>>16900965
>Pythagoras was right
angled
xD

>>16900968
Shut the fuck up Hippasus. You're a heretic! You have modern mathematicians literally smoking crack here going
>Did you know you can have more of... NOTHING!? Look at my DOUBLE NOTHING BURGER! I call it.... """"""""""-1""""""""""""

Wasn’t Pythagoras deathly afraid of beans and farts?

>>16900986
Yes he thought beans contained the reincarnated souls of dead people. Eating them was basically murdering a human.

>>16900965
"Nothing" is bullshit. How could nothingness be a word? You violate the entire concept of somethingness. Nothing =/=Something.

>>16900965
>How could nothingness be a number?
By quantifying the additive identity.

>Let's say...
Let's say you are retarded since the Pythagorean Theorem, diagonal lines, and triangles wouldn't even be possible without the square root function and the square root function inevitably leads to irrational numbers and incommensurable lengths.

>How the FUCK do you irrational numbers make physical sense!?
How the FUCK have you never seen a diagonal line?

>>16900965
If modern mathematics is bullshit then why are our theories of physics broadly correct?

>>16901077
>theories of physics broadly correct
>99.5% of physical reality is heretofore unexplainable dark matter and energy according to the theories

>>16901078
How about all the things the theories DO correctly predict, though?

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>>16900986
A lot of things have been said about him, most of them false. Part of the problem is that he was against writing, in ancient Greece people were considered smart if they had a good memory so he taught orally and people were not allowed to write it down.

>>16901074
Yep, paradoxically irrational numbers are the easiest numbers to construct. Pi is a circle and the square root of 2 is the diagonal of a square.

Every carpenter has used those numbers without writing them down.

Oh and sharpening a tool means you are trying to get the radius of it's edge as close to zero as you can. A material object cannot have a dimension of zero of course but you can get close, which is what a sharp tool is.

>>16900965
the absolute state of brainlets

>>16901083
> Every carpenter has used those numbers without writing them down.
No they've used approximations. It's physically impossible to find irrational numbers in nature.

>diagonal lines, and triangles wouldn't even be possible without the square root function and the square root function inevitably leads to irrational numbers and incommensurable lengths.
Except "irrational numbers" aren't numbers. Pythagoras didn't consider them as such. Nobody denies the concept. They just denied they are numbers at all. I am a faithful disciple of Pythagoras and follow him on this.

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>>16901083
>in ancient Greece people were considered smart if they had a good memory so he taught orally and people were not allowed to write it down
Socrates thought writing made you more forgetful lol. It reminds me of the car panic when they first got invented. “It will ruin everything!”.

>>16901132
A lot of teachers still to this day won't let their students use calculators on tests due to similar reasoning.

>>16901005
>beans contained the reincarnated souls of dead people
Did he have a single fact to back that up?

>>16901150
Yes. Your mom
xD

>>16901132
This is actually true I think. I saw a study somewhere that showed oral cultures have better memories.

>>16901545
I can see it being true to some degree, so it’s more of a trade off situation.

>>16901083
It’s funnier to assume he was afraid of beans. So I’ll assume that.

>>16901617
Well the reason why people nowadays are so bad at remembering cell phone numbers is because we all have smart phones now. Same principles apply ig.

>>16901081
by what standards? if you push them, you will find they all fail

>>16901143
>>16901132
That's obviously true though. With calculators and writing you can even know this from your own experience, whether or not you decide to train your mind or rely on external tools. A lot of people are bad at arithmetic because they have a calculator in their pocket.

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>>16900965
Let me be perfectly fucking clear.

Despite Pythagoras being fucking autistic about numbers, it is fucking USEFUL to have numbers that aren't "real" and don't "make sense" (i.e., are "irrational"), because they make it possible to do calculations that in turn make it easier to describe and model physical processes, which in turn makes it possible for shit like super complex robotic factories to exist that mass produce huge black silicon dildos I can use to fuck myself in the ass with all day like the shameless disgusting faggot I am.

Pythagoras can suck my fucking dick and balls. and you can too bitch. Check fucking mate your stupid thread, I win. Don't even reply to me loser. Jesus christ I feel like, second-hand embarassed for you right now.

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>>16901005
How interesting.

>>16900965
A great place like this would be able to observe near zero or near infinite, never absolute.

>>16902293
Shut the fuck up faggot irrational "numbers" have no use whatsoever and literally any irrational "number" can be approximated as a rational number and work just fine in whatever calculation you need to do. Mathematics is supossed to be a tool in describing nature, faggot, and irrationals DONT FUCKING DO THAT. Give me sqrt(2) apples please. Come on do it. Where's your sqrt(2) apples? Yeah faggot, that's what I thought. Look, I don't deny irrationals as a concept, but I do NOT consider them numbers and therefore attempting to describe or use them isn't mathematics. They make no sense as numbers and trying to say they are numbers would be like trying to say infinity is a number. No. It is not. The great and holy Pythagoras was correct. The first mathematician and the greatest mathematician.

>>16900965
>0 is bullshit. How could nothingness be a number? You violate the entire concept of nothingness. Nothing =/=Something.
as a /g/entoomen 0 and null/nil are different concepts to me

>>16902294
He's causing a stink.

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>>16902464
o/g/ niggas be vibe-coding all day
finna numbers hit hella diff cuh

>>16903013
>vibe-coding
i'm retarded, not delusional

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>>16902414
Fuck you and your fucking apples and bullshit primitive math.

You want square roots? Take the square root of my fucking nut down your throat, bitch. I suppose since you're so fucking washed looking at irrational numbers you'd probably be so fucking tilted looking at "complex" numbers the entire goddamn planet's axis might shift under your feet if that happened. God please, just stay in your stupid fucking safe space and never look up complex numbers, wouldn't want your brittle fucking mind to completely rupture and have you start measuring fucking dorritos because they're triangles and thowing them at people who can't resolve the fucking paradox for you.

>>16903018
I accept your concession that modern mathematics is pseud quackery. Thank you for admitting that sqrt(2) apples is impossible because sqrt(2) has no real world applications whatsoever and is therefore NOT A FUCKING NUMBER. Modern mathematics is a bastardization of what Pythagoras was doing and has taken the simplicity, beauty, harmony, and utility out of mathematics and traded it for pseudo garbage so that elitists sitting comfy in their ivory towers can mentally goon all day long. Modern mathematics isn't concerned with discovering the secrets of nature, it's entirely disconnected from the original project and none of its concepts make actual sense. Fuck you and your square roots.

>>16901132
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>>16902258
The issue isn’t recording information down (let’s not pretend that even those who pass on knowledge orally won’t need to fall back on writing if all else fails). The issue is not reading or absorbing the right information bases. Taking up space.

This is why the modern world sucks. We aren’t educating or familiarizing ourselves with information bases that matter. That are WORTH remembering, memorizing.

We also don’t beat into our heads enough all the things worth remembering. It’s too easy to forget basic things that matter. It’s not hard to understand, it’s easy to miss, or forget.

There’s too much information now. Some forms of media and entertainment do in fact make you a lot dumber.

>>16900965
What is annoying is that changing bases doesn't fix irrational numbers. Base 12 and base 60 have interesting features and allow some calculation shortcuts, but irrationals are still irrational.

Love me beans simple as

>>16900965
>>16903080
The greek math doesn't use a base system. It's represented geometrically, even the number theory of euclid and his treatment of irrationals

>>16901078
No causal mechanics for gravity knocks on your door

He started a cult.

>>16900965
Draw an heptagon with just a single compass and something straight but non-metric just to be able to connect the lines in the end.
Check mate pitagoras.

>>16905743
Cult had a way different meaning in the past, so that might be an informal fallacy.

>>16906322
It was 100% a cult.

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>>16900965
Based

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>>16903080
But are some approximations of irrationals more commensurate to base 60 to base 10?

Some say their sqrt 2 approximation on their tablet was simoly the limit of what they could compute by hand, this is fasle as seen on how large they mase their pythagorean triples table. No, whenscrutinizing this number we find they gabe their sqrt(2) repeating decimals, which looks alot less irrational than the thing

Reals miss the concepts of harmony and resonance, and dont appreciate how numbers fit *exactly* together . Precision at iteration is musically 12 TeT which sqrts to approx rationals, but in the process destroys the harmonic overtones

>>16906733
How do prime numbers work here?
There is the "science" belief that prime numbers and the stuff around them is universal so aliens would understand them exactly like we do.

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>>16906959
my researches around primes here are mostly centered on expandong on the pythagorean method of tuning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning

where we consider commensurate ratios to be perfectly proportioned muscial intervales 3:2 is the perfect 5 3/2 , not (2)^(7/12) .

i like the expansion of the 11 odd limit due to the mathematical coincidence it possess with the great pyramid. it plays on the prime numbers less than and equal to 11, utilizes base 28 and wraps around together rather harmonies to have 28 tonalies, one for each interval on their cubit .

when considering the utonalities and ontonalies to max meyer and harry partch on begins to see the beginnings of stability modes of a 3d cymatic through balancing of harmonic overtones through the pitch classes

I think in the end it tells the story of implosion, and its relationship to to the fine structure constant

>>16906983
Charge results from loop failure on the electron, so it's like an open geometric surface? So flux is not null create the imbalance.

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>>16906995
indeed such a theory is expoused by https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Larry-Reed whilst i was looking for geometric intepretations of the fine structure constant. its insane how 137.5 sarcophophi fit inside the kings chamber

noting that 137 is a prime itself

>>16906996
Does 0 exist?

>>16907082
Zero is every superposition of a number and it's symmetric.

>>16907098
Does 0 exist?
>Yes
Then nothingness exists. Therefore nothing=something. Contradiction.
>No
Then it's not a number. Numbers (arithmoi) are entities that perfectly describe the physical world precisely because the world is the physical instantiation of number. What cannot be measured cannot be number, thus 0 is not number, irrationals are not numbers, negatives are not numbers, infinity is not number.
>So what is 0?
Your guess is as good as mine but what I can tell you is that it is not a number as much as infinity is not a number. At the very least it does not belong to the subject of arithmetic nor geometry. Modern mathematics is pseudo-garbage developed from set theoretic quackery. Sets are gay and retarded.

>>16901621
Given that the entire religious/philosophical movement named after him and following his teachings shunned beans to such a degree that even writers in antiquity went "wtf?" it's probably safe to assume that if he wasn't afraid of them he hated them all the same
That's not modern slander. That was accepted by people who revered him even back then

>>16907155
Nobody disputes that he was afraid of beans the dispute is why. Nobody is sure why he disliked beans so much and there are different reasons for it given by different writers in antiquity.

>>16901132
It all boils down to a simple - If you write my words, you might call me on it. Hence you won't write, and I'm free to change my mind while still remaining The Always Right teacher.

>>16900965
Nigger do you eat beans? Pythagoreanism is insane.

>>16900965
there is a big difference between
>pythagoras is correct i dont want to eat beans
vs
>pythagoras is correct squares cant' be odds