>>97432918
>many moved on
So why haven't you?

>>97432938

already did mate, just posting for those interested or waiting for fantasy as a heads up. Bought a 3d printer too and gave GW the middle finger

>>97432918
>my friends dad works at gwtendo and he affirmed my opinions were heckin valid and wholesome chungus!
Ok.

>posting from 2015
Bro remember to invest in zoom and nvidia
Also don't travel to china in 2019 don't ask

slow day?

>>97432918
Slop Enjoyers will be mad at this, but you are basically correct.

>I know a guy who X
Is always a ropey statement to make though; you couldn't prove such a thing without doxing him, and yourself, and the retards know it, and half hope you will.

And if you did, they'd do their damndest to get your boy drummed out, because they are shit-sucking retards who live to consoom corporate bin-juice, and pointing out that the people making it clearly don't even like it any more triggers an existential crisis in them.

They will say things like
>GW posted record profits this year CHUD
And I can only respond with
>So did Star Wars shortly before falling off a cliff

GW is being asset stripped anyway.
That's the Blackrock business model.
They hollow it out for ease of consumption by the mass market, and by the time they realize the thing is full of empty promises, they've already made back their investment, and reinvested their gains into an NGO promoting lesbian poetry in Uganda.

>>97432918
>hence the constant retcons
Aos doesn't really so retcons secondary-kun, they just write shit in/out of the 'story'. Which is kind of lame because the whole "[faction] has been hiding this whole time but [current plot] has spurred them into action!" gets a bit boring after 15 times y'know. Same goes for the reverse.
But yeah tldr you don't know what you're talking about
>>97432980
Two more weeks

>>97433001
>Two more weeks
'Til what?

I wasn't waiting for anything.
Are you living with vaccine induced brain damage?

How many "boosters" did you take anon?

>>97432918
Never forget
Never forgive

>>97432997
No need to expose yourself like that man.
Everybody knows what an AOS player looks like.
We all have to get round you in the LGS.

Sorry but Age of Sigmar is the world's greatest fantasy miniature game

>>97433313
>recycled lore
>recycled characters
>Vague "setting" nobody cares about
>"Copyrightable" names that are just awkward mutations on more pleasing common nouns

>OGOR
The fuck is an OGOR, and how is it meaningfully (as opposed to legally) distinct from an "Ogre"?

>ORRUK
I am sensing a pattern.

It is almost like this whole thing was hacked together by people who don't give a fuck, and know that cock-sucking retards like yourself have no notion of quality.

>>97433373
>It is almost like this whole thing was hacked together by people who don't give a fuck, and know that cock-sucking retards like yourself have no notion of quality.
I mean to be fair it's still a warhammer game, all that comes with the territory

>>97433373
And? Still the World's greatest fantasy miniature game

>>97432997

aos player detected

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fuck shitmar lore and fuck GW for shitting the franchise

>>97433398
There's a difference between pastiche, and drawing from a broad swath of pop culture, myth and history, and just taking a previous setting that had all that work done PROPERLY and rendering it down to mulch.

>>97433473
I'd rather play Mordheim, Oathmark, or fucking Quar.
Just because you prefer to eat shit, doesn't make shit better.
It just makes you a shit-eater.

>>97432918
Both Warhammer Fantasy and AOS are mediocre settings.

>>97433313
They should be sued for false advertising, tbqh

>>97433534
>a previous setting that had all that work done PROPERLY
Please tell me you aren't talking about warhammer fantasy? Warhammerpiggies lel

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>>97433716
Yes, shit for brains, I AM.
What, you think doing a smuggie is going to deter me from calling you a faggot with shit for brains?

Go hunt for used condoms so you can suck out the jissom.
That's what AOS is.

Common fantasy is derivative.
AOS is a derivative of a derivative, so lazy that it could only have been the product of nobody actually giving a single fuck about it at any point during the creative process.

>Couldn't even be bothered to write original characters
>Couldn't be bothered to invent better names for their "Brand name" versions of common intellectual properties
>Didn't even have points costs on launch

You are an eater of shit.
You expect me to consider your opinion on what constitutes quality fantasy?

Yeah, GW ripped off Michael Moorcock, and Tolkien, and the whole swathe of history and mythology.
Because that's GOOD SHIT.

AOS couldn't even be bothered to go back to the source; they just copied a copy and called it a day.

And ironically, here you are trying to defend AOS by dunking on the thing it is a pale derivative of?

Fuck off, retard.

>>97432938
/Thread

>>97433835
We're just looking back to spit on you at this point.
A decade later and your game is still a vague piece of shit nobody cares about.

>>97433846
I don't play AoS. But you creatures need to get over it. God damn is it pathetic. Imagine still supporting a company (if you play any of their games, any of their third party licensed stuff, engage with any content related to it, YOU SUPPORT THE COMPANY) that did that to you.
Hundreds of other games out there and you still support GWslop

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Can’t imagine making gw or warhammer your personality. So glad I have a turnip28 club to confide in.

>>97433792
>And ironically, here you are trying to defend AOS by dunking on the thing it is a pale derivative of?
No you absolute brainlet, I don't play either game, I'm just telling you your precious warhammer fantasy is no different and never has been. It was always slop for manchildren. It was always an incongruent mishmash of better ideas. It was always a painful experience to read the game's "lore".
You're laughing at age of sigmar players for eating dogshit with a grin covered in catshit. It's time to grow up and start reading about real history insteading of scanning a wiki page on how Grimgut Dreadaxe defeated Snorgrim Maneater in a totally epic and heroic duel.
Wait, I think total war just released their newest dlc! Scratch that, time to get your trough ready!

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>>97432949
>already did mate

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>>97433978

you are just a cuck who cant accept the fact that people left warhammer and pirate all miniatures. Good ridance to gw and to you ma gay son

>>97434253
Very Indian-coded post.

>>97433792
if you wanted to shit on age of sigmar you could bring up the current problems with 4th edition or how regiments and army building is bullshit, or how the mortal realms need to be more focused on besides aqshy or ghyran

but that would require you to actually look into the thing you're shitting on instead of regurgitating the same shit from 2016, no shit dude first edition was a piece of crap, it's been over a decade, retard

my beef is them shitting all over the established lore i mean, why kill the lore, just change the fucking game and move on but why do that when you can shoot yourself in both feet like a true GW turd, no wonder the stocks are plummeting

>>97434321
>If you want to shit on age of Sigmar you should keep current with the steaming pile of tripe

Do you think I want to touch that shit with a barge-pole?
It evinces primal disgust.

>>97433903
>Muh CAslop
No thanks, I already played Shadow of the Horned Rat and Dark Omen in the 90's, when this shit was still good.
And they didn't jew me on DLC.

Also, if you hate them both, the fuck are you here for, retard?
Or did you just decide to go on the offensive, because what WAS your position melted into a pile of shit, as I suspect?

>>97434408

op here, that is my friends beef as well. The reasoning being that in the end times you could write a ton of novels and add extra lore, there were discussions of the orks eg doing a waagh, the skaven coming on the surface, the dwards, everyone to attack the chaos forces, and the idea was that chaos is chaotic and both skaven and orks would not want the world to end. Anyhow yeah i agree that they should change the game only and not spit on old lore. Another tidbit that was fascinating was that they were pushed to publish whatever fast because gw wanted to move on and thats why the end time novels were so rushed. Then when they mentioned they couldnt kill some major super characters like gotrek for instance gw said ok and hence the mess in the lore

>>97434476
>that is my friends beef as well
didnt know you could find that.

>>97434476
>They could've churned out more young adult tier glorified fanfiction
Do secondaries really?

>>97434431
calm down grog

>>97434476
the skaven wanted to destroy all of the surface world to make the horned rat rise to ascendency, which happened because the horned rat is now a chaos god
also gotrek didn't die, what the fuck are you on about

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>>97434476
>there were discussions of the orks eg doing a waagh

Age of Sigmar is legitimately sad. It’s been a decade and their most popular factions and characters are all stolen from a better setting created by better men. The game itself is horrible and the lore continues to be so retarded that everyone who doesn’t play AoS thinks it to be retarded. It’s an actual disaster of a setting and game and it is shocking to think that AoS players don’t see the writing on the wall.

>>97433473
In the way that McDonald’s is the world’s greatest restaurant. Slopmar enjoyers are the obese fast food junkies of the wargaming world.

>>97434657
>by greater men
So true trench sister

>>97434670
What slopmar enjoyers? You're seething over a group of people that don't even really exist. I'm sure most aos players probably just enjoy the game and building the miniatures and don't care much for the lore.

Warhammer Fantasy fans are the ones who always go on and on about how great a setting Warhammer is when there are like six ttrpg settings exactly like it. All because they read a 10 year old 1d4chan article and decided to parrot everything whoever wrote it said.

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>>97434704
>enjoy the game

>>97434704
I like parts of AoS setting but GW doesn't really know what the fuck they want to do with it. Death actually has all the best characters in AoS, Ushoran is a baller.

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>>97434727
basically this, it really shows that GW has no goddamn idea what they're doing half the time, my biggest problem with the setting is that the mortal realms are still incredibly weird and esoteric and they only really focus on the same 2 realms over and over again
that said AoS is in a much better spot gameplay-wise than regurgitators like >>97433792 who unironically believe the game is the same as it was in 1st edition say it is, and instead of playing old world or an earlier version of fantasy battle or mordheim they'd rather beat the dead horse that is age of shitmar jokes because they don't actually play wargames; they just read 3 articles on 1d4chan and continue the parrot spiral to maintain some vague notion of superiority over randos on the internet

>>97434727
>Death actually has all the best characters in AoS
I feel like they're one of the few factions where they actually managed to make recognizable new characters like katakros and kurdoss. Ushoran is technically a portover from whfb but his backstory in aos is pretty much wholly separated from that and executed well, imo.

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Here's how I would improve Ass of Shitmar's lore
>Kill all TW tourists

>>97435411
absolute kino. i agree all tourists and indians should be shot.

>>97434657
The irony in this statement when WHFB is just Tolkien + Michael Moorcock. Oh we need humans uhhhh... Just put the HRE in there.

always amusing when one group of GW sloppers pretends they're superior to the other group of GW sloppers.

>>97435411
there literally is none in shitmar because shitmar's dead you bitter retard. All the tourists are hanging around a version of the IP that doesn't even have a model line.

spearhead is fun

>>97436812
WOW now I KNOW you're a retard tertiary. TOW got a whole ass new faction, a refresh to an old model line, and some new kits too. You'd know that if you weren't stuck in 2015

gw is now overrun by wokies and i am really glad i bought a 3d printer, let them rot

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imagine the donkey dick GW sucks now after seeing how succesful Total war warhammer is lel

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>>97434549
No.

>>97437700
I hate them.
I want to rape them and set them on fire.
At the same time.

>>97432918
Aids of Sigmarines was necessary:
It sequestered the waste of the Fantasy playerbase to a dungeon of their own making, paying out the ass for a pittance of figures playing a game even less mentally stimulating than watching grass grow.
But also, and most importantly, it showed people for whom they truly are. People with sense, self respect, just played literally anything else and got more and better figures from a myriad other manufacturers, and we see the result of this in sublime new plastic kits from companies like Victrix, Atlantic, and Northstar.
But those that were simply there for the brand? To the first group with them, amassing piles of shame and debt.

>>97437891
Too bad TWW secondaries don't buy minis... imagine the egg on GW's face when they made TOW only for no one to buy it, again, lol

>AoSbab still assmad butthurt about TOW
Good thing the skaven and lizardmen players(furries) are all stuck with you.

>>97432980
Star Wars is still massively profitable. One or two TV shows getting bad reviews does not make your grievant mind palace fantasies render in the real world.

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>>97438164

star wars and star trek are shite, made for woke gays. It is unfortunate that muricans cant get theis shit in order, we keep wimenz in da kitchen for a reason, and gays at cleaning toilets. But murica gave them air to breathe and now they strapon every murican ideal to the ground while karens applaud from the sidelines

>>97438164
Mate, they have utterly crashed.
Star Wars toys are bargain bin warmers now.
Nobody fucking cares about that clapped out piece of shit dyke-parade.

>>97438031
Luv me some Northstar.
Painting up some Elves soon to fight my mate's humans.

I got a whole evil kingdom of spider-themed wood elves imagined up.
Shit's so cash.

I still miss The Old World, but I've got my memory of it, and I can keep a piece of the spirit alive.

But shitting on AOS is obligatory for me.
Look how they massacred my boy. . .

>>97432949
>just posting for those interested or waiting for fantasy as a heads up
But...it came back a year ago

>>97432980
>GW is being asset stripped anyway.
>That's the Blackrock business model.
>They hollow it out for ease of consumption by the mass market, and by the time they realize the thing is full of empty promises, they've already made back their investment, and reinvested their gains into an NGO promoting lesbian poetry in Uganda.
What the fuck are you talking about? Blackrock owns like 6% of it, they aren't even the biggest stock owner

>>97432918
>>97432949
>>97434476
>orks
>killing off gotrek
>not knowing what tow is
Lmao.
Seriously how can people get so worked up about something they clearly know so little? It baffles me.

>>97438453
He has Blackrock Derangement Syndrome. Many fa/tg/uys suffer from it. Sad.

The only valid AoS criticism is it's clearly a half-measure. For every new unit that fits the new setting there's dozens that are just remakes of grog WFB stuff.

>>97438453
Blackrock isn't just Blackrock.
And 6% isn't just 6%
There's Vanguard and State Street, and the rest of the same network of investment firms busily working to buy up everything.
And when they get a significant piece of it, they castrate it, brand it, and shave it's head, and send it to the abbatoir.

All that you love will be ground down into blandly inoffensive corporate slop.

I think OP makes a point in that AoS has failed as an IP

the models sell quite well, but the tabletop game can be rare to see at times, and it's existence outside of tabletop is nothing outside of mockery

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Alright I know this is a consolewar thread so my chance at getting real answers is slim but bear with me. The general consensus seems to be, even among aos players, that the launch of age of sigmar was an absolute botchjob; rushed and unpolished, with severe communication issues between departements. Sloppy art, weird rules, background fluff without stakes, etc. Now the grogs will tell you AoS is still shit, but again, even aos players enjoying the game now by and large seem to agree that the system was terrible at launch, and it took until AT LEAST the launch of the first general's handbook (summer 2016) to find its footing. That's not really uncontroversial from what I'm finding, right?
The thing is, according to gw's investor reports from the 2015/2016 year, by the end of that period AoS was getting: "sales at a higher level than warhammer [fantasy] had enjoyed for several years".
My question, then, is what the FUCK was happening with fantasy in its final years so that it managed to get outsold by what even aos players now consider a horrible false start?

>>97432918
>my dad works at nintendo
it's almost nostalgic at this point

>>97438878
>what the FUCK was happening with fantasy in its final years
the rules were fundamentally broken:
premeasuring made cannons so precise that they effectively made monsters and other big dense points-sinks extinct, that meant that a lot more points ended up having to be invested into infantry units
furthermore 8th ed switched the army building from requiring a number of core troops (say, 3 units, regardless of how big they were) to a percentage of points spent on core troops (generally 25%, even if they were just one big unit), that meant that you were discouraged from using as few points as possible in cores to spend them on special units and instead you were encouraged to keep investing points in the troops because you were forced to spend 500pts on them already, and might as well make those count by making the unit(s) actually survivable and effective (at taking hits, more than anything)
last but not least, 8th ed introduced "horde formation" which meant that the units could fight with an extra rank (on top of the 2 they fought by default, plus step-ups) if they had a rank 10 models-wide, and also made the units downright unmovable regardless of combat results modifiers as long as they had more ranks than the enemy (and due to some fucker not proofreading the rules, by rules as written, this boon from having ranks wasn't negated even when charged from the flanks or rear), which further pushed for large units
the magic system of 8th edition was supposed to offset this, since it had spells that would cause damage that scaled up with the size of the enemy unit, but it only ended up causing a second arms race with wizards, instead of discouraging large units

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>>97439077
this compounded with the fact that most armies' basic troops were (and still are) the most outdated and least appealing parts of the ranges, meaning that newcomers were met with a huge entry cost that actively punished them for wanting to buy and play with their cool and exciting monsters and elite special troops. and in turn the basic troops were left misbegotten by gw's releases because the average customer wasn't a newcomer but an old player, who already had an army of the existing units and is not really that prone to update all the basic troops of their armies even if they got neat updates, so instead of looking after the long term health of the range and system gw looked for short term gains, which meant making brand new units, and not always with good results in terms of fluff and designs, or with balanced rules (they were either extremely op or useless cannon bait, with no in-between)

it shouldn't come as a surprise that, despite what many console war faggots from either say may want to spout, fantasy players surged massively into aos, together with new players moving with the flow, the moment aos managed to present itself as a complete game with points, and that's because aos did 3 things that fantasy didn't:

army composition was way more lax, meaning that you didn't have to make an army around the troops you found ugly

cannons had different rules that meant they didn't automatically neuter any and all things that didn't move in herds

various model ranges got boxed deals ("start collecting: _____") that offered actual deals and didn't contain just the ugly older models

and now, 10 years later, fantasy is back and is slowly falling through all the same pitfalls once again and all because cannons still aren't getting fixed

>>97439105
>inb4 but anon horde units aren't the problem in tow now! only dragonlords and multiple fast moving and hard hitting units!

>lets ignore how no monster other than one that can stack the saves required to defend against cannons is a problem and that cannons being a hardcounter still ends up making it ok for dragon rules to be busted

>let's ignore how this setups means that the pendulum will swing to remove the stacking saves and monsters will stay extinct
>let's ignore that when the pendulum swings, the focus on multiple small fast elite units will get once again replaced by basic horde units

keeping cannons they way they are was the death sentence of warhammer fantasy and will be again

>>97439105
>and now, 10 years later, fantasy is back and is slowly falling through all the same pitfalls once again
oh no

>>97439105
>this compounded with the fact that most armies' basic troops were (and still are) the most outdated and least appealing parts of the ranges
I can't speak for appealing but is was my inpression that many armies actually DID have their core units refreshed in either 7th or 8th, with probably the most notable exceptions being brets and especially tomb kings.
Anecdotally I've heard that the problem was moreso that existing players simply didn't buy the refreshed basically infantry, since the jump in quality wasn't enough to justify (re)painting however many new infantry jobbers you needed. This wouldn't be that big of problem if it wasn't for the dire amount of new blood coming into the game, which you touched on with the non-existence of start collecting type sets. The focus on infantry, within this view, was an attempt by gw to force the issue and to get veterans to actually buy the new basic infantry, but this worsened the new blood issue even more. Again, this is just some theories I've picked up from talking to people about this topic over the years, I wasn't around back when all this actually went down.
Sort of related but a lot of the very weird decisions of early pre-ghb aos, like no points, can be explained as an overreaction to the issues late whfb was dealing with. Not everything of course, but still.
Thanks for the writeup anon. I find this time period very interesting.

>>97439245
nta but I think gw are at least trying to solve the "new player issue" with
>big army boxes that, for the cost, are great deals (wish they had a single on-foot character though)
>battle march small gamemodes, meaning for example one armybox could give you 2 battlemarch armies to fight each other
>updating generic characters to plastic, no newcomer wants to buy metal

the issue is that these updates are slow to come out, but I think that's more an issue with "holy shit 40k is taking up every weekly release slot" than TOW's fault

>>97439282
Yeah they've at least learned that discount boxes make them more money in the long run this time around. Battle march too should help with new players, no doubt inspired by the success of spearhead which is hard carrying aos through 4th edition.

>>97439245
empire troops were deemed uglier than the 6th ed one with puffy sleeves
dwarf troops were deemed uglier in proportions compared to both the antecedent metal elite troops and the successive plastic elite troops
high elves and tomb kings kept having some of the oldest basic kits of the game as their basic troops
dark elves didn't get their basic troops addressed until a few months ahead of the end times
marauders were laughable up until the recent update

skaven were fine, vampires were fine, beastmen were fine (rulewise they were trash though), wood elves were fine, and ogres, orcs and lizards managed to go on because monstrous designs age better, but not addressing the troops above was a grave mistake

>>97432918
>a lot of writers within the Warhammer universe genuinely think
I don't think they do, just been reading the Necromunda novels, and as there aren't too many I've almost finished the whole of what is out there, and the difference in writing quality between the original novels and the newer novels is apalling, the current stock of GW "authors" are a shameful stain on the very notion of literature, it's awful crap that is lower tier than some fanfiction and web novels.

>>97438164
It took until just now for Star Wars, which used to print money hand over fist, to finally make back the cost of acquisition from Lucas. More than a decade of movies, TV shows, and merch. They haven't even dug themselves out of the hole of production costs and their disasters like Galaxy's Edge, not even close. They started Star Wars in the hole, sabotaged the entire IP, and now they have yet to actually break even.

>>97441365
I think at fault for all of it is the sequel trilogy and whatever the fuck was going on with directors there

>>97439282
>no newcomer wants to buy metal
And they're fools for that and many other reasons! Metal is objectively superior as a material for character models, it holds detail better and it's much, much easier to strip & repaint when new players inevitably fuck up painting their first characters. Not to mention GW actually decided, by a miracle from God, to not be gigajews with their pricing for metal characters. You can get a metal chaos champion for 18 canuck bucks right now. That's a deal and a half. Plastic character kits are a horrible idea, both financially and logistically. You wanna know why GW charges $60 for a god damn space marine captain these days? Because cutting a steel mould designed for a single character's sprue is retarded, but they do it anyway because people don't have brains and will buy anything.
Fie unto Games Workshop and fie unto anyone who says metal characters are bad! They're good!

>>97441623
The metals GW produced were so terrible even finecast was an improvement(other than paint stripping ofc)

>>97441724
What? Far be it from me to want to defend GW, but their metals are fine. I've worked with metal models cast as far back as 1988 and even a couple that were cast as recently as last year and they were fine. Better than fine, even. Finecast was not an improvement at all! Do you have any idea how awful working with the finecast dark eldar models from 5th edition was? Horrible! I still have to figure out how to repair my haemonculus' fingers after they broke off and I've been putting it off for years now because they're so tiny and annoying to fix. Metal is the king of miniature materials, anon, and GW has always (and don't get me wrong, GW fucking sucks) made good metal models.
Then again, it's not like I really have anything to compare them to. What, are Infinity's models better?

>>97438164
This is what the culture warrior Filonicuck ACTUALLY believes.

>>97441801
I refer to their mid-oughts metals. Absolute garbage and one of the biggest reason metals in general have such a bad name.

>>97441874
Ah, fair enough. I actually haven't managed to get my hands on many of their mid to late 2000s metal models, my metal collection is mostly comprised of models from the '80s, '90s, and almost every metal chaos champion and sorcerer model they put out alongside the 6th edition Hordes of Chaos book from 2002. That's a bit of a blind spot in my collection, late 6th and 7th era metals... I'll have to find some and see if they're really as bad as you say!

>>97441365
>when you have to baldly lie to maintain your fragile, fake worldview and sense "your side is winning"
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1744489/000095015724000366/defa14a.htm

>>97442234
To sum up, since you're too stupid and lazy to actually read anything: Disney had made 12B+ off of Star Wars years ago. You can probably add a billion or two to that now. They easily paid off the purchase price and made insane profit since. Cope if you must, boomer loser.

>>97441724
Why do you retard zoomers parrot opinions about a past you haven’t lived through? You’re wrong, the GW metals have been good as long as they been making metal. Shitcast was a drawback in every way.

>>97441623
"It holds muh detail better" is like a 90 year old guy going on about some landspeed record that's lodged in his sunsetting brain and has been beaten for multiple decades. GW's current plastics have more detail than any metals they ever produced, and it's not even close.

If you were to hold a competition all about putting the finest possible detail into a mini, sure, metal would win. That bears no reflection on what they actually did with their models though.

Metal is far worse to assemble, faaaaar worse to convert, and chips many times more easily than plastic. It's largest appeal is to lizard-jew troglodytes who helplessly associate the literal mass of a hunk of metal with value.

>>97441724
You're even dumber than the fading boomer, though. Just straight up lying about products you've never held in your hands or even seen outside of a computer screen. A true flagbearer for AoS.

I think that like/dislike of metal miniatures is a good filter. Those who dislike metal or don't get the love of metal are soulless bugman.

>>97442480
It's an indicator of conservatism, since the defining qualities of conservatism are 1) fear and 2) discomfort and confusion when confronted with ambiguity. Holding a metal model that will outlast your mortal lifespan is comforting to them. But no self-actualized person will ever prefer metal.

>>97442528
I know intrinsically that you are ontologically evil by virtue of your black speech on the topic of metal miniatures and thus am discarding your slander into the bin (where it belongs).

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>>97442432
Anon I'm 24, I'm not a "fading boomer". I'm probably younger than you. I like the models that were made in metal far more than anything GW has put out in plastic and it's not nostalgia talking seeing as I literally wasn't even alive when most of these models were in production.
Also, you're really not considering the financial/logistics side of things that I explained in my post. There's a reason GW was able to put out dozens of different chaos champion/sorcerer models back in the '80s and it was entirely (well, mostly) because the models were being cast in metal & therefore making the moulds was a lot easier and cheaper.
Anyway, you're right that GW's current plastic models have more detail, but who cares? The models aren't better, at least in my opinion. They're more detailed, but GW isn't using that extra detail to actually do anything cool. I think the new models suck, aesthetically at least, compared to the older ones. They couldn't make this chaos champion today, for example. Well, they could, but you know what I mean. They wouldn't! I can post more examples if you'd like.
Furthermore, if your metal models are chipping, it just means you haven't varnished them properly. Gloss varnish is your friend, use it.
You're right that people who speculate on the value of metal models are pretty gay, though. They suck! Models are meant to be built/converted/painted/played with, not hoarded.
Finally, your point about metals being harder to assemble and convert is moot because modern GW plastics are all sliced up on a computer and distributed across the sprues in a nonsensical fashion, which makes assembly & conversion harder than it ever was with the old metals and the old plastics.
>>97442528
Doesn't plastic take a super long time to degrade, arguably longer than metal minis which might suffer from lead rot? My main issue with plastic models is that stripping the paint off of them is annoying, so they're harder to buy second-hand.

>>97442631
>Anon I'm 24, I'm not a "fading boomer"...it's not nostalgia talking seeing as I literally wasn't even alive when most of these models were in production.
That doesn't really follow. People are often nostalgic for eras that predate their life/memory, and glamorize them.

>There's a reason GW was able to put out dozens of different chaos champion/sorcerer models back in the '80s and it was entirely (well, mostly) because the models were being cast in metal & therefore making the moulds was a lot easier and cheaper.
They put out more models now, at a faster rate, than they ever have before. They commission plastic sprues for fuckin' board games and videogame tie-in boxes and shit. The cost is not a limiting factor. Are you just looking back at a 30 year library of metal releases and going, "these all came out at the same time"?

>They're more detailed, but GW isn't using that extra detail to actually do anything cool.
They absolutely are. Maybe because you don't assemble plastic kits you don't see what's going on with them. You look at the final product photo of a release and go, "meh!" Off the top of my head their plastic design techniques have eliminated tons of nasty seams on models, they have produced more naturalistic and dynamic poses, they have eliminated ugly unnatural joints on models (like a ball arm slapped haphazardly into a socket shoulder, or a waist that is turned without any of the corresponding musculature flexing), they have introduced the ability to render precision detail that should be perfect and symmetrical like armour filigree, etc.

>cont'd


>Finally, your point about metals being harder to assemble and convert is moot because modern GW plastics are all sliced up on a computer and distributed across the sprues in a nonsensical fashion, which makes assembly & conversion harder than it ever was with the old metals and the old plastics.
Just ain't true, especially about assembly. What IS true is that dolts who used to think they were hot shit because they could put their adult Lego models together without instructions are now totally fucked. But the literal physical process of putting plastic parts together with cement will ALWAYS be superior to putting metal parts together with superglue (and sometimes needing pins!)

Converting is more challenging in the post-adult Lego era, but it's mostly a skill issue. You have to consider building a model and then taking it apart in your own way if you want pieces of it -- they are no longer easily split up like Head, Arms, Bodylegs.

>Doesn't plastic take a super long time to degrade, arguably longer than metal minis which might suffer from lead rot? My main issue with plastic models is that stripping the paint off of them is annoying, so they're harder to buy second-hand.
It's not just the lifespan while left untouched that matters -- plastic is more vulnerable to heat, cold, breaking and bending from force, etc.

>>97442746
>are you just looking back at a 30 year...
No, I'm not. I'm looking at the yearly catalogues GW used to release and I'm seeing that they would put out several metal models to represent a single character unit. Sure, some of them had re-used bits & body shapes, especially the RoC ones, but you cannot deny that they used to put out & concurrently sell more variants of a single character unit (e.g. farseers, chaos champions/sorcerers, space marines, for God's sake they put out three or four different dark eldar haemonculi all the way back in 3rd) than they do now, seeing as GW is typically (for non-marine factions) content to release a single plastic kit for, say, a chaos sorcerer, and then do nothing more for years at a time. Seriously, just go look at the old catalogues. How long were we stuck (we still are, btw) with the awful, awful plastic undivided chaos sorcerer from 8th ed Fantasy?
>more models, faster rate
Arguably, sure. Yeah, the company got bigger and they churn out more space marines than ever before, but they've traded army depth (variety of models within one army, if you will) for absolute quantity of models released over more ranges. Who gives a crap if they make 29 new space marines or whatever the 40k dwarfs are called if I don't collect those factions? I'm not buying everything they put out, I'm buying what I like for my army, and on an army-by-army basis they are (when they're not removing half the units in the range, see dark eldar this edition) releasing less models. Instead of choosing from 30+ different chaos champions (a bad example, but you can also look at other Fantasy armies from the '80s and '90s and see that they had variant models for the same character unit), now they just sell one that's on foot and one that's on a horse. I hate that They started doing this paring down the model ranges in 6th, reversed course in 7th, then went full steam ahead in 8th. You can track this by looking at the army books.

I learned about warhammer fantasy from total war and i was instasold but when i saw that they deleted fantasy and how the lore of aos i said nope and moved on. Still play total war fantasy games just not this aos stuff

So this is why the latest /wfg/ has been slower than usual.

Anyways, beyond what others have already said about why Fantasy got axed, you shouldn't forget the horrid financial hole that GW dug themselves in prior to 2015. The sloptubers are probably exaggerating how bad it truly was, but they already axed a lot of other products in the decade prior.

The AoS sets are generally much more in that detached "high fantasy" style that got very popular at the time (probably thanks to a combination of WoW, more modern D&D, and our autistic nerd spaces in general attracting loads of normal people thanks to the Big Bang Theory), and those new ranges did sell well enough that they contributed to GW slowly digging themselves out of their financial nadir. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if something similar to AoS would have appeared on the scene even if they weren't in financially dire straits, but the finances killed Fantasy. No company in their right mind would have let something like the TW games' hype pass them by without trying to capitalise on it as the IP holders.

(I think that's also the reason why AoS was such a mess in their first edition. They wanted to push out popular high fantasy models for the painting only crowd to buy asap, and the actual game was an afterthought)

As it stands both TOW and AoS are doing alright, with probably one or two ranges outselling AoS (apparently not very hard considering the latter's fans cluster around a few speciic ranges like how 40k's fanbase clusters around space marines). GW is doing much better financially through their licensing, more conservative approach to production, and bleeding hobbyists that only buy from them dry. Sure. I'm not happy about what happened with Fantasy, and I think AoS is honest to God the most boring fantasy setting I've come across, but it's not as if allowing AoS to exist on the webstore is going to immediately kill TOW (or vice versa).

Also continued.
>they absolutely are
No, they aren't. GW has consistently, from my perspective at least, been releasing boring and bland models for the armies that I collect and this has coincided with the move to the new style of sprue. I don't care how fancy the new sprues are and I don't care how well the seams are hidden (they aren't, by the way, but it's nothing plastic cement + sprue goo can't fix), the new chaos and dark eldar models they've been putting out (when they aren't outright obliterating half the range & offering no replacement, see dark eldar again, yes I'm mad about it) are not to my taste. A lame model on a really high-tech and sophisticated sprue is still nothing more than a lame model. Also, I will remind you that GW has used these fancy new sprues to sell you monopose models. Multi-monopose, sure, but monopose all the same.
>just ain't true
I don't understand why you're so focused on how "difficult" assembling models should be, as if it were a point of pride or indicative of the final product's quality. A lot of old metals came in one piece and they were glorious & are still widely beloved to this very day, man! Having to hunt for parts 62A, 73B, 86C, and 100297D to assemble a space marine's left buttcheek (hyperbole) on sprues as cluttered as modern GW sprues are is objectively harder than sticking 2-5 pieces of metal together to get a whole model, and for what? A model that's more detailed, but nowhere near as cool (subjectively) as something sculpted 30 years ago? Models shouldn't be hard to assemble, at least not in my opinion. Keep it simple, keep it clean, so whoever's doing the assembly can move on to painting their model quickly and painlessly. I will concede that using plastic cement is easier than using superglue, though. That's just objectively true.
>plastic is more vulnerable...
Fair enough, but I'm still able to find plastics from the '80s with relative ease, so it's not like plastic models are more ephemeral.

>>97437891
They're seething over all the royalty revenue and selling off 25 year old models to FOMOed secondaries I'm sure

>>97432918
And yet it sells better than Fantasy ever did

>>97443375

not true what are you on about mate? did you see the stock exchange? Fantasy surpasses by far aos , its 40k-lotr-fantasy-aos deal with it

its called age of shitmar for a reason since the lore is utter shit like who thunk it was a good idea bubbles in space? Nobody can relate to that as opposed to fantasy where you had maps and saw what was happening and you could relate easily. Fuck GW may they go bankrupt

>>97432918
The only good thing from age of shitmar is some of the models are great.

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>>97444153
This is counterbalanced by them having some of the worst models ever released by GW.

>>97446428
It's amazing how even the battle standard of the landwhale manages to give off bulldyke kween energy

>>97446428

no way these are real bruh wtf and here i thought aos shit couldnt get any shittier omg

>>97432918
It sucks, it has always sucked, and that fact is incredibly disappointing.

I really wanted to like it, even though I was pissed that WHFB got squatted.

>>97449248
You gave it a fair shake.
Can't fault you for that.

We can fault GW for not honouring the implicit commitment to replace WHFB with something as good or better.

>>97442432

Honestly, modern resin 3d printing blows any kind of injection molding out of the water when it comes to detail. The things you can just casually 3d print as a single piece in resin would be impossible or require absurd multipart construction in plastic/metal.

You are right through. "Metal holds detail better" hasn't been true like at any time during Mr. Twentyfour Year Olds life. Except maybe at their youngest times. What GW does with injection molded plastic these days is absolutely amazing. I hate the company, but do respect the work they have done making plastic (which is far easier to work with over resin or metal) do amazing things. But, despite the pain of working with resin, the upsides of 3d printing make everything else pale by comparison.

inb4 "3d printers are too expensive". Motherfucker, I bought a 3d printer capable of producing shit better than injection molding for less than what GW wants to charge for a combat patrol, or battalion box, or whatever the hell GW wants to call their boxed collections these days. Embrace the 3d printer, make more minis for more games, and actually play some fuckin games. Print enough models so you can have forces for your non-wargaming friends to use so you can sucker them into the hobby too.

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>>97432918
No shit, AOS is made to sell models and to use a game system more modern and appealing to a wider audience than WHFB.

The lore isn't good, but honestly the main problem with AOS lore is that it derives from and prompted the End Times, which everyone rightfully hate.

"Hey, you know that fantasy world you've grown to love? Well, we want to make a new series of models to sell, so we will kill off that world. Enjoy, and buy our new models."

>>97450232
Honestly I think they would've killed off the world regardless of aos being on the table. Might as well squeeze the last amount of money you can out of the playerbase y'know.

Imagine if total war happened 2-3 years before the gw cucks decided to kill it, imagine if larian had made not baldurs gate but something in the fantasy setting, a crpg of epic proportions that would kick the ball outta the park totally but like i said gw are cucks and i hope they go bankrupt soon

>>97450232
>"mOrE mOdErN aNd ApPeAlInG"

To who?
People who don't even fucking like wargames?
People who were previously excluded by being too low IQ to play?

How does this improve anything for the extant players again?
Oh, yeah.
It doesn't.

You shit-eating retard.

I like AOS, so I play it
I also like TOW, so I also play it.
I do not like 40k, so I simply don't play it.
If you think something is shit have you just tried not playing it? It's not like AoS is dominating every FLGS the way 40k is so that should be incredibly easy, right?

>>97450482
Aos is simultaneously dead and noone plays or thinks about it AND worthy of getting its own dedicated seethe post every other week

>>97450472
why are obviously autistic people on /tg/ so aggressive and low iq?

>>97432918
Why didn't they introduce AoS as an alternate system and keep Old World? Surely they'd know people would be pissed off. Also the success of Total War Warhammer shows that even normies prefer the old world.

>>97450596
Mirroring; one guy starts it off and it just goes round and round.

>>97450605
At the time they didn't have the resources to support both. And they knew that if they kept around the old stuff not as many people would've jumped ship to the new game.
>Also the success of Total War Warhammer shows that even normies prefer the old world.
While I don't doubt the setting (!) of the old world is more popular than that of aos, total war warhammer doesn't really prove anything in that aspect, at least not until they release a total war : aos and you could compare the two.

>>97450521
It is impressive how people can stay mad for 10 years and counting
1st edition
>Just you wait guys they'll kill AoS and bring fantasy back
2nd edition
>Any minute now you'll see AoS is a failure and they'll cancel the line
3rd edition
>Nobody is playing it and TOW is coming out to replace it
4th edition
>AoS is dead and nobody plays it they'll replace it with TOW entirely you'll see
AoS will get to 10th edition in 2040 and people will still be malding over it simply existing in its own corner, seethe-posting about it from their retirement home PCs

>>97450430
Total war 1 was dead, it wasn’t until vampire coasts or maybe, tomb kings were introduced, that total war warhammer really took off. Honestly if they did release a twwh along with 8th edition CA would have died alongside fantasy.
>larian
My nigga do I need to remind you the dogshit games they released before bg3(I still consider bg3 dogshit but at least it captures the sexually depraved normie)? Also crpgs are still a fucking dark horse genre, and you’re over estimating what a pre endtimes fantasy can achieve.

>>97450789
>It is impressive how people can stay mad for 10 years and counting
The funniest part is how at this point the majority of people seething weren't even around for the actual end times, lots of total war kiddos who are mad as fuck about aos.

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>>97450859
obligatory picrel
>>97450843
that's another thing people forget, both CA and the vermintide guys weren't doing so hot before tw:wh and vt, and in the case of the latter it took several years for tw: wh (2 by that point) to really take off. People are confused why they didn't just wait a bit longer to reap the benefits of the vidya but that's only really obvious with hindsight.
Also this is maybe a bit schizo but I imagine it's possible CA only got the rights to whfb's IP because gw made it cheaper with end times in mind.

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aos is shit plain and simple but in the meantime get a 3d printer and give gw the middle finger

>>97450183
Not to stir back up a discussion that may have run its course, but has GW even made any modern metal models that we could compare their modern plastic kits to? Setting aside all other arguments for or against the plastic character kits of today, surely we can agree that there was a reason why metal characters were the norms in the '90s, right? I acknowledge that modern plastics are very detailed (to the models' detriment sometimes, but let's not get in to that yet), but what are we comparing here? Plastics now to metals from before 2011? That's hardly fair. My personal opinion is that the metal character models are superior aesthetically to the current plastics, absolute level of detail notwithstanding, but I acknowledge that what I see is entirely subjective. Let's compare apples to apples, I say!
Also, resin vs. metal is a fool's argument. I've worked with finecast versions of models that were previously cast in metal and the metal versions of these sculpts are objectively superior. Finecast was a mistake, but I can't speak with regards to 3d printing. Maybe it is better, but metal will always be my material of preference for characters.

>>97446428
>not any of the dwarves
The kharadrons are rancid dude.

>>97452989
Not as rancid as the naked midgets

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after they fucked up with fantasy now its time to introduce transmarines to 40k oh its coming

>>97450882
>I read the books, mate
a secondary and an Australian, impressive

its called age of shitmar bc its shit

>>97456468

idd

The useless cucklets of gw have no clue what they are doign do they? Did anyone watch the latest faq? they made the dwarfs even more useless now and shit all over slayer lore lawl can you believe this shit?

>>97432918
you're preaching to the choir complaining about this
its already over a decade old news and you can either accept that it happened already and either just ignore AoS and perhaps all of GW for doing this, try to find something you like about it if you want to let it take up any mental space for you, or actually just go onto Old World and try to support that
because i can assure you that letting this shit live rent free in your head for the next decade won't be a good use of your time

>>97459389
No. Fuck you. A honorable white male would never allow filthy leftist commies from stealing what is ours. Won't be surrendering. If you're not willing to fight until they end, you are weak and cuckolded

I've tried getting into aos countless times, but I always get to the same point.
>browse the web
>find some nice looking models
>realize it's a whole army based off specific units from whfb
>realize 90% of aos armies are just different poses of said unit from whfb
>lose all interest in it

Models and lore are the most bland shit on planet earth. I used to listen to audiobooks or youtubers narrating lore and it's the most unoriginal and shallow stuff I've encountered

>>97459419
yeah real alphas don’t give a shit about real problems in the world, they care about plastic toys
what actually is your goal and what’s stopping you from achieving that
is there something better you can be doing instead?

age of shitmar is gay

>>97459510
The plastic toys, and all entertainment and media that the left seeks to consume, are all part of the ideological propaganda war between the based forces of the right and the cucked forces of the left. You are being a dishonest liar if you pretend not to know that, because you're leftist jew masters have been trying to take over all hobbies for a reason, they wouldn't do that if they did not recognize the strategic importance of controlling culture

>>97459606
Is your problem with gw for abandoning their old game or leftist media?
Because AoS wasn’t made because they wanted to make a leftist version of fantasy, and if it was shouldn’t you be happy they made it easier for you to have a cut off point between the two settings?

>>97459641
If anything chuddies should be grateful aos exists as a shield to stop gw from reimagening whfb for the 'modern audience'.

the truth is age of shitmar is shit they should have kept the old world lore and just reimagine the game not put spacemarines in fantasy. just look at the world some bubbles floating in space and shit. who can relate to that shit? just buy a 3d printer and fuck gw

>>97462247
>just reimagine the game not put spacemarines in fantasy
this
the fucking ground marines ruined it above all else

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gw doesnt care about lore fellas they arent nerds like us who love the game and lore they are shareholders who want money. If tomorrow gays are the shit they will put gays in your game and retcon the lore to reflect that. What you can do is vote with your wallet

>>97462447
This is why modern GW sloppa consoomers are pathetic. 40kiddies, TOWddlers, AoSissies. All of you. Blackrock literally owns shares of GW. Modern GW is pozzed gay shit, who quite openly admit they dont care about the game or lore, they just want to sell you exorbitantly priced pieces of "premium" plastic at "premium prices". They are itching to dump all pretenses of lore and gaming but know it would cause too much of a backlash.

Real niggas dont play beyond 3rd edition of 40k/6th ed of WHF and use recasts, 3rd party and 2nd hand minis only. Imagine paying €100 for a shitty plastic tank lmao, embarrassing

yeah, gw prices are crazy , their entire operation and how they manage the company is crazy

i learned the lore from vermintide. Liked the game, read about gotrek thanquol etc and i loved it only to find they killed it. Talk about bummer but if they dont want money theres that which is weird as i see so many that like fantasy in gaming forums

>>97462492
>still playing 40k
>calls himself "real nigga"
Embarrassing.

>>97464797
He gets a pass, because Warhammer used to be cool in the 90's
Back before retards on the internet made it gay.
You don't understand what we had.
You never will.

>>97464836
Playing 40k in any form is still contributing to the rot.

>>97464887
Ultimately, the problem is not the game.
It is the company.
Some grogs in a basement can enjoy their hobby in a vacuum with the shit they bought in the 90's or traded on the second hand market.
It matters not.

Games Workshop never "took over" - it created the very niche.

Chainmail never broke through to mass market appeal.
And has anybody ever heard of that Conan game from the 70's "Royal Armies of the Hyborean Age"?

Maybe a few, but scant chance they ever played it.

>>97464797
I don't actually play 40k. 6th ed WHF is the only wargame I actually play. But old school 40k was based, yes.

>>97465044
Can I use 7th edition codices with 6e rules?

>>97465007
>b-b-but daddy GW created...
Who fuckin cares. You're part of the problem.

>>97465141
Why are you asking me? You can do whatever the fuck you want. I presume by "codices" you mean WHF army books. And yes, playing 7e with 6e army books is a popular way to play it but desu me and my group just play pure 6th

is aos really declining?

>>97465323
Alright faggot, I tried to talk to you like an adult.
I guess you're just a lisping effeminate nigger who gets emotional about toys.

Not even your own toys mind.

Other people's toys.

>>97465980
It's fairly regionally dependent, but at least in my area Spearhead has replaced AoS as the main mortal realms game. 4th drove a lot of people away.

>>97459483
FYI Fyreslayers don't represent the entire game

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>>97467182

fyreslayers are trash how did we go from bad ass dawi to fyreslayers is anyones guess oh wait its gw we are talking about, they dont respect their lore much less the customer

>>97432949
>already did mate
You clearly didn't when you're excited to eat up the freshest slop from GW that unceremouniously killed off your entire setting for a shittier product.

>>97468819

what are you on about?everyones got a 3d printer nowadays and if you dont then find a better job then toiling in the mcdonalds galley. Way cheaper than buying a box of 15-20 minis for 50 bucks

>>97464836
>You don't understand what we had.
I know I'll never experience the old stuff, I'm a 24 year old newfag who first found 40k in 2015-2016 and got painted my first model around 2020-2021.
But I am content with the stuff I have now, I like the newer models they look cool to me and I don't really mind the newer fluff.

>>97468965

so you dont mind that they introduced trans in 40k nor that they want to add female spacemarines to catter to a dei crowd that is a very small percentage of the 40k fanbase?

the deathrattle models from smagmar are nice but some of their lines like the balloons midges and naked midges are horrible.

>>97468965
I don't hate -you- insofar as you are a separate entity from Whatever form of Warhammer you play.
But I grew up in a different time, under a different sun.
And there is unreason in my heart, because I saw that other sun set, over another earth.

>>97443464
>40k-lotr-fantasy-aos
Honestly surprised lotr is the second highest. I've never seen anyone at my LGS ever play it or really talk about it.

>>97471395
Mate it's a shitpost. C'mon now.

>>97432918
>muh epik mudcore lore so soulsian
>no mention of gameplay
Lol, so easy to spot a TWW secondary who has never touched a mini

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>>97471413
It needs to be said how fucking terrible square bases are. These models would look great on round bases but ranked up on square bases all the detail becomes lost in an amorphas blob.

>>97471648
>the sigshitter will never understand the beauty of ranked infantry

>>97471648
Eh depends on the unit I'd say. Spears or halberds look better in tight formation imo, but yeah models like these marauders don't really loom like they were designed to be standing in ranks. Although it probably doesn't help that they're very busy to begin with and they seem to have chosen to paint a lot of the detail various shades of brown which makes them blend into each other more easily.

>>97471648
Square bases are from a better, more civilized age, when models were designed to look good in a regiment. The issue you're having is not with square bases, it's with models that aren't designed to make use of square bases. GW forgot how to sculpt miniatures in 2004, by the way.

>>97471648
Square bases look great, that’s how battles would be fought. As formations and not as individuals blobbing up. I understand that this upsets your marvel sensibilities because the Avengers never formed up in a battle line.

>>97471648
>>97471679
>>97471693
>>97471754
>>97471830
Stay on topic. This thread is about insulting/making fun of AoS. Not discussing base preferences.

>>97471832
Boohoo

>>97471648
>>97471693
>>97471754
well that explains why im just not so much of a fan of the new marauders and cathay in general. Im not really a fan of beastmen, but they make the best use of whole formation thing by being so legible but also giving some of that wildman energy making them so memorable. Marauders just look like a fucking mess, and cathay is both too over-detailed while at the same time having nothing going for it when ranked up.

>>97471832
you made like 4 other threads to talk about this that its redundant.

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>>97439077

Oh good, I get to dust this off again.

1/whatever

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>>97472058
nobody cares for your self proclaimed truth nukes.

>>97471754
Okay let me rephrase that, I’m personally not a fan of square bases or painting units of 25 models when you can only really see the front five. I get that how they're supposed to look but for me this is where the rubber meets the road in terms of realism and being a game. That said if GW is designing models for square bases and ranked units, they need to keep the sculpts simple, with key details that stand out, clear weapon readability, bold and simple iconography and distinct silhouettes. Not CAD sculpted micro detail.

>>97434772
>the mortal realms are still incredibly weird and esoteric
I think this is silly. I've seen these complaints quite often so I went to read up on the setting. It's really not that weird. Maybe the people who bring this up aren't very well familiar with any fantastical settings not curated by GW, but in terms of the published content you could basically pick any TSR/WotC setting at random and there'd be a good chance it has had more whimsicality and bizarreness wrung out of it than AoS has.

>>97472058
>>97472065
>there's no evidence whfb wasn't selling
Well sure but there is that part where they canned the whole thing and replaced it with a different system...

>>97474914
They would have done that even if it was 10x as profitable as 40k.

>>97475003
...why?

>>97475006
Stupid execs demanded a more memeable game with things like shouting WAAAGH and STEEL REHN equivalents. Liberal designers planned ideological violence against a traditional fantasy setting.

>>97475019
Lol.

>>97475019
>things like shouting WAAAGH
Yeah, that's why they put all these rules in the early aos legends-equivalent? Always funny when someone harps on the meme rules because it outs you so clearly as someone who's only kind of parotting what others have said about it.
Furthermore execs wouldn't have demanded so drastic of a change if it was actually doing well, it would've been more of a soft reset like 40k had.
Finally we have a statement straight from the horse's mouth confirming whfb was struggling with sales in its later years >>97438878
Unless you considered getting outsold by fatcast and fyreslayers "fine"

since they nuked the lore they can go suck donkey dick. Dont worry brothers there are better games out there, fuck gw and find happiness in other settings that dont retcon lore neither do they have trans or other dei shit

>>97475085

this

if they dont respect their own lore how on earth are they going to respect the client?

>>97473628
>TSR/WotC
I think many people who deal with stuff like dnd focus almost entirely on a single realm. Like (yes it's shit but it is popular) Faerûn people ignore basically all the other realms and planes of existence. With age of sigmar there is no single realm that everyone kind of settled on and people bounce off that. There is no single area that everyone knows about.

>>97476121
Nta but I don't think they're really comparable. The realms in aos aren't different planes of existence or anything, they're physical "planets" (more like discs) in a pseudo-solar system. If you had a spaceship and you went in a straight line from the edge of one realm you would reach the edge of another after some time, provided you were going in the right direction of course. It's much simpler than people think.

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>>97476295

its shit so deal with it, you cant relate to random flat earths into nothingess whereas you could relate with the map of the old world much better. cartography was a thing

>>97432918
>a lot of writers within the Warhammer universe genuinely think AoS is bad
Anon having anything other than a negative opinion on this garbage should be a foundational test of sapience, it is absolutely the worst 'setting' ever devised and the game is no better

>>97476295
honestly it would be so much better having it just be one giant planet or a normal solar system. Once you get into having to use portals or space ships to get from one to another it really starts to suck. Also the midget space miners with baloons are so fucking lame. (I HATE MIDGES)

>>97477136
They're air miners not space miners. I'm sure this revelation will increase your appreciation of them tenfold.

>>97434321
>
if you wanted to shit on age of sigmar you could bring up the current problems with 4th edition or how regiments and army building is bullshit, or how the mortal realms need to be more focused on besides aqshy or ghyran

No one cares about any of that gay shit because it's fucking garbage and no one besides cretins like you ever will. Criticising aspects of this drek would be like criticising how the sweetcorn in a turd doesn't look fully cooked.
NO ONE CARES

>>97477199
Clearly, you do.

>>97434584
>>97434476
Skaven were always chaos, the horned rat was always a minor chaos god

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>>97477192
They might be the worst faction GW has ever done.

>>97435813
Warhammer was fantasy tropes plus historical analogues plus myth and folklore and it was for people who liked those things, Deadgame of Shitmar is for people who like league of legends and gatcha games. Try and misrepresent (lie) it all you want but you too retarded to realise that, it was literal anathema (bad thing) to stupid people and that's why it makes you angry

>>97477246
Fantasy was an unfocused mess that got remade 3-4 different times and should have been put down with storms of chaos.

>>97477246
Warhammer was a hodgepodge of better ideas thrown together as a way for gw to justify selling their dnd and runequest miniatures after those licenses ran out. Don't delude yourself into thinking it was evee anything more.

>>97477265
>>97477281
You samefagging smegmarites are genuinely sad. Every accusation is a confession.

>>97477732
I do apologize, maybe start another karl franz run and you'll feel better?

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I thought I’d crack a joke about AoS biggest game released so far but then I looked up the numbers and realized posting them is funny enough.

>>97477899
>doesn't even deny it
Kwab

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>>97478154
I don’t have to deny or confirm your claims because this is a thread dedicated to discussing why AoS is so gay and not to discuss Warhammer fantasy as you smegmarites try to deflect.

>>97433534
Quars more woke than Warhammer. The writers son is a tranny and the father not only accepts this, but encouraged it

>>97478259
>it was the fucking goteslopper all along
You've got to be kidding me

>>97477899
I played the demo, it was such a fucking boring rts. Frontier Development seems to be a pure slop factory making shallow boring games.

GW should give game rights to larian owlcat to make warhammer crpgs. That would help with sales but if we take into account they said no to blizzard and then blizzard went on to make wow with generic fantasy races then its safe to assume gw is fucked

>>97478263
Ew.
Aight, prove it and I'll drop it like hot shit.
Understand this is a serious allegation and must be substantiated.

>>97480404

you mean the femstodes or the other transified minis arent proof enough?

>>97475019
>>97475003

easily the most delusional posts ive ever seen from butthurt fantasy fan

>>97480880
He's been doing this for literal months. I recognize the screencaps that he posted earlier (literally just his own posts with 0 replies). This guy genuinely believes 2010's whfb was selling on par with 40k and the whole end times and aos were just a marketing stunt gone wrong. Funniest poster on the entire board, he stalks these seethe threads, if he isn't the one making them in the first place.

>>97432918

If it pisses off the nazis like you then it's doing a great job

I always find it funny when Sigshitters mock Fantasy. Like their game is a derivative of Fantasy. It comes from Fantasy. It's a (shitty) rip-off of Fantasy. They have entire armies that are designed based off a single unit from WHF. Their lore, characters, planes, models, etc literally wouldn't exist without Fantasy yet they have the gall to deride it lmao delusional

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>>97480963
Wtf are you talking about cocksucka? Ill fuck yo mama yo sista and your dead granny. All hail the emprah trump. Shitmar is shit and i shit down your throat duke nukem style

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>>97472470
In better versions of the game you wouldn't be running 25-man regiments. You'll almost never see regiments that big in TOW either, mind you, but for different reasons.
I agree with the latter half of your post. What's fucked up is that GW used to do that and they used to do it very well. Models used to be simpler, easier to paint, with details that you could actually see from across the god damn table.
My personal theory is that they haven't tried their hands at designing models with how they'd look when ranked up in mind since... what, 2014? 2015 at the latest, and the stuff they were putting out in 2015 was already round-baseified. So the sculptors are still working with 40k and AoS design sensibilities in mind, which is why the new marauders don't look good when they're ranked up. Also, they removed the muscularity, and this has upset me greatly.
For what it's worth, I was against GW putting out new models for TOW in the first place. They should have just brought back the 6th, 7th, and 8th models and ran MTOs for the really old stuff, and if they were to release new models they should have been designed with the old aesthetic in mind. Clearly, they chose not to do that, and seeing as Cathay managed to find an audience (which beggars belief, I personally don't like that range at all) it's fair to say GW is going to go all in on detail instead of legibility from across the table.

>>97481124
I think the idea is realizing the background is and has always been a joke and not to mythologize it like fantasy players do with whfb. When you start saying shit like it's the best fantasy setting conceivee or whatever the fuck you know you've gone too far. It's basically the worldbuilding equivalent of a pun, and that's all good fun and all but treating it like anything more is just frankly kind of embarrassing.

>>97442631
There's really no accounting for taste; while I'll say that the model you posted has some charm, it does an awful job of actually portraying a terrifying warrior of chaos bloated with fell blessings. He's just too stumpy and short and straight up cartoonish. He looks like a well detailed children's action figure or the villain from an 80's children cartoon.

>>97481370
>my setting is embarrassing horseshit
>if you take your setting seriously you should be embarrassed like me
Kek, every accusation a confession has never rang truer.

>>97438453
>Blackrock owns like 6% of it
Fuck me that's a lot

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>>97433792
>they just copied a copy and called it a day.
I'm not even sure what they're copying these days.
All their artwork is grotesque pseudo humans, and that's Warhammer in general, not just AoS. I remember the 9th edition Guard codex coming out and I was wondering why Slaanesh has guardsmen now.

>>97482620
>Broken makeup
Hey gw do more of that for women.

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>>97446428
>see "new" range
>it's just feminist, trans, african and what have you
>moving from heroic scale to realistic proportions makes any anatomical quirks or bendy spears or weapon handles look really bad
>disagreeable motifs keep appearing in the helmets, the bodywork and the bad sprue snipping + assembly, that unify the whole range

>write it off, GW's sculpts are just bad and will be until they fire/retire their current modellers

>talk to **based** friend about how the old world is great, just that I wish things like image related didn't exist (as they're feminist bulldyke) minis (for the Modern Audience) and that they'd just stick to the old sculpts
>"Oh buy anon, it's great! It really fits with-"
>zone out and stop engaging
I miss it being a boys club. I wanted to get into Old World because it wasn't AoS and is from the beforetimes, but it's just becoming AoS, including the community.

>>97482074
No retard, the point is that warhammer in general is kind of horseshit and it's only good when not taken seriously. No wonder you hold a sales pitch of a setting like warhammer in such high esteem if these are the limits of your comprehensive reading skills. Go back to basecoating your ebay goats, maybe you'll catch all the mouldlines this time around ;)

>>97482742
Yeah a woman could never lead a Chaos warband. That hasn't been a thing since 1999 at the earliest that I can remember but potentially earlier.

>>97482811
No, that's a prerequisite to make playing AoS palatable. The setting is so retarded and corporate that taking it seriously would turn any person with more than 85 IQ away from it. And you project this schizophrenic tendency onto other GW settings. Trying to equate your derivative of a derivative by calling the thing it derives from derivative.

>>97480589
Nah I mean regarding Quar
I already know Warhammer is current run by retarded fags

>>97482843
>Trying to equate your derivative of a derivative by calling the thing it derives from derivative.
...yes? Anon you know we're talking about warhammer right?

>>97482832
The funny thing is anon, I'm not sure if I was presented with an old style mini "girlboss" that I'd be fine with it.
That sculpt to me just oozes with modernity.
But then I don't know if anyone could give me a Man in Man Armour (and gender neutral boobplate) and say "This is a woman and she's in charge". If you wanted someone big and thickset... you want a man.

>>97438164
>One or two TV shows getting bad reviews
Isn't it at least 3 shows at this point?
With season 3, even the Mandalorian went to shit...

>>97482908
You keep calling it Warhammer as if AoS and Warhammer Fantasy are on equal footing. They are not. Interesting strategy admitting your setting is shit but trying to drag down good setting with you is detestable.

>>97483008
>your setting
I think you misunderstand me, I'm not one of your culture war monkeys. I enjoy both, and I enjoy them both in the same way, as pulpy shlock. My point is and has always been that treating warhammer, be it fantasy, aos, 40k, necromunda or fucking digganob as anything more than that is just kind of laughable. Like, if not because of the inherint comparison with aos, would you really consider whfb as 'grounded' or whatever? If you're introducing your friend to it are you going to frame it as some serious exploration of the human psyche or whatnot? You've lost yourself so deep in this little decade old consolewar (worse, at least those were owned by different companies) that you've lost sight of what made warhammer fun in the first place; that is was never that serious. (Also why 6th edition's grimderp turn was so fucking stupid, but I digress)

>>97483089
>dude AoS is MEANT to be shit! Just enjoy it despite being shitty, this is true for all of Warhammer btw not AoS
Jesus Christ I don't think I've seen a more retarded argument on this board

aos is shit, gw will retcon anything to get a penny so fuck them in the ass and 3d print all the time

>>97471648
>>97471679
What's stopping any of you from basing your new marauders on round bases, and getting a movement tray with slots for said round bases?

went to the flgs and the only people playing AoS were a tranny and a guy who works minimum wage at the local GW store.

>>97484870
I think we fundamentally just degree on what warhammer is anon, that's fine. Hope you get aome nice games in.

AoS lore is more interesting WHFBs.
only interesting fantasy lore was end times.

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>>97485286

nice bait but no, aos lore is shit and non existent whereas fantasy has epic lore. That said you dont nuke the entire lore just to make a new game, its stupid but what do you expect from gw cocksukers who know jack shit about the game and only care for prafit. They still havent understood that most ppl 3d print their minis now and gave the finger to gw

>>97432918
Ok but where to take Fantasy Europe with Late Middle Ages trappings and industrial revolution tech? Was it ever that original or just NotGermans, NotFrench, wispy magical demihumans, short sturdy demihumans and ugly violent demihumans plus the dead?

>>97486003
>They still havent understood that most ppl 3d print their minis now and gave the finger to gw
Lol
>>97486017
To be fair whfb helped shape a lot of those same tropes, especially in regards to orcs. But yes the whole point of whfb originally was to give you a reason to use your generic elves and dwarfs and dnd minis and historical miniatures a backdrop to fight in.

>>97486028
Lol how did that turn out

>>97486044
How did what turn out?

>>97486028
>looks at GW profits over the past 5 years
Oh yeah, a 3d printer bro who’s literally never looked at a ticker in his life talking about the imminent financial ruin of GW.

TOW is pretty much dead, so as is typical, they will cope and shit up the board instead of buy into their system

>>97487788
GW basically killed TOW with Cathay. There were a lot of 8th ed/9th ed tournament bros investment and Cathay was so off the chain even with comp it just dominated.

>>97487788
No, it's still alive and well despite GW's mistakes. Cathay just got giga nerfed so the game will be a bit more balanced. Beastmen will still be overpowered and will now be the best army in the game by far. The latest FAQ raised more questions than it answered. There are rumors about new chaos warriors (horrible idea, just sell the ones from 1997 again) and knights (see previous, but from 1998). And, most importantly of all, the game is being played by people in my community and that's what matters the most at the end of the day.

>>97487788
>>97487808
Meanwhile in reality, Cathay did space marine numbers and because of that they rushed out wave like 6 months post release. And they have a wave 3 coming before 2nd edition. All because it sold so well.
If you want to see why poorly selling ranges get look at half of AoS armies and their pity heroes they get each edition.

>>97488534
>Cathay did space marine numbers
Do you honestly believe this? Why?

>>97488560
let him dream.

>>97488560
Because an inside leaker said so that has been right about everything that could be verified up to now.
We will see where TOW is in 5 years and if AoS even exists 5 years down the line. Get your AoS games in now, your time is limited.

>>97488560
>>97488565
I've seen someone (presumably this same guy) quote the cathay doing space marine numbers for literal months now, very similar writing style. To my knowledge he has never managed to back it up, always alluding to "store numbers" or "someone in the know I talk to". It's peak autism where they can't just accept something did well, no it has to be the bestest ever!! type thing. I'd be surprised if he even owned any cathay is the funny part.

>>97488684
>Because an inside leaker said so that has been right about everything that could be verified up to now.
Kek sure he did buddy. Pray, tell, who is this infallible leaker of yours? if you say javgoro I'm going to laugh so fucking hard
Just think about this logically anon, even if cathay was an ultra mega succes there is no way in hell they produced enough kits for them to sell anywhere near "space marine numbers". I have no problem they sold well, very well even, better than a lot of aos releases, but space marine numbers? Come the fuck on.

>>97488703
The documents/sales reports are easily found on Google. Find it yourself.

>>97488779
>documents and sales numbers
Whose sales numbers might that be? "Documents" lmfao.

>>97488826
Yeah investor reports are usually presented in document form, you'd know that if you weren't a poorcuck

>>97488763
Initially sure they didn’t produce enough, that’s why the GW webstore was sold out of the army sets within 5 minutes of pre orders going live. They scrambled to print way more right after that.
A lot of people seem to think GW has a set schedule for producing kits. I mean in the factory not design. And there is a schedule, but it’s not set in stone. Releases and priorities shift constantly based on data from their sales departments.

>>97488834
And those investor reports never mention anything specific on how a single line is doing, let alone in relation to another faction from a different system entirely. Cathay has been mentioned once in one of these, purely to remark that they showed off some new models for them and they'll be getting chinese localisation (kek).
KWAB

>>97488916
Actually they do. You'd know that if you ever read them and weren't talking out of your ass hoping I'd spoon-feed you

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>>97488927
>uhh the "numbers" are in the "documents" bro!!
>no I won't be able to provide any
Here, I'll do your job for you. Behold, the one (1) mention of cathay in january's bi-yearly investor's report. And before you come crawling back with another excuse, the last one was in july, and no, it wasn't mentioned in there.
Some space wolf and horus heresy stuff was mentioned earlier on the same page though, 9 that is. Maybe that's the illustrious space marine number you meant kek.

>>97488988
That wasn't me making that claim, as I said, the space marine claim was insider leaking. I can understand that you simply can't accept the reality as an AoS stan, so I won't push.

>he is writhing his way out of his own lies
man, ben is really getting terrible at this. when will they fire the polish janny.

>>97489066
>insider leaking
So again I ask who is this leaker? Surely you haven't been posting my uncle works at nintendo tier nonsense this entire time?

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>>97481421
Perhaps it is just a matter of taste, because you're describing exactly what I like about models from the '80s and '90s. They're not realistic because they aren't trying to be and I think that's why they're so good. To you, that chaos warrior may look stumpy and goofy looking, but to me that's the best part. I'm more interested in models having unique and expressive poses and designs than I am in models being realistic and super-detailed. You won't see any of those tiny details from across the table, but you can bet your ass you'll be seeing that skeleton sword. And believe me, he looks plenty bloated and monstrous next to the mundane human models from his time. Scale creep is a bitch, as I'm sure you know. Anyway, we could argue about differences in what we like about models all day, but there really isn't a point. I like the old style, you like the new ond, and that's alright. But of course it goes without saying that my opinion is objectively superior because it's my opinion, naturally.

Gw first fail was to killw arhammer fantasy, the second fail is the mini price, 50-70 bucks for mini? fuck that nigga

>>97432976
yes

>>97487212

you would be surprised how many ppl 3d print gw minis and other minis