>>97862701
>All the action on the sides of the piece
>2 characters facing off
>fish eye effect
>Explosion in the background
>Tilt it 20-45 degrees
God i fucking hate modern GW art work because its all the same fucking shit, its literally down to a god damn formula at this point.

Who ever the artist is, they fucking suck.

>>97862701
Corax. There's just not much going on there besides
>safe edgy Curze
The loyalists already have the Sanguins for tortured dark secret mutant stuff.
They already have Ferus for grim autistic focus.
They already have Alpharius for special ops.

>>97862723
>modern
Anon this is how it’s been for like 10-15 years now for Boris heresy

>>97862723
GW doesn't really pay artists very well so they don't give a shit either. But the quality certainly took a tumble when thwy started commissioning Spanish artists.

>>97862701
Leman Russ. Such a pretentious asshole. All about rules-for-thee-but-not-for-me, yet pretending he's doing nothing wrong. Also hands down the biggest idiot after the BL novels happened. Unironically did more for the traitors than the majority of actual traitor primatchs.

>>97862701
I’m a grown adult so I don’t like any of them.

>>97862826
I would not even fucking mind it that much if it was not so easy to predict, like every thing is the same style/sequence just different subjects. Its always
>Battle in the background
>Actions on one side and middle
>Almost always exactly what the models look like
>Canted 25-45 degrees right or left.
Its so boring and predictable.

>>97862837
Yes but which do you like the least?

>>97862846
Think GW is paying for creativity or vision?

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>>97862701
>TQ
Ferrus Manus.
He's really bland and underdeveloped. He's barely in the narratives, and any novels or shorts stories of his are mid.

>>97862701
Sanguinius. I don't think he's a bad primarch but he's the only one I actually dislike, and that's because of how almost the entire community fans his balls.

>>97862846
>>97862865
Might be even worse.
>marketing requires all HH covers look like this now due to brand recognition

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Check it out it's Zahariel/Cypher

it really sucks to only like the faggot legions

>>97862943
BA, SW, DA, and EC, or am I missing some?

>>97862913
Sadly most people actively want the exact same thing over and over again, so this might actually be the main factor.

>>97862946
no, but it is DA & SW

Found a copy of the Mechanicum Battle Group box in the back of my LGS.
Which Forgeworld should I paint them as?
Metalica or Cyclothrathe

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>>97862946
>fag legions
>whatever you like
>chad legions
>whatever I like
duh.

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>>97862830
This is the right answer. hes a drooling knuckle dragging jock

>>97862701
Anyone know why the people only playing 2.0 seem to have such a huge stick up the ass about 3.0. It’s one thing to not like the changes. Another to just spam the misconceptions from launch if it’s not an outright lie about 3.0
Also
>tq
Guiliman. Despite being the logistics primarch, he constantly fucks up and makes things worse for those around him in a way no one seems to acknowledge. There’s also the fact that he manages to tie in a fight with lorgar while lorgar was holding back on using magic

>>97863063
>Iron warriors stealing the iron hands fit
LOL

>>97862946
Forgot Death Guard

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>until next winter lil nigga
prospero burns is fucking sublime goddamn
if you're in to wet leopards at least

The one thing I hate about marines in this system is the plumes on leaders.
So I remove them all.

>>97863381
they are essential for romemaxxing but i restrict their use to a couple of top ranking tactical sergeants
u should reconsider senpai

>>97863395
No.
I play Iron Warriors and I want all of my men to know that they have no real meaning to me.
They are simply soldiers that will die for my victory.

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>>97863405
u some real trench rat filth but i respect it

>>97862701
Im stuck between curze and alpharius.
Curze is an annoying whiny baby who comes to complete insane delusions all by his own. A completely ineffective primarch (No shit they had good secure rates, they were given the easiest planets). And then he peters off by dying to a loser assassin he "predicted" to die by. His entire style of combat, hiding in the shadows, is completely lame. For being a huge fucking primarch who dosnt have any powers (unlike curze) to be hidden, he sticks to this.
Alpharius's whole shtick is just annoying to me. Seems like his entire point is to just be the primarch that can fill plot holes for the story lines on both sides.
If your going to be a whiny baby, atleast be like angron or perturabo. And having a primarch whose thing is not being a primarch, is redundant.

>>97863646
ffs, I meant corvus not curze.
Both lame primarchs with similar names.

>>97863063
I hate pissbois so much but that backpack looks so sweet

>>97863405
Cold ass nigga

>>97863381
based topknot enjoyer

>>97863880
>>97863880
At what point do the "chaos" style backpacks show up in the heresy, and is there lore for that style of them?

>>97864028
The HH black books mention them as anvilus pattern backpacks specialized for void warfare. I think it was from book one Betrayal with a DG marine with one.

>>97864028
the power plants with more pronged-out thrusters are called Anvilus in their configuration and make and as best i'm aware they were present even amidst the great crusade

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>>97864028
>>97864035
Here

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Would it kill them to make Legion Traits affect vehicles?

>>97864035
>>97864040
>>97864043
NEAT! Thanks frens. But if they were "prototypes", I wonder how/why they became like the defacto for almost ALL CSMs....

>>97863405
>Anon thinks having a crest prevents you from being killed namelessly
Yonnad, Dorn's second highest ranking guy, effectively dies to a traffick accident while en route to Phall.

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>>97864043
Some more examples.

>>97864054
>I wonder how/why they became like the defacto for almost ALL CSMs....
they're edgy and badass-looking of course

>>97864054
A lot of CSM are void pirates

>>97864054
I think it was just a way for FW to retcon them into the HH lore, they do look cool tho.

>>97864062
I suppose once you quite your job piracy becomes un a voidable

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>>97864054
This >>97864064
Back in RT the early CSM were all Gigeresque bio-mechanical monsters, machines warped to look organic (rather than machines oozing puss and flesh like today). The extended thrusters gave them a warped profile compared to the cleaner SM packs. The design language was kept as their design became more spiky space marines, their backpacks just having extended struts supporting the thrusters. When looking at old models, there's a wide variety of CSM backpacks compared to loyalists who all are limited to the RT (Phaeton pattern) and 2e (Mark IV pattern) backpacks for the most part. Pic related reminds me of the HSS backpacks FW made.

>>97863063
Man I remember when he was doing these. Good days.

>>97864047
Traits affecting vehicles is 40k bullshit, 3.0 changing it back to that no longer being the case is one of the objectively good changes.

>>97864502
>vehicle crews are independent of their legions

>>97863646
>Seems like his entire point is to just be the primarch that can fill plot holes for the story lines on both sides.
Didn't used to be this way, older AL lore has some interesting aspects. But BL writers are lazy hacks, and Alpharius and the AL being able to show up any where makes them very convenient token villains, and their complex scheming lets BL writers can get away with not giving them a proper reason for doing anything.

>>97864519
No you absolute dumb fucking retard. A tank does not perform any differently because the driver is bloodthirsty, gay, or has Btucher's Nails in his skull.

>>97864542
>crew has no bearing on performance
You do realize bikes are vehicles too.

>>97864580
Not according to they rulebooks they don't. Don't start with the cringe semantics arguments.

>>97864595
>tank shouldn't perform any different because the crew are psychos
>it's ok for a bike to perform different because the crew are psychos
Get a better argument before bitching about nothing.

>>97864603
On a bike, it still is the marine himself swinging the chainsword. Are you trying to be obtuse, or just trolling?

For the record, I don't agree with all legion trait affecting bikes and dreadnoughts either.

>>97864617
>On a bike, it still is the marine himself swinging the chainsword.
And if a tank had a chainsword, who do you think would be swinging that?
>For the record, I don't agree with all legion trait affecting bikes and dreadnoughts either.
Then open with that, instead of excusing the inconsistency. How far would you take it? Should Saturnine benefit from traits? The ratio of marine to machine is pretty low there.

>>97864634
>And if a tank had a chainsword
But it doesn't. There's no point in arguing hypotheticals, in that case you might as well start talking about marines moving tanks around like Flintstones cars.
In a tank, it are the mechanics of the tank doing everything, the marine are only there pushing buttons and pulling levers.
Dreadnoughts, saturnine and terminators can arguably be affected by legion traits, because those use extensive black carapace and neural interface systems.So even if it is not the marine's body doing much or anything, it does feel very closely to it.
Bikes could be argued to be small enough machines to still be influenced more by the marine's talents, just like a bolter or heavy weapon would. For example, a White Scar shifting his body weight could affect the bike enough to more efficiently manoeuvre over terrain and thus achieve higher speeds. But bikes being more sneaky because there is a Ravenguard or Alpha Legionnaire sitting on is still retarded, which is why I don't agree that all legion traits affecting bikes is realistic.
A marine shifting their body weight inside a tank on the other hand does jack shit.

>>97864708
>because those use extensive black carapace and neural interface systems
Marines interface with their tanks too. It's why they can have so small crews.
>But bikes being more sneaky because there is a Ravenguard or Alpha Legionnaire sitting on is still retarded
We have tanks that perform recon and flanking roles. Why is a bike too much to imagine finding ways of getting behind enemy lines? If you're worried about the noise, we had the technology back in the 60s to make quiet helicopters for a CIA operation in Vietnam. Surely stealthy legions would be able to make modifications for their equipment, as well as train more with said equipment to perform the way they want it to function. Just like frontal assault legions train to go fast and get in the thick of it.
>which is why I don't agree that all legion traits affecting bikes is realistic.
I'm not saying all traits need to work exactly the same on everything. It's just weak to have legions vary wildly from one another, but all their vehicles and vehicle crews perform 100% identically.

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>tq
Primarchs were a mistake.
A simple refinement of the thunderwarrior formula and having them led by custodes was all that was needed.

>>97864793
You really are being either obtuse, retarded, or both. The black carapace and neural interfaces on dreadnoughts and terminators means the mechanical limbs move as if it were their own. Which isn't anything like interfacing with a tank to have easier access to fuel and targeting read outs.
RG and AL isn't about recon or outflanking, there's separate special rules for that. It's about a marine sitting on a speeding bike somehow being less visible within short distances than other legions. Outside of Eldar cloaking shenanigans there isn't anything that accurately describes anything close to that.
And again, it is not about the crew. The performance of the tanks themselves should be uniform, because those are too large to be affect by an individual's talents.
The only legion that should have some effect on vehicle performance is Iron Hands, due to their close ties to the Mechanicum and high affinity with technology. And even then it is best represented by an upgrade like Blessed Auto-simulacra.

>>97864809
Marines pretty much are the refinement of thunder warriors.
But primarchs were indeed a mistake. Though it is hard to say if they would have been when their scattering hadn't happened. The Chaos Gods uniting to interfere with the primarch project is a very strong indication of how powerful the untainted primarchs might have been when properly trained and raised on Terra.

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My 3k for the Serpent's Lodge event this weekend. It's a narrative event with some psychic and daemonic shenanigans, so there are 3 daemon brutes and a harbinger (internal tempest) and the Centurion with the Chieftains has Thaumaturgy.

>>97864890
Saturnine are so fucking ugly jesus christ. You did a good job though.

>>97864890
These look really great, bravo. Please take and post pictures of your games if you're able to.

>>97864890
That's a sweet looking army. Post some battle reports if you can.

gonna pick up some solar auxilia at a con this weekend lads

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>>97864862
How are dreadnought limbs with two guns different from legion tank sponsons with two guns? Why should one machine benefit from the operator but the other shouldn't? How is a bike mounted bolt weapon different from a tank mounted one for the purpose of the IF trait?
>It's about a marine sitting on a speeding bike somehow being less visible within short distances than other legions.
And I explained great many ways how that can be, but you ignored it all to have something to complain about. Same vehicles can be used differently depending on the branch using it. A recon unit will use their vehicles differently from an armoured unit, even if they're the same vehicle. Might as well complain how it doesn't make sense that recon squad magically make their dedicated transport able to sneak around when tactical squads cannot.
>Outside of Eldar cloaking shenanigans there isn't anything that accurately describes anything close to that.
Even IG has access to all sorts of camo options. Would be odd if legions didn't.
>too large to be affect by an individual's talents.
So why aren't Legion and Army tanks of the same type identical? Why was Marine crew an update for some tanks in the past? Besides, traits don't reflect "individual talent" but a broad, legion wide doctrine. In some traits they even mention modifications to equipment, because it reflects how the legions puts emphasis on a certain form of warfare and focuses on it down to making their equipment adhere to it. It's why, say, Navy and Air Force can have the same fighter, but with different variations and use them differently to suit their needs and forms of combat. Thus the two are not identical due to organizational differences.

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>>97864942
>it doesn't make sense that recon squad magically make their dedicated transport able to sneak around when tactical squads cannot.
And that's why that is no longer a thing in 3.0

>>97864892
Thanks anon. They're not everyone's cup of tea, but the models themselves have grown on me.

>>97864896
>>97864901
I'll take photos and bring a notebook, I'm hoping to make at least get something shareable down

>>97864708
>In a tank, it are the mechanics of the tank doing everything, the marine are only there pushing buttons and pulling levers.
This is also blatantly false and is a plot point in some BL books like sons of the selenar where a IH guy makes a point that thanks to his bionics he can interface even better than the SoH pilot he's avoiding. It's also referenced in the black books and the 30k aeronautica imperialis book even has planes getting traits. It's why the fellblade has 4 crewmen while the baneblade has 10. Not that I want legion traits on vehicles mind you.

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Waiting for some basing materials to arrive before I can finish off my Chieftains, but luckily these bits arrived today so I can start working on my tacs.

Thread is too quiet, show off what you're working on anons.

>>97863424
> Trench rat?
Scum I don't touch dirt.
I don't even leave orbit (unless it's for shore leave on a paradise world). I direct my soldiers (or 'pre casualties' as I like to call them) from my comfy rooms on my battleship.

>>97864890
Looking ZESTY looking fine anon

>>97865186
Love the chains, homemade mirror coins, the olde Orc boss on boar, and the whale sticker anon very ZESTY very fine. Would locker room wrestle with

>>97864921
glad muhreens aren't stealing the spotlight this edition, gonna pick up a custodes combat patrol and the new vehicles next week, really hoping the telemon is coming down the line too.

>>97865137
Truly a champion of /hhg/

>>97865186
the mirror coins are so fucking big looks goofy

>>97865255
Anon, you mistake me, these aren't mirror coins, they're mirror commemorative plates

>>97864809
>led by custodes
lol they're incapable of leading, that's the idea.

>>97863155
>why do people who wanted a fixed edition have a problem with getting one broken beyond all recognition
gee I wonder
>another to just spam the misconceptions from launch
why would people who dislike the new edition then go and play it to dispel the misconceptions surrounding it? Really anon it is not as though their opinions would change either if they didn't have those misconceptions, there is a whole lot not to like.
Also
people who hate the edition don't want it to succeed, since that tells GW that the rules sucked so they better change it back to when the game was more successful. Spamming misconceptions is totally validated if it results in a product you want.

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Rejoice, Bearers of the Word fans.
GW has released the old Black Book extract of your favourite legion:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mq2bsjkb/pages-from-the-black-books-the-word-bearers/

>>97864890
Show me your theridons.

>>97865331
> spamming misconceptions is totally validated if it results in a product you want
Soulless behavior

>>97865331
>rules suck and no I haven’t played or even properly read it yet. I was told it sucks in a dream
Guess this is what “2.0 is a good game if you houserule it into oblivion” does to your brain

>>97864047
Maybe a separate and/or weaker effect could work, if it doesn't make tanks too lopsided to fight. Forced snap shots at RG tanks would be kinda silly.

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>>97865354
This is before I based them. They're all packed away now for the weekend

>>97865331
Thanks for confirming 2.0fags are dumb irrational contrarians.

>>97865442
Really fitting models for daemon brutes actually, consider the idea stolen.

>>97865457
The Thaumaturge makes a good Harbinger and the Myrmidon matches for a Hierarch

>>97862701
Im looking to add something to go from 3k to 3.5k.
Opinions?

I was looking at aux allies?
I can do artillery command and 3 basies
Or a command tank, 2 assault tanks all with plasma

I could do that cheaper with marines and just do like 3 or 4 preds with plasma but that feels lame

>>97865559
What do you currently have? But a bunch of blast templates does seem like a good idea, bigger games means blasts get better.

>>97865727
Well the current 3k list im fucking with, with out going into a full break down is

Marduk
Centurion
Siege breaker

10 man tac
10 man tac
Rhino
15 man dispoiler

7 man Inner circle knight
10 man breacher
drill

3 las rapiers
5 man plasma flamer squad

1 fel blade

1 storm eagle

1 assassin

>>97862928
Where do you find these in such high resolution? I kind of want to download most of them.

>>97865744
errr
15 man tac
10 man tac
rhino
15 man dispoiler

>>97865186
Got the STL or name of the creator for those bits? I love them.

>>97865754
They're RedWarden minis, printed by Archie's Forge. They do a lot of good stuff. Each pack is £11 I think so it does add up over time.

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>>97865225
>glad astartes arent in the limelight
>picks custodes instead
There are no words

>>97865744
What you need is more numbers. Two squads of 10 marines in rhinos or an infantry tercio.

>>97865759
Thanks for your quick reply, I'll take a peek.

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>finally getting first real game this weekend with my word bearers
>planning on just throwing everything I've got painted in a list with 500 points of mechanicum allies to fill the points deficit
>got that green goblin on the trashcan whispering to me how I could drop a few units and take some more daemon engines and malefic buffing tech priests from mechanicum instead
Even my marine lists are turning into mechanicum lists FFS

>>97865311
The Praetor goes around with a full Wedgwood tea set chained to his pauldrons

>>97865901
Just replace thallax with ashen circle. Have the hobgoblin whispering into your ear about the 40 flamer shots per unit on a charge

>>97865922
But my ashen circle aren't painted yet!

>>97865901
Have a priest buff gal-vorbak. WS6 melee elites!

>>97865935
Sad!

>>97865435
It would vary accordingly; many close range legions gave enhanced Ramming rules to their tanks.
I'm not going to press on it because I'd like AL tanks to benefit from the +2" distance, but I'm not sure if I'd be okay with RG tanks forcing snapshots against them.
Can one hit RG properly when using an Augury auspex?

>>97865901
Yes, let the hate flow through you.

>>97865982
No, augury scanner stops shrouded saves, not snap shots.

>Wants AL trait on vehicles
And thus the WAACfag unmasks themselves.

>>97865994
What's so wrong with making vehicles be 2" further away? Wait, does it actually change things this time? I thought Multi-melta's melta range was 8" now

>>97866006
The fuck you mean this time? The AL trait effected all ranges for shooting, charges, and reactions, and it still does. That does include melta ranges, you imbecile. And now that charges are only one D6 distance max you can forget about ever charging AL if you have to roll for charge, and can't reach them with the set up move. In the hands of an experienced player it is straight up broken as fuck.

>>97865912
The real pain is getting the blue detail right over the white

>>97866038
>That does include melta ranges
Pretty sure it doesent. In the same way it wouldnt affect something like "all models within 6" take a test" or whether a setup move gets you into contact. Its just for the max range/max charge range.

>>97864047
Vehicles having legion traits is retarded. You would either need entirely new rules for vehicles per legion (never happening lol) or you get retarded shit like "well raven guard are sneaky so that land raider is now stealthy".

>>97864519
No, but the difference made is far lower than on the physical "Marine" level.

An iron hands crew having augments that make them more resistant to shooting or a night lords crew knowing how to exploit a weakened opponent does not translate to the effectiveness of their vehicle in the same way it would if they were operating as infantry.

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>>97866334
>more resistant to shooting
Make IH vehicles resistant to status effects.
>knowing how to exploit a weakened opponent
Make NL vehicles cause more damage when moving through non-vehicle enemy units with a status effect.

>>97866396
>Make IH vehicles resistant to status effects.
On what basis? The metal of the machine doesent care how many robot arms the driver has. Either the tank runs or it doesent.

>Make NL vehicles cause more damage when moving through non-vehicle enemy units with a status effect.
On what basis? Do the wheels get spikier? Are we supposed to believe the NL driving it know how to do scalpel attacks with the treads of a tank?

The reality is that if youre going to represent the differences in legion doctrine and ability for vehicles, you need entirely new rules for the tanks.

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>>97865338
Ah, my favourite fluff.

>>97866413
>On what basis?
The crew are more resilient to shock and damage, and their vehicles are equipped with more redundancies.
>On what basis?
They train to be more offensive in their driving and give no mercy to infantry that get in their way, as well as their vehicles being covered in sharp stuff to stick their trophies on.
>you need entirely new rules for the tanks
Why? We've had several examples of legion/chapter/regimental doctrines/traits affecting vehicles over the editions. All without needing to redo all the rules. If a legion puts emphasis on speed and their dudes can move faster, why wouldn't they put the same emphasis on tuning their vehicles to move faster? If a legion puts emphasis on marksmanship, why wouldn't they train their tank crews to fire more accurately?

>>97866038
Anon, +2" matters when melta range is 12 because it allows you to hit vehicles at melta range when you are at a bit further than 10" (but not further than 12") and still count as being beyond 12", which prevented the enemy from using Withdraw.

Simplified: when Multi-melta is 12", AL can hit others in melta range while still preventing the enemy from withdrawing.

Now Multi-melta melta range is 8". AL at this range count as being at 10" away, and can thus be Redeployed away from. Meaning AL can no longer use their Rhinos to Multimelta stuff. Which I used to do before.

>>97866327
>land raider is now stealthy
I take it infiltrating Land Raiders was a bit oppressive, huh lol

>>97866478
>Why? We've had several examples of legion/chapter/regimental doctrines/traits affecting vehicles over the editions
Yes, and those examples are exactly why you cant just apply the legion trait onto vehicles.
It was done before, and it was bad and unhealthy.

>>97865901
>>97865943
Same anon, alright never mind the other guy's bringing custodes I'm putting on the goblin mask

>>97866524
No mercy. Throw the brass scorpion at the asshole.

>>97866322
Reading and understanding English is somewhat of a weak point for you it appears.
Go read the AL trait and the Melta special rule again, this time with your English teacher present.

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>>97866523

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>>97862701
least favorite ? probably alpharius, the double/trible agent gimmicks get tiresome

lost the booze battle tonight
but the war is not over

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>>97866569
Today's the start of my weekend. time to drink and paint plenty

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>>97866464
classic

>>97866523
If you told me World Eaters tanks do better tank shocks because those fuckers just drive into people ram ram style, I'd be stoked

>>97866902
If the stories are anything to go by what actually would happen is WE tanks and bikes having a chance to randomly be destroyed for no reason, because the crew gave in to the Nails and abandoned their vehicles in order to rip somebody apart with their bare hands.

>>97865320
The existence of ranks like shield captain and tribune within the custodes sorta sinks that theory like a rock dont it?

>>97866569
you bought troonstodes you already lost

>>97864809
The primarchs were why the crusade was so successful.

They were required to have a force strong enough to build the imperium, it was why they had the power to un-make the imperium.

>>97867144
Unironically I think an alternate universe where 40k as game never existed and we could have bands of custodes leading the guard with various imperial oddities like grey knights, mechanicum, and sisters as attaches as the standard imperium army would've been way more interesting than 18 variants of marine

>>97867316
I'm slowly building my way to a 30k army that is just that, a mix of all Imperial military factions, like a proper expedition force would look like. Be the change you want to see anon.

>>97867316
That universe does sound interesting. But the dynamic of "a handful of godlike super warriors and their hordes of disposable peoon meatshields" is going to end up with a very different end result. And its never going to have that "my own faction of space knights!" appeal of marines.

>>97867316
18 variants of marine was never a problem until they started doing the pick me bullshit of trying to spin each chapter and legion into its own bespoke codex in 7th, and now instead of supporting one army with a few upgrade kits you've bloated the range into 7 armies that are still just as unsupported but now more entitled and half your old models are illegal because for some reason you can have rhinos but not Predators, or maulerfiends but not forgefiends

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Are the older cataphractii terminators worth building/running? I do see a bit of hate for the cata that James put out pretty recently.
It's honestly so weird how difficult it is to find anything online about things James was selling only a few years ago. It's like they got totally black holed or something?

>>97867888
In this case, that's because generic cataphractii have never really been worth running, in every edition they have problems compared to their legion specific counterparts

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>>97867888
i much prefer the older styling
do what you like tho

too lame to run deathwing companions, interemptors, and cenobium in one list? Just like all the special catamites

>>97867907
Yeah, im a noob to the hobby so i just got cata termies because they looked simpler and more versatile to handle. once i have these bad boys painted i might grab a deathshroud squad or something?

>>97867641
we've had variant lists since 1988; Whitescars and Spacewolves (sic)

but we've had codex-like armies since late RT, starting with Space Wolves and i think Blood Angels too

if you think it's bad now, try fighting Eldar Soup of Harlequin Jetbikes, Death Jesters, Aspect Warriors, Solitaire (and other Haerlequin high command), Avatar, Eldrad, and allied Space Wolves consisting of every named character they had at that time

this is nothing, you simply have no idea how little trouble it is today

>>97867932
Wait, so theres "older" versions of the cata termies too? Fucking hell....what do I search under on ebay to find them....

>>97867050
Might be able to lead other custards, but honestly they failed that one time they had to do their job so its not exactly a ringing endorsement for their leadership qualities.

>>97868101
This is what I mean. They're so thoroughly black holed how are you supposed to know they exist?
Anyway I found a box of them for 30 bucks on ebay that was pretty sick, thats why I asked about them. They seem awfully kosher so I went for em, I wanna make a retinue for my praetor or possibly centurion

>>97868264
Can someone post some pics of the different sprues side by side or something? I just ran into this issue with the different versions of the mkIII etc armors, as I bought some recasted torsos and then realized "shit, the "newer" plastic armor marks dont have separate legs to use with the torsos...." and it became a very expensive rabbit hole/clusterfuck hunting down the correct bits. Seriously, fuck GW and their newer "betterer" versions of HH space marines, I dont give a shit about "hur dur theres only 4 poses" or whatever, I just want bits so I can make my marines SOMEWHAT match....

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>>97866531
HE'S EATING THE TANKS

>>97868358
I dont take complete issue with the armors not "matching" because I think you could prudently chalk that down to armor being issued at different times by different forge worlds. But I do agree otherwise

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>Far beyond the fringes of the galaxy there was naught but endless black.
>Past the last few stray stars plying their lonely track through the cold night, past the dead worlds and the fragments of galactic collisions billions of years gone, past the probes sent out by extinct races recorded in no history… past all that and beyond, there was a night sea studded with the diamond islands of distant, lonely galaxies.
>Though incomprehensibly vast, this sea was not empty. Great behemoths of the deep lurked there.
>Into the eternal blackness, a flash of quantum energy shone out at many times the speed of light; a brief flare, milliseconds in duration, projecting from an unremarkable spiral of stars.
>It was not missed.
>In the darkness, something of limitless hunger stirred in a slumber that had lasted for aeons. A million frozen and unblinking eyes saw the flash, tripping cascades of stimuli. Their purpose served, the eyes died.
>The entity processed the message the eyes provided without ever truly awakening. Automatically, instinctively, its gargantuan, dreaming mind analysed the signal, comparing it against all parameters for the one thing it sought.
>Prey.
>Slowly, glacially, the great devourer shifted its course.

thank you Barabas <3
for helping bring GOD to the milky way!

>>97868373
>THEY'RE EATING THE DOGS
>THEY'RE EATING THE CATS
>THEY'RE EATING THE TANKS... OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE

>>97868734
Obviously the space wolves are the dogs, but who are the cats of the legions?

>>97868373
> warped resin lascannon
Grim

>>97867932
Ngl only issues with the new ones is that the torso is too thin, and the power mitten, besides that it’s fine. Hate that i would have to print a torso to use them lol

>>97867932
>>97868862
Add one 1mm to the torso, plastic-card or a thin metal ring

>>97868734
KEK

>>97864890
May I ask you for your teal color scheme

>>97868862
I've seen this a lot - are they actually thin, or do they look comparatively thin because of the ablative plates around the thighs/hips?

>>97869348
No they're actually thin. GW are obsessed with making all Marines into wasp-waisted femboys for some reason.

>>97869348
I think it's mostly the taper on the chest armor accentuating the thin waist. the boxier cuirass part on the old version, and the narrower gap between it and the top of the thigh plates hides how thin the actual waist is

>>97866634
bordeaux red ? i hope you're eating something good with it

>>97869461
Don't be silly anon, there's only terminal alcoholics in here.

>>97867932
Wait, that's the scale increase they had to be remade for?

>>97869546
Yup. All that for something that people solved with a small 1mm thick piece of plastic card.

>>97869546
I believe they also changed the size/shape of the hands on Termies so they were more compatible with upgrade kits

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Time to get this thing painted. What is everyone else working on?

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Despoilers done. 5 chainswords, 1 lance, 2 heavy cs and 2 power axes. Mixed unit of 2 mkII, 5 mkIII, 1 mkIV and 2 mk VI

>>97869602
Just airbrushed these dudes >>97865186. Waiting for the highlight to dry then I'll get started on doing the areas between the armour. Hopefully it'll be less work to get these MkVI done than the blinged out MkII Chieftains.

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Saw this earlier, I do like the colour scheme but not sure on those headswaps. SCE works better than Dark Eldar, that's for sure.

>>97869234
Of course anon.
>Undercoat with gold spray of your choice.
>All over Tallassar blue contrast.
>Drybrush sybarite green
>Lighter drybrush of gauss blaster green.

Quick and easy, no airbrush needed and then add weathering to taste

>>97869712
>40k jetbike
Wrong thread.

>>97869712
>nustodes

>>97869731
they look better than the 30k ones

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>>97869755
nah m8

>>97869770
resin derp

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>>97869771
if u got a problem w/ resin i got a problem w/ u m8

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Outside of the obvious Tac/line needs and Centurions for detachments, what playstyle should I build my SoH toward? I have quite a large IW army that does the massed infantry with tank support WW1 thing, not really sure what I should do to differentiate this project from that one.

>>97869826
have you got a loyalist force for properly accommodating a second player with your collection?
on the back of an IW grouping of such sprawl i couldn't fathom further outright traitor stuff besides smol very purpose-flavored allied detachments
a horde of reavers in a spartan with their commander is how i'd do a SoH inclusion though

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>>97869870
There's a good mix of loyal and traitor locally so that's all fine.

I haven't really got any proper melee or assault forces so I want to lean into that, but SoH aren't Blood Angels. I still want tanks, but maybe something more specialised? Basically want to have all the bases covered, but without having my IW list 2.0.

Also - isn't it amazing what an oil wash will do?

>>97869770
Bait.

>>97869770
The 40k ones are some cool Judge Dredd shit. These are just ugly and the lance poses are beyond dogshit.

>>97869826
Don't really need a centurion for detachments, unless you want to take as little command choices as possible At which point why are you playing SoH, their whole thing is gang culture lead by charismatic leaders
A legion champion with paragon of battle is a very fun melee character. Also gives access to the veteran cadre detachment, an extremely convenient one especially in lower point games.
A chaplain is good to have to keep your important units status free, and they're surprisingly strong in melee for how dirt cheap they are.

SoH do have a real cool play style around terminators and dreadnoughts now. Their trait is just so strong on units with implacable advance. It is very scary to be on the receiving end of a terminator squad that shoots, volley fires, then charges your stuff. And if your units is routed and starts running they get finished off with gun them down. All at full BS, makes even combi-bolters intimidating.

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Starting a mechanicum army after playing death guard and holy shit listbuilding is night and day. Actual flavour, you can’t just take everything you want and I actually have to spend time thinking about how to stack bonuses.

It’s not perfect (the list options are HEAVILY skewed towards cybernetica, options being removed etc) but it’s a breath of fresh air

>>97870183
Astartes list building has to be kept simple anon, please understand. Most marine players barely know how to operate a measuring tape.

>>97867340
Nta but same, kinda.

>>97870183
Me? I like Militia because it's easy mode building and I can 1000% take everything I want.

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I have painted the quad batteries.

>>97870269
Nice. Wonder if we're gonna see the other weapon options for it from ligma, would definitely get a second one of these with two punisher rotary cannons.

>>97870223
Please just give me rites of war back James

>>97869826
Elite mechanized infantry and calvary with few terminators (you can have a 5 man squad with your praetor, as a treat, because the SOH termie praetor is based), rely on your busted as fuck aux detachment to hide your scoring infantry as interdiction cadres and some hidden power fist master sergeants. Bring a cohort of bikes surrounding a Herald on bike converted to look like immortan Joe.

>>97869770
IMO any calvalry model that is equipped with a spear should get a special impact rule where their attacks go to AM0, IM+4, S+2 AP2 D3

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>>97870282
As much as I hate limited missile capacity it does make the most sense, even if it's a joke to waste a marine to sit in a ball and fire four missiles.

>>97870310
Is there confirmation that it's a marine sitting in there, and not a combat servitor?
For marines it would probably be like sitting in the cuck chair. Stuck in a stationary position, watching your battle brothers have all the fun.

>>97869712
Cool 40k ECs.

>>97870323
if it was a servitor it probably wouldn't need the little viewport or a functioning door.

>>97870323
There was but I don't remember where.

>>97870340
Sure, but the Mechanicum is retarded enough to still build a viewport for a gun servitor. Heck, the 40k storm raven has an entire damn glass canopy for its turret servitor.

>>97870352
Was it in the reveal stream? I've checked the WarCom articles and unit entry, and there wasn't any mention of what pilots it there. Haven't been able to find any other info on the araknae. Lexicanum claims it's automated but doesn't give a source.

>>97870323
>>97870310
there's a lot more marines in the legions I guess; servitors kind of disappeared last edition, there are such things but they're much less prevalent and there's no rules for them for legions, Mech servo-automata are very different things

>>97870282
the orias missile launch arms on the Tarantulas I think fit with the autocannon tabs on the Araknae ball; you'd need two Tarantulas to do it, but I think they're the same size tab; you wanna show up with four Orias instead of quad autocannons, I'm not going to complain

plus you still get the shield bubble

>try to into HH 3.0
>all the stats are given new names and shuffled around for no reason
what the fuck is wrong with these game designers?

>>97870731
If they give you a good edition then people won't pay for a new one.

>>97870731
They were trying to "Simplify" shit but just made it stupid for no reason

They really did not need to rename strength, ws, bs, I, but here we are.

Also i think LD, Will, Int, and Cool did not need to all exist, they could have done just as fine as
Leadership and Int, they did not need 4 fucking stat values.

>>97869614
Based and Nostramo pilled

>>97869712
>stormcast heads
>troonstodes
Yikes

>>97870755
>simplify
adding necromunda mental stats for every single unit is “simple?” fuck me. I don’t get it, this game WAS simple. there wasn’t a million stratas, you could just buy wargear with points like a normal person not do backflips with force org to buy goofy shit with command points, etc. Just reading these new stats pages makes me want to give up and just stick with 2.0. Everyone I know whos into this game is fine with playing old rules anyway.

>>97870731
They should all be *REDACTED*

>>97870731
>all the stats are given new names and shuffled around for no reason
Such as?

Some RULES were changed (mainly rending and shred), but the stats are still the same. Theres NEW stats, but they didnt change what the old ones did.

>>97870781
There is a difference between simple and granular.

Somethign can be both, just one, or neither.
They tried to make the game more granular but did not make it simpler.
When i say simplify. i mean "Simplify (TM)" in the idea of how microsoft might make windows 11 simpler but in reality for actual power users or people who have been using windows for decades they just made it monumentally more of a pain in the ass to use.

The Mental stats were a stupid fucking change.

>>97870801
RS for “ranged strength”? That change alone shows me there’s not even a philosophy behind these changes and they’re just shuffling pieces around for the sake of it.

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I understand now why everyone hates this kit so much.
Don't mind the gaps, I haven't painted the stuff in the back yet.

>>97871008
Im just finsihing up the side doors of my storm eagle which is the same kit and holy fuck, im NEVER building another one unless GW makes them in plastic. FUCK, THAT, KIT

>>97871030
Yeah, this thing desperately needs a plastic version.

>>97870781
when those stats were added to necromunda's rulebook, they were still 40k stats too

but if you want soup, feel free to fuck off back to /40kg/ with your combi-weapons profile

>>97871065
Honestly im flabbergasted that GW has NOT made this into a plastic kit, i mean FFS half of the kit is already done in plastic, and everyone LOVES the fire raptor gunship, and the storm eagle is just as dope.

Its a slam dunk multi part kit, that the community would love, that is DESPERATELY needed for na update, and hell they could even make a 3rd version of the kid, maybe like a Vehicle transport that lets you drop 1 Rhino pattern vehicle off.

>>97870856
man I think maybe you're underestimating the kind of shit that they get in their inbox

I can absolutely see someone writing in repeatedly to ask whether it's right that heavy bolters get a x2 strength if the guy firing them has a power fist, separating melee and ranged profiles fixes that immediately

but you have your little cry i guess

>>97871080
28mm scale SA Baneblades and Shadowswords were shown years ago, but GW has not even hinted at releasing them.

>>97870572
>four Orias instead of quad autocannons,
The frag missiles aren't really good though, it'd be cool as a terrain piece I suppose but like a lot of old FW stuff it was designed for much larger games than were being played

>>97871097
Too many people either weren’t around for or completely forgot the shitshow that was 2.0 launch. Everything they did for 3.0 was a direct response to that and even then the same suspects can’t read the new rules

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>>97869602
I can't decide if I want to also do this same conversion myself.

I already have an old 40k rhino unpainted and assembled. I could magnetize the razorback turret ring pretty easily, buy a second 40k rhino and a set of those heresy tarantula missiles. That'd give me the option of fielding the resulting 2 vehicles as either whirlwinds or as rhinos. It's not much of a cost savings, but it'd give me the option of choice and a bit of future proofing my collection a bit.

Also I don't care about rivet counting in this case.

>>97871188
3.0 is such a mixed bag of nuts for me.
They did a lot of good things, but a lot of stupid things, that did not need to happen. Things like
>blast rules
>Vehicle rules
>Reactions being nerfed
>Removal of brutal
>Flyers
>Psyker power balance
Great, amazing, wonderful

Then you get shit like
>4 turns
>LD, Int, WP, Cool
>Detatchment system
>Challenge system
>Rework of the charge system
>Gutting of Deep strike
>Removal of FnP


Its like they are incapable of picking out just the bad things to fix, they have to "fix" shit that never needed to be fixed.

>>97871296
>Removal of FnP
But they didn't though. Plenty of units still have FNP, it's just no longer a 45 point upgrade to any unit in power armor (good)

>>97871345
Medic is still in the game, and its such a downgrade from FNP that no one fucking runs apoths anymore. There was never an issue with FNP, there was an issue with artificer armor, THAT was the problem, getting cheap Atrificer armor in a unit was the issue.

>>97871367
No you retard every tom dick and harry getting a 5+++ was absolutely a problem, it was way too accessible and part of the reason second was so degenerate

>>97871296
They make changes to justify the new edition, not to make it better.
But actually I like most of 3.0 baring some real nonsense it's what they did to unit customization that irks me the most.

>>97871407
>It was to strong
>Its got over nerfed
You know both of these things can be true right? You understand that It could have been to good in 2.0, and now it going to medic and costing a fucking reaction, in 3.0 is an over correction.

I know its hard to hold 2 possible thoughts in your head at the same time, but just try for a moment.
>>97871477
Yeah the lack of customization fucking kills me, I miss being able to run a melee moritat that was fun.
I still fully belive they scrambled to create that legends document within the last week or 2 because they realized that gutting more then 2/3rds of the customization for HQs was a bad fucking idea.

>>97871488
>You know both of these things can be true right?
Alone and forgotten...

>>97871488
>>Its got over nerfed
But it wasn't. It's exactly where it should be, not common at all. FNP is fine the way it is, retard

>>97871565
needing to spend a reaction point to reduce the damage of a weapon by 1 is not worth spending that reaction for, nor the detatcment slot you need in order to take Apothocaries on top of that, atop of the point cost OF the apothocary.

There is a reason no one runs them anymore, they are dog dookie now. If a model is so bad, that no one even considers it, its clear that it was over corrected.

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Has anyone tried cutting the shield from the front of the Scorpius launcher? I'm not a fan of the Proteus missile launcher shield where it doesn't serve any purpose. Besides, without it the launcher looks more like the old Epic Hunter launcher (which also came in a double variant).

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>>97871722
bruh

>>97871568
I would take them if I had anyone to play. It's still am extra dude with a power weapon even if you don't use the reaction

>>97871858
>extra dude with a power weapon
Its a extra 40 points for a power weapon on a
WS4, 2W 2 attack model.
You are basically paying 40 points for a SGT.
You could spend 110 points and 8 more wounds, 9, bodies a shit ton more attacks and a power weapon.

They are such a massive point sink.
If you did not need to take a special detatchment to get them? I could see a value to taking them for units like command squads but the fact you have to spend a detatchment to get them is asinine.

Its the secondary point costs to apoths that gut them, atop of a reaction.

>>97871568
>needing to spend a reaction point to reduce the damage of a weapon by 1 is not worth spending that reaction for,
Situationally? It absolutely is.

>>97871296
TOW is my other game and I have to say it's the same shit, everything good about it is basically what already existed in earlier editions OR what they fixed from those editions whilst everything new is trash that breaks the gameplay. The difference is that they seemed to realise this very early into TOW and FAQ'd most the worst offenders out of existence whereas I'm not sure if they are happy with heresy 3.0 or will do something similar in a similar timeframe, which would be late this summer I think? 3.0 has some very fundamental changes though, I suppose they could change line rules to at least balance gameplay somewhat.

>>97871915
>Situationally?
Anon if you are pulling out the "Well in this situation it is" card, thats a moot point, i can make up a situation for anything being justified.

What matters is the frequency of that situation. The reality is, there is not enough situations were a reaction spent for a medic reaction is worth it over other options.
Its never worth it for a troop unit full of 1w dudes.

Its also almost never worth it to both sticking him into an elite unit reason being its not points effective, because you have to again, take something to unlock that slot, and then take a medic, Even the cheapest option an opate + a medic with a power weapon is gonna run your 100 points. Why not just run a librarin with tele to get a 3+++ shroud at that point and get better weapons and better combat.

We can make up situations all day, its a matter of how often they appear to justify it, and there are just not enough sititons to justify a apoth in the game right now. Its why no one runs them.

>>97871928
Same, the other game i play off an on is TOW and the issue i had with TOW was how oppressive casters were, and how mid chaos warriors were which both were in response to the last edition of Fantasy. Again both over powered but over corrected. Its a trait GW has were they knee jerk HARD in response to things.

>Balance line
So a house rule we have been playing with you might apricate. We have house ruled that line can only ever be scored ONCE. So if you have Line 2, you can only ever get that bonus 2 points once per game. It really helped narrow down some games. A buddy of mine mathed it out because he would record his wins and losses and it narrowed victories down by like a difference of like 8-10 to more like 3-5 point differences.

>>97871950
>Its never worth it for a troop unit full of 1w dudes.
Not true (in a "there are times when its the difference between a squad surviving to score or not and therefore winning you the game). But also: just dont put the medic in that unit then?

Put your apothecary in with your deathwing companions to discourage shooting at them, put it in with your veterans to halve the number that die to autocannon fire or whatever.

Apothecaries are not expensive, they have (slots asides) a low opportunity cost to include in a list. In return they can neuter shooting at a given unit, which will shape the way your opponent acts (and provides status resistance to important units).

Yes, its a situational 4+++ that costs a reaction. But the ability to have a defensive reaction to a unit that normally does not have one is pretty big.

>>97871963
Can apothecaries not go in any squad now, especially since centurion medics were an afterthought?

>>97871994
Apothecaries CAN go in any squad, theyre specialists meaning they work like characters except they cant fight challenges and dont give their stats to their unit (iirc).

>>97871994
The biggest down side is your need to spend a detachment for them.

>>97871999
That detachment gives you a prime slot for logistics so it's not a total loss, and it's not like their previous elites slot wasn't easier to fill before.

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Fuck this model, worst build ever.

>>97872042
Well done, Anon

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>>97871261
Be aware that the tarantula turret doesn't fit on the razorback turret ring. I had to shave down the raised rim on the razorback panel, and also a raised rim on the underside on the tarantula turret to be able to glue it together. Had a whole stack of razorback panels left over and didn't want to ever use the missile tarantulas, so for me this wasn't and issue. The advantage is that there isn't any magnets needed this way.

>>97872042
>>97872055
Such an awesome model though. GW refusing to release it in plastic is proof that they hate earning money.

What should terrain look like for a Dropsite Massacre game? It was mostly open field right?

>>97872079
Flyers still have that shit reputation, but also long plastic panels tend to warp slight as well sp a plastic kit would be fairly complex

>>97872097
Corpse barricades

>>97872097
Open areas, battlements and entrenched positions the traitors build.

>>97872097
Trenches on the traitors side and a bunch of craters and broken drop pods in the loyalists side. It probably won’t be the correct scale (as in drop pods dropping right in front of the traitors’ trenches while the maps in the black books show a way bigger confrontation area) but I think will get the point across

>>97872110
The plastic fellblade is larger, and the models I've seen in the flesh looked perfectly straight to me.

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I just realized that the legs of cataphractii armor is meant to call back to things like picrel with those V shapes to deflect blows

>>97872110
Shit reputation in terms of like, warping? oh yeahIn terms of like in game? Eh they are ok now.

Personally i think that for each turn you either fail or dont bring your flyer on, the roll needed to come on reduces by one.

>>97869602
does the Mars/Razorback top plate fit the Deimos top space?

>>97869614
These guys look amazing

>>97872204
Yep

>>97872017
logistic seems to pretty much let you take whatever you want for next to free

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>>97872073
It does seem to fit the scorpius ring and that's just an extra plated on top of the regular Rhino hull. Should be easy enough to find from a recaster.

>>97872126
I dunno I've had issues with even the plastic spartan being a bitch to build with the nose not being straight somehow

How many times have you re-read the hours heresy books and are there certain books you make an effort to re-read?

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Sgt Publius of the Death Guard

>>97872451
He looks drunk, can't even walk straight.

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>>97872451
That shit on his thigh is gorilla glue, I think. I was thinking of rolling with it and painting it like burn mark(??) or some other kind of battle damage.

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>>97872457
well there are two beer bottles roughly 3x his size in the back there. or maybe he just has a sassy sway to his stride.

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>>97872465
Death to all tyrants and oppressors. Have a good Friday evening, lads

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Disintergrator veterans saw their first battle today. Didn't roll a single overload, they really wanted to prove their worth.

>>97871097
>I can absolutely see someone writing in repeatedly to ask whether it's right that heavy bolters get a x2 strength if the guy firing them has a power fist, separating melee and ranged profiles fixes that immediately
yeah maybe if you're a massive retard you could see why that would be needed.

Kalliope mortars are good
Just wanted to let people know

>>97872538
Reminder that GW had to clarify in an FAQ that if you concede, you lose.

>>97872517
Well? Did they prove worth it?

>>97872553
I don't think they did.

>>97872589
They absolutely did. Was during 9th edition 40k iirc, if I hadn't deleted all 40k rule files after quitting I'd post a screenshot.

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>>97872589
https://warhammerworld.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2022/09/Jh3O2kQhNDyUqs2o.pdf
https://warhammerworld.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2022/07/WpRKrBkD2ZWfBWuy.pdf
https://warhammerworld.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/05/X5Hv9OROtFQBV0f9.pdf
https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_29-05_blood_bowl_faq_errata-s5alrome7m-3ic3dmiws6.pdf

>>97872609
Alright I'll buy it, I'd check the mission book but I don't have mine anymore. If that's true then yeah I'll stop bitching about that point.

>>97872616
file name sounds like that one turd that is really annoying when he's wrong

>>97872588
They did. Held an objective, killed a good few despoilers and tacticals, even lived through close combat before disengaging out.

>>97872616
those are scoring rules and that's actually a decent question it's not as idiotic as what was implied which was
>GW had to publish something to tell a player that conceding is a loss.
That more concerns what steps happen after a loss by concession.

>>97872635
>if you concede, you lose (and thus are treated as having lost the game for the purpose of calculating results)
Yes, very important information.

>>97872635
>If a player concedes a match, they immediately lose the game.

>>97872648
That is not at all the end of the question and isn't even correct to the rules you just posted. It's not a simple loss, you get penalized for it.
>how many points does my opponent get
maximum for the remaining rounds, not previous rounds.
>do I keep any that I earned?
no.

>>97872538
yeah literally the first thing in the current FAQ is


>Q: Vehicles ‘cannot be locked in combat’ does that mean they cannot be attacked or ‘Engaged’?
>A: No. Vehicles cannot be locked in combat, but they can be targeted by attacks and Engaged as normal.

you know what's out there, stop pretending you're paying enough to chinaman to justify entirely separate company GW continuing to make game

>>97872097
Book 2 had a guide on that.

>>97872738
Fine. That's a dumb faq. That's assuming someone even asked that because the locked in combat rule for vehicles is 1 paragraph away from the one that says they can be charged and attacked.

>>97872816
unfortunately anon these types of retarded questions come up all the time because of WAAC tourny faggots.

>>97872826
right, now it makes sense. Like the "infinite frag grenade bragg" rules quirk people are just looking for a gotcha in the rulebook.

>>97872835
sorry, not even like bragg the bragg quirk was actually funny.

>>97872835
No those are like gotcha haha funny things, this is actual WAAC faggotry in action.
>UHHHHH well if i quite the game while i have more Points then i technically won since forfeiting does not actually say i lose.

>>97869726
Thank you!

>>97869712
I actually just threw up in my mouth a little IRL.

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>>97863155
>pic rel
This image speaks for itself. 2.0 isn't perfect but 3.0 just takes the enshitification to a whole new level.
You think us 2.0 fags are bad. Wait till you meet the 1.0 fags.

>>97873038
Charge subphase being a free fucking round of shooting in 3.0 feels really stupid to me. Which is weird because I feel like the concept of a mid-charge volley fire thematically sounds really good.

>>97873213
the extra shoting phase is one, but the other is that it has a lot of w40k in it, for a lot of units/most legions . Pointless dice rolling to be specific.

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>>97863155
>>97873038
Today I will remind them.

>>97873353
What's wrong here?

>>97873213
I've seen people do shit in 2.0 to abuse reactions and pull of similar shit with either overwatch, return fire or interceptor.

My biggest gripe with 2.0 is the piss poor rules for Dreadnoughts, automata and knights. They just felt like an afterthought.

This is where 1.0 players just mog on us. Honestly if black books didn't cost a million dollars I'd be playing 1.0 and not even touching anything after it.