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WIP In Progress Edition
>Full-on /WIP/ OP Links Pastebin
https://pastebin.com/BE42AEcD
>WIP Tutorial Images Mega
https://mega.nz/#F!TvQFCaLb!w8WZKCcOsTRasxrI0JWezw
>Saint Duncan's "Six Things I Wish I Knew When I Started Painting"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufP8ka3KGno
>Saint Duncan also explains thinning your paints
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxWgsqSf74s
>Paint thinning 102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDVPoNXyVI
>4 EASY Chipping Tricks For Beginners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku4comhKHJM
>Decal Like a Pro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYKLiEW7p9c
>How to Edge Highlight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoRbYuAfbEk
>How to use contrast style paints
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhholrozptI
>How to Paint with Tremors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqp76vAJu9g
>Airbrush Priming and Thinning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkntrSBvXxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGjBQzoukFg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JVUxABe44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEqT_R41JX8
>In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future,There is Only... MUSIC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59NORGNnWlQ
>Who's Johnny, she'd say, and smile in her special way
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Johnny
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Nothing makes me feel more retarded than using the airbrush. This hellish implement genuinely makes me wonder if tool usage is a human universal. Every single fucking time I fuck up the mix. "Just go for the consistency of skim milk", then I do that, and sometimes it will be basically spraying water on the model, other times I'll get a clog. Then the trigger, I'll be spraying normally then suddenly it becomes a fucking paint shotgun. I don't fucking get it. Why can't I wrap my head around it at all? Why did I pick up an artistic hobby when I am retarded? How am I being filtered by mixing fucking paints?
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>>97841034
I prefer the wisdom of the H&S video where they recommend you mix in a dish and then test how it drips to check the consistency. I don't tend to prod skimmed milk in a dish, so I struggle to relate it to paint
Honestly, airbrushing can be a breeze for some paints and a nightmare for others, so I wouldn't say this is exclusively a "you" thing. I struggle like fuck to get red to spray neatly without clogging or sputtering, and it seems to want to turn into a stretchy latex consistency when drying even if thinned properly
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>>97841034
If that would make you feel better, I still couldn't figure out why I get internal (inside nozzle, around the needle) drying problem and after being convinced it must be related to imperfections of parts of my Chinese (Polish-Chinese, to be honest) airbrush, I bought H&S Evolution - only to find out that problem persist. So I wasted money to get very expensive tool only to find out that problem lied elsewhere. Oh and factory workers screwed some elements like needle handle so tight that I had to use tools and WD40 to unscrew it (used clothes for securing the surface to prevent scratches but middle golden part still got some).
If you are retarded, that makes two of us.
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>>97841034
Anon, are you still struggling with the airbrush? I was reading your posts in the past few threads, but I was in a country that's IP rangebanned, so I couldn't reply. Guide me through your process, from mixing paints (ratios, what kind of paints/thinners/flow improvers you use, how do you mix them, what colors are you trying), tell me what compressor are you using/what PSI, tell me how do you actually spray (are you using proper technique?), and how long do you keep the paint inside your airbrush, too. I'm pretty sure you are doing some elementary thing wrong, and that's solvable.
t. airbrush autist
btw "Just go for the consistency of skim milk" is a retarded advice. It's true, but retarded. Better way to know if you have your paints thinned enough is to just dip some shitty old brush into it, and let the drop of paint fall down; it shouldn't have any strings or similar, it should be just a pure drop, the moment the liquid is taking it's time or have a "tail", you need to thin more.
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Any anons in here with a good substitute for Imotekh's fuckass pedestal? It's such an absurd tactical rock.
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How should I shave off this kind of residue on a 3d print? Is it files like regular plastic or should I use sandpaper or try scraping it?
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>>97841059
I don't want to impersonate somebody else by accident but by saying *posts in the past few threads", do you mean anon, who had problem with paint drying inside the nozzle and not on the tip, clogging airbrush after few minutes of usage? Because I reported such problems fee times, desperately trying to find some solution but again, don't want to "jump in place" of somebody else that might need help more.
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>>97841168
Yup. Also tried Tamiya paints (acrylics) with their thinner to test out since they are alcohol based and thus some sort of "autocleaning", they didn't clog but after spraying there was still present paint inside the nozzle.
Overall, I find that Evolution harder to work with - trigger moves easily back now (used to work hard at beginning) but it still puts visible resistance when I press it for air and nozzle itself is quite long, longer than my longest synthetic brush I would normally use to clean it.
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>>97841183
I wanna help out, but I need you to describe the entire process, anon.
>nozzle is long
In normal use, you don't have to worry about nozzle at all, just clean the needle from time to time with a brush dipped into cleaner, or just with your fingers.
Wait, you aren't opening/messing with the nozzle with the paint inside your airbrush/cup, right?
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>>97841213
Could be worse.
>trying a color scheme
>like it
>paint it on more dudes
>start hating it
>strip the paint off my army
>reprime everyone
>start thinking about other ways to paint them
>end up painting them in the same way but with a different metallic color
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No, I always empty the cup and flush it with water/cleaner before opening.
As for process, after setting up pressure (tried 1.2, 1.5, 1.8, 2.0 bar) I would pour thinner first into the cup, then paint, keeping thinning at 1:1 ratio or slightly more thinner than paint (which would usually cause paint to flow pretty easily inside the cup, I also tried replacing roughly 20% of thinner part with flow improver), more thinner would make paint flow on the sprayed surface and visibly moisture paper when sprayed on it. I would mix it with soft, long brush inside the cup, tried mixing outside but it would only mean wasting a lot of paint that was left in tray and I once accidentally caught some dried up lump with it and completely jam the nozzle (really, when I noticed that needle would not return to "standby" position I knew that things went south bad). After done spraying, I would clean it by first using that squeeze bottles to remove whatever was left in cup with water, wipe gently inside of cup and add some cleaner (Vallejo one). It was then when I would often notice thin layer of paint on the needle when pulling trigger fully back and if I would try that "bubble back" method, it would blow back paint to the cup - even after few of such flushes.
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so how should i go with these ? red and bronze like on the box ? black and gold ? deep blue and gold ?
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>>97841307
>No, I always empty the cup and flush it with water/cleaner before opening.
There's still no reason to mess with it unless you are cleaning the entire thing.
>the process
Sounds alright. But are you cleaning the needle during spraying? I can't see that in the text. You should be constantly checking up on the needle when you are spraying - the paint sticks there naturally, that's just the nature of the beast, and you need to keep cleaning it to prevent clogging. Smaller nozzle/needle, less pressure (when spraying little, detailed stuff) usually requires more flow improver and more frequent cleaning, and vice versa.
Most people clean it with an old brush soaked in cleaner. A lot of people just use their fingers to remove the paint from the needle - just like picrel (Jose). I prefer the brush method.
Braping the paint back is only good for mixing (and cleaning, when you have a cleaner/clean water in the cup), and I still don't really consider it that optimal, since it often messes up the insides. But if you are already halfway to a clog, don't do it, it will only make the issue worse.
Also, how's your spraying technique? Are you holding it down and just spraying, or are you doing the back and forth movement while keeping the airflow on?
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>>97841353
I was checking the needle tip after spraying but it usually remains clean and free from paint. Sometimes when I notice that there is indeed some layer forming here, I would use makeup brush (since they are so soft) with water to clean it. But clogging would still happen.
As for trigger movement, I noticed that a lot of YT guys recommend that pulse trigger movement but I found out that I cannot maintain it consistent (unless I use that limiter on the back) so I simply hold for air, pull back until it start to spray and try to keep it here. I also remember to move it forward to "standby" position before closing air. But often keep air blowing when I adjust position for, say, another line, even with needle not retracted and paint not flowing.
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Brainstorming an idea I should have started weeks ago. What do you think? 32mm or 40mm?
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>>97841411
>I was checking the needle tip after spraying but it usually remains clean and free from paint
No no no, no. You NEED to clean the needle regularly DURING spraying, anon. That's literally the most important basic rule of airbrushing. Especially if you are doing acrylics. Experienced airbrush artists do this compulsively every (half a) minute or so, depending on what they are working on. If you don't do this, it WILL lead to clogging. It can give you gradual clogs, too, if you half-ass it. You need to keep the needle as clean as possible. Try doing it with a cleaner instead of water; you can keep just a tiny amount of it in a pot next to you, dip your brush (I use old dry brush, since it is soft, but still abrasive enough) into it, and clean the needle of ALL paint, no matter how little there is.
I can't stress how important this is, especially if you are new and keep your air continuously on (which leads to further drying of the paint on the needle). You can help this by using more flow improver, but you still need to clean the needle regularly during spraying. This is why brushes like Evolution that have the needle directly available, are always better.
Yes, pulsing is the optimal way, because it minimizes clogging and delays the need for cleaning the needle.
Also, are you keeping the paint inside the cup for prolonged periods of time? If so, don't do that. Consider airbrush a wet medium; if you are taking a break for a few minutes or so, it's better to flush the paint, fill the cup with water before leaving. Never keep just the paint inside your cup doing nothing.
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Sorry, I mean "after spraying" as in "spray few lines, release trigger and check the needle tip", not after whole process is done. I was just thinking something is wrong since everyone mention this tip drying problem while I didn't notice paint gathering and drying there. But why exactly would keeping air flowing cause further dry? Wouldn't air flow blow away what was left on the tip? And no, I try to avoid leaving paint in the cup, keep it here only for a long as I spray.
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Finished my Notagriff
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This guy took a lot of fiddling to get looking decent on a 25mm base. Sort of a heavy handgunner concept. A more industrialized appearance than the other handgunner.
Still deciding on his side arm, I was kind of thinking a falchion would look cool. They have that sort of weighty and mass produced appearance to them compared to the fancier renaissance and late medieval swords. I think it would fit the aesthetic well. I was thinking of maybe hanging a little pan or something from his blanket roll there on the shield, to give him a real "on campaign" self sufficient kind of appearance.
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Happy Easter!
Updated elf pic, I'm liking the red more than the purple
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And one with the gem
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>noooo guys I tried fucking absolutely literally everything but I cant airbrush properly no matter what it must be some kind of weird pocket dimension where my airbrush wont work properly no matter what i swear guise!!!!!!!!!111!!!one!
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>>97841810
Better throw it all into trash instead of trying to find out probably overlooked but elementary cause that everyone else no longer even consider? God forbid discussing painting techniques in /WIP/ thread.
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>>97841521
>Wouldn't air flow blow away what was left on the tip?
Some, but when it's already dried a bit, it will only make it worse. Which is bound to happen unless you clean it regularly.
Anyway, have you tried different compressors? And, you bought it directly from HS? If so, you tried contacting them? If not, is the place where you bought it actual place, or just an eshop? If they have an actual store, it might be a good idea to literally bring the airbrush there and try it out. Or at least send them a message, asking them about the issue.
Btw, if you are from EU, you should be able to buy something and return it in 14 days no questions asked. Might be worth trying different compressors that way.
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I don't think that compressor would change anything, even if, I don't really have a choice as I only have Chinese compressors at shops to pick from. But it have that moisture trap at the front, which actually catch some water so I guess it works. Air also flows without issues. Didn't buy from H&S directly but from local shop, emailed H&S about possible causes/solutions but they never replied. 14 days passed long time ago.
I appreciate your help but maybe I'm just unnaturally unlucky.
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*cough, cough*
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Konrad Kurze WIP, I'm slow AF.
Also choosing to make it full silver NMM was not my best choice.
Wish me luck anons
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>wouldn't airflow blow away what was left on the tip?
The H&S instructional videos explain that having a dry tip is always a bad thing, and until you've cleaned thoroughly you want to make sure the tip stays wet. They advise having a semi-regular blast through with a large amount of paint when doing detail work to make sure the paint stays wet. Not letting off the air regularly, or using too much air for the amount of paint you're spraying, is probably what's killing your technique.
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>>97841592
I like it, how did you weather it?
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Maroon, gold and navy blue trim
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Finished off the missile drones and airbrushed the white onto my sub assemblies for a broadside. Just waiting for it to dry and I should finish painting it tonight.
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did this yesterday. it's hot flouro pink irl but the camera wants it to be red
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doin up this one today. my paints are looking a bit grim
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First time in months I genuinely want to abandon miniature and admit it defeated me, being too hard for me to finish. After washes started to work on skin and white (sort of, it's supposed to be white but it will be left this green-like) but I constantly go over the area, strokes are clearly visible and I have actual physical problems focusing my eyes on where brush is supposed to go, sometimes getting double vision if I won't focus back.
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>>97842351
I think u might be overthinking it? looks fine to me. r u wearing magnifying glasses or smth?
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kawaiii~!
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based chad elves
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cute
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>>97841413
32mm, too much empty space on the 40mm even if u add flowers
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do the metals like verdigris and gold and the furs purple and the skins various colours? orange or greens? u have lots of various d00dz so u could do various schemes
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>>97842247
>How did you weather it
By fucking up the enamel wash and then trying to cover it up with a heavy overbrush. If you like it I'll chalk it up to a happy little accident.
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>>97841787
Happy Easter, anon!
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>I think that was old WIP banner anyway
I took the day off from making us a collage. I'll do us one next time.
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>emailed H&S about possible causes/solutions but they never replied
Yeah, they tend not to reply to people who didn't buy from them. Tho you could get sneaky, and try commenting under their unlisted Youtube videos (you get a link with a QR code that comes with your airbrush), Warwick tends to reply to all of the comments. You can use my link, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nb0N0UBPvI
Otherwise, if you have a hobby or art center nearby, literally take the airbrush there and try it out with other people. Or, try to describe your issue to a Grok or something similar. It's a long shot, AI tends to be retarded as fuck, but it can occasionally find some poor motherfucker on some page 59 Google results that got same issue as you.
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>>97842706
AI really can get super retarded due to all the Reddit bullshit it was fed during training, ChatGPT for once assumed that I should use LESS thinner because "it makes paint dry faster". I fail to see a logic here.
Pretty bummer on H&S reply policy but thanks for video tip, maybe I should try that with Evolution video, no idea why they delist it however and how it differs from what they already openly show on their YT channel.
I guess I should spend less time on theorising and more on actual field testing but so far whole setup before and after really takes a lot of time plus breathing in half-mask is problematic (cannot have active ventilation, have to suffice with cardboard box and mask to prevent inhaling whatever would bounce back).
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I'm pretty much done the ghost lady. I don't know what I'm gonna do with the base, probably just phone it in and do some sponge concrete and dust.
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>>97842217
>Seems like airbrushing is a lot harder than what people "paint" it
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Any tips on how to make a regular sword painted in TMM look interesting? I've seen how a lot of shadows and highlights can make a more interesting shaped weapon look really good, but a sword is usually just a couple of flat planes. I've never managed a sword that I think looks good or draws the eye.
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>>97842981
shade it with a wash/contrast/glaze in a NMM-ish style
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>>97842981
If you have a transparent paint mix a tiny bit of it into your metallic for your base color. You can use the pure metallic as your highlight and the pure transparent to glaze your shadows. Kind of like if you're painting white armor where you need to use white as your brightest highlight since you can't go brighter, instead relying on contrast from your midtone and shadow to make it look white.
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done for today
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Ok, so it's mostly about sort of emulating NMM style with light and shadow placement. Just with metal paints. I guess I'll look at how people do NMM on swords and see if that helps. Thanks anons.
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>>97842890
>plus breathing in half-mask is problematic
That also shouldn't be an issue. But hey, one problem at a time.
>AI is retarded
Yeah, it is. I had most luck with Grok, when it comes to hobby shit, because for some reason, it seems to prefer scale modelling forums instead of sycophant brainlet faggots on reddit. But it still sometimes spouts retard shit.
>no idea why they delist it
I think it's to filter plebs from flooding the person who answers the comments. They get like five to ten comments under the delisted videos, and these seem like they all have replies.
>>97842981
Seconding this >>97842985 Imo the best approach.
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>>97842981
this >>97842985
or this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsgFPMsnAKE
tldw; push contrast to the extreme
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>>97843113
Latex makeup sponges, you can buy the wedges in bulk and cut them up into whatever sizes and shapes you need. They're absorbent, and the latex ones can be cleanly cut without crumbling like the foam ones do.
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>>97843107
Evolution have 80 comments, including some funny one (like one guy complaining that he took it apart first and after putting together got bubbles in cup, my first thought was "you didn't screw the head enough" and that was indeed H&S response). But yeah, makes sense.
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Actually, it will be 10C tomorrow and at night it can drop to -2C. Due to how my apartment building is located, opening window actually cause wind to blow inside the room instead.
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I still haven't decided what scheme I'll do for my Knights.
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>>97840919
Finished my 10x ratlings
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Looks great
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How do I get to this level of skill in painting? I want to start painting figures for warhammer, halo flashpoint, and sw legions but Im a perfectionist. Even a lot of the tutorials by experienced painters never look as good as the advertisement pictures, which is understandable, but someone had to do it for the ads so it must be possible I just dont know what to focus on learning. Are they taping to get clean lines? Airbrushing? Do I just pay someone experienced to get this level of quality because itll take too long for me to learn?
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>>97843482
>How do I get to this level of skill in painting?
Practice.
>someone had to do it for the ads so it must be possible
They are ads so it's possible if not even likely that the photos have been touched up digitally.
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>>97843511
>literally didn't even start painting
>set higher goals for yourself
>can't see shit in that picture
>these aren't very good
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I lied
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>>97843482
For starters, none of them were remotely as good when they painted their first minis.
There's years of experience, colour theory, good lighting, good photography and good edition behind these pictures, likely involving half a dozen people to get the final result.
>I'm a perfectionist
In that case, I hope you're willing and ready to spend years and lots of money honing the handful of skills necessary to get to this level.
>Where do I start?
At the beginning. From what you've written, it seems you haven't even painted your first miniature. So, just paint, learn and do it for long enough that you can replicate a paintjob like this. There are no shortcuts or hacks, really.
You could also paypig your way out of this and comission someone, but that's no fun at all.
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Hard times this week brothers
On the bright side, I feel pretty good about the nmm gold, seeing some improvements. Sorry for the slightly blurry photo
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>>97843482
Learn to let go of the perfectionism. You'll get there by painting 1,000 minis, and they the first 999 won't be perfect.
Once you have the skills, there's still a tradeoff between quality and taking too damn long to get through your backlog. Competition minis often take 100+ hours each and you're not going to paint armies like that.
A few tutorials or lessons are worth it because you need direction, not just practice. But I've seen people spend years learning and not doing, and they still can't paint. Find one whose style you like and join their Patreon. Could be Lil Legend Studios, El Miniaturista, Electric Eve, dunno who else. I learned a lot from Lil Legend. I haven't painted all that much, though, so I'm only okay. I'm trying to do more this year.
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paintan some slayers today. experimenting with different red hair colors to diversify my nude chudlings
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>>97843612
Some of this girl's comics are funny, but I lump her in with the weird group who go on about their art while their art is like objectively shitty and low effort. A lot of web comic artists are the same way. LavenderTowne on youtube is the same, constantly whinning about AI art while not actually being a good artist herself.
You can still complain about AI art, but at least when it's coming from somebody like Kryjovnik it seems more legitimate when their art is actually halfway decent.
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I present my attempt at Saim-Hann cinnamon, as well as the first eyes I've ever done. Definitely need to make another pass with the glaze layer to make it less spotty.
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>>97843482
Get some minis and prime them. Get a #2 natural sable brush and some decent acrylics meant for minis and start painting. Pay attention to how you can push pigment with the tip of your brush or pull it away from the edge of whatever you're painting.
I'll go as small as a #0 brush, but any smaller and the paint dries as I raise it up to the mini. A fine point on a larger brush is all you need. Good brushes keep a fine point longer.
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>>97843407
Yeah. I've dabbled in some War Dogs which I painted in two schemes I didn't end up adoring before moving into a big one.
They do take a shitton of time to build if due to all the magnetizing. You also have to paint a ton of weapons. It's fun and satisfying because they're such fucking cool models though, and I like painting vehicles.
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Hair is done and I'm actually quite happy with it. Everything else is mostly just base colors so far. The armor is probably going to be the hardest since I want to try to emulate Miniac's TMM video the best I can.
Only thing I'm stuck on right now is whether to try to make the chest armor read as a burgundy leather and try to differentiate it from the same colored gloves or just make it the same cloth material as the gloves. Not sure how I would make it read as leather. It's not like a vampire really needs armor anyway.
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calling it done on these Bostons
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>>97842873
Thanks! I love metal slug, and if I were better at sculpting rounded surfaces all my vehicles would look like that.
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>>97845531
Here is a random Sister who should have a normal face.
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>>97845547
She is sideways, brother!
I don't know. It looks like some paint *might* have settled in the recess between the hair and sides of her face, but also it's a sister face. Hard to say because they are so bad to begin with.
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>use black primer so you can struggle painting over it with low coverage colors
>slop your entire model with acrylic wash so you can have to repaint all the places it stains
I literally don't understand the eavy metal workflow. it's like it's designed intentionally to make things more difficult than they need to be.
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You know as I have gathered experience when it comes to minipainting I've come to appreciate it.
Sure the
basecoat -> wash -> restore basecoat
workflow never made any sense to me but I've come to appreciate the usage of washes to mimic occlusion shadows
If i were to try and 'optimize' it I would
> prime in white
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>>97845680
I mean, sure, but its way more time consuming than just slapping the thing in the whole area.
Lets imagine a face
You can
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Then why H&S videos talk about 1:1 ratio for "airbrush" lines of paint and when using "normal" lines like Vallejo Game Color, they use 2:1 thinner:paint ratio?
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>>97845608
White spray primers are like 10x more likely to fuzz up on you than black.
I used to use them anyway, and if you miss a spot it's a lot more visible than over black. You really have to get all those spots between a space marine's chest and bolter, and all those spots behind his backpack. Not a big deal now, but when I was new it was a lot more work. Also, colors that don't cover well aren't great over white, either. I've some some patchy-ass Blood Angels.
But yeah, they should've taught targeted wash applications instead of slopping it on. The latter works great with oils and not too badly with Contrast paints if someone teaches you that you can use a brush to remove it from where it isn't supposed to be. Both can be manipulated longer than washes can.
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Painted the eyes on this lil dude yesterday. I'm pretty happy with how they look, but I'm tempted to brighten the red further
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>>97843416
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Thinning depends on the color/paint used, and on your need. 1:1 is usually a safe bet or starting point with most regular acrylics, but otherwise it's all individual. For example, I use 1:1 (paint : vince's airbrush mix) with most of the greens I use, apart from Vallejo Luftwaffe Green (probably my favorite green color), which comes a bit thicker out of the bottle, so I usually do something like 8 drops of paint : 10-12 drops of the mix. On the other hand, with AK (off)whites, I usually go 1:2 ratio, or even 1:3, because of how thick they come. That's for regular spraying. Now, when you need to do some closeups, or hair-thin painting on a mini (very close to the plastic, very low pressure, trigger limiter on), the ratios become a lot wilder, with fuckload of flow improver on top of everything. No issue with using 1:4 or even 1:8 (depending on a paint and color, ofc).
Still, it ain't a science, just thin it so that it drops freely. You'll get a hang of it quick. I personally dislike using hobby airbrush paints, because they are ultimately a bit more expensive, and from experience, still require a bit of thinning, which kinda defeats the purpose.
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>>97846572
Thinning your paints for airbrushing with water creates mustard gas.
Seriously though, the problem with thinning with water is that it weakens the acrylic binders, too. It's fine for brush work, but with airbrush it results with crappy, weak finish (literally can scrub the paint with a gentle touch). Also, airbrush thinners not only thin the paint, they also have paint retarders in it. Atomized water = drying too fast on the needle = sputtering, clogging and other issues.
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Oh. I thought that flow improver contains retarder instead. But that also creates a question why we use water for brushwork and not mediums. I mean, I know why I do - because last time I used Vallejo "acrylic medium", it started to reactivate old paint during layering.
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>>97846718
They all have their pros and cons. But if there was a brand that has the most pros and least of cons, I would say AK.
Then again, most of the big brands are pretty good, it's kinda hard to go wrong.
Apart from AP. Fuck AP.
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WIP knights. Just need to add transfers and grass which I'll do later this week.
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>>97845862
Shit isn't plug and play. ProAcryl say to use as little thinner as possible, just enough to get it to spray smooth. For me that ends up being 2:1 or 3:1 paint to thinner. And this all depends on your weather, humidity, temp, etc. Airbrushing takes some finagling to get right, you need to fiddle with your mixes and PSI until you find what works for you. You can't depend on what others say, maybe use it as a starting point but you need to play with it yourself from there. Do not airbrush models that you care about at first, airbrush some random sprues or test minis until you have it down.
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>>97845608
Remember that its marketed towards new painters that don't have a lot of brush control yet. Targeted washing/pinlining, layers of glazes, crosshatching, etc. may give better results but require some knowledge and experience to make look good. Could be intimidating to a new painter, easier to say "just slap these colors on, put the wash everywhere, then brighten small parts up again" to a new painter and get them in the door that way. Even here people sometimes are worried about "ruining their minis", its paint and plastic nothing to ruin. Unless you melt them in acetone, which I have certainly never accidently done to several units of bikes or anything.
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>>97847159
afaik they are not, last time i tried to look into it i found a video comparing atom and ionic and one of the two was objectively worse, don't remember wich one, fuck em and their shitty product lines, i'll buy ak or whatever thx
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Any ideas on doing this black, rusted armour effect? Chipping medium and then oil streaking?
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>>97845862
the point of reducer is to thin the paint is to get it to flow through the airbrush and atomize correctly. retarder is to make it dry slower when it's on what you're painting. you are the only one apparently having a problem with paint drying inside the airbrush. paint isn't supposed to dry inside the nozzle any more than it would inside the bottle, because if you would have watched any of the videos that have been linked for you, there's no air inside that part of the airbrush.
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>>97846718
pro acryl whites, vallejo silvers, scale 75 coloured metallics, army painter for coverage and washes, ak probably the least bad all-rounder but not the best at anything.
two thin coats are a rip off (as are pro acryl but titanium white is just that good). GW bad apart from a handful of weird unique colours you can't find anywhere else. but every brand has a few of those.
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>freshly bought brush
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I guess she is finished. I really shouldn't paint such highly detailed minis, they are simply too hard for my skill level. I hope that fire reads as fire, too.
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>>97847715
No, Davinci series 36, size 2. "Kolinsky Rotmarder" so not their premium line (I think it's called "Maestro") but 75 PLN (nearly 18€) for single size 1 is a bit too much for me.
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>>97847718
I've seen far worse fire, but it's difficult to sell the effect when it's darker than the majority of the model. it should probably also be brightest nearest the source of the heat not consistently along the length
you should touch up the stomach with a more pinkish tone to match the rest of the skin.
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>>97847718
Ah cool
I haven't tried that line or that brush but it looks pretty decent. I stressed so much about my first nice brush and thought that I ruined it, but I'm still using it nie than a year later and it's still great. Get some nice brush soap if you haven't and it'll help a lot. Little loose hairs like that you can trim no problem, as long as the tip is nice. It's a very manual thing to put those brushes together so it is normal for some to do what yours did. I also think your mini looks rad. Great job finishing her
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>>97847888
I had to soak my primed mini for a week in 99% isopropyl alcohol and brush it with an old electric toothbrush to get the primer off, and even then parts were stubborn. Stripping is absolute last resort for me, and I'd rather get another of the same mini
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>>97847941
Use this undiluted for plastic, not sure about finecast. Use a glass jar as it will eventually weaken food safe plastic containers. Make sure you wear rubber dish washing gloves, not latex or neoprene that will dissolve, or you'll get some minor chemical burns on your hands that will itch and leave your skin peeling. Let the minis soak in the concentrate for a day or so then gently brush with some dish soap and a toothbrush. If primer remains let them soak another day. I did an experiment with some test minis and left them soaking for almost a year, the super glue bonds broke down but no adverse effects to the plastic.
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Current WIPs
Has anyone ever drilled out the hinges on a chimera to make it workable to open and close?
>>97847718
Glad you didn’t quit, the color scheme looks like teela from he-man, great work
>>97846906
Super clean, your freehand looks very solid, surprised you are using transfers
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Forgot my pic
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I'm done with this Predator for now. I lack the proper weathering products. I was thinking of getting a Summer Dust set by Ammo Mig. Should fit well enough with my basing scheme.
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>>97848441
no not really because imho the connections are so flimsy and hard to drill
i left the front ramp working on my 3 land raiders but glued them in the end because it always opened when i didnt need it to and i always forgot to open it when appopriate
cool idea though
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>>97848478
Very nice work and I enjoyed seeing your progress on it.
>>97847718
I think she still looks pretty good. Fire could use more contrast as in that yellow could be brighter and the tips a darker red, or maybe even black.
>>97847487
Happened to me a couple times, I just cut the stray hair, it didn't effect other bristles.
>>97846906
Lovely colors and very clean so far, the checkers look great.
>>97846088
Good detail work!
>>97844636
Very nice boats, I like how the wood looks a lot.
>>97844351
Yeah I think you did a good job on the hair. You could maybe try to imitate the satin look with some smooth highlights.
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>>97848721
I admit I don't really know how to paint fire except of having, let's say, "inverted highlights" aka red on the outside, yellow on the inside. Since she was sprayed with white over gray primer, I used "Imperial Fist", contrast here.
You sure that cutting hair like that won't cause problems with brush work later?
>>97847914
She served partially as test piece before when I was trying to figure out airbrush problems, she got sprayed with Tamiya white acrylic paint so maybe that's why. But skin is my bane in any case.
>>97847915
Okay. Davinci brushes were generally advertised as high quality stuff, their price is high for sure. Normally what I can find at my local shops are mostly Kolibri, some Lineo and Restaurohouse but I sadly noticed that most shops start to move toward synthetic direction.
>>97848430
Aw shit, didn't notice that before. Yeah, she looks a bit like her.
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I've accidentally painted my Alpha Legion in Sons of Horus colours. Oh well, I'm looking forward to oil washing them.
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>>97848000
I’ve used that on both fine cast and FW resin. I had them in an ultrasonic cleaner soaking for a week to a month depending on the mini, I’d run the cleaner 30 minutes every other day or so. Worked perfectly. Note that with plastic minis you will never get the primer off if it was rattle can, it has become one with the plastic. Resin minis stripped much faster than plastic too.
Cleaning a plastic Valkyrie with 4 coats of paint (I must be the 5th owner lol) took a month and some scrubbing with a toothbrush too. For scrubbing use the 80/20 rule, a gentle once over and then back in the soak is better than trying to get everything off at once. The goal of the brush should be just to help loosen and lift up material to expose new surfaces.
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FYI priming is not a base coat. You dont need a uniform finish. It’s totally fine to still have a small amount of the plastic poking through here and there. Especially with a rattle can, it’s far better to stop early than the try and get those last spots because you might to go far on others.
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As much as I like these old metal sculpts there are so many rough edges and miscast parts that make painting (or zooming in) feel bad. We've come so far.
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Is it bad to mix primers?
I used a rattle can to prime some minis, but I did a bad job of it and there's a couple places that aren't covered. Would there be any problems if I use my airbrush primer to fill in the spots? The colors aren't that different.
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>>97849067
The colors and placements are mostly good, just not contrasting enough.
>You sure that cutting hair like that won't cause problems with brush work later?
I'm talking about only that single stray hair, just need to be careful to not cut anything else, obviously. Of course if you're worried you can try reshaping it but I'm honestly not sure if it's possible.
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i remember priming this bloodthirster and for some reason the smell always stuck with me
20 something years ago i turned him into this nurgle daemon prince for some reason and it took half a day to get it clean with toothbrush and hand sanitizer
maybe month ago i stripped his friends too and with IPA it would have taken couple of hours really but i put them in ultrasonic washer just to see how it deals with old citadel spray and it didnt, i ran the cleaning program for 8 hours just to be sure
i scrubbed them clean by hand and that too took few hours
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I currently only have 1 Kolinsky brush and I very seldomly use it, a Windsor and Newton series 7, size 2. I'd like to have at least a couple others that I can use a bit more generally to get a better feel for natural hair brushes. Is there anything that's not astronomically priced right now that's also a reasonably good brush?
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She is complete.
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>>97849972
beats me why people always try to buy stuff directly from the manufacturer, check hobby stores, art stores, etc
palitras are even sold on aliexpress
also try not to live in the us, i heard is fucking shit with tariffs lately
i don't know where you guys but shit but is this any cheaper than w&n over there?
>https://www.michtoy.com/item-RAC-33SH-2-Pointed_Pure_Kolinsky_Sable_S ize_2.html
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>>97850110
Great job anon, I especially like her hair.
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I've just tested VMS Flat Varnish, and I don't like it. After big success with their primers (easily my favorite now), I've read a lot of cool shit about the varnishes, and I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if I have a crappy batch, but it just ain't good.
>Pros:
1. You can spray it directly from the bottle, no thinning needed. Very comfy.
2. The finish is fantastic, just a tinniest touch less matte than AK Ultra Matte, which still keeps colors a bit more vibrant while 95% of the flatness is there. It's perfect for me.
3. It dries fast as fuck, you can (carefully) paint over it in like an hour or two
4. When cured (a few days), it's actually fairly tough, which is uncommon with non-glossy varnishes
Regrettably, all that is washed away because of the:
>Cons
1. It's prone to leaving white spots/frosting, placement and regularity highly inconsistent.
2. You REALLY have to shake that bitch before spraying, like two minutes of vigorous shaking + vortex
3. I think you need to apply it really T H I C C for it to self-level. If you don't, it (in my experience) leads to point 1. - though I might be mistaken here.
So, all in all, it might work really well for ~1/35 large scale models, but smaller things you don't wanna flood with it seem to suffer from point 1.
Worse yet, I've asked them on their Youtube channel about it (under a video that actually shows the problem, albeit a lot less severe than I had), and I got some bullshit about dust in the air in the studio. And now the comment is gone from under that video, too. It might be google fucking up, but I just don't like that.
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Work in progress two headed orc champion. I'm thinking mace in one hand curved Cutlass in the other.
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isopropyl alchohol weakens abs-like resin? I threw a chunk of unpainted waste in the paint stripping pot for a few days and it does feel more flexible but at least it didn't melt. is there a better paint stripper for 3d prints?
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>>97850762
Don't give a fuck.
I didn't want to give a sword to the captain of a spear unit, so I gave him a double bladed glaive.
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>>97850187
No, but thank you.
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Thanks anons.
>>97850735
I didn't really know what to do with the eyes. I should have kitbashed some goggles or something like the Starcraft ghosts, but it was too late.
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Working on the Bladeguard Lieutenant is a lot less intimidating without six other unfinished Bladeguard on my work table!
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>>97851636
Dont add any water on the wet palette. Pull a little from your blob and spread it a little on the wet palette, that adds plenty of moisture to it. Make sure your brush is wicked out on some paper towels so its lightly damp. It will look too thick on the palette but will apply and dry smoothly. If you're trying to glaze with it then glazing medium helps a lot to thin it out, but does make them dry somewhat satin. This advice only works for colors that arent orange, fuck their orange, it's like a prethinned airbrush paint that is a different consistency than literally every other fucking paint in the range.
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>>97840919
I made a hat, first time doing leatherwork
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>>97851926
I'm contemplating wearing it for a new tabletop gaming store grand opening in my town. Gonna be donating a lot of my terrain and supplies so people can make more and just hang out and make stuff, or play some games
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>>97852031
the most important thing you can do is paint cleanly without chalkyness, splotchyness, visible brush strokes, or getting paint outside where you wanted it to be. if you can do this your work will look professional no matter how simple otherwise it is. if you can't do this your models will always look amateur no matter how many advanced techniques you learned from jewtube you use.
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I’m so sorry for posting a non-WIP.
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>>97847291
Small amounts of this stuff, applied in a very targeted fashion.
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When you are doing any oil stuff, paint a test patch at the same time on a plastic palette with the same thinned stuff you're putting on the model. for a while it will easily just wipe off, but at some point it will actually be a stable film and take a little more work (or solvents) to get it off. When it's at that state you know you're good, and you don't have to risk messing with the paint on the model to be sure.
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>>97852757
If it causes it to streak, yes. If not, then I don't think so. But if you are also sitting in the fan's way, your sinuses will dry out and may crack, making you more susceptible to Nurgle, so just be careful of that.
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>>97852031
The problem is usually brush hydration, not thinning the paint. Don't use paper towels to dab off excess, they suck too much water out of the brush, use tissues. Clean and recharge the brush more often than you want to.
Colour theory and contrast matter way more than skill to making a paint job look nice on the shelf.
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Say bye bye bases because apparently I'm too dumb to do a 50/50 mix
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>>97853087
I'm pretty happy with this dinky pot of "Game Masters" Neutral Red, it has a decent finish, but I'm not gonna proclaim it the best red ever just because it's what I got and I like it.
Got it in that D&D adventurer minis plus paints set released a while ago.
It's got decent coverage considering it's thinner than my Vallejo's.
But well, since the shit I heard was going on at the Vallejo factory I've been buying Army Painter pots instead.
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>>97853087
pre-takeover Vallejo Model Colour Cavalry Brown
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>>97853190
Army painter pots are decent. The gamemaster series might be a bit different but i had a hard time getting their dragon red to cover over black. Maybe neutral red isn't dragon red in the other line though, but glad it's working for you
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>>97853087
olg gw blood red
summoning red paint skizo
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>was
Still is, but I'd say its not a red for general use, more suited for glazes, or to add some colour variations.
Some good all rounder reds would be Mephiston Red, Khorne Red, VGC Scarlet Blood, to name a few.
Citadel reds are honestly pretty solid.
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>>97853234
I've been using it on black, it comes out burgundy, which is what I like.
Takes a couple coats if you wanna brighten it up, but at least it's not yellow.
Actually, this Vallejo yellow I got has great coverage, but it might be the only one I seen that does.
If I'da had it painting my Battle for Skull Pass Night Goblins when I was eleven, I think their shields woulda come out far crisper.
>Literally getting Vietnam flashbacks to my first attempt to paint yellow on black.
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Calling it on the sentinels
>>97852068
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all the marines I’ve gotten from the necron/nid boxes took me forever, I’ve painted two of the lieutenants and wished I’d spent more time on
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>all the marines I’ve gotten from the necron/nid boxes took me forever, I’ve painted two of the lieutenants and wished I’d spent more time on
Everything takes me forever, except touching up and rebasing eBay rescues. I can rationalize to myself that because I didn't paint them, it's OK if they are not up to my usual standards. A Lieutenant, OTOH, is a standout model responsible for leading a squad. I want to do a good job on this one.
I think eventually I will start caring less about my paint jobs - especially on squadboyz - just so I can get more models on the tables quicker.
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>>97854226
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This is absurd, the entire army needs to be painted to the exact same standard or else it looks like a patchwork mess.
A consistent mediocre army looks better than an army where a small handful of units stand out as looking different.
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It will eventually lose its tackiness after a few uses, silly putty is another alternative if you can't find the masking putty nearby. Mr Hobby also has masking fluid which works well but can be a little finicky (its like a thick acrylic paint, dries into a film you peel off afterwards).
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I absolutely love TTC "Dragon's Gold" but it's also very hard to find, I have one bottle but each time I paid a visit to some shop, they had none. Any similar, good alternative out there? Sadly, Vallejo metallics, while being the best ones out there, have only very desaturated gold.
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>>97848430
I'm ok with relatively plain shapes or skaven runes but full freehanded heraldry is a bit much for me. Maybe one day.
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Just going back to that airbrush troubleshooting - since I had to apply varnish, I assumed that I could as well do some training and testing. Thinning 2:1 (thinner to paint) of AK paint (ducat blue in this case) resulted in good, rather unrestricted flow but near the end noticed that it started to spray a bit grainy, despite 1.8 bar pressure. Since I tried mixing in a way H&S shows (with bubble back) I wonder if I was not mixing it properly or it somehow separated back. Also, after cleaning and flushing, I took it apart and noticed that there was still some leftover paint on needle. But that was despite not spraying any leftovers when I tested with water. I assume that there is still something wrong with my cleaning procedure then, especially since H&S show only two flushing with cleaner while I did four plus another four using just water and there was some paint left on the very bottom of the cup for most of time. Also still using Vallejo cleaner as it's supposed to be "gentle" and I don't really want to ruin something with using IPA for cleaning (except when I take needle out, then it makes no sense NOT to use IPA for the needle itself). Maybe I need to find someone for consultation in person.
Sorry for what might seems like blogposting butI have nobody else to tell.
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>>97854557
Good advice, yeah I prefer it with the extra detritus up top
>>97854226
Yeah I’ve been rehabbing two sentinels, 6hwt and 10 ratlings I got used from the lgs and eBay, I don’t have your ability to freshen them up that much (plus the catachans I’m using are 26 year old ones that I bought in 2000, they went from a terrible red white and blue scheme to a yellow and white penal legion to pacific war themed and I didn’t have the discipline to strip them)
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If you're airbrushing for more than a few minutes you should be mixing your paint as you're using it, either with a brush or blowback mixing as it may separate a little. I personally don't like to mix more than half a cup of paint at once and would rather have to mix batches with a water rinse between them. The longer the paint sits in the cup the more chance you get for separation or paint drying near the top and the dry paint sinking to the bottom near the needle to clog. Mixing more paint always takes less time than having to disassemble and full clean. You should also be taking the needle out and cleaning it between paint and varnish, just to be sure as you've seen there isn't some paint left near where the needle and nozzle meet.
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>>97855132
I was actually using different, old, Chinese airbrush for varnish application, I picked up that H&S for testing/training sinec I already had rest of the setup like compressor taken out. I was also using little paint at the moment, 3-5 drops plus whole thinner thing but that's for suggestion for frequent mixing. I honestly believe that at least part of my problems comes from missing some fundamental stuff that people on videos no longer even consider worth showing, treating it as obvious as breathing.
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>>97853087
Old army painter pure red was perfect, my recently purchased bottle is very pink in comparison
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>>97854957
>there was some paint left on the very bottom of the cup for most of time
I read this as
>there was no paint on the bottom of the cup some of the time
Which is exactly what we warned you about, letting the needle run dry.
The moment you get some drying, it gives a place for more paint to stick and dry, and cleaning will not be as simple. That's why when nothing has dried out, it can only require a couple of washes through, but when you've started to get drying, you have to be much more thorough
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>>97854957
for cleaning with IPA, I take out the needle and use a q-tip to clean the tip. I also use the q-tip in the front of the brush to dissolve any built up paint on the hole. it's been working better ever since I started doing that.
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some progress
i also realized the photo was shit too late so meh
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Dried test for my word bearers red armor, dioxizine purple preglaze on the left and indigo on the right. Both models are lacking highlights so these are just midtones and shadows to see how they would look. I'll be doing another test mini of the indigo with some more pronounced midtones and highlights along with the dark silver metallics before I commit on the legionaries kill team. I do like the purple preglaze but feel it came out a little to vibrant for what I want, but would look good for blood angels or something like that.
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freehand is fun
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>>97855722
Its a knight shin
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>>97855655
Thats some good shit.
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>>97854957
1) stop mixing in the cup
2) as long as it's spraying right who cares if there's paint left on the needle at the end? that's why you take it apart and clean it.
3) you can't ruin your airbrush by spraying alcohol through it. you could run gasoline through it (don't actually do this) and it wouldn't damage anything.
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>>97853087
Vallejo Dark Vermillion has been a recent favorite, especially for highlights.
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>>97856010
>you can't ruin your airbrush by spraying alcohol through it
>you can't ruin any reputable airbrush by spraying alcohol through it
ftfy. Some bottom of the barrel chinkshit airbrushes still use rubber seals/o-rings withoout any coating, so you can ruin them that way. But any normal, actual manufacturer already uses teflon-coated seals/o-rings that can take enamels and lacquers with no worry, so IPA is a non-issue.
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The Clowniflower enjoying some sunshine and fresh air after his varnishing.
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>>97856541
You don't have to watch, but the point is CYM mixing is a meme, and chromatic black is a meme, and the zorn palette is a meme. Real artists did that shit for a while and eventually realized it was all memes and then stopped and went back to acting normal hundreds of years ago.
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>>97856535
>controversial for clicks
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It is time. Priming some of my test marines as I type this, excited to get back into it.
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>>97856811
I only had time to listen to half the video but he doesn't seem to say anything at all about miniature painting and seems to be talking only about weird niche fine art "advice" from tiktok. It should surprise no one over the age of 25 that tiktok is full of bullshit.
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Starting a new mega project. Hopefully it'll be done by the end of the year
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WIP rogal dorn
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WIP other kriegsmen
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Vellas von Faine WIP. Worked mainly on the armor today. How does the steel look? I can see I need more contrast, but is it coming along decently? Doing metals is one of my biggest weaknesses currently.
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>>97857569
Not for a wash.
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>>97857543
ooh baby that's some good green
terrible ocean blending but here's the boats I've gotten painted
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>>97857635
Thank you, love all the detail of those models, like the light streaks showing the planks on the aircraft carriers.
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>>97857665
is this a watcher in the dark? I don't recognize the fig
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It is the little guy that came with this mob I think? Experimenting with some damaged purple on them atm, not too happy with the cold purple and the style but the magenta is too much, even if it works better.
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>>97857743
What a shit image soz
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>>97857749
here's my normal purple for reference
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>>97857635
Lovely work.
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Doing some more work on my Skorpekh Lord. After he's done I have another Hexmark to paint and then a Canoptek Reanimator.
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You are supposed to censor nipples and genitalia with Johnny's head.
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On the subject of coomer minis, I need to get back to picrel and finish her before I start on too many other things.
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Is there any different between oil thinner like Winsor spirit, Gamsol or Mr weathering solvent? Or they are the same shit with different hobby tax?
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>>97858153
I've used gamsol, winsor, mona lisa, and hobby lobby brands, all are pretty similar. Hobby lobby did seem to cause my acrylic primer to peel up in spots but that could have also been me wiping too hard. Out of them I prefer gamsol, almost no odor and low fumes so no headache with some simple ventilation, and it seems to be a little gentler on acrylic undercoats. Mona lisa would be my next choice, a little more odor but very similar performance.
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>>97857635
Nice boat(s)!
man, I miss playing Dystopian Wars. Good times, good times.
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>>97859063
>Nice boat