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>>97465270
I can only say that I had the displeasure of sharing the table with some autistic guys trying to play WoD and was dreadful. They should stick to crunchy games so they can bypass the roleplaying part of the game because they're just awful at improvising interactions.

Realms of Atlantasia

>>97465270
>TTRPGs made by autistic people
Almost all of them.

The overuse of the phrase special interest makes me believe a lot of people are self diagnosed.

>>97465270
There was an anon who kept posting his homebrew on here for awhile, I want to say tippyverse, but I might be misattributing that name. I remember orbs were really important to it. He kept posting it, even though everyone kept telling him that it was fucking awful and really shredding him apart every time

>>97465270
Literally every TTRPG was/is made by an autistic person.

>>97465531
Tippyverse was that 3.5 DnD thought experiment for how if you build the world from pure RAW you get weird magitech city states with infinite food/water, teleportation circles, armies of golems, etc.

Every ttrpg I make is made by an autist

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>>97465531
Catgirl orbs?
>>97465270
If you aren't autistic before you start developing ttrpgs,
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>>97465674
Yeah, I thought I was misremembering it. It was a stupid fucking name like that though.
>>97465858
No, I don't remember it having anything to do with catgirls. It was by an anon who had literally never played ttrpg before and wanted to design a system.

>>97465270
This has the same vibe as someone loudly proclaiming that they don't eat pork for religious reasons at a gathering of the Taliban.

MYFAROG

>>97465270
Way to out yourself as a redditor, faggot.

>>97465336
Translation:
>OMgee I liek totes hate autists bruh they don't do funny voices or sing musical theatre songs that fit with their character or even have a long tragic backstory they can talk about at the tavern for a whole session instead of doing boring dumb gamey stuff in smelly dungeons or whatevs

>>97469707
Filthy autist spotted.
>I liek totes hate autists
Well, you are correct there.

>>97469707
This but unironically. Don't get into narrative games if you can't RP to save your life.

>>97469707
go on, tell me more what you'll do with this strawman

what a shit thread

>>97465270
women think having an interest in a hobby is autism

>>97469460
His wife is confirmed autist, but not he.

Why aren't people allowed to just be weird anymore, why does everything need a bunch of labels. Used to live near a guy in his 60's who had a bunch of pidgeons, thats what he liked, thats what he liked talking about in an animated fashion. Bit weird but harmless, dude had a job and a family. Nowadays he'd get 5 fucking labels and be treated like he had severe mental retardation.

Dont like how all these (mostly female) label collectors all write in the same style and think the same, everything in their life must be about being a sperg, having adhd or whatever other welfare state tier mental issues they've got.

>>97469576
This board is reddit central now with Edna and Puckee posting openly

>>97469707
>funny voices, musical numbers, long tragic backstories
>this is what RP is the the autist
stick to video games. Preferably single-player games.

>>97469723
fascinating. now lets see your raads r results

>>97475497
>Why aren't people allowed to just be weird anymore, why does everything need a bunch of labels

you have to have a label so you can get medicine so that ShlomoMed can earn money

>>97476563
>Be weird
>Get sad people treat you different because you're weird
>Ask "why am I weird"
>Get told
>Ask "how do I stop being so weird"
>Get told
>Still get angry and say its everyone else conspiring against you
Stop acting autistic

>>97465858
Underrated post

>>97475566
At least Edna actually talks about games (not vague questions with no follow-up, but actual fucking discussion of actual fucking game mechanics), even if he's autistic as fuck and the games he plays are games I would never want to play. I'll take a dozen Edna threads over a Pucke thread any day of the week.

>>97475566
Touhoufag has been posting here since 2007 you fucking moron.

>>97465270
FATAL

>>97475497
Because modern faggotry is built around whomever has the most labels winning.

>>97465270
VTNL was 100% made by an autist on the hard end of the spectrum.
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/VTNL#System
Just read the rules for rolling dice.

>>97470137
Said by someone who not thinking.

>>97465600
This

>>97469707
If you come to my table and can't sing at least three rocky horror show songs for memory I will brain you with a stanley cup.

>>97465270
I hope all redditors slip in their kitchen and get accidentally decapitated by their most blunt knife

>>97475497
>Why aren't people allowed to just be weird anymore, why does everything need a bunch of labels.
Rumpelstiltskin effect.

For me it's the self-diagnosis. I don't get it. Even if it is just a prelude to a real diagnosis, it results in one studying for their diagnosis, thereby polluting it. It then becomes part of that person's personality or gives them the self-justification to indulge in their dumbest habits, but only when it benefits them.

t. guy who knows a label collector who got an autism diagnosis and became a NEET that excuses every one of their ineptitudes with being autistic while eating only junk food because its a "safe" food, can't drive because neurodivergent (hate that term), all despite not being like this before. Actually turned into an adult failure after quitting college. This person doesn't get into stuff, just forms obsessions with very vapid surface level stuff about characters. "Comfort" characters.

It's a weird form of infantilization and it makes me sad and mad to see. I hate to see someone giving up over imaginary issues when there are people with real mental issues out there fighting tooth and nail to function properly.

>>97466176
For some reason it made me imagine a long uncomfortable silence as every terrorist present in the room is just eyeing the guy suspiciously.

>>97484810
I'm a sperg that was diagnosed at the age of five, and these people bother the hell out of me. Why do they want to identify with an inability to process 90% of body language or handle sudden noises without going apoplectic? I hate the culture of self-spoonfeeding, man. Autism is not a culture, and it needs to cured from future generations so they don't have to suffer this kind of shit.

>>97476563
Correct.
>>97476584
>implying the "solutions" proposed are actually legit
Good goy

>>97484810
There is a notorious youtuber lolcow Andrew Ditch who matches that but is much worse. He is a dysfunctional adult crybaby who terrorizes both his family and authorities with his antics of rage and performative helplessness where he demands rest of the world must accommodate his "autism" and infantile fixations that include blatantly fetishist obsession on diapers. There is online content he made before his "autism" arc, and he used to be able to hold a job and had tech oriented hobbies, and lived a perfectly OK life of a low performing but still functional male. As far as I recall he got obsessive about being autistic and therefore being unable to live like a responsible adult after getting into a traffic accident, so in his case it might be head trauma fuckery.

>>97485058
If I put my thinking cap on, it's because of an increased role in pharmaceutical knowledge, or "knowledge". Doctor-shopping has become a big thing because people want to know more about themselves and want to intrude on the realm of experts to find out what is wrong and right with them. This intersects with the social justice crowd who want everyone to feel included and blah blah, but end up just spreading weird incomplete knowledge of what conditions and disabilities actually are like. We all know the song and dance, suddenly disabilities and mental condition become fashionable, somehow, as well comforting in a "let the rot take you" way. I want to say people are fundamentally flawed, but I wish it were in less of a dumb way.

What truly bugs me os the studying. I discovered my OCD because I went out on a limb, told a paychiatrist I keep the bad thoughts at bay with rituals, and he told me its ocd, a pure diagnosis. I always thought I was nuts and it was agonizing, and even today I'm adjusting my lifestyle and doing my cognitive behavioral therapy and exposure response to get better, while my friend just NEETs it up and is consumed by the rot for a nonexistent mental condition.

It could be worse. As >>97485092 said, there are far worse examples. Thabk you for bringing Andrew Ditch to my attention. I was familiar with the name, but now I know why he's considered a lol cow and now I'm interested.

>>97485058
>Why do they want to identify with an inability to process 90% of body language or handle sudden noises without going apoplectic
Because mental disorders are a fashion accessories these days. They are something you add to your persona to spice it up and make yourself more unique.
People like these don't even think about how hard to is to actually have a condition, nor do they care that they by proxy discredit people who genuinely struggle with something.
It's the same with depression. Oh dude you're depressed, you mean like funny wojak haha wanna kill myself too amirite xD
Actual severe depression is something I wouldn't wish on anyone. And it also puts a strain on all the people who care about you - another thing that disorder collectors don't really think about.

>>97469707
I autistic but I'm an amazing roleplayer.
Because I do it all day lmao. 3 decades of pretending to be normal under my belt, I can pretend to be an elf for an evening, no problem.
>>97465458
I do know a kid who can't have a conversation without switching the subject to planes. Or even be in the room with you without attempting to discuss planes. If you aren't interested he will just speak at you about them instead. Lots of autists aren't actually like that though.

>>97477813
Unironically this. Byron Hall's extreme dedication to finding sources for everything he can, as well as not understanding that he can choose the scope of his game (which is why the game has detailed recipes for in-game meals, but not any instructions for what order to read the book or what processes to run on your turn, you have to figure that out since Byron didn't have the theory of mind to understand how other readers would interpret the book. This makes sense when you consider that it was, according to James Hausler in an interview, a ship-of-theseus from AD&D).

>>97465270
Most designers of simulationist games are probably part of the Broader Autism Phenotype (people who have noticeable autistic traits but aren't legally considered disabled due to those traits not ruining their life enough, not to be confused with self-diagnosers who probably are either neurotypical or cluster-B), and the influx of non-Broader Autistic Phenotype individuals into the hobby is probably the main reason for these problems:
>Midwits who think 5e is too lethal and crunchy (unfortunately all TTRPG players I know IRL believe this)
>GMs who think lying about rolls is acceptable, thus breaking the social contract that enables the game
>Players assuming that video game logic will apply to the game and getting mad when NPCs act in unplanned ways, or when they actually need to use limited resources that aren't class abilities
>Both players and GMs moralfagging and being unable to decouple fiction from reality, especially in regards to certain elements (gore, rape, slavery, prostitution, discrimination) which were part of official settings until recently
>Both players and GMs needing to get to know you before you play the game, removing the convention/meetup/store system which allows introverts to circumvent normie social rituals and just get to the game
>GMs being expected to create content for players rather than just make a world that the characters exist in

>>97485343
>5e is too lethal and crunchy
Too crunchy? I can't even make a proper ninja in it.

>>97485361
One of the worst parts is that, due to 5e abandoning 3e's attempts to make a wide variety of weapons and equipment meaningfully distinct, as well as adopting 4e's trend of homogenizing the way that class abilities work (as opposed to subsystems), any questions such as "how would I make a ninja", rather than being responded with advice for unique mechanics, involve reskinning pre-existing content. 5e players shit on DandDWiki (a homebrew site that is occasionally absurdly overpowered), but it at least carries the torch of avant-garde mechanic design (and also got me into previous editions of the game since I was able to compare their mechanics and determine that 3e was better in nearly every way).

>>97485419
>homogenizing the way that class abilities work (as opposed to subsystems), any questions such as "how would I make a ninja", rather than being responded with advice for unique mechanics, involve reskinning pre-existing content.
While I don't see the harm in clearing up and streamlining the mechanics a little bit, 5e went way too hard with it. And then it added the absolutely insipid focus on just picking all customisation, such as it is, in first three levels. Pick a class, pick a subclass, then nothing. The way the classes are structured, you are basically prevented from mutliclassing. Prestige classes are not a thing. Archetypes are mostly absolute dogshit with next to zero interactivity outside of the designated half-caster archetypes. So any uniqueness comes from reflavoring the base options.
If anything, 5e is specifically anti-crunch and anti-nerd because for 95% of any questions the answer is "just pretend X is Y and disregard any inconsistencies with what you actually want from Y".

>>97485478
>And then it added the absolutely insipid focus on just picking all customisation, such as it is, in first three levels. Pick a class, pick a subclass, then nothing. The way the classes are structured, you are basically prevented from mutliclassing
You should check out Arduin, it's an OD&D total conversion Weird Fantasy game (made in the 1980s as a compendium of David Hargrave's houserules which became their own game) which allows you to mostly customize at what order you get certain abilities, with levels after those abilities increasing their effectiveness.

>>97484810
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>>97485193
diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic here

I hate these people with a fucking passion.

Here I am, taking my shitty meds that make me physically feel like shit dragging my body to a shitty job everyday because the alternative is starving to death and then you discover all of this shit online about those mental toddlers who brag about being "neurodivergent" and you use it as some sort of excuse.

Fuck them.

>>97484810
This doesn't really have anything to do with self-diagnosis, though. People act this way because they treat mental illness as an excuse.

They could have a real autism diagnosis and act like this, or an autism self-diagnosis and use it as a tool to learn how to better behave themselves. There are millions of autistic people, some of them have discovered useful tips and tricks for coping with various issues from it, and even if you'd only score a 50 on the RAADS-R, that stuff could still be useful to you. "Oh, that's why people get annoyed when I do XYZ." "Oh, yes, that trick does help me do things that I find way more boring or unpleasant than most people."

But, the people you're talking about don't want to improve their behavior; they want to act exactly the same (or worse) than they already did, but now they have an excuse.

>>97485921
>People act this way because they treat mental illness as an excuse.
Not entirely. They also do it because being a victim gives them social leverage.
And being a victim of your circumstances from birth gives you the most "Plz no hit me back when I hit you ;_;" points possible.
Being a gay autistic minority in a wheelchair is their equivalent of being a Vestal Virgin.

>>97485720
To be fair, practically no one is going around tagging itself as a schizo, outside of autism claims (because "I'm like shy and quirkie you guys!" is used as a "get out of saying stupid shit free" card) the usual ones are bipolar for women or depression for men, "I'm totally schizo!" is not a common thing to spot.

>>97485419
>questions such as "how would I make a ninja"
I fucking hate people like you.

>>97484810
If someone's doing that they probably are mentally fucked.

>>97485921
>This doesn't really have anything to do with self-diagnosis
Ties in from being able to research what the symptoms are and perform them for personal benefit. Its a multi pronged problem.

>>97485292
Sure, having deep interest in things is certainly something autistic people do but this smells more like a
>im autistic
>hmm whats my special interest
The autistic people I know barely are even aware when they change the subject to their obsession, let alone have the social graces to preemptively let you know they are planning on talking about it. The whole thing is manufactured if you ask me.

>>97484428
>Rumpelstiltskin effect.
Explain.

>>97485921
You are technically correct, and I ended up segueing into a different but related topic. Not everyone is faking their mental illness for the excuse, and many have it while using it to excuse their shitty behavior. Self-diagnosis can teach you good ways to cope with real symptoms and can be used to aid you for when you get an official diagnosis, if you wish to get one.

It is true the person in question might actually be autistic, but the way they collect mental illnesses makes this unlikely, going by previous patterns. The relation to self-diagnosis is that it is an easy way to get social capital, even if medical professionals don't diagnose you with something. Indeed, that can net one more social capital because the big bad doctors are incompetent and only you know your lived experience. Standards loosen, and autism becomes easier to wear as a fashion statement by those most likely to do so. As >>97486558 said, it also can help one in faking symptoms. The person I know would find a diagnosis they think they have, and then would research it intensely, and then tailor their answers and spin their experiences in life to fit this diagnosis before moving on to the next one. This is how previous mental conditions of theirs were found.

Self diagnosis is the label-collector's friend. Regardless of whether this person has autism or not, they are using it as an excuse for shitty behavior instead of learning and trying like most autists.

>>97485720
I get what you mean. One of the reasons I pushed myself to learn to drive was to get my medication on time instead of relying on my parents. My friend takes adhd medication when they wish, sometimes, and still can't drive well into their 20s, relying on other people to get it. Adhd is another condition they self-diagnosed and studied to get a medical diagnosis for. This tells me their brain chemistry is probably fine, and the medication they take isn't one they should.

>>97486263
I'm at a loss on how to help them.

>>97486243
People who like ninjas?

>>97487973
Anon's sailing the seven seas and doesn't want to be reminded of that bloody night in Tortuga.

>>97487631
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/rumpelstiltskin-effect-therapeutic-repercussions-of-clinical-diagnosis/B1F9B31876B3EB2EDB6EEC73D7401919