GW has priced themself out of the market

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>>97443818
>Sand down every aspect of Warhammer from fluff to gameplay to try and court the fabled modern audience
>It never comes because the most basic troop kit now costs as much as a AAA video game, maybe more
How hard is it to just open a factory in NA?

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>>97443818
This is fake and gay but it did make me chuckle a little bit.

here's the second bait thread of the day.

Then everyone stood up and clapped.

>>97443818
Warhammer (Game) and Warhammer (Hobby) are separate interests. The sooner people get that into their heads, the better.

>>97443818
>apparently people now just play with base-sized cardboard cut-outs with names of units written on them
Based if true

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>>97443818
were they at least the fanciful type of cardboard cutouts?

because I could understand that if it was used as a quick and cheap way to kickstart a gaming group by having multiple such armies for tests games on a dedicated corner of the club.
easy to make, easy to store, and still better than grey plastic at the end of the day.

>>97444039
You know damn well the kind of person that would show up to a tournament without any models would not put in the kind of effort to make a paper proxy look good.

>>97443826
While this anon is correct, if you are literally to broke to even 3D print your shit you are not in any financial situation to be having hobbies.

>>97444039
From how it sounds I wouldn't be surprised if its just cardboard bases. If someone had a "papercraft" (Minimum amount of effort) Warhammer army I wouldn't mind.

>>97443818
I don't believe you.

>>97443818
This sounds fake as fuck

>>97444087
This

>>97443818
This is real and I believe it

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>>97443818
There's no way Warhammer drones would tolerate such a blatant disregard for the profits of the company they built what passes for their personality around for that long.

>>97444004
Yeah and the game (40k) fucking sucks

>>97444243
This picture just doesn't hit as hard without the original poor English.

>>97443860
>open a factory in NA?
No and go fuck yourself. Move to Nottingham if you want cheaper figs.

>>97444424
you’re both faggots this is a billion dollar company and the product is pure overhead. “muh tariffs” is not an excuse for the kits being as high as they are. jew workshop as usual are just greedy fucks

>>97444032
Shit. That's basically how it goes in Battletech.

>>97444093
>no money for minis
>no money for 3d printed knock-offs
>no money to buy someone's poorly painted army off ebay
>somehow still have time to fully learn the game, create cardboard proxy for an entire army, and play for multiple hours multiple days a week
Either OP is full of shit or these people have some serious life priority issues

>>97444756
>no money
>somehow still a shitload of time on their hands
These are called NEETs, Anon. Surprised you've never run into one before, since you're here.

>>97443826
This
>prices have more than doubled in the last 10 years
>GW dropped all support for any point format other than 2,000
>turn combat patrol and kill team into shitty "buy this specific box to play" side games
>need more terrain than ever or else your entire army dies turn 1
>not even cool DiY terrain, it is very specific looming L shaped ruins that are ass to make, store and transport
>they change the rules every few months and support competitive/tournament rulesets more than anything else
>this leads to everyone needing to rebuy their army multiple times a year
40k is in an awful state

>>97444662
That's how it went in battletech. They've shifted over to HIGH QUALITY PLASTIC PLS UNDERSTAND for a while now. Go look at /btg/.

>>97444891
>they have their entire being warped by their ideology
>anyway, here's why purchasing warhammer models will save the white race

>>97445146
who are you quoting?

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>>97443818
My local store died but my story is real:
>Take my orders but dont order anything
>Didn't realise I was trying to order the same model 3 times in a row
>Never orders paints, shipment is always coming next week
>It never does
>Try to rent their big play area for our club
>They didn't allow us to use our own ruleset in our private tournament for unknown reasons

I'm glad they closed their store, morons.

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>>97444039
Back in 5th edition during an event I fuck up and sent the wrong list.
The one with multiple drop pods instead of my regular meme double landraider crusader one.
As a result I had to rush and make some cardboard drop pods the night before because my younger self mixed up the list.
Today? Not even the terrain are painted and just like anon said >>97444087 modern proxyfags have no intention of actually putting any effort in their proxy.

>>97444662
That's because Battletech is a hex and chit game wearing a miniature wargame hat. Even CGL sold a big box of standees in the clan invasion kickstarter. Apparently it didn't do well enough to repeat for the mercenaries one though.

>>97445457
No, I mean the Clan Invasion Reinforcements box. It's a full sized box that's top to bottom just punchboard standees. Weighs a ton, was a direct reference to the old FASA Reinforcements boxes. They didn't make a Mercenaries Reinforcements box.

>>97445681
So was Clan Invasion, the basic format of both kickstarters was exactly the same with a big box that has rules and minis and a bunch of packs with more minis. I wish they had done a Mercenaries Reinforcements box, I could make use of it. But the CI one just didn't move enough to be worth repeating.

>>97445339
You fags minishame constantly in the general now. Its become the banshe bottom anon show for a while.

>>97445765
That was years ago and it still keeps posting.

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>>97444891
While I'm a lefty, I think sigmarxism is the stupidest place ever. I got banned for questioning if the model designer for the Mordheim Possessed warband was a neo nazi. They were saying that the pointy hoods made them the kkk. It was unreal. Fucking morons.

>>97444756
>no money for minis
If it's killteam or some other small sized game then they should have the money but for a full sized wargame? What's the current startup cost for a typical 40k army now, like 1,500? It's a big ask to play 1 game with 1 faction
>no money for 3d printed knock offs
if there was just some site to get them for $5 a pop it would be reasonable, but you have to either find some guy on facebook marketplace who's renting his printer who'll you'l have to find and give the files to and wait god knows how long for him to print them. Or you could order from a russian recaster which while it will be a sizeable discount, is still going to make you wait months for minis they don't already have ready and you'll be paying for shipping on top of that. Or you could get your own printer, a basic FDM cheapo won't cut it, you'll need a $700+ range printer, probably resin, you'll need the files and have to learn how to use the thing which is almost another hobby entirely.
>No money for somone's army on ebay
Ah yes, just buy someone's neon green army of partially converted models with missing pieces/units, """well painted"""", for somewhere between %10 discount to above MSRP depending on how deluded the painter is.
>still have time to learn the game, make cardboard proxies and play
yeah? This takes basically no time? You could learn a war game in an afternoon or two, cardboard proxies would take less than an hour. The story is still fake as fuck, no one would waste time doing this when you can just play on TTS from your home.

>>97443818
Wow
I mean, I have played with carboard placeholders in the past as well, back when I was a poorfag or wanted to test something I didn't have enough minis for. But I'd never actually go to a tournament like that, even a local one. Do those people really have no other place they could play with that?

>>97445834
>What's the current startup cost for a typical 40k army now, like 1,500? It's a big ask to play 1 game with 1 faction
If you know where to look for and rely on cheaper discount boxes you can make a decent army for under a grand
>Space Marine half of the current Starter Set ($100 for Terminator Captain, Terminator Librarian, 5 Terminators & 5 Infernus)
>Salamanders Combat Patrol ($170 for Adrax Agatone, 10 Infernus, 3 Eradicators, 5 Assault Intercessors, and an ATV)
>$50 for the Target Dawn of War boardgame (3 Bladeguard, 3 Eradicators, and 3 characters)
>$40 for Vulkan He'Stan
>$50 for 3 more Bladeguard Vets
>$100 for a Land Raider Redeemer
>$80 for an Repulsor (Dual build it as an Impulsor)

That's close to 2k points for around $600 USD. Yeah it's more of an extreme example, but it's definitely not near $1500.

>>97445814
Aff.

>>97445834
If you're not meta chasing, its perfectly reasonable to jump in at about $500 and thats just for official minis. I know, I did it to get space marines. Obviously certain armies are way more expensive, but NOS half boxes of marines (and whatever they are fighting) tend to be pretty cheap. if you're really curious, poorhammer does $500 challenges, and have made several armies work at that budget.
3D printing is valid, but if you're in a community, someone always has one. Its a fun hobby but you're right as an expensive one. If its not a local person I know, i wouldnt bother paying them for it.
Yeah man, neon green army is fine as long as its cheap. its a hobby. stripping them is annoying but as long as you get a deep discount it doesn't matter its missing stuff. pick up what you can to fill out. I'd rather have a proxy mini then a piece of card board. 100% agree, well painted is always a fucking joke.
Learning to play with your boys, or practicing/trying out armies in your basement is fine. sure as shit not fine during a tournament. desu, i dont think greytide should be allowed at a tourney. the hobby side of the hobby shouldn't be cut out.

>>97445157
(you)

>>97445121
>>prices have more than doubled in the last 10 years

Prosecutor squad
Dec 2015 £35
Jan 2026 £38
+8.6%

Celestant-Prime
Dec 2015 £48
Jan 2026 £58
+16.7%

Slaughterpriest
Dec 2015 £18
Jan 2026 £23
+27.8%

GW price gouges but doubling is an exaggeration based on those figures. How about you provide values showing this alleged doubling instead of whinging about doubling as if it's real? At the same time do note the rate of inflation over the same period although that would really hurt your narrative. Cumulative inflation in UK from Dec 2015 to Jan 2016 is about +40%

>inb4 paypiggy
I haven't bought a GW model since early 4th edition and it was OOP bitz.

My LGS is in a small mall near a university. Every other store in the mall has been closing down, and about half of them have been bought out by the university for administrative space that never seems to be used. Now to get to the store you have to walk past the three open stores at the entrance, and then a wall of empty and dark storefronts to the solitary glowing storefront in the very back corner of the mall. I fear for it somewhat, but there's enough student types financially speculating on cards or getting into 40k that I assume they get decent profit margins.

>>97443818
>cost of living through the roof
>be Games Workshop, purveyor of luxury goods
>increase prices ad infinitum on said luxury goods
>no one buying luxury goods
Colour me shocked.

>>97446676
NTA but all that really falls short when you account the increase in market and absurd profits + by the book greedy practices.

>>97443818
>>some of the cardboardfags are unironic Communists and started a smear campaign, calling him a ''classist''
He sounds based, where you at, I want to give him my business. Normally I'd say this is 100% a made up story with the intent of political shitflinging but I've seen enough of these cases of commies trying to "collectivize" marxist book shops or whatever to know that truth can be stranger than fiction. And it's funny so I choose to believe it.

>>97445121
You base your opinions entirely on memes you see here and not on reality.

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>>97443818
OP may be a liar but he’s an entertaining one and is provoking an interesting debate. 9.5/10 this is some high quality old school trolling.

>>97447742
Which part of that post do you take issue with?

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>>97445121
Don’t forget
>4th edition 1500pt (standard) army: 2-3 characters, 20-40 marines, 1-2 vehicles
>10th edition 2000pt (standard) army: 4-6 characters, 40-70 marines, 3-5 vehicles
>and the game is shallower, more complex, and relies on broken combos and constant rebalancing

>>97445121
This is why I play 3.5 with my group.

>>97446676
meanwhile in the actual cash cow section, space marine kits have half the models they used to and are still full price.

>>97444756
>these people have some serious life priority issues
OP did say that they were commies, anon. They tend to be very low functioning people. Here's one of them now. Let's take a look at him.
>>97445834
It's $159 dollars for a fucking Mars 4 anon. Even your unemployed ass can afford that. Can't find .stl's? Go to Cults and plug "40k" into the fucking search bar. The people putting them up there don't even get creative with the names anymore.

Seriously, the bar for entry is the lowest that it's ever been. How do you people survive from day to day?

>>97448568
Also needed
Power and filament
Both cost money

And "having money" doesnt mean "able to waste it on toys".
Sorry, war sim life models.

Though I agree, not everyone should be able to do every hobby

>>97448725
>printing minis
>mars 4
>filament
You're trolling or retarded, I'm not sure which. Either way, we're done here. I'm not sorry that your life sucks but I hope that you some day work at improving it.

>>97445834
Shit dude I bought a Saturn 4 ultra 16k during cyber Monday last year. Cost me $700 including a bunch of other shit I needed and I’ve ready printed $3000 worth of bootleg GW shit.

Basically if you can afford to buy Warhammer, you can even more easily afford to not buy Warhammer. The only reason to buy GW is if you’re a tournament or in-store player. Club and garagehammer players don’t give a fuck.

>>97445806
I used to have a commie phase in my life and it just made me an autistic laughing stock.
It was during my teenage years. I can only imagine these sigmarxists never grew out of it.
And weirdly enough their love of miniatures and an ip by a big company contradicts their whole thing.
But I’m sure they’ll bend themselves into pretzels trying to explain things out. I doubt Marx would approve of them and if the revolution does happen they’ll be forced to work in jobs they hate instead of being warhammer war gamers in their socialist paradise.

But all in all I hope sigmarxism lives forever as they do a good job making their side look terrible by just being themselves like how r/atheism did a good job making atheism look terrible. And it’s a great containment for warhammer autists of their kind.

>>97448918
Different anon
I guess I should feel lucky for having an lgs tolerant of my third party proxies.
Or maybe I’m tolerated because I bought my paints from the shop.

>>97443818
>some of the cardboardfags are unironic Communists and started a smear campaign, calling him a ''classist''
Insanely based by the vanguardists. I like my minis but fuck corpofag rightoids. I bet you retards only want us to buy from the official Warhammer: Age of Sigmar© "aelves™" or "duardin™"?

But, getting into AoS is a recipe for disaster anyways.

>>97445806
Reddit in general is on a whole other level of retardation, comrade. From the hobby subs, to the conservative subs, to the red subs.

>>97448939
>like how r/atheism did a good job making atheism look terrible
American hands typed this. American hands absolutely have to have typed this.

>>97448961
You’re technically wrong and correct at both as I’m a Canadian but then again Canadians are so alike Americans so you might be right.

Tbf my local store closed because everyone went to 3D printing in my small town. When you can get a full 2000 point army for literally the same price as a 10 man unit from GW, I kinda understand it. I'll probably make he switch once 3D catches up to store bought quality in a few years

>>97449019
Maybe your LGS should have diversified in stock and service

>>97449019
Not surprising at all. You can get a 3D printer around the same price as one of GW's 500pt boxes now, and something like OPR's Grimdark Future is a negligible cost for a 40k-like with better rules and better sculpted models (albeit 3D printing simply isn't up to the material advance of injection plastic).

>>97449174
What printer and printed examples and painted examples please?

>>97448022
>game is shallower, more complex
>shallower
>more complex
?????
?
???

>>97449385
As wide as a river and as deep as a puddle

>>97449012
>a red leaf

>>97444424
>He thinks Warhammer is cheaper in Nottingham
Lmao.
Lmfao.
You'd hope.
But no.
- t. midlandsfag

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>>97449441
It is if you interact with the factory the correct way

>>97443860
>it never comes
It started coming like five years ago, and has come even harder every year since, as you can plainly see in their revenue disclosures. Cope as you will.

>>97449481
I yearn for the day the CAD files of all of GW’s sculpts get leaked somehow.

>>97445136
Complaining about amazing plastic models, what a fucking look. The most retarded bucketcrab ever, "NOOOO you can't have high quality plastics because i prefer my cereal box tokens"

>>97449497
>"NOOOO you can't have high quality plastics because i prefer my cereal box tokens"
The complaint was compared to the old metal, and you know that

>>97449385
Had you ever played those games with massive skill trees, but each point just gives crap like
>0.1% attack speed when hitting enemies on a Monday
>+0.5 damage against blue enemies after each critical strikes made after running
The game is complex, but is just not deep. Since there is an optimal build in the mess of skills
Usually people end copying a build because figuring out things by people that have a life outside the game is not realistically possible

>>97449528
There isn't a hint of reference to metal models in that exchange. He complains about the transition from cardboard chits to high quality plastics.

>>97447731
I'm willing to believe it too, especially if he lives in a college town; I'd seen similar behaviors when I was in college. We had more than one autistic retard get in trouble with our LGS and they'd go on Facebook and say the dumbest shit.
I always felt bad for the store owner who, on the best of days, would have to deal with at least a couple stinky social pariahs.

>>97449441
Quiet, you! The idea is he won't realize until it's too late and he must now live in Nottingham for his sins.

>>97449735
>Had you ever played those games
I haven't, they intuitively seem like shit. But that actually makes sense now, thank you.

>>97444004
This. And also...

>>97444340
...This.

Building and painting is the real hobby™. Playing OPR games with #yourDudes is cool, too. Buying a gazillion codices that get invalidated every couple years, just to "play" the Blizzard-balanced, gotchaslopfest is pure cringe.

>>97449385
Anon is correct. Compare and contrast chess and go. Chess has more rules (is more complex) but has been computationally broken 30 years ago. Go has fewer rules (less complex) but was only broken 5(?) years ago with AI (meaning we don't even get to see the computer's thought process).
Taking into account Moore's law it took computers that were ~4000 times better to break the "simpler" game.

>>97445121
When I first got involved in 40k, the old Cadian Shock Troops plastics had just been released. They were AU$50 for a box of 20. As the years went on, they increased to $60, then $65. If I remember correctly they reached just shy of $70 before dropping back down to $35... but they were also cut down to 10 per box.
Then I watched the price begin to rise again. $40. $45. $50. $60. I left around about $65 if I remember correctly. I don't remember what the new Cadian's where when I came back last year, but they're currently AU$90 for a box of 10.

>>97444891
>>97445806
>Sigmarxism

Is that the shithole who think the GSC are "Pro-Workers Rights/Unions" and Ogyrn are about abolishment of class or some retarded horseshit?

>>97449495
>I yearn for the day the CAD files of all of GW’s sculpts get leaked somehow.

Hypothetical question...
Let's say I was to win $100M+ in the lotto. Let's say I then bought a bunch of injection moulding machines and hired an expert moulder... or whatever the proper term is, to make moulds and run the machines for me. And let's say I wanted to make moulds of old Warhammer kits. Professional injection moulded plastic recasts if you will.
Would that be as simple as hiring someone who knows what they're doing, giving them access to the right tools and giving them some old pristine spurs? Or would that not work?

You know, hypothetically

>>97450334
>Is that the shithole who think the GSC are "Pro-Workers Rights/Unions"
>Literally falling for Tyranid propaganda while having meta knowledge about the universe
Jesus Christ, that's a whole new level of stupid

>>97449174
>(albeit 3D printing simply isn't up to the material advance of injection plastic)
Since when does James use advanced injection molding technology?

>>97450359
>Would that be as simple as hiring someone who knows what they're doing, giving them access to the right tools and giving them some old pristine spurs? Or would that not work?
Yes and no from what I understand.
Could you theoretically reproduce the sprues?
Yes, but you might get hit with copyright law; Chinese and Russia recasters get away with this only because Bandai is crazy enough to go in and bust up their operations.
The big issue is creating the molds, which is where most of the expense is, which you only start making back after 100 thousand units or so.

>>97445834
>Or you could get your own printer, a basic FDM cheapo won't cut it, you'll need a $700+ range printer, probably resin, you'll need the files and have to learn how to use the thing which is almost another hobby entirely.
I bought a resin printer and everything I needed for it, including safety supplies, IPA, silicone mats, additional resin, a second build plate, and more for less than 500 dollars and had it figured out in a weekend.

You GW paypigs are retarded and bad with money.

>>97446676
source for the uk inflation? 40% over 10 years seems catastrophic

>>97445806
>retard gets banned from a subreddit because they got involved in arguments
waow

This new captcha system is aids by the way, fuck this deep learning world

>>97443818
I have my doubts about OP story, but the reality in that Warhammer 40K plastic figures are overpriced currently, at some point you can buy a 3D printer and PC components with that money in spent in armies.

>>97443818
Good, fuck GW and fuck the store owner for having faggot GW stuff for sale.

>>97450706
>>retard gets banned from a subreddit because they got involved in arguments
da comrade, don't question anything

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>>97449185

Everything in this photo (except the black 20mm base the dwarf is on) was 3d printed by an elegoo mars 3 pro resin 3d printer. It was cheaper than a batallion box or battle force box of whatever GW calls them these days (~$150 like 3 years ago)

3d printers are basically plug and play anymore, and can do equal to and better than any kind traditional casting in plastic/resin/pewter.

>>97450784
I need to paint my Full Scale Dominance stuff

>>97445806
>They were saying that the pointy hoods made them the kkk.
shows how America-centric most of the internet is

>>97450784
Lazy Forger makes some fine terrain, DAMN fine terrain

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>>97450792

I like the full scale dominance vehicles and terrain. It's good stuff, and prints amazingly without fussing around. For the anon asking about 3d printers, behold, more shit I've 3d printed, unprimed. The walls on the left are FDM printed from a friend of mine. The antennae on the mech would be very difficult without pins/laser cut brass, the same for things like the walkways and railings.

3d printing isn't that expensive and isn't that hard. If you can't afford a resin 3d printer, you are in the wrong hobby.

>>97450589
>Yes, but you might get hit with copyright law
>you only start making back after 100 thousand units or so.

Oh this hypothetical isn't about recasting for sale/profit. This is all about personal use, hence why the hypothetical starts >say I was to win $100M+ in the lotto.
This is just pure fantasy. Some thought to indulge in when I'm bored at work and want to drift off into day dreams of "if I were rich beyond the dreams of avarice."

But carrying on from this and indulging said fantasies further. Would it be possible to make upsized versions of old sprues? Like could I get this hypothetical mould maker/worker to make me true scale Marines using old tactical marine kits? Could I have him make a version of the standard rhino sprue that's been upsized so that it actually looks big enough to fit 10 true scale marines? Could I get him to make me downsized versions of the HH Primarchs so that they're only slightly bigger then the true scale marines he's made me?

>>97443860
Dude, they're hideously expensive in the UK too. Play a different game.

>>97450851
>Would it be possible to make upsized versions of old sprues?
It's a possibility, big issue there is your already huge cost start exploding as your Mold Maker will want to use fancy tech to take scans and make accurate Dies for the upsized Molds.

>>97450851
Dude, all this can already be done with 3D scanning and 3D printing.

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>>97450838

And, have some more stuff printed on the same printer (minus the assault intercessor and the base on the knockoff marine). Don't mind the derpy pose on the printed marine, that was purely a test run for scaling where I didn't bother to go find the matching bits/weapons/etc.

All of the stuff I've posted used a marginal amount of electricity and maybe $3 of resin total. Other major costs you do have to keep in mind for resin 3d printing are gloves (which any hobbyist should have for stuff like priming anyway) and 91% isopropyl alcohol (which can be like 95% recycled for future use). And I guess other normal shit to have around your living space like paper towels and whatnot for cleaning up. It's neither hard nor expensive to make the resin 3d printer go brrrrrrrrrr.

>>97450706
>source for the uk inflation?
The Bank of England.
>40% over 10 years seems catastrophic
Hmm, I wonder if something catastrophic happened between 2015 and 2025 that fucked the world economy sideways. Anything spring to mind?

>>97450334
>Is that the shithole who think the GSC are "Pro-Workers Rights/Unions" and Ogyrn are about abolishment of class or some retarded horseshit?
Sigmarxists literally believe any retarded intersection of leftism and 40k you can conceivably imagine, and then a chunk that are too stupid for a psychologically normal (okay, """normal""", we're fa/tg/uys after all) person to conceive of.

>>97446676
NTA but those are very niche examples. Not all their products are doubled but I remember start collecting boxes being 75€ because I got a skaven one to use the models for fantasy. Equivalent boxes tend to have less models and cost almost double

Still trying to wrap my head around the fact that they keep growing. I picture myself being 15 and asking my parents to spend 50-60€ in 5 plastic figures and they'd kick the shit out of me. Weed and alcohol are unironically cheaper than warhammer, which wasn't the case back in the day and possibly what saved me from becoming a schizo homeless, seeing how the rest of my friends have turned out

>>97444093
>if you are literally to broke to even 3D print your shit you are not in any financial situation to be having hobbies.
OD&D was played with a piece of paper as a map and coins as miniatures...
Still, I do understand what you're getting to.
>>97444756
When I was a penniless kid, this is how me and my friend played Warhammer Fantasy.

>>97444093
kids have hobbies too anon games aren’t just for manchildren

>>97446676
Guardsmen came in kits of 20 models and costed like 30.
Now they come in kits of 10 and cost like 60.
Even if they some how stayed at 30 for 10 models, it still double in price.

>>97443826
>>97445121
Not from the US, just using dollars.
A squad of IG guardsmen used to cost me ~$25 back in 2003.
Adjusted for inflation in my country that should be ~$43 today.
I just checked the current prices, and a squad would set me back $52.

I was even considering getting back into just modeling and painting, but it would see I'd be better off looking into 3D printing my shit.

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>>97443818
Half the reason I play is to look at other peoples paintjobs and discuss them since thats my favourite part of the hobby. I have no problem playing with people proxying with 3d prints or different models as long as they make sense, but Id never play with a fucking retard that uses pieces of paper unless its a friend trying to understand if he likes the game before committing.

>>97450784
>>97450838
>>97451016
Did you use stls that are scans of the original models? What did the stls look like?

>>97451916

Most of that is either original cretions or adapted from video game 3d models. an STL when viewed using slicer software looks like what gets printed.

If you want to find STLs, you can go to sites like myminifactory and cults to get them. Sometimes they are free, sometimes they are paid, and you can find quite a lot of stuff if you travel the high seas. There's tons of 3d models out there, and you can surely find ones that match your taste.

>>97443826
It would take 2 seconds to verify how wrong you are. GW raises prices each year and each year they make more money

>>97449019
>I'll probably make he switch once 3D catches up to store bought quality in a few years
3d printers are already capable of higher than GW quality and have been for years now.

>>97451016
>It's neither hard nor expensive to make the resin 3d printer go brrrrrrrrrr.
If you don't mind me asking, isn't the issue with resin printing that you basically can't do it indoors and need a super ventilated space? That's a main reason that's kept me away from it.

>>97445806
>nazis
>kkk
Americans look at these and think they're the same...

>>97444243
Your cardboard disc army is lame and soulless.

>>97444424
>The Brit is afraid of his island becoming even more irrelevant.

>>97453879
Yes, to do a proper safe setup for 3d printing require basically building a fume hood for the printer.95% of people printing don’t do this and are slowly poisoning themselves.

>>97453924
americans simple don't know history outside of American films and television

>>97454017
any time they get offended at "Blackface" in other countries
Even Black Peter is offensive to them

>>97453924
They kinda are in a way. Ultimately they're both leftists with contemporary views taken to an extreme.

>>97454017
But even in their beloved bergsteinwitz' movies, nazis and the kkk aren't even portrayed the same other than being antagonists.
>>97454084
>american moment
case in point

>>97454159
>case in point
Nope.

>>97454214
Yes, cope.

>>97445146
kek

>>97451916
if you are worried about how blurry some scans look, if you have money, you could pay someone that can use 3d software and fix/repair there is a name for but i can remember to "resmaster" it, hell i am sure a lot of the good sculpers might use scans as base

>>97454017
truth nuke

>>97454026
>any time they get offended at "Blackface" in other countries

Or in their own country. Don't forget that time that some reporter got all butt hurt because some small town bar/restaurant he stopped in had historical photos of the town on the wall and one of them was some coal miners enjoying a beer after mining shift and they were covered in coal soot.

>>97462261
Reporters be like
>Is hard work White supremacy? This reporter says yes. More news at 11.

>>97463114
>Is hard work White supremacy?
Yes. Literally they are saying it is in USA right now.
Hard work, punctuality, job expectations, quotas. All tools of white oppression

>>97463133
I got a good laugh out of seeing those "tools of White oppression", but then I thought about it, and they are actually right: those things are actually all aspects of White supremacy (and North Eurasian supremacy more broadly).
Nons can't into civilization.

It's just like when feminists call "working less hours" the "paygap". It's a self-own.

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>>97443818
Reminds me of mtg and proxies, all the communist troons use proxies and don't buy anything

Rest in piss globalist fags that turn every IP into marvel shit

>>97444039
I'd rather play against those than unpainted grey plastic

>>97445943
But I can FDM print a landraider for $5, sure, it has visible layer lines, but once it has a coat of paint and it's on the table it looks great.

>>97448022
mortal wounds are fucking gay and they should have just balanced the units better so you don't ever need them

>>97463517
>nooo, you can't use proxies
>you have to buy real cards™
Who could be behind this post.

>>97447742
Can you name 1 thing I was incorrect about?

>>97449385
There's more shit to memorize and do, but less actual choice. For fucks sake the game uses 3-lane map design from MOBAs now

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>>97463589
I think you misunderstand the sentiment of my post, I don't care at all who uses proxies. My point is that it isn't until you court the: troons, fags and browns; that proxies will start to have an impact on the business, and that makes me happy.

>>97447960
lol

>>97462261
>years is 2026
>I still see some random gringo making a scene over the word "negro" when visiting my country
>speak Spanish
Funny thing is we are the least racist fucks of the region. We have casual racism places like Argentina or Peru have competitive racism, we just hate foreigner that are noisy and commit crime. Sadly it seem everyone but the White the folks and the Japanese seem to fit that criteria when visiting.

>>97465016
>we are the least racist fucks of the region
step it up then

>>97463741
>for the last 10 years or so WotC made more money each year than they've made before
>gO wOkE gO bRoKe huehuehuehuehue

>>97468148
No hobbyist can compete with blackrock.

>>97468753
>[conspiracy noises]

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>>97468959
Blackrock holds 16 million shares in Hasbro. That's 11% of the company. Vanguard holds a similar amount.
Get outta here with this shit.

>>97469236
>famously pro brown troonoid orgs blackrock and vanguard
Insane take.

>>97469413
Can you tell me what your motivation is? You appear to be simultaneously against pointless consumption "you have to buy real cards™
Who could be behind this post."

but also you're defending blackrock and vanguard. and saying it's all a conspiracy. Do you understand the difference between a corporation making profits and a hobby being healthy and fun? Because local game stores are struggling more and more, there are fewer and fewer local tournaments. The game is ostensibly less fun

So are you just one of those dudes who would talk shit no matter what and has nothing you care about?

I don't understand, you're being so weird, just say your opinion for once instead of being a contrarian to everyone else who is willing to say theirs.

>>97468148
card shops are suffering from WOTC's business model. People don't want the new slop except bugmen scalpers. MTG has become pokemon 2.0

>>97469504
You're being incredibly defensive, why is that?

>>97443818
good, kill all paypigs.

>>97444093
LMAOOOOOO

>>97444756
Yes, the people spending money on toys have priority issues.

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>Blackrock owning more shares in Hasbro than gamers is a conspiracy theory
>no okay well it isn't but Blackrock would never push woke agendas
imagine shilling for Lucky Larry Finkelbergsteinowitz on an anonymous mongolian basketweaving forum
lmao

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>>97469584
To be defensive I must be defending something; what am I defending?

>>97469504
>triggered

>>97449385
Something can be more complex and shallower.
if most of the skill is memorization for instance.

i mean the rules aren't that much lighter than 3-7th ed anymore, it's bulked out by a lot of army rules, FAQs and nonsense. your choices are more limited because you don't have options anymore.

it's a corperate game.

>>97469504
Prices are too high
>But mah local store
Prices are too high

>>97443818
Damn dude that’s crazy. Make up more realistic persecution fan fic about your specific lifestyle choice next time.

>>97450851
>$100 million dollars
>fantasizes about James' plastic models
Bitch you could get your own custom miniatures made if you're that rich.

>>97450334
>Is that the shithole
Its a hole for political memes the other holes won't tolerate for reasons I'm sure you can put together without needing another anon to spell it out.

GW's price increases are only half the problem. The other half is army size bloat.
Compare 2k points of a current year list to 2k points a decade ago. Its insane, back then it was like 3 squads, a couple of tanks and a captain. Now its twice or three times that.

I don't buy new stuff anymore. I have a whole collection of random crap I use to play Frostgrave campaigns instead. Just random old GW minis or minis from dead games I bought when I was a teenager/in my 20s has given me like 6 or 7 unique warbands ranging from Warhammer Ogres to Warmachine Skorne and Malifaux Gremlins. Plus a pretty robust bestiary.

I got tired of the treadmill so I hopped off. I suggest others do the same. Theres a whole world of alternates out there.

>>97480067
everything you say here is reasonable, except playing skorne and i think you're technically wrong regarding size bloat.
Army size in 40k is bigger but that's because of the base game size.
ten years ago might be a bit different then you remember, 10 years ago was 7 to 8th.
now if we're talking about 3-5 kinda. 5 definitely was up there.
like 110 for a captain, 280 for 2 marine squads with flamer/missile launcher, 250 for a land raider. not even 100 points.
even in 8th i think my army was 1. knight like. 2 dark apostles and 2 exalted champions, 2 khorne party busses and a khorne party rhino and maybe like a blood slaughter and some cheer leaders.
the game up until 10th was 1500 + a knigga.
then it became 1500 + plus a knigga and your free weapons.
the true cost of older editions is characters and weapons, if you have CSM 14 points for legionary AND THEN +24 to give you a character. and +20-40 for special weapons.-3rd ed codex.
unless you're playing 2nd, 2nd is smaller, everything costs more, characters can take a lot of shit and you wouldn't want a big game anyway.

>>97449486
You can thank stuff like Space Marine 2 for that, and oldfags who told those people about proper 40k, not "nu40k" or how you want to call it

On a sidenote, when will the new Custodes be released?

>>97482596
Just went and counted the model count for my old Badab War era 5th edition space marines, for the 1500 points I get 31 models total; character in terminator armour, librarian, 10 tacticals, 10 terminators, 9 vanguard veterans

>>97463184
friendly reminder that you whole worldview is a psyop by a little known israeli intelligence operative who may or may not have killed himself, or in fact may or may not have even died, after being caught trafficking kids to rich assholes.

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>>97444756
I fail to see your problem
>Early-to-mid 90s
>TTRPGs start to roll into the market en masse
>A book - as in a novel - costs X
>That's about the price of a loaf of bread
>A TTRPG book costs 18-20X
>That's about quarter of the minimum wage and 1/6th of the average wage
>Nobody sane is going to pay that much for it
>Especially when xerox copy of the TTRPG is going to cost you 2X
We managed to bankrupt company importing DnD (part of the reason why it never truly took off), since they were trying to use the original business model in a country that had no economical reality for it.
But since playing games of pretend requires only a place not to freeze and spinning stories together with occasional dice rolls (which either can be ignored or replaced with drawing paper lots from a hat, since sourcing RPG dice was also an issue), the hobby itself took in really fucking well and was at its peak when people had no money whatsoever - it was simply the cheapest and easiest to set up form of group entertainment.

So here applies to good old "company priced itself out of market". Meanwhile making a cardboard token is about 10 seconds per token, so making an entire army takes you what? 15 minutes? Oh wow, what a monumental waste of time that could be used to earn 1 buck! That's gonna definitely allow to 3D print it.

The actual retards are people who throw enormous sums of money on their hobby in any scenario that allows to not do so. Case the point - minis. You can buy company-grade ones for hundreds of bucks.... or you could be buying army men for 5 bucks/bucket and have comparable amount of fun. If the goal is to play the game, rather than collecting plastic, then it takes to be retarded to buy actual minis.
No, wait, this retardation can actually be topped, but it takes zoomers: the idea to self-validate via amount of money you've spend on your hobby, with the concept "higher expenditure = being better".
But I guess piracy is worse than slavery and also kills puppies

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>>97443826
15mm makes GW pricing look like pic related

>>97449385
Complexity vs depth anon

>>97443826
Just buy 3rd party models or 3d print. What's the point of playing a miniature game without any fucking miniatures?

>>97485202
>mossad wants the goyim to be patriarchal white supremacist anti-semites
wtf i love jews now

>>97485209
I know this is not really the point here, but in what fucking country or period a physical paper novel costed as much as a loaf o bread? Even the lowest quality short pulpy slop sold out of a kiosk was never THAT cheap

But also while generally you are correct, a high quality print of a rulebook you like with decent art or high quality minis to paint is a pleasant thing to have. If you're not a poorfag and have all your basic neccesities covered you might as well buy some shit you find cool to make life a bit more enjoyable. There's lots of acceptable middle ground between not spending any more than you absolutely need on the hobby and going full retard consoomer.

And my first RPG rulebook was a xerocopied version of an unofficial pre-release Polish translation of WFRPG 1st ed, so I know exactly where you're coming from

>>97487035
He posted a former Polish minister of defense, so go figure.
But I can confirm this was a norm in a post-commie nations at large. A novel was like 20-30 local bucks, and so much was a large loaf of bread. But a foreign TTRPG was like fucking 700, and more likely to be 900 (for which you could buy a vidya or a few bottles of hard liquor of your choice) - while local books were still like 500 or so, making them only cheap by comparison

>>97449497
>>97449745
"High quality plastics" is a joke, which you'd know if you've ever seen the current state of CGL plastics. Actually now that I think about it, all attempts to make battletech plastics have been kinda shitty.

boy this thread sure stayed on topic.

>>97463571
Mortal wounds are Rending in a hat and they caused the exact same problems.

>>97443818
I've seen some stores get around these kinds of things by charging a table fee or requiring some sort of purchase to use the facilities. Facilities being for paying customers only is pretty standard for most other kinds of businesses, so why do game stores let people shove them around? They don't need to be assholes about it, just ask that people support the store in some way if they want to use its resources.

>>97488045
Not exactly the same.
Rending could ever do 1 damage on a six. Usually you got cover save against them and depending on the edition and version of the rule it auto wounded and ignored saves (but allowed invulnerable saves) or always wounded on 6 and was AP2 (basically ignored armored saves)
It was annoying and too many units had them, but at least some times you could play around them since rarely would a unit gain rending out of nowhere.
10th on the other hand, there is no real defense against them unless your unit has built in defense against mortal and worst of all random units can gain mortal wounds during the game.

>>97443818
He much does a single plastic model cost? How many do you need for an army?

>>97450784
Based.

Enjoying the games without feeding the beast

>>97453879
Open a window

>>97488252
I haven't kept up with modern Age of Sigmar, but I had an AoS 2nd edition 1000 point army that was 92 models. At today's prices it'd be ~580 dollars. The standard army size is 2000 points, not 1000, so double that.

>>97445136
Nah even at official events they dont ban you, nut they will give bonus to anyone who brings official stuff (in 2024 maybe they changed it). The idea is that because so much of the game is free, that eventually you'll buy some official merch. On the other hand, ive never heard of an LGS surviving on wargames, usually its the card whales that keep the lights on

>>97488332
>92 fucking models
>point value today is double that

How do people even stand to play this fucking game, unpacking and setting up 92 fucking minis would kill any excitement I had.

Jesus fuck.

>>97488332
Sounds like a massive horde army now. I think my middling armies were ranging about half of that for a 2k list. Aside from the most dogshit of chaff, everything is at least 100+ points.

My Ogre list is like 50 models because 20 of those are a single Gnoblar unit.

40k is still a fucking nightmare though. Most 1k armies are pushing the same size as 2k AoS lists. AdMech has that famous 1:1 points-per-dollar thing still.

>>97452077
This doesn't exclude pricing themselves out.
Disney makes dogshit movies, and they can afford to, because they get money from licences bestowed upon other big corps that also want to profit from their image.
James Porchop does the same thing. They saw how profitable media are, how unprofitable a real hobby is, so they just keep pumping out vgames (Space Marine 2, Boltgun), movies/series (see warhammer+, no-fanworks policy and seizure of existing works), and books. Miniatures are just a milking cow now, and with enormous brand recognition, they know there's a whale out there capable of buying their stuff. Ever seen reddit posts with people flexing how much they purchased, despite just getting into the traditional game?

>>97450851
the old models will look odd if you just increase their size by 15% rather than resculpting them.
the heads/shoulderpads/hands/etc will look way too big and chunky next to the new models.

>>97497656
You could just check their annual report and see that you're wrong.

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>>97492249
I had a display board I made from steel plates, with magnets in the model bases. pic related

>>97497622
>1:1 points-per-dollar
it's funny, in AoS first edition, before the generals handbook was released, using dollar price as a point cost for units worked surprisingly well

>>97443860
I'd rather they make stuff in china.

>>97443818
Next time you're making shit up remember the rules rewarding a painted army (which you don't have) with points are and have always been part of the game (which you never played).

>>97443860
>How hard is it to just open a factory in NA?
Very. Games Workshop ran a manufacturing plant attached to its North American distribution warehouse in Memphis, Tennessee, for about a decade in the mid-2000s. It was consistently responsible for defective, mispacked or otherwise damaged products including an entire manufacturing run of Shrine of the Aquila terrain sets tha just didn't get enough styrene injected into the plates and wound up missing their windows. Quality control didn't catch it because quality control was non-existent. And that's not even counting the rampant theft. Turnover was continuous and at once point, they were advertising vacancies that didn't even require you be literate - simply that you be able to recognize letters and numbers.

I'm sure you can reach your own conclusion about the demographic forces at play in urban Memphis. Wound up being cheaper to just close up shop and return all manufacturing to Nottingham, outside of some offshoring for things like books and terrain kits to PRC.

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>>97504997
>>97443860
>outside of some offshoring for things like books and terrain kits to PRC.

And shockingly, all the stuff that gets sent to China does -not- get copied. Recasts exist, but they are recasts from consumer sprues, not dodgy mold reuse like you'd expect from China where if you produce something they'll make bootlegs off the same molds. The reason for this is bog-simple though: GW pay a lot of fucking money to their Chinese manufacturers which encourages them -not- to bootleg it and stay loyal whereas say, Hasbro always want to cheap out on it. I'm not a GW arselicker but having had experience with Chinese manufacture this is, in fact, the way you play it.

>Case in point, the Battlefield Trophies kit hasn't had bootlegs produced of it despite being made exclusively in China.

>>97444424
>you must immigrate to derby-on-downshireton if you want to play MY game
Lmao

>>97504997
>Quality control didn't catch it because quality control was non-existent.
Damn GW skimped on basic services to save money then blamed the customer base when their product failed? Holy shit

>>97443818
Got any pics of this smear campaign please?

>>97505163
GW hired the kind of people you can hire in Memphis for minimum wage, and got the kind of work you can expect from the people you can hire in Memphis for minimum wage.

>>97505054
I've bought recast over multiple years.
Since at least 40k 7th edition. 2014 ish.
90% of the time they just ship me resin models but from time to time I get something that is not their usual resin but plastic. It's not the usual GW plastic in quality, it almost feels like failcast.
Either the recaster is slow replacing their old resin molds for plastic injection molds or GW is making more shit in china than they are admitting. And recasters are selling whatever failcast coming out of the factory.
Because at the end of the day you can finish assembling the product in the UK to claim it was made in the UK. Common trick, usually companies do it to avoid some tax or cover some production bottle neck but still want to claim some tax benefit.

>>97463547
Youll never look like that 40k army troon

>>97443826
age of sigmar is cheap as fuck compared to 40k lol.

>>97504997
So GW cheaped out to their own detriment. Typical. Their store managers get paid bare minimum wage, and the higher ups are somehow surprised when everyone in the job position steals or is a lazy fuck or both.

>>97450111
chess has not been computationally broken we’re getting better chess computers every few years

>>97506257
and people will still never play it

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>>97443818
GATEKEEP.
GATEKEEP.
GATEKEEP.

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>>97505870
It's more likely just a plastic resin that is of similar material composition to Finecast- GW aren't the only company that have spin-cast plastic resin. Older Warlord and Mantic stuff was like that. Most Chinese recasters don't actually recast stuff themselves, they have contacts in molding facilities that do it for them and they act as a frontend. This is why you can get the exact same stuff from different recasters sometimes.

GW genuinely do make everything they claim to make in the UK in the UK. It's easy to say they want to lie to teehee save money or whatever but as much of a bunch of wallet-bleeding bastards as they are (and I won't pretend GW aren't eye-watering robbing bastards with their pricing, don't mistake me for a chronic defender) they do actually care about making the best product they actually can AND maintaining their UK manufacturing base because they get incredible tax benefits for it compared to their foreign manufactured items, and they do not want to cheap out on quality because consumer goodwill and quality is all they have.

Even their Chinese-run stuff is eye-wateringly expensive compared to most toy manufacturers, because GW -do- want to ensure they make the absolute best miniatures they can, and to be very frank, GW plastic is probably the most consistent quality miniature product you can get.

People do like to talk about GW as an evil monolith but there were two periods in the mid-2010s (around the time of Finecast and then just before Contrast paints in like 2016) where they were legitimately on the verge of bankruptcy because of terrible consumer goodwill and obscenely low sales as a consequence; like we're talking less than two months of available liquidity. So they DO care about that aspect; it's their mealticket.

>>97506306
This isn't accurate and the truth is actually much worse. Games Workshop North America does pay more than minimum wage for its retail managers (or Hobby Center Operators, since one-man locations without staff are not run by managers), but it's typically on the low end for retail management.

The real trap is that they offer performance-related bonuses for HCOs that exceed their sales targets, which can conceivably bump you up to something approximating a comfortable wage for the kind of work you're doing (I don't care what you read on r/antiwork, some jobs just aren't worth twenty-five dollars an hour), but on the flip they treat a failure to meet those sales goals as insubordination - you've been directed to hit a target and failing to do so results in progressive disciplinary action in the form counseling, then a written reprimand, then termination.

And those targets increase fifteen percent every fiscal year.

This is a huge factor in that classic GW "hard sell" retail experience, because every HCO is scrounging for every possible sale no matter how aggressive it comes across or inappropriate it may be for the customer in question. If little Timmy who is eight years old and has never played with green army men, much less built and painted a model kit, falls in love with Roboute Guilliman Primarch of the Ultramarines because the big robot man is cool and blue is his favorite color, they're gonna try and convince Timmy's mom or dad that Roboute Guilliman Primarch of the Ultramarines is a great place for little Timmy to start his hobby journey, because that's another seventy bucks closer to their daily sales goal - and if you work for GW and have the audacity to tell me that's not true because YOU'VE never done it, you know for damn sure that someone else you work with has.

Cont'd next post.

Cont'd from >>97506586

This is a different issue than the Memphis factory fiasco because, yeah, they're still paying below market for the kind of labor they need, but Memphis is a transit hub and not a manufacturing center - its industrial economy is built around the massive distribution facilities FedEx and UPS maintain there and any warehouseman worth a damn already has a better job at one of them. So that's one strike.

The next is that the kind of niche manufacturing GW does is not highly portable from one industrial job to another, so the kind of labor they needed would need to be retrained on their injection molding equipment, anyway, so why pay a premium to try and recruit experienced factory technicians when you can just train someone up fresh for like half the wage? This is a little more in line with the thesis that GW cheaped out to their own detriment, but let's be perfectly honest, they've never actually been willing to pay competitive wages and have almost exclusively relied on the perceived glamour (I know, it's not glamorous) of working for Games Workshop. It's a privilege to get to play with toy soldiers all day, after all - and they're not afraid to remind you of that.

Which is an issue for industrial recruiting because working an injection mold is not very much like playing with toy soldiers at all, and the kind of people that are good at it aren't likely to be bamboozled into taking an underpaying job for the prestige of making toys for yuppies. So just go ahead and count those guys out, they'll find an auto plant to work at out in the burbs, or one of their suppliers.

Which leaves the kind of dross you get in most shitty entry-level inner city jobs, prone to petty crime, showing up to work intoxicated or not at all l, and getting into fights on the clock - all of which happened regularly at GW Memphis

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>>97506492
>GW plastic is probably the most consistent quality miniature product you can get.
This has not been true for some years now.

>>97505841
Nicki Minaj worked at GW?

>>97488173
I've never seen a LGS that doesn't have some form of "pay to play" rule, even if most will have exceptions for existing customers who already buy from them.

>>97507069
No, sex work is real work.

>>97507121
most LGS that works as clubs, though i don't know if those exist in the states, have some kind of paid membership.

I've recently been curious about different types of paint for base rims.
One of my bigger gripes with acrylic paints for base rims is that they can sometimes feel soft and not durable to the touch.
I've tried out a lacquer paint for painting the rims, it was surprisingly easy to brush paint given how some people online fuss about it not being feasible. Though I should've given more time between layers for better results. I thinned the paint with a lacquer thinner before applying and had to wash my brush in the same thinner to remove the paint. The final coat feels firm, durable, and not unlike bare plastic.
I want to try out enamels for base rims next, though I understand I'll need to give them a LOT of time to cure even between coats. (though the time is completely hands off, so won't be an issue unless I am rushing to finish a squad for a game or something).

>>97509027
Think you may have found the wrong thread, bud.

>>97509037
yep, meant to post this in /wip/