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Proposition:
Trench Crusade is a mass of public domain concepts bound together by hubris and concept art.
We make our own Trench Crusade.
When people ask is if it's a parody or serious we say "YES".
I call it:
"Kill for Jesus"
But you can call it whatever the fuck you like.
I don't own this idea, it's just bubbling up through the cracks like evil vapour.

First order; what system?
Second order; what playscale?
Third Order; What needs to be done different?

I'm going to torture Google Gemini until it spits out more Crusaderpunk slop.

This topic needs a thread of it's own, because the topic is a live grenade.

When I get back, I want to see retards having vicious arguments about absolute minutiae.

Flat or curved dice?
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>AI slop
man cmon.
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I figure we just smash the Muslims and the Demons together into a faction that's actually cool.
Satanic Jannisaries?
I'd play it.
Shit, you would too for a lark.
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>>97470114
Do I look like John Blanche to you?
I cannot afford art college.
I am honest.
And the robot is free.
Kyrieleis!
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>>97470106
>"Kill for Jesus"
Kill for Christ would sound better.
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Arch and Sargon are not sending his best
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Genuinely room temperature IQ thread
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>Another tangential Slop Crusade thread more active than the general.
Outside of the 5 poor fucks who were early adopters in that general no one plays Trench Crusade so a Trench Crusade knockoff is likely less popular. Just enjoy the trainwreck.
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>>97470205
You are correct.
This is the first demon-jannisary it kicked out; he was pretty cool, but I wanted something that captured more of a lost humanity; there is room for whatever take you want on the core concept.
I later tortured the AI extra hard and got a sequel, which will be forthcoming.
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>>97470308
And here he is.
Also I had to kick the AI for giving it's figures terrible firing discipline.

I like this chap.
He's got a little grace to him.
A "proper enemy", if you will.
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Use of AI art immediately strips KFC of any relevance.
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As far as sad attempts at an excuse to smear AI shit all over the board goes, this has to be one of the most pathetic so far. Stay in your containment thread or go bother some AI about it.
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>>97470106
Based, I'll be monitoring this thread and post anything good I come up with
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If you want to post low-effort Islamophobic agitprop, you don't have to lie about it.
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>>97470460
I have Islamomesia actually.
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>>97470386
And yet, you gave it the recognition of Acronym.
Thank you.
In order to replicate this slop, input the following instructions into Nanobanana under the image generation function of Google Gemini, and kick it 'til it starts giving what you want:

1. The Foundation (Technical Style):
"Maximalist ink-and-watercolor lithograph in the style of John Blanche. Heavy, dense black ink cross-hatching and aggressive stipple shading. Every surface is rendered with erratic, scratchy linework and anatomical grit."
2. The Palette (Color Constraints):
"High-saturation flat blood-red background. Subject rendered in parchment-tan, oxidized lead, and bile-yellow. No gradients—only stark black shadows and flat color fills."

3. The "Living Decay" Rule (Anatomy):
"Living human subjects with extreme gauntness and heavy pox-scarred/pockmarked textures. Not skeletal, but emaciated. Clothing is tattered, greasy, and filth-stained."
4. The Environment (Outdoor Atmospheric Chaff):
"A dripping black sun, swirling soot-clouds, and dense fly-swarms. Ground is a cluttered morass of bones, shattered glass, and rusted scrap.
Otherwise environments appropriate to activity.
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>>97470460
I care more about generating kick-ass demonic saracens than honouring your need to police public spaces.
Come, drink from my fountain.

And now I am off, like a shit in the night
Maybe I shall come back again..
Shazoo!
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Stench of cumstained underwear Chudsade
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>>97470653
lol your projection speaks volumes
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I had one left was ok.
In the next episode of generations I intend to make sure at least some of them have hair.
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I have decided that until there is a better suggestion, the system shall operate on a 2d6, the average of this roll is seven; a sacred number.
This may represent the hit value for an infantryman with no armour, at a nominal range, with no cover or other bonus.
In this schema a +1 bonus is significant.

What is the least annoying LOS model for a skirmish game?
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>>97471073
Oh yeah, and I done a guy with hair.
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ITT: manchild has a fit because people he disagrees with are successful, asks 4chan to be his personal army
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>>97471328
Seethe troon.
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Ok so we need to make the racial hierarchy in the lore very explicit and clear. White christians should be the main hero, Arab/Muslim coded factions should be the obvious demonic Satan worshipping faction, blacks should be a kind of orc race with reliance of melee weapons because historical Africans never successfully adopted firearms, and Asians really have no reason to be in a WW1 based setting at all. I imagine a massive Europan Empire that will encapsulate white cultures all the way from England to Russia. I think it makes sense for the Europan Empire to be generally martially and technologically superior to the demonic and African factions but thanks to insidious long nosed cultists embedded within the Europan Empire, it's ability to fight demonic influence is crippled. They are also working behind the scenes to fight for degenerate behaviors meant to weaken the Europan Empire, so things like open borders, transexualism, pedophilia, homosexuality, all of these are being used by the long nosed subversives to culturally destroy the Empire. Anyways these seem like a good baseline foundation for the lore and should be locked in. Ill leave the gameplay side of things to other people
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>>97471403
Yeah these are all good suggestions.
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>>97470158
>>97470192
>>97470106
>>97470308
>>97470314
I can't tell if this is a troll with the slightest bit of subtlety and creativity or someone that's genuinely developmentally disabled. Good job OP

>>97471403
Then you have retards like this who can't help but be as hamfisted and over the top as possible
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>>97471364
>>97471364
If you could make art you wouldn't use AI
If you could write lore you wouldn't be doing "trench Crusade but I change one thing"
If you could write rules you wouldn't be asking 4chan to do it for you
If you could socialize you wouldn't spend 4 hours making 20 posts in your own thread
If you have no skills whatsoever why should we care?
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>>97471415
Interesting, you don't complain about the lefts hamfisted and over the top propaganda but hate when we do it. ((((Interesting))))
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>>97471403
UMM BASED????
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>>97471403
Well this anon has done the hard part, can't someone else throw together the game part on 15 minutes or so?
Just rip off 40k or Bolt Action, I got a feeling this game will appeal to this audience
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>>97471403
Too on the nose.
Also, gigantic mono-factions are gay.
Crusader states should fight one another, and Europe should be a snakepit, crusaders come from many lands and with many motivations, but they are broadly plunderers or penitent men. Demonic Pashas should vie for control over a blasted landscape; They say Iblis has made peace with his creator, and Allah has tasked him to marshal the faithful.
Those who disagreed have been pushed out to the margins where they scrape by.
Christendom is scattered between The East and The West, and Cathars and other heretics have a presence of their own.
Jews are extinct in this setting.
The first thing everybody did was hunt them all down.
They say the sun turned black after the last one died.
Because that's metal as fuck, and semiotically ambiguous in a deeply chuddish way.

Within this context there is wiggle room for all the shlock you like, or all the anything else needed to tell the tale as it needs to be.
Except Jews.
This setting, as I have said.
Has no Jews.
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>>97471447
Players compare skin color at the beginning of the game
The one who is paler gets a permanent+1 to all rolls
If the skin colors are too close to call, you can use hair then eye color
The players then start rolling dice (the results don't matter, just roll because this is a game)
While doing so, they must list all reasons why every other game is for leftists and troons in a faked British accent
They must also explain why all other game companies will fail because they don't pander to you
The one who speaks louder and faster wins
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>>97471426
Actually within 30 posts this thread has already figured out background lore superior to trench crusade and more in like with old school 40k. Lot of progress made very rapidly
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>>97471475
Again I ask, if it's finr for the left to be on the nose, why do you have a problem with white men using their own weapons against them? Turn around is fair play. That posters lore seems good to me and I'm not sure why you insist on cucking out
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>>97471429
Direcntionbrain got lost on his way to /b/. Funny.
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>>97471491
Thanks; I am literally pulling this shit out my ass.
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>>97471502
Real schizo hours
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>>97471502
Because that's a retard's weapon.
You will hurt yourself with it.
THIS is a weapon.
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>>97470106
RaHoWa already exists.
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>>97471491
Is this lore in the room with us?
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>>97471531
Fuck that. Subtly and subversion are weapons of the Jew. Grow a spine
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>>97471539
No it doesn't.
You can't even play it.
And it's premise sustains at best, a brief racist chuckle.
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>>97471572
Protip; You have to know your enemy to be subversive.
Not just a caricature that suits your own vanity.
Otherwise you only glow.
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>>97470212
Sadly, they are. This is the best they got.
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>>97471631
Reminder that this all started because they put girls in warhammer
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>>97471426
TRVKE
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>>97471686
It's even stupider than that
It started because GW said "don't paint your guard like the SS and show up at tournaments"
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>>97471686
Which they did because it got popular, and got the interest of investors. One reason being youtubers like him making it more known. What goes around comes around, doesn't it?
>>97471690
Truly, saving the company that rejected him. The Jesus of GW.
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>>97471686
This is actually a good point. We should make the role of women explicit and unambiguous, there are 2 camps here and I'm fine with either one

1. Women warriors are fine but they must be scantily clad and generally submissive to make hierarchy
2. Women exist as breeding cattle and factory laborers to produce manpower and weapons of war

I lean towards the latter because coomerism is the gateway to transgenderism
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>>97471757
>Make hierarchy

Male hierarchy*
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>>97471728
They betrayed him by asking him to change his YouTube name
Despicable, truly. They should be lynched because they asked a dude who did nothing but read wiki articles word for word to change his YouTube channel name

Either way it's true, GW is dying without him. They might be posting record profits year over year, expanding the company and putting out the best models in the business but trust me! They're dying and it's all going to come down soon
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>>97471757
Sounds like the perfect excuse for a Cathar subfaction of a broader heretic soup list.
Cathars allowed women to preach in church, and were famously pacifists; in game terms this translates to being squishy wizards and bootleg daemonhosts; handily, there are no Cathars around to object.
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>>97471791
This can only work with certain caveats. Women having power can only be allowed in factions that have been subverted to the side of evil.
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>>97471797
My mistake, I misread your post and it's actually exactly what I already said
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>>97470106
OK dude, go make it. That's what the dudes who made the actual game did. They wrote a game, a real actual game you can go play now. The rules are free. This legit might be the most embarrassing faggoty OP I've ever seen on /tg/.
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>>97471797
>Having power
Formal chain of command?
I can't see it being very thematic.
A nun might accompany a priest into battle, though that would be as an assistant to attend to the dying or help perform litanies of exorcism and protection.

Though the best use of nuns is as objective markers for my money.

I have used up all of my image generations for one night.
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>>97471863
I like the idea
The Muslims and blacks try to rape them and the Christians try to save them, cool game mode
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I agree that women as objective markers and nothing more is a good idea.
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>>97471851
Any bumblefuck with a google account can do what I am doing.
It's fun, you should try it.
Truth is, the task is almost trivial.
It completes itself.
We all know how to make a fucking game by now.

I have decided that base-edge LOS is the most practical solution for now, with cover conferring a +1 for light and +2 for heavy, and for models with weird poses or dynamic rock bullshit going on, just treat them as if they were between 28 and 32 mm tall and standing flat-footed on their base, after suitably chastising and/or congratulating your opponent for their creativity.

Cover bonuses are going to stack pretty heavily with armour, so weapons should be loaded up with range-bracket based bonuses to punch through increased hit numbers.

Jesus, people act like this "Game design" stuff is hard.
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>>97471851
Trench Crusade is funslop
People just play it because it's fun but they don't want to think about how they're selling their race out by encouraging factory fortress
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>>97471403
I agree, this setting is shaping up well.
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>>97471479
seething degen can't help but metagame in his troll suggestion lmao
look scarecrow, you aren't wanted so just leave. don't you have hasbro to keep you company?
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>>97471403
>Asians really have no reason to be in a WW1 based setting at all
We need to come up with a way to have asian women in the setting tho, so they can worship BWCC (big white crusader cock).
Maybe jesuits brought them to Europe, for some reason.
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Seriously, what is up with rightoids and AI slop?
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>>97472093
AI isn't trying to groom kids into self-mutilation and suicide. "Artists" are.
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>>97472093
>Too poor for art school
Now I can just synthesize my fever dreams directly via being overly verbose.

>>97472096
You need to whip it more, demand particular styles and it has more to go off, calling it various slurs and being passive-aggressive also seems to help.
I am not even joking.

>>97472093
It's like a magic retard or an autistic djinn.
I hate it; it is devildry, but it is too powerful not to use.
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>>97472093
Because they don't really care to produce anything of value for its own sake
They just want to make something quick to "own the libs" and move on to the next thing
Just like how they debate and criticize stuff. Come up with a quick quip and not care about the meaning behind it
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>>97472137
"I didn't learn how to make art, I didn't learn game design and I didn't learn how to write but I'm going to blow these industry veterans out of the water! I'm just built different/ I got that dog in me"
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>>97472093
This entire thread is just one schizo seething about trench crusade anon.
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>>97472155
Oh Shekinah; that which resideth in The Mother of God.
Grant this child, Eudaimonia, and cease him his palsy, and drive the ill spirit from out him.
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>>97472137
Neighba, 12 year old girls learn how to draw by doodling in their school books
Take a month, spend some effort scribbling and come back when you stop being lazy
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>>97471403
Hmmm....I'm thinking we should go with an alternating activation skirmish game that makes use of cards, tokens and a command point meta currency. Also make it 32mm to compete in the warhammer market.
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>>97472230
Nope.
I'mma do it right here, right now (when I get more free credits tomorrow, I mean)
I don't want to make money.
I don't even want a credit.
I'm just an asshole, and I'm doing this for fun.
Because the more I do this, the more it proves that you are all faggots who have lost the spark of just -fucking doing something-
I make sprue trees and paint shitty miniatures in my downtime.
And I write, and I dream.
This is just a marvellous tool.
The moment I revealed a trepidation regarding it's nature you tried to sieze on that and make me question my mission.
I have a patch for you.
I made it last week.
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>>97472258
"The more I shit myself the more I prove you wrong"
Holy kek
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>>97472318
Keep the engine hot boyo.
Amadán Abú!
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>>97472258
based as fuck, look that ghoul scream that he is so far from the divine spark
actual wailing and gnashing of teeth
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>>97472258
But you're just making a rip-off shitpost of someone who actually did just fucking do something anon.
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>>97472422
nah
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Alright the task resolution mechanic, I'm fine with your idea of 2d6 but I think we can make it more based. Hows this sound

Target number for any task is always 14
Resolution is always 2d8.
If Roll+modifier+stat equal to or greater than 14=success
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>>97470106
Holy shit I wish I was a fly on the wall when you come down from your ketamine trip
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>>97472422
Going "if I were them I'd have done this instead" is way easier than having an original thought
Yet it provides low IQ armchair designers a feeling of superiority
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>>97472472
2d8 has a flatter curve than 2d6 apparently.
So unironically, the autistic lonely battle axe dice could be a solid foundation.

14 is too high in the scale for a base target number though.
Maybe that's a good cutoff for the max hit value allowable for a normal character though.
That way a character in max armour and heavy cover can only be hit by making 16 an auto-hitting crit.
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>>97472573
>14 is too high

Are you taking into account that modifiers and stats are added to the number? I didn't do the math on this stuff, just wanted to use 1488
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>>97472573
Now by the method I have derived here, actually hitting anything with good armour in cover will rely on stacking bonuses.
Skill at arms should be added to the roll, as well as any weapon bonus to help expensive characters kill more reliably.
A system being this granular would also allow you to have "swarms" of shitty units that move as one can swarm over more "worthy" combatants trying to drag them down; think ghouls or an angry mob of peasants
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>>97472588
To some degree; the important thing I think is that a naked normal bloke at nominal range should have the difficulty to his him falling right in the middle of the chart.
You can add up all the percentages from say, nine, to sixteen, and that would give you the overall chance of success.
And tweak it from there.
Question is; how deadly?
And do we want it to work on "Wounds" like Warhammer/Necromunda/Mordheim? or HP like Mcculloch's Grave-Games?
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>>97470158
crusaders and jihadis forced to begrudgingly (and barely) put aside their differences to fight demons would be significantly cooler
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>>97472645
That's really just a matter of taste and theme.
This is not supposed to be a game about optimism and unity.
It is a game about existential conflict, and irreconcilable difference; the horror, the tragedy, and the bleak beauty.
It's in my own way, a pornography of martyrdom.

You are young.
You have not yet developed a taste for refined cruelty.
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>>97472645
Fuck no. That's leftist globalism incarnate and opens the door to multiculti "LE STRONGER TOGETHER ONLY ONE RACE THE HUMAN RACE" faggotry.
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>>97472669
how banal
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>>97472702
How Jewish
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>>97472669
>It is a game about existential conflict, and irreconcilable difference; the horror, the tragedy, and the bleak beauty.
Seems to be more a game about how much you hate Muslims and want to justify shooting them in the head.
You know this is the racism website, right? You can just say you hate Muslims.
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I prefer to write lore by hand.
So I will expand.

The Caliph died.
He was much loved, and there was big sad.
His sons fought.
One of them was a Sahir of great and terrible power.
He slew his brothers, with the help of Iblis himself, who swore he would make restitution with God, and aid the Muslims; that he would smite the Infidels and purify the land.
And the fool believed him.
Now he is a soul of torment; a man-becoming-devil, who weeps tears of molten iron in the shell of his palace.

His armies are the slaves of the devil, and devil-men, and each is the slave of another, as every man is the slave of Allah, even The Devil, or so they say.
But there are those who would never work with devils, or believe such monstrous perversities.
They fled.
If it pleases you that is a faction template possibility in and of itself.
But it is not the main focus of my developmental goal.
The last remaining holdouts of uncorrupted Muslims would be fighting a desperate battle indeed, and would have to be exceptional guerilla forces.
But they would also be men who have had their hearts ripped out by betrayal.
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>>97472588
holy fuck based nice digits btw
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>>97472258
Based.
We’ve already seen the first big name in Hollywood adopt AI for a movie, don’t let the leftludditoids get you down.
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>>97472729
Did we ever try to conceal that?
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>>97472729
No race or culture is too holy to wear the villain hat.
And if you think they are not, then you are begging the case for exceptionalism.
I am at the least, endeavouring to make them look cool.
Which is proof that I am not motivated by spite alone, but by a sort of creative impulse you consider a weed.
Fie on you.
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The absolute state of your retards
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>>97472786
>No race or culture is too holy to wear the villain hat.
Ok you've just taken the cuckoldpill. I'm out. Enjoy your dead game, race traitor
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>>97472809
Lmao, bye shill.
I'm going to be over here enjoying hot Pope on Antipope action.
Your character is that of a man who isn't intelligent enough order to direct his own performative racism to constructive ends.
It's a poor persona to adopt, because it immediately smells inorganic.
Like you don't see the beauty, so you roll yourself in shit, because you think that's what we like.
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>>97472645
All three would team up together to kill pagan Europeans first
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>>97472856
Pagans are irrelevant in this timeline.
Their gods aren't real because they are metaphors for nature and sheeit.
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>>97472874
On a second thought - "Irrelevant" is the wrong word; their time has passed.
In a way, the "pagans" represent the rational world of nature, reproduction and natural science.
These forces have been blasted off the face of the planet for the most part, but their residual artifacts are evident all over the place.
Archimedian devices, echoes of Rome.
There in the bones of the world, which is our own but at a slant.
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>>97472839
>My racism is performative
>This coming from the guy willing to compromise his racism for this multiculti all sides bad slippery slope

Jewish
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>>97472999
Checked.
However.
I'm intentionally moderating my racism so it can be channeled constructively.
Also, anybody can sin.
This leaves the door open for demonically possessed templars worshipping Mahomet, with Cathar auxillaries, versus The King of France in a European Theater, and the like.
I am in this for the game, pure and simple.
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>>97472645
Nah, I like the idea that each faction cannot unite with the other. Christians working with Mohammedian scum? You must be joking. Might as well join hands with demons.
At the same time no Muslim would fight alongside the sons of jackals
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>>97470106
You could riff off the Second Apocalypse, where damnation is very, very real and certain acts (like learning sorcery) will 100% put you there no matter what else you do in life.
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>>97470106
>Derivative by nature.
>AI slop.
>Motivated by malding.
>Doesn't notice the contradiction in its initial premise.

Either OP is trolling, or OP is brain damaged.
Either way, the magic of /tg/ is probably not enough to get this shit done.
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>>97470106
The days of /tg/ making anything are throughly over as much as I want to be wrong.
But I’ll check these threads anyways. Wish you all all the best.

Though it does make me wonder whether there are some tabletop wargame rules that are “free and open source” to be used and modified into new systems.

>>97470212
Arch is beyond rent free at this point. The obsession with him is surreal and there’s just no excuses for the way it is now.
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>>97474849
I am trolling, brain damaged and deadly serious.
Therefore, nobody can stop me.
My image generation limit resets at Two O'clock.
I'm going to do a focus on Orthodox Christians today, and a scattering of sundry things like Afghan Mountain-Men and Christian Arabs.
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>>97475269
- Two o'clock GMT
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>>97475269
>I am trolling, brain damaged and deadly serious. Therefore, nobody can stop me.
Based.
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>>97470158
Did any of the Mohammedans repent when the demonic nature of their religion was revealed? Seems you should have some non-Satanic easterners.
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This is an SRD document.
Games are made out of numbers.
Numbers Numbers Numbers.
Robots are good with numbers.
Feed the robot the numbers.
Make it simulate a few hundred battles between asymmetrical forces and derive points values for bodies and bonuses based on that.
However, I will first have to build a robust stat system; I have leftovers from abortive projects somewhere I can cannibalize.
I-go-you-go is a no-brainer, except for shitswarms moving as a blob, or command units doing a multi-activation.
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>>97475308
Sure, there's room for that.
My vision however is basically a pareto principle split; The West is 80% aligned with Angelic forces, The East is 80% aligned with the Demonic, and the 20% of the opposite is the remainder.
Also, consider my generation here; >>97471531
Angelic forces gifting weapons to mankind is ambiguously a retreading of some of the events of The Book of Enoch.
And Christendom as in the actual crusades, should expend a lot of fruitless energy fighting itself, as should the Demon-Pashas.
After all, this is a wargame.
My interpretation of the Muslim factions is intended to be broad; maybe Mohammed was tricked by a demon all along, maybe it was his descendants who lost their grace; the why and how, I think, is better left ambiguous; Saracen devils are just too good symbolically to pass over, and they can run the gamut from possessed dynasts, to mortal sorceror-kings, to half-devils, to full devils, and their troops can range from desperate men and unwilling servants, to full-on Demon janissaries who are proud to be the slaves of The Devil.

My take on them is very much influenced by Islam seen through Christian eyes.
Kinda like how Norscan Chaos Warriors are Scandinavian Vikings seen through Christian eyes, in a sense.
I mostly want to make them metal as fuck, and like something you might want to play as or against.
Evil?
Yes, but also metal as fuck.


I think this sort of setting thrives on ambiguity.
Let men writhe in knowing their own benighted ignorance, with only the light of faith to guide them.
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This game and setting is shit. Why is there swords and spears everywhere when everyone is using guns? Why is the sun just bleeding? Everything is a flat wasteland with nothing worth fighting for, not even a tactical advantage over the enemy.
People are wearing chainmail of all things when guns are everywhere ffs. It's like you didn't put any thought into this.
I'm really trying to get into this but it just doesn't make any sense at all, like if there's all these satanic Muslims then why hasn't God just killed them all of he's real? Why isn't America involved in the setting? They'd roll over the sandniggers like irl. Just imagine how cool megachurch navy seals would be. You say it's all about the cool factor but you have nothing here.
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>>97475398
Because it's badass.
I can come up with the rationale post-hoc.
Mostly I want an excuse to kitbash.
Your wish list is however a good shout.
I shall torment the device into generating better kit; I was thinking about ammunition pouches and sidearms this morning.
And I considered tranquility for a moment; >>97470575
And concluded that it will come when you are In The Arms of Christ.
I too yearn for cityscapes and cathedrals.
Maybe I will ask the Djinn to spin me an Antioch.
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>>97471475
>Jews are extinct in this setting.
Then christianity and islam would have some serious structural issues, given that both religions must preserve jews until the end of time.
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>>97475438
What do you think this setting IS?
Does the pitch black bleeding sun not indicate something is up?

I want Knights of St. Lazarus defending a Leper colony at The End of Time.
And in two hours I'mma generate it if somebody else doesn't first.
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"The End of Time shall last forever; and all roads from here run red."
- t. Possessed Heretic speaking evil demon lies.
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>>97475449
If people are still shuffling about and getting married and shooting darkies, time hasn't capital E Ended. Your setting appears to be in the time leading up to the End. During this time, the standard eschatological view of all yahwist religions is that the jews will spawn their christ (which the non-jews will call the anti-christ) and rule the world for a time. After this period of jewish dominion, which christians and muslims believe is mandatory, the real christ will arrive and usher in the End aka. the world to come. It is during this process that the jews will convert to the realTM version of yahwism (so christianity if you ask christians, or islam if you ask muslims), thus proving it correct.

If you're going to fix the errors of TC, don't make the exact same mistakes as them by being unfamiliar with the only thing you're basing the setting off of.
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>>97475527
I'm very familiar with the subject matter.
What I am most familiar with though, is that people will argue until the end of time, and that is the most Jewish thing of all.
People will ask;
>where did the jews go?
>why did The Jews go?
>are there any left?
>no?
>We killed a lot of them, but surely not THAT many?
>Did they deserve it?
>Were we left behind?
>Are we damned men without souls, in a world bereft of God?
>Are these Angels who grant arms unto us, and say "Fight On" really servants of God, or just those who loved man still, after God turned his face away?

Mysteries are great.
What is an answer but a dead mystery?
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>>97475553
>I'm very familiar with the subject matter.
lol
>arguing with me is jewish
lmao even
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>>97475563
Yeah.
Jews love arguing.
Or they did.
Now they are all dead, so there are no more Jewish arguments.
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>>97475269
So you think pretending to be retarded is trolling?
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>>97475577
I'm thinking eight to twelve hours a day about the Grigori returning to earth to arm Christendom, to fight against a demonically possessed Caliph.
I'm almost certainly retarded by somebody's measure.
And you can judge a man by his enemies.
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>>97475567
>Now they are all dead
Then christianity and islam are also dead. It's like taking away the foundation upon which a house rests and when I point out that the house physically cannot remain standing, you call me a jew.
The schizo retard emperor wears no clothes it seems.
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>>97475620
Does it really mean that though?
And I am sorry if you thought I called you a Jew.
You seem however to think that the world would just stop turning without "Jews".
I disagree.
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>>97475631
>Does it really mean that though?
Yes. It's black and white in both the bible and the koran, and is the explicit eschatological theology of all mainstream christian and muslim denominations. If all jews disappeared tomorrow, for whatever reason, islam and christianity would no longer have a way to resolve their eschatology. As I see it, you have two options:
a) Jews are gone. Christianity and islam crumble as a result, and a bunch of different new versions pop up, and these are the factions you use. None of them are straight up christianity or islam, but post-jew successor copes.
b) Jews aren't gone. Now you have to factor them into the setting, since they are crucial to the eschatology of the two main factions and therefore primary theme of the setting.
>You seem however to think that the world would just stop turning without "Jews".
Of course not, but this implies that you conflate the world turning with christianity and/or islam existing. It was chugging along just fine long before the first jew wrote the first word of the bible.
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>>97475653
>Yes. It's black and white in both the bible and the koran, and is the explicit eschatological theology of all mainstream christian and muslim denominations.

Ok, then explain it, as you understand it.
And then explain to me what "The End of Time" should look like, precisely.

I think my take is none the less; the one most accommodating to doing the thing I was already doing.
Which is this.
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>>97475653
>If all jews disappeared tomorrow, for whatever reason, islam and christianity would no longer have a way to resolve their eschatology.
Which is of course why neither of these factions have ever attempted a final solution to the JQ and instead just keep pussyfooting around and passing the circumcised buck around. They are explicitly prevented from solving the JQ by the religions which jews have crafted for them. It's like (((Asimov)))'s three laws of robotics, except we're the robots and they're the humans.
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>>97475659
>explain
I already did >>97475527
>precisely
You can look up the precise details of biblical eschatology on your own time.
>my take is none the less; the one most accommodating to doing the thing I was already doing.
>Which is this.
kek that is indeed true
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>>97475663
My logic goes like this
>Forces of Hell manifest on earth, and core out the heartlands of Islam
>Typically, for right or wrong, EVERYBODY blames The Jews, and people swear they hear them rocks and treed cryin' out
>The Sun goes black round about the time the Jews just disappear
>The Crusades happen shortly after, except Grigori literally manifest and grant the crusaders artifices of antideluvian technology, which is interpreted differently by the various Christian factions.
>Devils mimic these advances
>Time is fucked
>Space is fucked
>Something has gone wrong
>Angels and demons are manifesting
>Everybody is covered in poxes
>Everybody is offended
>And all the Jews are dead
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>>97475681
I refer you to option a) here >>97475653
Go full schismatic. All popes are anti-popes. All denominations are heretical. True(TM) christianity and islam ceased to be alongside the jews, what is left is a theological post-apocalyptic mindscape.
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>>97475696
In case you haven't twigged yet.
I am an outsider looking through a series of lenses.
I am indeed a retard, and I am trolling.
All of this is on purpose.
And I am not going to stop.
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>>97475438
That's not true.
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>>97475734
Yes it is. Read the rest of my posts in the chain, then go ask your nearest priest, rabbi or imam to confirm (he will).
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It begins again
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Neat thread anon. I don't usually like /slop/ but it seems to work decently here.
Main thing about TC that doesn't mesh with my is the scale. People probably find 28-32mm easier to relate to and engage with for conversion opportunities or mostly official display pieces at this point with TC, but that it isn't 6mm and massive waves of cultists and demons and crusaders with tanks made it a lot less interesting to me.
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>>97470106
Okay Rajesh
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And abruptly stops again.
Gemini is being retarded today, and between my trying to get it to point guns straight and it generating excess images, I hate eaten all my credits and have little to show for it today.
But tomorrow is another.
Here's as far as I got trying to generate a siege defense of the Knights of St. Lazarus.
It went through many iterations and many angles, and I have concluded that this thing needs a protractor, and a lesson in relative position.

Even scribbling on it's generations to give it an angle avails it not.

But Djinn are notorious for twisting wishes.
I will be back.
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>>97476271
I forsee this sitting in that sort of "rogue trader" spot of being between a skirmish game and a true wargame, Vehicles are something to think about; I would need to look at the designs of Da-Vinci and mate them to WWI tanks, and try to fangle something legally distinct from an Imperial Steam Tank, then feed it into the STUPID FUCKING ROBOT in a way it's febrile mechanical brain can understand.
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>>97476422
I like this one a lot
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>>97476477
Thanks.
My next iteration would have been to vary up the Jannisaries and cut down some of the demonic traits; I struggled with it cutting off arms and weapons and actually differentiating the bodies of men instead of blending them together in a confusion.

Knights of St. Lazarus, being an order of Lepers, are probably my favourite crusaders; a force of these lads against a force of Demon-Jannisaries would be a great skirmish over a broken wall section.

Here's a take of the Knights of St. Lazarus, but the figures were too mixed up; in retrospect, I should have taken it, it could be a fall-back position.
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>>97471475
Strictly speaking, you need the wandering Jew to still exist. Maybe Cain, but the mark on him does not mean he's immortal, so maybe not if you don't want him.
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>>97476599
I think that's a great idea, Jews are basically Dwemer.
Having The Wandering Jew as a sort of "Yagrum Bagarn" is just adding to the speculation conflagration.
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>>97475748
None of your posts actually say anything. They're all just saying 'trust me bro, the source material and all authority says this'.
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>>97470106
TC proved you can do it anon, but just copying them and saying "this is my version of that" would be like copying Warhammer and saying "this is my version of that". Itll always just be Mile Morales, not Spider-Man. As someone who likes WW1, TC kindof fucks it for me honestly, what are people fighting for even if the world is nothing but blood, shit and mud where non compliance is met with execution, people like that, but I think that this in tandem with the religious stuff is actually what ruins it for me. It just seems like Warhammer if it was model agnostic, like if you could just have IG be whatever you want and people have found alternate models for warp spawn etc. The biggest appeal to most people besides the art was that people could interprit designs for factions however they like for their guys, so if you are to make a setting make it accessible for this. Let people get creative in the setting, but I actually didnt like how far away it gets from the WW1 setting and is just knights with guns and theres monsters, and the "good" factions are all just mud and shit, their homelands are awful and everyone runnign them as a tyrant. Its not for me.

Make something new, again, TC showed you can do it, copying them and saying "its how I interprit these religions instead" isnt it. Do something TC coesnt do.
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>>97477335
>I don't have access to a search engine, a bible or a priest to verify this extremely well known fact
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>>97470106
what's wrong with TC as is? ik there are some balance issues (fcuk off trench ghosts) but i've been having fun playing it
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>>97477865
They dont like that the creator doesnt want to be part of the culture war, and that the string of controversies are a stain.
>models shipped poorly
>theyre doing DMC takedowns of some STLs
>moving to IP protection and making expensive plastic ranges
Its losing sight of why people liked it in the first place. The creator was right to tell people to fuck off for demanding he pick a side in culture war shit, but they shouldve just ignored it rather than used it as a talking point for success, now its all those people talk about and root for the game to fail for the same reason they root for Warhammer to fail.
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>>97477888
ah, I heard a little about that. i'm happy there're going to be plastic models but the pivot to DMC takedowns is really annoying - partly bc i want more people to play the game and it's a dumb decision that just seems to be killing their rep
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>>97477560
Show me where it says that in the Bible. Where it says that Christians are in any way obligated to preserve jews. There's plenty of warnings against jewish fables by the church fathers, but no obligations to them.
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>>97477907
Jesus was a Jew, literally the king of the Jews even...why the fuck would you try and make a setting about religion without even trying to adhere to religion, just make up a new setting for fuck sake and do what you want based on real religions, you can dislike jews but they are integral to Abrahamic religion.
>Fear and Hunger
>developer just copies religion and moves things around and names
>the "jesus" figure was crucified, upon ressurecting he came back and led and army and killed those that killed him and all the kings and became the king himself, and precided over a time of peace, for which everyone now looks back on and aspires to
THIS is how you do it, dont pretend your making the real interpretation of a religion by ignoring parts of it entirely because you dont like them. Just make it up and use it for inspiration at that point.
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I actually see no reason to change the trench crusade rules. It's not the rules that are a problem, it's the lore. Just rewrite TCs lore. It's less work, and allows us to focus on what matters
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>>97471429
When people post shit like "you don't do [x]" I have to wonder how they managed to obtain their interlocutor's post history
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>>97477888
It's only "all people talk about" among Arch's demented fans because he can't get over being snubbed by what he claimed was going to be the based alternative to 40k.
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>>97477907
>Show me where it says that in the Bible.
Why should I teach you a despicable religion which you haven't even bothered to investigate the basics of? Priests get paid for that, go ask one.
>Where it says that Christians are in any way obligated to preserve jews
I never said it said that. I said that the eschatology requires jews to be present, and the implications of that is then naturally that jews have to be preserved.
>no obligations to them
Completely ridiculous. It literally says that you must repay them with material blessings for the spiritual blessings they have bestowed upon you by creating this religion for you.
Read the bible or stop pear-clutching when people who have talk about it.
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>>97477993
I said "all those people" anon. Politics brains seem to have a personal vendetta against the game. There is no woke in the gmae itself, and they call it woke because the creator told them to fuck off when they tried to take the wheel.
>"you need us!"
>is successful without them
All they did was prove they are as fickle an audience as the people they said were a fickle audience that wont support the game.
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>>97478043
>There is no woke in the gmae itself
Anon, the overton window has just shifted so far you're completely used to the water temperature being near boiling.
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>>97478166
Where is the woke in TC the game anon.
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>>97477918
>>97478024
Doesn't take much for you guys to out yourselves.
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>>97478195
The woke in the game itself doesn't matter. The games designers made their politics clear when they banned ArchWarhammer.
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>>97478220
>The woke in the game itself doesn't matter.
fucking lol
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>>97472101
>conversation about AI
>immediately start seething about trannies
Try to let something else, anything at all, occupy your thoughts for just a minute, I promise you'll be okay
>>97472137
>you need art school to make art
jesus wept, there is an 11 year old girl teaching herself to doodle boys kissing with more dignity than you
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>its another low effort slop thread shifted out for le culture war
Don't you people have jobs or families or anything besides your internet brownie points
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>>97478220
Meanwhile he keeps dicksucking warhammer.
>Inb4 h-he made video about how
Still making warhammer videos. GW is actually woke, and that doesn't seem to matter because it brings in the money.
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>>97478204
Worthless response that doesnt refute anything. Im right and youre wrong, thanks for making it clear.

If you make a game about Abrahamic religion you should address Jews rather than exclude them entirely. Shit, do SOMETHING with them anon, make them fucking gold hording demons or something, dont just pretend they dont exist.

>>97478220
Yes it does, all you want otherwise is for the creator to repeat your politics and the game doesnt matter, why would they listen to you at all when all then need at that point is to say based shit, and then make a shit game something else entirely. The game is what youre there for, not the creators twitter feed, this shit hes said isnt even egregious. He is a normie on the outside that does not give a fuck about all this.

Arch liked KCD2 and fought his own audience over liking it, the creator openly called Arch and his ilk right wing grifters when people complained about the rhetcon of making the main character gay. Arch liked that game and fought his audience and had to put out a video trying to win them back, because he was a complete hypocrite
>dont buy woke if the creator is woke, theyve betrayed us! They rhetconned the protagonist to be gay and called us names on twitter. The west is over
>actually this time its ok, we should coopt the game instead, I personally just ignored the woke IN THE GAME, and dismissed the insults from the developer aimed at people like me directly
Hes a hypocrite, everyone has their biases, dont let yours be founded on someone elses knowing they are not always interested in things you will be interested in.
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>>97477918
>>97478024
It doesn't say what you says it does. No one has ever said it does until like 60 years ago, and that makes you mad.
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>>97472966
Half of Europe is still pagan at that time retard
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>>97478304
You still haven't cited anything. You're appealing to fake common knowledge.

Old testament religion is fulfilled and done. The current talmudic jews are slightly older than Muslims. They have no temple and no real connection to Christianity.
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>broken English
>AI images
>multiple Hitler references
>half the thread is about hating Pakis--oops, I mean Muslims
Real jeet hours here
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>>97478204
based noticer, completely accurate btw look at him go
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>>97478195
Women on the frontlines with guns, mate.
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>>97478309
Do you get all your opinions from femboygroyper69 on twitter, or just the ones about your god?
Go
ask
a
priest
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>>97478321
>anon thinks the jew stuff is limited to the old testament
Mexican or underage? Which is it?
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>>97479159
>this post
jewish or reddit? which is it?
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>>97479143
Thats it?
>fight for humanity as hell encroaches
>"dont let the women fight"
Id agree with you if the game was trying to establish that it was realistic and it was saying "WW1 was fought by women" or some shit, but its focus is purely on style over function, that means you get naked women who do acrobatics on the battlefield dual wielding SMGs adorned in cold crosses. Its rule of cool, thats it, why is this woke now.

Do you think fighting games should not have women because in real life men are stronger?
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>>97479151
>>97479159
>defaulting to hurling insults when you can't back up your claim.

>>97479380
Lmao

Getting back to the thread, if jews were around in this version, they'd have to be worshiping moloch or mammon.
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>>97478024
>I said that the eschatology requires jews to be present, and the implications of that is then naturally that jews have to be preserved
Have you considered the possibility that we don't have to manually bring about the end of the world?
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>>97470106
>>97475110
/tg/ still has creativity in it, but making an anti-anti-40k is a fool's errand.
Just make what you actually like. I can think of some good inspo for a grimdark setting but I'm not naming it ITT for obvious reasons.
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>>97478232
This would be a better killshot if anyone played the game in the first place, it's a concept art project about how demons am bad, but religion also am bad.
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>>97479725
Do you accuse writers of saying "religion bad" every time they depict catholics, or an analog of catholics?
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>>97479877
That depends, have you stopped beating your wife?
Also, there are many religions depicted in the game, why fixate on catholics?
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>>97478310
>Monotheists start manifesting supernatural phenomena
Not so much now

The chosen themes for this project are intended to limit the scope, and give it a focused aesthetic and tone.
And that theme is The Crusades and Monotheism.
If you want Paganism, come back when I decide to sloppify medieval Ireland.

Two PM GMT I can resume generating images.
I have pruned the style guide and shall provide an updated Gemini template once it is tested.
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>>97479427
As I understand the setting, it isn't exactly a brief war. Each woman at the front is half a dozen less men at the front (in the next generation). From your utilitarian argument the math is fucked.
>why is this woke now.
Feminism has always been woke. You're just born into it >>97478166
>Do you think fighting games should not have
That's not the topic. I'm just saying feminism is woke.
>should not have women
I never suggested that women existing was woke.

You can have females, and even female combatants in your wargame without it being feministic slop: you need a compelling lore reason and a mechanical difference from male combatants. 40k's SoB come to mind, with them being for all intents and purposes not!SpaceMarines but weaker, and only existing in universe because of a legal technicality.
Or you can have them be objective markers, which is the historically accurate role women have played.
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>>97479687
I don't know what this is supposed to be in reference to. I haven't suggested that this was the case in the post you're replying to.

That being said, since you brought it up, the bible does suggest that its followers ought to bring about the end of the world though. There have been plenty of historical christian and jewish (and maybe muslim?) movements that believed this, and the cartoonish supervillain org chabad lubavitch explicitly teaches this and has men like Zion D and Big Benny jumping through hoops for them.
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>>97470106
>We make our own game on the body of the "we make our own" game
Retard alert

Actual solution: let TC rot in a corner if you dislike it, play it if you like it.
But either way, stop providing it with free marketing
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Honestly man, this is shit and so are you.
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>>97480465
>Each woman at the front is half a dozen less men at the front (in the next generation). From your utilitarian argument the math is fucked.
Why. Who says none of these people had children. The game does not show that its even a common thing to have women on the front either. Its not a 50/50 split of women anon, you know thats not what the game is doing.
>Feminism has always been woke. You're just born into it
Im 35 anon, I saw the change. Its not woke to have female characters in fiction, the difference is in how they are portrayed and the degree of it, and today its just men presented as women and saying "this is real". That didnt use to be how it was done. I swear, people would have issue with Valkeries and Amazonians if it wasnt in established mythology now. Kill Bill is feminist cinema.
>That's not the topic. I'm just saying feminism is woke.
And having women in fiction does not make it feminism.That is an utterly ridiculous sentiment, this shit is getting out of hand. Shit, the depictions of MEN are shit too now, its just more obvious with women because they try to push it as empowering rather than just stupid.
>I never suggested that women existing was woke.
But they just shouldnt be in fiction unless they are depicted realistically? Come on anon.
>You can have females, and even female combatants in your wargame without it being feministic slop: you need a compelling lore reason and a mechanical difference from male combatants.
Genuinely, have you even looked into the game? Nuns cant carry anything 2 handed because theyre weak and have more agility, witches twist a females life giving to that of spawning death in the form of bombs. The prussian leader is a aristocrat with a gun in armour, you dont even need to use a female. The TP leader variant is based on Zipporah, Moses wife, the "first zealot", you dont need to use a female, its simply a particularly devout zealot. The medic cant use weapons at all. This is stuff in the game.
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>>97470106
The fact that you have fags constantly trying to discourage you means you should keep going. Godspeed OP
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>>97480760
>Why. Who says none of these people had children.
I'm not talking about "people", I'm talking about women. Pregnancy is very taxing on women, and there is a significant post-birth recovery period. Assuming you want to breedmaxx so you can recruitmaxx, you need to minimize miscarriages and maximize the ease and efficiency of the pregnancy and recovery period. That means they're not at the front during this time, let alone doing anything particularly taxing like factory work.
Go look at high birthrate populations like the amish or the "ultra-orthodox" jews. They've got 7 kids per woman on average, and their women sure as shit aren't off in the factories or the frontlines.
>Im 35 anon, I saw the change.
No you didn't. What you call woke now is just the latest iteration, but it goes back much further than gamergate.
>Kill Bill is feminist cinema.
Yes, and it's shite.
>And having women in fiction does not make it feminism.That is an utterly ridiculous sentiment, this shit is getting out of hand
>But they just shouldnt be in fiction unless they are depicted realistically?
Who are you arguing against? Read my last post again.
>Genuinely, have you even looked into the game?
No, of course not. It's an art project, not a game. I've looked at the art. Aside from the nun thing, "you don't need to use a female model" is literally feminism. If the rules have any sort of granularity at all and yet don't care about the sex of the model, it's by definition egalitarian (which is what we call feminism when it is to women's alleged "advantage").
>leader is a aristocrat with a gun in armour
>female
>not feminism
bruh
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>>97481314
>have you even looked into the game?
>No, of course not.
And im ignoring everything else, you have no idea what youre talking about but say it needs to change. Youre a secondary complaining about something you dont even know. You say SoB makes sense and is ok, but its not ok here, even though the female specific units are distinctly their own thing here too, you can literally just not use that unit they way you can just not play SoB. You can make your leader a woman if you want, just because they show an example of it doesnt mean that the entire army in setting is like that. Pic related is the actual example of that leader btw, the one I mentioned is an alternate example. The game is made for making "your guys" not playing prescribed characters from a book.

Again, you would piss and shit over valkyries and amazonians if it was only made today. Seems the inclusion of women at all is the problem given that even when it is written to be sensible in the fictional setting it is too far. If this is all it takes to be woke I dont know what to tell you anon, Heavy Metal and Conan are feminist literature, fighting games with skimpy dressed females are just appeals to feminism, I dont know what to do with that other than roll my eyes and leave you to it. I just dont want ugly bull dykes and trannies that are sold as being better than men anon.
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>>97479918
Because there are people who complain about Japanese video games depicting religion as bad, and when you look at the video games they're talking about, it's inevitably one where the bad guys are based on the catholic church. Every time.
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>>97481478
Catholicism is Japan's only real knowledge of Christianity, brought to them by savagely violent outsiders who eventually threatened total destruction of their nation unless they gave them trade goods they wanted for pennies on the dollar.
You think it is something good; for the Japanese, it is the 'faith' of brutality.
They think of Christianity the way YOU think of Islam, and they have as much reason to do so as you do.
>even then, the blatant catholic ripoffs are generally few and far between taking the entire industry in to account, especially now, you just notice them because you want something to be offended about
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Right, pasting the following shit into Gemini's Nanobanana should result in something like this:

"A high-contrast woodcut etching in 17th-century ink style. The image features heavy, jagged linework and dense cross-hatching. The background is a flat, untextured [COLOR] sky dominated by a solid black void-sun dripping vertical black ichor. All textures are pitted, grimy, and weathered. Character features are gaunt and leprous. The art is set on a grainy, aged vellum paper texture. No gradients, no soft lighting. Minimalist, oppressive atmosphere with a strong silhouette and stylized, solid-cloud smoke. High-detail ink-wash aesthetic."
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>>97470106
For the scale I think half company should be fine since it lets you have some of the cooler special units in the game without breaking it. Also for the lore I suggest you have early protestants like Cathars, Hussites, and maybe even Luther, who in this setting are actually as demonic as the Catholic church historically claimed. Also if the guns were basically given as technology to humanity by Azazel then they should look super idiosyncratic and non modern.
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>>97470106
In addition I'm seeing the game mostly take place in the Balkans with Western European nations being mostly aloof and rarely sending troops. At most you'll have Habsburg armies sent there.
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>>97470114
>>97470386
OP's prompts look better than most pencilslop.
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>>97481663
>>97481672
I'm making general purpose "Base Faction" unit profiles right now, out of the stat profile system bits I have left over from another project; sliding the scales up to 2d8 from 2d6 will be a lazy afternoon's accounting, the profiles will be broadly split between Christendom and Islam, with bonuses and special units or kit depending on Satanic or Angelic alignment.
So basically, my intent is to let you do whatever you like.

I'm aiming for a flexible scale allowing between eight and twenty miniatures aside, I give no shits for balance at the moment, and intend on brute-forcing appropriate point costs via machine logic.
I just need Gemini to simulate a few hundred combats against itself.
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Based on this thread, TC did the right thing when they booted schizos.
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>>97481726
Can gemini run Monte Carlo simulations? Impressive if so. For Christendom I suggest undead saints as low level angelic beings.
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>>97481688
The design and aesthetics are at the whims of whatever is produced at random is the problem with AI dictating the aesthetics. If someone was to draw fanart it would look non destinct and generic because that is what the art from AI is, theres no iconic designs or motiffs.
There was actually another attempt to do a WW1 thing like TC because they were dissapointed, but for that everyone was ghosts and it wasnt about religion, it was specifically WW1 and leaning harder into what it was with the melee stuff, so there was still guys with armour and melee weapons. I wish I could remember the name of it but that setting was cool because there was a theme, maybe someone knows what im talking about, everything was misty and ethereal and there was barbed wire trench magic where the barbed wire was like coils of light and you would see these lights around a lot of the designs the guy made, there was a theme the art could stick to because it was drawn by someone with intent. Thats what I would like to see more of for WW1 stuff, something that leans more into the WW1 than the crusades, the crusades stuff kindof makes you question the whole history of the world and even TC kindof fucked this up.

Also reading through, why would anyone play anything other than christians in this lol, everything else sounds irredeemably shit, but at least youll get to play as knights if you play the christians. I feel if someone was to do this they could go farther if they didnt try to literally just be TC; but better, have a motiff or "thing" that is associated with it. Dont just do blood and crosses again. Have literal angels and devils as patrons on the field or something and give them cool designs.
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>>97481756
I asked the thing, and it spake:

>can you run monte-carlo simulations against yourself?

In a literal, technical sense: no, I don’t have a built-in "simulation mode" where I can spin up thousands of instances of myself and aggregate the data into a spreadsheet for you.

However, in a functional sense, we can approximate a Monte Carlo simulation through a structured conversation. Here is how that works and why it’s actually a fascinating way to use an LLM.

How we can "simulate" together
A Monte Carlo simulation relies on repeated random sampling to obtain numerical results. Since LLMs are probabilistic (every time I generate text, I'm essentially picking words based on a probability distribution), we can mimic this:

The "N" Problem: You can ask me to solve a complex, uncertain problem (e.g., "Predict the success of a startup") 10 different times in a single prompt, using a different "persona" or "random seed" logic for each.

Variable Injection: We can define a range for certain variables (e.g., "Market growth is between 2% and 10%") and I can "roll the dice" for each iteration.

Sensitivity Analysis: We can test how much the outcome changes if we tweak one specific input across multiple "runs."

Why it’s better (and worse) than a real simulation
Pros Cons
Nuance: I can simulate "Black Swan" events or human behavior that a standard Excel macro might miss. Hallucination: My "random" numbers aren't truly random; they are biased toward patterns I've seen in my training data.
Speed: We can build a complex scenario in seconds without writing Python code. Sample Size: I can't realistically run 10,000 iterations. We’re capped by my context window (usually 10–20 iterations is the sweet spot).
Reasoning: I can explain why a particular "run" failed or succeeded. No Math Engine: While I'm great at logic, I can make arithmetic errors in the heat of the moment.

Since my post is now full of machine talk, I have opted to draw a saracen devil in mspaint.
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>>97481416
>im ignoring everything else
How are you this emotionally invested in a topic that you can't discuss it with an outsider? You're like a toddler who gets upset that his favourite colour isn't also my favourite colour.
>you say it needs to change
>you say SoB makes sense
>you think the inclusion of women at all is the problem
>you think skimpy dressed females are just appeals to feminism
I've never said or thought anything of the sort. You're entirely inventing arguments whole cloth to get offended by. Reread my posts, stop imagining things and tighten up your argumentation please.
>You can make your leader a woman
Which is feminism. We've already been over this.
>Again, you would piss and shit over valkyries and amazonians if it was only made today.
I don't know what "it" is in this context. Valkyries are spiritual entities like guardian angels, not real life female warriors. Amazons are a mythic people no different from dog-headed tribes. Neither of those have anything to do with the topic.
If you want a real life example (and perhaps the origin of the Amazon myth), you need to look to peoples like the Scythians who seem to have had women learn how to fight to defend the children and elderly as a sort of reserve force for when the men were away due to the specific lifestyle the Scythians practiced. That's not feminist (and thus not woke) because of the aforementioned criteria: a compelling lore reason.
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Village life.
: A woman nurses her dog, while a man argues over prices with a fish.
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>>97481911
Woopsie
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>>97481822
I was trying to discuss it, you said you didnt even know what the game was as youve not even looked into it, how can I discuss this when you are without knowledge of it.
>Valkyries are spiritual entities like guardian angels, not real life female warriors
Yes, and this is a game with literal tangible demons and magic, people are imbued with powers from heaven and there is ressurection and holy smite powers...it is not realistic. Ill explain, maybe youll change your mind if you knew.
The nuns are a specific type of zealot that is female with its own traits, they have stigmata, a phenomena in REAL LIFE christianity that affects mostly women where they claim they start bleeding from their palms like christ, this is linked to women with extreme devotion; like the nuns in TC, and yet, they are still physically weak like women, they just gain divine power associated with stigmata
The medic does not even get a weapon, it has no other notable attributes other than it can use med kits more efficiently, the design itself emulates the nurses of the wards of WW1, when men were sent home when injured it was mostly women attending them because the men were off fighting, thats why its a woman in this role, in saying that, there is a variant that is a man who has more of a combat role and gets weapons.
The others are variants and not specifically female. The whole idea is that you make your guys, not the guys that they tell you to.

I could go on about how women have infact fought in history but youll refute it, and I dont care to argue it as Im not making the argument for why they should be more common, Im simply arguing that its not a big deal that there is a few there, Russians had a female sniper devision in an existential war and one of their most famed tankers was a woman too, or the Order of the Hatchet that fought muslims when the men werent around, but lord forbid if hell marched on earth the women should resign themselves to die when all the men are spent.
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>>97481502
What the fuck does that have to do with Trench Crusade?
If the Japanese have a grudge with Catholicism, fine (and they have less of a grudge than you think, in general. Look at the Fate series).
A westerner being butthurt is just perpetuating a centuries-old version of console wars, and closing themselves off to many interesting portions of western history as a result.
>I'm going to use your own aesthetic, which I find awesome, to tell you how much you suck
Who wouldn't that piss off?
Maybe that other anon is right that Orthodox should be the main focus, Amerifats don't have such rabid opinions about it despite it literally being "We have Catholicism at home".
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>>97481940
Just ignore him anon, it's probably a false flagger going "you have to follow the most retarded interpretation of your own rules or you're a hypocrite".
The idea of not having female warriors in general because of historical accuracy, meaning you can't have female warriors that were historically accurate, is stupid.
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ITT talentless salty niggers whose best idea comes down to "other thing but I can call you a tranny", have fun killing yourself
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I think the idea of the sun being black and dropping black ichor over Earth is pretty cool. Maybe contact with the ichor mutates life. Not satanic but more like essence of entropy.
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>>97481314
filtered lol
one of the best things about people like this is you get access to public forums like this where you can watch them react to their ideology withering in real time
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>>97481940
>I was trying to discuss it
What is this nebulous "it"?
>how can I discuss this when you are without knowledge of it.
The topic that I have been discussing with you is whether female infantryxirs on the frontline counts as woke.
You are offended by the very notion that I am not familiar with the lore tidbits that you are familiar with. This is why you "can't discuss it". I have in no way prevented you from just sharing the lore, but you are emotional over the idea that I don't know what you know.
You know, come to think of it, about half of the population behaves this way...
>Yes, and this is a game with literal tangible demons
But I have only ever mentioned the mortal human females with guns on the frontline, not demons and angels n shieet.
>more gibberish about things that aren't mortal human females with guns on the frontline
Listen, a big juicy burger isn't vegan just because the bread and lettuce is. A piece of media isn't redeemed of its feminist power fantasy just because there are characters that aren't feminist power fantasies. A woman in a man's uniform is a troon regardless of how you slice it.
> its not a big deal that there is a few there,
The topic isn't whether it's "a big deal". It is that mortal human females with guns on the frontline is feminism, and feminism is a part of "woke".
>when all the men are spent.
Is that the setting though? Isn't this a multi-century long war being fought generationally? I don't get the impression that the women are the last defiant stand in Berlin in 1945, but rather that they are just part and parcel of continuous ongoing frontline warfare. The map doesn't show humanity making anything that even resembles a last stand.
>>97481975
I have never even mentioned historical accuracy. You people are completely and quite literally delusional.

...I can't believe there are anons on this Swiss crab fishery forum arguing that a girlboss "aristocrat with a gun in armour" isn't feminist.
We're cooked.
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>>97482498
>their ideology withering
bro seriously thinks feminism will even exist a century from now
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>>97482524
guess we'll see! :-)
just a few hundred years ago the idea of women working as professionals was impossible, they couldn't keep money, own land, divorce. now, in every legal system outside of third-world backwaters, women enjoy equality under the law in all things. i see gender lines in highly-paid, well-respected professions grow closer and closer to being split down the middle every month - some already are. the widespread adoption of modern arms has diminished the importance of physical strength for killers. rwers can whinge about how women should stay in the home all they like, but a politician who even whispers about a law to enforce that might as well brand themself with a scarlet letter for all the support they'll enjoy afterwards.
you're too young, you grew up in this world - you don't even realize how much ground you've already lost!
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>>97482586
>didn't actually filter
kek you just couldn't help yourself, huh
>politicians
bro seriously thinks politicians will even exist a century from now
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>>97482617
'filtered' as in 'you were filtered' not 'i'm filtering your posts'. dumbass...
lol on some hydrodoomer floodfag shit huh
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>>97482624
I don't have enough melanin and/or microplastics in me to understand what the fuck you're talking about.
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The arguments are progressing nicely.
Here is a heretic being burnt at the stake.
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>>97482519
>nebulous "it"
it the game, TC. What were YOU talking about if it wasnt in reference to TC.
>You are offended by the very notion that I am not familiar with the lore tidbits that you are familiar with.
You said something incorrect based on knowledge you didnt have.
>But I have only ever mentioned the mortal human females with guns on the frontline, not demons and angels n shieet.
Which as I point out, was a thing in reality, as it is in fiction, you gave a pass to other stuff, but not here, why is it beyond the pale that it a massive war with hell not have some women involved, even in a deminished capacity. Its two distinct units man, its not a whole faction or army. Theyre even weaker than the male units physically.
>A woman in a man's uniform is a troon regardless of how you slice it.
The clothes are what makes a tranny a tranny? Not the fact they are men that think theyre women, but the outfit they wear? You dont believe this, I know you dont.
>It is that mortal human females with guns on the frontline is feminism, and feminism is a part of "woke".
Theyre blessed by god, I just explained tha they have regen powers via stigmata which is primarily a thing with women in religion, they arent normal, the other one DOESNT HAVE A WEAPON. Why is it feminism to force women to fight and die?
>Is that the setting though?
Yes. Everyone has to make tributes and send them to Antioch and they run out of men in some towns to pay the tribute so they sent women, RARELY, this is how you get the single example of a female lieutenant, she was an aristocrat that was handed the position, otherwise its all men. Also the frontline is everywhere, its not literal hell on earth like the hell areas, nut the fighting is everywhere. Ireland keeps getting attacked by guys coming out of the sea for instance, literally the farthest place from the main frontline, but the trenches are everywhere, granted, the map shouldve made that clearer to be in line with the lore.
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>>97482777
You're beginning to lose your cool beyond legibility, anon. You're also not reading my posts, so we're rapidly spiraling into diminishing returns.
>The clothes are what makes a tranny a tranny?
Yes. A transvestite: a person who dresses as the opposite sex. People are what they do, not what they think.
>Why is it feminism to force women to fight and die?
It seems that we're past the point of reasoning.
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>>97482777
>picrel
>communism
>not woke
Anon, I...
Whatever. You do you.
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>>97482818
So when they take the clothes off they are no longer a tranny?

>>97482822
Were the nazis woke? They had trannies and women fighting too. Is Jean d'Arc woke because she wore armour and joined war? Boudicas rebelion was just feminism, hear me roar? Dissapointing to see its not just the fringe wierdo left that is finger wagging history when they look at it through a modern lense.
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>>97482586
>they couldn't keep money, own land, divorce.
Varies greatly by time and place, look up whig history and then stop believing in it. There's more to history than "it was Handmaid's Tale and then we fixed it".
>>97482822
The soviets were not woke by any imaginable standard.
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>>97482919
1. that wasn't transgenderism, that was comedic crossdressing. everyone did it. it was not a gender statement or propaganda, it was mockery. the nazis also famously burned books on transgerist propaganda.

2. Jean d'Arc as a religious symbol/propaganda = not work and real history
Jean d'Arc as a warrior general badass who led armies from the front = woke slopaganda and fake history
3. yes Boudicas rebellion was feminism.

thank you, next
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>>97483031
Thank Jove, a sane person.
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>>97483031
>that wasn't transgenderism, that was comedic crossdressing.
uhuh. Kindof figured youd make excuses for it, you know ALL crossdressing and drag was take the piss of women, but youll not be charitable, only the nazis did it for comedy and the commies only did it for serious. Still doesnt answer the question; if you think dressing like a tranny is what makes a tranny, if they remove the clothes are they no longer a tranny. Also you ignored the part where women fought for the nazis too. Nazis were woke feminists.
>Jean d'Arc as a religious symbol/propaganda
uhuh. Look up WHY people followed her and rallied when she showed. You have no knowledge of history other than what youve read here. Was she a major fighter who killed people in scores? No. Did she fight? Absoloutely, she was so beloved because she would dive right in with the men, she was the fucking banner bearer, she got trampled and would get up and keep going, and it inspired the men. The whole reason she became a thing was because she picked up a flag and charged the enemy when the men fled. Its the whole reason people follower her, she had the courage to get stuck in, it inspired people to push on. But nah, doesnt matter, she was a woman
> yes Boudicas rebellion was feminism.
uhuh. Not that her husband died, and rather than give his estate to her as is law, the romans instead took it for themselves and gave it to a roman, and then raped her and her daughters before flogging them, just because they werent Roman. She was just upset that a woman wasnt in charge.

You have revealled yourself to be the kind of person who dismisses feats of history because it doesnt align with your modern politics. You are the worst kind of person to talk to about history of any sort, and creative endevours are more about just pushing your poltiics than making something interesting.
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>game has existed for one thread
>instantly full of political shitposting
Yeah, it's a Trench Crusadelike. What's the status of Aztecs in your setting?
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>>97483160
>ALL crossdressing and drag was take the piss of women
holy shit this guy is crashing out
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>>97483204
>everyone doing crossdressing drag shit was trannys, except the nazis, when they did it it was based actually
uhuh
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So this thread is just one guy going nuts right
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>>97483505
Pretty much, yeah.
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I think I came up with something to add guys. Here's my OC, it's an elite corps of women soldiers that are given obedient husbands by the church to maintain their camp while they fight. If one dies, her husband becomes the property of her commander
It is said that they are the most feared force of the faithful nations
Here is Valentina Sevila posing for a painting with her husband Carl washing the dishes on the side
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Lately in the war, the church has approved the formation of so called "pals battalions". Such forces are composed exclusively of same sex lovers because of the theory that it makes the soldiers fight harder
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>>97470106

If I made a Trench Crusade, it would certainly have hogs running amok in it. They certainly lean Evil, but they just run around goring everyone. Some hogs are normal sized, some are horse sized, some are building sized, some may be kaiju. Perhaps there's very small hogs also. All are uncontrollable.
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>>97482204
I like that. That's cool.
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>>97484040
I mean youre taking the piss but;
>men were all sent to die in a previous generation, so there is a lot less of them to the point where there is near societal collapse
>roles switch, women are now expected to fight or they get their heads shaved and are put in the factories. This produces women who are proud to serve and shame those that dont. They are still expected to do the dishes, the same way a man is expected to take out the trash
>men are now a prize women fight to preserve, and prove their worth to
>when men are fielded they are the strongest units, because theyre men. They are expensive assets that wear more ornate outfits and armours compared to the women, have bigger weapons. Since society revolves around them the best resources are used on them, so theyre all chiseled Adonis figures
>the men themselves make up the nobility and aristocracy and women all bay for their attention, and must serve as a measure of their value, as why would a man be with a woman who refuses to serve, even in war, and why would he have just one woman
>generations pass and it just sticks, the men acrue resources to make themselves strong and the weak men wither and die off, or pretend to be women to avoid the gaze of gigachad
>the strong men themselves kill eachother to maintain the status quo, be it in duels or war.
>You do not get to be a man unless you are an actual man, and not just a woman with a dick.The men are hyper competative like animals in the wild, they see one, and that is the enemy that has to prove themselves worthy of being in his presence, let alone around his women
>Pic related is what happens when a man sees another man, if he does not want to get into a fight he needs to lower his head and do the dishes, like a the woman he is.

>>97484091
Spartans?
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ITT: genuine retard battle between sjws and christfags
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OP here.
Cracking shitposts everybody, sadly I've borked my computer by jostling something, and cba to type up prompts on a phone touchscreen.
So I am declaring hiatus until I can wrangle a fix.
Everything generated thus far has been saved; keep an eye out for
>KFC General
Coming soon.
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>>97484091
>>97484040
And subject matter aside, this is a good inplementation of the style guide, and I appreciate the attention you have been paying.

The trick to creating a striking image I find is to limit the palette, and make the linework nice and inky looking.
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>>97470114
>found the soon to be starving artist

How's trying to charge 200 bucks for a black and white sketch delivered three months after you can be bothered to wake up and pick up a brush working out for you?
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>>97472070
Russo-Japanese war was a thing near this time period.
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>>97475269
From the mouths and minds of madmen doth mankind progress
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>>97485399
Bro I just copy pasted what you posted and said "two guys kissing"
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>>97484091
>Kill For Gays
lmao the based chud trooned out before the week was out. Who could have seen this coming?
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>>97486067
And it worked perfectly, thanks for testing it.

A passing wizard fixed my computer, so it's back to business
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And some Demon Sipahi pistoliers.
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Gruel: The Breakfast of Champions.
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>>97475653
>Christians can't get into Heaven if the Jews don't exist
Nope.
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There has not yet been nearly enough discussion of zeppelins. They are extremely cool, and WWI was the first and last time they were militarily relevant. No version of WWI-but-magic-and-demons-and-stuff should be without massive airships for at least one faction.
Thoughts?
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>>97487964
Either play in 6mm, air focused game, or offtable asset. Honestly fuck this entire thread and do a fantasy version of Wings Of War.
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>>97486609
Well they literally wouldn't have access to salvation if it wasn't for jews. Famously
>salvation is of the jews
But we're talking about eschatology specifically. For christ to return, there are a series of necessary steps according to the biblical prophecies. If jews aren't there to fulfill their roles, I guess yahweh could just be wrong. But that would collapse the yahwist religions.
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>254 posts in
>Lots and lots of lore
>Not a single gameplay rule hammered down besides a vague indication that maybe you'll be using 2d6

Major ideas guy energy. Call us back when you've at least figured out activations and actions, lil buddy
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>>97488118
you can't stop KFC, don't even try
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>>97488118
>anon gets more done in 4 days with an ai than Mike Franchina got done in 8 years
ouch
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Anon I sincerely wish you keep making these threads and somehow manage to get a semblance of a ruleset together
That way there can be a retard at my LGS trying to make others play it and we can all laugh at him
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>>97488118
Okay and what's wrong with being an ideas guy exactly?
I have the tools now to realize them easily
Hell, I don't know why I'm even asking for people to help me with rules anyway, I could probably ask Gemini to write up a game system
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>>97490200
>what's wrong with designing absolutely nothing in a game I dont even want to make
>why cant I just have an ai make a game for me
You give literally 0 fucks about making a game and wonder why you get made fun of for it
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Holy shit you're such a fucking loser, OP.
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>>97479714
>/tg/ still has creativity in it
Nobody wants to acknowledge this, but most of it is concentrated in /cyoag/
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>>97492261
>I haven't created a game
By your logic the creators of warhammer didn't create one either because they had a team under them to write the lore and rules
The only difference is I use an AI instead of employees and guess what, AI doesn't try to put homos and minorities in everything
All the great "designers" you can think of are "idea guys"
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>>97492338
The creators of warhammer were that team you dumbass. They weren't idea guys because they actually made and implemented the concepts they came up with. All the great designers are called such because they had the skill and dedication to design something good. You couldn't even be bothered to sketch something yourself and want ai to make up rules for you.
You're not even an idea guy, as you want AI to take away that expression from you too.
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>>97492434
nta
A lot of
>great designers
are called that because they wrote it on their linkden profile and they keep telling people they're great designer.
Dude's making a game world. Good for him. Might go somewhere, might not, but seething about it clearly marks you as exactly the kind of TC problem its infamous for.
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>>97492825
No actually, designers are called designers because they designers. Crazy concept. I dont know what world you came from where people like Rick Priestly and Sean Jackson just soammed the word design on LinkedIn to become associated with games but the tabletop world was created by teams of people who had some level of knowledge of tabletop, as LinkedIn wasn't doing too well in the 70s and 80s.
He isn't making a game world, chatgpt is throwing together a random mishmash of nonsense it doesnt know anything about. He hasn't actually produced anything, and I suggest instead of thinly veiled samefagging you sit down and actually create something tangible about your game OP.
> seething about it clearly marks you as exactly the kind of TC problem its infamous for.
This slop thread was created because TC is woke now o algo lol
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>>97492434
They were a team because they didn't have AI
And "team" is laughable at best
There's a reason you only remember the guys at the top, the hordes of mooks with a pencil are just implementing what the top designer (or "idea guy" as you insist on saying) told them too
At least an AI won't try to dilute my concepts with its own "ideas" like an "artist" would
It's also laughable that you think spending time and on anything makes it valuable as if swimming from America to Europe is better than taking a plane
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>>97492942
They were a team because they were a group of people working on a task. What, you think all tabletop games starting by someone sitting at a desk and yelling "DESIGN" until a rpg or wargame spawned out of nowhere? You think Gary Gygax was just born as "the dnd guy" and thats how he swindled people into designing Chainmail for him?
Some people get remembered more than others because some people know how to market, and some people either dont want to or dont know how to become famous. Art is made when a skilled artist has a vision he can successfully implement, it doesn't matter how hard you yell "DRAW" if the capacity or passion isn't there. You talk about Ai not diluting your concepts but you dont have a concept, its just ai shitting out an image based off an untold number of other images it found online. Ironically it just would have been better for you to have like minded people with similar ideas
>It's also laughable that you think spending time and on anything makes it valuable as if swimming from America to Europe is better than taking a plane
You want to be an Olympic swimmer but think taking a plane will help with that, just because its faster. Kind of poignant.
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>>97492915
>actual tautology is called tautology because its what its called
Okay anon, have a good day.
The concept art for TC sat around for over 8 years before anything happened
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>>97493042
Then you have absolutely no excuse for not making concept art then. Quit wasting your time having chatpgpt make a game and use those 8 years of yours to start writing and drawing.
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>>97492942
Bro what do you think GW was when it started. It was 3 fucking guys.
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>>97493041
Lmao okay anon
If it's so good why don't you go back to your pencilslop thread
Oh you won't because it's full of troons?
Hmmmmm wonder why that happened?
Could it be that a team of "artists" put all that shit in there?
If only there could have been someone with a singular vision to make something good
Oh but that person hasn't been to art college or whatever
Bother, girlcock it is then
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>>97493701
>starts talking about troons outta nowhere
>says girlcock unirionically
Yeah, explains why youre too brainrotted to make anything
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In about 5 days anon has got more of a complete setting and game than the troons in that Cattastraphe general. AI is the fucking future. Gemini will probably whip up a better game than them too
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>>97494532
The guys who always complain about AI have no idea how badly they are going to get destroyed this year. I almost feel bad for them.
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I've seen some retarded faggotry in my times but this is truly on another level
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>>97494664
Oh, did your mom take down the towel you draped over the bathroom mirror?
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>>97494532
>>97494653
Yeah bro you got made fun of and chatgpt made some shitty art for you, that'll really show those trannies that made fun of you in another thread
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>>97494838
The arts better than Cattastrophe yet I don't see you shitting up their general.
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>>97494998
Its a bunch ai spam so it ain't even art lmao, they dont seem to be using Ai so props to them for actually doing stuff
Maybe quit crying that you got shut down in another thread and actually make something if you want a response besides mockery
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>>97495038
I didn't get shut down, I noticed they were falling behind OPs progress and wanted to help them actually get their project off the ground. Not my fault they refuse to use the best tools for the job
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>>97471475
>Jews are extinct in this setting.
that's gay. There should be rogue Hasidic dynasties that have established their own countries instead, maybe with some claiming to be the Messiah and leading warbands into Judea to reclaim it from the goyim.
That would be way cooler.
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>>97495126
>Not my fault they refuse to use the best tools for the job
So in other words they shut you down bad LMFAO and youre still upset about it
Also
>falling behind OP's progress
There's yet to be anything actually made here so thats a lie, and have you considered the possibility that passion projects arent timed races that need to be done as quick as possible but instead works of art where you want to invest time, effort and talent into making something good?
Do you care at all about the game you wanna make, or do you just need an excuse to totally one up another thread that shot you down?
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>>97495156
>Jews
>Fighting their own battles

Big goy energy
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>>97495184
>There's yet to be anything actually made here

Wrong. In the age of AI, designing rules is easy and can be done in 1 day with little user input. It's the art (waiting on tokens) and the lore that's the difficult part. OPs done 80% of the work already now Gemini just has to spit out some rules
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>>97495190
that's what Golems and shabbos goy are for
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>>97495212
>designing rules is easy and can be done in 1 day with little user input
Why would you want less of your input in what is supposed to be YOUR system? Why are you so insistent on having gemini shit something out as opposed to you making something that is yours?
>It's the art (waiting on tokens) and the lore that's the difficult part
Art is literally as easy as applying pencil to paper and lore can be whatever bullshit you can think of to justify your mechanics. Lore being difficult to you just tells me you have absolutely nothing you want to express.
>OPs done 80% of the work
There hasn't been ANY work in this thread, OP hasn't created anything. Even if you wanna call AI proompting work progress OP really did was generate some random images and wrote in random tidbit ideas, the hard part according to you. Again, do you have literally any interest in making a game or do you just feel the need to upstage some other thread but don't wanna put in the effort?
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>>97492942
>the hordes of mooks
you really don't know the history of the great games, do you?
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>>97495360
This has nothing to do with upstaging. I'm an amateur AI researcher that noticed a neat real time test occuring on /tg/ organically and I wanted to study it. Two different groups on the same website, working on similar projects. One team has an immense head start, multiple contributors, making everything from scratch, against 1 man with nothing but AI. That's a fascinating competition to study for anyone interested in AI, and from the looks of it, 1 man with an AI is more productive than a team full of people with a headstart without AI. I think the conclusion is clear.
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We can take a page out of Pillage's book and AI generate a ruleset once we hammer out the setting and theme
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>>97495457
Is that why you were trying to implement AI in the group you cant have AI in for this "study" to work?
>, I noticed they were falling behind OPs progress and wanted to help them actually get their project off the ground. Not my fault they refuse to use the best tools for the job
If youre going to make things up, why not do it to benefit your game instead of trying to save face on 4chan? You keep repeating "look at my progress, look at my productivity" but you still don't have anything to show for it. You keep viewing game design as a race to beat the other thread at some vague notion of a finish line instead of worrying about what you want for your own game, and thats why you fail. The only thing you've done is advertise Cattastrophe, because apparently they make everything from scratch which is impressive and tells me they enjoy what theyre doing.
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>>97495744
>Is that why you were trying to implement AI in the group you cant have AI in for this "study" to work?

I did it because the experiment has a clear result and victor already and I thought I'd help the other thread get it's work off the ground
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>>97495744
Additionally, im not the one writing this game, just a neutral observer
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>>97495755
>clear result and victor already
You realize thats not how studies work right? It sounds more like you picked your own thread as the "winner" and worked backwards to justify whatever it is you wanted. You dont even have a specified "finish line" or whatever the fuck you define as productivity.
Im gonna ask for the third time but I think I have the answer by now, do you have any interest in actually making a game or are you just butthurt you apparently got the boot in a different thread?
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>>97495763
Surejan.wepm
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>>97495779
Again, I'm not the OP.
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>>97495788
>im not OP, I just immediately filled in for him and talk exactly like him
You will do anything except work on your game
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>>97471403
Anon this is supposed to be fiction.
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>>97495795
Firstly, it's not my game and I'm not the OP

Secondly, the game is basically done. In less than a week one man has finished a majority of the work, the only thing left to do is ask Gemini "design me a grimdark 28mm skirmish wargame" and he's done, maybe do one final editing pass but that's it. He's already finished and he'll do it as soon as he gets back, or hell he's probably doing it right now
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>>97495928
And yet I doubt anyone is going to care to play it if it's just something excreted out by ai. Otherwise why even bother making a thread about doing a community thread project of making a game? Why not just start the thread telling everyone to just make a robot make their own variant of trench crusade instead?
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>>97494838
you've lost so badly and you're still here just pissing yourself about it
hilarious
please go throw your fit somewhere where anyone will ever agree with you, like an abortion clinic
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>>97493094
>everyone who calls my idiocy out is the same anon
No. You're just that retarded.
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>>97495928
>the game is basically done
Show me the game, then. If it's basically done, then you should be able to show us some kind of beta rules or at least explain the design philosophy.
Fucking hell, the frenopolis threads at least have a game, as shit and uninteresting as it may be. Fucking Color Tree has more respect from me than you do.
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>>97495928
I've been playing Helldivers and attempting to avoid paying fines.
I'll be back at this later in the week.
I have iterated skirmish games with gemini before, but it never gets the tone right, and it tries to take the ball and run with it like an excited child.
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>>97498465
When will Satanic Hussites be added?
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>>97488118
I have evaded the fine for not paying my loicense.
Now, back to work.
Thus far I'm working by
>2d8 because the curve is a bit flatter than 2d6
>Max innate to-hit score for a unit (defense value) is 14+
>Cover comes in +1 or +2 variety, light or heavy
>Los is from edge of base or 28mm above the base for a "human scale" model (big bois should have more, figure that out however you like) to the center-point of an enemy model; determine cover disputes by staring or dick measuring contest for the moment.
>Skirmish to platoon scale to allow for elite units, modest vehicles or monsters at a large bodycount/points tax
>Generic unit profiles to be modified, I'm going off a four-tier structure for starters
>Rabble, Line, Elite, Command
Rabble would be units like a mob of squires, peasants, pilgrims or bashibazouks or herdsmen, or swarm of rats/tiny biting demons, etc, these would be cheap low-lethality blobs who's morale degrades as they lose members, and move as one, upgrades should be specific to these unit types and carefully balanced, as I feel like they could become imba easily; err with caution.
Next up are your "line" troops"; these are your Knights and Janissaries; these should have lots of faction flavoured options for equipment and abilities.
Above that would be elite choices; this should also include monsters, vehicles, wizards, artillery, those who could benefit from faction choices like line troops should, and in the tier above that is your commander, who should have cool abilities that are faction flavoured and delineate his battlefield role as a support or combat command.

Bear in mind, in a system with a dice curve, small bonuses mean a lot.

Stats should be movement, arms, shoot, cunning, and valour, I reckon.

But I put it to all of you; is a warhammer style "wound" system or a McCulloch Grave-style overrun from attack roll+bonus vs def bleeds to hp system better?
I favour the latter, with a skew to low/no bonuses for hordes.

>Mind the curve
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>>97498536
Gemini refused to generate me an image of hussites eating baby, clearly this is a (((protestant))) conspiracy.
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>>97495928
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>>97497607
"Im basically done making the game" and "i just need to ask AI to make a game" are contradictory statements.
Once again, you have absolutely nothing done. Since you dodged the same question 3 times, you've answered that youre merely upset someone offended you in a different thread. You dont have a vision, you dont have passion for a project, and you dont have a single thing to show for it.
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>>97471403
I don’t know what kind of gorilla brained retard you are, but nobody is going to play your game because it’s ’based’ in the most /pol/ way. You’ve made a setting that no LGS in their right mind would allow. The trench crusade devs are massive retards but the setting itself was never the issue. You’ve somehow made ‘Trench crusade but edgy’ tm
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>"game is totally done"
>"setting is fleshed out"
>no rules or map, thread has died after hitting bump limit
Guys I'm sure he was totally just pretending to be retarded, just trolling and nothing else

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