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I laugh at how much GW bends backwards to include blacks and transwomen in everything. Except Cathay for some reason, I guess blacks offend the Chinese cultural sensitivity team.

>>97497810
Cathay has asians, they're already diverse retard

97497813
Not falling for this bait.

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>>97497810
They want that chinese market

>>97497801
Post painted models.

>>97497801
>Fenririans
>Earth
>The Empire
People calling the Imperium "the Empire" is just revealing that they don't actually know 40k lore. It's like a shibboleth.

>>97497815
Bad news boyo, you already took it, you are here with us. Shouldn't have clicked on the thread.

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>>97497816
I'll concede that modern Cathay is more ... grounded than old Cathay would have been, but as a Brit of a certain age comparable to some of the (senior) designers, there are simply more cultural touchstones about Egypt to riff on than China. We do Egypt in History at school, and have plenty of museum exhibitions - to say nothing of all the Mummy movies through the years. China - basically dragons, silk and uh... fireworks, maybe...? Honestly we know more about char siu than Qin dynasty.
Speaking of history, while I'm not fond of black vikings (while appreciating the argument that it's not exactly vikings) a better way would be to use the rules but reskin them Zulu. Space Buffalo, as it were. It's a similar ethos after all; fierce, charging combatants, a core of young men eager to hurl themselves into the fray to win glory and social status, more solid older men and a well-equipped and skilled leadership corps. Not to mention plenty of decoration for painting.

>>97498029
See, that's the thing, it's the usual "there's lots of black stuff that you can spin into something interesting, but you chose to just dress a black like a white man". This comes out as extremely condescending and patronizing for the black character, and betrays the expectations of the ones that find something they didn't ask for. You approach vikings, you have expectations of what character you get, and that doesn't include blacks. No one sane complained if black panther was black, no one complained when the celestial lions were space zulu.

>>97498049
Agreed. In their defence, it's one thing for me to get a bit of inspiration, get a box of Zulu figures (Warlord?), some marine bodies and exercise my green stuff muscles, but I'm not committing to a production run of thousands of boxes to do that. Vikings sell, and have inertia at this point. Will Zulu? Don't forget that there is still institutional memory of entire product lines failing (eg Epic 40,000) so their being gun-shy is understandable.

"But the books" - yeah. That's a very fair point. But book lore needs models to stick, generally, and the unfortunate thing between 90s GW and 'now' GW is that the screeching at doing anything 'inappropriate' will be that much worse and, like it or not, public discussion does matter, especially as they market themselves as a nice, safe, polite space for your kids. As much as I/we may hate that we have to suffer America's neuroses too solely because we speak English, it doesn't change that it's a fact of the market. So it's easier - lazier, true, but easier - to just commission some art, maybe some obviously black-featured heads and call it there.

>>97497816
No one hires sensitivity apparatchiks for the Chinese market, they hire them for listless 2nd/3rd gen AsAms who make crying about this type of shit their personality.

>>97498266
>Vikings sell
Agreed, but they sell less when you put something that doesn't fit into it.
GW may ride the coattails of all of this for brownie good guy points, but they market their stuff with the constant allusions about gloryfying violence. I'm surprised no one brought up the fact that if you put women and minorities into the meatgrinder they come out mangled.

same thread that only just got archived. you are obsessed with spamming shitty threads over and over again.

>>97497813
Post nose Jew

>>97497801
I dont mind black characters, never did, Im always dissapointed that they dont just add more lore for inclusion, but instead just crowbar them into spaces where they werent before. Theres viking and mongol themed factions, why not make an African one. No seriously, that would be actual inclusion culturally and racially and could be cool.
>youre a racist if you dont like tokenization
People know what its suppose to be when you say "Spider-Man", its why you have to say "Miles Morales Spider-Man" when its not Peter Parker, because thats what he is, just Black-Spider man, you crowbarred him in instead of giving him his own thing.

Make something new for fuck sake, this half representation is so fucking lame.

>>97498402
Is the issue I have with the random female heads in the guard kit, but with no bodies to fit them with.
Something that does not happen with the Necromunda or GSC kits for example (bike kit).
So the inclusion of the random head is just wasted space that could have been a cooler head with I do not know cybernetics, a cigar, more guns or doodads.

>>97498471
This is one reason I regret Forgeworld going under as a 'specialist models' line. It could have been possible to point to things like Wargames Atlantic's (is it them?) "Box 2" versions for the -Grave game family, and ask for lines of female bodies, as an experiment. We'd have to suffer resin, maybe, but it's as good a proof of concept as any.
Similarly, one big hope I had for Sigmar when I heard about the cosmology would be that FW might do themed Realm packs; accessories, legs, helmets, alternate bodies, I'm sure you can imagine the sort of thing. I can understand that things might be different from the more "wild west" metal days when you could just chuck unsold metals back in the smelter, but a man can dream.

>>97498471
Honestly having gender neutral (so basically male) bodies is a plus, that way you can just headswap and you have an all male unit as it likely should be. Hell, it's the worst of both worlds for both parties. Make separate male and female kits if you're going to change the bodies. You want an all female unit, you're ready to go. Same for male. Mixed units? Buy both. Everyone is happy. But no, you have this weird shit with stormcast being like 6:4 or half and half and you can't switch bodies or heads because they are too different.

>>97497801
Dark-skinned Fenrisians aren't actually even all that new. It was either the 5th or 6th edition SW codex (I don't remember which one, and don't personally play Wolves, but my friend did at the time so I have read the codices) that had a full map of Fenris with description of different locations, which revealed the entire planet isn't just ice and snow and vikings. It was mentioned on the map that the equatorial area of Fenris is mostly ocean with some small islands, and the people from those islands have darker skin than those further north, and are ocean-going warriors who fight sea-monsters.
Back then nobody really found that controversial or particularly noteworthy (the whole "Wolf Wolfson wielding his wolfblade while riding on a giant wolf" thing had fans much more annoying than the reveal that not 100 % of Fenris' population was white).

>>97498897
That's far more lore knowledge than the average paypig OR writer would ever attest to having, anon. People are only ever concerned about the now, and would rather yell at you into thinking things have always been a certain way until you agree just to make them shut up.

>>97498456
>its why you have to say "Miles Morales Spider-Man" when its not Peter Parker, because thats what he is, just Black-Spider man, you crowbarred him in instead of giving him his own thing.
Miles Morales is originally from Marvel Ultimates, which was an alternate universe with a new take on classic Marvel superheroes. He was never going to be his own thing because he was literally created to be that universe's Spider Man. It's just that he's basically the only Ultimates version of the heroes that people actually liked, so he got ported over into the main universe when the Ultimates comics were canceled.

>>97498916
And he is not Spider-Man just because they did that any more than if any of the other "alternate universe" characters were brought over. Popularity doesnt change what it is.

I remember black Thor. The way these people that write this shit think of black people is hilarious. Theyll do that shit, but not just push Blade more, do you see what I mean? Like, a white Blade isnt Blade. Thats the same with Warhammer, or anything that tokenizes black people.
>men with "female souls" can be amazonians
This shit is fucking stupd, its not inclusion, youre just ruining your own mythology for modernism instead of doing something new. Well make Robin Hood in medieval times with a diverse cast rather than just make a fucking movie set in medival Africa.

Make something new, add some more lore rather than pretending its always been like this.

Its ok, I make my Salamanders white

>>97497801
>they came from Earth anyway
Like 10k years ago though

Also
>Earth
you don't play the game

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Helmets are cooler. Especially now that they got rid of the old Vader wannabes.

>>97498938
they completely forgot about Gloria Grant but they made Liz Allen black, these people dont' care about representation because they ignore characters of those backgrounds they claim to "uplift"

>>97497813
>diverse just means no Europeans

>>97499250
This comic is hilarious when you know what the author looks like. Hint: its way more of the chinlet than the other guy.

>>97497801
They are addicted to chimping out. Simple as.

>>97499427
Yes, the whole diversity crowd really simply doesnt like Whites or justify their hatred via very flimsy accusations of historical inequalities.

>>97497801
This is as good a thread as any: Anybody got the pic of Yakub with the "they are my white people and they shall know no spicy food." text?

>>97499445
The author is gonna be jewish and jews always look like the guy on the right so you can pretty much infer that without looking him up

>>97499582
based, I kneel

>>97498894
I have issues with the situation because it is neither. Either do it right or don't do it at all.
I mention the necromunda and GSC example because in those particular case the mixed squad made sense from a fluff point. Necromunda case shit like Escher and Goliath are only technically not abhumans while GSC they are Tyranids LARPing as humans.
For Imperial Guard to make sense you would have to do some sniper female unit (we have historical pretendent so at least there people wont have issue suspending their disbelief) Or ignore the historical aspect and give their own unit like Dreamforge and now wargame atlantic and make an anti tank unit.

>>97499671
I can give IG as they are now a pass because cadia had a 100% conscription rate, the inevitable plastic catachans will also be fine because female catachans have been a thing. Krieg doesn't have females that I remember.

>>97497801
I'm perfectly fine with black space marines, but only when they belong to their relevant chapter.

>>97500230
There is a difference between the white shields (conscripts), Cadian Shock troopers (average guardsmen) and Kasrkin (Storm Troopers).
Conscripts having mixed squads is fine no one cares.
Regular Guardsmen having those, you start to stretch the suspension of disbelief.
Sadly GW are hacks and they are using the same kit for White Shield and Shock Troopers. So now not only we have this half ass women soldiers we are also missing proper child solders

>>97500294
>they are using the same kit for White Shield and Shock Troopers
That was the case with the old kit as well, and I honestly think we don't need a dedicated conscript box. Female white shields naturally move to the shock troops after their period of service, white shields weren't conscripts like the rest of the IG mean, they were just the youngest recruits. For cadia and other fortress worlds at least, you can use the kits as they are. The fact is you're probably going to have a shitload of boxes anyway, and you can headswap, so you can just move the female heads to specialist teams, conscripts or whatever. The kasrkin kit is all male IIRC, even if there are some females in the fluff at times (at least, there were in that WD story, don't know about the rest)

>>97497801
>made from the genes of their primarch
>turn into an african
kek miracle of science I guess, but yeah I won't be giving GW any money

>>97497801
Why is /tg/ so infested withi Ledditors?

>>97497801
>They all came from Earth anyway
No, and you don't know anything about 40k lore.

>>97503316
Okay sweatie, where did humans come from if not earth?

>>97499237
That was obvious when he called it 'the empire' anon

>>97502356
Its been nearly a decade of this nonsense. All the oldfags have left and covid brought in a billion normalfags with normalfag marvelslop opinions. All that's left are people who don't own a single model arguing with videogame secondaries over the ruins.

>>97503384
Where did white people come from, if not from Africa?

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>>97497816
Hope GW brings back some more old armies.

>>97497810
do you think space wolves are descendants from skandinavians? you cant be that retarded, can you?

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>>97498029
>>97498049
>>97498266
Working with grok to give me some inspiration, I'm gonna work on a kitbash and post it here on /tg/ in a few weeks.
To be honest though, grok isn't great for this, all the other designs have been more appropriate for chaos marines

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>>97503453
It's hard to make a Zulu spess muhreen. Even including specific zulu keywords in the prompt tends to just spit out a genericised african look, kind of like a warhammer wakanda.
It's hard to explain this shit to Europeans, but like imagine a genericised European aesthetic that had a guy's outfit include lederhosen, a string of garlic around the neck and a bowler hat. That's sort of how these appear to me.
I'm not saying I hate them, just that it's hard to get the specific zulu aesthetic when you have zero creative skills like me.

>>97497801
old enough to remember space Orcs painted with nazi scheme
you paint yours guys however you like

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>>97503467
I expected worse, you can work with that. There would need to be an emphasis on animal pelts and painted shields, otherwise you would risk to look like a carcharodon knock off.

>>97504038
It really, really doesn't want to do nguni shields. Fun fact, nguni shields are meant to be used in a similar way to coats of arms, to identify who's who on the battlefield, and different zulu regiments had different shield designs and colours.

>>97503439
space wolfs being gay black furries in space who have sex with male wolves and then turn into gay wolves is pretty on brand huh.

>>97497816
to be fair cathay is also retarded with the females being 50% of the soldiers, but many of their models are solid like the skyjunks.

>>97506331
>but many of their models are solid like the skyjunks.
Theyre dogshit bland.

>>97503453
This paint scheme would be too hard for you which is probably why no one does african marines.

>>97505489
berry interesting. I guess your chapter's lore would be instead of companies they would have Impis and their homeworld would be 80% uninhabitable mountains and deserts like the Drakensberg or Kalahari where barbarian tribes eke out a miserable existence with a coastal region good for raising cattle with medieval walled kraals for defending against barbarian raiders from the deserts and mountains, with the people of the coasts occasionally being unified under great leaders who drive the barbarians into the interior in great 'mfecane' or 'cullings'.

And perhaps you could make a reference about how they have no word for greater than 10, they just say 'mainingi' so the chapter's impi may have more or less than 100 if they need manpower they have manpower.

>>97503467
probably should specifically have some elephant motifs, since the capital of the zulu was Umgungundlovu 'the place of the elephant', the term "Elephant" referring to the king in the same way the chinese might compare their emperor to a dragon, the aztecs a jaguar or the english a lion before they became super inbred and gay.

>>97506339
Naw they're based and you're gay. Flying ships are baller when done right (the kharadons do them WRONG since the balloon is too small).

>>97497801
is this copypasta? you post the exact same thing every time
>They all came from Earth anyway, so why does it matter?
We all know "Diversity Is Our Strength" isn't bringing anyone into the space age.
>If you really want to cope just assume they immigrated from some other planet in the empire, they have space travel.
no one immigrates to DEATH WORLDS

>>97499250
>Especially now that they got rid of the old Vader wannabes.
T A S T E L E S S

>>97499427
yes that's what they mean

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>>97497801
>where are the black people? can we put black people in this? it doesn't need to be internally consistent, just make people black! look everyone, we put black people in this! are you mad that we put black people in this, chud? black people! anyway, why does it matter?

>>97506798
>Slophammer
>Internally consistent

LMAO

>>97503467
Fair point, but don't overthink it. What makes the Woofs 'viking'? They have beards, wolf pelts, vaguely nordic-themed decorations and a preference for axes. Find a similar shorthand. Basically, if I'm playing Civ 3/4 again, I'm in no doubt that I'm looking at a Zulu spearman, and that's just a tiny graphic. So: feather crests, fluffy leg coverings, animal pelts, the assegai/cowhide shield? It's reductive, but similarly Bretonnian heraldry doesn't stick too slavishly to the Hundred Years War, nor the Templars to the Crusades. It really is 'feel over real'.

>>97499582
what if it's a double implication that most klan groups and neonazi groups are psyops run by intelligence agencies like mossad to honeytrap people?

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>>97506353
This one is my favourite so far, although the crusades era kite shield(maybe?) is killing me. I tried straight up describing an nguni and that's what it puts out.
The techno-assegai is fucking dope though exactly what I wanted, even if it is apparently attached to the bottom of the magazine.
>This paint scheme would be too hard for you which is probably why no one does african marines.
I wonder about printing out clear stickers with leopard print on them, then cutting them to shape and sticking them onto the pauldrons for example. Think that'd work?

>>97507116
I've never actually done leopardskin as far as I can recall, but I HAVE done tartan and checks on line troops (annoyingly, I haven't got the pics to hand) because I hate myself, and you get into a rhythm. On the face of it, it's 'just' a tan dot surrounded by 4 black ones, repeated as needed, but I concede that could get old quickly.

>>97506660
>no one immigrates to DEATH WORLDS
People come to America in the millions

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>>97499549
seconding. luv me sum yakub may mays.

>>97507116
Don't stress out about specifics so much on AI slop; they'll be under your control when you actually do it. Use it as a preliminary sketchbook, proof of concept as it were.

>>97497801
Fenris is a Death World. It is a SHITTY Death World. Nobody immigrates to Fenris. Fenris was colonized over 10k years ago. Any black people that MIGHT have been there would have lost their melanin ages ago due to it being a frozen shithole, as melanin inhibits vitamin D production, leading to health problems, along with higher suicide rates. Given the planet is already as shitty as it can get outside of Catachan, I'd imagine they'd have been pretty high early on if the local fauna didn't get the kill first.

Also, just fuck off. Fenrisians have their own culture and look. Why would you want to muddy that by having black people as Space Wolves? You wouldn't want White Scars to not be Asian, you wouldn't want Salamanders to be white, why are Space Wolves black? This is like taking your box of Crayons and melting all the colors together.