>>97475157
Why isn't he moaning while he is "hunting" strong young boys with potential?

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>>97475261
GROOMER!

>>97475274
........... You miss the joke, or are bad at playing along.

I'm going to be entirely honest this "power that is useless turns out to be super strong" shit gets tiring after a while because it's never anything clever or interesting done with the actual power.

Yeah no shit the bubblegum guy is strong if he can manifest bubblegum inside people. It could be literally anything and it would still be strong because his power is to manifest shit inside people.

>>97475157
I don't think this comic is true. The problem is that a lot of powers that are introduced as "minor" (eat literally anything, change the color of any object in your line of sight) are in fact super useful from the word go if you aren't writing like a fucking moron, and once you textually acknowledge the ways in which these would be useful, it overshadows the idea that the power was ever supposed to be minor or bad.

Cypher from the X-Men could understand all languages. Then they did this idea with him, saying it included programming languages and at least a couple magic systems. He’s running a cult now. So now who even remembers he was supposed to be weak?

>>97475750
>Cypher from the X-Men
Similarly with Forge who could take tech and turn it into better tech ad infinitum assuming enough time

>>97475740
>it would still be strong because his power is to manifest shit inside people.
Yeah that was my thought too.

Lets go the other way

>Western Power: Can control the weather, creating typhoons and lightning. Treated like a god.

>Eastern power: Can control the wind. Create annoying gusts that ruffles people's hair.

The problem isn't in where it is written, they are vastly different powers

>>97475834
>>Western Power: Can control the weather, creating typhoons and lightning. Treated like a god.
Storm from X-Men has no character growth except maybe she realizes she's not a god.
>Eastern power: Can control the wind. Create annoying gusts that ruffles people's hair.
Mangaman quickly unlocks the ability to fly or some shit and it turns out he doesn't have the F-tier breezy day power but the S-tier spacial manipulation magic that happens to manifest as wind or some shit.

Like how every manga starts out where the protagonist is some no name joe but then iit turns out Monkey D. Luffy's father and grandfather run the navy and the revolutionary army and people named D are hunted by World King Imu as they are descendants of the Sun God, his mortal enemy.

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>>97475750
Firstly
1) Bringing up Cypher as an example of anything is weird because the dude has had several massive unnatural boosts over the years, first by being able to fuse with Warlock to become a superpowerful cyborg, then with being able to have limited telepathic communication/control over a kaijuu mutant island, and then outright being boosted by Apocalypse into his heir
2) That's called power escalation, and that's a narrative problem in general, with pic related explaining everything about it
3) Cypher's power itself wasn't even that weak or unimportant, since on the face of it a kid on a team full of kids with diverse languages should have been massively useful in keeping them from killing each other over miscommunications in translation. It just wasn't that visually impressive.
4) The comic is only technically right in that it IS genuinely a matter of presentation and creativity, but it's not a west vs east thing, it's a "creator intent" thing. It's specifically spoofing how stories like JJBA and Hunter X Hunter intentionally go out of their way for their protagonists and villains to give their powers really stupid sounding powers and abilities to fuck with the reader when they find out how useful they were from the start, like the infamous [Bungee Gum] which has the properties of both rubber and gum...along with a shitload of other properties Hisoka keeps forgetting to mention. The west can do it too, like how Aquaman's ability to talk to fish is always presented as underwhelming until he decides to summon krakens with it or use it to outright shut off your brain by commanding the vestigial parts of your lizard brain left from your fish ancestors to stop working. Or how it occasionally reminds you that Plastic Man is one of the most versatile and thus powerful shapeshifters in DC comics and therefore the one even Batman fears. It's just rarer because cape comics today have some kind of huge leftover shame in how goofy the medium is overall.

It sounds more like a difference in application, either due to the author's intent (or imagination/capability) or the character's. Worm was full of practical uses of "minor" powers.

>>97475914
Honestly Worm doesn't ever really pretend those powers are minor to begin with. Taylor is always treated as having a terrifying A-tier power from the beginning and stuff like her bug clones are just tricks she's coming up based on an already strong powerset.

>>97475852
>no name joe
>Monkey D. Luffy
>D.
>revealed to be the son of some super important guy and the grandson of some other super important guy before even the time skip
>his brother was the son of the most important guy in the setting
The entire idea that luffy was some sort of "underdog" was 100% people being retarded, from the very start, he was shown to be extremely strong, every single difficult situation the crew faced, until the new world, was straight up "stall the current boss fight until luffy can arrive to kick ass".

Luffy was never weak, underdog, or of the sort. His powers straight up made him immune to bullets from the fucking start. This narrative that he had some sort of "weak to strong" progression was nonsense.

>>97475930
Yes, her power's application ramped up after she hit walls like people not reacting to being bitten by a wasp, but there was no shortage of enemies easily dealing with swarms of insects, or looking down on them.
The potential is there for most powers, but the way the author and character use them makes the difference. In other works of fiction, using insects might have just been treated as a nuisance or a funny in a icky way minor thing.

>>97475942
>he had some sort of "weak to strong" progression
Its like people somehow interpreted his lax attitude as being weak.

It's the literal "I got stronger now because I never tried before" trope

>>97475942
I stopped watching pretty soon, but in like the first boss fight he lifted a boulder and crushed it just to show off against...the guy with the claws and glasses I think? There is no way you can say he started weak, even not accounting for his power.

>>97475942
Part of that’s from how Luffy got the shit kicked out of him by Crocodile and was always on the back foot during the Alabasta arc. Cause you’re right, he wasn’t quite an underdog in terms of physical might, just in terms of experience. Taking on a properly prepared and narratively backed foe that actually has Luffy against a wall for a bit is why people still think of him as an underdog to this day even though he long surpassed that by the time Gear Five showed up.

>>97475750
yeah to do a "weak power" right it should be specific and detailed, so the protagonist can use quick thinking and creativity to apply it to new situations without being an asspull (nothing wrong with asspulls but they are the purview of overpowered gods, not underdogs with shit powers), instead of leaving it generic and making it into an instakill beam, a key to infinite power or a vaguely thematic ability that manifest new powers as needed

>>97475157
>Capeshit
"You can make poopies regularly and you don't wee-wee where you should not? Great, you got a job."
>Manga
"Your product is literal shit. Get lost."

>>97475740
To be fair, the manga power that comic is probably referencing, Bungee Gum, is a bit more subtle than that.
Bungee Gum allows the user to endow his aura with the properties of both RUBBER AND GUM, which means it's very sticky and elastic (in fact it can retract and contract at the user's will.) It's basically just sticking a large gob of chewing gum on the opponent and/or random objects so it requires some creativity to use effectively.
The one time it was used internally it was an infamous asspull, the comatose user abused the elastic property to pump his own heart back to life.

>>97476117
what

>>97476220
It seems to be pointing out that Western editors have laxer standards, or that comic authors just have better job security.

>>97476117
You forgot you had to push commie and queer shit onto a character and setting older than their parents and maybe even grandparents.

Where with Manga they can't just take someone else IP and write bad tumblr AU fanfics with them. It has to be all their own shit and is graded against other people own stories and art. So even if they got in for WHATEVER reason they have keep at it cause if they can't keep the readers' interest. They get cut off and get 5-10 chapters to end their story.

>>97475157
Can you name the game you've played or are playing, and how this is relevant to playing that game?

>>97476335
Currently running GURPS supers and my players keep trying to get free points by going "my power is just a weak ability to create light" and then going "but logically I should be able to blind someone by shining a light in their eyes" and I have to go "no bitch you want to blind someone pay for the affliction advantage, it's not even that expensive"

>>97476382
Don't humor him he doesn't know anything about games anyway.

And yes, sometimes the "logically" guys get tedious. There's rules for stuff, we follow them, unless it's some gray area or the game bogs down some way.

>>97476382
When in doubt just use GURPS. Though if you said you were playing ACKS, I wonder if they would flip out and saying it has "too many rules" and all the common BS cause that one ACKS hater doesn't like anything not bending the knee to leftist talking points. (Even if they don't do anything with politics in the game. Just have Tables for anything you might want especially for late game running kingdoms, companies, etc)

>>97476382
That isn't a cultural difference, though, that's just your players trying to get free points without drawbacks.

>>97475740
>is useless
"Seems useless", you ESL.
If there's a use, it can't BE useless, it can only SEEM useless.

>>97475740
It's fine if a power seems weird and weak from your own personal assumptions as the player/reader/etc, then surprises you. But it IS overdone these days that a power is underestimated in the fiction of the world only for it to be THE BEST POWER EVER, ACKSHYUALLEE. Cheap, repeatable power fantasy garbage and hamfisted twists.

>>97476530
DM = Do whatever you feel like. Honestly? When a "well, actually" player leaves, I have a better time with the normal folk left just shrugging off the weirdo.

>>97475942
To be fair, there were plenty of reasons that allowed for Luffy to be framed (messily) as an underdog, even if the story never actually conveyed that consistently or accurately.

A lot of his fights have been ones where he had to get his ass kicked a couple of times before he won them, after all. He's stupid, and throws himself at situations he can't handle, surviving based on plot contrivances before he can go try to punch the bad guy even harder and somehow make it work out this time. In addition to this, he was a lot more vulnerable than some powerful characters for a long time, until the author developed the concept of Haki to help bridge that gap that looked basically insurmountable.

>>97477764
one piece's crowning glory of combat balance is that devil fruits work off of how the user thinks they work.
Which means all the most powerful devil fruit users are, naturally, the dumbest.

>>97475909
Wasn't visually exciting is an understatement, he was killed off because the artist thought he looked stupid during fight scenes.

>>97475930
>>97475943
Worm's the opposite because her actual powers are both far more involved and expansive than the series tells you and the series ignores the obvious limitations of them/has the circumstances of fights in her favor.

>>97477764
>>97478764
"Underdog" is a narrative position. Luffy facing an opponent that can beat him is just having tension in a fight.

>>97476334
>They get cut off and get 5-10 chapters to end their story.
Oh man, let me tell you about GalClea
>in the middle of the "gal who's actually pure" craze
>what if we did Gal Gohan but with cleaning instead of cooking?
>introduce Yamato Nadeshiko student council rival
>"your shit is shit, end it. You get 3 chapters"
>starts doing shit like chapter 8.8 to stretch things out
>randomly reveals that the student council girl was raped, she wants the protagonist to "clean" her (total tonal whiplash)
>ends on a "oh boy, here we go again" note
That dumpster fire was wild to experience in real time.

>>97475157
And yet somehow manga villain will still lose lie an idiot because the hero thought about his friends. Fuck manga.

>>97480231
>ose lie an idiot because the hero thought about his friends
name 3

>>97480747
>Yugioh
but that might be just the "heart of the cards"
>Fairy Tale
I mean they have a theme that always plays when talking about their friends and all.
>Naruto
Naruto was the BIGGEST Sasuke dickrider. I mean even Orochimaru was calling him out for that shit and he groomed Sasuke.
>Black Clover
I mean it's nice that Asta and Yuno are friendly rivals over that classic rival shit but they beating each other off a little much. Also there been many friendship magic BS in that show.
>Digimon
Hell the series two ending it off with Friendship over logic.
Hunter X Hunter
York New City arc, as well as Gon kind of saying fuck everything I'm killing you cause you killed Kite. Also Mugen kind of losing and changing his viewpoints on everything just cause he couldn't beat a blind girl in a board game.

>>97480814
none of them (besides yu-gi-oh and I'd argue that's just the millenium item cheating) actually have the protagonist only win because he thought of his friends.
I'm specifically talking about a situation where the villain should win but then the protag starts thinking of his friends and then he wins, like the original anon talked about.

>>97476190
>Bungee Gum allows the user to endow his aura with the properties of both RUBBER AND GUM
Gum is made of synthetic rubber.

>>97477606
>that isn't a cultural difference
Forgot to mention my players are Mexican

>>97480910
Yes, anon, that's the joke. I'm glad you finally caught up to the rest of us over 25 years later

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>>97476190
>To be fair, the manga power that comic is probably referencing, Bungee Gum, is a bit more subtle than that.
It's actually referencing Air Gear. There's a character in it with a power called Bubblegum Crisis that she uses to suffocate a dude.

Her power is to control water bubbles, not bubblegum though. But other than that, the comic artist lifted the bit whole cloth.

Fucking casuals.

>>97480992
>a character in it with a power called Bubblegum Crisis that she uses to suffocate a dude.
To think air gear started with teenagers competing in flying skates

>>97481010
That shit's not even from the crazy part of the series.

>>97481010
>To think air gear started with teenagers competing in flying skates
Actually Air Gear started with the MC getting a lit firecracker shoved up his ass.

>>97478860
what obvious limitations are you referring to?

>>97480836
Fairy Tail absolutely matches that description.

>>97481015
I still remember how Obama was an important part of the story, after he possessed the body of a teenaged Japanese girl.

>>97481336
alright I gotta read this shit kek

>>97477743
the power fantasies dont even bother coming up with a seemingly weak power these days
there was one where the secretly overpowered power was the power to have as many powers as he wants

>>97475157
not /tg/
but this is because cape comics are based around pulp stories and circus strong men but then had to tone down their content when the CCA happened
so you end up getting stories more focusing around characters solving crimes, and dealing with villains who have contrived plans to do something. feats of strength end up being more simple

battle shonen takes inspiration from tokusatsu and wrestling so characters ANNOUNCING their attacks and being colorful is part of that

>>97483713
I remember one where he could control sand and was kicked from the hero's party because his power was weak. Then they went to a desert.

There was another where the guy just straight up had infinite luck and could literally call up lady luck for favors. Still kicked from the party for reasons

>>97475157
Yeah, for some reason zoomers will seethe at western media doing anything but jap media doing the exact same thing makes them pog their little gourds. Weebs just have lower standards I guess.

>>97483781
most hilarious one I've seen was a dude who did Literally Everything Except Combat. Like, literally everything. Scouting, carrying supplies, setting camp, etc. the party kicks him out, then immediately tries to hire someone to replace him for the exact same jobs. what even was the goal here? anything to excuse the plot for you to hang out with 2 shortstacks I guess.

>>97475909
What's funny is "the city is telling me where the bombs have been planted" actually happens in Disco Elysium and it's pretty cool.

>>97480747
Bleach, Yuyu Hakusho, Flame of Recca, Fairy Tail, Eden Zero, Naruto. Literally every shonen fight will have the hero get bodied for 90 percent of the fight and just decide not too. Not only will manga fights always end on a massive anti climax, they will focus so much on the actual fight that nothing else will happen in the series for months to years on end. They will never solve a mystery, they will never find and defuse a bomb, they will EVENTUALLY save a hostage but it will take an entire arc to even get to them. Fuck manga, fuck you.

>>97483856
>Bleach, Yuyu Hakusho, Flame of Recca, Fairy Tail, Eden Zero, Naruto.
They don't go "I win because friends".
It's digging deep and drawing out your core strength because their friends need them, not just arbitrary power of friendship.

>>97483856
Bleach is less "I win because friends" and more "I win because of eugenics."

>>97475157
Western comics will also have an arc where Bubblegum Chum gets the energy of the big bang channeled through him and becomes a quantum being who blows a gum bubble containing the restored universe after D'arkk Evull devours it.

>>97475740
It's referencing JoJo which has a bunch of stupid powers that are actually creatively used

>>97483868
I'm piggybacking on to this to just straight up ask, do animes perpetuate German WW2 era ideals? Attack on Titan, Bleach, and others just seem... oddly radical.

>>97484270
Until the MC wins with a punch because no reason

>>97484270
It isn't, but I can see why you'd think that. There are plenty of series built around stupid powers being creatively used. JoJo is just the most famous example and you are a filthy casual.

>>97484271
Bleach is more "Ichigo is part everything", if anything he's a super-mutt

>>97484502
These days I'd say MHA is a better example. To the point where I'd almost say that anyone who says they can't be a hero just isn't applying themselves.

>>97481025
Insects are actually very tiny, fragile creatures that are massively affected by environmental conditions. There is only a finite number of them within a given area, non-flying insects aren't very fast, and due to their size they'd need to expend a lot of energy just getting to the fight. Attacking during winter while it's raining could realistically leave Taylor without anything to attack you with through sheer attrition from the weather. Also despite the memes, spider silk isn't some super fiber. We have extant examples of clothing made from it and they're not particularly rugged.

>>97484787
My favorite example is Law of Ueki. MC's starting power is to turn trash into trees.

>>97484793

You forgot "despite how many people with enhanced senses or intelligence she fights, nobody fucking notices the spy bugs in the city with a known terrifyingly competent bug controlling warlord"

>>97485149
Alexandria dying to bugs was the dumbest thing ever. You telling me she couldn't use her super computer-speed brain to figure out choking on bugs was not a winning strategy?

>>97475157
Traditional games?

>>97483856
They hated him because he told them the truth.

>>97483856
>Literally every shonen fight will have the hero get bodied for 90 percent of the fight and just decide not to
A running theme in Yu Yu Hakusho is Yusuke basically holding on for dear life until he can pull an opening out of his ass. The only character that gets bodied for entire fights before deciding not to is Kuwabara and that's repeatedly called out in universe as him just being a dumbass tank build that refuses to die until he wins.

>They will never solve a mystery, they will never find and defuse a bomb, they will EVENTUALLY save a hostage but it will take an entire arc to even get to them
Why the fuck are you shitting on Yu Yu Hakusho?

>>97484271
It was one of the criticisms of the Star Wars prequels at the time, as I recall. That suddenly pulling out Midichlorians and counting them as an enrolment pass/fail de-democratised the Force, made it more about pre-destined bloodlines rather than meditation and 'letting go your conscious self'. That being "strong in the Force" wasn't about your own self-belief, inner calm and training, but how many freckles you had (to overly-simplify forum posts from a long time ago, and an internet far, far away).

>>97484271
The ultimate point of Attack on Titan is that the objectively superior races need to completely isolate themselves from the lower races, because they'll either be genocided or be forced to commit genocide in self-defense otherwise.

>>97483868
It was friendship at first and was "revealed" to be eugenics later.

>>97485492
When was Bleach ever even seemingly about power of friendsip, except in the sense that friends help friends and, say, storming the Soul Society is a lot more doable when you have a bunch of people willing and able to back you up?

>>97475157
Cultural differences are ethnic differences, and race is an expression of biology and evolution. Culture is merely the expression of biology in its interaction with a given environment. People create culture; culture does not create people.

>>97485560
Part of human biology is the ability to adapt to various environments, meaning both physical and social environments, and to learn a variety of different skills and behaviors that are not innate or instinctual. Sure, it's true that cultural variety and differences are an expression of that biological adaptability and ability to learn, but it is pretty straightforwardly untrue that culture doesn't create, or at least change, people.

>>97475834
oh come on, we both know the eastern wind guy will use his wind powers to blow girls' skirts up so he can look at their panties, not just ruffle hair. and then later when the party is fighting the female villainess he'll blow her skirt up to distract her, only for her to say "ohoho, i have nothing to be ashamed of, for I don't even wear panties!" and then while she's distracted she'll get kicked in the face by the female heroine because all the boys are busy staring.

>>97484582
Yeah, it's an elaborate propaganda in favour of hybrid vigour.

>>97485217
Yeah she probably figured that out very early. It's just that realizing it's a bad idea doesn't magically take the bugs out of your throat and lungs.

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>>97485627
You used to get that sort of thing in Western shows too, or at least hinted at off-screen, especially at the more farcical end of the spectrum. It's just that we (read: America led, and the rest followed the money) changed course at some point and they didn't.

>>97485627
Yes anon, the orient only ever produced one thing, and that thing was apparently Ranma

>>97475852
>Like how every manga starts out where the protagonist is some no name joe but then iit turns out Monkey D. Luffy's father and grandfather run the navy and the revolutionary army and people named D are hunted by World King Imu as they are descendants of the Sun God, his mortal enemy.
That's a problem with any long-running series constantly trying to one-up itself, east west
How Hulk started:
>science man gets hit by radiation, turns him into a mix of Frankenstein and Dr Jekyll/Mr. Hyde, story is about science man trying to evade capture and stay calm as not become Big Green
Hulk now:
>Hulk is the living manifestation of RAGE GOD, the COSMIC WRATH is trying to use him to enter reality, setting off the HULK WARS where a multiverse of different colored Hulks fight over which Hulk is the Hulkiest Hulk and will claim control over the HULKFORCE, becoming BIGGEST GREEN. Hulk must use his interstellar alien empire that he earned from punching Alien Dictator Of The Week to death to stop the HULK WARS before they begin.
>also he's secretly the father of, I don't know, let's say spiderman

>>97485766
Literally the exact same applies to Spider-Man and Batman, they're both incarnations of weird totemic gods at this point. It's fucking bizzarre (and mostly ignored, thank god).
Flash might be the originator of this trope, at least the earliest one I can think of.

>>97485766
The funniest part is when the series tries to explain away things that don't make sense with the retroactive powerups.

Like, in One Piece Shanks got his arm bitten off by a giant sea lizard to save Luffy, but now he's an emperor of piratekind and a member of the crew of the greatest pirate of all time, and part of his powerset is a technique that makes you near indestructible.

So now he got his arm torn off... intentionally, apparently? Because there was a mind control seal in it.

>>97475157
How does this affect your games?

>>97476226
Which is profoundly retarded, manga produces slop in absolute droves. It's just specific magazines having super strict standards.

>>97475157
WOW IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE???

>>97486103
No.

See
>>97480992

>>97485350
>Why the fuck are you shitting on Yu Yu Hakusho?
Because it was Spirit Detective for less than an arc then had a MASSIVE tournament.

>>97475157
There's a British TV show called Misfits, it's about teenagers who suddenly gain superpowers. One of the season two villains was a kid who learned how to control milk. At first it was just levitating milk out of glasses, but as he refined his powers he found that he could control basically any milk-based products, which he uses to temporarily cripple most of the main characters after they ate pizza. He took the mozzerella in their stomachs and wrapped it around their brains.

>>97486229
>Because it was Spirit Detective for less than an arc then had a MASSIVE tournament.
1. The first tournament wasn't particularly massive. It was 3 rounds, lmao.
2. The first tournament was a fucking mystery. He was there to figure out who the fuck the disguised demon was.

I assume you're bitching about the Dark Tournament, but that was the 6th fucking arc of the fucking series.

>>97486260
That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. How on earth did it go from the stomach to the brain? There are no direct pathways from one to the other, and by the time it goes to the bloodstream it's not cheese or milk anymore.

>>97484270
Is it really. At most I'd say Jolyne and Josuke are the one using her powers creatively. Jotaro just punches hard, Giorno pulls new powers out of his ass to win, and absolutely none of them have a weak power. Even Johnny who has the ability to shoot his fingernails still is treated as extremely deadly because he essentially has gun-fingers and guns kill people.

>>97486299
This anon has a point. They would more than likely die from the cheese moving than the strangulation of their brains.

>>97486362
They mean shit like Tizzano's stand Talking Head which only attaches itself to someone's tongue and can force them to speak contradictory to what they want to say...which is borderline useless except for, say, disrupting a major criminal trial by making the head prosecutor unable to actually accuse the guilty perpetrator, or for keeping someone from warning his teammates they're under attack by a ghost shark that's about to rip their throat out.

>>97484271
is it really all that surprising? They were an axis power in ww2

>>97475750
>Cypher from the X-Men could understand all languages.
That would still be a really useful power, just not in a universe where the only interaction people have with each other is fighting.

>>97486427
No, I understand your point, but it just seems so thinly veiled, especially in the modern age.

>>97485827
If you read the thread instead of just spamming your tiresome ritualpost you'd know.

>>97483868
and then there’s baki. which is just shonenslop in its purest most refined form. 2 big niggas slug each other without blocking until the smaller one drops, or one uses “martial arts” (throwing sand in the other dude’s eyes, hypnosis, mentally turning into a dinosaur, or something equally retarded) to cinch a victory.

>>97485766
>>Hulk is the living manifestation of RAGE GOD, the COSMIC WRATH is trying to use him to enter reality, setting off the HULK WARS where a multiverse of different colored Hulks fight over which Hulk is the Hulkiest Hulk and will claim control over the HULKFORCE, becoming BIGGEST GREEN. Hulk must use his interstellar alien empire that he earned from punching Alien Dictator Of The Week to death to stop the HULK WARS before they begin.
Thisi s just Gorkamorka

>>97486528
>*reads thread*
>it's just /co/faggotry and tranimeslop
Ahh, mad because nogames

>>97475942
>underdog
Not what I said, chief, I said he started out as a crazy guy openly declaring his intention to be a pirate to the navy and then it turns out his family is basically of central destined importance to the world and its history.

>>97486265
>2. The first tournament was a fucking mystery. He was there to figure out who the fuck the disguised demon was.

yeah turns out it was the guy he was fighting. Scooby Doo was a bigger mystery.

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>>97475157
I promise the weeb who made this image has never read a comic in his life.

>>97486753
He's like 14 years old, recovering from a traumatic head injury, and an F student that doesn't even attend class.

If you want a gripping mystery, read Detective Conan.

>>97486792
It's a surface level reading of both nediums, tribalist retard

>>97486647
And there's the other thing you say. You just say the same things over and over like the retard you are.

>>97480992
Air gear got weird once they made Obama a teenaged japanese girl

>>97485627
>ohoho, i have nothing to be ashamed of, for I don't even wear panties
damnit anon I already fapped today, don't do this to me

>>97486260
>I have telekinesis with perfect precision and unlimited velocity but it only works on [specific material]
>I put a bullet of [specific material] into your brain
>who's useless now?
That's the laziest version of this trope.

>>97485656
I am pretty sure we had scenes of Alexandria fighting Leviathan and Leviathan trying to drown her that happened a lot of time before her actual death. A reasonably smart person shouldn't need to wait until there are bugs inside her lungs to figure out that if her literally only weakness is her need to breathe and your enemies have already tried to exploit it then maybe you should try to incorporate something like a respirator in her costume.

>>97487876
Leviathan tried to drown her and it *didn't work,* she survived. Why should she incorporate a respirator in her suit to combat a tactic that literally didn't work?

>>97486992
2 plus 2 will be 4 no matter how many times you ask.

>>97488039
That's like saying the last time someone tried to shoot me he missed and I survived, so why would I ever need a bulletproof vest?

>>97488066
If someone shoots you and the bullet glances off, then yes, you probably don't need a bulletproof vest. Alexandria got off from the Leviathan fight completely unharmed despite its attempts to drown her.

>>97488314
Yeah, because she managed to overpower him/escape the drowning, not because the drowning wasn't effective. Her thinking that just because she was too strong for someone to physically choke her then her need to breathe wasn't a real weakness was sheer arrogance at best, completely retarded at worst.

>>97488506
Strictly speaking if you have superstrength you should be able to exhale with significantly more force than a normal person.

>>97485766
This was always the problem with manga and comics going for too many years, you start to see some crazy story ruining shit.

Btw the best thing to beat all this shit: do what KH and DMC does and go looking cool and epic and have bad shit insane powers.

Fuck you im gonna do double jumping and dashing so fuck your stupid ass airplane manipulation powers

>>97485656
First of all, she should have figured this out before that many bugs got down her throat. Second of all, as someone with chronic lung problems who oftentimes has a bunch of fluid (and sometimes solid phlegm more solid than your average insect) in my lungs, you'd be surprised what you can cough up, and she's so strong her coughs should have been like shotgun blasts. While enough bugs could possibly fuck that up, once again, she should never have gotten that many bugs inside of her in the first place. Also, from a logical standpoint, she should be able to hold her breath longer than a normal person because only her brain needs oxygen so it wouldn't be going to the rest of her body, but that can be handwaved with arbitrary space whale power bullshit.

>>97486992
Yet you still refuse to discuss traditional games. Funny that.

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>>97476190
>requires some creativity to use effectively
He literally stops bullets and puppets people around with those. I don't think you need to be creative when the power is that strong.

>>97480992
Om was so fucking hot.

>>97486792
Ok, but bringing Ironman to fight Magneto is completely retarded regardless if his powers worked in retarded logic or not.

>>97475909
That comic is just classic medieval magic.

>>97491779
You keep bitching but you aren't going to change anyone's behavior, guess you plan to just keep doing it until you die. Hopefully that will be soon since you're tiresome and contribute nothing.

>>97475750
>change the color of any object in your line of sight
When I was young I though the power to turn water black would be really cool, and now I realize it's useless alone, but in the back of my mind I imagine someone could extort a superstitious third world cargo cult by bluffing with it

>>97475750
Nah, a lot of them is stretching, bending and breaking the rules.
Programming language is already a stretch, since knowing the language doesn't automatically makes you a programming expert, would need to know algorithm too. It's the difference between knowing a language and being a debater.
And by that point, literally any power can become overpowered. Flight? You can fly between timelines and over reality itself. Shoot lasers? Your eyes are actually a portal to the laser dimension and by harnessing its power you become a multiverse level threat.

>>97475852
Ideally, since powers in One Piece are generally not inherited, Luffy's family shouldn't be an indicator of his potential. This isn't Naruto, after all; he didn't inherit some amazing power that's in his blood.

Except that the nebulous power that is Conqueror's Haki, which is supposed to be exceptionally rare, seems to keep showing up in the same families. Not that every member of a family inherits it from their parent; Big Mom's crew would be even more threatening if that were true. But it looks an awful lot like Luffy got the genes, even though the story doesn't outright state that you can get this power in this way.

Though, even having it to begin with still really cheapens the idea that he's an underdog. He was literally born with a latent power that lets him dominate others with his own willpower, and in the later writing is basically a gate that separates the strongest characters from everyone else in typical combat as armor and a power increase. The series didn't look like this at first, and it never had to be this. But it became this.

>>97475261
Kek

>>97475750
This comic talks about how villains are presented; that example doesn't count because he's a hero.

>>97493600
>Your eyes are actually a portal to the laser dimension and by harnessing its power you become a multiverse level threat.
Always funny how Cyclops in X-men sounds really fucking stupid when you remember that his power is shooting out punches from the punch dimension through his eyeballs

>>97475852
>Mangaman quickly unlocks the ability to fly or some shit and it turns out he doesn't have the F-tier breezy day power but the S-tier spacial manipulation magic that happens to manifest as wind or some shit.
That's literally what happened to Storm from X-Men.

>>97493883
No, he's an X-Man, which makes him a gay supremacist mutant nationalist, party to dozens of international crimes and violations of treaty and really faggy fashion parties.

>>97486792
Nah, he read several comics. What he describes happened to several minor villains who weren't popular.

>>97484793
>There is only a finite number of them within a given area
Her range is multiple city blocks. Just from flying insects she has more then enough. And who cares if they reach near death from getting there? They're going to be used as cannon fodder anyway.

>>97493917
Okay, thanks for reminding me about that.

>/tg/ - Traditional Games

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>>97493937
No problem buddy.

>>97493948
Only board you need, dumbshit newfag.

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>>97493282
We need a drawfag to redo the comic with Om instead of the Bubbler.

It could even use her stupid initial appearance for the western part.

>>97486658
No, you said he started as a "No name joe" but he had an important name from the start. Even without the reveal that he's the chosen golden boy or whatever, he's still the son of the biggest revolutionary, and shares a part of his name with the pirate king, and his older brother was the son of the pirate king.
He was never "no name".

>>97485669
Hngg the one in blue kinda...

>>97494295
This implies she was walking backwards this entire time and had a mask with hair on her crotch.
And I'm trying to reason if those thing's thighs are just her boobs or her hair.

>>97494742
>boobs
She's a B-cup at best.

>>97494742
>This implies she was walking backwards this entire time
Her magic roller blades only attack backwards.

>>97494777
Yeah, I was trying to reason with it being an unfinished version, but I don't think he had thought that far.

>>97494808
No, I mean how weird it was to be walking butt first like that and having a mask on your crotch and pretend that it was your face. Even weirded for her group to see her walking around like that.

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>>97494825
I'd be more worried on answering the question of how they talked in that state. Like, were they mute the whole time, were they using ventriloquism, or did people think they were literally talking out her ass the whole time?

>>97493935
The real problem isn't even that they'd die. Insects straight up can't move if things get too cold for them because they're ectothermic and their metabolism is running at a crawl.

>>97495177
And when does she actually get in those sort of situation...? I don't actually recall her fighting in freezing winter at any point.

>>97493871

Yeah I really dislike conqueror's haki. I don't like that it just says "If you don't have this, you can never ever make it into the top tiers". inb4 real-life genetics are like this. I know but it's still a gay trope. Also killer being permagimped with no upside to the smile fruit is very gay

>>97495279
Neither can I, but the other poster referred to winter so I thought it was worth mentioning.

>>97493871
>>97495356
Conqueror's haki is one of the only ones that's interesting, since you can't train it like observation and armament haki.
And it's not genetics either, it talks more about one's personality and will than anything else, it being a born thing is a mistranslation, the character that says it only talks about how rare it is for someone to possess this power.
And Haki slowly became more and more part of the story out of a necessity. Logia were near unbeatable in some cases, and some devil fruit powers were instant kills too (miss goldenweek and Perona comes to mind).
Also, despite a lot of the strongest characters having it (although it's more of an overlap in interests, since those who have the will to rule are also usually stronger than the others to do that), there are examples of characters that doesn't have it and still being really strong: Mihawk, Blackbeard and the admirals (Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru) for example.

>>97485311
Samefagging doesn't make you right, it makes you a fag.

>>97495959
>out of a necessity.
>invincible logia
>instant kill powers

I feel like they could have avoided that necessity somehow

>>97483821
That's also one of The Question's powers.

>>97496017
Logia was already introduced early on, and the idea is that they had a weakness that could be exploited, but they were so specific that it was hard to have battles that wouldn't just end in a rock-paper-scissors situation.
I think the whole idea of Blackbeard's fruit being the ultimate fruit early on was precisely because it was the only logia who could beat all other logias.
Also, a lot of those "instant kill" powers are just funny, and that's more important than the other option of simply not having those to avoid introducing haki as something more common.

>>97495959
>this badly written power is necessary because bad writing caused the author to need it to resolve problems he created

>>97495990
If pretending that everyone who doesn't worship your silly gook tropes is the same boogeyman helps you cope, then by all means, continue.

>>97496081
>badly written power
Why do you think it's bad? Because it's rare?

>problems he created
He made funny powers, but if the story is to be taken seriously, he needs to make a solution that works within the universe. And conqueror's haki has been since the very beginning.

>>97496017
Yeah it really was a grave that Oda dug for himself. He could have simply not made Logia invincible and it would have been fine. Like he could have simply them vulnerable to losing mass. Like if you tore off a chunk of Crocodile's sand he would be wounded.

>>97475852
>Storm from X-Men has no character growth except maybe she realizes she's not a god.
Adaptations have never done her well and even in the comics she hasn't had much character growth in decades, but way back in Claremont's run when she was relatively new she had a ton of character growth.

>>97496169
>Like if you tore off a chunk of Crocodile's sand he would be wounded.
How would that work? Smoker literally becomes smoke. If someone blew on it hard enough, would he just be wounded?
What about Enel who becomes something that doesn't even have mass to begin with?

>>97493871
>seems to keep showing up in the same families.
this probably has something to do with how they raise their kids. i doubt big mom is teaching her kids that they can do anything in life beyond being her minions, after all.

>>97496216
>If someone blew on it hard enough, would he just be wounded?
If his smoke was dispersed over a long distance he would not be able to pull himself together and die. This is a classic weakness for many "made of X" characters across fiction because it prevents them from just being basically unkillable and able to infinitely refresh themselves from damage.
>What about Enel who becomes something that doesn't even have mass to begin with?
He can have some limit and be exhausted by utilizing his powers continuously as he would be expending the "material" he is turning into. People have been doing this kind of character for decades now, Oda didn't have to make every Logia invincible barring Seastone or Haki. That was just a mistake.

>>97496247
I mean Garp wasn't raising his grandsons at all beyond screaming at them and kicking them around, Roger was dead and Dragon was looking east like always. If upbringing is what matters, then Dadan is the one who actually made them have Conqueror's lmao

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>>97496147
>bad? Because it's rare?
Its bad because of basic writing.

A well written power needs to put more focus on the limits and what it can't do

>>97485773
That's different because that's an advanced technique; it makes sense that he didn't learn it back then.
The real problem is that he was retconned from being an ordinary guy to being a super nobleman and even having an evil twin

>>97475157
the difference is one is all a huge retarded club circlejerking and one is a fierce competitive market where new ideas have to stand out

>>97496286
I don't mind the power itself, I even like it, but I do mind how it was retconned to make this ability increasingly stronger and more important to the story.
The final result doesn't bother me, but it changes how the world operates and many parts of the early arcs don't work with this retcon.

>>97496729
Honestly the super noblemen thing is one of my biggest gripes with modern One Piece- it can't really decide what it wants to do with the Celestial Dragons. On one hand it wants the God's Knights and the Five Elder Stars to be actual threats and have weight to them but it also wants them, as a whole, to be a bunch of worthless nepobabies who can barely survive on their own and who nobody will actually miss if they all dropped dead. So we're left with the confused presentation where the Knights are supposedly threatening as an organization and holding back the Revs and they have all these badass lineups and then they show up to fight and they're all fodder.

The Gorosei get these nasty monster forms and they fail to do anything with them and get swept up with trivial ease. God's Knights are getting cut into pieces and getting tossed around by Nico Robin who has zero haki and having to basically be handheld by Imu to do anything or literally in-universe frauds like Garling whose sole wins were against unarmed women and children or dying people. It's like he wants to have his cake and eat it too

>>97496780
Those five guys had to be final bosses with the power level that One Piece had ten years ago, and nothing more.
The Power Creep was a mistake,Marineford was supposed to be the peak of power.

>>97496780
I always thought of it as a chinese palace situation. Most of the Celestial Dragons reaping the actual benefits of such a heavily self-indulgent lifestyle are basically treated like a bunch of rich kids in a playground to keep them from actually bothering to participate in government so they wouldn't even think of using any of their massive wealth to bother influencing anyone or stopping the current regime. Meanwhile, the actual generals with boots to the ground are the ones with actual political and physical power, with them basically being the real powers behind the throne and everyone but the fat cats living in the palace acknowledging it.