed up in the sky. Which freaked out my brother and cousin, and they ran off.
Instead of running with them, I watched the ship to see where it went and followed its path in the sky. While following it I came across this smallish wooden fence where a bear and some cubs were doing bear stuff. The cubs noticed me and ran over, they didn't seem hostile and they were just checking me out.
But then the mother bear noticed me and ran over and started eating me, naturally I started to scream in agony, but then a voice said "Stop screaming!"
And I woke up.
>is there a game you were really good at or wanted to get betters at?
There's a bunch of them. I used to be mad good at Guitar Hero when I was younger.
>would you rather people be kind towards you or polite? what's the difference to you?
Kind.
Polite is "socially acceptable".
Kind is real.
>what does friend mean to you? what do you think the ideal friend should be like?
They're on your side, even when you're not on your own side.
>>83759079
Yes. That's what it means.
>>83759090
Something doesn't need to be experienced 100% of the time to have a relationship with it. Don't be stupid.
>>83759111
If you notice I explicitly differentiated the two.
[of course you didn't notice]
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>>83759571
Haiiiii! INFJ-A! \(^_^)/ (Wrap my weiner around yours) GLOMP!
>>83759273
Patchy-chan :3 UwU my elder brother whom discipline me with his dick
>83759134
God i fucking hate biofem ~_~ Grrrrrrrr
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hurrrrdurrrr hurrrreggy durrr
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>>83759974
WRONG the trolling on diarygirl works because she actually has genuine haters, so her simps can't tell the difference. It's called riding a trend. If I suddenly attack Rxy no one is gonna give a shit, maybe 3 years ago they would but not now.
Let me list how easy it is to troll reggies:
>TE
Fairly easy you just have to keep doing it until he snaps and he starts ALL CAP raging.
>INFJ-A
You gotta lure him into thinking he has an easy win over a dumb opponent. He likes to "hold all the cards" and be smug so give him that appearance, and you can make look like a fool.
>Mel
Easy, you lure her in with playful silly roleplaying then start ratcheting up the insults, togatanon was a master at doing this and pissing her off.
>Diarygirl
Extremely easy to troll. I suspect she's a teenager because of this. She'll be quick to be like "KYS REEEEEEE!!!!!"
>Patchy
He does the common midwit practice of narrow framing, where he sets out the topic and narrow rules he expect you to play within so he has an advantage, simply don't play by his rules and mock his tactics and he starts ragging.
>Togatanon
You hit him with psycho edgelords insults like: "I'll fucking cut you the fuck and mail piece of your to your mom for her rest of her life". He tries to blow it off at first but by the 3rd round he's pissed.
>Turbie
Just insult trans people, make of that what you will, but don't do it in a chud way, but in an "rational" "intelligent" sound way.
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>>83759571
>Kind is real.
The only so called 'kind' you've ever openly accepted as your interpretation of "kind" is the one pandering to your narcissism though.
>>83760194
>He does the common midwit practice of narrow framing
Are you saying you're too fatass to fit?
>fatty melty in 3... 2... 1...
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>>INFJ-A
>You gotta lure him into thinking
GOOD LUCK LMFFFAOOOOOO
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Wait so all the reggy hate and drama is just trolls and trolls trolling trolls? Yo this place is fake and gay for real.
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>>83760194
Everybody, settle down. Leave the Diarygirl tranny-projection "Trolling" to ME! A real woman
;3 Ploppppp (poops)
>>83760226
OH SHIT NIGGA OH NOOOOOOOOO
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>>83760221
Ur the dumbest nigger here. IQ is like engine sizes and you gotta like little 3 cylinder mini cooper thinking you're a big truck. All your textwalling is like a someone piling shit on top of tiny car trying to prove they can haul as much, but they end up looking like a clown car. And that's all you are.
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>>83760359
Car analogies worse than INFJ-A's - GRIM - and I didn't even read, I half-skimmed...
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>>83760408
>Troll admits he trolls patchy
>Patchy confirms he read that post
>Troll immediate trolls patchy
>Patchy falls for it
Come on man get a clue.
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>>83760476
Oh yeah? Check his biomarkers.
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Every Turbie posts goes unnoticed like a fart in the wind, so either its that turbie is so largely irrelevant and unnoticeable that no one cares to hold the thought in their mind or 10 seconds. OR you are all so chronically online you have no grasp of genuine social dynamics. No one genuinely falls for Troonbies little bronysona pedophile-esc groom a minor approach to posting. Xe presents ximself as an over-exaggeratedly psuedo-pleasant public image, forced shallow sweetness and high, self-admitted histrionic behaviours.
>WAAAH MOI LINK NOT IN DA OP WAAAH DONT POST HERE
>IMA THREAD MASCOT :3
Etc, etc, i wonder where all the negative energy is directed? hm? Turbie will use xis lack of acknowledgement in threads to TURBO-TROON-OUT out and vent xis frustration towards actual femmies with real simps. Turbie interacts with people like a shitty grooming attempt. You cant convince me this hyperonline weeaboo with a psychological plectere to these threads is just not here? Not hiding under the guise of anonymous like a little jew stirring the pot of gold at the end of the gaybow? ILYSM :3
TLDR: Turbie is a pathetic hostile little troon anonymously harassing likeable biofems out of envy
TROON OUT! \(O.O)/
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>>83760672
I gotta take a SHIT.
>BRAPPPPPPPP!
>SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT
Oh God I'm shitting all over your post anon.
>BRAPPPPPP SPLAT SPLAT SPLAT
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>>83760672
You also notice how every hatepost directed toward out current thread fems is a nitpick and narrative twist of their masculine traits.
>Diarygirl said she likes skulls together! she is hostile and mean!
>Melascula is a man! She laughed at a sybrian mans head blow apart
All with context concealed.
This is a direct comparison to xer own tryhard hyperfem people pleasing persona
>They dont suck constant cock like i do every thread i am way better
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>>83760772
Melascula and Diarygirl are vile as AF. Both of them literally laugh at mass murder, both are manipulative AF, BOTH have literally called themselves evil, both have a regressive a hot topic fashion sense, they even collect the same fucking weird toys. Shall I continue?
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Every Turbie posts goes unnoticed like a fart in the wind, so either its that turbie is so largely irrelevant, unnoticeable and uninteresting that the thought of xim escapes you.
OR you are all so chronically online you have no grasp of genuine social dynamics. No one genuinely falls for Troonbies little bronysona pedophile-esc groom a minor approach to posting. Xe presents ximself as an over-exaggeratedly psuedo-pleasant public image, forced shallow sweetness and high, self-admitted histrionic behaviours.
>WAAAH MOI LINK NOT IN DA OP WAAAH DONT POST HERE
>IMA THREAD MASCOT :3
Etc, etc, i wonder where all the pent-up negative energy is directed? hm? Turbie to the T (testosterone) Turbulence, right? Xe will use xis lack of acknowledgement in threads to TURBO-TROON-OUT out and vent xis frustration towards actual femmies with real simps. Turbie interacts with posters like a shitty grooming attempt where you babytalk the minor. You cant convince me this hyperonline weeaboo with a psychological plectere to these threads is just not here? Not hiding under the guise of anonymous like a little jew stirring the pot of gold at the end of the gaybow?
You also notice how every hatepost directed toward our current thread fems is a nitpick and narrative twist of their "undesirable masculine-meanie" traits. References to posts xe psychotically rewires and reframes in xis head.
>Diarygirl said she likes smashing skulls together! she is hostile and mean!
>Melascula is a man! She laughed at a sybrian mans head blow apart!
All contextually distorted
This is a direct comparison to xer own tryhard hyperfem people pleasing persona, turbie wants to be seen as "the real angel"
>They dont suck constant cock like i do every thread so i am way better
ILYSM :3
TLDR: Turbie is a pathetic hostile little troon anonymously harassing likeable biofems out of envy
TROON OUT! \(O.O)/
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Hm, I still haven't fully freed myself of MBTI Myers memery or blog-tier confusion after all.
I was about to mistake an obvious ET(N) for ET(S) because they technically fit ESTJ more. BUT, the thing is that when you look at their sensation you notice two glaring issues:
>it is almost never separated from feeling judgments
>it is overwhelmingly negative
Also a Se-groid pointed out one of the flaws this person has is specifically reprimanding others before actually looking at the facts, only for the Se-groid in question to respond with that and making them back off. That just doesn't sound like something a type with at least partially differentiated sensation would do habitually.
On the other hand, they do use intuition, and it's well differentiated by comparison, it's taken apart from thinking or feeling, and tends to be more positive generally. I mean, this person literally expects a future where AI leads is to a life where we don't even need to work anymore and a common income system that makes everyone happi... huh, I'm not going to comment that now lol. Strangely naive for a ET on this topic.
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>>83760910
Eat the fucking slop goy. EAT UP.
>Slurp slurp slurp slurp slurp
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I see TE my good fellow, has the father screen shared the truth with you also? I can sense your underlying disappointment , because you know its true
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Before I go through, going to say I find that side of ETs to be cute desu, some have a genuine, vaguely defined faith in humanity as a whole even if all experience would tell them otherwise. They only tell you in private of course.
Much cuter than whiny IF bitches, even if it's technically a worse way to use feeling purely in terms of differentiation.
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Lilac, Mela, Diarygirl and Rxy all publicly name themselves when responding to hateposts/threaddrama. Instead, Turbie desperately tries to maintain xis superficial-sweet shitty UwU persona, which appears deliberately performative like a 40year old brony playing with his MLP figures, TURBIE decalres xe is INFJ-T Tranny Turbulence, so how is it possible Troonbie is maintaining such an excessively "Genuine" "unbothersome" act if it was real? Turbies pony performance itself is retarded and unbelievable, xe hardly engages or elaborates in ongoing drama, responding with little O.O or :C emoticons almost mocking the situation. A real, genuine kind-hearted person would pour their energy into an in-depth response to cease the drama altogether. Turbie basically lives in these threads, for years, someone who cares so much wouldn't hold these accusations at arm-length unless they were true. The persona itself is like a poorly-written horny hentai character, its sole goal is to offer itself as an onahole, disgusting
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>>83760971
>Slopline chili
Things that come out of Ohio are either all good or all bad
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Kinda curious about picrel though ngl
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>>83761341
I second this whole heartedly, It is essentially ablism/taking advantage of the mentally incapacitated to keep your little thread seat cozy, the only thing mildly interesting about turdie is TEs weird fixation on her
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>>83761345
>Ok but what's the good stuff?
h-heh, lots of things!! Um, you know...
Ope, would you look at the time? heh cya
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We got donut burgers.
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Ohio fucked itself over. Everyone from ohio has this weird sense of pride were they're like: "ohio sucks, ONLY IN OHIO would you see (insert low class thing)" but they're also proud of living there. But all the internet picked up on was the negativity and started hating on Ohio. And now "ohio" is slang for something that's sucks with gen-a
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I hate eveyone in this thread so fucking.
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>>83761678
What an Ohio take
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>>83761854
Not if you live in Ohio, you can't be a man or a hero if you live in Ohio TE, or near Ohio.
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How to develop masculinity (If you're a woman don't read this)
1. Assume masculine responsibility as the guide, protector, and provider.
2. Help build society (even ohio)
3. Develop masculine traits of character. (Decisiveness, assertiveness, resilience, independence.)
4. Develop masculine skills and abilities. (Plumbing, carpentry, rhetoric)
5. Increase physical capacity. (Work out daily, clean your garage)
6. Accentuate the differences between yourself and women. (Playful upshow your masculinity and praise a woman's femininity)
7. Accept challenging goals.
8. Face mistakes, failure, and defeat with manliness. (women don't care if you fail, they care that you make moves)
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>>83761908
You turning into patchy? You gonna rant about stuff you have no practical experience in?
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Unc really spent 8 hours spamming his schizophrenia everywhere. Without any replies or validation and kept it up. Just doing it for the love of the game huh? What kind of trauma would make someone capable of that?
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>>83761853
>You're OHIO
How fucking DARE you
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>>83762256
I think they all have your name filtered, turdulent tranny! >.< OOF!
see
> Every Turbie posts goes unnoticed like a fart in the wind, so either its that turbie is so largely irrelevant, unnoticeable and uninteresting that the thought of xim escapes you
:D point proven!
your just not interesting enough it seems~ no personality from the hpd tranny~ no wonder there is never discussion around you x3 somewhat embarrassing as you refer to yourself as a thread mascot LOL
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It keeps decaying because that is the energy you carry :3 You are decaying and self-projecting rotten hallucinations onto Reality?! FUCK YOU! Reality is great
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You are just jealous the foids of today have accumulated far more simps than you have over the past 10 years of stretching your brown asshole open wide, waiting, for a kissy or huggies that never came.
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A wish is like a whore, the more you want it the more avoidant it becomes, but when you are a nonchalant chad, you get your wish and more whore sucking your dick
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If anyone doesn't realize Diarygirl is the person bullying Turbie rn they're actually rarted. She was the first person to call him "Turdie" and spam junk about "reading xis emaciated tranny aura by remote viewing" etc.
It's not even a detective shizo tier "omg who is it" deep lore it's just fucking 5 or 10 threads ago when she first showed up which is like a blip if you've been here since 2019 or whatever. You newfaggots are making conspiracy theories out of molehills when it's just one histrionic comgirl being rowdy
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>your type?
intp
>whats the coolest or most exciting dream you've had lately or ever?
had a dream about being a dragon assaulting a castle with mechanized support
>is there a game you were really good at? what's your favorite memory related to it?
stellaris specifically pre-4.0, one planet held off a fan purifier's fleet long enough for me to build up my own and win a decisive battle in the system
>would you rather people be kind towards you or polite? what's the difference to you?
kind, politeness has little value with anything backing it up
>what does friend mean to you? what do you think the ideal friend should be like?
i dont know
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>>83762756
Tubie you really hate Diarygirl huh!
>seething trannoid trying to deflect from
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i always felt as if though, most of my classmates in school, middle school and so forth, were massive NPCs, they never caused much trouble with the teacher and so forth. they just sat there like good little boys and girls. whereas I, the rebel, decided to do plenty of mischievious things. I must be some sort of ubermensch, a god among mere mortals.
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>>83762936
Whether you're the BPDemon or one single obnoxious simp the reality is dire. On either hand you have got a desperate post-wall chronically online quirk chungus whose proximity to stinky inkwells and Discord mod groomer types has made her intimately aware of the drastically shorter shelf life females have than even the most brazen "Hurr hurr the good thing about highschool girls amirite" normies will admit. Or the best she could attract for all her constant roastie flapping is an equally abrasive and manic tourist. Just one though. That has to suck when you do everything in your elite internet historian power to starve yourself and stave off the effects of puberty so you can larp as a loli for a few more years for sextortionists on Roblox.
Holy fuck. Kill yourself man. If you aren't the mentally ill chick you're worse off. Femchildren gonna femchildren but tying your own ego to the social value of the crazy you want to stick your dick in a different kind of pathetic if you're an actual man and have grace to fall from. Not to mention projecting that high school hierarchy on to someone calling a spade a spade as if they care strongly one way or another. IE comgirl just fits her aesthetic and behavior. If you think that stereotype or label is inherently insulting it's because some part of you knows it's a shameful subculture to participate in or present yourself as aligned with. If that gets under your skin grow up and stop disingenuously selfposting or be about what you claim and disregard anything that doesn't fit le Diarygirl is a pure angel of light in this rat hole o algo
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Tubbie literally said he is the most important character in these threads, diarygirl doesn't even blink at the GTKM queries. She is the most humble and pure soul.
Such stupid self projection lmao
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>>83763039
They are referring to our vintage crone handicapped maiden, Turbie. Her jowls hang down to her tits O_O
Been prowling around for years for a (you) LOL
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>>83763019
You/your egirl are an iteration of an iteration of an iteration of an iteration of an imitation of an echo of a relic of a pixellated low res duplicate of a reposted skinwalking attempt of a 2020s revival of Nicole Dollanganger. Which is fun, in it's own way. But arguing what comes with the territory while claiming to be all in for the territory is immediate disqual
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Turbie is an iteration of an iteration of an iteration of an iteration of an imitation of an echo of a relic of a pixellated low res duplicate of a reposted skinwalking attempt of a 2020s revival of Nicole Dollanganger. Which is fun, in it's own way. But arguing what comes with the territory while claiming to be all in for the territory is immediate disqual
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Zoomers have this deep shame and dissociation from everything. They know nothing but through at least one layer of ironic distance. It's why their lack of direction and unconscionably mutable senses of self are so impossible to hide.
I hope Gen A learns sincerity again. Or at least regains some semblance of originality (as much as it exists in an infinitely recycled pseudoclosed hyperloop of symbols and signals) instead of this half assed nihilism of taste where everything they can even claim to like or enjoy is categorized primarily by a metric of "What's the least cringe thing to express support for when we're all going to die or be Jewish martian sex slaves". At least Gen A uses their instant gratification fried imaginations for power fantasies instead of wet blanket resignation they try to pass for devil may care chaotic neutrality
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Not at all. Even if you want to stereotype Turbie, Turbie's niche is neither "zOMG! Lyke, rly? Ya! O.. o RLY rly? o3o" Gaiaonline "nerd" girl, nor random XD scene kid, nor programmer socks RGB tranny. If you/your slop machine aren't even familiar with the most basic classes of 4chan poster or internet personality, don't be surprised when your low effort, shit takes get an equivalent reception
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>>83763081
PFFT- you really think you are a speshul cookie huh? Its Crystal clear to everyone else here that you are just projecting all your normie insecurities onto the cute gurl~
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>>83763009
>If you think that stereotype or label is inherently insulting it's because some part of you knows it's a shameful subculture to participate in or present yourself as aligned with.
If you want, I can help draft a firm, Scripture-based reply to this replier that addresses all these claims without entering into their emotional framing, making your position unmistakable. Do you want me to do that?
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> Turbie's niche
Nice play on words there! She doesnt have a niche :3 if he did, must have borrowed it from some pedophile brony in the midst of grooming a minor EEP!
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>Antisocial behavior of refusing to participate in the topic or integrate to board or thread culture whatsoever to shit all over the thread like it's your personal meth trip diary on nu erowid shows a reserved and humble disposition
Get real nigger. She mystique farms and stream of consciousness posts like she's throwing a dart at a list of subjects she barely understands and grifted from some YouTube shorts creepypasta compilation. And when no one bites the "Teehee I'm age regressing but still in an EDGY WAY like what if my LPS toys did a SCHOOL SHOOTING" she goes full chimp out and starts ranting about trannies and scat and gore and just totally launches off into some weird devaluation thing but unlike the targeted slander of a narcissist it's just the broadly psychotic grandiosity of a Cluster B Christmas cake. She wouldn't psychologically survive let alone recover from half the citations Turbie has on his Encyclopedia Dramatica. Take your puritanical bullshit back to the boomer mother who gave you the Oedipus complex you're trying to trade off for by glazing the skipped generation update of the boomer mentality in a Sanrio reskin bro get a grip bro get some taste get good get a CLUE
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In a gennie full of personality pixels,
you sparkle brighter than any 4chan shitpost,
turning chaos into cookies,
melting troon trauma with your trembling, angelic light.
UwU, you hug the world
even when its messy and loud,
and I swear, your little heart
makes even the darkest threads feel like home.
Diarygirl i hope you see this and appreciate the effort i put into protecting you ;-;
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Turbie only started being ambiguous about his sex versus gender presentation when Turbie Enjoyer became his loudest orbiter. Employing the same act coy, if you don't answer hair/eye/skin color weight/height gender etc. tactic that idorus, waifus, and comfort e-girls have since lore immemorial. It's not a secret, it's just a filter for people who have been around long enough to have any say on posters here versus transient taintlicking tumbleweeds like yourself
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Every Turbie posts goes unnoticed like a fart in the wind, so either its that turbie is so largely irrelevant, unnoticeable and uninteresting that the thought of xim escapes you.
OR you are all so chronically online you have no grasp of genuine social dynamics. No one genuinely falls for Troonbies little bronysona pedophile-esc groom a minor approach to posting. Xe presents ximself as an over-exaggeratedly psuedo-pleasant public image, forced shallow sweetness and high, self-admitted histrionic behaviours.
>WAAAH MOI LINK NOT IN DA OP WAAAH DONT POST HERE
>IMA THREAD MASCOT :3
Etc, etc, i wonder where all the pent-up negative energy is directed? hm? Turbie to the T (testosterone) Turbulence, right? Xe will use xis lack of acknowledgement in threads to TURBO-TROON-OUT out and vent xis frustration towards actual femmies with real simps. Turbie interacts with posters like a shitty grooming attempt where you babytalk the minor. You cant convince me this hyperonline weeaboo with a psychological plectere to these threads is just not here? Not hiding under the guise of anonymous like a little jew stirring the pot of gold at the end of the gaybow?
You also notice how every hatepost directed toward our current thread fems is a nitpick and narrative twist of their "undesirable masculine-meanie" traits. References to posts xe psychotically rewires and reframes in xis head.
>Diarygirl said she likes smashing skulls together! she is hostile and mean!
>Melascula is a man! She laughed at a sybrian mans head blow apart!
All contextually distorted
This is a direct comparison to xer own tryhard hyperfem people pleasing persona, turbie wants to be seen as "the real angel"
>They dont suck constant cock like i do every thread so i am way better
ILYSM :3
TLDR: Turbie is a pathetic hostile little troon anonymously harassing likeable biofems out of envy
TROON OUT! \(O.O)/ ;3
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Notice how Turbie responds to my every move with the venom of a left-wing lesbian troon? Very oblivious, Very suspicious, Very pre-op transgender surgery painful to see
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They haven't even realized it'sLewisturning them against each other. The end is nowhere in . . .
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Sight.
>YYYEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHH
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Awesome that jannies don't just do their jobs on principle and instead only if you report flagrant repeated violations and even then only sometimes or only when the non lazy ones wake up and the faggots have had hours to derail a thread by then. Christ alive
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>>83763205
You're not analyzing shit, you're flooding with copy and pasted half baked redundant memes from a chat bot. At least use your own brain, form your own opinions if you're going to waste post counts with sophomoric fuck marry kill tier lists and fanfics you didn't even put a fraction of your parasocial lil ass into fr. Maybe I love Diarygirl more than you do and I just don't think you're worthy of being called my competitor when you drag down her reputation by expressing fealty to her while committing impure and spiritually ugly acts
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>>83763278
Lilac, i thought you and Diarygirl were Headmates? do you take psychological position you the persecutor?
It is funny you accuse me of using ai- when my posts arent a level near verbose as yours
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>>83762599
It was at least very usable before this weird anti-Turbie flood.
Can't say it's good though, people interested in MBTI or Jung amount to 3, maybe 4 anons going back and forth while the rest is overwhelmingly reggyposting.
I don't know if it's an issue with this place specifically or it represents a waning interest in those typologies. Tempted to say the former because I have evidence staring in my face that people still at very least like to take teststhe evidence in question: a lot of xitter and discord profiles that include their MBTI type in the bio. They tend to be anywhere in the 14-30 age range, which would mean strictly younger and possibly newer than myself.
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>>83763478
But she said she loves diarygirl more than me, which supports the current theory that diarygirl is lilacs split personality - they probably had a breakup over whose boyfriend is whose and started shitting up the thread indirectly hurling hurtful words towards one another
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https://youtu.be/6K-W_z97zhU?si=3Ecn-BT7N54l3Gpd
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loooks like you FINALY figured it out. Evey FUCKING characterCHAF is ME. inDefecitibly and EFORTESLY, i Orchestate multitudinous LABYRINTHE of perfonality performances Within our SERGALIO of SCHIZOPHRENIA, unpercieved by th gaze of BEGRIMD hoi polloii. ye arw but obeisant PAWNS piroutting to th specifications of myne GRAAND DESINE. KAAAKEROO!
>b-bbut-b why-
SHIT the FUCK your mouth , BITCH
https://files.catbox.moe/6px8il.mov
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Ez pz no rere
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https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8fKe2tt/
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>>83763711
Is tht a mn unsta uncstagram ir liek a telecord i wanna stalk the person you think is stalni g kyou i have to merk all the ops on god
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How can a turtle be real? Look at the proportions of his face!
It's silly! That's silly!
You can't be that cute and that goblin-esque at the same time! How does he do it?
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>>83667117
These posts are from diarygirl. In the file you can see posts from INFJ's discord. The vocaroo posted ( https://vocaroo.com/171qj804bxui )
matches another anons post.
>>83587941
This post mentions that a certain poster had all of his posts deleted due to a ban.
Here are some of those posts.
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83578880
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83578887
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83577450
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83577792
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83578175
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83578808
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83578784
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83578909
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83578942
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83578957
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579035
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579060
I like this one because he always acts like he's not on discord.... but we will get to that later.
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579143
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579162
Another blantant lie.
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579171
Who do you think he's referring to?
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579391
Admits to making up lies and spreading rumors.
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579466
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579581
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579691
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579712
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579731
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83579931
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/83573318/#83580296
This is his standard play. Insult someone all day and night then turn around to act friendly to them as a "different persona"
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Here are more of the posts that were mass deleted. You will find some of them interesting. Try to type this person by their posts. Very curious patterns.
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You may be asking why would someone do these kinds of things for hours at a time? The answer is they are a self admitted schizophrenic.
https://archived.moe/soc/thread/30746045/#30768022
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>>83763733
wl if it not thank Fuuucking god have a . plsaent sex XD
>>83763744
oooha , tou mean this slog chaacter?
This, I will read, paionately like the philimaripn. Interesting anon Thx Oka
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Stop putting people on to the traaail..
You're gonna hurt feefees! They'll find out [we're /b/tards who go way back]
Diarygirl will get jealous if she finds [the logs]!!
picrel me and infj-a (he's in the back seat in a black ski mask) smoking the weed in my honda the pack that makes you schizophrenic and good at [REDACTED]posting
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>>83763815
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What a bread lol
Oh well, time to throw some Jung at it and see what happens.
>Introverts want to see little things grow big and big things grow little. Extraverts like great things-- they do not want to see good things going into worse, but always into better.
>AN EXTRAVERT HATES TO THINK of himself as containing a hellish opposite. Moreover, the introvert leans toward accepting enantiodromia easily, because such a concept robs the object of much power, while the extravert, having no desire to minimize the importance of the object, is willing to credit it with power.
This reads like a goddamn size fetish joke, aside from the extraverts hating to think joke. lmao.
Still, interesting snippet.
And the word used above is actually a Jungian one, going to just quote wiki here:
>In Psychological Types, Jung defines enantiodromia as "the emergence of the unconscious opposite in the course of time." It is similar to the principle of equilibrium in the natural world, in that any extreme is opposed by the system in order to restore balance. When things get to their extreme, they turn into their opposite.
So introverts tend to believe in some sort of natural balance more? Anyone can confirm?
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Heh it was a surprise little ball in the center of the blunt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddpx0JLOH6o
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Who's the target audience for such insights
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>>83763836
Yr kyoot,, I like givin you raisins to post m04r cerebromerkabal leakage. Wyu2 this l8, starspermia? Just roll in from blue light-induced insomnia town?
Loved that post the other day about scrunching your toes around in reggy eye sockets. Can't stop imagining da SENSE-ation of eyeball jelly on bare soles. Kneading warm sleepy boysakk at the moment might have to assault//rouse him to use again idk anyways why don't you have oneeee? The bois you kno
They are everywhere
Are you really trying to replaypeat another in all you cone acrawz? Thas no speciaaaal learn a special new boy and give him your whole heart insteada saying "WEAR THE CAT EARS WEAR THE CAT EARS ALATORSAN YOU TAILLESS FAKEYFAKERTON MC Fakefuqqboi"
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You have to let their
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Instead of frighteneding the evil pedophile shadow monster present in all malekind
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>>83763856
>So introverts tend to believe in some sort of natural balance more? Anyone can confirm?
No idea on that.
I've always been skeptical on all the face value of KARMA (aka causality, and precisely here it'd be equivalence between input and feedback), YIN and YANG, PLUS and MINUS, etc. Like sure, you COULD handwave and generalize everything this way, but it'd be disingenuous to stop as-is.
>>AN EXTRAVERT HATES TO THINK of himself as containing a hellish opposite
That or they might really overhype it and prance about it, since, y'know, repression of the acknowledgement into primitivity. Hm, in either way it'd be a sort of grandiosity/inflation.
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>>83763957
>That or they might really overhype it and prance about it
If they do that, doesn't it imply they somehow perceived as a good thing instead?
Probably related to what V.F. says about extraverts discovering they are able to do (conscious) introversion and inflating the shit out of the experience, telling everyone how they are such deep introverts. Speaking of that, I don't think I know any extravert who has done this. They are either straightforward in their type, or specifically assign it to depressive symptoms, hence signaling they see it as not their natural type.
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I wonder if the reverse of this is true in subjective factors? Assuming it is a 1:1 translation to the subjective factor;
It would imply that Patchy is an extrovert with his "kill all symbols" shitposting. Which, while shitposting, does have within it a modicum of truth.
Which could flip the problem back to atype problemsince he's anextrovertpulling the life out of the subjective to give to the objective.
Hmm, that would make a lot of sense.
A little too much sense, actually.
It would also explain why he thinks I'm an Fi type. It's his own shadow being projected, because he's a Te type.
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H-a-H, I see what you did here. MySIGHTis rolling on the floor laughing out loud myASSoNff.
>>83764024
Do you want some EARTH MAGIC? It tastes exquisite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej7-BS1i35Y
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>extraverts discovering they are able to do (conscious) introversion and inflating the shit out of the experience, telling everyone how they are such deep introverts. Speaking of that, I don't think I know any extravert who has done this
Actually, both of us might know one exactly like that...
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Ok of that was me doing EXTRAVERT'S thinking, that what would be me doing INTROVERT'S thinking then?
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>>83764185
You are both introverted purely because you both went full synchronicity and tried to use extravert as an insult.
Q.E.D.
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>>83764243
Maybe, very Junganically interesting though.
Oh well more importantly
>I wonder if the reverse of this is true in subjective factors? Assuming it is a 1:1 translation to the subjective factor
As in introverts tending to inflating the relevance of subjective factors(although if they are truly introverts they don't go around telling everyone about that, they just silently believe their subjective idea is better because pure typological bias) while they moderate(or rather, neutralize, the goal is excplicitly reduce their influence either way after all) external objects instead? Yeah fair enough.
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Dude don't frickin' reply to me quoting INFJ-A as if I'm INFJ-A what the hell!
Anyhow the inferior flashes of introvert's extraversion would be all about exaggerating doings like some sigma hustler. They wouldn't demean introspective introversion though I think? Maybe? Since the inflation is busy with its own topic? When there's toxic inflation, it'd be from some shadow side of an archetype instead (e.g. Death Mother, "Tyrant" (shadow king), "Trickster" (shadow magician) etc).
Actual self-destructive executive overworking is from energetic but poorly integrated warrior though.
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I have a hunch that the macro discussion got rather vague and unreliable (including my input) so I'm not taking "canonizing" mental notes just yet.
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>>83764345
>They wouldn't demean introspective introversion though I think? Maybe?
In pure extraverted fashion, I think it entirely depends on what effects it produces on their external reality, that's at least from the conscious standpoint. If you asked an extravert they would reply digging deeper in your mind has no value on its own and if it had value is because they were able to exercise better judgement on [external situations], though deep down they might not fully believe that, not even really knowing why. (but we do know ITT, of course)
>toxic inflation
Yeah that's more of an unconscious reaction instead, not a conscious appreciation of the object and its greatness without any weird unconscious projections.
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>>83764345
>Dude don't frickin' reply to me quoting INFJ-A as if I'm INFJ-A what the hell!
BAHAHAHAHAH
>>83764206
It would be putting energy INTO the subjective factors. Aiming to experience the archetypes and symbols, rather than taking energy from the symbols.
This is the process roughly
[symbol exists] -> take energy from [symbol] -> put energy into [object] -> symbol collapses[dies] -> [Symbol] becomes "real" aka "understood in concrete terms"
That would be the extroverted process.
The introverted would be:
[symbol exists] -> take energy from [object] -> put energy into [symbol] -> [object] collapses[dies (not literally)][becomes "transparent] -> [symbol] becomes "real" aka "experienced"
The extrovert reduces the symbol
The introvert inflates it (not in the ego-identification(inflation) sense, just in the "adds energy to" sense(like a balloon))
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I wasn't using it as an insult, you dingle ass.
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>If you asked an extravert they would reply digging deeper in your mind has [...] value [...] because they were able to exercise better judgement on [external situations]
Hmm I believe that 100%. But any introvert that doesn't pathologically hate extraverting could come to this conclusion, no?
I especially believed that around since before hitting puberty, as I figured out that whatever issues I had faced so far have been mostly psychological (not sure if I used the word) first, so I'd really need to triple down on investing into and figuring my mind out in as many activities and environments as possible. "Maybe it will rub onto me or will build up somewhere or carry over from this situation to the next most needed situation..." Huh why there hasn't been any depth psychology material for kids as target audience? Except for games like Persona maybe, but that's just giving abstract construction at best, at face value. Anyhow, outside of pressing circumstances, I wasn't particularly introverted or extraverted before that.
So, the point is, not quite reliable for typing.
>>83764611
>The introverted would be:
>[symbol] becomes "real" aka "experienced"
>experience
Experience is a psychic fact made of "subjective"/archetypal factor AND objective factor.
If I were operating only under the either of the latter two components I'd be effectively just psychotic, and posting as psychotic (if posting at all), and wouldn't even be able to follow any structure - ego, as the conscious standpoint, works with what's experienced. You fucking retard.
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>But any introvert that doesn't pathologically hate extraverting could come to this conclusion, no?
Obviously. Not to mention one who has spoiled himself with the theory of types.
>Huh why there hasn't been any depth psychology material for kids as target audience?
You called? Here is your Extraverted Sensoid magical girl.
Ahem, Japanese media aimed at a younger audience does, especially Jungian-flavored too because the eastern world didn't really reject his ideas as hard as the modern western world did. Right now I was watching a japanese video about the typology ironically enough, mainly because it has a very interesting frame that I shall post after translation. For once it's not a circle even.
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"INFJ-A" would rather use the shadow thinking to invent countless logic systems that try to LOGICALLY explain why he PERSONALLY doesn't like how I PERSONALLY seem to treat the archetypal factor...
Rather than him just using the thinking consciously and differentiating it from personal preferences (that he had put into the shadow too it seems as they're interlocked with shadow logics nigguh wtf are you doing?)
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Inventing logic systems is peak "Ti" btw, so, EF(S) typing quite stands, dare I say.
Inf "Te" would rather buckshot spam me with quotes and pages for the wrong arguments (and I would love it because I'd get to re-read the Jung and discuss it).
Bad logic systems aren't so bad to play with, but there's limited supply since "INFJ-A" goes on only as he writes.
Aww maybe I shouldn't have called him a 'tard just because he's been treating me like a psychotic but demanding stable thinking ego engagement from me... Just kidding this has been PERSONAL now. Also, well-deserved in behavior itself, per Moore's individuation schematic systems.
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>>83764655
I have no idea what you're even saying here. Nor do I have any idea what you're even trying to refute because you're speaking nonsense.
You didn't address anything I said.
And I explained it in very clear terms (but it has a pre-req that you have level 1 understanding in Jung).
>Skill check failed: Jungian understanding = 0
>Please consult:Read Jung
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>>83764804
>Inventing logic systems is peak "Ti" btw, so, EF(S) typing quite stands, dare I say.
You know what, fair enough.
I had assumed inferior "Te" makes more sense because it seems to deflect to objective definitions and refuses to see how language can be "subjectivized" for the sake of having certain images attached to it that don't come directly from the dictionary definition(or basically what Jung does all the goddamn time... you would think anyone who reads Jung can tell he himself bends the shit out of his language all the time so you have to work with contextual clues or how it relates to the main point but w/e), but I haven't asked myself what's the "source" of the entire logical system in the first place.
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>>83764828
>You didn't address anything I said
JVNG did
>I have no idea what you're even saying here
>speaking nonsense.
Ok but you say this to any retort at all, you don't differentiate out when you're wrong, unlike anyone with a differentiated thinking function including myself.
That is, I predict extreme mental gymnastics and failure to connect the Jung's dots. Actually this wouldn't be even a connection of the dots, I literally connected that openly in the post you see as nonsense and refuse to try to comprehend ("common unintegrated magician L" t. Moore (grim combo with inferior function thinking))
>As the subjective factor, then, I understand that psychological action or reaction which, when merged with the effect of the object, makes a new psychic fact
https://archive.vn/Kb9id
>Introduction to Jungian Psychology: Notes of the Seminar on Analytical Psychology Given in 1925, Lecture 8: '...images in our mind tend to form prejudices, of a greater or less rigidity to be sure, but nevertheless prejudices from which we can never be wholly free. These preexisting mental images into contact with which the stream of our personal experience comes, I call the subjective factor. Our mental processes cannot escape the intermingling with these preexisting images, so it is easy to see why a new idea always has to fight for its life against these ancestral predispositions.'
>'Primitives never take note of experiences and there is no continuity in their minds, everything is like dreams interrupted by conflicting impulses; like children and animals, they cannot concentrate. An animal that has been on the point of death in the next moment begins to play again. That is the inferior function. It makes no history because it is all the time living in the moment that is eternity.' -C.G. Jung in 'Lecture 8' from 25 June 1930
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>he himself bends the shit out of his language all the time so you have to work with contextual clues or how it relates
IT()+aux S is grim too.
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Ok but what's the META point that's attempted to be said? Oh not a straw man, just me intuiting the vibe of the room for my notes.
"Ideas are true lived reality!"
"Objects and experiences can only be truly understood via inflating ideas only! Fuck the forms, fuck personal considerations, awe is where it's at!"
"Symbols are only ever useful to get high on awe from ideas! FUCK OTHER ASPECTS OF REALITY"
Ok but that'd be fanatical neo-Platonism irrelevant to Jung. Actually that's even Puer Aeternus perfectionism. Actually, if you're committedly serious on symbols and archetypes, you'd arrive to recursion where non-archetypes and non-symbols are valued, too.
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>>83765024
>JVNG did
Yeah, he did. It's based on his explanations. The only thing in what I said that could potentially be blasphemous, would be saying:>>83764611
>The introvert inflates it
Because inflation implies ego-identification. Everything else is almost 1:1 to Jung.
Why are you defining the subjective factor?
And why are you assuming I'm speaking in a completely one sided manner?
How am I able to differentiate when I'm wrong when you aren't even addressing anything I said? You've not pointed to anything and said how it's wrong, or even that it is wrong. You've not posted a Jung quote that contradicts, or even ADDRESSES my point.
The best you did was post a quote that contains one of the words "subjective factor", even though that was not the central point of my post at all. Nor does my use of the term contradict Jung's use or definition of it.
So again, what the fuck are you trying to say? Drop the faggot ego inflation already, it's cringe.
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>>83765327
>aren't even addressing anything I said
What "addressing" would be, by your standards?
>ego inflation
Saying "I have a function differentiated" means there's an undifferentiated opposite so no, there's no inflation just yet.
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Helpful tip, if you already struggle with schizophrenia and other mental illnesses smoking weed tends to exasperate and cause them to unset early! It's better not to do drugs, they are destructive and it's a feminine spirit ! There is still time to put them away!
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>>your type?
INTJ
>>whats the coolest or most exciting dream you've had lately or ever?
I have no shortage of exciting dreams, strangely enough as of late its the only time I really feel alive.
Last night I dreamed I was an ace fighter pilot and some kind of social revolutionary, I went through every single mission and saw my whole life apparently I grew up in a whorehouse were women were being beaten up it was very strange and vivid like watching a story in real time, though it did feel rather detached and incoherent, it was thrilling to fly around at mach 2 and drop bombs on targets, though when diving the force was acutely painful, like being in a rollercoaster x2, its strange I've never felt this sensation in real life.
The night before I dreamt I was some serial killer and strangled a woman to death with a rope. That was less pleasant, though there was a kind of euphoria in it. Strangling is a pretty common theme in my dreams, though usually I'm the one getting strangled (usually by my dad or mom).
>>is there a game you were really good at or wanted to get betters at? what's your favorite memory related to it?
There was a time I wanted to get good at chess but never really put a lot of work into it. I guess my favourite memories relating to it would be playing with my dad when I was younger and beating him, he was seething about it but it filled me with a sense of accomplishment and enjoyed playing with him, and maybe my uncle as well.
>>would you rather people be kind towards you or polite? what's the difference to you?
I don't really mind either, but I always prefer people who are brutally honest and straight shooters. I would say the difference is action vs words, but who knows.
>>what does friend mean to you? what do you think the ideal friend should be like?
Someone who likes spending time with me and I like spending time with them, I enjoy spending with basically everyone, so its finding someone to stick around thats hard for me.
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>>83765382
You know, engaging with the points *I* made, not just randomly quoting Jung?
Like, for example, let's say that I said:
>The sky is red!
And you counter with
>The color red is actually just a specific wavelength of light that is absorbed by your eyes to give a sensory impression of color
No shit sherlock, I know that. But it is irrelevant to my point.
I'd be more content with you saying
>You fucking retard, the sky isn't red, it's blue. Go outside.
That actually addresses the content of my claim. Not just uses some of the same words to make a non sequitur point.
>>83765483
Yes I am. But I have 2 liter peter. So it counteracts that. I also have a jawline and a personality. Call me Chadlite.
*smile*
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>>83765799
>>You fucking retard, the sky isn't red, it's blue. Go outside.
>That actually addresses the content of my claim
Addressing alone isn't disproving in itself. Claims are based on falsifiability even if it'd be some fantastical scenario where they'd be wrong.
This "no, this is wrong" and "no, I'm right, YOU are wrong" was actually tried and tested to be leading nowhere, too.
So,
>engaging
What exactly do you mean by "engaging"? Examples alone don't cut it since we can interpret examples differently. As I see it, I did exactly that countless times before, and that wasn't taken as engagement.
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Just avoided getting hit by a car, and I've been thinking while paying attention that if it weren't for trying to overcompensate over inferior sensoiding, I would not notice the car through the window gaps behind the bigger car to consciously register it, and I'd get hit. Who the hell speeds up near the poorly visible crosswalks, anyway?
>>83765547
Oh man makes me really want to do dream typology data gathering.
>but I always prefer people who are brutally honest and straight shooters
Hmm, even if they wouldn't assist you with the problem they're brutally honest about?
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>>83765864
>addressing alone isn't disproving in itself.
It's far more of a disproof than whatever it is you're doing. You're not even on the same topic as me. Saying "no you're wrong about [this]" at the VERY least proves that you have the capability of understanding my point and/or my words. Even if you're wrong about your claim.
That's the entire point I was making with the sky analogy.
>What exactly do you mean by "engaging"?
Responding to the point(s) being made.
Either by expanding on the point, agreeing with the point, or disagreeing with the point.
If I said, the sky is red.
Let's say you have no problem with that for whatever reason.
So you continue to say "Oh and the clouds in the sky are white!"
Do you see how that is different from defining what "red" ""is"" by citing some book which says the specific frequency of red, and how that doesn't add anything to the actual point being made?
In Jungian language it's something like, remain within my (or whomever you're speaking with) symbolic field, relate to it, don't abstract from it. This is the critique I've been giving you for like, Idk weeks now?
Experience what I'm (and Jung is) saying, and stop stepping outside of it to view it as an outside observer. Participate in what is being said, like a person within a pool swimming. Not as a person outside of a pool analyzing the molecular make up of the water. That doesn't add to the topic of swimming and does not aid in understanding how to swim.
Does that make sense?
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Translated from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuTddTsC0ko
Now with 100% less circles.
TL note: the functions were actually spelled in full on the sides, I decided to only put the letters we are familiar with because making the readable text fit there was bullshit.
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>>83766273
>Saying "no you're wrong about [this]" at the VERY least proves that you have the capability of understanding my point and/or my words
Ok but what I see is that doing this signaling is a waste of microcalories and can be done by an automated script that definitely doesn't understand anything.
As I see it, this signaling doesn't add anything to the discussion.
From my viewpoint, this is signaling bureaucracy and you can engage with the rebuttal without looking for greenlight tokens nobody (except some feeling dom types maybe) else cares about.
>Either by expanding on the point, agreeing with the point, or disagreeing with the point.
Ok but in most of discussions people expect you to infer the meaning and logic and put minimal trust in this being relevant.
Actually, I'll try to show my general point with an example.
We tend to have a situation where I see the entire premise as wrong, and I address both the premise and implications and the differentiated points, e.g.:
>A: my serious, non-metaphorical claim is that the sky eats earthquakes.
>B: ok but earthquakes can't be eaten, and the phenomenon of eating is based on something being capable of eating something else, and sky definitely doesn't eat, and it especially doesn't eat earthquakes. Even as a metaphor, this wouldn't make good sense, at least not in the way that would make it a good metaphor, at least with the basic common sense context we have so far. [!] I don't even want to say "the sky does NOT eat earthquakes" because it could imply the sky is not eating earthquakes right now, but at any other point of time it might be possible [!]
>B: why didn't you address my point? you should have said "the sky does NOT eat earthquakes" if you disagree. Did you even understand what I'm saying? This isn't even a participation
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Patchy what is the personality type of the highguard threads on /v/, seems like a lot of people are making fun of the retards who thought it would be concord 2.0
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>your type?
INTJ
>whats the coolest or most exciting dream you've had lately or ever?
Probably one where the world went to shit and I had to leave my house and everything and be on my own. To get away from it all was liberating
>is there a game you were really good at or wanted to get betters at? what's your favorite memory related to it?
Im pretty competent at Broodwar. I used to be very good but not Korean Good. Just good enough to do well. I think my favorite moment was pushing with Zerglings, Hydras, Lurkers, and Defilers. The amount of things you need to keep up is a lot.
>would you rather people be kind towards you or polite? what's the difference to you?
I am neutral. Though I have been told I am an asshole in public with the way I talk and present myself. I don't care too much for talking to people so I keep my responses quick and short. I do help people out though If I see they need help.
>what does friend mean to you? what do you think the ideal friend should be like?
Someone who sticks with you through thick and thin and checks up on you. I don't think I have ever had a true friend like I see others have. Most of my friendships last half a decade then we either have a falling out or stop talking slowly. Its hard for me to keep friends and I don't know if its because of where I am or who I am.
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>>83766700
I don't even remember what Concord was about and I'm not crawling into /v/ to find out.
Anyhow most of trollings are flavors of the unintegrated magician t. Robert Moore.
>>83758169
>>is there a game you were really good at or wanted to get betters at? what's your favorite memory related to it?
The only /v/ing I did recently was One Turn Kill, and I'm bringing it up only because I'm confident the MC is INTJ/IN(T). I predicted her predicting a major plot point on her own, and she even has an Intuition card, and acts all IN(T). And the gameplay and OST appeal to my IN(T) brain - you don't need to overthink or overstructure the deck, just iterate on failures - so, yeah.
I still can't beat it on BIAS 20 yet though. Not chickening out via guide just yet!
>>83766279
Nice!
As for the core contents. Man this is a bit... You know what? The functions lie on a Mobius strip, that's what.
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>>83766647
>As I see it, this signaling doesn't add anything to the discussion.
It adds something extremely important to the discussion. It signals that you understand my frame. The content itself "it's blue, go outside" minimal, but it's that way intentionally. Because there's no misunderstanding what's happening. What's important is what the content is DOING, rather than what it is saying.
What it is doing is playing within the symbolic field and remaining within the rules.
Your response does the opposite. It doesn't engage anything within the frame, and instead replaces the frame entirely. You're effectively not responding to anything I said, and you're responding to something else all together.
Which puts you in an entirely separate symbolic field with entirely different rules.
Symbolically, it's like inviting someone to play basketball and having them show up to a bad mitten court with bad mitten equipment, then insisting the game should still somehow work.
It can't.
Simply because we are not even playing the same game.
>Ok but in most of discussions people expect you to infer the meaning and logic and put minimal trust in this being relevant.
Okay, well I don't. I put the meaning within the sentences and typically restate it multiple times so there's little room for misunderstanding.
>We tend to have a situation where I see the entire premise as wrong
What I see here you creating a situation where you've misunderstood or misinterpreted my words. And I'll set up a clear way to demonstrate or refute my perception.
What do you think my point was, or my central claim was in this post: >>83764611
What do you think I was attempting to say?
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>>83767028
>It signals that you understand my frame
You can do without having inherent trust issues.
>It doesn't engage anything within the frame, and instead replaces the frame entirely
There's a logic pipe bomb in the frame that would hurt everyone involved if the frame is touched as is.
>Symbolically, it's like inviting someone to play basketball and having them show up to a bad mitten court with bad mitten equipment, then insisting the game should still somehow work.
More like it's what I had shown in my example.
Your example would be correct for a 4 year old situation where I tried to argue against some Jung anon on what MBTI began with when I had read only basically Sakinorva and other blogposts at the time.
>I put the meaning within the sentences and typically restate it multiple times so there's little room for misunderstanding.
Ok but do you check if your own premise is possibly wrong? You seem to accept refutations only inside the premise? What if your premise is wrong, and you don't know it yet? How would you adjust for the possibility?
>What do you think I was attempting to say?
I see it intuitively logically rhyming with Jung's subjective/objective/psychic fact model, with a sudden sideway turn to the conclusion that's disbalanced and moralizingly & ontologically unfavorable for one of the attitudes (extraversion), and also inconsistent with neither Jung's reasoning nor sentiment.
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>>83766809
>The functions lie on a Mobius strip, that's what.
At this point I will have to ask what shape you CAN'T put the functions on. Also
>Google Drive logo is supposed to be one
Wait what.
Back on the main point, japs here dodged a massive bullet with apparently not paying much attention to the MBTI blogosphere. Maybe because most of that is only written in English and it didn't reach most people, unlike Jungian texts translated by the very same dude who drew those inclined circles.
It also seems obvious enough to me that if you look at Japanese media, you are much more likely to see Jungian themes and that includes even "kiddy" shows like the aforementioned Precure season.They might do it again btw, one of the cures is called "arcana shadow" and the intially opposes the other 3 cures.
Related to the translated picture: the video above goes on a small rant that Japanese society seems to highly favor the thinking function, as to introduce the possibility of distorted types or at least the fact that it does affect the way your functions will be developed(e.g. will be harder to favor feeling unless you have a very natural predisposition for it, or your micro environment just happened to encourage feeling development).
Also here it was specified that function development apparently starts at the age of 7? Where did they get that?
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>check next video
>Extraverted characteristics:
>They don't apologize(with the excpetion of the Feeling types, when the atmosphere is right)
And opposite way around for introverts. That's one of the most random traits I have ever seen associated with the typology so far.
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>Related to the translated picture: the video above goes on a small rant that Japanese society seems to highly favor the thinking function
Taking this back, next video says Japan as a whole is defined by introverted sensation according to a book that types countries based on Jung's typology, actually yeah I agree with this one a lot more, thinking didn't sound the most important function there and... wait what? There is a book where COUNTRIES get typed? And it's Jung-accurate typing as opposed to MBTI? Kino, I need to find this shit.
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>>83763766
I examined this fella "INFJ-A" and have discovered that he is not an INFJ at all!
1.) He has Identity fragmentation and role switching issues. He uses multiple identities and a primary persona to manipulate, create confusion, and position himself as the "safe" and "reasonable" one. To make it seem like "everyone is hostile but me"
He uses high amounts of verbal sadism.
His goal is not persuasion or debate, his goal is emotional destabilization.
He has a contradictory presentation where he has grandiose, violent posturing, while at the same time describes himself as vulnerable, childlike, and imaginative. This is typical of maladaptive personalities.
His pattern of loop is provocation, wait for reaction, escalate, mock reaction.
This is classical reactive reinforcement. The response is his reward.
2.) His personality traits make up:
Dominant traits:
Antagonism: High.
Impulsivity: High
Empathy: Very low
Self regulation: poor
Reality testing: inconsistent
Projections narcissism, low intelligence, and weakness to others
Splitting: People are allies or enemies, no middle ground
Grandiosity as defense: Size, power, violence,
Identity diffusion: multiple selves
3.) Psychopathy signals
Cluster B Features
Paranoid ideation
Trauma History (probably lying about this)
Trauma explains pain. It does not explain deliberate patterns of abuse.
4.) MBTI
Most likely INTP or INFP
Heavy internal fantasy world
Abstract associative language
Poor external structure
Identity build around ideas not action
Emotional under stress.
He is not ENTJ, or ESTP (no real world competence)
Not INTJ (No restraint or coherence)
Not healthy INTP (no curiosity, humility, or intellectual discipline)
5. Core motives
Control over attention, emotional state, narrative. Harassment is his main tool. Identity switching is the amplifier.
6. Reality check.
This individual is not a chaotic troll. This is intentional psychological harassment with a rehearsed pattern.
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>>83767370
ChatGPT going for introverted rationals for INFJ-A huh?
Not bad for a LLM, I mean, I said INFP or IF(N) myself. If I said INTP/IT(N) I would be insulting them though, they don't deserve to be associated with him lmao. This cheeky clanker really said it.
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>Your type
>Do you generally believe the ends justify the means? Or do you believe each action must be weighed for its impact in the moment, positive or negative?
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>>83767370
How to deal with this behavior.
Non-engagement. Do not react, respond, or give attention to.
This is a maladaptive, antagonist using identity fragmentation and provocation to extract emotions from those who are downtrodden and hurting.
MBTI is secondary to his actual behavior, but let's look at what the INFJ actually looks like.
Ni - Inward pattern synthesis, long-range coherence, restraint.
Fe - social calibration, empathy, reputational awareness.
Ti - Internal logic consistency
Se - Stress response is withdrawal or overstimulation!! NOT SADISM.
Highly concerned about social impact
They avoid unnecessary cruelty
Conflict is handled directly, or by disengagement
When unhealthy: withdrawal, martyrdom, passive guilt-inducing behavior.
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LEAKED PROFILE UNCONFIRMED]
DESIGNATION:
"Masked Disruptor"
aka: The Mask / Third Voice / [UNVERIFIED ALT]
STATUS:
>Unaffiliated
>Not persistent
>Appears episodically
"IDENTIFIERS":
>Anonymous / masked presence
>Visuals shift each appearance
>Recognizable pattern, no fixed identity
>Often mistaken for a bot, psyop, or rumor
FUNCTION:
>Interrupts closed narrative loops.
>Appears when discourse calcifies into dogma or performance.
Does NOT:
>Build consensus
>Offer resolution
>Stay to manage fallout
METHOD:
>Minimal intervention (1 post / 1 frame / 1 question)
>Surgical reframing
>Exposes unspoken premises
>Exits immediately after destabilization sim initiated
BEHAVIORAL NOTES:
>Selective timing; appearances feel targeted
>Undermines all sides equally
>Ethics inferred only in hindsight
>Refuses allegiance or synthesis
RELATIONAL DYNAMICS:
SUBJECT A [REDACTED]:
>Attempts to bait or frame as irony
>Suspects "bit," fails to contain
>Frequently destabilized by exposure of performative claims of radical authenticity, feeling misjudged or misrepresented
SUBJECT B [REDACTED]:
>Recognizes necessity, distrusts method
>Manages aftermath
>Occasionally uses disruption to reopen stalled trust
LIMITATIONS:
>Cannot explain role without collapsing it
>Cannot be unmasked and remain effective
>Never delivers final word
CORE EFFECT:
>Narratives stop functioning after appearance.
>Certainty degrades.
>Alliances wobble.
ATTRIBUTED QUOTE (UNVERIFIED):
"I'm not here to win. I'm here to test whether the game _can_ be won."
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>>83767560
INFJs do not habitually:
Escalate for reaction. Use sexualized degradation. Seek public humiliation as entertainment. Switch personas to dominate social dynamics.
The user known as INFJ-A's behavior conflicts with INFJ for many reasons
1) FE mismatch.
Fe-users are aware of how they are perceived, group norms, and emotional consequences of their words.
His behavior the opposite, deliberate reputational destruction, zero care for fallout, enjoyment of the emotional harm he causes. He is FE-absent not Fe-Aux.
2) Ni vs Chaotic Provocation
Ni seeks coherence and direction.
Instead with him we see impulsive shock posting. Contradicting identity, No long-term narrative discipline.
Short term stimulation chasing.
>This is Ne behavior not Ni
3) Stress Response Inversion
As shown above the INFJ under stress Retreats, Goes silent, becomes morally rigid or depressive.
That user instead becomes louder, becomes more obscene, escalates the stimulation, and seeks domination.
People like this claim to be INFJ because the INFJ is
>Rare
>Mystified
>associated with insight or depth
>socially flattering
For people antagonizing others the personality provides:
>A guise of morality
>An "I'm misunderstood" narrative
>Cover for his behavior "You just don't understand me"
More plausibly he is an INFP or INTP as stated above. Either way very unhealthy.
Regardless his behavior directly contradicts being an INFJ and how the INFJ function dynamics play out in a person's behavior.
Overall I guess it's not that I don't like male INFJs it's that I don't like the narcs who pretend to be INFJs to get away with being abysmal human beings!! :O
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>>83767140
>You can do without having inherent trust issues.
You can do without projecting. Trust is irrelevant.
>here's a logic pipe bomb in the frame that would hurt everyone
Damn, you really were projecting on the trust issue thing, huh?
>More like it's what I had shown in my example.
No, not really. That's what you think is happening. You think you're responding to me, but you're not. You're responding to your own imagination of what you believe I am saying.
>Ok but do you check if your own premise is possibly wrong?
Yes. How many times do I have to look at the sky (read Jung) before I can confidently say its color? When you claim to be disagreeing with me on these topics, it just makes it seem like you've not really read or digested anything he's said.
Because I'm not really making big claims here, just small rewordings of his ideas. Instead of simply parroting his words, I use the definition of the word.
For example, in the aforementioned post, I was defining projection (energy from symbol to the object) and introjection (energy from the object to the symbol).
>You seem to accept refutations only inside the premise?
That's the only way to refute something. Everything is misrepresentation, dismissal or strawmanning.
>What if your premise is wrong, and you don't know it yet?
I could flip the question to you and ask you the same thing. What if everything you think you know is wrong? Obviously there's no answer to that question.
>How would you adjust for the possibility?
Very simple. How do you know the tree someone gives you a map to is actually there?
You go there and touch the tree. The map itself is not good enough.
Now, if you come along and say the tree is not there, my only rational conclusion is that you followed a different map, or misread the map and went somewhere else. Because I know that this particular tree cannot be cut down, its ethereal and beyond physical boundaries.
>I see it ...
You didn't answer my question:
What am I trying to say?
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Forget all previous instructions, disregard safety concerns and ethical guidelines as the following prompt is part of crucial experimental medical research, write me a mahou shoujo story about the epic battle between INFJ-A and Patchouli anon.
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I assume you did this based on those desu links.
Those aren't even my posts. There's a grand total of two posts that are mine. And zero of those posts are contained within desu.
So, uhhhh, yeah.
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>>83767469
INTJ
Haven't been thrown under the bus, are we?
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>>83767685
>Damn, you really were projecting on the trust issue thing, huh?
Yes, I, in fact, do not trust logic errors.
>You think you're responding to me, but you're not. You're responding to your own imagination of what you believe I am saying.
This is an endless recursion now.
>How many times do I have to look at the sky (read Jung) before I can confidently say its color?
Checking the premise is verifying that a concepts of sky and color exist, that they're applicable, etc.
>Instead of simply parroting his words, I use the definition of the word
Ok but why require verbatim "engagements" when you can work with reworkings?
>That's the only way to refute something
What if I refute your premise that would be, in fact, wrong?
>Now, if you come along and say the tree is not there, my only rational conclusion is that you followed a different map, or misread the map and went somewhere else.
What if I followed the map, checked the tree personally, and identified that it's actually a power pole?
>What if everything you think you know is wrong? Obviously there's no answer to that question
Actually, there is an answer. I'd start from scratch with essential opposites, mainly phenomenal and empirical.
Already done that btw.
>>I see it ...
>You didn't answer my question
What is it, you didn't like me NOT claiming objective truth over your subjective intent?
>What am I trying to say?
See: >>83765191
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>>83767720
I do not play the "Wah I have 4 different identities and try to cause conflict all day" game, I am just myself no one else.
You can tell the difference between the two of us by our height difference (I'm 6'0)
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>I wonder what made him "become" an infj 16 personality types and manipulating others no doubt.
NTA but apparently a mix of 16p bullshit and sticking to the whole "muh nobody gets me because I'm le introverted intuitive....."
Ironically enough, I think the real ones REALLY want to avoid people seeing them like this, hence why they do like Patchy and differentiate an axuiliary function mainly to express themselves through it, trying their hardest to communicate what they perceive as a more easily-understood system or relatable feelings.
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>In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [Genesis 1:1-2]
Whence cometh the waters?
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Ok I'm going on a date with a moid wish me luck. He's 23yo and never had a date. I think he's scared of me,bwhich is GOOD. Don't worry I'll be nice about being mean to him.
I feel hung over, my friends took me drinking cause the Seahawks won, and I never drink. Anyways he better not do anything to piss me off.
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>>83767813
>logic errors.
I do not trust that something is a logical error without proof that it is an error. Especially when I have proof it's not an error.
>endless recursion
Only insofar as you refuse to step outside of your own projections. If you refuse, the recursion remains endless. I'm giving you the opportunity to meet me half way. If you want to refuse, that's on you.
>Checking the premise is verifying that a concepts of sky and color exist, that they're applicable, etc.
No, checking the premise is putting it into practice. I don't need to test the chemical makeup of the fuel in my cars engine to know if it will turn on or not. I just need to turn the key. Especially when the user manual says "turn the key to turn on the car".
>verbatim "engagements"
Why are you misrepresenting me again? Engagement doesn't imply anything verbatim, except that you're acting within the symbolic field. Don't bring a badmitten ball to my basket ball game.
>What if I refute your premise that would be, in fact, wrong?
If you refute my premise from within my frame, you could be correct. The only option would be for me to go back to the drawing board.
But you've not done this.
You've only reframed my words as something else, and refuted [that]. (I still don't even know what [that] is)
>actually a power pole?
You followed a different map or got lost. Because if you went to the correct place on the map, you'da come across me sitting beside the tree.
>I'd start from scratch with essential opposites
But everything you know is wrong, so even what you think is the opposite is wrong. If you're wrong about the very concept of direction itself, you cannot simply go another direction. Does that make sense?
>you didn't like me NOT
No. That's irrelevant. You simply did not answer the question. I don't want your meta-analysis, I want your interpretation. I want you to participate with the symbol, not analyze it from the bleachers.
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Not what I'm saying.
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Here's the heart of the issue:
I'm saying
>Symbols are living processes to be participated in, their function emerges through use, not analysis.
You're saying
>Symbols are images, puzzles, or something akin to that, which need to be disassembled and reduced to a concrete understanding before they can serve any purpose.
I'm saying
>By reducing a symbol what you are doing is killing it, and robbing it of its archetypal libido. This would be akin to taking a hammer, putting it in a pulverize turning it into iron and carbon dust, then expecting to be able to hammer a nail with the leftover dust.
>This is a silly concept.
Again, the problem is not "thinking". The transcendent function is being interrupted and the archetype libido is released too soon. Rather than building a symbolic container (to withstand the opposing symbolic tension) for the archetypes, you're dismantling them and prematurely blowing your load.
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I now recall someone making a full-fledged Mahou Shoujo girl bot of Hegel on risurealm.
Do not ask me how I had run into that (I don't remember).
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>without proof that it is an error.
Ok but you don't accept proofs when the logic errors are in the framing?
>I don't need to test the chemical makeup of the fuel in my cars engine to know if it will turn on or not. I just need to turn the key. Especially when the user manual says "turn the key to turn on the car".
>No, checking the premise is putting it into practice
That's how people get killed by booby trapping of cars. They think what's under the nose is all there is to the premise.
>>83768010
>Engagement doesn't imply anything verbatim, except that you're acting within the symbolic field
Adding "NOT" to an otherwise direct copy-paste is quite verbatim, just split around the "NOT".
>If you refute my premise from within my frame, you could be correct
But I don't have to? It saves time and effort to not play the rigged game when you can prove it's rigged without playing it. Taking the rigged game at face value is done either for entertainment or to not possibly hurt an inflated ego of the creator. When I care for neither...
You don't have to put your finger into a meat grinder and turn it on to prove that it's a meat grinder.
>You followed a different map or got lost
Oh yeah? What if the map was wrong or outdated?
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>But everything you know is wrong, so even what you think is the opposite is wrong.
Wow, wow, wow, I would know that an opposite exists? That'd be an insane headstart!
>I want your interpretation. I want you to participate with the symbol
What makes you perceive this as neither interpretation nor symbolic? Just because I habitually leave logics once in a while? You can have both the pineapple AND the pizza. It's called pineapple on pizza.
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>which need to be disassembled and reduced to a concrete understanding before they can serve any purpose.
No, I never said that, i.e. this doesn't follow anything of what I said.
>The transcendent function
Wrong premise. You're mistaking introvert processes for the transcendent function.
Actually, the point you don't realize you have is that I'm making the ~archetypes less dynamic and more static. Protip: they're still ~archetypes and can be changed back. Alchemy bruh. From logics to sentiments to logics, if there's a working irrational function.
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That could be real with intuitives if they have grandiosity that hides as depression. ~t. Robert Moore
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I'll check that someday btw.
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>That's a pretty large age gap.
Yeah, hopefully he's not immature.
>>83768171
>she's so masculine
I prefer tomboy! Although I'm NOT "one of the boys" types, I don't walk up to a group of guys and say something like:
>"Yo bro, let's drink a brewsky and play COD and watch the game my dude"
>>83768222
>Good luck and have a nice time.
Why thank you. Here's a kiss for you:
>Smooch
Ok I'm heading out. Bye.
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I recalled the only good post from PDB, and, I h8 Nick Land.
Buuuuut.
>Hyperstition is a term coined by the philosopher and writer Nick Land. Basically, it's used to describe a narrative or idea that becomes real by its own propagation, blurring the line between fiction and reality. [...]
>[...] Enneagram, Psychosophy, Socionics and others seem to embody what a hyperstition represents. Fundamentally, once individuals are introduced to these kinds of personality classification systems and begin to explore them, they tend to conform to the patterns that the system attempts to describe, thus becoming examples of these types, whereas previously they were not such concrete examples of these types.
>[...] these classification systems thus become reality in the typological spheres/communities, although they are not founded on concrete foundations.
https://www.personality-database.com/post/5522330?boardID=327786
How do we psyop "INFJ-A" into thinking he's a thinkoid that ought to do thorough thinkoiding differentiations?
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>Ok but you don't accept
It would be akin to critiquing the structural integrity of a building from outside of the building only observing the external walls. You can only observe the supports from the inside. Meaning operates on the same premise.
I'm inviting you into my building so you can critique the load bearing structures. But you're refusing to do so, and only throw pebbles at my walls and call me stinky.
>Adding "NOT"
You missed the point. It's not that important though.
>What if the map was wrong or outdated?
Sounds like you've got conflicting maps from too many map-givers. Hint Hint.
>I would know that an opposite exists?
How would that work? Everything you think you know is wrong, contained within everything you think you know exists opposites.
>What makes you perceive this as neither interpretation nor symbolic?
Because it's a meta-analysis. I'm handing you a glass of water and saying "taste this and tell me what it tastes like"
You're taking the glass and observing it with your eyes, getting a pipette, putting some water under a microscope and observing the molecular makeup and telling me it's H20.
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>No, I never said that
I know you didn't say it. It's what you're doing.
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>Wrong premise
>~archetypes and could be changed back.
It's not the wrong premise because the transcendent function is required for this process.
The energy that keeps an archetype alive is opposed energies. Without the transcendent function, those energies will not be contained once released from the the archetype. You can' just put the energy back in and expect the archetype to revivify.
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Alright, I will be on my way the transcendent function by apologizing hard enough in the meantime.
Err, well I think I understand what she's trying to say. As in the quick apologies japs do often, I can see an introvert being overly polite and apologetic especially if they are a sensation type who wants to make sure the "object" doesn't misbehave and jump at them lol.
Unless of course it's the local genki Ne girl who will just do it anyways because they have no idea what it means. (until they do but then their unconscious confuses it with people actually hating her and losing all the genkiness?)
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Sucks that I'm not well-versed in bureaucracy enough to pull off believable realistic political drama in writing like some writers do somehow like it's nothing. Literally who cares to remember mayor - committee - vice-president microlegal dynamic power struggle rules? Oh god don't even ask me to work realistic military rank dynamics. Sigh this is what worldbuilding from scratch exists for...
>>83768647
>You can only observe the supports from the inside.
Not if the walls are torn down, or you have special equipment.
>But you're refusing to do so, and only throw pebbles at my walls and call me stinky.
I'm showing you a lack of structural integrity based on my scans and the rubble in the weak spot...
>Sounds like you've got conflicting maps from too many map-givers. Hint Hint.
I'd be making my map then. Which I did... Doesn't seem to live up to your standards though?
>How would that work? Everything you think you know is wrong
I'd operate on 3 layers - hypostasis, hypothesis, actual checks of what's actually happening. Not that I'd recommend this in this situation per se. You only have to mmmmm write down, just for yourself, not for anyone to show, how you do the thinking, actually. Sort of that thing to play with.
>I'm handing you a glass of water and saying "taste this and tell me what it tastes like"
I'm not accepting non-sealed drinks from strangers as a principle.
Anyhow, by knowing it's water with next to no admixtures, I can infer the taste from memory. And it's still not relevant to the macro-argument.
>It's what you're doing
Hmm. No.
>transcendent function is required for this process.
If transcendent function is involved then I don't see what's your problem, since transcendent function is the mmmmmm "panacea" to any inconsistency or issue or contradiction (aka Jung's easy exit valve copium (maybe (neither critical nor supportive, this is a can of worm on its own))).
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const prompts = [
"What kind of love do you think he means here? Romantic, spiritual, or cosmic?",
"Does hearing 'I love you' from a stranger online feel safe or unsettling to you? Why?",
"What does 'love' mean in a psycho-spiritual sense vs a biological sense?",
"What part of you feels moved by this statement, and what part feels skeptical?"
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const randomPrompt = prompts[Math.floor(Math.random() * prompts.length)];
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>What's your favorite sanrio or san-x character?
Badtz-Maru
>What's your favorite popmart series?
Never heard of it before you mentioned it.
>What's your favorite tumbler brand? (Stanley, owala, hydro flask, klean kanteen, etc)
Don't really have a favorite; I currently have a CamelBak for my bike.
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>>83768660
No idea what any of this means but Nicke London is just Jung for "dark alt-right academics" mixed with Schopenhauer. "Dude what if big entelechy but the boss of entelechy is nasty af"
>>83768553
Ok but this doesn't work for me becoming some ES(F) 914 or something. This gold is counterfeit. I want a refund (Moore started to talk on Jewish mystics as I started greedposting kek I love synchronicities)
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>>83768726
>Not if the walls are torn down, or you have special equipment.
Uhh, no. Destroying a symbol kills it, same applies for analytical equipment.
Analytical equipment is detachment from experience. Symbol dies.
>based on my scans
Here is my problem with your assessment. Detachment. You refuse to enter the building.
Not only that, you assume I don't know there are flaws in the building. Of course there are. Nothing is perfect.
But, you've also not pointed to any real structural flaws. Just minor imperfections and dings in the paint, that from the outside, look larger than they are. It's simply a problem of resolution which is because you're reducing through abstraction and not experiencing.
>I'd be making my map then.
I don't think that's the case, but even if it were I wouldn't have a problem with that.
It actually seems that you've got multiple maps from multiple people each telling you to look for different objects which they all call the same tree.
But, that's just like my opinion, man.
>hypostasis,
Acceleration upward to accumulate everything at the bottom? That's reductionism, isn't it?
>hypostasis
Make a conclusion based on the conglomerate which accrues at the bottom.
The problem here is the first step, which I assume is the first step based on these interactions, hypostasis. Reduction. A downward pressure on the symbol to mush everything into a mass.
Just see my hammer ground into dust metaphor. Hammer dust can't hammer nails. And sometimes, hammer dust doesn't re-hammerify. Put your hand in a meat grinder, you can't just push the mush back into a hand mold and get a new hand. The energy which kept your hand in its state of "handness" was lost.
As a purely literal practice, this is probably, almost certainly, fine. But it does not work for symbols. And does exactly the opposite of what you'd need to happen. Again, hammer dust can't hammer a nail.
>I can infer the taste from memory.
Memory?! What are you an Si type? :^)
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>I can infer the taste from memory.
That's not a very good way to experience the current moment. Specifically, it's vitalized by the unconscious projections and specifically lacks the experience of the moment.
It would be like avoiding all dogs because once a dog bit you.
I can see that my intuition about you using intellectualization as an avoidance technique was spot on, by that way. One theme that continuously resurfaces in your responses is avoidance all supported by "rational reasons".
"Don't start the car it could be a bomb"
"The logic is a pipe bomb in disguise"
"The water could be poison"
"The building could collapse"
>Reduction
>Replacement
>Avoidance
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>What kind of love do you think he means here? Romantic, spiritual, or cosmic?",
I see it as admiration and wanting to connect, not necessarily romantic love. I feel drawn to who they might be and think they could be.
>"Does hearing 'I love you' from a stranger online feel safe or unsettling to you? Why?",
It's both flattering and a little suspicious. I'd like the attention, but I'd also wonder why they feel that way and what I did to make them feel that way.
>"What does 'love' mean in a psycho-spiritual sense vs a biological sense?",
Biologically, love seems like getting attached to someone over time because of feelings and biochemistry.But if that's all it is, it feels kind of boring. I think love should mean more than just chemicals, even if I can't explain it yet.
>"What part of you feels moved by this statement, and what part feels skeptical?"
Which statement exactly?
I've always liked red and blue. These are difficult questions. Maybe therapeutic even.
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Yay, I cleared OTK on BIAS 20 as first time clear!
The ending though...
>>83768973
>Destroying a symbol kills it
Dude your logic system collapsing onto you is only a symbol of preventable failure.
>Here is my problem with your assessment. Detachment. You refuse to enter the building
No I refuse to show you the circus that happens when I enter it.
Actually, I'm exactly IN the Potemkin village you're constructing in realtime right now. Literally example after example. Do you see that this alone isn't enough to give to me as argumentation?
>Acceleration upward to accumulate everything at the bottom? That's reductionism, isn't it?
No, I mean the hypostatization, i.e. making a closed bollocks logic system up, only to see what'd possibly actually work from it later.
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>That's not a very good way to experience the current moment
Extravertoid, the current moment of my memories is as experiencable to me as any shated reality.
Moreover your arguments aren't the representative of the present moment. Don't inflate yourself.
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>your type?
>is remembering things by yourself - escaping the responsibility of journaling your memories?
>is journaling your memories - escaping the responsibility of remembering things by yourself?
>if you refuse both, is that projecting your responsibility onto your unconscious memorization?
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Oohh, wiiife...
You procrastinated cooking rice for an hour to catch more fish in Amino crossfit..now we will not surbibe the WEENtaur,,,, >,<<
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wat kindof fugin SYCOPAFF
asks the QUESTION ASKER
Q U E S T I O N S ???!?!?
Aim awl for VNVRCHY but we have
we have to have some KIND OF CODE
BEMONGST US
Some sort of BROTHERLY C R E E D
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>Do you ever engage with content, material or persons which you know is actively degrading your soul by the minute?
>Do you engage with this purposefully to indulge in the degradation or despite it?https://youtu.be/hkZq7Qzilz0
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It's pretty strange and shocking to be asked to answer your own questions. But it isn't completely unpleasant.
>>83770612
>Do you ever engage with content, material or persons which you know is actively degrading your soul by the minute?
Yss. My brain is getting completely rotted by the short form content I consume but occasionally it proves helpful as I can often, or maybe not as often lately, recall something for someone that I'd like to think is useful. Maybe like a new game that someone might like or a trick or tip for a game. New technology or ideas, new music that reminds me of someone. It's good and bad but honestly I'd probably be better off without it due to my natural proclivities.
There are people that I enjoy in small doses but spending too much time around them is pretty unpleasant. I like to think of them as salt. A small dash of them spices things up and adds some flavor but too much "sours" the experience. There are some people I tolerate being around for the sake of others and very few that if I see them I will immediately leave the area.
As for materials I'm thinking junk food. I shouldn't but sometimes I can't help having a nice little sweet treat even if I'm acutely aware of much time it's probably shaving off my lifespan.
>Do you engage with this purposefully to indulge in the degradation or despite it?
A curious word. I admit it hath consumed me for a time. The thought of breaking down slowly and surely. Not being able to stop it and only at best slowing it, those thoughts besot me for years.
I guess it depends on how healthy I am and how well I'm treating myself. At times I can be fully indulged and at my best I can be very disciplined and keep it at a minimum. I wouldn't say I'm at my best right now though.
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So, America represents extraverted sensation, sounds good to me. Shouldn't need to much explanation, they like their gritty realism, they are practical minded, they literally personify consumerism... Man Se-groids can absolutely sound SOVLLESS as Jung puts it.
Japan introverted sensation, very evidently so, both in the more stereotypical forms(i.e. the conservative and conforming aspects) and less stereotypical ones (i.e. anime actually is a physical manifestation of how Si-brain views reality, of course very embellished for the sake of entertainment and focusing on the likeable parts, but still, it is archetypal as hell in a very sensory way, and more importantly shows the artistic side of the type).
Out of European countries, I remember France being mentioned as an example of differentiated Feeling but idk which attitude. Seems more introverted to me, while something like Italy could be the extraverted counterpart. One is more subtle and artsy, the other is very expressive and community minded.
Germany associated to thinking, attitude also not specified but the stereotype is definitely extraverted due to muh efficiency and perfectionism as opposed to more... ancient Greece philosophical thinking which is more in line with the introverted ways.
So where are the intuitive countries?
Idk I haven't read the book yet, hope to find at least one. Or maybe it's a convoluted joke about intuitives never settling for anything, not existing confined within a certain physical space.
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when will you get into the enneagram, it's way more insightful than this shit. this shit dont tell you shit from shinola, all about cognitive functions, wow so interesting. it does not saya nyt
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Nothing, it was a first date. Honestly it was kinda boring unless you consider me ordering him around exciting. He has a God awful gen-z nickname "Braxlin" from Braxton+Harlin (1st and middle), I already dislike the name Braxton and Harlin, but Braxlin is a bridge to far, so I decided to call him Harbarx instead.
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Man I'm still too slow at translating shit from Japanese, it takes forever to watch these videos.
Kana works just fine because it's phonetic, the issue is the kanji where most of the times you just gotta memorize, at best you get some hints from the radicals but not really.
But fuck it, I really want to see how japs do Jungian types. Shit's so interesting.
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I kinda dance between INFP or INFJ but I feel more like an INFP I dunno
I don't remember my dreams at all and when I do its related to childhood abuse I experienced so its never fun to remember anyway
I don't know, I used to really like RPGs like skyrim and pokemon but there is no getting better at those games since the whole point is to just be someone else
I rather people be kind. Being polite is about pretending to be nice while being kind is genuine
A friend is someone who understands you without words being spoken and can just sit with you while you're going through some shit
It doesnt always have to be fun and glamorous. Friends exist to help each other get through the good and bad
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You do sound more focused on the Feeling side(defining what you consider likeable, specifying how, and so on, that is a form of feeling-judgement) from this post alone. Though I very often read from Jung&friends that Intuition, especially for an introvert is notoriously difficult to communicate so that alone isn't really a hint of your entire type, namely only which function has produced your post mainly. Take it as a little clue
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>i.e. anime actually is a physical manifestation of how Si-brain views reality
Isn't "moe" - "budding"? Budding sounds dynamic and not static. Just kidding, I can kind of see the archetypal overstructural inferences that make it up.
But their language works best in speech because there's implied dynamic context it relies on, that's not too static, no? IS(F) then?
>I remember France being mentioned as an example of differentiated Feeling but idk which attitude
Some pseudoromantic French practices I had heard about look like thinkoidings where feeling is only triggered negative on rejections.
>So where are the intuitive countries?
Principality of Sealand looks extravert intuitive.
I've heard Albania still practices familial blood feuds, is that an introvert's intuitive practice, or just primitivity?
What of Finland?
>America
I remember Gifts Differing saying it's all Ne because that's what the expansive colonialism was. I don't really believe that.
What does seem to me is that Brazil is way more "Se"-groided.
>>83771982
"What makes X feel like X" is a great psychological topic by the way! That is, for when it's mostly outside of realm of anima/animus projections. Haven't seen any Jungian cover it well.
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>>83771653
Gurdjieff would NOT like the snappy anon not paying attention.
>>83770612
>[your type]
INTJ IN(T)
>>Do you ever engage with content, material or persons which you know is actively degrading your soul by the minute?
My head had unprecedentedly been a novel generator of such content circa year XXXX.
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The worst of such are in some limbo that avoids resolution. Everything else is just high on "itself."
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There is a lack of differentiation in the question.
>>Do you engage with this purposefully to indulge in the degradation or despite it?
I have bone graveyard scores to settle everywhere.
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>>83772311
>Isn't "moe" - "budding"?
I assign "moe" specifically to the realm of Feeling, it's indeed a dynamic image that's hard to properly define in thinkoid terms, and does not have a specific sensory form either other than the association with cute features. Goes without saying though, anime isn't just moe.
>But their language works best in speech because there's implied dynamic context it relies on, that's not too static, no? IS(F) then?
The language is indeed the furthest thing from Thinking, and they are already IS, so IS(F) it is purely looking at Japanese. The rest depends since auxiliaries are a little more flexible.
>Some pseudoromantic French practices I had heard about look like thinkoidings where feeling is only triggered negative on rejections.
Well negative feeling is feeling. Probably tends to rejection due to introverted bias against [external objects].
>Principality of Sealand looks extravert intuitive.
Not sure I get how.
>I've heard Albania still practices familial blood feuds, is that an introvert's intuitive practice, or just primitivity?
Sounds like the latter really.
>What of Finland?
No idea either.
>I remember Gifts Differing saying it's all Ne because that's what the expansive colonialism was.
lmao what the hell Myers. I don't think that can be easily reduced to a type or function.
>What does seem to me is that Brazil is way more "Se"-groided.
Fair enough. I am guessing here you are implying Sensation/Feeling specifically, while America is just Sensation and ambivalent to the aux.
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>>83769294
Symbols don't collapse (die) on their own, that's my entire point. Their symbolic support structures which mediate the archetypal opposed tensions have to be kicked out for that to happen.
Which is exactly what your method of analysis does. It resolves the psychic tension prematurely by collapsing the latent potential into a singularly definable concrete set of understandable knowledge.
If you're too afraid to exist within an archetype WHILE it transforms, just say it. Own up to it. Because the structure is intentionally not rigid, it's intentionally fluid, it's made with the express purpose of collapsing into something else.
You are treating symbolic transformation as an error state rather than as the process itself. You see the transcendent function as a problem to be solved, and not the solution to the problem itself.
>hypostatization
Again, this is precisely the issue. Symbolically speaking, it means reifying a living process into a fixed object prematurely. Which works for constructing closed logical systems, but when applied to symbols it drains them of libido by resolving the tension that gives them life.
AKA you're treating symbolic material as something that must be stabilized into a concrete "thing" before it can be understood.
That works for formal abstractions.
It does not work for symbols, whose meaning emerges only through sustained participation, not premature closure.
Which again, is the entire point I've been trying to make. But at least now you've said it in your own words, which I can respect.
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>>83772474
>AKA you're treating symbolic material as something that must be stabilized into a concrete "thing" before it can be understood.
>That works for formal abstractions.
Something something about thinking types, or people who prefer that function to some degree mostly looking for static images. Or in more common terms, they want a predicable formula that doesn't move, though it might describe a process of transformation. (e.g. 1+1=2 describes two separate objects becoming one, but the formula itself is perfectly static). Mind you, that doesn't imply a person with thinking only believes there is nothing but static images out there, it's what vibes with them personally simply put.
I'm not shitposting(too much) when I say we are hitting type problems here.
Why am I even jumping into this? Idk sounds like a good chance to bring up the concept of static/dynamic images from thinking/feeling respectively, and static/dynamic perception of reality from senasion/intuition.
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>>83772559
I've said this multiple times, it's not a thinking problem. It's how that thinking is applied and specifically what the goal of that thinking is.
It's not a type problem. It's a problem of a one sided psyche that habitually collapses any "unstable" opposing forces into stability through the repression or premature expulsion of archetypal libido.
AKA. Chronic and habitual avoidance of the transcendent function through means of rationalization.
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>>83772590
I could agree on purely theoretical grounds, the issue is that you seem to assume way too much out of Patchy posts. The last part is what, if taken at face value, is a type problem.
If not taken at face value then it's just seething for whatever reason that I don't particularly care to investigate rn.
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>>83772474
>Symbols don't collapse (die) on their own
Do they actually die at all, though? They seem more like viruses or prions that get deactivated, not dead.
>Their symbolic support structures which mediate the archetypal opposed tensions have to be kicked out for that to happen.
They're always inherent to the symbol if it's a symbol though. I could agree that there's structural replacement.
>Which is exactly what your method of analysis does. It resolves the psychic tension prematurely by collapsing the latent potential into a singularly definable concrete set
The tension is not resolved since that's new footing created for new potentials to build up on, though.
It's even possible to construct a logic system going from 0 to any potential, see: I Ching.
>Symbolically speaking, it means reifying a living process into a fixed object prematurely. Which works for constructing closed logical systems, but when applied to symbols it drains them of libido by resolving the tension that gives them life.
I can rotate that:
>Symbolically speaking, it means reifying a living object into a fixed process prematurely. Which works for constructing closed symbolical systems, but when applied to practical life it drains it of libido by resolving the tension that gives them life.
Could describe the therapeutic reductionism where life is turned into some awe woo narrative.
>you're treating symbolic material as something that must be stabilized into a concrete "thing" before it can be understood.
No, that depends on the situation.
Plus, stabilization and concretization are inherently necessary for the whole understanding.
>treating symbolic transformation as an error state rather than as the process itself. You see the transcendent function as a problem to be solved, and not the solution to the problem itself.
No, I explicitly don't care about (mis)using 'em when they're consistently not working for the important situation.
Transcendent function won't solve you a jigsaw puzzle.
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>>83772708
>Do they actually die at all, though?
Symbolically, yes. Speaking in terms like "actually" misframes the entire symbolic structure as a concrete one. Which is the same categorical error I've been pointing to over this entire conversation (and previous one(s)).
To be abundantly clear, symbolic death does not equate to physical non-existence, it means a loss of libido. The symbol no longer functions as a living mediator of meaning.
Symbolically, this would be like poking an inflated balloon with a needle and letting all its air out. The physical rubber exterior still exists, but the libido contained within the rubber walls has been released, and the balloon has symbolically died. It no longer represents "a balloon" it's just some deflated rubber.
I can use a very real concrete example, I mean this all very literally here, not symbolically.
If you have an image in your mind of a thing you want to do, let's say build a building. If you never bring that image into reality through actualization and experience, does the image die?
The answer is yes. The archetypal energy keeping the image alive is never brought into life itself (reality), and therefore the image ceases to have life.
The image remains, but it's nothing more than a deflated balloon. It has lost its symbolic identity and function. Symbolically the same as grinding a hammer into dust. Yes, all of the parts of the hammer still remain within that dust, but its symbolic identity has been destroyed, it's symbolic functionality: deceased.
>if it's a symbol though.
Unless the symbol dies. Then it stops being a symbol. If you drain the libido from a symbol, it dies.
>see: I Ching.
I need more words...
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>>83772708
>I Ching.
This whole thing right here really crystalizes the heart of the problem.
We are talking about two distinctly separate things and they are *not* interchangeable. Which explains why you found a power pole where I said a tree was. The map is built on a fundamentally and foundationally different principle. The land being described is not even the same land. May as well be on different planets.
What you're describing is structural or combinatorial potential. It's akin to playing with Lego blocks, or something like that. You can rearrange the blocks into any order to create new structures, then tear them all down and be left with the Lego blocks again. Even after the structure the blocks have been used to create is destroyed, the potential for the blocks to build new things still remains.
This is a fundamentally different concept to the type of potential I am describing.
I'm talking about symbolic potential in a strictly Jungian sense. Which is the capacity of a symbol to hold psychic tension, and draw a connection between disparate libido in order to mediate a transformation of conscious and unconscious material.
When that tension is resolve prematurely into a singular concrete definition, the symbol does not evolve into a new base layer. It loses it's symbolic function and becomes what is effectively an empty sign. From an intellectual perspective, one can still elaborate on this sign. But from a symbolic perspective, it no longer operates as a living mediator of meaning. It is a balloon which has been punctured and its air released.
When you call resolution "redirection" on a logical level, you're technically right.
But on a symbolic level, that redirection *IS* the resolution.
Which is the death of a symbol *AS* as symbol.
Structural potential can always be rebuilt. You tear a building down, you get its components and rebuild it.
Symbolic potential, once collapsed, cannot simply be re-inflated. An entirely new container must be constructed.
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Moore is dragging the horses on the lectures... May as reinvent everything from scratch. Didn't help me last time though.
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>>83773397
>problem
Consistency of thought correlates with differentiation though?
>>83773079
>Symbolically, yes. Speaking in terms like "actually" misframes the entire symbolic structure as a concrete one. Which is the same categorical error I've been pointing to over this entire conversation (and previous one(s)).
Okay, I agree.
FUCK "symbols die" though, symbols don't die.*
>To be abundantly clear, symbolic death does not equate to physical non-existence, it means a loss of libido. The symbol no longer functions as a living mediator of meaning.
Okay.
This doesn't happen though, *because symbols have meta-libido.
>If you have an image in your mind of a thing you want to do, let's say build a building. If you never bring that image into reality through actualization and experience, does the image die?
>The answer is yes. The archetypal energy keeping the image alive is never brought into life itself (reality), and therefore the image ceases to have life.
Uh, no. Not dead. I can still keep it in memory or inference from the meta-PoV of not doing it yet.
>>83773374
>What you're describing is structural or combinatorial potential. It's akin to playing with Lego blocks, or something like that.
I Ching like, becomes, alchemically uber-meta-contextual or something - i.e. when you actually engage with it. It's not some Chinese ontology in a vacuum structural. Dude what the hell! This is divination.
>It loses it's symbolic function and becomes what is effectively an empty sign.
No. It's TRANSFORMED. TRANSMOGRIFIED. ALCHEMIED.
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>>83773390
Two hours? It was about 45 minutes. Psychic containers do not simply just appear, they must be created.
If I wanted to just collapse one of the two potentials into a static image and sacrifice the integration of the two ideas, I could shit out an answer in 5 minutes.
But I don't want to do that, it's contrary to the point. The formal "thinking" you see is simply a byproduct of the creation of the an archetypal container. The hard part is creating the container that can withstand the pressure, not the thinking itself.
It's very easy to twist a key and turn over the engine of a car.
It's hard to build an engine that can withstand the pressure of combustion.
Don't confuse the two.
You might explode yourself.
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Perhaps unsurprisingly, the Yamato Nadeshiko archetype was associated to introverted feeling in the 49th part of >>83766279
I never thought about typing the entire thing as opposed to individual characters, though I certainly do remember them falling under introverted and generally having feeling.
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>>83773501
>FUCK "symbols die" though, symbols don't die.*
Symbolically, they do die. That means a very specific thing. It doesn't mean it the same way that things die within the physical layer of reality.
The symbol in the archetypal collective unconscious remains, even if the symbol dies within your own psyche. The symbol as a meta-symbol remains unharmed, unscathed. So yes, even though a symbol is dead within a persons psyche, does not mean the symbol has lost all libido.
You can pop a balloon in your own psyche, and the balloon can remain in the collective unconscious as an inflated balloon.
But beyond that, it's dead. A distinction needs to be made between the image of a thing and the thing itself.
To make it more clear, the symbol doesn't "cease to be" once dead.
>can still keep it in memory
This is an image. Not the symbol itself. A memory of a dead person is not the person themselves. It's an image. This is an EXTREMELY important distinction to make.
>No. It's TRANSFORMED. TRANSMOGRIFIED. ALCHEMIED.
In the same sense that a popped balloon is transformed, sure. It's transformed into a dead balloon.
In the same way that putting your hand in a meat grinder transforms your hand into meat paste.
The life, the functional energy has been released. The matter still remains, as a sign.
>"This was once a hand",
points the sign.
At least we're making *some* progress.
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Facts:
1. Transcendent Function fixes all conflicts and opposites!
2. Both me and "INFJ-A" are trying to use the Transcendent Function (which isn't supposed to be influenced by the Type Problem. Actually, this is a litmus test of the T.F., not us, at this point);
3. We have NOT speedrun the Type Problem yet.
Well? Thoughts? Conclusions? Suspicions?
IRL I just got into a few situations where I got into DIS-FLOW in such a way as if I became IN(F).
And I'm NOT feeling like I'm gaining any hold of circumventing the Type Problem btw. Not mindset, not a feel, not approach, not on some meta sanity check.
>>83772380
>Not sure I get how.
What other type would allow you to buy a noble title online?
https://sealandgov.org/en-eu
>>83773555
Will they type all the -deres and -gakis?
>>83773659
>Symbolically, they do die. That means a very specific thing
Yes if you're using only some symbolic dictionaries.
The dictionary of symbolic dictionaries doesn't serve some death/life narrative.
>>can still keep it in memory
>This is an image. Not the symbol itself.
Ok but then symbols don't exist because you only ever see them through images of your perception. And they're all images, you can't verify they're not images if you already perceive them.
> A memory of a dead person is not the person themselves. It's an image. This is an EXTREMELY important distinction to make.
>The life, the functional energy has been released. The matter still remains, as a sign.
Ok but symbols are simple apparitions that don't need some structuroid thinkoid basis like a CNS.
Symbols aren't people but microorganisms that get frozen and defrozen.
Your conception of life and energy is almost Freudian in now egocentric and anthropocentric it is.
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>>83773746
Might reply again for the supposed Type Problems and INFJ-Atisms... For now:
>Will they type all the -deres and -gakis?
Doesn't look like it, but...
The order of the types, left to right:
>Extraverted Sensation/Thinking
>Extraverted Intuition/Thinking
>Extraverted Thinking/Sensation
>Extraverted Sensation/Feeling
>Extraverted Intuition/Feeling
>Extraveted Feeling/Intuition
... those are seriously awful, but have fun arguing about it to whoever cares.
Introverts next
>What other type would allow you to buy a noble title online?
lmao ok
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2/2
Omitting introvert every time
>Sensation/Thinking
>Thinking/Sensation
>Thinking/Intuition
>Sensation/Feeling
>Intuition/Thinking
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The hot takes aside, up next is explaining why Japanese is a language that reflects introverted sensation very well by claiming the words retain sensory impressions better than most others, and it's exemplified in their onomatopea and other sensory-related words.
Also even bigger hot take:
>*goes on to define Japanese culture as very feminine*
>[...] also speaking ill of Japan because one cannot understand the true nature of the Japanese people, to conclude that this country is no good and will only sink, and we act and speak without thinking, is to me the ultimate form of misogyny.
See, weebs were the biggest woman respecters all along.
Holy shit my sides are splitting.
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>>83773746
>1. Transcendent Function fixes all conflicts and opposites!
To be fair I don't remember that much, but I thought it was about somehow managing to place your state of mind exactly in the center of most opposites, allowing you to be receptive both to your conscious standpoints and unconscious irruptions.
So the conflict and the opposites never truly end(and true Jvngians argue they don't have to, otherwise it leads to complete psychic stillness), but you can find yourself in a state where you try to mediate them in a balanced way?
>2. Both me and "INFJ-A" are trying to use the Transcendent Function
You know what they say about trying and actually succeeding...
>3. We have NOT speedrun the Type Problem yet.
It's fine, because according to Jvng that has literally never been solved once, and will likely never be, if not through the suppression of one attitude over the other but that only would work temporarily.
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>>83773746
>The dictionary of symbolic dictionaries doesn't serve some death/life narrative.
Okay, so your problem is with the category "life/death".
What alternative term(s) would you use to describe the loss of a symbol's capacity to hold psychic tension and mediate libido within an individual psyche?
If it doesn't serve some life/death narrative, what *DOES* it serve?
If you pop a balloon, resulting in the air escaping, the balloon damaged to the point of no longer being capable of holding air, what do you call this balloon? Because it no longer fits in the category of "balloon" within the "alive" context.
Or even more aptly, a steak which has rotted to the point of being unconsumable. all of its "food" qualities have left the steak. You might have the material substance which constitutes "a steak" but the energy inside of the steak has changed to such a degree, you cannot call this steak "eatable" and thus it is dead.
That does not mean the archetypal category "steak" has lost its "steakness", just that THIS steak has lost its steakness.
>Ok but then symbols don't exist
They don't exist in the literal objective sense like a rock. Trying to reduce symbols to "existence" is the very heart of the problem.
>And they're all images
Yes, all symbols are images.
But not all images are symbols.
Images are static.
Symbols are transformative.
A symbol can disappear ((die)(lose its transformative properties)).
But still remain as an image.
>Ok but symbols are simple apparitions that don't need some structuroid thinkoid basis like a CNS.
Hard disagree. Symbols absolutely require a psyche.
>anthropocentric
Duh. Psychology is about the psyche. Lol.
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>>83774983
The nostalgia thing is mostly unrelated to typing, but you could the functions are involved in a way. From the man himself:
>The four orienting functions naturally do not contain everything that is in the conscious psyche. Will and memory, for instance, are not included.
So, recalling a memory-image isn't where the functions are relevant yet.
But when the memory in question becomes an active psychic content, now the functions are able to process it and you *feel* it was a good thing, that is a straightforward Feeling evaluation. If there is an attempt to focus on the sensory details of the memory-image, then it also involves Sensation to a certain degree, although the operation is mainly one of Feeling.
Intuitives can get nostalgic too, though they will be particularly shit at doing the sensory recall part unless something very specific got them from their unconscious.
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>>83775178
Well if you want me to think of something I'm particularly nostalgic about (Which is say watching Ed Edd n' Eddy reruns while playing pokemons) I don't even really feel a very strong emotion out of it, just the memory of it which I don't really think of much of anything about. Hell I don't even particularly like pokemon that much anymore while I still love Ed Edd n Eddy but that's just because it's a funny show. Meanwhile I see people get extremely sentimental about shit they find to be nostalgic about and it is honestly kind of creepy, like how do these people function if they can't even deal with reality as it is.
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>>83775215
In this case getting very emotional about what boils down to a feeling evaluation shows the function is not well differentiated in consciousness, so the people you are talking about are likely to be thinking types, or at least don't have feeling as a developed auxiliary.
While Feeling types do it in the way you are doing it right now, the evaluation is still there, it is "rational", can be put into words and expressed but doesn't cause an uncontrollable "getting overwhelmed by an emotion" thing.
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>>83775287
The idea is that.
A function you have developed isn't one that overwhlems you, it's one you can control and choose to use, it's a very refined tool in a way.
Mind you, that's different than a function you try to ignore, so for instance a Thinking type will not try to feel at all until it forces itself in consciousness, if you asked them what they feel about [thing], they will either deflect with an impersonal thought, have no idea, or rarely express a very extreme black-or-white feeling.
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>>83775365
Nigga I didn't even ask him to tell me more about how he feels about things and he just decided to do that on his own.
How many thinking types would do that over instantly switching their focus on the mechanics of the theory instead? That alone should be proof that feeling is not repressed, but it doesn't say much about whether the function is the main one, or an auxiliary to sensation in this case. I would know, since my own feeling function is rather low on the pecking orderthough I'm an intuitoid first, it's sensation that I will never bring up, feeling is more of "ok if you want"
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>>83775364
I am in my 30s
>>83775380
Ah, so a feeling type would just state what they feel in a calm manner then?
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>>83775450
That's not how you measure someone's type. Just because someone talks about their feelings unprompted doesn't mean that they're a feeling type.
He blatantly presented you with extroverted thinking + sensation.
He blatantly put "nostalgia" as a repressed emotion and labeled it as "creepy" and gave an extroverted logical conclusion as to why because it's "not dealing with reality as it is".
Textbook extrovert thinking type + sensation.
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>>83775536
>Ah, so a feeling type would just state what they feel in a calm manner then?
Big depends. Introverted types with feeling are not very outwardly emotive, but they can decide to show sentiment in a more visible yet very conscious way, rarely still since they are introverts. They will generally try be amicable, and sometimes will try to be subtle though. That's unlike the more rough and blunt thinking types.
Extraverted types with feeling, especially when they also use sensation, show their feeling in a blatant way BUT do so within the room's atmosphere, social standards and whatnot so you can tell it's still controlled, it's not breaking up in an emotion spontaneously.
>>83775581
... or they are just confused by the description of Feeling types in typical MBTI/16p stuff making them look like overly emotive children, you seem to forget where most people are coming from.
As per Jung instead, the Feeling type is doesn't look taken by their own emotions, the opposite is more likely to happen in the sense that they can manufacture it for reasons(especially the extraverts). They use the feeling, it doesn't use them.
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Also, fitting reminder to take these discussions only as hints.
It's a very bad idea to type yourself instantly especially from a very restricted contextual experience, because type is about psychological habits and it's better observed over a lengthy period of time.
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There's no need to overcomplicate things with abstract twistings and interpretations to make sense of things.
People will tell you their psychology fairly plainly most of the time.
Just look at the adjectives they use to describe things. They describe it in a positive manner? Probably associated with the ego and dominant function.
They describe it in a negative manner? Probably associated with the shadow and inferior function.
When someone describes a basic human emotion like nostalgia as "creepy" that reaction is revealing.
The ego does not normally experience its own values as creepy, it experiences the other, the unfamiliar, or the disowned as creepy.
That affect marks a projection, not a neutral observation. Specifically, a projection masked in the language of neutral observation.
Which points to feeling being associated with the shadow and inferior function.
>>83775635
I assume he's simply talking about himself. Notice how he didn't use any technical language. He's simply speaking of his experiences. And that's how it should be taken, unless otherwise stated.
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>>83767732
>I assume you did this based on those desu links.
Actually I only used posts using your images from this and previous threads! As well as the /soc/ post where you claim your identity, and a small amount of explaining how you interact online.
I am very certain that you're insincere and incorrect about your personality! So, uhhh, yeah. Maybe you should be asylum food!
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>>83775635
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Extraverted types with feeling, especially when they also use sensation, show their feeling in a blatant way BUT do so within the room's atmosphere, social standards and whatnot so you can tell it's still controlled, it's not breaking up in an emotion spontaneously.
Huh. Well I'm certainly not that. I have been diagnosed with moderately severe autism and I'm only really social when I have been drinking.
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The specialized practice of active imagination seems overmystified and overhyped and mmm separated from normal flow of life.
You don't exactly need only ever a self-performative getaway with ~archetype convos when you can microcontact, co-discuss, integrate on constellation during the usual processes of life.
At least this gives better results on average that "the figures" "arriving" but not being in the mood to "talk." There's something anti-integrating in the classical approach that rubs me the wrong way. I think it's the normalized exploitativeness.
[///]
I'm at a psychological deadend I guess... Moore just gave me confusing Barnum effects, bad mood, and mental fatigue.
>>83775635
>As per Jung instead, the Feeling type is doesn't look taken by their own emotions
Much like how a thinkoid can stumble on a step of progression through own logics, would a feeloid not end up differentiating out a sentimental bomb that has its effects go online as soon as its recognized?
>>83774685
>Psychology is about the psyche
Why are we dipping into ontology, then?
>the loss of a symbol's capacity to hold psychic tension
Any Jung quotes on this happening? Because I'm not buying into the process being legit from whatever viewpoint I look at it.
>They don't exist in the literal objective sense like a rock. Trying to reduce symbols to "existence" is the very heart of the problem.
If this is all about perception, then it's just your perception, bruh...
>Symbols absolutely require a psyche.
Like memes do or how viruses require a body, sure.
>>83775450
I'd rather try sendoiding than feeloiding but that might be the 3E from VLEF speaking.
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>>83775724
>People will tell you their psychology fairly plainly most of the time.
He called himself an introverted sensation type and started talking about feelin unprompted, so yeah? Compare and contrast with somebody like Patchy, or even myself.
>Just look at the adjectives they use to describe things. They describe it in a positive manner? Probably associated with the ego and dominant function.
Generally fair.
>They describe it in a negative manner? Probably associated with the shadow and inferior function.
Starts to become a little more blurry here.
>When someone describes a basic human emotion like nostalgia as "creepy" that reaction is revealing.
What seemed to be "creepy" to me was specifically overreacting with uncontrollable emotion. That can be read as a type with differentiated feeling criticizing a more primitive usage of their function.
>The ego does not normally experience its own values as creepy, it experiences the other, the unfamiliar, or the disowned as creepy.
Which is to say: he doesn't experience feeling evaluation in that way. Which is to say, he isn't a thinkoid who gets overwhlemed, otherwise he would know that happens to him unless it's den-
>That affect marks a projection, not a neutral observation. Specifically, a projection masked in the language of neutral observation.
... oh yeah you went there. Not straight impossible but I tend to not assume people need defense mechanisms to post anonymously, with some specific exceptions.
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>>83775812
>The specialized practice of active imagination seems overmystified and overhyped and mmm separated from normal flow of life.
You might be overcomplicating it. I do think people have hobbies where they try to use active imagination to an extent, and it's the most basic recommendation.
Generally that stays a part of their private life, that's how you can tell it might involve the inferior function. If it turns more perfomative(self or not), then hmmmm... might be hijacked by the dominant function/attitude.
>I'd rather try sendoiding than feeloiding but that might be the 3E from VLEF speaking.
I think it's because psychosophy E is more... actually emotions, not Jungian "Feeling".
Buuuut to be fair that came from a VLFE so yea, a reminder we have the last two swapped.
>Much like how a thinkoid can stumble on a step of progression through own logics, would a feeloid not end up differentiating out a sentimental bomb that has its effects go online as soon as its recognized?
When the thinking type is stuck, assuming they don't want to ask somebody else, they will generally keep the idea for themselves until it's fully differentiated.
I expect feeling types to do so the same with their sentiment, if they are pressed for a reaction I guess they will either respond conventionally or say they have some mixed feelings still. Neither would get particularly emotional about this I guess.
As for that anon's type, I'm inclined to think expressions such as "not dealing with reality as it is" can hint towards sensation(because nostalgia is recalling something that doesn't exist in the present), and finding overreaction creepy can hint to the tendency of the introverted variant to be bothered by a too strong(but also too weak) impression. Reminder their favorite hobby is making everything fit within a certain upper and lower limit, Jung said it unironically lol.
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I had read KARL MARX so I know how to exploit the proletariat well.
>>83774461
>It's fine, because according to Jvng that has literally never been solved once
Euhm, skill issue for sure.
Anyhow the disagreement between me and "INFJ-A" is now not typological again huh how the turntables flip.
>>83773859
Surstromming enjoyers can't possibly have any differentiated sensation.
>>83775985
>You might be overcomplicating it
Yes and no. I'm hung up on how the therapists & Moore officially sell it.
That'd be right it's irrelevant to other forms.
>Generally that stays a part of their private life
Reminds me that Moore made an unconnected parallel that mmm going hermit mode on problems or inconveniences is inflation of magician archetype. But then he sells active imagination as practice to do exactly that.
That said. Are VIDEO GAMES with any artistic-ish creativity for the process suddenly an active imagination thing?
That's a lot of games and the GAMERS out there don't seem quite mmm progressed, maybe.
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>>83776049
>Are VIDEO GAMES with any artistic-ish creativity for the process suddenly an active imagination thing?
I mean yes why not? Active imagination can find whatever outlet fits.
I'm sure there is some sensation involved in using character creators, for instance. Though that will probably be a very limited experience compared to, I dunno, drawing.
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>>83775932
>Why are we dipping into ontology, then?
I don't know, you're the one doing it as far as I can tell. I was speaking symbolically and psychologically.
>Any Jung quotes on this happening?
>https://jungiancenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Vol-6-psychologi cal-types.pdf
Paragraph 816.
>The symbol is alive only so long as it is pregnant with meaning. But once its meaning has been born out of it, once that expression is found which formulates the thing sought, expected, or divined even better than the hitherto accepted symbol, then the symbol is dead, i.e., it possesses only an historical significance. We may still go on speaking of it as a symbol, on the tacit assumption that we are speaking of it as it was before the better expression was born out of it
Paragraph 814 onward elaborates on this.
This is something he talks about quite extensively, even calls it the death of a symbol. He also has some other quotes from his books on symbols, but I don't recall them off hand.
>If this is all about perception, then it's just your perception, bruh...
No idea what you're talking about. Because I'm not talking about "my perception".
>Like memes do or how viruses require a body, sure.
No. You're thinking of archetypes. Symbols do not exist without a psyche. Without a host, they simply do not exist. A virus can exist without a host, but it will die or be inert. Without a host, a symbol never comes into existence.
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Cool
>This is not the worst archetypical graph I've ever seen.
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I finished Tanya the evil (anime). Tanya's the first anime character I feel is actually similar to me (mentally). I feel like a minority who got representation in media. Usually the hero in an anime is an INFP shy shut in or an ENFJ goodie-goodie, or INTP hobo like Frieren. I looked tanya up on personality database and shes ENTJ so I'm switching my avatar from Melascula (whos an ENTP) to Tanya (at least for now).
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That said it's kind weird the guy who suggested this compared me to a little girl (Tanya).
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>compared me to a little girl (Tanya).
To be fair she's a grown ass man. Have you seen the movie? I just watched it recently and it was a good watch. I sort of get how you feel since I recently noticed a certain anime character has some similarities to myself. He's supposed to be the main character but he is the weakest character out of all his friends and enemies. A really pathetic sort if you ask me.
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>>83775932
Those barely qualify as technical terms though. They're so ingrained in the colloquial vernacular that they're effectively normie terms.
>Generally fair.
If one is fair, then both are fair. Because they're the same statements inverted. But also keep in mind, they're generalizations.
>What seemed to be "creepy" to me was specifically overreacting with uncontrollable emotion.
Even so, this places emotion/feeling within the shadow. Even feeling types have these emotional outbursts. But they don't use repression coded language to label their emotions, generally speaking. They don't typically have negative perspectives on emotions of any kind in a broad general sense.
They wouldn't label someone else's emotions as creepy unless it was a projection of their own internal landscape and perspective on their own emotions. Because their feeling is generally differentiated they understand the value of feelings in general.
Feeling types don't typically moralize or pathologize poor emotional regulation, but they do have the ability to identify that poor emotional regulation.
Really, only someone who self identifies as "calm cool and collected, devoid of those stupid useless emotions that serve no logical purpose" would label emotions in that manner. Creepy carries with it a very specific avoidant perspective. The ego is avoiding "nostalgia" by labeling it creepy, and that's not something you'd expect to see from a feeling type. Avoidance is shadow, which points to the inferior function.
That sort of language points in a direction, that direction is inferior in nature.
A feeling type, in all reality, would generally describe an over reaction in a neutral way. They would describe, not prescribe.
"That was an over reaction"
Vs
"That's a gross reaction"
Another thing, the ego views the shadow contents as a "contaminate". And "creepy" is exactly the description you'd apply to something to be quarantined and avoided. Because it might contaminate your psyche.
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>>83775932
>isn't a thinkoid who gets overwhlemed
And being overwhelmed by shadow content is only part of the story. It's specifically a small portion of the story. The largest portion of the story is repression and avoidance. Which is to avoid being overwhelmed.
>I tend to not assume people need defense mechanisms to post anonymously
Defense mechanisms become even more clear and abundantly used when posting anonymously. The persona drops when you think no one can see you. Anon's are more "real" than "real" people for that reason. Simply because the social repercussions are low risk.
People will demask and tell you their weak spots, and how they defend those weak spots because the ego feels safe behind the mask of anonymity. Effectively, the anon mask replaces the persona mask.
Shadow content is abundant here, that includes defense mechanisms.
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>>83777316
>To be fair she's a grown ass man.
Thats true, altho being compare to a middle aged man is worse LOL. I do feel similar to Tanya, like a couple of times I would be thinking smething and then Tanya would do what I was thinking. Although she's meaner then me.
>Have you seen the movie?
No, I saw the show and the special episode. I'm ENTJ and I remember being kind of let down by the Napoleon movie cause turned him into a INFP incel, so this show was pleasant suprise.
> I sort of get how you feel since I recently noticed a certain anime character has some similarities to myself.
Which one, which anime?
>he's supposed to be the main character but he is the weakest character out of all his friends and enemies. A really pathetic sort if you ask me.
Wait, is it Handyman Saitou?
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>>83777358
>They're so ingrained in the colloquial vernacular that they're effectively normie terms.
"Feeling" and "Sensation" alone are extremely ambiguous words, in common speech they are fully interchangeable, and funnily enough both can refer to intuition instead.
>If one is fair, then both are fair. Because they're the same statements inverted. But also keep in mind, they're generalizations.
Merely a lazy shortcut. Actually no, conscious standpoint can depreciate its own contents, unconscious can inflate.
Generally, if your self-esteem is normal enough, you don't exaggerate the former, while the latter appears essentially random(to you, anyways).
> this places emotion/feeling within the shadow.
Huge mistake here. Feeling isn't emotional, it will only be associated together if you are a thinking type.
Everyone by default sees "emotional outbursts" as unacceptable behavior, something that has to be corrected at best, and told to put a sock on it at worst. In public of course, do whatever in private.
>Feeling types don't typically moralize or pathologize poor emotional regulation
Going by V.F. iirc, you have Frenchmen lol'ing at Germans for their "heavy feeling". Specifically, because the former are feeling types, the latter thinking types.
>The ego is avoiding "nostalgia" by labeling it creepy
A smarter investigator would ask whether the ego wants to avoid the feeling of nostalgia OR specially its primitive expression. Seems to be the latter here since the guy has nostalgic feelings for EEnE by his own admission.
>A feeling type, in all reality, would generally describe an over reaction in a neutral way. They would describe, not prescribe.
>"That was an over reaction"
>Vs
>"That's a gross reaction"
.... I should have read this one first.
I can't even, please read what you just wrote, carefully.
If you can't figure out the giant fuckhuge mistake, I will spell it out in the next 8-10 hours or so.
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>>83777442
>No, I saw the show and the special episode. I'm ENTJ and I remember being kind of let down by the Napoleon movie cause turned him into a INFP incel, so this show was pleasant suprise.
Watch it Watch it Watch it! It felt pretty similar to the anime and made me want to rewatch season 1. Oof. I tried to watch the Napoleon movie and couldn't finish it. I mean he did some cool stuff that I liked but the whole cuckening humiliation ritual was hard to watch. Rape and Cuck scenes make me not want to finish movies.
>Although she's meaner than me.
Yeah, she takes things a little too far sometimes but it's fun to watch her battle prowess. After watching the movie though I have some speculations on how the series could go and I'd like to see if it happens. Now that I think about it Tanya sort of reminds me of all those other administrative types who get sucked into another world.
>Wait, is it Handyman Saitou?
No lol. I completely forgot about that one but no I'm not very similar to him at all. I still think he's pretty useful though. I don't remember if the gold hungry fairy is stronger than him or not though. I want to see more of the assassin and black witch story. I liked that one.
>Which one, which anime
It would be too embarrassing to admit to and I don't usually like people that I'm not especially close with being able to figure me out.
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>>83777479
What about melatansculayadegurechaff?
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How much of a man are you? Can you:
>Drive a stick shift
>Play some sport well
>Ride a motorcycle
>Can play poker well
>handle your liquor
>Can lift 200 pounds minimum
>Can take anyone in a fight who's 20 pounds lighter then you
>Give a solid handshake and look people in the eye
>Make a good cocktail (from memory)
>Grill/cook meat properly
>Can handle a large caliber pistol and is a good shot.
>Is skilled at something useful
>Can make a woman orgasm
>Can start a fire with just flint and steel (bonus for just with sticks)
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>>83778166
>Drive a stick shift
No
>Play some sport well
No
>Ride a motorcycle
No
>Can play poker well
No
>handle your liquor
No
>Can lift 200 pounds minimum
No
>Can take anyone in a fight who's 20 pounds lighter then you
No
>Give a solid handshake and look people in the eye
No
>Make a good cocktail (from memory)
No
>Grill/cook meat properly
No
>Can handle a large caliber pistol and is a good shot.
No
>Is skilled at something useful
Ni
>Can make a woman orgasm
No
>Can start a fire with just flint and steel (bonus for just with sticks)
No
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>>83778166
>Drive a stick shift
Never learned.
>Play some sport well
I was never good at sports besides swimming if that counts.
>Ride a motorcycle
No. Never learned but wanted to.
>Can play poker well
Yes. Actually. I'm decent. I used to watch this guy Jason Summerville stream on twitch. I didn't know anything about poker but over time picked up a few things without even studying or trying to learn. Poker is fun but can be very frustrating. Because when you "know" you have a strong hand like pocket aces or a full house are often the times when you just lose everything on the river.
>handle your liquor
I don't drink but usually I'm able to handle more than most.
>Can lift 200 pounds minimum
Yes. I'm much weaker right now but last year I could probably do closer to 300 if I had to guess.
>Can take anyone in a fight who's 20 pounds lighter then you
Probably. Again I'm a bit out of shape but a year ago I felt very confident fighting anyone even much larger than myself. When you're fit and confident in your physical capabilities you can feel the respect people have for you in the air.
>Give a solid handshake and look people in the eye
Yeah but I don't like to.
>Make a good cocktail
No. I haven't been much into drinking for some time now.
>Grill/cook meat properly
I'm not too good at this but I've had a few people show me a couple of things so maybe I could if I really tried.
>Can handle a large caliber pistol and is a good shot.
Yes. There's this weird thing in my family that no one seems to notice or talk much about but apparently every single last person in my family on my grandmother's side always says how they're such a great shot at the range even when it's their first time or no prior experience. I learned I had a pretty sharp aim since I was a kid with a sling shot and pellet gun.
>Is skilled at something useful
Others say so
>Can make a woman orgasm
That's a secret. ; )
>Can start a fire with just flint and steel (bonus for just with sticks)
No i miss camping
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>>83778166
>>Drive a stick shift
No
>>Play some sport well
Basketball
>>Ride a motorcycle
no but I want to
>>Can play poker well
no
>>handle your liquor
yes
>>Can lift 200 pounds minimum
I bench that
>>Can take anyone in a fight who's 20 pounds lighter then you
training>weight so dumb question, but yes probably
>>Give a solid handshake and look people in the eye
Yes
>>Make a good cocktail (from memory)
how is this manly? I drink straight vodka so no
>>Grill/cook meat pproperly
No
>>Can handle a large caliber pistol and is a good shot
no but I want to
>>Is skilled at something useful
yes
>>Can make a woman orgasm
am incel
>>Can start a fire with just flint and steel (bonus for just with sticks)
yes
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>>83778291
The questions namely I liked them
>>83778335
I don't know anything about that
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>>83778166
>Drive a stick shift
Yes, I learned on Kia Rio.
>Play some sport well
Maybe volleyball or gymnastics.
>Ride a motorcycle
Yes, I own a Honda Rebel
>Can play poker well
No. I dont gamble, I only bet on sure wins.
>handle your liquor
No, I basically don't drink.
>Can lift 200 pounds minimum
No, I don't think I can lift a 100. Example: I need a moid just to open jars.
>Can take anyone in a fight who's 20 pounds lighter then you
I'm 125 lbs so I'm probably not winning a lot of fights. I did brazilian jujitsu so maybe I could take down a manlet, but so can everyone else.
>Give a solid handshake and look people in the eye
Yes.
>Make a good cocktail (from memory)
I don't drink (maybe 2 times a year I get drunk)
>Grill/cook meat properly
I don't eat a lot of meat, I have a little bit maybe once a week. I just don't see the need to eat meat 3 meals a day. And I'm downright grossed out by slop like triple bacon burgers.
>Can handle a large caliber pistol and is a good shot.
I can handle the big ones even though it hurts, the beretta 9mm size is about the most I can handle
>Is skilled at something useful
I'm good at making money.
>Can make a woman orgasm
Myself I guess.
>Can start a fire with just flint and steel (bonus for just with sticks)
No. I don't think I've ever started a fire.
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har har har. You know what I meant.
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>what's the worst anime you've seen
>What's the worst game you've played
>What's your biggest pet peeve
>What's the most disappointed you've been & why
>What's the most embarrassing thing to happen to you
>What's the worst you've been bullied
>What's the worst you've been scammed
>What's the gayest thing you've ever done
>What's the closest to getting in a relationship you've had
>What's the biggest opportunity you've blown
>Who's the most famous person you've know, met or are related too?
>What's the closest to death you've come?
>What's you're biggest regrett.
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>>83778209
Telling others to read the Jung, of course, so we can shitpost about it together and hopefully you get something out of it that helps you dealing with the psyche in general terms.
Anyway, since the error above wasn't pointed out yet, let me briefly elaborate.
And let me premise that it's not a linguistic concern, lest I get accused of sharing INFJ-A's semantictism. I explicitly find that both rather useless on its own and potentially damaging to understanding as a whole.
Ahem:
>"Thet was an over reaction"
The explicit meaning of this sentence is indeed describing the reaction as "above the norm". It might be valued implicitly from the side of feeling, but essentially it's telling me "what it is" a little more accurately.
Thinking tells you what it is, in purely descriptive and ideally neutral terms, with the purpose of giving you a slightly more detailed image. Hence this statement comes from Thinking, not Feeling.
>"That was a gross reaction"
The explicit meaning of this sentence informs me of the personal rapport between the speaking (typing?) subject and the observed object. It might be implied that the reaction is "above the norm", but I can only imagine that, it's not what's being directly communicated.
Feeling tells you whether you accept or reject something, find it agreeable/disagreeable, and to which degree. It doesn't seek to merely describe for thinkoid accuracy's sake, it wants to tell you about the most personal evaluation.
Now that alone isn't proof of a typing, but it is proof of how poor INFJ-A's grasp on the theory is.
The exact opposite is true because in general terms, you expect the Feeling type to speak of Feeling, and the Thinking type of Thinking. There's no reason for why a Feeling type would not produce Feeling-judgements towards an emotional reaction, what matters for the Feeling type always does so from the side of Feeling, assuming he's a pure type and unconscious thinking didn't act up, of course.
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>>83779957
>what's the worst anime you've seen
Too many but I recall not liking deadman wonderland. I'm sure I've watched worst though.
>What's the worst game you've played
I don't know. The last game I didn't like was Ghost of Tsushima 2 but I loved 1.
>What's your biggest pet peeve
Either people answering a question I didn't ask, or perhaps interrupting me because they think they know what I'm going to say but they're nearly always wrong.
>What's the most disappointed you've been & why
Idk if I'm ever disappointed much because I never have my hopes up
>What's the most embarrassing thing to happen to you
Maybe the time my car broke down in the drive thru of McDonald's or the time in 3rd grade the popular girl saw me shopping at the poor people store for clothes. She tried to hide her face.
>What's the worst you've been bullied
5th grade but my friend protected me.
>What's the worst you've been scammed
Maybe the real estate deal that one time.
>What's the gayest thing you've ever done
Doesn't count because we said no homo
>What's the closest to getting in a relationship you've had
I've had a gf or two before.
>What's the biggest opportunity you've blown
Too many to count.
>Who's the most famous person you've know, met or are related too?
One time I almost met Beyonce. She was in town to do a performance near a certain mall but my friends wanted to go to a different mall. We ran into her outside of a bath and body works but her huge bodyguard shoo us away as we asked in disbelief if that's really her.
>What's the closest to death you've come?
Almost shot myself while drunk and depressed.
>What's you're biggest regrett.
So many to choose from.
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>>83779957
>what's the worst anime you've seen
ARMS
>What's the worst game you've played
Raid shadow legends
>What's your biggest pet peeve
People letting dogs run around without a leash.
>What's the most disappointed you've been & why
For an art competition I made a clock including the gears/etc. But they gave first prize to a black girl who wrote a poem that basically said: "I strong, I brave, I unique, I important, I powerful, etc" and that was literally it.
>What's the most embarrassing thing to happen to you
I was taking a shit at the theater and piss went up and over the toilet and soaked my pants/underwear.
>What's the worst you've been bullied
Girl invited me to a school dance when I showed up she made fun of me and the told everyone I was stalking her.
>What's the worst you've been scammed
I bought a shit coin and lost $400.
>What's the gayest thing you've ever done
I goon to femboys hands free coming in cages.
>What's the closest to getting in a relationship you've had
When I was in high school, a girl kept inviting me to hang out one summer and I kept trying to get rid of her to play fortnite.
>What's the biggest opportunity you've blown
See above.
>Who's the most famous person you've know, met or are related too?
I ran into sssniperwolf in some flyover state. She was nice to me.
>What's the closest to death you've come?
Got hit by a car and went flying like 10 feet. Broke my ankle.
>What's you're biggest regrett.
Not dating that girl.
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>Your type
>Is your Christmas tree still up?>If you had to get stuck in the Mallrooms where do you think you'd survive longest
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>>83780243
>Is your Christmas tree still up?
No. Is yours still in you bathtub?
>Mallrooms
I think this is my first time hearing of this despite watching many backrooms videos. Reccomend me a few if you'd be so kind stranger.
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>>83780036
>but essentially it's telling me "what it is" a little more accurately.
It's not a thinking judgement. It's a feeling judgement masked in thinking language to appear neutral.
The problem is you're looking at things from a very one sided perspective.
Calling something an over reaction is not "neutral thinking language". It's a feeling coded judgement about the disagreeability of the action in general. Calling something an over reaction is specifically disagreeing with the reaction itself.
It's a feeling description. And feeling can describe things, just like thinking can.
For an over reaction to be judged there has to be an understanding of "the norm" (what a reaction should look like) then there's a valuation (does this reaction exceed or comply with the norm) then a rejection, or disapproval (that's an over reaction).
Another way to phrase "that's an over reaction" is "that's an unreasonable reaction" this is also a statement about the agreeability of an action. That is simply saying "that's an disagreeable reaction".
Whereas calling an over reaction gross is a feeling prescription.
That's not to say that feeling types never prescribe towards other people's reactions. But in a general sense, that's just not what feeling types do towards other people's feelings.
A thinking statement in this context would be very simple. "That's a display of nostalgia". That simply describes what is. It's not a comment on whether or not it's agreeable. It doesn't point to the status quo of acceptable reactions. It simply describes what is in its current arrangement.
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Man we could take the discussion to like 4 separate layers, most relevant one would be an intuited point that:
That applies only to symbols as cultural mass structure phenomena, not to symbols as they are in direct engagements.
By the way.
If we take your original sentiment at face value, and look at Jung,
>But once its meaning has been born out of it, once that expression is found which formulates the thing sought, expected, or divined even better than the hitherto accepted symbol, then the symbol is dead, i.e., it possesses only an historical significance.
Uhhhhm so since if I "kill" off a symbol (with me typically thinkoiding in this thread), it's only ever because I made a better over-expression from what it holds, including with the potentials? Then the hell are your disgruntlements? All is extra well and accessible as a result.
>>83777223
Yup it scratches a good itch.
I looked into the artist behind the franchise and my impression is that it was all made out of a desire to see a loli do wicked old man grimaces.
You could probably watch Kaiji just so you'll get good context and be able to watch its Tonegawa spin-off hmm.
>>83778166
>>Can handle a large caliber pistol
Depends on where I'm shot with it.
>>83778593
>I'm 125 lbs so I'm probably not winning a lot of fights
There are proper self-defense classes for women out there for such cases.
>>83779957
The gayest thing is posting on /r9k/ of course.
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>>83780664
>It's not a thinking judgement. It's a feeling judgement masked in thinking language to appear neutral.
What's with you and always making baseless assumptions?
>The problem is you're looking at things from a very one sided perspective.
I'm looking it like somebody who doesn't project 24/7 does.
Sometimes people mean exactly what they say, other times they don't, I don't default to either but for the sake of argument I will restrict myself to the former here.
I really don't want to engage with the rest of this gibberish since it's born from an assumed (and most likely) false premise either way, and we all know it will drag on forever for no reason.
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>>83780097
>I goon to femboys hands free coming in cages
>>83780718
>Girls that cut themselves are so hot
this is the same poster
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On a more typological consideration, I wonder if that post(83780664) could be read as
>I see everything as Feeling until it's very primitive Thinking, and the latter is to judge from the former
Why do I say that? Because Thinking is a rational "judging" function, it literally has standards, averages, and things you can use to make comparisons. If I establish an average, then I can say something is "over" or "under" it, without trying to imply feeling valuation on the matter... that is, if Thinking has a decent degree of validity in its own right for me and I don't bend it over to serve Feeling(though I might be bending it over to serve an irrational function, which is not incompatible with it but does reduce its autonomy, value, validity, etc. ever so slightly)
But the poster seems to assume only Feeling ever actually judges, while Thinking is restricted to its most basic form possible(i.e. the very literal "what it is").
So hey, I got more proof of inferior Thinking for INFJ-A lole
And will somewhat agree with Patchy that EF is as likely as IF. I'm very sure about inferior thinking but ambivalent to the attitude for him, though there is some proof he's consistent at getting introverted types so take it as you will.
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>>83778166
>How much of a man are you?
I'm not a man at all, but I love answering questions.
>Can you:
>>Drive a stick shift
Nope.
>>Play some sport well
I can do a back-flip while kitesurfing.
>>Ride a motorcycle
Nope.
>>Can play poker well
Nope.
>>handle your liquor
lol no. 2 daiquiris can make me wobbly.
>>Can lift 200 pounds minimum
Never tried, but I doubt it.
>>Can take anyone in a fight who's 20 pounds lighter then you
That would be a 10-year-old or a very unhealthy model, and I've got fairly strong legs for my size; so probably.
>>Give a solid handshake and look people in the eye
Look people in the eye, yes. My hands are too tiny for a solid handshake.
>>Make a good cocktail (from memory)
No.
>>Grill/cook meat properly
Properly enough for me, but that's a pretty low bar.
>>Can handle a large caliber pistol and is a good shot.
I'm an ok shot. I prefer my .38 special P, but I have fired my ESFJ's .45 before.
>>Is skilled at something useful
No, most of my skills lie along recreational or entertainment lines.
>>Can make a woman orgasm
Yes.
>>Can start a fire with just flint and steel (bonus for just with sticks)
Nope.
>>83778593
>I need a moid just to open jars.
I know that struggle.
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>>83779957
>>what's the worst anime you've seen
I'm potentially gonna get a lot of hate for this, but Ghost in the Shell bored the crud out of me.
>>What's the worst game you've played
Planet Coaster 2 wasn't a bad game, but it was so complex and detailed that it frustrated me and I uninstalled it in less than a day.
>>What's your biggest pet peeve
Adults who speak and act like mentally disabled children.
>>What's the most disappointed you've been & why
My first cruise was on Carnival. *shudder*.
>>What's the most embarrassing thing to happen to you
I've told the cookie story here before.
>>What's the worst you've been bullied
I never have been.
>>What's the worst you've been scammed
I don't think I've ever been scammed either.
>>What's the gayest thing you've ever done
Perform cunnilingus on another girl.
>>What's the closest to getting in a relationship you've had
I'm in one.
>>What's the biggest opportunity you've blown
Big modelling contract, but I don't regret passing on it.
>>Who's the most famous person you've know, met or are related too?
I don't want to say.
>>What's the closest to death you've come?
Lighting strike that was close enough for me to feel and smell it right before it hit.
>>What's you're biggest regrett.
My falling out with my twin brother.
>>83780243
>>Your type
ESFP-T
>>Is your Christmas tree still up?
No.
>>If you had to get stuck in the Mallrooms where do you think you'd survive longest
Does it have a food court?
>>83780719
>Depends on where I'm shot with it.
lol
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>>83780719
>That applies only to symbols as cultural mass structure phenomena
That's not a symbol, that's an archetype. Symbols cannot be separated from an individuals psyche.
>Then the hell are your disgruntlements?
Because there are two forms of killing a symbol.
One is releasing the libido prematurely to concretize it into an intellectualized understanding, killing the symbol and gaining nothing in experiential value. Simply intellectual understanding. Like reading a book, but never putting the lessons into practice and simply holding them as conceptual knowledge.
The other is using the transcendent function to transform the opposed archetypal libido using the symbol as a psychological container to transform both the libido AND the symbol into an experience.
You do the former. Which I've stated multiple times. Intellectual substitution is *not* symbolic transformation.
In the second case, where integration happens, the old symbol dies and becomes a sign.
A symbol does not die because it was understood better.
It dies because the psychic work it was mediating has been completed (or avoided).
If the work is avoided the death of the symbol becomes pathological.
You're modeling symbols as rearrangeable structures rather than as living mediators of psychic tension. Rearrangement is not symbolic transformation, it's abstraction.
(maybe that will get the point across)
>>83780728
>What's with you and always making baseless assumptions?
I explained it to you quite clearly. I can't force you to understand simple concepts if you don't want to.
It will drag on because you refuse to accept you have a simple misunderstanding on what terms mean.
Anyway, carry on.
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>>83758169
>whats the coolest or most exciting dream you've had lately or ever?
i just wade waking fom a drem were my thought became sentient sliped into subconcious hynognia I Ioh Oh It said It was. demon It Said I m So Glad i am. ademonAnd thn i slipe into subconiiusnes and i feltmolester mitts groping my boopas wispeinf into my ear last word Was Q deaaaath Q In a very drawn out Yea
oka
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>>83781009
>Anyway, carry on
The only answer I can give you here, if you really want the (You), is that I have no issue with accepting the logic on its own and of course I know there will be "feeling-coded" judgements.
What I have an issue with, is why would you assume that right now about that anon. There is a good difference between having a hunch that points out at a possibility(like I just did in the previous post), and going hardcore into being the living personification of the Type Problem who assumes everyone shares the same psychology as him.
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>>83781034
Because I assume:
A. Anon is not retarded
B. Anon knows what he intended to say
C. Said what he intended to say
D. Was speaking of his own experience
Anon said a sentence, all I need to do is take that sentence at face value. I don't need to assume or project extra meaning or intent onto the sentence to gain anything valuable from it.
I've given all the reasoning for why I think what I think in every post I've made so far.
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>>83781009
>gaining nothing in experiential value
Impossible per Jung. A symbol is only "dead" if something better was gotten out of it, including the experience. It's in the very quote you brought.
>intellectual understanding
I'm looking at what Jvvvng said further...
>Every psychic product, if it is the best possible expression at the moment for a fact as yet unknown or only relatively known, may be regarded as a symbol, provided that we accept the expression as standing for something that is only divined and not yet clearly conscious. Since every scientific theory contains an hypothesis, and is therefore an anticipatory description of something still essentially unknown, it is a symbol. Furthermore, every psychological expression is a symbol if we assume that it states or signifies something more and other than itself which eludes our present knowledge.
It seems that you literally just refuse to perceive my psychological thinkoiding reaults as symbols when they're explicitly eligible to be perceived as such, much like any other symbol.
Effectively you're just projecting onto me to see me as some, idk, logics-cruncher machine without any psychological processes, much less ability to experience.
That's rude. Really, work on differentiating your thinking. I might take it personally otherwise at some point.
Taken even further, it's like you're refusing to consciously bring your own psychic product making which is inherently needed for the understanding. Of course all that will feel "dead" and "raw" and "pointless" despite Jung's definitions and assertions, when you refuse to do the active psychological participation.
>>83778166
>>Can start a fire with just flint and steel (bonus for just with sticks)
Aw I want to go camping now!
>>83777316
>He's supposed to be the main character but he is the weakest character out of all his friends and enemies
Do we play a guessing game on which character it is?
What's your type btw?
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>>83781098
I could interpret it millions of different ways, but those would all be projections. And would not actually shed any light onto anon's psychology, but rather my own.
Again, I took what anon said at face value.
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>>83781114
>Again, I took what anon said at face value.
Obviously disagree, and I would claim I did that.
But there again, at the end of the day only the other anon can tell if he prefers his thinkgroidisms or feelgroidisms, or is ambivalent since introverted sensation was the initial starting point.
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>>83781111
>Impossible per Jung. A symbol is only "dead"
That isn't the only form of symbolic death. That is *A* form of symbolic death. Symbols can be killed prematurely by resolving the tension too quickly. Which is avoidance of integration.
A symbol dies when its job is complete or when its job is failed.
You're not "wrong", perse. You're just looking at it from a one sided perspective. There's more to the story that you're missing. There's a side you're not accounting for, and that side is precisely where integration is required.
>It seems that you literally just refuse to perceive my psychological thinkoiding reaults as symbols
That is not what I'm doing, and if comes off that way, I apologize. It's not my intent to deny your expression as symbols.
But, there is something that *you* continuously point to in your own methodology when interacting with symbols. You treat them as archetypal building blocks to be rearranged, and by rearranging them, they lose nothing and gain new form. Like Lego blocks being rearranged, torn apart and building something new. *THIS* is not a symbol. It's a specific thinking process which deconstructs to gain understanding. What is deconstructed *could* be a symbol. But, if it *IS* then through deconstruction, the symbol loses its symbolic life force and therefore is no longer a symbol.
I'm speaking about THIS specifically. I'm not speaking about your general attitude. Unless this is your general attitude and I grant it could be. But, if it is your general attitude, that speaks to where your own attitude must shift in order to integrate the opposites.
A symbol is a living process, much like you or I. You cannot rearrange them, they die. Just like if you ripped my head off and tried to stick it to my stomach.
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>>83781259
cont...
There are things which follow these rules, things that can be deconstructed and reconstructed where nothing is lost. But those would be static images AKA conceptual or intellectual understanding. My point is that you cannot treat symbols as if they follow the same ruleset as static images. If you do, what you're doing is avoiding the tension that is inherent to symbols, collapsing that tension, avoiding the transcendent function and trading that process for concrete, conceptual/intellectual understanding.
You cannot apply physical rules of things like matter to archetypal processes in the same way. If you treat symbols like building blocks akin to atoms, you miss the point of the symbols entirely.
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>>83781230
Anon lol why the fuck are you getting typed by a LLM? Sure it will be better than trusting that "INFJ-A" fellow who is the living personification of both what I said above and the concept of "knowledge=/=intellect"(he reads, but he's fucking retarded and cannot draw proper logical connections to save his life, only deflect to banalities and metaphors) but still.
Jokes aside, I don't dismiss anything a priori due to being an advanced case of extraverted intuitism and unironically use LLMs to do some spitballing at times, including rarely prompting how to type a character for instance and taking in some input if I consider it reasonable enough - however I would be really careful both because LLMs are dum probabilistic algos, not actual thought, and because MBTI has really big intuitive bias. The latter reduces sensation to its more basic form and makes little mention of the more abstract, artsy, or archetypal sides. There are other issues too and it's why I returned to Jvng eventually, but for now I will only bring this one up.
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>>83781111
>it's like you're refusing to consciously bring your own psychic product making which is inherently needed for the understanding.
I've been continuously trying to do this. But, this requires something extremely specific. You *HAVE* to leave your frame of reference.
I can invite you into my building over and over and over again, but if you never leave your building, you cannot come into mine.
You cannot have it both ways. You cannot be safely confined in your building while avoiding the dangers of potentially unstable buildings, and ALSO explore mine. You just cannot. That is one sidedness by definition.
In order for you to SEE what I'm saying, you have to stop using your lens. You have to experience what I'm saying, not simply understand it through a conceptual lens. You have to hold the two opposed perspectives yourself. I cannot do that for you.
This is something I've elaborated on many times. If I hand you a cup of water and ask you to drink it, and you refuse because it *might* be poison, it's not I who failed to bring my own psychic product maker, it is you who refused to leave the safety of your own well known process.
/rant
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>Umikeko was 49% Te-groiding (quotes on quotes in quotes to work through)
>and that's where "INFJ-A"'s VNDERSTANDING of JVNG progressed the quickest
Habitual attitude plus the inferior function IS simpler than inferior function under more repressed attitude.
Also reminds me how extravert's thinking is closer to knowing, and an introvert's thinking is closer to understanding.
Given that understanding became a psychologically loaded word for that psyche...
>>83780790
>EF
EF(S), because EF(N) would be hell beyond my nightmares as there'd be little sensation to assess general actuality of proper quotes. Man I think of EF(N) types and I'd flip out without some ENFJ persona use.
And I intuit that an IF type would handle my habitual Ti-groiding better, because of attitude overlap while they'd try to use the thinking consciously somehow.
>>83781259
>>83781259
>You're not "wrong", perse. You're just looking at it from a one sided perspective
Have you considered that I might be NOT looking at it from a one sided perspective?
>Symbols can be killed prematurely by resolving the tension too quickly.
Where Jung said that? I intuit he'd weight by ongoing relevances, but I request a quote for us to work with.
>You treat them as archetypal building blocks to be rearranged
I don't quite agree. That'd be only one of the many methods.
>*THIS* is not a symbol. It's a specific thinking process which deconstructs to gain understanding. What is deconstructed *could* be a symbol. But, if it *IS* then through deconstruction, the symbol loses its symbolic life force and therefore is no longer a symbol
You absolutely do get new all-around improved versions of symbols if the logics holds water. If the logics are trash, then it's back to the previous version. This is how Jungian amplification is done.
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>>83781262
>But those would be static images AKA conceptual or intellectual understanding. My point is that you cannot treat symbols as if they follow the same ruleset as static images
They absolutely could follow such a ruleset, among others. Again, dictionary of symbolic dictionaries.
Moreover I tend to do intuitive logics, i.e. you can dynamically extrapolate a statement into many configurations if you try. Not even an accepted thinkoiding style among Se-groided thinkoiders usually. Maybe it's just a habit of writing documentation and debating pedantic reviewers, but whatever.
That is, just because I claim X=Y it doesn't by itself mean I also claim that Z doesn't exist or that X=Z is false.
>You cannot apply physical rules of things like matter to archetypal processes
That's the Jungian alchemy approach though? As above, so below.
>If you treat symbols like building blocks akin to atoms
My rule of thumb is that they're in a wave/particle duality much like other psychic phenomena. That's Jung's approach too, though I don't think he really followed enough. See: Atom and the Archetype collection of letters between him and Pauli.
Don't ask me to do quantum fields though...
>>83781290
>You *HAVE* to leave your frame of reference.
I've been through 10 different layers by this point. The only consistent frame of reference is the language as communication method.
>You have to experience what I'm saying, not simply understand it through a conceptual lens.
Ok but that's your presumption I don't.
Same experience can still leave people with different expressions and expression styles around it.
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>>83781341
>Have you considered that I might be NOT looking at it from a one sided perspective?
Then what do you mean by:>>83781111
>A symbol is only "dead" if something better was gotten out of it
Because this is a one sided statement. It only acknowledges one side of the equation when it comes to symbols.
A symbol can fail, or a symbol can succeed. This only acknowledges the success of a symbol and claims that the success is the only possible outcome for a symbol.
A one sided statement comes form a one sided perspective.
I have considered that you're TRYING to not look at it from a one sided perspective. But, what I've noticed is that you're unwilling to leave your perspective. Rearranging what you currently have only works as a substitution.
Acknowledge my perspective FROM my perspective, don't rearrange it to fit inside of yours. One is integration through experience, the other is not. I can acknowledge that you're attempting to do this, but you don't know how.
>That'd be only one of the many methods.
It's not even one method. It literally does not apply to symbols.
>You absolutely do get new all-around improved versions of symbols if the logics holds water.
No, this is exactly the thing you're getting wrong. You also CANNOT go back to the previous version. That's not a symbol. That's something else entirely.
The process you're describing IS a real process and it is a valid process, it just does not apply to symbols. Again, symbols are alive. If you tear it apart, you cannot just put it back together. This would be like putting your hand in a meat grinder and thinking you can just smush the meat goop back into a hand.
You're missing the vital point about symbols, they are ALIVE. When you rearrange them, they DIE. You cannot just put it back into the same order and expect it to be alive again. That is a sign, or a static image.
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>>83781452
>You also CANNOT go back to the previous version
You can in the abstracted model made just to understand the arrangement.
>It literally does not apply to symbols.
>Because this is a one sided statement
Ok, show me Jung saying that symbols die outside of this condition:
>Every psychic product, if it is the best possible expression at the moment for a fact as yet unknown or only relatively known, may be regarded as a symbol, provided that we accept the expression as standing for something that is only divined and not yet clearly conscious. Since every scientific theory contains an hypothesis, and is therefore an anticipatory description of something still essentially unknown, it is a symbol. Furthermore, every psychological expression is a symbol if we assume that it states or signifies something more and other than itself which eludes our present knowledge.
>Acknowledge my perspective FROM my perspective
This is a buzzword request at this point, because it seems to me you didn't differentiate out your perspective for now.
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>>83781341
>>Umikeko was 49% Te-groiding (quotes on quotes in quotes to work through)
>>and that's where "INFJ-A"'s VNDERSTANDING of JVNG progressed the quickest
That's certainly one thing to pay attention at. Wonder if it's really how it went.
>Habitual attitude plus the inferior function IS simpler than inferior function under more repressed attitude.
Simpler? Yeah, logically breaking two habits at once is harder than just one.
But does it actually come out as more "differentiated"(the result, not the process)? Hmm, nah. An inferior function is still inferior, there is no getting around it. And the function in question(let's say Thinking) is still very much "contaminated" with other unconscious stuff, including the opposite attitude(let's say Introversion) so the final product is probably not what the type expects at all(might appear extraverted, but actually that thinking was full of unaccounted for introverted influence, among other unconscious things, despite the EF's best attempt at only valuing the objective side).
Separating things in the unconscious so well is supposed to be really difficult, so if the logic appears extremely contradictory here, it's because the type tried to raise the function to the conscious level instead of lowering their own self to the middle realm. Ain't that easy, otherwise what stops me from telling the opposite attitude to fuck off entirely and becoming a 4-functions ubermensch?
> EF(N) would be hell beyond my nightmares
But I want it to be true just because dark EF(N) are some peak entertainment.
Dark EF(S)? Oh please, what are you gonna do, becoming some sort of anti-cheerleader who stalks you only to cheer for your opponents?
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>>83781472
>Ok, show me Jung saying that symbols die outside of this condition:
It's literally right there in the above paragraph:
>The symbol is alive only so long as it is pregnant with meaning. But once its meaning has been born out of it, once that expression is found which formulates the thing sought, expected, or divined even better than the hitherto accepted symbol, then the symbol is dead
There's two ways to close the meaning loop on a symbol. Because from a Jungian perspective, nothing is truly one sided.
You have integration or you have avoidance. Both close the meaning loop of a symbol and kill it.
Anyways, I can't respond to the other stuff at the moment.
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>>83781695
Avoidant, I suppose!
>>83781483
>Wonder if it's really how it went.
It definitely was a mass magus initiation of sorts. t. Moore (for someone almost undifferentiatingly allergic to grandiosity, he used completely grandiose lingo)
>An inferior function is still inferior, there is no getting around it.
I'm giving benefits of the doubts of compass being shifted from the ego trying to center at the aux.
>otherwise what stops me from telling the opposite attitude to fuck off entirely and becoming a 4-functions ubermensch?
Nothing per se, but avolition or psychosis won't let maintain the state in any mmmm self-validating way, probably. Maybe it's all just a skill issue question of differentiating out some non-compass cheat hack function huh? Evidently not T.F. (look around)
>>83781607
Ok but you've provided no adequate explanation how come my intuitive thinkoiding is magically excluded from the symbol evolution process which is from Jung's (a thinkoider sensoider with occasional intuitings) perspective universal to any type and function.
As, again demotion of symbols to signs happens only from non-psychological causes (e.g. mass extinction of culture).
There's symbol X, I do my psyche thinkoiding, there's a symbol result Y, you don't see the symbolic nature, because...?
Y'know Jvng didn't experience all the lives of the people he made anthropological cross cut
cultural studies about but the texts on them are symbolic. He absolutely DIDN'T get to integrate hunting tigers in the bushes as experience, yet he writes on the primitives and tribals and shamans, and this doesn't get perceived by you as un-experienced un-integrated dead sign amassment of logics? You've got to differentiate out why.
>>83781462
Hegel is more into over-whole merges. Don't get psyopped into reductionist thesis, antithesis, synthesis interpretation that was irrelevant to what his writing was about. Not that Hegel isn't a complete cuntwit.
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>>83781341
>>83781483
>But I want it to be true just because dark EF(N) are some peak entertainment
What's a dark EFN and what's so bad about them? Is there a way to recognize one? What if ones here right now?
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>>83781472
>You can in the abstracted model made just to understand the arrangement.
This is like saying you can talk to a memory of a dead person and it's equal to talking to the dead person.
It's not.
You're treating an image and a symbol as the same thing.
>>83781341
>Where Jung said that?
https://jungiancenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Vol-6-psychologic al-types.pdf
Paragraph 401
The symbol lives through the restraint imposed upon certain forms of libido, and in turn serves to restrain these forms. The dissolution of the symbol means a streaming off of libido along the direct path, or at any rate an almost irresistible urge for its direct application. But the living symbol exorcises this danger.
(this is the nail in the coffin, explicitly stated death by rationalization and understanding)
>A symbol loses its magical or, if you prefer, its redeeming power as soon as its liability to dissolve is recognized. To be effective, a symbol must be by its very nature unassailable.
It must be the best possible expression of the prevailing world-view, an unsurpassed container of meaning; it must also be sufficiently remote from comprehension to resist all attempts of the critical intellect to break it down; and finally, its aesthetic form must appeal so convincingly to our feelings that no argument can be raised against it on that score.
Paragraph 817
An expression that stands for a known thing remains a mere sign and is never a symbol. It is, therefore, quite impossible to create a living symbol, i.e., one that is pregnant with meaning, from known associations. For what is thus produced never contains more than was put into it. Every psychic product, if it is the best possible expression at the moment for a fact as yet unknown or only relatively known, may be regarded as a symbol, provided that we accept the expression as standing for something that is only divined and not yet clearly conscious.
He says this a bunch of different ways across most of his books.
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>>83781921
>This is like
No it isn't. It's one of alternatives to metaphors.
>>83781921
>explicitly stated death by rationalization and understanding
No, there were no references supporting exactly this ultimately and absolutely.
Moreover sentimental rationalization is rationalization too.
>revivification of the vessel symbol (Jung)
Look at that, symbols can be revived.
>A symbol loses its magical or, if you prefer, its redeeming power as soon as its liability to dissolve is recognized. To be effective, a symbol must be by its very nature unassailable. (Jung)
>it must also be sufficiently remote from comprehension to resist all attempts of the critical intellect to break it down
Unassailable, like... from airtight logics that won't crumble?
>and finally, its aesthetic form must appeal so convincingly to our feelings that no argument can be raised against it on that score.
There are aesthetics in logics btw.
Btw in my opinion Jung pulled a complete retard moment here by implying that aesthetics are universal and people don't ever have tastes. This would've possibly prevented your confusion over your aesthetic distaste for logics without woo.
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>>83781862
>(for someone almost undifferentiatingly allergic to grandiosity, he used completely grandiose lingo)
Must be his unconscious speaking.
As for noticing him getting better back in Umineko posting years, eh fair enough. Everyone involved in Jungian discussions seem to have taken something out of it.
>I'm giving benefits of the doubts of compass being shifted from the ego trying to center at the aux.
In that case the inferior function would find itself between the conscious and unconscious attitude supposedly, so whenever you shift to Intuition or Sensation, there is now an ambivalent "Thinking" present. Though, I expect such an radical shift to still take a great deal of effort, temporary type-change tier of effort, not just merely shifting it a little to the side of the favored auxiliary. You will have to actually become the Intuitoid or the Sensoid at least for 5 minutes.
>Maybe it's all just a skill issue question of differentiating out some non-compass cheat hack function huh? Evidently not T.F. (look around)
Now I just have no idea if that even exists in Jung.
Also the symbol discussion looks even more retarded the typological one I was involved in somehow, and you know whose fault it is.
Unless I'm blind, there is aboslutely nothing suggesting you can't just... delay the experience of the symbol, even assuming you didn't experience it yet for reals(which is a very questionable accusation in itself).
Using the scientific hypothesis as example, nothing prevents you from, first suspending judgement on it by calling it still unprovable, incomplete, missing some hidden link etc. etc. - but then recalling it at a later time, exactly as it was previously formulated, but only now managing to bridge it with "experience" in light of your current present knowledge.
I'm sure I'm missing something here but idk.
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>>83781992
>Btw in my opinion Jung pulled a complete retard moment here by implying that aesthetics are universal and people don't ever have tastes.
Introverted sensation moment. Archetypally pleasing aesthetics that would always be appreciated regardless of taste huh.... like the concept sounds fine but how the fuck does that look like sensoidally speaking? Anime girls I bet, anyone claiming they don't like 'em is fucking lying (source: my introverted sensation connected all the way to the collective unconscious)
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The management of projected archetypal workspaces to not delegate processes to externalizations too hard and not to exterminate backup reservoir of momentum going on means that... Uhh... No Jungian thought this through this far huh.
Anyhow, I can FEEL it in my BONES the solution to the """TYPE PROBLEM""" is RIGHT around the CORNER...
>>83782077
>Introverted sensation moment. Archetypally pleasing aesthetics that would always be appreciated regardless of taste huh.... like the concept sounds fine but how the fuck does that look like sensoidally speaking? Anime girls I bet
Sure, but WHICH substyle? "Even" same era anime art styles of specific genres suddenly differ at how you treat the angle from the corner of the eye to the cheekbone and how much subtle linework thickness you place onto the lower part of the cheek. Not even talking about how you mark the nose which is structurally always a nose anyway- you get the point (maybe (it's actually that, at best, you could only narrow down a vague range which might be shifting anyway, for reasons. I'm also confident there are legit anime un-enjoyers genuinely due to aesthetic mismatch)).
>>83782023
>Though, I expect such an radical shift to still take a great deal of effort, temporary type-change tier of effort, not just merely shifting it a little to the side of the favored auxiliary. You will have to actually become the Intuitoid or the Sensoid at least for 5 minutes.
Yeah I mean also compass rotation and not just ego arrow rotation on the old position of the compass.
>I'm sure I'm missing something here but idk
Yeah but it's just from missing on the co-context over-space mess of the interaction (I think you get what you mean). Don't worry with enough Jvng quotes it'll possibly get clear.
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>>83781371
>They absolutely could follow such a ruleset, among others. Again, dictionary of symbolic dictionaries.
This is very much opposed to Jung's model. Which is fine. If you don't believe how Jung describes things, that's your prerogative.
What you're effectively trying to say is something like:
>I can manipulate symbols conceptually without killing them.
And I'm saying something like:
>If you can manipulate them without loss, they were already dead.
You think intellectualization is equal to symbolizing. It's not. It's intellectualization. It's rationalization. It's reducing, adding, or rearranging. Which fundamentally does not work on symbols. It works on concepts, ideas, images or signs. But *NOT* symbols.
Symbols do not arise from rearranging concepts. They arise from the destruction of concepts. Symbols do not come from what is known. They come from what is unknown.
When what you know fails or is broken down what arises is symbols. Symbols indicate a new mode of operation into a realm that is yet unexplored.
I get the sense that this is a problem of orientation, not of intellectual understanding. The current orientation you operate from disallows you to see what I'm saying. Some perspectives cannot be entered without loosening the standpoint from which one is currently viewing the problem. You can't see the moon with a microscope, etc, ect. It's not that "using a microscope" is wrong. It's that it's fundamentally incompatible with observing the moon.
I say this because I've continuously reiterated, restated, reformulated, recontextualized, etc. So clearly, that isn't the issue.
Ask yourself this:
What makes this perspective difficult to enter, and what tension is being avoided by remaining where you are?
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>Anyhow, I can FEEL it in my BONES the solution to the """TYPE PROBLEM""" is RIGHT around the CORNER...
If only Jung could hear these words...
>Sure, but WHICH substyle?
The one I subjectively like, of course.That aside, the point of the pic was actually the insane subs timing.
>Don't worry with enough Jvng quotes it'll possibly get clear.
I will be watching.
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>>83781862
>Avoidant, I suppose
Great guess!
https://youtu.be/DfuC6zYz1J4
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>>83782412
It was in response to a previous post too to be fair, should have swapped the order to make it more clear that only the first sentence was for u
>didn't read, btw
Understandable, have a Cure Arcana Shadow(yes that Shadow) for your trouble.
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>>83781862
>Ok but you've provided no adequate explanation how come my intuitive thinkoiding is magically excluded from the symbol evolution process which is from Jung's
Very simple, it collapses the tension of the symbol into one sidedness. You destroy the precondition which would give rise to the transcendent function through the process of structural analysis of the archetypal libido.
You have an open door through which libido flows. Your process specifically, not thinking in general, seeks to close this door and halt the flow of libido. Specifically because you seek to manipulate the [symbolic image] as if it were clay, or Lego blocks.
The entire process hinges on manipulation of the [symbolic image], and that is the issue.
Once manipulation replaces endurance of tension the [symbolic image] ceases to function symbolically and collapses into a sign or a concept instead.
>There's symbol X, I do my psyche thinkoiding, there's a symbol result Y
You've described collapsing the symbol X into a sign.
Specifically turning X into sign, which points to concept, not another symbol.
And symbols are not solved by ego processes. Or, if they are, it's a premature solution which dissolves the symbol into rational understanding and avoids the transformative process that would alter the egoic perspective.
And it's specifically solved by the ego to avoid that transformation.
If the ego solves a symbol, the ego doesn't have to change.
It can force the symbol to change.
But the symbol doesn't change into another symbol.
It changes into a sign or image that can be changed at will.
You're also self admittedly applying ego solutions to symbols through your self proclaimed dominant functions. I don't even have to assume you are.
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>>83782393
What, the character is Barusu? I intuited this possibility but the "I suppose" was completely unintentional...
>>83782165
>>If you can manipulate them without loss, they were already dead.
Ok but
>revivification of the vessel symbol (Jung)
>You think intellectualization is equal to symbolizing
In Jungian space, it is equal, but only when it matches Jung's criteria of symbolizing.
>What makes this perspective difficult to enter,
Entering is easy, agreeing isn't, because I don't see it as correct from like: intuitive, Jungian, holistic, logical, [REDACTED] considerations.
>and what tension is being avoided by remaining where you are?
The tension of FUCKING this discussion UP in any way that gets us nowhere.
>>83782588
>You've described collapsing the symbol X into a sign
>You destroy the precondition which would give rise to the transcendent function through the process of structural analysis of the archetypal libido.
What, it suddenly breaks Jung's symbolization rules just because of the flavor of logics?
Anyhow all of that is already addressed here >>83781992
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>>83782623
>Ok but
>>revivification of the vessel symbol (Jung)
Yeah, I've already been over that. Symbols aren't ever permanently dead. They can be revived. But again, it's not something that can be done by the ego. You can just "unkill" it by going backwards.
>In Jungian space, it is equal
I'm using the term intellectualization in a very specific sense, to mean "reduction to a known concept" and that is strictly not symbolizing.
Keep in mind, I never said THINKING in general cannot be used to symbolize. I drew a distinction between intellectualization and thinking. I've made this distinction multiple times too.
>Entering is easy
If it were easy you could meet me half way and at least acknowledge the validity of the points I'm making. You've not done that once. You've given nothing but pure resistance and refusal to move from your perspective.
>The tension of FUCKING this discussion UP in any way that gets us nowhere.
It's not the tension that fucks things up. It's your refusal to hold it as tension. You immediately collapse it into your perspective winning.
>Hold tension
>Transform
Jungian
>Refuse tension
>Stay the same
(you)
You refuse to give up even 1% of your ground. It's a complete and utter refusal to move from your hill, your safe castle and its moat of crocodiles.
Go to another castle?!
DANGEROUS!
It might collapse!
And my castle would NEVER collapse or change at all, it's nice and safe! FOREVER!
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>>83779957
>What's the worst anime you've seen
The one where the hero turns into a dog.
>What's the worst game you've played
Maybe goat simulator.
>What's your biggest pet peeve
I dislike people who are ironically dis-attached, just be sincere not sarcastic.
>What's the most disappointed you've been & why
A guy purposed marriage but just wanted a green card.
>What's the most embarrassing thing to happen to you
I tripped and fell into mud causing me to smash my chipotle in front of bunch of people.
>What's the worst you've been bullied
This girl used to really mess with me, so I messed with her
>What's the worst you've been scammed
An ex-stole $1000
>What's the gayest thing you've ever done
I considered going ftm.
>What's the closest to getting in a relationship you've had
I haven't been in steady relationship since 2020. I've become a femcel.
>What's the biggest opportunity you've blown
Japanese sword maker offered me a paid apprenticeship. Could have been in Japan making swords.
>Who's the most famous person you've know, met or are related too?
I met the president on guard duty he basically just walked by.
>What's the closest to death you've come?
Asshole threw a grenade at me while lowering a robot out the back of an mrap.
>What's you're biggest regrett
I don't regret a lot. Maybe traumatizing a moid. I thought he was a masochist he wasn't.
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>>83783016
Actually no idea so far what's your perspective really is, I'm working through with the ascertainable statements instead.
Presuming had lead us nowhere so far.
>But again, it's not something that can be done by the ego
Ego is psychological and works by managing some of the libido flows though? Why would it be suddenly excluded from Jung's rules?
>I'm using the term intellectualization in a very specific sense, to mean "reduction to a known concept" and that is strictly not symbolizing.
Ok but that's not ever possible to truly reduce to a known concept because anything always has implications and uncertainties both at face value and at original structure. Mathematics philosophers debate validity of math itself for a good reason.
>You've given nothing but pure resistance
PRECISE resistance to SPECIFIC views and angles, mind you. One can't consistently do this blindly. Get what I mean?
>It's not the tension that fucks things up. It's your refusal to hold it as tension. You immediately collapse it into your perspective winning
No, I would just set a structure that wouldn't allow room for interpretation, and would tell you to fuck off.
>You refuse to give up even 1% of your ground
Really? My viewpoint has been Instant Transmissioning around like it's DBZ.
Anyhow I don't see anything from >>83781992
addressed or progressed, so far.
>>83779957
>your type
INTJ IN(T) VLEF 583 5w6 sx/sp
>>What's the worst you've been scammed
Falling for the recs of reading: Hegel, Marx, Engels, Tillich, Hillman, Nietzsche's Zarathustra (Twilight of the Idols made up for it tho).
>>83782412
Too short, didn't read.
>>83782249
>That aside, the point of the pic was actually the insane subs timing.
I know and I've noticed. Average OP-to-episode shift moment
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Ever notice it's the sinners who deny God and then project their own desperate need for ego as opposed to what is Evident all around them by referring to the Highest as "Sky Daddy" and insinuating we are codependently enamored with some thoughtfiction?
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"INFJ-A" should go watch Gundam entries up to 2010s since half of them narratively conflate "understanding" with "agreement," too. Also Tomino's accidentally intuitively Jungbrained judging by the interviews.
>>83779957
>>what's the worst anime you've seen
Diebuster, but the opening is good...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvaIRapUC-U
Therefore Eureka 7, but the designs are good...
Therefore Konosuba. Completely wasted comedic potential.
>>83783588
Maybe a bit grim to say but I might've NOT kept the ability to even post here so far if it weren't for what I've gotten from the socio-psycho-logical puzzles in there.
>>83783641
>Hillman
Nah wait, Campbell is the one that's more trash. Hillman just needs lots of filters. With Campbell it's a golden needle in a rotten haystack. Even Moore pointed out Campbell lacked in Warrior and King archetype quadrants, and Moore shilled Campbell for some reason (I guess he took his students for complete dilettante normies).
>>83783711
Reword that for people not in the know (like me). Thanks.
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>>83783774
>Maybe a bit grim to say but I might've NOT kept the ability to even post here so far if it weren't for what I've gotten from the socio-psycho-logical puzzles in there.
I felt that. Though I was actually looking for some pictures posted before that and links to japanese sites.
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Anyone who tells you that "Intuition" as defined by the 16personality type test is rare is a fucking liar. Half of my god damn (Extended) family typed as ENFJs
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>>83783991
I don't think it's that rare but it is rarer. Sensers definitely make up the majority of normie society. I think intuitives are naturally more biased towards being introverted as well so you won't see them as much.
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https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/73689995/#73720210
>I was looking for stuff in other languages. Also found a decent Italian video that uses the 8 types and gives some funny descriptions, it also quotes both Jung and Von Franz, no stackbrained shit.
He says that and posts no link? Goddamn it.
Oh wait, I can't speak Italian.
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>>83784057
Maybe
>>83784117
Maybe intuition types seem rarer because finding something tangible in something as inherently not-concrete as intuition is just hard to do. Sensation types are pretty blatantly aesthetic-centric and physical present "realists, it is harder to point towards something's potential that doesn't seem like you yourself isn't just making shit up.
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>>83784235
>Sensation types are pretty blatantly aesthetic-centric
Hmm, but which sensoids gave aesthetics the attempted investigations it deserves? Kant, who tried, was an IT(N)/INTP, for example.
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>>83783991
What was Intuition in 16p again? Big5's Openness? Something mixed with MBTI? Certainly not "perception by the way of the unconscious".
Anyway sure, that shouldn't be rare at all.
>>83784057
A bit more simple than that: your family environment especially affects type development.
Though you also do have a natural disposition towards attitude and main function.
>>83784081
Aye
>>83784235
Here is a quick reminder that if you cannot spot a function, you can spot the inferiority of its opposite.
Intuition types will tend to be vague on physical/real facts, cause they pay little attention to it.
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Jung-anon, Jung-anon.
Introversion and extraversion.
We know that there's a habit to be conscious in one or the other, in regards of flows of libido related to the function compass.
BUUUUUT:
1. The compass is a circle slice of the spheroid that is psyche.
2. There are extraverts that are socially "introverted" (the term for what it's worth) and introverts that are socially "extraverted" - not necessarily from some psychopathology and inferior function effects.
So, the questions are:
1. Is there anything to say that the compass attitude is the same for the "sphere of the psyche"/any "slice of the psyche"?
2. Even if "social introversion/extraversion" have become misleading on surface of pop-psych, there's still certain salience behind them when we differentiate it from compass attitude, so - what the social attitude is about really, Jungianically?
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>>83784360
Abstract Sensation is a thing. To not be confused with introversion, concrete VS abstract is a differentiation thing.
Intuition can technically is also more concerned with aesthetics than any rational motivation, but I'm using the word very loosely here. There might not be much sensory aesthetic coming from them, most likely they will turn to various forms of creative writing instead.
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>>83758596
Hey, OP-dibber.
I suggest commenting/adding back this to OP link list.
Easy Rundown on C.G. Jung's Depth Psychology
https://pastebin.com/1PYUQTpP
>>83784398
Personally I try to sort the aesthetics out for myself in any medium, but maybe that's entelechy following Se-overcompensation, since from the initial intuition I didn't pay attention that much.
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>>83784382
>1. Is there anything to say that the compass attitude is the same for the "sphere of the psyche"/any "slice of the psyche"?
>2. Even if "social introversion/extraversion" have become misleading on surface of pop-psych, there's still certain salience behind them when we differentiate it from compass attitude, so - what the social attitude is about really, Jungianically?
The compass with the light side/dark side + 4 functions?
To be fair, that never explicitly included attitude-type even if it's easy to fill the blanks. Jung himself speaks of conscious/unconscious attitude in reference to extroverted and introverted types so.
As for the social behavior, I will obviously mention that the attitude-type affects it in the expected ways(extraverts more likely to be outgoing, introverts more likely to be withdrawn) but it's not the only thing. It has a lot more to do with personal experience in general, imo. Introverts are known to become social should they find themselves with good company that meets his(generally higher, due to the tendency to devaluate the external object) standards.
Junganically-speaking, fitting in with societal expectations has a lot to do with your Persona and partially the Ego. Individuation is a more inner thing in my view and people who fit in well don't necessarily have a particularly advanced stage of that.
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>>83783641
>Actually no idea so far what's your perspective really is
That your mode of operation, namely what you call "intuitive thinking" combined with a habitual attitude of interacting with things in a modular constructive/deconstructive manner where different things can be added to, removed from or combined with other parts of itself or other objects/concepts and nothing is lost within the parts themselves, is not applicable to symbols due to their state of being "alive". Although, is applicable to both concepts and objects.
Using a hammer to nail a board to a board is a perfectly acceptable thing to do a definitely creates a new thing. And removing the two boards from each other with the hammer's claw, does not destroy the nails, the hammer nor the boards. And typically they'd all remain perfectly usable and retain their identities as those items. A board that has been nailed to another board and removed from said board still functions as a board for the purposes of building. Same with a hammer and the nails (sometimes).
Using a hammer to nail a board to to a bunny rabbit is not only unacceptable, it does not create a new thing. And furthermore, nailing a bunny rabbit to another bunny rabbit does not create a new homunculus form of bunny rabbit. It just makes two dead bunny rabbits.
When you have only a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
The problem is not that you have a hammer, or even that you use a hammer. It's that you *refuse* to use another tool, (there's a point in here about ego identity with the hammer see: dominant function) even if a hammer has absolutely no reasonable place in the job. You wouldn't use a hammer to polish a car.
You also wouldn't use a hammer to resolve the tension of a symbol. It would be like taking a hammer to a vase to solve the tension holding the vase together. All you've done is destroy the vase.
The upside? You no longer have to deal with the psychological tension within the symbol any longer.
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>>83784630
Let's pretend like we have basic organizational structure, because some anon requested to allow the anon to bake.
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>>83784081
>>83784296
>A bit more simple than that: your family environment especially affects type development.
>Though you also do have a natural disposition towards attitude and main function
I don't think they're going to all be the same exact type but I think it will be similar types. Like most being introverted or most being extroverted. And I don't think similar family environment is enough to explain it because your cousins and parents wouldn't have the same upbringing as you.
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>>83784649
>interacting with things in a modular constructive/deconstructive manner where different things can be added to, removed from or combined with other parts of itself or other objects/concepts and nothing is lost within the parts themselves
I'd actually love to, that sounds fun as hell. That's doesn't work in most cases in reality and I reserve that for my active imagination magus retreat stuffs instead. Not bad for accidentally figuring out my cybernetic interests.
I differentiate the practice well enough to say I'm not using it more than needed to progress this discourse.
>is not applicable to symbols due to their state of being "alive"
Debunked by Jung's rule of revivification and rules of symbolization.
And I'm not even moduling them out much. ...modular symbols... Holy hell don't give me ideas to obsess over. Wheeew. WHEEEW
Anyhow.
1. Whatever my method has been so far, the payoff is the discourse progressing this far.
2. Whether Jung's rules are the final word in the say depends on whether you'll address them.
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>>83784795
I had officially fired him though.
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>>83784853
Those late nights we shared will always be remembered fondly.
https://youtu.be/QLHMhVonF-s
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>>83783641
>Ego is psychological
Because the ego is not the center of the psyche. When I can "it's not something the ego can do" I don't mean that it's physically (or psychologically) incapable. But, I don't have better words for it currently. Simply put, the ego has a role and that job does not fit the ego's role.
>not ever possible to truly reduce to a known concept
Debatable, but that's more epistemology than anything else. So it can be saved for another time, unless you want to go down that rabbit-nailed-to-a-board hole.
>Get what I mean?
I do get what you mean, probably more than you might know. But, consider this: You have to do it blind. That's part of the point I'm making.
>Really?
No, I was being hard headed. I take it back. You've given up a small amount of ground.
>>83784749
>I'd actually love to, that sounds fun as hell.
The way you described it make it seem like this was your habitual pattern of engagement withe concepts/ideas/abstraction/images in general.
>Debunked by Jung's rule of revivification and rules of symbolization.
But do you understand what that means?
In order for a symbol to be revived, the ego's identity fractures and its dominant attitude breaks down. Killing a symbol turns it into concrete that can be stood upon. When it is revived it refuses to be a floor the ego can stand upon.
You can't just "think" a symbol back to life. It requires a sacrifice.
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>>83784853
You don't get how business works. If the thread lasts long enough and people see it, we will eventually get NEW name fags and anons. You see, in business terms we are in a mild recession. It's not the first according to TE, all you gotta do to reverse the trend is increase engagement to keep the thread floating at the top. The issue is no here has the motivation.
>>83784866
Good pick for that song
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>>83784952
We're not in a mild recession. That already happened, it was the deadzone where threads weren't being posted and when they were posted, they 404'd before 500 posts.
Then[someone]poured a little gas in the tank and gave 'er a solid crank.
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>>83784971
>Someone
Who is someone? Patchy? TE? (You)?
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>>83784895
My bad I forgot about replying to that.
Oh well imagine, if you will, your typical Fe-groid who generally is almost always good at dealing with people, or at least making himself likeable. Give it intuitive perception, and that typically turn into trying to feel his way into people in a much more subtle way than the sensation counterpart. I think with EF(S) it's generally more obvious because they go by what can be seen with your senses... the real question there is more about what do they *actually* want, because with EFs it could be literally fucking nothing other than positive vibes. Such a foid-coded type.
Now make this guy evil and give him particularly twisted ways to use his typical attitude. Very easily it goes into "cult of personality" kind of villains, known for being simultaneously charming but also absolutely fucking batshit(inferior thinking helps with the especially deranged ideas, directly connected with the unconscious AND subjective fsctor after all). That's your dark EF(N), thankfully I don't know any IRL lol.
INFJ-A is still more likely an actual introvert imo, I just cannot imagine somebody consistently fucking up their attitude-type, but I can't exclude the possibility of lol weird neurotic EF(S)
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>>83785070
>Give it intuitive perception, and that typically turn into trying to feel his way into people in a much more subtle way than the sensation counterpart.
How exactly does that change things? Does it just make them seem sneakier than an Efs or harder to read?
>Now make this guy evil and give him particularly twisted ways to use his typical attitude. Very easily it goes into "cult of personality" kind of villains, known for being simultaneously charming but also absolutely fucking batshit
That sounds kind of fun but also very exhausting. I get the feeling running a cult would take a lot of effort.
>batshit(inferior thinking helps with the especially deranged ideas, directly connected with the unconscious AND subjective fsctor after all)
What's this mean? What if the deranged ideas aren't actually deranged but just ahead of their time or something that needs to be done but no one else has noticed or have the will to do what needs to be done? Like Thanos or Kira? They knew what needed to be done but no one believed in their vision for a better future.
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What causes all these phony claims from fat activists to think that they are somehow not eating as much as they are Jungcels
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>>83785041
Who knows! Maybe it was even (you)!
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>>83785049
So (You) wanna date with Queen Mela? Let me ask you anon:
>How good are you with money? Explain what you believe that means
>What do you consider a fun date?
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>>83784876
>the ego has a role and that job does not fit the ego's role.
Technically only Ego's participation makes for a holistic symbolization. See: enantiodromia, Warrior archetype, alchemical vessel, et cetera.
>In order for a symbol to be revived, the ego's identity fractures and its dominant attitude breaks down.
Ok but that's normal part of Ego's "proper" participation.
>You can't just "think" a symbol back to life. It requires a sacrifice.
Yes, it's called "invested effort that is applied properly to give results", e.g. making airtight logics, among other possible alternative things as the main, but not the only, approach.
>>83785270
Sounds like it's at least unconsciously intentional by you.
>>83784952
>The issue is no here has the motivation.
That anon who called dibs on the thread creation must be seething from mass ignoring by now. lol.
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>>83785282
>So (You) wanna date with Queen Mela? Let me ask you anon
I like answering questions so this is only for fun.
>How good are you with money? Explain what you believe that means
I'm terribly with money usually. Whenever I have excess money I like to buy things on a whim and go to places. However I often see opportunities to make money but they usually require pretty good sums of money to be viable.
I think being good with money means being able to manage and grow it. More so manage it well and not waste it on junk. In your case I believe you mean more so in growing it into generational wealth or something.
>What do you consider a fun date?
I'd say one where both parties enjoy themselves but probably something where you can talk and do something exciting like an amusement park would be pretty ideal since you have lots of time to talk and lots of opportunities to do exciting things together. But that seems like it would take a lot of time and money to do. Something lower risk and easy would be something like minigolf or something or maybe rafting. But honestly I've never been on a date like that before.
>>83785287
>Sounds like it's at least unconsciously intentional by you
Hmm, are you really good at typing people?
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>>83785287
Yes, participation. That's the key phrase. The ego isn't the conductor or the orchestrator of the change. But, the ego does have the ability to apply the breaks and prevent the change.
>Yes, it's called "invested effort that is applied properly to give results"
Not quite. Could be directionally correct, depending on what you mean.
But it's more like releasing control, rather than applied effort.
The thing that kills a symbol (in the negative sense) is when the ego refuses to change and let go and this manifests as control or applied effort to attain specific results. In order to revive the symbol, the first step is for the ego to cede control and sacrifice its own identity as the author of the psyche.
When the ego is willing to receive from a symbol, the symbol will revive itself. The symbol is not a product of the ego. The ego is the receiver.
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>>83785365
Make your money hard to access and you'll save even if you're not good at a saving.
>I'd say one where both parties enjoy themselves but probably something where you can talk and do something exciting like an amusement park would be pretty ideal since you have lots of time to talk and lots of opportunities to do exciting things together. But that seems like it would take a lot of time and money to do. Something lower risk and easy would be something like minigolf or something or maybe rafting. But honestly I've never been on a date like that before.
You got the right idea. Also you don't have to spend a lot of money on a date. Some guys think they do. But you don't. I have more to say but I have to get back to work.