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Black hole in your path Edition
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>Thread question:
What's your opinion on having models for psychic powers?
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Let Chaosidolstake this thread!
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>>97496370
I mean, it can't be worse than 10th. If they add any kind of complexity and customization at all it will already have people more interested in list building and theory crafting again than they have been in years.
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>TQ
I like the endless spells concept from AoS but I think it's obvious that they are bad for the game and would be a disaster if something similar existed in 40k. You'd need to bring back universal psychic disciplines and then have a bunch of unique bullshit for all the factions that don't have any psychic whatsoever.
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>>97496344
>TQ
assuming you mean a 40k version of AoS's endless spells?
they're fun sometimes, i'd say the army specific ones are about the right level of fun, gives your casters something to do, and arent too obnoxious. the generic ones were poorly balanced but you do need a baseline default option, especially with GWs tendency to do slow rollouts one faction at a time that take a decade to complete (aos's armies still dont all have their endless spell sets despite being started 3 editions ago)
i would probably put a limit on the number of them that can be present on the table at any given time (aos has a problem right now where your wizards can summon 30 wounds of endless spells to just jam up the field every turn), or make them not have health and not be combat entities like they were in the earlier aos editions where they were less impactful
the models could probably also be a bit smaller (some of the endless spells are redemptor dreadnought size or bigger) and a bit more detailed.
also, dont include incarnate level super spells for matched play, make that narrative only. being able to summon a free 20 wound greater daemon equivalent every turn was obnoxious and became an auto include in 90% of armies for a long time. thats too much
but overall i'd say im for it, psykers feel pretty underwhelming now that they took the lores and proper psychic power casting away, i think the lores and casting should come back, and throw in some endless powers too
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>>97496402
It is, I am talking about quality/experience. Mcdonalds is also on every corner, no one would delude themselves into believing that means the food/experience is better than a Michelin star restaurant.
That's why I have little hope for 11th. This kind of dogshit gameplay sells well, so why change it.
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>>97496462
In age of sigmar they have their little magic system and then GW was adding 'endless spells' which are literally magic spells that have models so you can pay money to spam extra magic. So it's either hyper jewish or a cool way to model magic depending on your perspective, like how AoS also has dedicated terrain for most armies while 40k just has, like, webway gays and those necron obelisks and a bunker or two.
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>>97496370
I just want it to be viable to play dedicated defense with lines of artillery and supporting air superiority fighter bombers, with infantry screens hiding behind an Aegis Wall. Is that so much to ask?
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>>97496493
>hyper jewish
Keep in mind howeverbeit that you can model your own, there's no need to buy James' official endless spell models. They tend to be things like swarms of critters - easy to find some bag of cheap plastic critter toys and glue them together - or big shadowy orb - easy to make from polystyrene or similar - as a couple examples. They're only super jewish to the hobbylets.
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I don't think other anon did a great job of explaining what they actually are, they're spells you cast that then stay on the board in play. Like magically spawning a small horde of creatures or some magical weather effect, so they need a base and physical representation in the game which on subsequent turns has rules to move around and interact with units.
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>>97496547
Alright fine, your turn now.
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>>97496563
Sure.
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>>97496577
Man that book was such a downgrade from the 3.5 CSM book. That might be the best codex of all time from any edition.
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>>97496577
fight fight fight fight fight fight fight!
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>>97496577
Alright well then. Let's assume you did play back then. Would you agree that 40k today is fundamentally a different game from what 40k was back then? I mean just the game itself, ignore the lore, community, background etc.
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>>97496587
I had parents who instilled a sense of preserving what I have, all my volumes of berserk and Akira are pristine too despite constant rereada
>>97496600
I wouldn't know, I'll take your word for it
>>97496611
Yeah, and it's a fine game still, I play 3 times a month with friends in my living room
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Post (You)r backlog and one anon will pick a model for you to assemble paint! This month's backlog models will go in an end of the month collage ! Gl hf modelchads !
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>>97496678
do it anon dont be a backlog tyranny be a based modelchad who participates in the hobby.....
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Everyone says they're Space Vikings, but I see Space Norscans more than Vikings, especially during the GC.
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>>97496370
To me the biggest problem is how anti imagination the game is now. And most of that stems from the rule they've implemented where every unit has to be 1 to 1 represented by a box.
I don't see them repealing that.
They love to nostalgia bait though, my hope is that that'll make them bring back a few old and fun rules.
But in general I don't see them repealing any of the boardgamey nonsense in the game right now.
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>>97496725
what in the fuck are you talking about schizo ? im trying to encourage and give anons incentive to start chipping thru their backlogs of models
post yours by the way secondary (u wont)
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>>97496664
My pile is far too shameful but you can pick from these things I'm trying to clear out:
1. Secret Santa gift from two Santas ago
2. Felinid Commisar 3D print
3. Chaos Marine eBay rescue 3x
4. Reaper Gloom Stalker (aka Hook Horror in DnD)
5. Trench Crusade print
6. Boat
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>>97496748
>They love to nostalgia bait though, my hope is that that'll make them bring back a few old and fun rules.
you mean like psychic? I've shown new players what older editions are like and none of them ever want to deal with templates, armor values, or universal wargear charts
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>>97494889
magnets or dry fit is what i've been doing with my models. battle canon is probably going to be the best going forward to kill objective sitters, last edition it got rerolls to hit, this edition got rerolls to hit both editions on things that were on objectives so I dont see that changing I got a bunch of second hand battle canon leman russes that I can't do much with
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>>97496771
Who gives a fuck what people who don’t know what 40k is like and don’t like. Why should we change the game to appeal to them? Why even roll dice? Let’s make it into a fucking card game so it reaches an even wider fucking audience. I
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>>97496772
I've been lifting weights and cooking dinner and and drinking a beer and lurking and not finishing my model (+dewin sum moar readin cuz newb) and yeah, standard battle cannon tank seems to be a safer pick with the new edition coming. Do you have any links for the magnets you use that I can order for my next russ project?
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>>97496757
I do have models, but I have a frightening backlog and an addiction to battleforces/bundleboxes.
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>>97496785
>Introduce power levels
>People have a meltdown over it
>Remove it
>1 edition later, move to a power level only system, but just call it points
>No one bats an eye
This will never not be funny to me.
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>>97496834
Imperium can manipulate and create black holes, it's just super dangerous and extremely limited in amount of remaining ordinance as the Imperium lost the ability to make them when Emps died.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vortex_Weapon#Imperial_Vortex_Weapons
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>>97496857
Google is free but sure lemme spoonfeed you baby boy
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I havent looked at fortification rules in a minute.
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>>97496827
Your NL are always sick as fuck. Just want you to know that. The only reason your guys take so long is because of the effort you put into them.
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Will any GW writer ever come close to McNeil's magnum opus?
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>>97496910
in the current edition they made them more like a summonable single model unit, they have wounds, can fight and be fought. some have attack profiles to represent their function like the swords, while others are of buff or debuff pieces that radiate out effects, and some do both.
in previous editions they didnt have health or attacks, and were more status effect oriented and their damage was more akin to like hazardous terrain or something, get too close and you take some mortal wounds if you're in the general proximity.
but yeah they're basically a summon from like an elder scrolls or final fantasy type game, which isnt that far fetched for a magic system to have
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>>97496344
What is the weirdest thing /Your Dudes/ do?
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>>97496964
Thanks man, I appreciate it. The freehanding on your models back before I really started 40king was what made me think "Well, I should try things out and see how they go". I find it difficult to balance speed with quality, but I always try to go for quality first.
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>>97496370
11th edition will bring back points values and customization. This will be heralded by the community as an amazing change. This will be heralded by suits as an amazing change because everyone is going to have to rebuy/rework their units/armies for different loadouts.
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>>97497025
I know this isn't 40k but this guys dudes made me double take when I saw it in first in /wfb/. It's like if the average 40k gooner was a decent hobbyist.
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>>97496910
Not all of them can move. Some of them do/did act as summonable terrain features, and whilst there are generic ones like the quicksilver swords here >>97496898 , they've been slowly (very slowly since they didn't put out any new ones for all of 3e IIRC) giving each army with dedicated spellcasting or priest units endless spells/manifestations (the latter just being the priest equivalent for khorne, one of the drwarf armies, and like... one random model in another army)
This model here >>97496412 is actually one such army specific endless spell for gloomspite gitz (Goblins, squigs, trolls, giant spiders, and wolf rider goblins), which also, at least when it was first released, functioned as a summonable terrain feature that dealt a decent amount of wounds to anything that got too close, except for MAYBE gloomspite units, I legit can't recall if it was total area denial or the gitz units were unaffected.
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>>97496764
cope and seethe nomodels
>>97496767
seconding on the csm!
>>97496827
sick batdudes. in that case post 5 things from your backlog and we'll pick one for you to do next
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>>97497115
I didnt call the guy a mutant that was someone else, I just replied to the guy asking for models.
>>97497119
Im already working on my backlog rn. I've been having a busy time but Im trying to finish up this tremorscythe and then the last 2 guys in the killteam.
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To the anons discussing the new lords of excess battleforce for EC; I just bought my copy for $190 usd + free shipping (plus tax: 202.59) so that’s like a 48% discount off of GW retail prices. I’m bretty satisfied with that.
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>>97497170
Because then they wouldn't have been able to claim then and their legions for themselves. Khorne is not going to trust Slaanesh not to grab a primarch and legion, so he has to take one himself, and vice versa for all of them.
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Remember to always post your own models whenever some calling someone nomodels, it cuts down a lot of unneeded sperging.
>wip
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>>97497192
Oh I didn’t read usd. Wow you got fucking robbed.
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>>97497119
Can you fuck off already you obnoxious attention whore
Does every other post you make getting deleted not clue you in that your blogposting and engagement bait doesn't belong here
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>>97497227
This
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>>97497252
at mama's house, applying for jobs, poasting on weddit
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>>97497254
Please stay in /twg/
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>>97496664
No need. My newest models now have 100% of the paint they need and ready for battle.
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Thou reach far! Doth thou question the tomes methinks? You no-model-swine! We duel at dawn!
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>>97496664
I can't do this because I feel kind of progression locked in terms of model paintability
Like I can't imagine not painting my simpler troop models first and then going on to elites and then characters and then monsters/vehicles
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>>97496664
I've defended you in a thread before. I will no longer. You gotta get this stuff completed. It's not like you're working full time.
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>>97497295
Cwindge deflected foul no modelz
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>>97497316
I just pick a random grouping of models I think looks fun and cool, my opponents all go meta crap tho, total heathens.
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40kg is great. I tried the filtering method but now I just scroll on mobile. Other threads on tg are really slow. This general reminds me of the speed of some of the busier shit posting forums back in the day.
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Alright very good, get it all out of your system trolls.
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>>97497328
>yeah you told him there bub
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I think it would be an interesting experiment to post models here with only the most milquetoast non-interactive non-incendiary text attached and see how long it takes for people to get irrationally irritated and spawn another boogeyman
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>>97497345
Faith is your shield
>>97497316
I play absolute garbage lists and lose most of my games
>>97497321
Pick up games are different depending on the FLGS. Some stores can make for some horrible pick up games. Especially for new players at under 1500 points
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Does ANYONE play necromunda here?
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How long do you think it'll take for these boxes to go into deep discount territory at LGSs? I'd be tempted to pick one of these up at around the $150-$180 range since I think Bloodcrushers are cool but no fucking way would I touch the thing at $250.
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This is a good list right? I've tried cramming in as many different cool units as possible while being hopefully balanced and useful.
>Chaos Lord, 2 Warpsmiths
>10 Cultists, 5 Legionaries, 6 Noise Marines, 5 Warp Talons, 5 Possessed, 5 Havocs, 2 Obliterators
>Chaos Land Raider, Venomcrawler, Maulerfiend, Forgefiend, Defiler, Helbrute
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>>97497373
Yes, league is starting up on Thursday. I gotta get some boys painted.
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>>97497424
I have zero Daemons on my World Eaters shelf. I've got
>Angron
>The old Combat Patrol with Lord Invocatus, 20 Berserkers, and 10 Jakhals
>Kharn
>a MOE
>Last year's Battleforce with the Slaughterbound, 9 Eightbound, and 20 more Jakhals
>9 Exalted Eightbound made from kitbashing the leftover EE bits with some Posessed
>A Rhino I've yet to put together
>The contents of the Combat Patrol stuff that's yet to ship (A second copy of the old Combat Patrol + a Forgefiend/Maulerfiend)
Both the Bloodletters and Bloodcrushers would be nice additions to the army and a change of pace from what I gotplus I honestly like the look of Bloodletters more than Jakhals
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>>97497237
seethe some more chuddie lmao
>>97497276
pls be joking anon......
>>97497296
then start at the bottom with ur lil dudes as long as you are making progress on that backlog anon !
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>>97497306
>doesnt work full time
anon i work 12 hours a day 5 days a week wtf do you mean dont work ?
>>97497316
half meta half fluff i still get btfo tho. i roll more 1s than a broken slot machine
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>>97497025
They claim to be free of the main 4 chaos gods' influence, but have slowly fallen into a cult of an entity that the local population worshiped.
>Wanted to make a wendigo-ish Demon prince/demon proxies and fell more in love with the concept
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>Another regular poster has become deranged for attention
why does this keep happening
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>>97497472
Is this any surprise when "she" came in from /soc/ with an orbiter who totally wasn't also her they just happened to know everything about her and immediately started blogposting about being a failure to her family and posting selfies
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>>97497485
>Nomodels
I posted a votann earlier :)
>>97497486
Nah, but there's that schizophrenic assumption
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>>97497455
>wendigo-ish Demon
So your guys live in a harsh winter/blizzard and didn't prepare their food supplies properly and are starving to the point they have chosen their own survival over their friends and family and are engaging in cannibalism?
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>>97497373
My local had a campaign but I skipped out because I was playing Titanicus
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>>97497490
Eh there might be a bit of cannabalism since it's a ice planet within a domain run by CSM, but I was thinking more like the demon/entity is visually a bit more of an eldritch amalgam of mountainous animal bits, which would let me do units like possessed as a sorta werewolf/elk mishmashes.
>I just really think Elk/Caribou/Moose skeletons look cool, and like the TC Path of the Beast without the weird leeches
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>>97497521
Yeeeah that's what I was thinking. Like it'd realistically end up that way if it was a canon god, but at least if I go with the Tau'va angle I can have the different god units like zerkers, plague marines, etc. be radical views on aspects of this god (that are really just following demons of X larping as an agent of the entity)
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>>97497483
>ultratranny and the decalslopper
i found a pic of them having a game
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>>97497516
>eldritch amalgam of mountainous animal bits
Like a nephilim after being disembodied. The nephilim were the children of the Watchers, the 200 angels who fell to lust and were lead by their king, Samyaza- a fallen angel that even Lucifer was afraid of, to bang human women. But the nephilim destroyed themselves by fighting each other, leaving them disembodied and became the demons who compete with the lords of hell for the souls of men. They make bodies of animal parts and seek out humans suitable for mating with, to create a new and perfect host.
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>>97496417
Ehhhh the game is the best it's been since 5th rules wise. And balance wise it's the best it's ever been.
Yes we lost some fun like 50 guard units, and ascension to deamonhood midgame. But for not having to wait 2 years for a balance errata it's honestly good.
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>check thread
>It's decalfag episode #23843
I'm tired of this. I've been here for more than ten years and the general has never been this bad. I've soured on this place and the hobby as a whole a little bit. I'll post stuff for the collage but I don't think I'll be in these threads much anymore. Might migrate to /wip/ or /grog/.
Thanks for ruining this place decalfag.
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I just got here who the hell is decalfag and why is there drama
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>>97497574
You have nomodels, nogames and nofriends please stop responding to me.
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This actually would have been a very good battleforce to put the -actual- lord of contagion model in, with all the floaty plague shooties. Also if you're putting named characters in 2/4 boxes you coulda put lucius in the emperor's children one instead of a generic daemon prince.
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Heresy is when you present the truth of a religion in a different or unaccepted version rather than deny it entirely. All of the chaos worshippers are blasphemers rather than heretics.
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>>97497025
Sorry if its long.
My BT write their epic deeds as ballads on their tabards. When its full they add it to a tapestry in their battle barge and start with a fresh one.
They also treat fellow unmutated Emperor woshippers with chivalry and gallantry. But treat mutants and unsanctioned psykers as cattle. Sanctioned psykers get marginally better treatment. But that's just standard BT stuff. They love blanks.
My custodes are artists each. Named after famous Terran painters and sculptors. They must finish a masterpiece before starting a new one, which can take centuries. Once its done, its shipped to the Imperial Palace.
The Sisters of Silence are the same but with writers. They write tales, reports, and propaganda that is spread to the greater Imperium under various pseudonyms. If a sister takes on the name of her predecessor, she can continue the latter's work.
One of them wrote The Imperial Guardsmen Uplifting Primer. She died saving a shield captain before clarifying if it was a parody or not. In her honor they released it as is.
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Who's movement characteristic do I use, when a leader with, say more movement attaches to a unit? The base movement of the unit, or the higher movement of the leader?
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Each model cannot move more than their stat allows. And a leader needs to stay in coherency with his unit.
Say a Sword Brethren squad, moving 6 inches, is led by an Emperor's Campion, moving 8 inches.
The SB can only move 6 while the EC can move 8 if he wants, but must remain in coherency with the SB. This is important for positioning mid combat before a charge.
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What’s everyone’s favorite model to build? I’m talking about the building experience, not what you like having the most of. Just built a squad of 3 assault centurions and they were a pretty relaxing experience. Everything just seems to “fit” right. It’s not overly easy like a Bastillus dread but not ridiculously complex like a Redemptor. I’m actually enjoying building space marines, especially after the hell of my deldar army.
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>>97497662
idk why but I love building Dreads, even with the stupid arm sockets not fitting right!
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>>97492899
It wasn’t necessarily the imperial guard part that stung the most it was the idea that when I try to be genuinely creative like say make a fantasy web-novel I might rewrite the lore of something much more popular and already done without knowing it which may result in loads of copyright related repercussions if worse comes to worse.
It’s nothing serious when it is just /yourdudes/.
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Thanks man that was a good read.
I was thinking something like lost their planet but have no knowledge about it because inquisitorial bullshit but it doesn’t matter anymore as the regiment has degraded over time, but your writing there makes me want to “appropriate” some if not all of what you’ve written as I like it a lot.
I think there were and maybe are interstellar spacefaring human civilizations so the precedent is already set for such a thing. I know in 30k there was one between humans and aylmaos so it wouldn’t be too out there in fitting it in 40k fluff.
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>>97497668
What’s up with that? On my Brutalis I ended up shaving the damn things off because they wouldn’t ever fit and if I tried it would snap the glued locking bit. It is rewarding though and they’re really fun to paint.
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>>97497662
Only semi related but I really like building marines after only making necrons before that. There's so much more variety and options and bits, it's not even close. Necrons you just make the model, marines you make your own dudes even without a bits box or sculpting
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>>97497662
I just love building units with tabards. There' a certain satisfaction that tickles my autism when the tabard sculpts fits juuuust right with the legs.
Also units with swords. The silhouette of a swordsman, wide or narrow, is so satisfying. I would have three 10 man Sword Brethren squads if I have the space and the lack of sanity.
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Thanks anon, I really like them too, imperfections and all.
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>>97497695
Your BTs are very cool mate, I particularly like the individual flair you give each model.
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>>97497704
Yours are very very good too. Super clean.
I give mine a lot of visual distraction to hide the fact I cant do as clean a paintjob. My tabards cant be as smooth as yours so I write shit down on it to hide the splotches on them. Then just made lore around it. Or just do color bombs to distract from the dirty highlights.
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>>97497652
similarly when some models have movement skills that others lack (like grapnel reivers led by a grapnel-less lieutenant) you resolve each model individually while maintainng coherency. there's no aggregate or "use lowest" generalisation for the unit.
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>>97497759
For the green
Caliban Green base then just repectively gradually add thin layers of
>Sotek Green
>Kabalite Green
>Warpstone Glow
>Moot Green
Make lines and waves, and as you go lighter make it "highlight" the darker waves.
For the gold
Vallejo old gold base
Wash all over with 50/50 biel tan green and agrax earthshade
Another layer of old gold on the surface
Any bright gold like vallejo gold or retrubutor gold for the highlights. Dont use silver highlights if you want that old gold look.
Here is how they look like.
Tbh I just use the paint I have, dont buy apot just for a highlight. You can always add ulthuan grey to a color to make it brighter.
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Interesting. Will use that for scrolls. Mine are a bit too white.
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finally got home from work....to the anon that wanted me to start my rogal dorn from my backlog starting it rn and will post progress as i complete it !
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Kitbashed Kharn the betrayer. Its in the basecoat stage ( skin hasnt been basecoated yet). Also one earring is missing so i can get to the skin around his neck first.
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>>97496785
psychic phase is worse than abilities (that you roll for) that can pop across different phases
best would be mixing and matching these again but alas we all know that is unlikely
for as dogshit as psychic is now, they have all of the necessary groundwork laid to fix it
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How are the field ordnance battery and artillery team models in this game?
Worth taking gameplay wise? Or is it better to stick with heavy weapons teams instead?
>Assuming I manage to find good looking proxies that resemble what they’re representing
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>>97497911
I just with Psychic powers are like stratagems. In the beginning of the turn you roll to see how many psy points you have based on the units then have the powers be
>cost: 2 psy points
>cast by: psyker type A
>when: in the movement phase
>target: allied unit within X inches
>etc etc
You get Perils either in the pooling phase or whenever you cast a spell. If a spell costs 2 points roll 2 dice, etc. For each 1 you get a mortal wound or something.
It doesnt require a phase in itself and it can be "spread out" in the game.
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>>97497358
haven't heard much about it that's actually cool, just generic filler heroics
there's just the good premise of the destroyer lord piecing together the ctan
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>>97497935
idk man as a tsons player that sounds pretty similar to how the index rule worked and that pretty much choked out all creativity in listbuilding
I actually think the current pseudo-psychic phase they have would work really well if they just added a bunch of different powers and then spread them across different phases
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>>97496469
All factions have their own psychic shit and the ones that don't have gimmicky technologies or abilities
>dark eldar torture device
>necrons space manipulation
>sisters of silence negative powers
>sisters or battle miracles
>khorne's divine interventions
tau and knights are the two where you have to flex stuff a bit, but for tau you can get away with a set of special drones, like the sky dwarfs in aos have, while knights are not really a faction so arguably they wouldn't need them, but you could still give them their non-combatant flying support team from the artworks
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>>97497950
desu I never played psychic armies. As someone on the receiving end I just want two things
>Its spread out accross phases
>Perils of the Warp exists
The intricacies is not really an issue if we can keep those two elements.
Anything other than the "spells are just guns or abilities" bullshit we have now.
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>>97497987
>templars
they have relics that they carry around on crusades, you could have tokens for servants carrying those and giving buffs around.
I also don't like the skull of the cacodominus they've got now, seems puny, they could have a larger one with this.
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>like idea of plasma gun coils resembling a fire in colors like when Duncan rhodes painted that glowing volkite weapon on his channel
>see pic related
Bros I feel the oldhammer groggery new bad old good washing over me.
I’m thinking of using a copper or gold color.
But would gold or brass be better?
But really I can’t decide what colors I want my plasma coils to be.
Should I just choose metallic plasma coils to get the painting done quickly? Or genuinely give glowing plasma coils a try?
And we’re there always glowing plasma paint jobs or were they originally metallic in the oldhammer days and there was a change?
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>>97498009
you can keep them cold on most models for the sake of making things fast and having a fee incandescent ones for variety or to mark out more important pieces like characters or tanks.
for example the leman russ with metallic coils doesn't look that good with that simpler scheme
also use brass, not gold, you'll probably end up using gold on some other parts of the models and the similarity will show
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>>97498009
if you want to paint the glow just try to use a colour that contrasts nicely with the rest of your scheme. I went with the standard blue glow on some hellblasters and it does not stand out at all with my blueish green and grey scheme. Should have stuck with fluo pink as I'd originally planned..
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>>97498015
>also use brass
Got any specific brass colored paints in mind for the job?
I’ve got Ak 3rd gen brass but I’m wondering if you have something else to recommend.
>>97498016
It’s alright to have a different taste anon.
I like glowing effects but I see value in those older metallic coils.
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>>97496370
zero: gw only took the leap to significantly shake up 40k between 7th and 8th because the company was going down, meanwhile now gw is bigger than ever so they'll try to touch the castle of cards they've built as little as humanly possible, because the fear of fucking up overshadows the hopes of things being made better.
they'll keep doing what they always try to do since then: shrimplify things further and introduce another introductory product/mode because newfags are their ideal costumer.
the best chance warhammer has of becoming a good game is shamelessly drawing from game design philosophies of spearhead in aos, but the fucking retards fired the one guy behind that
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>>97498135
The nugget marine having a head sticking out and looking around still bothers me.
Almost as much as DoW2 revealing the boxnought nugget marine actually looks through the slit in the sarcophagus instead of being hooked up to a complex camera interface or something.
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>>97498143
He will still be hooked up to cameras due to the black carapace. Same as space marines can see out of any weapon scopes they have.
Shits weird and the slit is possible just to give the interred marine some last sliver of humanity or something
it's grim
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>>97498143
the dreadnought helmets are generally way bigger than a normal marine helmet, so it's fair to say that they aren't necessarily actual helmets as much as helmet-like camera systems, if you want
for example the white scar character from horus heresy has a destroyed dreadnought on his base and the pilot is sculpted dragged out of a crack in the armor, with the dreadnought helmet not being on his head.
the galaxy is big enough to have all sorts of configurations anyway.
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>>97498149
>give the interred marine some last sliver of humanity or something
I doubt it's that, if anything I'd wager it's a last resort for when the dreadnought's video systems are jammed, or just as modelling visual cue that there's something in there instead of being a robot.
Or if we want to consider historical inspirations, if you've ever gone to see real life reliquaries it's more often than not a very ornate container with just a small window or two to show that there's the actual relic inside, instead of being empty, but it's not exactly the best way to showcase the contents at times.
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>>97498165
Now that's some grimdark shit. Dreddy goes from fun toy to horrifying body horror real fast
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>>97497997
>the skull of the cacodominus
It's not even the real skull as much as the templars want you to believe it is.
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>>97498215
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>>97496785
I've been out of the loop since 5th, and is just looking into dusting off my old collection and get into painting again.
What the fuck do you mean templates, armor values and platoons are gone?
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>>97496748
>And most of that stems from the rule they've implemented where every unit has to be 1 to 1 represented by a box.
I don't see them repealing that.
One thing that has surprised me is the amount of special weapons you actually get now with standard boxes.
Back in my day (3rd-5th) I had to buy fucking metal cast on the side to get my plasma guns and meltas for IG, and Leman Russ only came with the battle cannon, heavy bolters and flamers.
So WYSIWYG actually makes sense now.
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>>97497981
>>khorne's divine interventions
Part of me wants a Khorne character who's visceral regarding themselves. If Khorne only cares blood flows, not where it flows, how would he react to self-mutilating followers who use their own blood against enemies?
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>>97496505
Yes. Artillery and air superiority fly in the face of what makes a good wargame
Air and Artillery are OP IRL and so you either have Aircraft and Artillery be worthless (as they are now) or be 'accurate' and suddenly the game is 5 fliers running over the board turn 1 nuking everything. Indirect is made bad because it's simply not fun. Real warfare doesn't match up to 40k, which is ultimately about big guys in armour with swords trying to cut up giant bugs/robots/elves/other big guys in armour.
It's why guardfags are generally insufferable - they want the game to be as boring as they are. Who the fuck goes into a high sci-fi fantasy wargame with teleporting demons, laser swords, psychic powers and giant dudes with chainsaw swords and says "um I think this would be a lot more fun if everyone stood completely still and I played as a drone operator destroying everything from the air"
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>>97498207
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>>97498289
I'm 50/50 on that one. It was cool how much you could customize your armies and individual squads. But it was fucking hell keeping order of what your opponent said he was using, keeping check on what you were using on what units yourself, especially when the sets was as sparse as they were wargear-wise.
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>>97498294
Khorne has strong codes of honour and wants blood particularly from skilled martial combat. He doesn't give favour from just murdering in cold blood or slaughtering the helpless, I feel like this falls into that realm. Even if one is using their blood to like spray in the opponent's eyes or try make them slip or something weird, that's underhanded tactics/dirty fighting and not martial prowess.
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I've never noticed that, that's fucking awesome!
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>>97498307
When those were available to me it was like two metal figures for 2/3rds the price of a regular squad. A Kasrkin squad was way more expensive.
I never experienced those golden times, so I can't really miss them.
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>>97498308
Only some. He prefers skilled kills but he's got nothing against butchering civilians. Khorne champions and daemons are experienced in multiple manners of war including tactics. They can do ambushes and feints just fine. On an individual level Khorne would be unhappy being presented unworthy skulls but he's alright with mindless bloodshed all the same.
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>>97496344
Very easily. You have five basic 'lists' of generic powers and a few factions have their own unique ones.
The core five are Divine, Profane, Psychic and Biological and Technologic. Each one has a 'Test' and a 'fail state'
Divine is very focused on Emperor-focused Miracles and this spell list is focused on buffs, giving a unit a lucky save, letting holy fire burn through enemies. Sample powers could be giving a unit a 4+ Invuln, adding 3 strength to a Melta or a chaplain's hymn giving extra attacks. The 'cost' is taking a battleshock test. Failure battleshocks the unit
Armies: Sisters, Black Templars (via chaplains), GK, other Marines
Profane is focused on Daemonology. Spells to deal direct damage, break morale via battleshock, revive daemon units, The test is battleshock, but you can also choose to take d3 mortals on a nearby unit for the ritual.
Armies: All Chaos Armies
Psychic is generic old Psychic stuff. Mixed bag utility, give a few old spells redone, a few witchfire, a few buffs, maybe Gate of Infinity. Test is just LD or mortals on the psyker
Armies: Marines, GK, Orks, Eldar, IG
Technologic is fluffed as super tech that is experimental or unstable. Buffs weapons or armour rather than the unit, but makes all of its weapons hazardous with no test. A generalist discipline like Psychic.
Armies: Votaan, Tau, Necrons, AdMech, Custodes, DW/Agents, Knights
Biological is based off of things like drugs and biological warfare. Poisons, Iron Arm, combat Drugs, all of that fun stuff. Testing for overdosing and killing afflicted models
Armies: Chaos (Bile and EC), Deldar (Haemonculi), Nids, GSC
A few armies can have 'unique' disciplines to fill in gaps. Orks could have a custom discipline, same with Tsons, Eldar, Wolves & Bangles. You could even do one that's about profane rituals for Deldar. This gives (almost) everyone 'something' they can do with the new mechanic, while some armies are stronger or weaker with spells.
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>>97498215
>the skull of the cacodominus
Its clearly a human navigator skull.
The war against the cacodominus wasnt a war with a psyker, cybernetic alien god but a plot by navigator house and and astropaths to breed a powerful enough psyker to replace the emperor like a ripoff dune plot.
The thousands of ships lost wasnt some empyric blast wave but ships lost in war and rebellion. The worlds destroyed were loyalist worlds to the would-be Emperor replacement.
The black templars carry around the skull last real hope the human race had. They slew that future in their ignorance and misplaced faith
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>>97498352
They can in with your dudes. Khorne would be fucking thrilled by a pysker who worked his way up to be a tzeentch lord just to have them all killed and mutated in a blood magic ritual like Mohg was doing to his followers
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>>97498376
Eh, I dunno. We have 3 Eldar factions in 40k and they've already confirmed all 3 Protoss groups are getting an army so it's kinda similar imo.
Plus Hybrids are going to be their own faction but they're massive and super strong in lore so I've no idea how/. Knight faction-equivalent, perhaps?
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>>97498370
>GOLIATH ONLINE
No Goliath no buy!
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>>97498370
>home
>Jimmy Little Bitch Raynor
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>>97498363
>a plot by navigator house and and astropaths to breed a powerful enough psyker to replace the emperor
this sounds like fanfic. how could any human, however warp fucked, ever become even close to what the literal god of all humanity is? what the about the cosmic lighthouse? should empie just keep being the lightbulb and this new emperor becomes him in all but name until the collective belief in big e isn't strong enough anymore so not even the players sacrificed will suffice anymore. what about this sacrificing if the old emperor is de facto abdicated? why even bother feeding him if he is replaced by a new emperor?
God fucking damn I hate this kind of poorly thought out bullshit
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>>97498209
Well knowing is one thing but in practice you're looking at toys like this so sometimes you need the reminder
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>>97498392
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>>97498397
>Wanting a living emperor to lead the imperium is bad because we need the corpse lighttower
>Big E needs to be switched off
Those are your assumptions,
>People will stop praying to Big E as god if they had a living emperor
People having a king/emperor while praying to a higher power god figure is literally every civilisation ever so this fear of
>collective belief in big e isn't strong enough
Is just your headcanon fanfic.
Keep the Astronomicon, keep the sacrifices of psykers. Having a living guy lead the imperium, simple.
>how could any human, however warp fucked, ever become even close to what the literal god of all humanity is?
The Emperor did it and he was a man (probably)
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>>97498352
No, it would be like this
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>>97498515
Goliath pathfinding issues is a result of player skill issue.
If you clicked multiple times it made the Goliath to recalculate the path. If you clicked just once it path to the target without issues.
also right side stairs tend to fuck up with tanks, dragoons and goliath more often than left side stairs, but only when going up.
In other words being an impatient twat made pathing worst.
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>>97498363
Lame, it's more entertaining if it was an alien overlord that was mind controlling people with psychic parasites growing as third eyes.
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>>97498540
>alien overlord that was mind controlling people with psychic parasites growing as third eyes.
You want a discount Starro
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>>97496462
Magic that doens't go away. Like you cast wall of swords and then there's a wall of swords on the battlefild cutting anyone who comes near it. And GW makes a model of a bunch of flying swords you can put where the wall was cast and sometimes move it around
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>>9749763
Woah nice
>She died saving a shield captain before clarifying if it was a parody or not
Rip Sister Verhoeven. Her script for Starship Troopers was the best hymn to fascism. It showed it's actually very cool? I would've never realize it without her help
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>>97498740
>Starting up this shitpost twelve hours later
Go back to sleep faggot
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I have a lore/modelling issue. I want to use the Votann transfer sheet but don't like any of the main 5 Leagues. I want to use my own colour scheme but tie them to one of the Leagues lorewise, just not aesthetically.
Is this a thing in the background? Like being a constituent element within the bigger League that still bears the insignia but keeps my own colour scheme?
Obviously I know I can paint my models how I like but I'm asking from a lore-friendly point of view. Like it would be fucking weird to see red marines with big white Ultima transfers, for example.
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>>97498786
nta, but igougo can work if you add limits regarding who can target what to make placements matter more and make it so that destroying or routing enemy troops opens new targets, creating unexpected rewards for daring or lucky actions
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>>97498814
How come the thread was fine until you specifically show up?
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>>97498830
>Ignores the zero effort shitposter
>Blames every post you don't approve of on one person
You aren't subtle wannabe janny tranny
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>>97498836
>it's the west coast shitposter
>AGAIN
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>>97498842
Because he was a relatively new guy and gw is handled by a group of faggots clinging to their spots and abusing everyone else.
More than fired he was probably just not offered any sort of upward mobility or pay so he left, despite contributing significantly to both spearhead and warcry.
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>>97498846
Hey remember last night when you tried to claim all those archivefags were the same west coast shitter yet even in your own screenshots they were showing EST timezones
How come you're ignoring that?
NTA btw
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>>97498853
Same shitposts, same hours, same filenames, same screenshots, same catchphrases same replies.
What's next on the schedule? Shopping a timestamp on another model stolen from reddit or harassing the first modelposter you recognise?
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>>97498866
He's already melting down
Nevermind the fact that yesterday when he was claiming they were all the same the filenames were from three different phone types
I don't even think he's a real schizophrenic, I think he's just a shitposter pretending to be one as an excuse to shitpost
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>>97498846
>7am
nigga spent last night shitposting and went back immediately into it in the morning, now that's committment
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Nah we're done shitting on the schizo he can go back to blindly accusing everybody of being one single shitposter on the west coast, all the proof to show that isn't true won't get through to his underdeveloped mind
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I’ve never seen a general that feeds the trolls so much before. The orbiters are just as schizo as the lolcows and it’s absolutely fascinating. Like I almost wonder if the posters are just a bunch of bonobos with iPads in a zoo somewhere. There’s zero impulse control. Every single shit post gets responded to. It’s like unstoppable diarrhea
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>>97498908
Seriously, anybody saying this hasn't been to generals on /vg/ where when the schizos and shitposters start getting too much attention they spam literal actual child porn, not art but the real shit
/40kg/ is like heaven in comparison
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Those generals move so fast that the schizo quotient gets drowned out. But here it’s almost all schizos all the time.
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>>97498899
cards
that's it, that's the secret formula; you can't rely on players to keep things fresh and surprising by handing them pages on pages of stratagems and options because they will always only take the most reliable stuff, cards introduce random obstacles and random opportunities
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>>97498306
Vehicles ultimately got fixed for the better they’re all monstrous creatures with toughness now. Melta does more damage. AP reduces armor saves instead of ignoring them. Powerfists and hammers can fight first. Deepstrike mishap is completely gone.
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>>97496563
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>>97496577
So you're both grogs? What happens now?
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>>97498930
>do you mean like stratagem cards or something?
more or less, yeah, plus cards for the scenario for random events that benefit the ongoing underdog.
6th or 7th edition had a similar system called maelstrom or something and that was also a lot of fun.
gw could easily adapt and expand on this format by making a set of cards for each army, plus a set of cards for any given set of scenarios (rulebook, seasonal campaign books, bundled warzones, etc) and end up with something pretty good for 40k.
the problems are that people like the idea of having a lot of options to choose from, so cards that encapsulate the stratagems can risk looking like a drastic simplification; that if you make a deck of balanced around a specific type of army composition or unit types you end up indirectly damaging other types of lists for that army (which it can theoretically be a feature since it discourages minmaxing, but it's a thing that must be tuned); and last but not least, you had book keeping or another obligatory purchase and people don't like that.
there's an elegant solution to the last issue though: you make the decks formatted like a normal deck of playing cards, 4 seeds and all that jazz, and you give people 3 options:
-buy the official deck of cards with the rules written on them for your army, ideally bundled together with the datasheet cards
-use any other random deck of playing cards and interpret what a card stands for in relation to your codex by using a summary of its cards at the end of it
-buy an official (limited? bundled with the limited editions of the codexes) deck of playing cards themed around your army that has got only artworks on them, no text, and still refer to the summary at the end of the codex
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why? the game already has randomising elements to it, and there are already tournaments about games of cards
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>>97499115
Lets just model post then, not even the nomodels shit stirrers are here it seems.
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>>97499161
What if your significant other is a model? Does that count as "having a model"?
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>if I own a model, am I still a nomodels?
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>>97499161
You're only ever a nomodel if you're involved in some kind of shitflinging schizoposting or thread drama.
and if you're involved in those but have models then they aren't enough for one reason or another or you have another problem.
The moral of the story is to not get involved in some kind of shitflinging schizoposting or thread drama.
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My strange line of questioning has to do with me thinking about making and giving away dioramas or display pieces.
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>>97499130
Still my fav
https://youtu.be/i7AC5M7F4ys?si=ttIFNVlBiovyFsBa
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Dark Millennium, come back!
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"More than once I have questioned the Emperor’s wisdom in bestowing his gifts upon but one half of the human race. For in man, as in all beasts, the female is the deadlier of the species."
-Fabius
Fabius raises a good point. Why, anons? Why did the Emperor do that?
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>>97499161
I think you're conflating a symbol for the thing it represents. It's not "do you physically have ownership of a warhammer 40,000 model through any means"; it's "do you actually participate in the hobby that the thread is about".
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Women's entire motif for being "deadly" is the ability to lure men with sex and kill them. Throughout history that is the defining trait. By making g them huge muscle ogre, you take that away, memes aside. Now if he means "giving women insane power is the same as giving a chimp with a mood disorder a gun" kind of dangerous, then we can agree.
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>>97499265
Stop being so confrontational
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>>97499215
I don't mind Fabius being a weird feminist but I would have preferred if it were framed like "I am rectifying nature's mistake in not having humanity in line with other beasts" because what he's saying in that quote is simply not correct
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>Why did the Emperor do that?
Both the Emperor and Fabius are wrong, Fabius because females are not always the deadlier sex within species, and the Emperor is retarded because he doesn't understand how human reproduction actually works.
Based on how space marine creations process works, even if female space marines were possible, they would still never ever supplant humanity and become a separate self-propagating species, so Emperor's fears about creating a new species is unfounded.Also kind of dumb when you remember his goal was to have humanity turn into psychic superhumans like himself, which would not technically be human either, but that is beside the point.
For the very simple reason that it doesn't matter what the pairings are be they
>male marine x female human
>female marine x male human
>male marine x female marine
All of this only and ever result in regular baseline human children.
Reason being that the genetics that a person passes onto their own kids, are already decided within the moment when they themselves were conceived in their mother's womb. The genetics within in your own gametes, the sex cells, is basically determined the moment the father's sperm fertilizes the mother's egg.
And based on how the marine creation process works, we know that they don't modify their genitals in anyway, meaning the genetics within their gametes are unchanged, meaning the resulting kids that'd be born would just be regular humans.
Also this is entirely disregarding the fact that all marines are sterile regardless anyway due to the process according to the fluff.
So even if female marines existed, logic tracks that they'd also be infertile, meaning they can't have kids. Meaning marines wouldn't be able to supplant humanity and become a separate species anyway.
TL;DR:
Fabius is only half right or half wrong (depends on the perspective really) and the Emperor despite being 5000 IQ gigachad doesn't know basic human biology.
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>>97499319
The Gland Hounds/New Men are a species that was created by implanting both young boys and girls with lesser geneseed.
Now the Gland Hounds can reproduce and birth New Men with functioning lesser geneseed inside them. So that complicates your analysis, anon.
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>>97499215
>listening to Bill the mentally insane shitbag that wears human skin as a coat
>when his new men are just as much of an evolutionary dead end as regular humanity
I don't think anything Billy says should be taken seriously in general.
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>>97499465
Philip Sibbering seems to disagree.
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>>97499487
They appeared in the Ghaz novel and one of Cain's books.
>Ogryn females are smaller and less commonly seen in the guard as a result and kroot females are canonically smaller and more reproductive focused
Citation needed.
The Farstrider models are interchangeable between the two genders
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>>97499492
Neither gland hounds or new men are space marines. They are bastardized creations based and inspired by marines and made by a chaos corrupted mad scientists who is using the galaxy as his eugenics experiment.
Also it's very obvious that Bile has intentionally modified the process where it also irreversibly changes the genetics within the gametes of a person.
Which is what Emperor didn't do with actual space marines, nevermind that it is canon fact that all marines are sterile anyway.
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>>97497558
>yeah the games less fun and less interesting but at least a bunch of lobotomized tourneyfags say its the most balanced its ever been!!
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>>97499505
Might depends on the cadre, since I've seen official descriptions of Kroot both reproducing through males secreting genetic material to the backs of females as well as them having genitals analogous to human ones between abdominal plates. Considering they can have wings or chameleon skin, other physical variations between cadres might exist as well.
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>>97499524
>nevermind that it is canon fact that all marines are sterile anyway.
Fabius said in a short story that marine sterility can be fixed with extensive surgery/modification.
>a chaos corrupted mad scientists
Abaddion told Fabius that he is th same as him, not corrupted.
Fabius only lost his soul to Chaos and became insane at the end of his trilogy, to save his New Men
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>marine sterility can be fixed with extensive surgery/modification.
This entire point is retarded and makes your point entirely irrelevant, and also really really fucking stupid.
It's like hearing
>"humans can't breathe under water because we don't have gills, we have lungs, we'd drown"
And responding with
>"well humans can breathe under water if you just surgically implant gills into them"
Being forced to intentionally to modify marines into something so they can reproduce already proves that they normally CANT.
>fabius is not corrupted
Yeah, like how every delusional chaos retard believes. They are all puppets on strings but both too arrogant and stupid to see it.
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>>97499539
>Abaddion told Fabius that he is the same as him, not corrupted.
So a corrupted man told another corrupted man he's not corrupted because he no longer knows what is normal
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yes, the leagues are all over the place in terms of their organisation
they have alliances, colonies, vassals, and the guilds themselves exist transversally to the leagues, they're not found neatly within them, for example you could have a chtonian mining guild work together with 3 other leagues
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>>97499604
Average Imperial hive city contains anywhere from 10 billion to 100 billion humans within.
Just by conscripting like 1% of the populace from 10 billion, both male and female, you'd still end up with 100 million men and women that you can take and force into space marine trials.
If we go with 100 billions within the hive city and conscript 1% of that you end up with like 1 billion of men and women you can shove into the marine recruit process.
Imperium has so much fucking man power in 40k that it is practically infinite.
Also nevermind that the Imperium is an assbackwards, degenerate regime that doesn't actually care about efficiency. There's a reason why the Imperium is fine with throwing 500 million men and women at a problem to solve it even if it results in 99% casualty rate.
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>>97499568
It implies that marine tubes are snipped or tied. They can be reattached.
It's canonical that Marines can feel sexual attraction (The Silvered Knight in Slaansh's lust garden). They just can't produce fertile seed.
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ADB said that Abaddon is not corrupted.
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>>97499632
>Also nevermind that the Imperium is an assbackwards, degenerate regime that doesn't actually care about efficiency.
Then why bother making space marines at all? You can just throw normies at the problem until it is solved
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>ADB said that Abaddon is not corrupted.
Yeah he just got to primarch size with a healthy diet and regular exercise.
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>>97499656
Abaddon was Primarch-sized before he took the power of Chaos.
Look how tiny Typhus is next to him.
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>>97499648
NTA but I bet there's some dogma too. So many Space Marine recruitment and initiation rituals eat up so many lives that many could've been many guardsmen. The average Space Marine needs to be as capable as the Astartes animation to fully justify crap like the Blood Angel rituals.
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>>97499642
>It's canonical that Marines can feel sexual attraction
No it's not
>(The Silvered Knight in Slaansh's lust garden).
He explicitly was not tempted by lust, not only that, lust for a space marine isn't sexual, it's always lust for battle
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>>97499667
No, he wasn't. Abaddon didn't start using Chaos until Erebus taught him how during the final battle. It's a freaking plot point in the HH series. Abaddon refused to partake in using Chaos and favored the old-fashioned way.
In fact, Abaddon showed remarkable resistance to Chaos. When the Death Guard Primarch came in to meet Horus, all the Sons of Horus except Abaddon fell over puking and seizing. He stood strong and proud unaffected.
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>>97499320
yes. :)
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It's a mystery~
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>>97499727
It's that or something like this.
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Reminder that the best way to fight Chaos corruption is to intentionally dive head-first into Chaos so hard it loops back around.
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>>97499777
Whatever floats your boat.
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>>97499724
Just like female Custodes, Abaddon has always been untouched by Chaos.
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>>97499832
>ADB explained this.
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>>97499832
And to think ADB was just a /tg/ dwerlling fanfic writer until his ability to brownnose got him a job as a Black Library author. We should all aspire to such greatness and get our own, personal Serena Williams in Heaven.
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>>97499832
Just like how me being paid by someone doesn't mean I'm compromised. I can be completely unbiased despite getting a fat check from them for no reason at all.
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>The Black Legion largely despises the gods and Abaddon does all he can to resist them. He’s in it for a wider purpose that he and his fellows consider their birthright. In contrast, Huron supposedly offered his soul to the gods in order to stop himself from dying; he and his followers are effectively in it for survival at any cost.
>You, ah, think those Cult Marines think the gods are rad? Like... those Rubricae love Tzeentch? Those Berserkers are thrilled with Khorne? The gods mark these guys. That’s all it means.
>Abaddon is Marked by all four gods. That doesn’t mean he thinks they rock. They marked him. That’s a one-way love affair, there. Same thing with the Black Legion as a general rule.
>Exceptions always exist and there are as many routes on the Path to Glory as there are Chaos Marines themselves, but don’t fall into the awkward assumption that being a Cult Marine—especially in the Black Legion—implies “worship” of the Chaos Gods.
>A Death Guard Plague Marine is a vastly different soul to a Black Legion Plague Marine. One of them is all about Nurgle. The other is all about breaking free of servitude to any and all mistakes made by their brethren and fathers, often including Word Bearer-style worship or Death Guard-style reverence.
>It’s not disingenuous to say that. It’s one of the core themes and points of the Black Legion, and a wider element of how Chaos Marines work.
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>>97499832
Functionally, you're all still feeding Chaos. It's not like Abby's actions aren't pleasing them.
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If you want to believe the nulore dogshit, yes.
Also his plan also always involved killing all of the posthumans, all primarchs, marines and yes even custodes were meant to get the thunder warrior treatment after the great crusade ended.
Also there's implications that the Emperor would've then also turned his attention to the Mechanicum and potentially start another civilwar with them to fully subjugate them.
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>all of the posthumans, all primarchs, marines and yes even custodes were meant to get the thunder warrior treatment after the great crusade ended
Please tell me their corpses will be intact.
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It's a self-report of being a lorelet.
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>I was never into Chaos, It was the medication I was on. For my blood pressure. It fucked with my head, but I'm over that now. I could probably get a letter from Fabius if you need me to.
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>>97499946
Yes.
Every time he pops upm the lore says no. He doesn't serve Chaos.
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If all the canon Chaos characters are enlightened Chaos users, does that mean that making /mylord/ be one who willingly gave themselves over to a god in order to have their revenge makes them an OC donut steel Mary Sue? Should they instead be above Chaos and merely using it, not being used by it?
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>>97499840
What was ADB thinking about making that tweet anyways?
I’ve put smiling things out there on the net while under the influence of alcohol and he probably did it all while sober.
>was once a /tg/ user
You think significant quantities of the warhammer autistic fan base will turn on him if concrete proof comes out of this?
After all for some people all of this site is /pol/ skin to how people think the archetypal Texas area is all of the USA.
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The lore and word of god outright says that Chaos Gods refuse to let Abaddon win without him swearing his soul to them. If he wins without them, then they are fucked.
If he is doing as you say then the Chaos Gods would be lockstep behind him as he pushes toward Terra instead of fucking him over and pressuring him to sell his soul.
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>maybe he's tsundere
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I believe in the Imperialization of Chaos is the ultimate goal of the Emperor and the point of the setting. The Emperor plans to rewrite all of the Immaterium into his image. Abaddon the Loyalist, his greatest ally, is secretly into this plan. This is why he chose the name Imperium Nihilius, to retain the name Imperium.
Together, all of Chaos will become theirs. Khorne will wake up on his Golden Skull Throne, not realizing there's anything wrong. Tzeentch will be unable to shapeshift in any form but Space Marines. The only drugs going through Slaanesh will be performance enhancers for Space Marines. Nurgle's Nurglings have already started wearing human hats. The process has begun and cannot be stopped. Besides Daemons, all Chaos on tabletop is already Chaos Imperium. Eventually there will only be Chaos Imperium. Then there will be no Chaos without Imperium.
It's already working marvelously. The poster children for Chaos are CSM who fight with Bolters, Plasma, and other Imperial weapons. No Chaos Xenos exist. Daemons will be squatted and soon all Chaos will be Imperium + Spikes.
Chaos will become Imperialized. Just imagine what this means, the Immaterium composed of thoughts from countless universes, all being Imperium. This means across all realities, it's impossible to even THINK of non-Imperial things. This is the Emperor's goal.
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An Undivided daemon, slave to no master.
>>97499999
And at the same time he's said to be his own master and so independent all the gods agreed never to make another Undivided prince ever again because he was so awesome and beyond them.
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Wade and ADB had a talk about it on Voxcast/official GW podcast. The essay (picture related) is GW's official characterization of Abaddon, and it was written by Gav Thorpe originally.
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>>97500017
His lore doesn't say that.
Be'lakor indepdence is an illusion since any of the Chaos Gods can get a turn to whack the other guy with him. Because no Chaos God has complete control over him, they decided not to make another.
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>>97499983
You’re probably right.
I’m sure at least one person would accuse her of saying some heinous shit or something but without evidence and that’s all that’s needed.
I know I’ve said stupid things on this site as I went through phases.
Mostly contained to /tg/.
I sometimes trawl archives and I can instantly recognize shit I’ve said years back.
No idea how I remember this useless stuff but forget so much I actually have and/or want to remember.
Like the rules for warhammer 40k whenever I go to play games at the lgs.
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>>97499975
I mean his 3.5 codex entry is all over the place.
>shaped
>destiny
>sacrifice for the chaos god
>resistant to being a pawn
>marks are given to servants of the dark gods
>his marks have melded
The fucker is a mess
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>>97500048
because the future is fixed and failproof, right?
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>>97500068
The fact that the Chaos Gods fear Abaddon winning without having leverage over him, and how the new codex practically says that the Chaos Gods are next on the chopping block after the Emperor, there is some bloody truth in it.
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>>97500048
>He saw Chaos enslaved to Abaddon's will.
See >>97500013
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>>97500077
>and how the new codex practically says that the Chaos Gods are next on the chopping block
The codexes also used to say that the necrons were all soulless mindless robots, The lore can change whenever the writers want.
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>>97499919
No, there is nothing wrong with flawed characters. There are plenty of autists ITT that think of a powerful character with tons of influence has a flaw its bad writing, but most people recognize that coping is part of being a slave of darkness.
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I thought that was the point, he never took the time to frame the Imperial Truth in a way that it could be appreciated by the peasantry of 30k. It was an inscrutable doctrine enforced by inflexible law upon a citizenry that had degenerated in logical capacity since the DAoT.
It gave them an absolute "why" without the reassuring "how" that the more feral populations needed to stay aligned.