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>>84732768
I generally hold disdain for personality tests, and I dont believe any of it hold any value whatsoever since humans are dynamic creatures.
>Your mbti
It said intp-t
>What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?
Probably unlearning my highly restrictive culture. Then again I dont think patriarchy is necessarily evil, nor matriarchy is necessarily evil.
>Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?
Women are real humans, maybe even more human actually. But women and men function differently. Femeninity, I believe, is the baseline condition of nature, it is nurturing and unpredictable. Hence, women are closer to the raw nature of mankind, i believe womens intuition comes from this., women can just "tell" sometimes. Masculinity rings more of a bell in the structure of religion and ideologies. Masculinity isnt the natural state of mankind, its more systematic and selfish, but its also what makes humans so distinctive from all other animals.
Masculinity is what makes us great.
Femeninity is what keeps us human.
The greatest bridge of both worlds i believe is men who are in tune with femeninity, and women who are in tune with Masculinity.

Am I a retard? Give your critique if you want.

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>>84732954
>Am I a retard?
If you consider Anima projection retarded, sure. That certainly was a lot of it.

>Masculinity is what makes us great.
>Femeninity is what keeps us human.
>The greatest bridge of both worlds i believe is men who are in tune with femeninity, and women who are in tune with Masculinity.
In a way, you have also identified the problem of consciousness/the unconscious or the superior function and the inferior functions, and as well as what's proposed solution through the Transcendent Function.
Only problem with all of that would be assuming that the woman is unconscious then, while this is a characteristic of male's psychology specifically(the Anima, aka their feminine archetype, is indeed unconscious - but for women there a masculine Animus instead and the situation is reversed).

>>84732768
What's with the randomly inserted letters?

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>>84732992
Yooo give me litterature on this. I saw a video essay of the book sexual Personae and wow it was very interesting. I dont want to say it's true necessarily, but i want to explore the topic.

Wtf is anima projection?
>Only problem with all of that would be assuming that the woman is unconscious then, while this is a characteristic of male's psychology specifically(the Anima, aka their feminine archetype, is indeed unconscious - but for women there a masculine Animus instead and the situation is reversed).
Hmmmm I dont necessarily believe women are unconscious, more so that she is lesser rigid. More irrational.
In a way, she goes where the wind takes her, from am emotional and spiritual level. I know this must sound so degrading, but I dont believe it's bad. I think femeninity is more necessary than masculinity really. Femeninity is life through nurture, whereas masculinity is life through protection/safeguarding.
But what life is there to protect without nurture? None.

And on men who act on their desires with no hesitation, I believe it's a effimate trait, that becomes dangerous due to mans heightened capability and tendency of aggression and selfishness and rationalisation of their actions.
Being reserved and restrictive i believe is a masculine trait.
Being free and frivolous is more femenine.

Is that retarded? This is all speculative I know little to nothing on the matter.

>In a way, you have also identified the problem of consciousness/the unconscious or the superior function and the inferior functions, and as well as what's proposed solution through the Transcendent Function.
I dont understand any of this lmao.

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>>84733058
>Yooo give me litterature on this.
Basically just Jung. The concepts you have expressed are roughly the same as his, just worded in a fancier and more abstract ways.

>Wtf is anima projection?
tl;dr the projection of men's unconscious feminine aspects into something else, very often a real woman(or women in general), but it could be anything else including a fictional character or even a tulpa.
What I wanted to point out is that you are seeing it from your own perspective, tied to being a man, and also tied to being a type.

The aspects you claim as tied inherently to the feminine and nature are synonymous with the unconscious(such as being emotional and spontaneous, in touch with the earth, and all of that), which in itself contains the Anima in question.
In Jung's typology, we must also include the opposite attitude(e.g. if you are introverted, then the unconscious and feminine opposite is extraversion) and the inferior functions(e.g. if you are a Thinking type, then the unconscious feminine opposite is visualized through partially the auxiliary functions of Sensation/Intuition, and more importantly inferior Feeling).

Consciousness is indeed what we call "being great", it stands above nature and the common man(or woman).
And "what keeps us human" is the link to the unconscious, which keeps us with our feet on the common ground and the rest of humanity, you could say.

I don't know if the fact that you identify "intuition" as a feminine function here might match Jung's idea of Intuition for sure, but if that were the case, then it would be an argument against being an intuition type here btw

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>>84732768
>Your mbti
INFJ or INFP, the tests can't really decide what.
>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?
No.
>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?
A world where the most powerful leader of the biggest empire was a woman is certainly not a patriarchy.
>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?
I don't have a very high opinion about humans. I don't see myself as one, I'm more the "alien" type of being.

>>84732954
You're not retarded you're a gay

>>84733186
This is an inferior feeler bully them to feel good about yourself and eventually they will become Hitler

>Your mbti
ENTP

>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?
If feminism is meant for everybody, why call it feminism? Why not stick to egalitarian or any other words synonymous with it? You're not going to fool me you stupid nigger

>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?
I didn't kill any trannies or feminazi yet, that's one thing I didn't help the patriarchy for (yet)

>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?
Women are real human beans, the problem is that your marxist mind can't seem to understand that they don't have to become men or act like men to be human, they have a different role and they're meant to fulfill a different purpose than men did, it's just how it is, and it doesn't take much to achieve that, we had it figured out for most of (western) society nearly from the get go, but someway somehow we decided to forget about it

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>>84733184
I had to read through your reply multiple times Holy shit.
>Basically just Jung.
Got it. Though I do believe the author of Sexual Personae also have some cool points.
>(e.g. if you are introverted, then the unconscious and feminine opposite is extraversion) [...] (e.g. if you are a Thinking type, then the unconscious feminine opposite is visualized through partially the auxiliary functions of Sensation/Intuition, and more importantly inferior Feeling).
Wow I didn't understand this at all.
So if you're introverted, your unconscious is extraverted?
And if you're a thinking type, your unconscious is feeling?
Is this affected by the person's gender in any way?
>Consciousness is indeed what we call "being great", it stands above nature and the common man(or woman).
And "what keeps us human" is the link to the unconscious, which keeps us with our feet on the common ground and the rest of humanity, you could say.
Mmmm okey. Like i was thinking.

>I don't know if the fact that you identify "intuition" as a feminine function here might match Jung's idea of Intuition for sure, but if that were the case, then it would be an argument against being an intuition type here btw.
Huh? Atgument against being an intuition type?

The reason is simply that I know many women who have incredibly strong intuition. Whereas men seem to be blind alot of the times. My sister is such a person, by the first conversation she can tell wether a person is sincere, thus she is a person that isolates herself alot since she has gone through alot off bullshit as a wee kid. For example, she made a friend in uni. By the first conversation she knew she was off, but she secluded herself so much that she decided to give the friend a chance. She was right.
When she was sitting on the buss a man stood up whenever she stood up. She could tell he was going to follow her, and she was right.
She is always right, just from gut feeling.
>>84733308
Why?

>>84733317
Women need the egalitarianism more than men do, so the term feminism is used so they don't get lost in all of the noise of men advocating for themselves.

>>84733366
>they need it more
I don't care, your mindset is backwards and retarded, don't even bother responding you retarded marxist

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People complain about door dash millenials and zoomies being lazy and socially anxious. But sometimes on a day like this where I don't feel so good, haven't been eating well and could do with a hot meal I wish I had either the wherewithall or confidence to order takeout myself. I always found sneaking to the supermarket in the dead of night and buying things off the machines directly to be much easier than directly asking some brown people to make me a full meal. Is it just racism that makes it easy for the normies? Like I suppose it's easy to ask someone to make you dinner if you don't see them as human.

>>84732768
>Your mbti
Still don't know
>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?
Yes, I do.
>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?
Nothing at all unfortunately, I think I'm backsliding on the whole praxis thing. I don't know what to do.
>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?
I think they're already human. Or at least a lot of them are. Although them being obviously divine precious beautiful super amazing beings can make that difficult to see sometimes. They also seem to leak on the periphery, I still remember clearly that when I went as far as Prague they started to uncomfortably resemble cattle. But that might have just been me noticing things differently in the most foreign place I've been.

>>84733401
https://voca.ro/1lK0tS1Q9V00
Rantble and top o' the mourning to ya

And by not as much I mean anyone that's not present-day aboriginal is at least a little bit racist but that factors in about as much as gravity, the one and one into the 2 into Three, space jelly migration Disco Elysium Christmas light rituals that could turn gravity off for interdimensional human traffickers, et cetera

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>>84733342
>I had to read through your reply multiple times Holy shit.
I'm trying. That is a massive fucking summary that would make a LLM blush.

>So if you're introverted, your unconscious is extraverted?
>And if you're a thinking type, your unconscious is feeling?
Indeed

>Is this affected by the person's gender in any way?
In the sense of the rules changing for women? Nah.
Which functions tend to be more likely to be pronounced in men or women? The biggest divide is apparently Thinking(more likely in men) and Feeling(more likely in women), but I always wondered if that was Jung's own projection('cause he's a thinking type). There is also a minor divide between Sensation(slightly more in men) and Intuition(slightly more in women).
How the functions show up? Women still generally operate more in certain spheres, such as the social one, that is regardless of their type. So let's say that stereotypically, an intuitive men will be focused more on the future possibility, invention and discovery - while the woman will more likely reveal that as "social intuition".

>The reason is simply that I know many women who have incredibly strong intuition.
That being said, the fact that intuition is the trait of women that makes a certain impression on you might be a trait of your psychology.
Going to deduce here that it implies intuition is an inferior or less differentiated function yourself, and thus associated with the Anima. It's not enough to claim Sensation is your superior function for sure though, could still be Thinking first.

I would be an example of the opposite: I never associated intuition with the feminine, that is often their aesthetic sense instead. I borrow a lot of that from my own mother, and even the magical girl thing comes from my sister watching them(and forcing me into also watching it along lol).
Turns out intuition is my own primary function, I also had an aversion to consider it "mystical", because again that is associated with the "unconscious".

>>84733317
>Women are real human beans, the problem is that your marxist mind can't seem to understand that they don't have to become men or act like men to be human, they have a different role and they're meant to fulfill a different purpose than men did, it's just how it is, and it doesn't take much to achieve that, we had it figured out for most of (western) society nearly from the get go, but someway somehow we decided to forget about it
Extremely based take btw. In true Jungian spirit, I can pull a "an anti-feminist thinks about what it means to be female more, he's a better woman enjoyer than the feminist".

>>84732768
>my head hurts
It says "my head hurts"! "My head hurts!" \(^o^)/ *bounces excitedly up and down* :3

>>84733317
>If feminism is meant for everybody, why call it feminism?
You misunderstand: 'Tis not a statement, but a command.

In this society you either take medication or you end up being the one handing it out to other people. It's a pill or be pilled world out there.

But yeah good on you. Drink lots of liquids! Ideally hot ones where you can. Top't'mornin'tyuh too

>>84733480
I meant more the base line social interaction than inconveniencing them. Your world overlapping with another's. I find someone cooking or delivering you food to be very intimate. Them not minding it or even enjoying the process just makes it gay. In many ways and I'm sure I speak for a lot of people here, it would be better if they hated the process. Sometimes I'd prefer to find spit in my soup to ease the discomfort. I'd feel a closer connection to humanity then.
___

They're aware they're handing you something you'll be p**ping out in 1-2 days for a start.

The only time I feel good about buying food is if it's going to, or from work so I can feel like a good comrade, wagies together sort of thing. Or if it's like a social thing where there's safety in numbers. It reminds me of that saying that the food you eat is with you when you're using the calories. In the same way mother pig is on my shoulder, the people who prepared and delivered the food are on my shoulders too, watching what I'm doing with their energy. So I'd have to do something they'd approve of. And that's a lot of pressure.

>>84733771
Yippiee! *serves turbie a delightful treat*

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>>84733771
Originally well done

>>84733823
>Ideally hot ones where you can
Fuck no there's a heat wave outside.

>>84733838
Hot drinks are better on a hot day. They help you regulate your temperature better. I always saw it as if your body doesn't have to worry about keeping itself warm it can focus on staying cool. A division of labour of sorts. Apparently this works even better at lower humidities. You just need to stay hydrated enough that you can continue to sweat it out.

I like that sleepy voice sound. i could listen to that every morning.

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>>84733590
>I'm trying. That is a massive fucking summary that would make a LLM blush.
I mean it well! I just am an esl with mid tier reading comprehension. I indeed am a retard.
What does it mean that a trait is unconscious or conscious?
>So let's say that stereotypically, an intuitive men will be focused more on the future possibility, invention and discovery - while the woman will more likely reveal that as "social intuition".
Ahhh..
I see.
>Going to deduce here that it implies intuition is an inferior or less differentiated function yourself, and thus associated with the Anima. It's not enough to claim Sensation is your superior function for sure though, could still be Thinking first.
>Turns out intuition is my own primary function, I also had an aversion to consider it "mystical", because again that is associated with the "unconscious".
Yes very much so my intuition is in the gutter. Especially compared to my sisters. It felt as though all women in my life had greater knowledge of social cues and social intuition, so i had to overcompensate with other traits. Generally all masculine figures i associated with heedlessness too.
I am still not completely sold on the idea that people can be classed. I generally dont believe in it. I do think jungs theories seem super interesting, but from a gender analysis standpoint. I do think certain traits are more prevalent in certan people, but I'm just very antagonistic to it all. I have done the test before some years ago, and I came out as Entp. But it might have been because of my surroundings, as I was very socially active but it was draining the life out of me.
But the test is somewhat true from what I read about my type, as i am incredibly aloof and have a very unstructured ruitine. And once I gain interest for anything, it is as though it has consumed me. I do think the test underscores how turbulent i can be, i experience positive emotions and oddly enough anxiety incredibly strong.
Maybe I'll give this stuff a shot

[29] The sacrifice that Tertullian and Origen carried out
was drastic-too drastic for our taste-but it was in keeping
with the spirit of the age, which was thoroughly concretistic.
Because of this spirit the Gnostics took their visions as
absolutely real, or at least as relating directly to reality, and
for Tertullian the reality of his feeling was objectively valid.
The Gnostics projected their subjective inner perception of
the change of attitude into a cosmogonic system and believed
in the reality of its psychological figures.

I see. People took things more literally then, and now, (in the late 1910s early 1920s) people live in a sort of abstract symbolic haze where nothing really means what it says it does? Everything you felt back then was real, even the things that weren't real. Like the world of a small child except civilizationally. I wonder what exact series of events caused the spirit of the age to change into the medieval, more metaphysical one, I guess Jung's already describing what happened.

>>84733793
And that's exactly where my point on purpose comes in; why the fuck do you expect me to listen to a woman's command, except if it was my mom and I was 8 or something?
(Which, by the way, was already too late for me and I was already on my own then, but let's not go into that)

A woman cannot command, shouldn't command, shouldn't want to command, and there's nothing for a woman to gain from commanding anyone or anything, because that is not her role, that will not make her happy, it will not bring her joy, nor fulfillment, nor anything.
Women are somehow taught by americanized retarded modern culture that they must act like men and do what men do if they want respect, and now you got a whole country full of trannies, with no father figures in sight, with a bunch of young men that feel completely lost and with no way out, and that constantly show suicidal levels of empathy just in the hope that they can one day maybe get laid, the modern 'feminist' idea failed in any and all points.

>>84733709
I'm misogynistic not because I hate women, but because I love them and want them to be better, that is all

>>84733945
>What does it mean that a trait is unconscious or conscious?
Asking the big questions but,
Conscious stands for both "aware", and also "directed by conscious intention" or individual will.
Something is "conscious" when you are initiating it and concluding it.

Unconscious stands for both "largely unaware" and spontaenous, natural, not directed, happens by chance. You don't *immediately* know how it got there and if has anything to do with the subject, but you might be able to establish that at a later time. Unconscious contents can be projected into other people, or even inanimate things.

>I am still not completely sold on the idea that people can be classed.
To be fair, Jung wasn't either.
He's a lot less strict than how we do it nowadays, for instance there's a concept of an "innate" or "original type", but he will also tell you that type can change over the course of your life. (not getting into all the details of difference between "differentiation in consciousness" and behavior, or the cases of neurotic types here, but the important part is that he didn't conceive types as static unlike modern MBTI).

>>84734051
Excellent. Exactly like atheists and God, apparently.

>>84734024
Human consciousness tends to abstraction as time advances, it seems.
And the opposite trend is true, the primitive man is fully concrete.

>>84732193
>Same here. Especially when she mentions things that I appreciate; like Ratchet & Clank and Planet Claire
Great tastes but if you said Spyro I would have had to join your fanclub.

>>84733401
On such days, a man needs a maid.
>I suppose it's easy to ask someone to make you dinner if you don't see them as human.
I'd say it depends. I think it's easy to ask someone close to you to make you dinner, but asking a stranger is awkward, in so small part because it makes it implies a familiarity that isn't there. The restaurant setting resolves this by providing a clear new context, but that context is stretched too far when you order delivery from bed. At that point you're faced with the choice of either manning up and getting your own food, or bitching out and doing your best to forget the means by which the food has appeared on your doorstep.
So, it isn't that it's easy for people to use food delivery apps because they're racist, but using food delivery apps may cause them to develop racist tendencies. What really makes it easy for them is a repressed lack of self respect. That's what i think, anyway.
>>84733823
>it would be better if they hated the process. Sometimes I'd prefer to find spit in my soup to ease the discomfort.
See, that would be assurance that the implied bond is not there, while simultaneously providing to you a new context with which to view yourself. It's worth considering what exactly that context is, and why you might find it appealing.

>>84734046
It's not a woman commanding you. It's your overlord and he wants more wealth. "Women's work" is considered low value. Especially now that we have machines that do the hard parts. Thanks to the machines, a lot of traditionally male roles can be done by women now. The idea is mobilising women into productive roles. Even if they're bad at them it's still probably going to be more productive than sitting around all day waiting for the washing machine to be done. Of course the equation is how many bribes they need to agree to this which is why it's usually accompanied by the glazing.

Personally, I'm of course pro-all of this, except the overlord should be the people doing the work. And ideally I'd have specialised washing machine wait arounder's rather than expecting the workers who are busy with their other roles to take time out of their days to do their washing. Maybe have it be collected weekly like the recycling.

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>>84734138
>It's not a woman commanding you
Very good, however watch this

>man has an "Anima" in his unconscious, that is either projected into a real woman, or something else that resembles a woman in his mind
>inferior functions and opposite attitude are directly associated with the Anima
>"the superior function is in your hands and is your tool, but the inferior function is your master"
What would the conclusion of that be?

>>84732768
>be a foid
>be only sexually attracted to dominant men
>still bitch about muh patriarchy
female sexuality is the reason why the patriarchy exists

that one adhd character from borderlands 2?

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>>84733823
Based and Circe-pvlled

https://voca.ro/1mJqBAdAIXPu

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>>84732768
>Your mbti
Yes.
>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?
No, I can't say that I support the the psyop from the American government to dilute the work force in order to pay workers less, and take advantage of women and rob them of their early years by tricking them and telling them that having a dead end job is somehow better than being a stay at home mom.
>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?
I woke up past noon to really stick it to the man.
>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?
nigga what?
>>84734255
Oh shit it's Tiny TINA! BADASS.

>>84734168
>What would the conclusion of that be?
That you should be using Socionics not MBTI. Duality and all that.

>>84734115
It means imma *slave to the system*.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZByL72cnC8k

Embodied by whatever my inferior is supposed to be.

>>84734392
Jung's entire thing is duality you knob.

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>>84734392
It's ok I only use Jvng now. Socionics probably tried to integrate that but idk how literally you can take it as relationship dynamics.

>>84734401
It's dualism with many extra steps but yea

>>84734401
Google "socionics duality" instead of being rude.

>>84734401
Actually it's not. That's a common misconception. Jung's whole thing was a unification of the totality into a coherent whole, Self.

>>84734130
> It's worth considering what exactly that context is, and why you might find it appealing
Well the obvious answer is just the sadomasochistic thrill of getting someone to do something for you that they don't want to do. It you're not making me food because we're comrades, then it could at least be as an act of being dominated like I'm some kind of Pharaoh or something. The spit proves to me that you fetched that burger against your own will. It would be nice if I didn't have to share the thrill of domination with the entire capitalist system, but it's better than nothing, and justifies being even more cruel to make up for the added insecurity.

>>84734392
>>84734401
which types pair well together in socionomics

>>84734447
https://wikisocion.github.io/content/intertype.html

>>84734434
I would call it mediation and generation rather than unification.
The idea is that you start as an undifferentiated whole, like some sort of primordial soup in your mind. Then you differentiate something for the sake of acquiring consciousness(and that matches his typology, since it includes extraversion/introverison and at least one of the functions), and then from the tension of the two opposites, you get closer and closer to the wholeness of your Self through "symbols".

>>84734474
The idea of integration is not merely mediation, it's a blending, a unification. Differentiation is not the end goal, integration is.

>>84734468
Which types do you think would prefer reading from a link?

>>84734535
Neither are the end goal, an endlessly generative T.F. would be the closest to "end goal".

>>84734024
[30] In my book Wandlungen und Symbole der Libido
I left the whole question open as to the origin of the peculiar
course the libido took in the Christian process of
development. I spoke of a splitting of libido into two halves,
each directed against the other. The explanation of this is to
be found in a one-sided psychological attitude so extreme that
compensations from the unconscious became an urgent
necessity. It is precisely the Gnostic movement in the early
centuries of our era that most clearly demonstrates the
breakthrough of unconscious contents at the moment of
compensation. Christianity itself signified the collapse and
sacrifice of the cultural values of antiquity, that is, of the
classical attitude. At the present time it is hardly necessary to
remark that it is a matter of indifference whether we speak of
today or of that age two thousand years ago.

Ah, so it was Christianity that broke the spirit of the age. And spawned the current age. Because it caused people to sacrifice their most beloved possessions, and that facilitated the ol' inheritance of the meek brain functions. Gnostic autism being an example of that? I'm not sure I really get that bit.

Woo! and that's the end of i1. Coming up next i2. THE THEOLOGICAL DISPUTES OF THE ANCIENT CHURCH. How exciting!

>>84734468
>>84734550
Which interestingly enough, fits what Socionics describes as "Duality".
Guess they got down the concept in theory, even if their system is a huge meme.

>>84734569
Dualization is not the same as the duality intertype relation.

>>84734573
I meant that what's written under Duality is an easy way to explain the Transcedent Function.

What the fuck was that man

>>84734605
Ghosted greasy lady dot exe
https://youtu.be/fq3abPnEEGE

Horny goat weed for my real friends, sliving expeditiously for my frens that keep it Treeal

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>>84734568
>it was Christianity that broke the spirit of the age. And spawned the current age.
Truly the worst thing that has ever happened in history.
All those commends become more funny when you remember Jung calls himself Christian.

>Gnostic autism being an example of that?
Basically. The "Christian process of development" creates the problem, and Gnosticism appears as necessary compensation of the unconscious that will not just disappear.

>>84734550
The transcendent function is not a goal. Is it the means by which integration happens. The transcendent function is a tool

>>84734650
I'd say T.F. itself is the goal because you cannot possibly integrate the entire unconscious, it's endless.
However, you can keep a way to mediate between consciousness and unconscious up and running.

>>84734644
I wonder if Jung thinks he happens to live in the transition to a new age, or if it's still too early to tell. Are we in a Hitlarian age, or was he just another Napoleon? Are we in the new age of the individual who is both metaphysical and biological already, or are we still the Turtillian's and Origens. Creatures of an old age bashing our early adopter heads into a new one? I suppose the only thing to do is to plow on.

France would be in an golden age if they didn't wipe out napoleon and his bloodline.

>>84734665
The unconscious is not endless. It's living, moving, transforming.

If you want to reimagine Jung and have your own belief system around the aversion of integration because "you can't integrate everything", have it it. But don't pretend like that's what Jung was teaching.

>>84734708
>Are we in the new age of the individual who is both metaphysical and biological already, or are we still the Turtillian's and Origens.
Probably a mix of both, because according to him nothing gets simply left behind, it's still there in the collective unconscious. And that also applies in the opposite way around apparently, I read yesterday that he thinks the Christian attitude was simply always lying dormant in the unconscious before actual Christianity happened , and eventually had to come out in some form.

>>84734751
The unconscious might as well be the subjective universe. Which can be thought both as currently finite but endlessly expanding beyond what you can grasp, or already endless.

>>84729328
I remember you saying you wanted to try something new and give gen 3 a singles a try is all. I suppose the novelty factor is less important over 2 years later lol. Might as well give it a try for our first battle at least since I already made a team, but yeah like I said it doesn't look very exciting and there's a lot less options.

The switch sounds cool since we can pretend that we learned double battles in the game. I guess the only question again is which gen to use.

>>84734789
No, the psyche is the subjective universe. The ego is the light, the unconscious is the dark.
Come on... Try harder.

>>84735060
That's a way to see it, though I'm not sure if I get what you are driving at here.
You think there is a point where it will be all light?

Everyone else gets to make friends and play switch games. I want to have friends and play with someone too but no one ever remembers me.

>>84735323
Are you an infp?

tfw no more blackmagic cameos because he just post anon now

>>84735235
I'm just pointing out how you're misrepresenting and misunderstanding the basic ideas of Jungian psychology is all.

tfw when no Blackmagic woman to cast her spells on me

Is that what this is?

Get Patchy to cast Dickus Removus on you.

>>84735598
You keep saying that, but have you asked yourself if you understood them in the first place? And if yes, what makes you so sure you did?

>tfw don't know my mbti type because my personality is a learned and inauthentic manifestation that is a response to childhood trauma

>>84735688
tfw i dont even know who that is lol

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Only wan for me 'ecate
Simple as

>>84735696
Well, yes. Of course I've asked myself that. And the reason I know I understand it, albeit not in its totality, is because it's plainly stated.

For example, differentiation is not the express goal of analytical psychology. Differentiation is a path towards integration. Differentiation simply for the purpose of differentiation is nothing more than mental masturbation.
Analytical psychology, and thus the Psychological types, revolve around individuation. Individuation cannot happen simply with differentiation alone.
Likewise, mediation is not the goal. Obviously, without mediation one cannot get to a place where the transcendent function can occur due to the psychological tension between opposites collapsing, which inhibits the process of integration.

It's not even like we're talking about super complex abstract ideas. It's the basic principles of Analytical Psychology.
The unconscious isn't infinite, it's just alive. It moves, it changes, it transforms. You make a part of it conscious, give it some time, it'll morph. And what you made conscious no longer exists in the same state anymore.

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In Your Dreams All The Way Up

>>84735790
No one had claimed differentiation is a goal here.
As for T.F. and integration, they are practically process and result, I was only contesting that a total consciousness isn't possible

And as usual, there's hardly anything worth discussing about whether it's a better analogy to claim that the unconscious is endlessly expanding, or always changing.
Still, I find it interesting how your own metaphor for differentiation there describes exactly what your posts could be viewed as.

An interesting psyop

>>84735975
Glad you think so, it's all for you, after all. True Aryan.

THE CONVEYOR OF DEATH HAS COME INTO VIEW AND QUICKLY MY ETIQUETTE IS SLIPPING.. GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY.. GET THE FUCK OUT THE WAY,, I AIN'T GETTING SHREDDED.. GET OUT THE WAY! MOOOVE!!! AAAAAAAA

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>>84735965
I'm very well aware of the fact that no one claimed that differentiation was the goal, nor did I claim anyone had.

The transcendent function is the process. Integration is the goal, it happens to be a perpetual goal that cannot be achieved in totality. But, the goal nonetheless.
I also never said total consciousness was possible, nor did I claim that it was something which should be sought after.
>whether it's a better analogy to claim that the unconscious is endlessly expanding, or always changing.
It matters a lot within the context. The psyche is limited and the unconscious is contained within the psyche.
This would be akin to calling the ocean limitless, simply because an X Y coordinate might look different today than tomorrow. Much like the unconscious, the ocean is dynamic, not boundless.
>Still, I find it interesting how your own metaphor for differentiation there describes exactly what your posts could be viewed as.
What are you talking about.....
I didn't give a metaphor for differentiation...?

>>84736097
>I''m very well aware of the fact that no one claimed that differentiation was the goal, nor did I claim anyone had.
Then why bringing it up at all.

>The psyche is limited and the unconscious is contained within the psyche.
Is it? How do we know since we cannot see the limit?
>This would be akin to calling the ocean limitless, simply because an X Y coordinate might look different today than tomorrow.
Good thing the psyche is relative in time/space then.
Your analogy here only works assuming there's an absolute space as a point of comparison.

>I didn't give a metaphor for differentiation...?
You compared "differentiation for its own sake" to mental masturbation. I'd say it represents your posts very well here, except replace "differentiation" with hair-splitting, which is a similar concept. And I sure hope I won't need to explain how.
Your point here better not be "actshually that doesn't count as metaphor".

It's always the usual pointless pedantry with you, I don't even know why you keep doing it once you've been called out.
At this point I can only reason it out as trying to reverse the original situation where you got accused of pulling that "hmm actually that's what I've said all along and we were never disagreeing" - so you try to make me or anyone else experience the same thing as some sort of revenge plot.
But I will take Occam's razor and claim you just want to act smarter than you are.

>>84735775
https://youtu.be/pwoq710hLRU

>>84732768
>Your mbti
intp
>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?
yes. when i was younger i thought it was all militant and anti-man but i now realize most of it isn't, and even the portions that are have a good reason to exist. i also believe men can't be "feminists" all we can do is be allies
>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?
i didn't laugh at a friend's joke that basically said women were all whores and instead frowned and shook my head, i also no longer watch porn involving real women. i am 3 years clean and it's crazy how much better my mental health is
>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?
they're real humans already

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>>84736214
As the preface of the sentence would so cogently imply, it was an example. Specifically, an example that is commonly misunderstood to be the central point of Analytical Typology.
>Is it?
You don't need to see the boundaries to know they exist. The psyche could be inexhaustible, meaning there's not enough time to explore the entire thing. It only appears to be boundless because of that.
It also depends on what perspective you're looking at "the psyche" from. Your own personal psyche is obviously bounded. What exactly are those boundaries? Difficult to say or even know.
But there is almost certainly a "greater psyche" that exists from without our personal psyche, which could feasibly be limitless. And even if this greater psyche did exist, it wouldn't necessarily grant limitless to your own personal psyche.
>Your analogy here only works assuming there's an absolute space as a point of comparison.
No idea what you're even trying to say. What I'm speaking about does not require absolute space, only a stable point of comparison.

You could anchor a buoy in the ocean at specific coordinates. Take a picture of the ocean at that location. Return tomorrow, the ocean will be different on multiple levels of analysis. There will be different fish there. The water molecules will be from a different location. The waves will be different.
It's still the same exact ocean at the same exact location. But your map (the picture) is no longer an accurate representation of what exists there now.
>"differentiation for its own sake"
Yes, differentiation for its own sake. Not differentiation. Also, if we're splitting hairs, it was an analogy, not a metaphor.
>But I will take Occam's razor and claim you just want to act smarter than you are.
>Your analogy here only works assuming there's an absolute space as a point of comparison.
I lol'd.

>>84736523
>Specifically, an example that is commonly misunderstood to be the central point of Analytical Typology.
By who? Actually I don't think I've seen this opinion ever.

>You don't need to see the boundaries to know they exist
But if you cannot see, nor calculate them, then it's an entirely unsubstantiated claim.
>Your own personal psyche is obviously bounded
Is it?
>only a stable point of comparison.
That's what it means. If it's entirely relative, then you don't have a stable point of comparison.

Ahem, if you know there's a distance of 10m between X and Y
But at some point it becomes 11m, I could just figure out which object moved but...

However, if all I know is the relative distance, then that's it, I cannot possibly answer this question in absolute terms. For all I know, both X and Y might be moving, or better yet - space itself just expanded from an origin point that exists between X and Y.

>It's still the same exact ocean at the same exact location
Yes but that's because "absolute space" exists in the non-psychic world.

>we /physics/ now
At least we are bringing some ideas to the table for a change.

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>>84736658
>By who?
No one in particular.
>But if you cannot see, nor calculate them,
As a point of technicality, you cannot see or calculate anything within the psyche. It's all imagined, quite literally. Trying to apply the rules of the physical to the psychological is not a very good way to make any progress at all.
Also, that's not even a true claim. You cannot observe or calculate the border between the conscious and unconscious, yet the relationship is abundantly clear. Just because something isn't observable doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
You cannot see gravity, nor can you calculate it. But its effects are observable. The same principle applies.
>If it's entirely relative
You're talking about something entirely different, and I have no idea what your point even is.
>absolute space" exists
Debatable.
>At least we are bringing some ideas
Gay faggot homo physical ideas that have very little bearing on the conversation and don't really move the conversation in any real direction at all.

>MFW you trying to shoehorn physics into this

Like why are you even bringing up the relative special difference between two objects? That has no bearing on what's even being discussed.
It's like you just ignored the point of what I said and saw the word "ocean" and said "DAS SPESS". Like what?

>>84736789
>You cannot observe or calculate the border between the conscious and unconscious, yet the relationship is abundantly clear
That was my point, sort of. We know there's a relationship or a distance, but you can't claim the space itself has a boundary.
In the case of gravity I can calculate it, but here not at all.

>mfw physics
Your fault for using a vaguely physics-related example. That was absolutely begging for me to bring it up relatively of the psyche as claimed by Jvng.

If there was a fixed boundary, then I could find absolute/stable points of reference, but that's the fun part.

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>>84736876
>That was my point, sort of.
It's almost the antithesis of your point.
>but you can't claim the space itself has a boundary.
That's absurd. You can absolutely claim there's a boundary because there's a difference between the two. If there were no boundary, there would not be the unconscious and the conscious. There would only be one.
It's a very simple idea.
>Your fault for using a vaguely physics-related example
It wasn't physics related. You just.... *cough*... bless yer heart!

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>>84736358
https://youtu.be/EVGMKXGvpCA
https://youtu.be/popIT8fuv0g

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https://youtu.be/0q-wvBAdaVo
*Ciri screamscreechsquuueeee*

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>>84737248
>Develop your SENSES
>SENSES?!?
>SENSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>84737157
I'm choosing to take this in a good way.

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>>84734168
Roman Emperors and their Mothers. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a book about that.
>>84734436
What about when the spit isn't there? What's the context there, and what's so repulsive about it?
>>84734138
>Even if they're bad at them
They're cheaper than men, and put their money where they're told. It also keeps they busy, which has a number of other benefits, to some. The overlords don't care if they're incompetent because they have personal privet doctors and lawyers and such, so it won't effect them until all the little errors finally build up into one big catastrophe, and by then they'll be as powerless us.

It doesn't matter an inch whether you as a single individual is for or against this or any other social movement; it's just a matter of how prepared you'll be when it all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down...

Are you at the first gym or the second?

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>>84737351
Please do.
https://youtu.be/lSb8mhf9x3Q

>>84737268
*straps baby heads to rockets in GMod*
SICK 'IM CHITLINS

When I Thrash it's to feel empty of anything but God that's why all my suicides weren't attempts at a Better Life only to get closer with my Best Friends in my noggin'

>>84737391
That's a bop as one of my known associates would say.

>weren't attempts at a Better Life only to get closer with my Best Friends in my noggin
You're scaring me. Please keep your self safe.

>>84737365
Gym 2! although I do also have a gym 1 save state if you wanna go back, back to the past. Sorry I was in arcs hellven

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>>84737391
Maybe the besties in your head were the friends you made along the way.
wait.... what?

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>>84737566
I'm as hood as I ever been, don't worry for me. Just pray *hearts*

>>84737664
Father forgive me for committing to the bit.

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>>84737748
Wouldn't it be more apt to ask forgiveness for being non-committal to the bit?
Father forgive me, I got cold feet and couldn't go through with it!

>>84737365
>What about when the spit isn't there?
It's too much power for me to have! Maybe they enjoy their oppression. Or maybe, god forbid, they didn't think about me at all. I'm just a vending machine they put burgers in, and get money out.

>They're cheaper than men,
Only in the context that men are still expected to provide for women more than the other way around. But a lot of that is just residual leftovers from a previous age. Men are actually a lot cheaper on a societal level. They have fewer health needs, lower standards. Women suffer more chronic health issues and require specialised reproductive care. For the NHS it's about a 5:4 ratio, so not massive, but significant. It's largely just another one of those things of the private sector outsourcing costs to the state. The classic, "you already look after them so we'll pay less" kind of way. Someone's paying, it's just not the corporations who are exploiting a disconnect between people's expectations and reality. Hopefully by their own logic this means the disconnect shouldn't last long as the rational market corrects itself to fix the discrepancy, right? If women need to get paid enough to buy their own jewellery, cosmetics, fine dining and to support their own children and cover their health issues they won't be any cheaper than men. We're just in a weird in-between period where expectations hasn't caught up to reality. It's the capitalist's role to find things like that and profit off them.

In a similar vein,I can afford to live quite well off of minimum wage because I'm still also living with my parents. This is great for the company that hires me, but terrible for the state and society as a whole.

You're very optimistic about a collapse. I have at least some faith in the administrative class's ability to herd people like cattle. They just need to maintain a core of loyal and competent people to keep their systems going.

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>>84737920
Begging isn't how to contact Amma!

>>84737365
>>84737997
A good system is designed with the assumption that everyone involved is both corrupt and retarded. Also it doesn't actually take many people at all to change things, I heard like a 100 or so if they can get organized. So there isn't no point in having an opinion, the hard part is actually knowing what you want to happen. If your persistent and abandon shame you can go quite far in the world. Anyway anyway. I'm gonna go to bed now since it's stupid late.

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>>84738071
Don't beg for things, do it yourself.

But, I would think- you know, since the bit is a message from God, the only way to fail is to be non-committal? Like if God said, "Hey, go slaughter that cities of sodomites." And then you did just that, I don't think you'd need to be like "Hey, God, forgive me for fuckin' up those sodomites real good like you asked."
But instead, if you got cold feet and couldn't axe them all.

Ya know?

>>84737748
>I'm as hood as I ever been
https://youtu.be/N_1hJYpYfMg

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>>84738973
If you want the advice of a wise ol' sage stuck in the tower atop the frozen mountain;

Pluck out a gray hair and plant it in a plant pot, when it fails to grow, throw your arms up in disbelief and anger, take the plant pot and march your way down to hell and smash the devil over the head with it and demand your money back because he didn't fulfill his side of the deal
>"a plant pot that will grow anything"
As you viciously point to the contract signed in your own blood, the camera pans and zooms into your finger, long and shriveled with fingernails like that of a witch lost in the swamp.
>"ANYTHING!"
Mister devil, ANYTHING! It says!

The devil sighs,
"ANYTHING THAT CAN GROW, YOU FOOL!!"

>"Ah, ah, ah!"
You protest wagging your finger.
>"That's not what the contract SAYS!"

He sighs again.
"Fine."
As he rips up the contract.
"You win this time."
As he reaches into his pocket and hands you back your favorite penny you paid him 3 centuries ago.
"Now get out of my hell, and don't come back!"
He says with an obtuse scowling frown on his face, and teleports you back to your humble abode in the mountaintop.

Moral of the story?
Sometimes cursed dirt is no home for an old white hare.

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>>84739093
https://youtu.be/oKpn758GTCo
>One of those things where I'll get perfectionist avoidant because nothing I can say or do will convey how much I cherish this Weaving
Thank you, Teach'.

>THERE'S MY CHIPPY
WOAH NOICE

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>>84739145
Ah, don't talk down to yourself like that. Of course there's plenty you could say or do to convey that you cherish it.
>You just have to believe what you say.
Say it for yourself, not for me. I don't need to believe you. Who am I? Just some lowly sage hangin' out in a mountain rambling about pennies lost to the devil.

Who needs perfection when good enough exists, right?

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>>84739264
Yeah, definitely a timing and place issue though. But I'm the only one who can still look myself eye to eye without even need for a head tilt when I talk/punch down! Some people would kill for that kind of ordained Ease.

>Godspeed, Much Love, [Harvest not the Unripe] and allat, wher doin thus, where makennit haBpin
You're someone I'm glad to know and to be able to speak so freely with, that's a Shirley Temple with extra tongue-tie breaking practice on top.

Some people cower at even the reflection of the wanton machination of what they deem most Invaluable, eerily irregardlessly.

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>>84736932
I see that way:

The psyche itself knows no bounds, whether it's because it keeps expanding beyond its previous bounds, or it's already endless is a matter of perspective. You could only claim to know here if you assume tabula rasa, but Jung is explicitly against that.
Conscious differentiation would be the equivalent of drawing a circle somewhere, and claim that as long you stay within the encircled area, technically you have a point of reference and absolute coordinates. It would also create a different layer, due to abstraction.

Thing is, what exists outside of the circle is still unconscious and unbounded. You can keep circling more things, or expanding the original circle, but it's never able to cover everything.

And that's only one of the many implications of attaching the psyche to the concept of space/time relativity.
Don't think I can fully grasp everything else yet myself, but I could add that Jung also connects it to microphysics - claiming that all psychic events would be microphysical ones.
I'm sure I can get something fancy out of those formulations by looking up what we know in those fields.

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>>84739422
You know what they say about waiting for the right time. "Don't count your chickens before the property appraiser assesses their coop." That's probably what they say, I've never raised chickens though.
>*looks at the audience*
Wait! We're not supposed to be making it happen yet! The script says that starts on page 37! We're only on page 19! The stage director is going to get angry again if we go off script!

>wanton
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
MY SYNCRONICITY
What did GOD mean by this!?

You know, their fear is understandable. Relatable, even. In way that's difficult to elaborate on. Like God himself handed you a paper with the answer to the universe, but if you looked at it too hard it might combust into time itself.

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>>84739567
The way Jung explains it is not that the psyche/unconscious expands. It shifts. The land itself changes and morphs. In theory, you could map the entirety of the psyche and the unconscious.
But, by the time you'd reached the "end", the beginning would have changed its state completely.

If it helps, you can think of the psyche as a land where time is accelerated or distorted. When the objects of that land leave your view, they morph and change much more rapidly than if they were in your view. On top of that, their change is not linear.
It would be like going to a house, meeting an old lady, leaving for a day, returning and 200 years had passed in your absence. But the old lady evolved into a young kitten, and she tells you the story of how she spoke to a man every day who looked very much like you, who taught her how to become a cat.

>>84739877
>In theory, you could map the entirety of the psyche and the unconscious.
If you are trying to imply that what's mapped belongs to the "conscious" now, disagree with this one. You can conceive it purely as a concept, but in terms of whether this is actually something that can really happen, I'd say it's clearly not.

>When the objects of that land leave your view, they morph and change much more rapidly than if they were in your view.
But we must add that nothing leaves our "view" on its own, that would be us looking away.
This might feel like a semantic point, but it's connected to the concept of what "ego-consciousness" is. We aren't merely observers in the conscious side of the psyche, we are actors and we move the objects at will.

119 is one of my angel numbers for obvious
>Please don't let us all die inna car crash if none of these people will be my friends [let alone the Spouse] in a decade's time
Too bad, one off, but a three with energies of [no concept for in oldest "counting" systems in known universe]

>>84739654
I've chickensat and this is wiseposting of you say jump we say Highest Caliper
>IP theft
But I wanna post chapter with Acorn observatory!
>burnt crab meat rangoons
NnnnOOOOOOh they're still oishi nebermime
>Undertale Sans bubble. Perchance
Yeah. I'd cry if that happened to my files/notes

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>>84740189
.. is cool too

>>84739877
Cernunnos salut!
Saw cool attack eel shadows on canyon walls that reminded me of an AMV I found earlier, shizz was CHOIYCE

>>84733823
Yay! Thanks! *glomp* (>^_^)><(^_^<)

>>84733826
<3
Thank you so much! (>^_^)><(^_^<) <3<3<3

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>The argument, at its core, is this: once you accept that intuition and sensation are structurally parallel functions operating on structurally parallel domains, the claim about intentional microphysical participation is no stronger than the claim about intentional macrophysical arrangement. And that second claim is something no one disputes.
From Clod.
It's that easy to establish in theory, though proving that we can intentionally arrange macrophysical objects is much easier than the microphysical ones, and you could say that on average we still know how to use our physical bodies(or rather, the macrophysical parts of the body) better than the psyche(which would be the microphysical component).

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>>84734138
Oh, yes, I agree with your assessment, it was indeed the men in charge that saw an opportunity for numbers to go up by 'showing women they can be men too' and put them to work, that is true

I don't agree with the second part, though, because I do not care about productivity, humanity shouldn't be seen or depicted as a machine, people just tend to see it as such but this in itself is inefficient because it only leads to chaos and decline, the lack of focus on individual health (mental and physical) due to the race to the bottom of 'how much can we make people do to make number go up' is going to be absolute shit no matter if only a few people gets to make money from it or if everyone does, gommunism is a dream that shan't ever become true, because it can't; not while the human is human, at least, maybe in 20 to 40 years and gene therapy gets mainstream and you can design your kid to be more compassionate and not be a greedy psychopathic kike etc, then sure, then communism could maybe work; but then who's going to be okay with designing their baby to be the farmer if they instead could have some cool job like being a doctor or something?
Who's going to recycle the trash? Who's going to work the hard, risky jobs rather than hope for your kid to stay at home and do some bullshit exec job then? (that won't be replaced by AI by then, too)

Transhumanism is the future and I WILL convince my kids to gene therapy theirs, of course, and I WILL chrome myself up as soon as it's safe enough to do so, but I also believe that the elite will be able to gene therapy their kids to be the greedy psychopathic kikes that they are even if it's 'mandated' for the goyims to have their kids become cattle, it's going to be a very interesting thing to see either way

>>84734168
This doesn't count, because the little ojouu-sama in my head is not a woman, couldn't be a woman, and can't be a woman, because, as you yourself say, she's my own invention and my own idea of what she is

>>84734168
But I'll still entertain the thought;
If your inferior function is your master, why did you pick the red button? :^)
It's a very interesting concept, and I can't really disagree because my Fe does tend to sometimes push me to feel or think things I'd otherwise see as completely irrational, or I guess I used to see it that way, and now I'm slowly but surely accepting that they're not irrational, they're actually part of my rationality, they just seem irrational at first because I base my own opinion of what's rational on what my idea of what others may see or perceive to be rational or not, which is stupidly backwards but what can you do

For example, if people are happy around me, I have an easier time feeling happy, if they're sad, I'm sad, if they're mad, I'm mad, it's not necessarily empathy (not blind at least) because it depends on my relationship with the person in the first place, I'd sometimes make someone mad just for the sake of it and see how they react to things (that mainly happened when I was younger tho, I then realized that this is a sure way to lose people and make them want to stay away from you, but it still happens every now and then), so even though I like to think of myself as based in general (not the internet understanding of based, I mean that I think for myself and most of my ideas are my own and I can very very heartily disagree with people around me and people I frequent and will tell them as such), which is counter productive to my own happiness, right?
Because telling people what they want to hear and whatever makes them happy would then make me happy, so it's in my interest to do just that... but I sometimes don't, not because I don't understand it (well accidents happen), because I often know exactly what I 'should' say in a given moment, but I simply chose not to, is it just self destruction because autism? I don't know

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>>84740980
>and my own idea of what she is
It's the archetypal idea itself that carries significance, though if you are able to separate the little ojou-sama in your head from this idea, then she has no power even if she were a real woman.
Is it a good thing? Very debatable: the Anima will find another vessel - and for a lack of better options(no woman IRL, no waifu, etc) - the only remaining move ends up being Anima possession(you become the woman).
You know when people state that troonism is the ultimate form of inceldom? They are right as per Jung, talk about a fun parallel.

>>84741024
>If your inferior function is your master, why did you pick the red button? :^)
Because I'm a rebellious fuck and tell my master to fuck off. Well, the superior function is supposed to hold its own against the inferior function after all, it's just that the latter knows how to catch you unawares when you aren't specifically doing that, or in ways that you didn't think you were vulnerable to yet.

> if people are happy around me, I have an easier time feeling happy, if they're sad, I'm sad, if they're mad, I'm mad
Meanwhile the Jung-accurate Fe Stacy enters the room and she decides what everyone is supposed to feel. Though she will also think whatever the fuck you tell her to think, or become stubborn about shit that doesn't matter in the slightest because the inferior thinking decided it does, for reasons.

> I'd sometimes make someone mad just for the sake of it and see how they react to things
I still do that at times, when I believe it's very deserved. Feeling development apparently equals being a little shit but with a moral high ground for my type.

> but I simply chose not to, is it just self destruction because autism?
Would be the superior function, the one you actually control, trying to hold its own against the unconscious.

Do you think lilac needs a big strong man with a hard cock to fuck her mouth so she stops talking or does she need a sissy femboy to cuddle with and yap into his ears all night to release her pent up speech energy?

I think there's no type that can easily harbor such a severe hatred for people like INFJs, feeling like aliens wherever they go and seeing through people being so horrid or fake. At the same time, they will feel a kind of compassion for (some) humans that's hard to find, but they will still want to burn the world when they're unhealthy or disillusioned

INFJs always love me but won't ever commit. Stupid fucking whores

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>>84732768
nrew here hi
>Your mbti
infp-t, according to my most recent runthrough
>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?
extremely so, yes. i have been pretty much all my life and nothing can change that
>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?
continuing to live as a passing trans woman feels like a visceral act of rebellion against the male oppressor, there isn't much more damaging to their egos than finding a tranny hot and catcalling her on the streets while simultaneously opposing our existence. making conservatives second-guess themselves brings me life
>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?
i almost forgot this was 4chan thank you for reminding me

>>84741578
we are afraid of commitment sometimes, yeah. It feels like a final choice and we want to make the "perfect" choice (we will end up not choosing anything)

>>84741615
OMG Natalie?
>making conservatives second-guess themselves brings me life
based. Us progressives need to learn to be better at trolling, make our own kind of black humor

>>84741629
not sure who natalie is but that is a good name

>>84741640
Contrapoints

>>84741578
are you INFP?
>stupid fucking whores
or the ENTP guy?

>>84741650
ah, i've heard of her yeah

>>84741656
No I'm a masculine type

>>84741675
so, ISTP? INFJs are secretly whores for STPs type physically wise

I know of the INFJ and xSTP whore pipeline, but no I'm the superior type INTJ. The most masculine of all.

>>84741712
oh, now I get it. You guys know about everything, it's really interesting talking to you about things but you are the most arrogant fucks on Earth, us INFJs are arrogant too but subtly or unknowingly, you're outwardly arrogant and we cannot really stand that

>>84741734
I have the trait of pride, but I acknowledge it's evil and would not be arrogant with my INFJ wife.
I submit on my knees every single day so as to not become vain.

I just know that I'm high rank amongst the world as is the INFJ, castes should stick together not mix with the mudbloods.

>>84741656
I don't see INFJs as whores, not more than most other types or most other women in general, being 'a whore' is the default, natural state of being a woman, it's not tied to INFJs, you seem to misunderstand why I shit on INFJs constantly, I was going to type 'why I dislike them' but, I don't even necessarily dislike them, it's simply a mix of them being a type I intimately know and knowing and understanding that they see themselves as such divine creatures that they need to be kicked down a few notches, because it's both fun to punch up and good for them to get a reality check on the fact that, no, they're not angels, no, they're not sent by [insert divine authority/mandate] to tell us what is right and wrong, and no, they can't always use their charm and mysticism to get out of socially awkward situations and ESPECIALLY the confrontational kind

So, no, they're not whores, even if they're always horny for that dominant Ne cock

>>84741834
Oh, forgot to add, and it's pretty important;
No, you're not perfect, and more importantly; no, nobody expects you to be perfect or to do things perfectly, stop using it as a fucking excuse not to do something people expect you to do simply because you don't think you can make it good enough, just fucking do it you whore

That is all

>>84741789
I am prideful as well, but never willfully arrogant, no reason to be and if it was, it's not in my nature. I guess I am arrogant when it come to my ideals and the way I see the world, I'm not arrogant about myself but about my worldviews
>I submit on my knees every single day so as to not become vain
that's a well developing Fi, it's a good thing if you're seeking a feeling partner
>I just know that I'm high rank amongst the world as is the INFJ
we are a mess compared to TJs, we're both out of the matrix tho, in spirit

>>84741873
Holy typo, sorry

>>84741834
>no, they're not angels
true, I'm a fallen angel and I do have evil inside of me
>to tell us what is right and wrong
we simply know best
>they can't always use their charm and mysticism to get out of socially awkward situations and ESPECIALLY the confrontational kind
it's about the bigger picture other INFJs do that? I'm stealing this technique, thank youu
>>84741866
nah

>>84741873
It's hard not to be arrogant when you look at yourself in the mirror and see Patrick Bateman staring back day after day.
The INFJ struggles to feel the same because they're too eepy to get to the shower.

How much does the INxJ value sense perception or are they just stuck in their heads completely?

>>84741192
Honestly I was mostly shitposting about the ojouu-sama, I don't really have anything in my head that has any 'shape', or rather there's not a fixed one, the interlocutor I'll have my internal monologue with will take whatever shape makes more sense, if I'm thinking of a conversation I had with my wife then I'll imagine her, if it's with my INTJ friend it'll be him, and if it's with purplesmart then it'll be her, and if it's just pointless ramblings then it'll be me, but I just assume that this is true for anyone with an internal monologue?
Is it not the case?
I do know that a lot of people don't have that voice in their head, the monkeys are still walking among us, but for anyone with a monologue then surely it will take the shape that their brain can most easily make sense of, you see this in all form of popular media when someone (usually shown as unhealthy or going insane or whatever) is having conversations with people that don't exist, that's just a projection of their inner monologue isn't it?
Tho for some reason I'm thinking of House from house M.D as the best example of it and he's definitely a strong intuitive user, and so is the doctor in battlestar galactica... so maybe this is an intuitive thing, mmhh
Intredasting

I don't know about the tranny part, maybe, see when I think of trannies I mostly think of the speedrunning community (first example that comes to mind) because I don't live in the US and so we don't do the tranny thing here, and the only one I ever had to interact with was working from canada and he was mostly fine, just another autistic guy with a passion for retro games so I didn't really care for that aspect, so I don't know
But for all these other speedrunners that turn into trannies, I wonder? What would cause their anima to not find a fitting receptacles? Is it tied to the peer pressure they were feeling? Or is the peer pressure sensitivity BECAUSE of the lack of shape given to their anima, I don't fucking know

>>84741964
>Patrick Bateman
ew. Not specifically to you. Great movie but hate those kind of guys with a passion, I don't remember another movie protagonist I hated as much as Bateman
>too eepy to get to the shower
didn't feel this burn much because I'm one of the cleanest people I know. I took it too literally didn't I? Anyway, we have other kind of complexes

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>>84741991
Can be valued as necessity, a source of inspiration, or a weird obsession, but the idea is that an intuitive and especially an introverted one is particularly detached from physical reality. At worst they don't even feel their own body, and at best they will still be somewhat aloof.

>>84741997
>Is it not the case?
In my case it's a little funny. See, normally my internal monologue has no shape, I don't even hear my own voice though I still "feel" the word being spoken.
But very fittingly to what I just said to the other anon, since I also like to write character dialogue, there I go full sensoid and straight imagine expressions, tone of voice, even gestures and you could say I'm straight running a fully animated movie in my head.

>because I don't live in the US
Good for you. There again, I'm also in EU rn.

> Is it tied to the peer pressure they were feeling? Or is the peer pressure sensitivity BECAUSE of the lack of shape given to their anima, I don't fucking know
Could be both ways. Of course modern culture doesn't help, since it accepts that form of Anima projection despite being the most destructive of them all(better known as archetype possession)

>Angelus Silesius was such a man; he lived in a time when he simply could not find his equal. Yes, if he had been able to travel to India, he would have found his equal. They would have said his truth was an old truth which they had known long ago. But nobody could understand in the West. And what happened to him?
>Well, he was a fellow who did not get into Dionysian enthusiasms because, as his fate shows, he locked himself away with his complex. He locked himself up literally in a monastery where he died. He lost all his beautiful poetry completely, and produced fifty-six awful pamphlets against Protestantism.
>He had been a Protestant and he died most miserably in a hell of a neurosis in a monastery. You see, that was the other way round: his body died before his soul, and his soul became a terrible, poisonous demon-the soul of that man who had produced "Der Cherubinische Wandersmann," that sweet mystic verse. And then fifty-six pamphlets against Protestantism!

>That is something horrible, really satanic. But it is what naturally happens to the introvert, or at least to the one who prefers that mechanism. It is of course only faintly a question of type. I am convinced that even an introvert can use an extraverted mechanism if he uses the way of the inferior function.

As long you don't say he "uses the way of the auxiliary function" we will be happy here.
Still that's an interesting way to put it.

1/2

Also

>Nietzsche had an extraverted mind, so he would use the extraverted mechanism, the Dionysian way.
>But you see both in Nietzsche's case. He was first a professor at the University of Basel, but he was not quite understood, so he locked himself away with his complex and lived quite isolated.
>Then the unconscious came up with all its extraversion, and this time he locked the complex away from himself and dissolved in a tremendous extraversion within his isolation, exactly like old Angelus Silesius-who should have discovered the cellar of the monastery
and about a thousand bottles of old wine.

Though we know that Nietzsche personally is an introverted intuition type, so that's also a peculiar way to put it.
That will be confirmed multiple times in the same seminar here.

2/2

Also fuck nearly a week to read 1/11 seminars. That's going to take a fuckin while.
The 1925 one was NOT that long, did it 2 days.

>>84733342
>Huh? Atgument against being an intuition type?
Yes, calling intuition feminine being an argument against being intuitive is a bizarre leap in logic

>>84742754
It's very straightforward from the OG perspective, what you associate with the opposite sex is conditioned by Anima/Animus projections, and the Anima/Animus represents the inferior function(s).
Besides, he did say so himself.
Of course, that assumes the subject is identical with his own expressed standpoint here. If one speaks in more detached, purely rationalistic terms, then the association is a known one.

>>84740980
>I do not care about productivity
Well that's the crux of the issue really. There's a reason feminism is so closely tied with the great bomb making competitions one and two. When the goal was to pump out as many explosives as possible; fascists, monarchists and democrats could all suddenly justify female workforces. It's undeniably better if you're actually trying to achieve something, and the argument against is that you don't think anything needs to be done.

Today, the only grand project going on is to make imaginary number go up, so we are at a fork in the road. Either we find a new goal and fire up the people grinders to max capacity, or we Lastmanmaxx scale back and have 99% of people sit around jerking it while a handful of champions/unfortunates operate the iphone and chicken tendie machines. Either way there's no going back to old sex relations. Well there is, except that would come under category two and require people to be kinkier than I thought possible and use their new found freedom to on-mass bdsmlarp. Whatever, I suppose it's not that much crazier than the current economicactivitylarping that goes on today.

As always leftoids and rightists often end up on the wrong side and advocate for the complete opposite of what they say they want so who cares I suppose. Bring on the robots. I'm still not convinced we're not just gonna run out of microchips or helium or something in like 20 years anyway. Sometimes the AI boom feels like an intentional ruining of mass market computer parts. Something I've dreamed about is that if I was a feudal lord, burning all the oil in the world would be a good way of preventing my rivals from using aeroplanes against me. Like a pre-emptive attrition war.

>>84740288
Nya! prrrr, meow!
(>,^_^,)><(^_^<)

Do you think INFJs would enjoy being spanked?

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>>84742444
>1/11 seminars
Post your full reading backlog.

>>84742827
>what you associate with the opposite sex is conditioned by Anima/Animus projections
Projections are the surface signature.

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>>84742872
11 all in the same place
For a total of around 1300 pages about Zarathustra, wake me up. Re-reading PT would have been better than this.
It's good stuff and it does include the typology too among other things, but not as good as the 1925 one still.

>>84742865
INFJs are very kinky. Not everyone enjoy the spanking kink but some would

I don't think I could ever be with anything else than a NF. Sensors just don't get it, no matter how hard you try, their mind isn't programmed to think differently. They're NPCs at heart. And thinkers are too rational and detached, they may understand but they don't bother to

>>84732768
>>Your mbti
INTP
>>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?
No, feminism is for women and their interest only.
>>(Optional) What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?
Why would I? women themselves already do a pretty great job to keep it alive
>>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?
But they're human, just opportunistic and selfish people.

I think I could be with any personality type as long as their nice and loved me and I could run my fingers through their hair while we hold hands

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2. THE THEOLOGICAL DISPUTES OF THE ANCIENT CHURCH
[31] It is more than probable that the contrast of types will also be found in the history of the schisms and heresies that were so frequent in the disputes of the early Church. The Ebionites or Jewish Christians, who were probably identical with the primitive Christians generally, believed in the exclusive humanity of Christ and held him to be the son of Mary and Joseph, only subsequently receiving his consecration through the Holy Ghost. On this point the Ebionites were diametrically opposed to the Docetists. The effects of this opposition endured long after. The conflict came to light again in an altered form-which, though doctrinally attenuated, had an even graver effect on Church politics-about the year 320 in the Arian heresy. Arius denied the formula propounded by the orthodox Church: (of one substance with the Father), in favour of (of like substance with the Father). When we examine more clearly the history of the great Arian controversy concerning homoousia and homoiousia (the complete identity as against the similarity of Christ's substance with God), it seems to us that homoiousia definitely puts the accent on the sensuous and humanly perceptible, in contrast to the purely conceptual and abstract standpoint of homoousia. In the same way it would appear to us that the revolt of the Monophysites (who upheld the absolute unity of Christ's nature) against the Dyophysite formula of the Council of Chalcedon (which upheld the inseparable duality of Christ, his human and divine nature coexisting in one body) once more asserted the standpoint of the abstract and inconceivable as against the sensuous and naturalistic formula of the Dyophysites.

Goodness that's a lot of creed dropping.
>Homoousia vs Homoiousia
Did trying to wrap his head around all this hair-splitting do irreversible damage to Jung's psyche? Perhaps humanity as a whole. I guess that's kind of his point.

As long it's not an INFP I'm are good.

>>84742994
Interpreting sacred texts is no joke. People will literally kill each other over the hair-splitting.

>>84742994
Contrast between types can be found in the schisms of the early church
Ebonites
>Jewish Christians, probably basically just what the earliest christians were like, since you know, duh.
>Think Jesus was a real human bean, and son of Mary and Joseph
>Was later consecrated by the holy spirit
Docetists (From what Jung said in paragraph 15)
>Christ was basically a ghost and everything that happened on earth was just an illuuusion.

>These guys hated each other and the effects of their feud lasted a long time after they'd stopped arguing
>This argument came back, although it was kind of watered down I guess? Apparently that's what "doctrinally attenuated" means???
>In 320 Arius tried to be a bit of a weasel by saying Jesus was "kinda like" god when everyone else in the meetup was saying God and Jesus were literally the same thing.
>Homoousia = God and Jesus are made out of the same goo
>Homoiousia = I can't believe it's not Godder!
>Homoousia is purely abstract and conceptual
>Homoiousia puts emphasis on the things you can see and touch.

Monophysites
>upheld that christ was just divine (had to google this one)
Dyophysites
>upheld that christ was divine and human living in the same body

>This is again a dichotomy between just embracing utter nonsense, and people trying to make some sense of utter nonsense with things they could understand

Phew! Glad I could decipher some of that. Interested to see where this goes.

>>84742994
>Did trying to wrap his head around all this hair-splitting do irreversible damage to Jung's psyche? Perhaps humanity as a whole. I guess that's kind of his point.
Yes. These people were (and are) so wrapped up in pseudo-intellectual babble and their and own musings that they failed to understand mercy, covenant, and who God is. They brought the world in and made their traditions central, rather than their acclaimed Savior. Still is true to this day, yet the Holy Spirit still does live, reign, and reside with believers who yearn for and search for our creator.

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The fucking retard kekntaur should put this into the OP picture already.
t. PVTCHOVLI

>>84742902
The Hinduism focus seminar series?

>>84743264
I'm so retarded I don't even get the reference. heheh, checkmate nerd!

>>84743264
It's the series on Nietzsche's Zarathustra actually.
Reading it because I've found quite a few statements on his theory, including typology too. Dropped some already, might drop again once I reach them in order.

grrr i need wilderness berry girlfriend to pluck and trim and cook my quail

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>>84732768
>>Your mbti
INTJ
>>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?
Yes!
>>(Optional) Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day?
No.

Very good questions this time! Because.

>>84743273
There's a reference?

[32] At the same time it becomes overwhelmingly clear to us that, in the Arian movement as in the Monophysite dispute, although the subtle dogmatic question was the main issue for the minds that originally conceived it, this was not so for the great mass of people who took part in the controversy. Even in those early days so subtle a question had no motivating force with the masses, who were stirred rather by the problems and claims of political power that had nothing to do with differences of theological opinion. If type differences had any significance at all here, it was merely because they provided catchwords that gave a flattering label to the crude instincts of the mass. But this should in no way blind us to the fact that, for those who kindled the quarrel, homoousia and homoiousia were a very serious matter. For concealed within it, both historically and psychologically, lay the Ebionite creed of a purely human Christ with only relative ("apparent") divinity, and the Docetist creed of a purely divine Christ with only apparent corporeality.

Interesting that the Extraverted-Feeler-Sensor equivalent accepts some of the divinity, but the Introverted-thinker-intuitive accepts none of the human Christ. Either the Is are floating off into space or human is already half way to divine perhaps. Or maybe Christ is already just an INT space. I wonder if there's an equivalent situation where it's pure sensors vs half and half intuitoids.

>>84743323
>There's a reference?
Gah! You win this one! I'll get you next tiiimmme!

>>84741991
The inferior function has a bit of a hot-cold black/white thinking to it. So they may either completely disdain it or maybe even have something of a "Noble Savage" outlook on Extroverted Sensation types. Hell they might have the same thoughts at the same time.

>>84743373
cont.
And beneath this level in turn lies the great psychological schism. The one position attaches supreme value and importance to the sensuously perceptible, whose subject, though it may not always be human and personal, is nevertheless always a projected human sensation; the other maintains that the chief value lies with the abstract and extra-human, whose subject is the function; in other words, with the objective process of nature, that runs its course determined by impersonal law, beyond human sensation, of which it is the actual foundation. The former standpoint overlooks the function in favour of the function-complex, if man may be so regarded; the latter overlooks man as the indispensable subject in favour of the function. Each standpoint denies the principal value of the other. The more resolutely the adherents of either standpoint identify themselves with it, the more they strive, with the best intentions perhaps, to force it on the other, and thereby violate the other's supreme value.

Gahh, why can't we all just be friends! I'd never push my standpoint onto someone else! No suree, not me! That would be terrible!

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>>84741991
Depends on what's the current target of the sense perception.
Maybe that's why sensors have trash taste, and why having trash taste is a sign of being a sensor (I'm joking right now, almost, mostly. Are y'all the type to appreciate a joke? Y'all'ren't. Sighhhhhhh).

patchi is aggressively unlikable

my favorite part about patchy is how she comes like a dude despite having a vagina

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>>84743439
Jvng is still a Fe-groid in his unconscious y'know.

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>>84740189
You could always come hang out atop my icy mountain. There's even a volcanic portal to hell, through which we can sacrifice all of our worldly goods. Just don't let the devil catch you doing that, he'll give you some shpeel about how his volcano isn't a trash disposal, yada yada yada.
It's not even his volcano though. It's not even a volcano! It's MY mountain. The guy doesn't know his ass from his head.

Wise is a bit of a stretch though, perhamps?

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>>84743373
>Even if the thought leaders were arguing over autistic bullshit, the same is not so for the masses, who were just in it for blood and because they liked being told what to do.
>Any ideological differences were just buzzwords and slogans they could use to justify being nasty
>But this doesn't mean that the quibbling didn't matter to the eggheads and brainboxes who started it.
>Because they were arguing about basically the same thing they'd been in fisticuffs over for decades if not hundreds of years
>>84743439
>Beneath this dispute lies the REAL issue for REAL men
>One camp loves REAL stuff. Bottom text
>The other camp loves abstract nonsense that doesn't actually mean anything. But it makes them feel smart because they say it's bigger than them and imperceptible or something. These guys got totally one-shotted by lovecraft and haven't recovered since.
>The first camp sees past the trees to the forest, claiming that a bunch of functions working together to find something real is more important than one on its own. I think that's what he means anyway I ctrl f'd function-complex and that was the only result.
>>if man may be so regarded;
What did he actually mean by this?
>The other ignores everything else and just focuses on individual brain functions
>these standpoints are like worst enemies, they want each other freaking dead.
>The more you become one, the more you try and crush the other, even if you're trying to be nice, you're still basically violating the other attitude every day just by existing.

Again that's so sad! How do we fix this sorry state of affairs?

>>84743585
die *shoots u*

reggie orgy on ice mountain

your walls of text make my ADHD brain feel very stupid

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>>84743641
lmao that pic
Also I'm going to need to re-watch HC eventually, there's so much kino here. These girls read Jung harder than us.

>if man may be so regarded;
ngl I'm not entirely sure. Probably trying to imply you cannot think of man as only the function-complex.

>How do we fix this sorry state of affairs?
The type problem requires a final solutoin.

NO, YES, FUCK IT! I AM IN LOVE WITH CENTAUR AND HE IS IN LOVE WITH ME AND DONT YOU FUCKING GIVE ME THAT LOOK LILAC BECAUSE I DIDNT FUCK YOUR BF. YOU TWO WERE BROKEN UP FOR 3 WEEKS AND 3 DAYS BEFORE WE EVEN HAD SEX SO I DIDNT BETRAY YOU. PLUS YOU GUYS ARE TERRIBLE FOR EACH OTHER AND YOU KNOW IM RIGHT AND YOU GUYS CAN ALL JUDGE ME IF YOU WANT BUT I DO NOT CARE! I HAVE NEVER, EVER BEEN HAPPIER!

>>84743743
>lmao that pic
ok so cure is maga
is there anyone here that isn't a sexist chud

Now go ahead and delete it, promptly!

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>>84743815
>is there anyone here that isn't a sexist chud

>>84743815
precure fanbase is notoriously right wing, and they're also insufferable spergs. pc threads were the worst thread in /a/

>>84743829
kek, exactly. orignialgihnansld

>>84743849
Curefriend said the Precure threads were bad too

>>84743849
True on both points, but that's why you post Precure literally anywhere else on the site instead.

>>84743867
it's an unspoken yet established rule: the moer/cuter the girls they post are, the more right wing and chuddy they are. Now what's still a mystery is how to identify if they're the aggressive kind or the passive aggressive kind
>>84743868
wdym?

Subconscious spillings, seems

>>84743815
>t. doesn't get it
that pic re-appropriates an originally sexist meme and turns it on its head, challenging the original audience to reflect on the ways in which they see the world. Maybe I can spell it out by giving the character a haircut or even replacing her with a chudjack, the introvert can be anyone after all, but that would remove the aspect of forcing the male audience to relate with the female caricature. Why shouldn't it be a woman. Ironically erasing the woman in an attempt to avoid appearing sexist. The pic as currently presented is a form of revenge against the predominantly introverted male audience of this thread. You laughed at her, and now you must be her. The image explicitly transposes the woman from being an object into being a subject. She is looking you in the eye, not for your approval, but as (You) itself. Daring you to tell her that you aren't her.

>>84743891
>wdym?
You wouldn't want to use /a/ to talk about Precure. As the other anon said the general (formely known as /pc/) really fuckin sucks. Still go there every once in a while especially when a new season is about to start, but still.

>>84740149
>If you are trying to imply that what's mapped belongs to the "conscious"
That is a bit of a misnomer. If you make something unconscious conscious, does it belong to the conscious?
If I draw a picture of a tree, does that tree belong to me? It's not about ownership, it's about awareness.

What is certain is:
The unconscious can be made conscious. And if one part of the unconscious can be made conscious, any part of the unconscious can be made conscious. Albeit, the totality likely cannot, due to its inexhaustible nature.
>But we must add that nothing leaves our "view" on its own
That's not exactly true. Don't forget, the unconscious is autonomous and can withdrawal itself from conscious view. The ego is not the sole arbiter of the psyche.
The unconscious is not different from the conscious, other than the fact that it's unconscious. It has its own motivations, desires, needs, etc. It acts, and plans, imagines, and processes just like you do.

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>>84743867
>>84743916
I used to post on cure threads. Way way before cureanon was a thing here, I brought up MBTI there and they got autistically mad like everytime someone brought up something "off topic". It only happened there, that was the only thread on /a/ where you weren't allowed to talk about anything but precure, gaslighting you into thinking you were trashing the threads. Sure other /a/ generals have their flaws but that place was, like zoomers say, toxic. I told them to fuck off long ago because that wasn't the only bad thing about it btw. It was quite sad that the only place where to discuss precure that wasn't populated by children and teenagers was like that, I only sticked around because there were some good anons to talk to and sometimes we had fun making fun of the spergs, they already established we were their imaginary "shitposters" so may as well go along with that definition from time to time. One time anon posted a pic and some went mad for it, so much it turned into a meme.
This season seems to be great too, don't know if things changed now.

I was quite surprised when I came back here and found a cure poster

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I am not the type to even really care much for extroverted thinking but it seems like of all the functions not only is shitty extroverted thinking incredibly common, it is also the most likely to do actual damage. Nobody seems to care that much about replication, checking sources and other such issues and instead just go along with whatever a headline says or not even bother to ask how those results even manifested. If they even bother looking past the headline at all. Nobody seems to know what "Averages" are as well.

to this day I still wonder if Rolafag was one of the spergs getting mad or a troll. If he was the latter, based

>>84744016
>Nobody seems to care that much about replication, checking sources and other such issues and instead just go along with whatever a headline says or not even bother to ask how those results even manifested
but aren't Te users the most likely to be anal about sources? INTJs ISTJs are like that, getting into endless discussions about statistics and fake news. Sure they push their own narrative with those but still

>>84744016
I have huge Te user envy. They actually get shit done, always. I have never met a lazy Te user besides INFP, and yet INFPs can be very dedicated to their work too

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>>84743942
>If you make something unconscious conscious, does it belong to the conscious?
Purely in conceptual terms, yes. If a previously unconscious thing is brought into the conscious, now it becomes part of it.
You could use the functions as example, since they all start unconscious and merged into each other, but then one gets differentiated into the conscious, thus abstracted from the rest.

> It's not about ownership, it's about awareness.
That's what you seem to be fundamentally mistaken about. Ego-consciousness in Jung also implies ownership, see how he speaks of the superior function for instance.

>Don't forget, the unconscious is autonomous and can withdrawal itself from conscious view. The ego is not the sole arbiter of the psyche.
Sure, but what you are saying here only has to do with "awareness".
Whenever something is made conscious, that does not move anymore without you making it move.

>>84744006
While I do understand their concern with "off-topic" since there were some attempts at derailing the general before - yeah, they went full schizo about that and identifying literally everyone as rolafag or whatever bogeyman they come up with. You try bringing up Minori too, while we are at it.
As for the season, well I like it more than the previous one but I also like Kokoro more than anyone else in Meitantei. Mikuru do be cute tho, Luluka is nice.

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>>84744076
Rolafag was pretty funny. If he was the troll I think he was, I think it was hillarious when he showed up. I knew he was an aifag, if I remember correctly, so I get their distrust but I didn't really care much myself, I don't think a single anon had that much power to derail the thread. Spamming about him made things worse and thread turned into endless arguing about inside stuff instead of "actually talking about precure" like they used to say
>Minori
cute character and minorifag was cute too, I don't know what his deal was
>As for the season, well I like it more than the previous one but I also like Kokoro more than anyone else in Meitantei
I feel sorry for Kokoro. They fumbled Idol bad, her character got screwed the most for no reason. As for Meitantei, I have to catch up, I just know this is one of the best season in years, is my intuition right or something before it better?

there's two curefags now? which is the real one?

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>>84744076
>Purely in conceptual terms, yes. If a previously unconscious thing is brought into the conscious, now it becomes part of it.
No it does not. Becoming conscious of something which is unconscious does not make that thing part of the conscious.
You can actively and consciously observe something which is unconscious, and it can remain unconscious.
>Whenever something is made conscious, that does not move anymore without you making it move.
This almost reads as a parody of Jung. You're just completely defying the Red Book. Jung's entire psychology rests on the discovery that conscious awareness does not eliminate the autonomy of unconscious contents.

I honestly don't even know where'd you get this sort of belief from, because it's the exact opposite of what Jung speaks about.

>>84744232
I'm not a curefag but I occasionally talk about precure because I'm a fan

Purecure is hot garbage.

Precure watch-along when?

is turbie a precure

Nobody laughed at my precum joke the other thread

>>84743679
Never doubt yourself anon. Sometimes it's the wall of text that's just stupid. Are there any in particular you need help with?

>>84743323
What's stopping women from being human in your eyes? Is it because they're incapable or is it like one of those trick answers where they have to become something else because even the term woman excludes them humanity?

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>>84744149
>is my intuition right or something before it better?
Relatively to the last years? You're good. Maybe Idol has a better start I guess?
In general? We will see, we are barely into the second cour. It's not Heartcatch-tier, but probably will do better than hero, wan and Idol combined.

>cute character
That she is. I'm not sure myself how the whole shitposting surrounding her started.

>I feel sorry for Kokoro.
You and every other anon I guess. Everyone says they should have done more with her.
At least her character arc exists.

>>84744274
Would be cool if enough fans end up posting here, somehow. Well, the series is Jung-pilled. Even Idol was(muh joining light and darkness, and the Meroron scene), and the current series isn't making it too subtle
>Cure Arcana Shadow
>theme about finding your own truth, how the individual shapes it, and how it shapes the individual

>>84744235
Now back on the topic, before the spirit of /pc/ materializes here to remind us that this isn't a Precure thread...

>You can actively and consciously observe something which is unconscious, and it can remain unconscious.
Correct, but observation and awareness aren't differentiation.
You can also observe the inferior function and stay aware of it, or the shadow, but that does not become operable by the subject's will yet.

>I honestly don't even know where'd you get this sort of belief from
Reading Jung.
The problem is that, despite claiming otherwise, it turns out you are the one who missed a very basic concept: the Ego/conscious has a "will", that is, your own will. To differentiate something in consciousness is to make the thing subject to your intentions, not merely having it pop out in your current awareness.

>>84744433
>wonderful hater
opinion discarded

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>>84744459
Well go wan-wan yourself too.

>>84744433
Wonderful was great. It ended up being one my favorite seasons because I felt for the story and the characters more than with any other season. They felt genuine. It is not the best season and it did fuck some things up, the action and the very slow burn, but I have fond memories of it regardless. Is SD better than wan in your opinion?

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>>84744500
>Is SD better than wan in your opinion?
I don't like to judge before the series is done, but I'm kinda biased because I certainly like the mysteryfagging.
tl;dr it's a Detective Conan-like show with solvable mysteries and hints given before this kind of scene pops up and the cures solve the mystery. There are both episodic mysteries and overarching ones.
Action is there too, some was pretty good, the rest average enough.

>>84744542
I did watch some episodes, I know the main dynamic. What I was asking was: is the plot more interesting? Does it flow better? Are there more kino moments compared to Wan? Stuff like that

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>>84744589
Don't want to spoil much, but I thought what we got so far is decent enough.
The plot does appear to be more interesting, purely from the premise alone since you have seen what it is about already.
There's at least one kino moment so far.

>>84744315
It's ok I laugh at every precum joke(they make them a lot).

>>84744620
oh yeah the two parter was good. I wish things got creepier

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>>84744637
I'm hoping this is sort of a reverse-Idol and instead of making it as "comfy" as possible, they are saving some intense stuff for the 2nd half. They could learn from something...

futari was the only good season and only little zoom zooms think otherwise

>>84744433
>but observation and awareness aren't differentiation.
Yes they are. Obviously, (or maybe not-so), observation and awareness are not the whole story, but they're absolutely differentiation.
I can meet you in the middle and give you the benefit of the doubt as you what I believe you're *trying* to say. Awareness and observation alone are not differentiation.

Awareness itself is an act of differentiation, albeit a low resolution one. To be aware of something is to draw a distinct differentiation between it and its surroundings.
To draw a metaphor:
Even taking one step in a race is competing in a race.
>but that does not become operable by the subject's will yet.
That is not the point of differentiation. The objective of differentiation is not to bring the unconscious into the ego's realm of control.
That's expressly the opposite of the intent of differentiation. One of the key points of differentiation is the realization that there exists aspects of your own psyche that exists outside of your realm of control, even though they are absolutely within your own psyche.
>To differentiate something in consciousness is to make the thing subject to your intentions
To differentiate something is to build a conscious relationship with that aspect of yourself, and allowing it to speak to you without the ego trying to tyrannically author what it has to say. The unconscious cannot be reduced to obedience of the ego.

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>>84744675
Murayama is known for making the 2nd half feel more intense and plot driven so I am pretty hopeful and judging from the first episodes I have seen, we're getting new, badder villains later

>>84744821
Where do I even begin here...

>observation and awareness are not the whole story
I would say that as long we are limited to observation and awareness, you didn't differentiate yet.
Kinda like the difference between observing a bottle of water, and drinking from it.

>Even taking one step in a race is competing in a race.
You are only looking at the race though. It is in your field of awareness, but you are not in it yet.

>The objective of differentiation is not to bring the unconscious into the ego's realm of control.
Actually that's the literal definition of "differentiation in consciousness".
Also not the "unconscious", but rather something that started from there.
A "content" is the generic term, but you could also use the 4 functions as examples: we say that somebody has differentiated Thinking when they can use the function at will, and it fully accords to the subject's intention.

> One of the key points of differentiation is the realization that there exists aspects of your own psyche that exists outside of your realm of control, even though they are absolutely within your own psyche.
You are probably getting confused with integration of the self, or individuation in general terms.

>To differentiate something is to build a conscious relationship with that aspect of yourself, and allowing it to speak to you without the ego trying to tyrannically author what it has to say.

Let me explain in very simple words:
You have things that happen because you want them to happen, like you moving your hands on the keyboard to type - that is Ego-consciousness.
And you have things that just happen on their own - you can be aware of this(after the fact, usually), but you do not control this purely by awareness alone - that is subconscious or unconscious.
The goal is to create a way to mediate between these two things, because "too much consciousness" creates a strong unconscious counteraction, and falling victim of the unconscious would override your will.

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>>84744823
What could possibly go wrong.
We are all typing this girl as INFJ or IN(F), right?

>>84745072
Anna is an extrovert

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>>84745084
That's one hot take.

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>Nobody can realize an archetype without having been identified with it first. If you even touch the animus or anima, the most vulgar archetypes of all, you are they, and you cannot realize them without having been thoroughly caught by them. No woman will realize what the animus is without having been identical with him, and no man will realize what the anima is without having been filled by the anima.
My man has no idea what he's saying here.
Yeah you really don't want to suggest that in [current year] Jvng.

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>>84737622
It's up to you. I have a team ready for the first gym. I'll start toward the 2nd now anyway either way.

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>>84743624
https://voca.ro/1vqR1qjN4L6q

Who is Roger and why do I want to beat him up?

>>84745067
>I would say that as long we are limited to observation and awareness, you didn't differentiate yet.
That depends entirely on the context and perspective you use to analyze the word "differentiate". Because it's not a binary term that refers to a yes/no state.
Differentiation is both the end and the process. So with that in mind, observation and awareness are differentiation. But that is not the end of the process, you have not completed act of differentiation. There is still more to be done.

I understand what you're saying, and how it is both true and not true. Because you're leaving out key information. This is why Jung has multiple terms to refer to the process of individuation, which is, in reality, just the gradual progression of differentiation.

Now, what I *THINK* you're trying to say is that awareness is not integration.
>Kinda like the difference between observing a bottle of water, and drinking from it.
But, observing the bottle of water is differentiating it. It stands out from the rest of the environment and a separate distinct object. Yes, the water has not been integrated through drinking.
>A "content"
Yes, that's what I'm referring to. The point of differentiating the unconscious (content) is not to bring them under your conscious control.
>Let me explain in very simple words:
You're doing something which is extremely important. You're redefining "differentiation" in a way that effectively means "bringing psychic contents under ego control." That's not how Jung uses the term.

The point of differentiation is not control, it's not to subordinate the unconscious to the conscious will. The point is RELATION. Understanding the desires of the unconscious, where it's coming from, emotionally speaking. The point is to treat your unconscious like a PERSON, BECAUSE IT IS. And give it the respect it deserves to not try and treat it like a child who needs to be policed.

>>84745721
I don't think you are understanding what I mean by "differentiation in consciousness" at all.
It is not the same thing of "differentiation of the Self"(or individuation, in other words).

>The point of differentiating the unconscious (content) is not to bring them under your conscious control.
As far differentiating something in consciousness goes, that is the point.
What you are trying to say is that we aren't done here.

>But, observing the bottle of water is differentiating it. It stands out from the rest of the environment and a separate distinct object. Yes, the water has not been integrated through drinking.
The act of recognition is surely something that might lead to what I call differentiation here, but we aren't done yet until the bottle is something that I use rather than just observe in isolation.

>The point is RELATION.
Holy Feeling type.........
Now I'm not saying that doesn't happen, but it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about here:.

There's a spontaneous happening.
There's awareness of the happening.
There's recognition of the happening.
There's differentiation in consciousness, now I can replicate that happening intentionally, or prevent it from just happening on its own.

And there's relation, which is parallel to this entire thing since I can identify with the unconscious happening as is if I wanted to, or I could identify only with the products of Ego consciousness, or a mixture of these things.

>The point is to treat your unconscious like a PERSON, BECAUSE IT IS. And give it the respect it deserves to not try and treat it like a child who needs to be policed.
But the whole point is that the unconscious isn't another person. It's part of my own Self. Possibly still unintegrated, but still.

For somebody who supposedly read Psychological Types specifically, I don't know how you missed this. The concept of differentiating in consciousness is tied to the functions after all.

>>84745489
Awwlright. I gotta go bed boes now tho. I should be able to play tomorrow.

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>>84745652
Fucking witness protection always acting like they're the good guys.
>"Trust us, we're the GOOD guys! TAKE THIS PILL!!"
But why is this pill black and have an ominous black smoke seeping from it??
>"DON'T ASK QUESTIONS!"
Untrustworthy, if you ask mwah. Probably even worse than the devil. At least he doesn't pretend to be a good guy.

But, anyway. There's still plenty of time in the play, there's no need to rush into a decision. We're not even half way through the first act yet. ANTHONY hasn't even made his appearance yet!
And what's a play without Anthony?! Just a bunch of people running around flailing their arms like chickens with their heads taped between their legs acting like they know what's going on-
AND THEY DON'T!
>*subtly glances at the audience*
That's probably for the better though, it wouldn't make much sense if the characters knew what was going to happen. Then they would just change what they were doing to avoid the dire circumstances that propel the narrative forward.
That would be like watching snow dry, except in a snowstorm. Doesn't make for very good storytelling.

.... Wait a second. That wasn't in the script.

>>84745692
It's nice to know she has friends.

>>84746098
That's fine. I just cleared the second gym. For the sake of sportsmanship i'll tell you that i also chose torchic as my starter.

>>84746142
RUN THE JEWELS TEENIS RUN EM

GABAGOOL

>>84746297
Kyewl. Alright, so I should be ready with my gen 3 singles team from around 7-8pm my time or around 19 hours from now. I might try making them with the modern rules as well to see how different it would be if I get very bored but it seems a bit overwhelming. Alright, duel ya tomorrow.

>>84746063
>I don't think you are understanding what I mean by "differentiation in consciousness" at all.
You're right, I don't. Because one moment you'll say one thing, then in the next you'll completely contradict it.
Like, these two bits here seem to imply that awareness of the water bottle is in fact, differentiation of consciousness. Which is exactly what I've been saying. One does not need to drink from the water bottle, which is to say, integrate the unconscious material in order for the differentiation to occur. It happens at a lower resolution first, one on a more localized scale that doesn't take into the account the whole picture of the self.
>The act of recognition
*IS* differentiation. Incomplete differentiation? Sure. But differentiation nonetheless.
>lead to what I call differentiation here
This is what I take issue with. What you call differentiation seems to diverge quite seriously from the Jungian definition. Especially when I look at:
>now I can replicate that happening intentionally, or prevent it from just happening on its own.
This is not differentiation... It's control.
Differentiation is the process by which a psychic content becomes consciously distinguishable from the rest of the psyche. Whether I can reproduce it, suppress it, direct it, or otherwise influence it is an entirely separate question.
You're treating conscious control as the marker of differentiation, but that's precisely what I'm disputing as NOT differentiation.

A content can be differentiated without being subordinated to the ego. In fact, one of the most important realizations that comes from differentiation is that there are autonomous aspects of the psyche that do not simply obey conscious intention or will. The goal is not to make the unconscious bend to the ego's will. The goal is to establish a conscious relationship with it.
>But the whole point is that the unconscious isn't another person.
Yes, it's not another person. But it's still a person, (you).

>>84746313
BIBBITY BOBBITY
I'MA SNIFF YOUR SOCKITY
>*sniff sniff*
MSLELS LIKE ERF!

i kind of liked curefag. sad he turned out to be a nazi

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0fmOImi6gY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8MnyDy8SDk

https://voca.ro/18NoHW14UgQB

Page gnine is scary

I don't want to be friends with you I want to FIGGHT WITH YOU

I WANT TO BATTLE FOR ETERNITY WITB YOU AND ONLY YOU

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That sounds hella gay.
Big hella gayness.
you wouldn't be GAY, would YOU?

>>84732768
>Your mbti
INTP-T
>Do you consider yourself a supporter of feminism?
I'm one of those lefties that grew up with a ton of feminist/equality influences and beliefs baked into my brain from a young age, and for most of my life I believed them; but now that I'm in my 30s and still KHHV, I've realized all the negative stereotypes of women are in fact true, and they do indeed only find tall, dominant assholes attractive, not men that believe in "equality"; so now I fully and completely hate women.
>What's something you've done lately to smash the patriarchy?
Nothing. If aliens showed up tomorrow and started abducting women for meat, I'd pitch an umbrella and a lawn chair and watch.
>Do you think women could be capable of becoming real human beings one day? What would it take?
Some kind of cataclysmic event (virus/etc.) that kills all the men, forcing women to develop all the skills men currently hold dominion over. That's basically it: so long as men exist, women will fuck the biggest/most dominant ones, thereby insuring their own subjugation and that they breed future males that carry those same woman-dominating genes. Women keep themselves oppressed with their tastes in men, and nothing short of men disappearing entirely will free them from that weakness.

y tred ded?
who kill

sunomw plz play stadew wif me

Why are you playing stardew like it's 2016?