there is no paradox, the evidence for alien presence on earth is overwhelming at this point. the correct interpretation is the zoo hypothesis, they are here but treat us like retarded animals we are and watch us from a distance. humans will definitely implode, but its pretty easy to imagine an alien civilization that has only white aliens and no jewish, black or indian aliens dragging them down and thus able to achieve great things.

no paradox, only unfounded optimism and overgeneralization

>>16898003
>the evidence for alien presence on earth is overwhelming at this point
No it isn't? Have you seen an alien?
>zoo hypothesis
That doesn't make sense. The galaxy should have been completely colonized even before humans existed. So we humans would never have had the chance to exist in the first place, since aliens would have colonized the Earth first.
>an alien civilization that has only white aliens
Fertility is irreversibly low even in places without racial tensions. We're just like that Universe 25 rat utopia that scientists are very quick to deboonk

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>You‘re really not that interesting
ayy...

OP is a plagerist and should be range banned from /sci/ for wasting our time on low effort idea theft.
>>16897999
Economist and philosopher Dr. Robin Hanson first proposed the "Great Filter" hypothesis in his 1996 essay, "The Great Filter - Are We Almost Past It?", which was later published in 1998. It is a proposed solution to the Fermi Paradox, arguing that a highly improbable, difficult developmental step (a "filter") prevents most life from advancing to a space-faring stage

>>16898012
Faulty logic, we don't wipe out uncontacted tribes, we preserve them as valuable data points and study subjects. Any alien intelligence would be very interested in how primitive species evolve to better understand their own evolution. Furthermore the Milky Way is so vast and The Sol System(Earth) is in the most far flung corner of the distant arm of middle of no where. We are literally in the last place they would look. Until we start broadcasting and tell on ourselves no reason to assume they would be aware of some stone age monkeys throwing pointy sticks at hairy elephants. We wouldn't be viable until the industrial revolution give or take a century.

Even Star Trek talks about this. Vulcans were spying on Earth for a very long time and under the prime directive Star Fleet secretly studies many primitive cultures with undercover aliens. Predictive programming is a real thing anons. Trek warned us and these "interstellar objects" suddenly visiting our solar system acting hella sus is another clue towards zoo hypothesis.

>>16898135
Oh yay story time.
Now tell the one about how the aliens want to understand their evolution but not run experiments. But also, also that they must wait for intervention only after nuclear weapons because they need their petri dish to survive, but then that the only ones they will talk to are pedophiles in the top echelon of the intelligence communities and also why they flew drones with FAA compliant lights over Jersey

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>>16898138
Take you meds homo

>>16898135
Yeah I know about the Great Filter nigga. I was implicitly talking about it. Many different people have made proposals for what the Great Filter is, and I was just semi-humorously making one there too.
>we don't wipe out uncontacted tribes
The Earth has been around for billions of years before there were humans around, and aliens should have been around for billions of years too. So, why haven't aliens colonized the Earth before uncontacted tribes even existed? If they did, which they should have, then we humans wouldn't even have had the chance to evolve in the first place. That's what I was saying.
>We are literally in the last place they would look.
They should have colonized the whole galaxy before humans even existed. Why haven't they?

The odds of intelligent life developing more than once per galaxy are approximately zero.
There may be life on other planets in this galaxy but nothing but bacteria.
Ive considered relativistic spaceships, but due to the interstellar medium it is impossible for biological life to build relativistic spaceships because the closer your ship approaches c, even significant fractions of c, the drag of the interstellar medium will tear the ship to smithereens. Even to reach the nearest star system will take hundreds of years to reach and theres no way to sneak into a star system at relativistic speeds without massive energy signatures.
Given known physics limits it may be theoretically possible to build microsingularity powered ships but I still dont think you can hit significant fractions of c via any means without your ship being torn apart.
Thus ETs cannot contact each other via spaceships.
The distances between stars are unfathomably vast.
FTL violates causality and is science fiction.

UFOs are:
1. Gov black projects
2. Atmospheric plasma phenomenon, foo fighters etc are ball lightning.
Ive seen ball lightning before a large snowstorm. Theyre not ETs from other planets.

>>16898150
I will briefly answer some of your questions with sparse details. I'd urge you to deep dive Isaac Arthur on YT to better answer as it literally takes hours and he's already done a good job.

But needless to say various logical barriers stop the entire Milky Way from being populated like you propose. First and simplest the speed of light seems to indeed be the hard limit for all travel of both people and data....which people are just data. But i digress

Second the number of stars, aka solar systems like ours, divided by the total number of years since the Milky Way was formed is:
Based on current astronomical estimates of 100 to 400 billion stars
and an age of roughly 13.5 billion years, there are approximately 7.4 to 29.6 stars per year of the Milky Way’s existence. This average is calculated by dividing total stars by the galaxy's age in years, with most estimates leaning toward the lower range, averaging around 100-200 billion stars

So assuming intelligence formed day 1 hour 1 along with the Milky Way they would still need to search and catalog at least 10 star systems per year to map them all, and that's not colonization, just explore. Obviously that's impossible and billions of years pass before at best any intelligence pops up and then they still have to go at the speed of light to visit and colonize. No time

Many many many many reasons, besides The Great Filter, that account for the lack of massive galaxy wide expansion like you assert should happen here and other places. Once again Sol System is in a far flung spiral arm in the middle of who gives a fuck. No reason to come out here. The galactic center is where resources are rich and if you were playing the odds you'd look and populate. Even say building a central empire around the galactic core so that all stellar roads lead back to you.


https://www.youtube.com/@isaacarthurSFIA

>>16897999
It takes approximately 100,000 years for a radar signal (or any radio/light signal) to travel from one side of the Milky Way to the other.
People in the galaxy probably didn't make them. It does seem silly once you know.

>>16897999
There's no paradox, it's just that interstellar distances are too vast.
>inb4 people told columbus the ocean was too vast, hurrrr
not the same thing at all. the ocean still has resources, and the voyage might take a few months. but an interstellar voyage would take a hundred generations, and that is assuming the myriad other problems with interstellar travel are magically solved.

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A species either unites together to solve time travel...earn an "after" life
...Or it runs out of time...
...Tick tock ape meat sock...

The Great Filter is one possible resolution of the Fermi paradox. It posits that in the development of life from the earliest stages of abiogenesis to reaching the highest levels of development on the Kardashev scale, there exists some particular barrier to development that makes detectable extraterrestrial life exceedingly rare.

I posit that the great filter is the very things that make us human, allowed us to survive, and evolve to where we are today. The first of these detrimental attributes is superstition.

Superstition is the irrational beliefs at odds with scientific knowledge of the world. The belief that coincidental events or objects are directly related. If it were a mathematical equation, it would be 2+rock=banana.

Superstition is the mother of conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theory is the belief that nefarious “others” are secretly in control causing something bad for reasons that make sense only to the person/persons that believe it. Evidence for conspiracy is often convoluted and requires serious mental gymnastics to understand or believe. Those who believe in conspiracy cannot be dissuaded because they are certain that they hold knowledge that others do not have. These people are ”true believers”. True believers are people who continued to believe in a paranormal event or phenomenon/conspiracy even after it had been proven to have been staged, false, or debunked. Conspiracy and superstition are coping mechanisms when the believers need comfort or an explanation on why things happen. The human mind does not like to think/believe that bad evil or unexpected things just happen.

You cannot prove a true believer/conspiracy theorist wrong. They have to come to the conclusion they are wrong by themselves.

All throughout history every time something has happened and someone in authority, control, or even those who are educated have found a solution and tried to implement it superstitious/conspiracists come out of the wood work and fight tooth and nail against whatever it is. Some examples:
First small pox vaccine
Fluoridated water
Iodine in salt

The actual list of conspiracies is beyond the scope of this article. Conspiracy and superstition engender mistrust and hate against things that are helpful and vital to our survival: medicine, and science are the 2 most common.

Superstition helped us survive because a key use for it is the ability to put different things together to help us predict an event. Example: when the leaves start turning colors, and animals start moving away, and the temperature gets colder=winter is coming. Time to either move with them or make sure we have a good stock of food. A bad example is some one touches a tree then later comes down with a sickness and dies=the tree is evil.

The next is our ability to communicate. Humans are atrociously bad at communications. We can’t even communicate with any other creature on this planet and we think that we could communicate with aliens. We can barely communicate with ourselves and our multiple languages only make things worse. Countless times I have tried to communicate my thoughts to others and they completely misunderstood what I was saying. Sometime I have no idea how they got what they did from what I said. Same goes the other way. I thought I clearly understood someone and did not.

Communication is key because without it we cannot coordinate activities, transmit knowledge and keep the peace.

Mental illness is anything that causes a person to act or react in a way that is not conducive to the survival of a species.
sexual deviancy can result in failure of a species.
Psychopathy lack of empathy results in dictators and wars.

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Transgenderism can result in species failure.
Many mental disorders just do not exist in non-sentient creatures because they result in the species going extinct or the individual dying before it can pass on its damaged genes.

Selfishness is something that every creature on this planet has because those who are not looking out for themselves will not survive. There is no purely altruistic creature on earth, and if there ever was it died out very quickly. Yet in order for us to go to the stars we would have to cooperate, and sacrifice our personal goals and selfish wants or needs for the greater good. I just do not see that happening. There is always someone who will undue any attempt at universal cooperation purely out of their own greed and selfishness. Selfishness is the single major reason why we will not make it much further than our own solar system. We can barely stand to get along in dire emergencies and survival situations much less in the decades, or centuries it would take to get to another solar system.
This last one is the most difficult to process and understand. In order to make it to another solar system and eventually the stars we cannot save every person who is born. No one wants to be the genetic reject but until we control mutations and errors in our genetics, we will not be fit enough to make it out there. Interstellar space is inhospitable to life as we know it and we cannot make it to the stars in spaceships filled with those not completely up to the task.

TLDR:
The only way we can become a space faring race is to genetically engineer ourselves to be smart, fit, completely cooperative, and with no personal drive to be better than those around us. We would have to be like bees or ants with a desire to do anything and everything to do what is need for the whole species to survive. Star Trek has it correct. We need to be a pseudo militaristic society of socialists. So… that will never happen.

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The pendulum theory isn't just for politics. It is in the new generation's nature to rebel against everything the previous generation stood for. Destructive values lead to utopistic values which lead to destructive values, but never the same, always a slightly different more comprehensive version.
Eventually, by constant evolution of the idea of good, a perfect utopia is reached.
Then the next generation will feel the unstoppable need to rebel against good and life itself, creating perfect evil, and everything is destroyed. That species is taken out of the board before it can achieve space travel.

>that's the most retarded shit I ever read
Give it a few years.

The fermi paradox is retarded. How would we detect the communications of aliens made up of dark matter, for instance? It presumes that we're sitting out here alone, but the fact of the matter is the aliums might be right next to us the whole time.

>>16900918
the pendulum has been stuck on authoritarianism for at least 200 years

>>16898391
>The odds of intelligent life developing more than once per galaxy are approximately zero.
nah, one is too close to zero to make sense, it's probably more like "in a galaxy the size and composition of the Milky Way intelligent life will arise approximately once every half billion years" or something like that (change it to two billion if you want)

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And we all know the reason

>>16897999
There is no paradox.

Non-human technology is currently being developed/reverse-engineered in secret by the US government.

The witness testimony in front of Congress, alongside increasing Congressional interest, show that something is happening here. IMO, it's time to shake the proverbial UFO tech tree to see what falls out and revitalize the economy/win wars.

>>16897999
that's one possibility. and if we don't destroy our selves, we might find ancient ruins of alien civilizations out there

>>16897999
Dumb frog poster

>>16897999
Maybe by the time a civilization advances enough to colonize the stars, heir society has such a profound ecological understanding that they no longer desire to.

>>16903722
Can people stop using the frog? What’s even the appeal?

if you assume that every visible star is colonized and turned into an efficient energy extractor by storing something it generates eg. gravity then it solves the fermi paradox and the dark energy / matter paradox at once. the missing mass and energy we infer but do not observe is the alien activity and signature. not only are aliens omnipresent across the galaxy and universe, they are also travelling through time by bending gravity. so they have time empires that are likely engaged in some market competition - maybe first come first serve with different species specializing in technology exchange, dna harvesting, ecological balance as a religion they proselytize, imperial roleplaying as demi-gods, covert guided selection of inferior species. viewed through that lens the various races of mankind and their civilizations were just pawns in some arbitrage game between different aliens, and our increasing awareness of this means there are new players entering or the game is drawing to a close. we do this to animals and undeveloped humans all the time, manipulating them, gathering their resources, doing technological exchange with their corrupt leaders, and some ideological humans even try to liberate their vassal subjects and bring about real change. what humans do is probably generic intelligent behavior, which generalizes across time and space for all living creatures sufficiently capable of escaping their genetic and gravitational well.

>>16897999
Alpha Centauri has fallen.
Quintillions must die.

>>16906355
I will be so disappointed if the Artemis missions don’t go back to the moon.

>>16897999
I can see it. There's precedent just on Earth. I mean, look at what Islam has done to the ME and communism wherever it's been used as justification for brutality in the name of the "common good".

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>>16906330
relatability

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>>16906425
Wrong pic sorry

>>16906423
I don’t really think Islam is completely at fault, though.
Communism wasn’t going to be saved if Islam didn’t exist.
The Middle East was already doomed by colonialism. The Middle East would circle around something besides religion, like nationalism or culture, plus Lebanon is half Christian and it’s not any better.

The most probable explanation for our existence (and likewise for all life on earth) is this planet was terraformed and seeded by something not bound to earth.
>inb4 life sprang up from nothing aka abiogenesis.
Via an impossible chemical pathway? In an environment with no other life yet exists? No, this is the same logical error as "spontaneous generation".
Some thing absolutely "put" us here.

>>16898150
Maybe we are the first?
I mean think about it - if there are millions, billions - trillions - of sentient civilizations in the universe, one of them has to be 'first' to learn electromagnetism and spaceflight.

>>16897999
>My explanation for the Fermi paradox
Why are you offering an explanation for a nonexistent paradox? The supposed "Fermi paradox" only results from assuming certain arbitrary values for the Drake equation which we have no knowledge of.

>>16898012
>The galaxy should have been completely colonized even before humans existed
Why? That makes no sense.

>since aliens would have colonized the Earth first.
Why, retard? There's other planets, and plenty of space to go around. There is no reason why any civilization must arbitrarily expand itself indefinitely.

>>16897999
so every alien civilization also has niggers and jews?

This may sound a little off but I strongly believe eternal conscious torture fits into the picture. If a civilization reaches certain technological milestones, it should be trivial to create hell scenarios for one or many beings. At this point it would be a sort of arms race to prevent your civilization from falling into another civilization's hell. All it would really require is one "off" technologically capable actor to bring about the worst universal fate imaginable.

Long story short, this could necessitate a (usually ridiculed) Dark Forest response, or even more grim, strategic civilizational suicide designed to avoid the worst.

>>16906448
>he doesn't know this whole universe is the 'hell' that was created by beings beyond our comprehension, for reasons humanity can never possibly fathom