I want to make a Word of Blake unit for my first unit bigger than a merc lance. At least a company size. What unit should I go for?

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So what are quintessential /btg/ approved mechs?
Dragon I would presume obviously.
Whitworth?
Spider?
Rakshasa?

>>97897826
Jack(Off)rabbit

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HONOR THE DRAGON!

>>97897883
The dragon is gay

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>>97897883
Glory to the Commonwealth

>>97897824
52nd Shadow Division. They're based kino kingshit and their colour scheme mogs the other WoB schemes

Which era is the most fun for you?

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-4P

>>97898277
Whatever really takes my fancy. Quite like Star League and Reunification War eras but been trying some FedCom Civil War IS only mainly with melee mechs for shits and giggles and turned out to be surprisingly fun.
>>97898368
4J and 4G?

>>97898368
Woof, the CGL looks fucking melted next to the print.

>>97897826
Whitworth

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>>97896211
>>97897195
>>97896668
Protomechs are life.
Protomechs are love.

>>97898368
So CGL banning prints is like an ugly girl refusing to invite a pretty girl to her birthday party?

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>PGI fires a bunch of staff including flyingdebris
>Slowly their models start to get better

>>97898631
Claws and gun cowl added but otherwise looks exactly like before?
Huge fan of pgi prints but the claws here are an edgy hat on a hat.

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>the awesome is a dedicated ppc platform
>it doesnt ppc better than anything else

>>97898686
>3 ppcs at nearly heat neutral isn't better

>>97898702
No, since you can do that with any mech. The Awesome doesn't even get a range or heat sinking bonus. Not even a +1 to damage or accuracy.

>>97898725
>you can fire 17 ppcs over the course of 6 turns with barely any penalties with any mech

>>97898725
Name all the mechs that boat 3x PPC's or more anon. We can wait.

What was the most costly and bloody ground war in BT? I'm guessing either the SLDF's retaking of Terra of Terra or the battle of Terra between Stone's Coalition and the WoB at the end of Operation SCOUR.

>>97898101
You spelled Opacus Venatori wrong.
52 is hipster choice when everyone else is in white, gray and black.

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I did a slightly more elaborate method of laser jeweling on this Griffin IIC, and damn do I like it.

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>>97897833

>>97898774
Supposedly 25 also used other colors, but they also did things like deploy Lances and Stars so that people would be confused about who exactly just landed and started shooting at them.

>>97898686
It's an assault mech designed around shooting a bunch of PPCs at things, that's what a dedicated PPC platform is.
Customizing mechs is not as easy, cheap and risk free as it is in the video games. Converting something that isn't already carrying any PPCs into something that carries a bunch of them is asking for disaster and you're usually just better off buying something that comes with PPCs.
>>97898742
Annihilator, thug, titan, marauder IIC, warhawk, blood kite, hellstar, marauder II and the lament.

>>97898742
NtA but first thing that comes to my mind is Lament(3c-3r) cuz I was looking at it yesterday.

>>97898774
>Opacus Venatori
They're a part of the 52nd, loosely, and the TRULY kino thing to do is a have a few Venatori mechs in among your 52nd. They're assassins striking in the midst of battle, or Ascended Domini being placed in command of a 52nd force to eliminate a high value target.

>>97898791
Less than 10 out of aaaaaaallll the mechs in the game. You sure showed him. HHHYEP,

>>97898757
Kentares IV
>>97898791
>>97898796
Of those listed only the Annihilator can do that with introtech and not all of those are able to fire being heat neutral or close to heat neutral but then that's changing the goal posts which would be a dick move.

>>97898757
It's definitely either SLDF invasion or the Coalition's invasion of earth.

>>97898894
A lot of the casualties for the SLDF invasion can be attributed to void rather than ground combat.

>>97898875
Yeah, Lament is 9heat over it's dissipation. Got user HS thou so you might be able to shoot 3 every other turn.

>>97898875
It always makes me laugh that the lore is like "Kentares IV is the worst warcrime ever!" even though the WoB and Society were wiping out whole populations or even scouring entire planets clean of life with nukes and virus weapons and man made plagues and ASTEROID FIRING SUPER WEAPONS lmfao

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>>97898631
We know what the claws on the old green face are supposed to look like.

>>97898906
>It always makes me laugh that the lore is like "Kentares IV is the worst warcrime ever!" even though the WoB and Society were wiping out whole populations or even scouring entire planets clean of life with nukes and virus weapons and man made plagues and ASTEROID FIRING SUPER WEAPONS lmfao
BT writers don't know their own lore. Shocker. I am truly surprised by this fact.

>>97898906
Kentares IV was a blip in the radar casualty-wise compared to the many, many, other atrocities of the First Succession War, when humanity came close to nuking itself back to stone age and bombing worlds from the orbit until the nightside glowed in the dark was standard procedure. It's only really noteworthy due to the way it was carried out. Ordering the entire population of the planet to be literally put to the sword is much more visceral than somebody in the orbit pushing a button to delete a civilization. In the latter the casualties are abstract, reduced to statistics on a spreadsheet. The people committing the act will never have to look their victims in the eye when the hell comes down.

>>97898906
It's sort of like how the chinese kvetch way more over the nanking massacres than the japanese do about the nukes even though both events killed about as many people.

>>97898906
Kentares is nothing compared to the shit the Society, WoB, Clans and a billion other factions in BT have done. It's just retarded writers trying to be dramatic and shocking.
"Oh no! They killed people!"
Better to be shot in the head than killed with an engineered plague, or trapped on a world being slowly glassed from orbit by nukes.

The only crime about Kentares was the amount of arms that got tired Combine side.

>>97898757
The 3151 Battle of Terra, if one includes the IlClan Trial which ended said battle.
Basically every last military member of Clans Wolf and Jade Falcon plus the Stone's RAF died in that battle.

>>97899091
>Basically every last military member of Clans Wolf and Jade Falcon plus the Stone's RAF died in that battle.
What? That's just straight up wrong rofl
The Falcons and Wolves lost most of the soldiers who were ON TERRA, not spread across the galaxy.
The RAF didn't get wiped out, fuck a ton of Ares pilots and such ended up working WITH the Wolves against the Falcons.
Where did you get your info lol

Is 'warriors from multiple clans forming up a task force star for a joint mission' thing something that never ever happens?

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What's next after IlKhan's Eyes Only? I know we've got something set in Drac space, a Hotspot or something, coming out but is that all we know about?

>>97899118
Stone's Coalition and the Wars of Reaving.

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>>97899131
>>97899118

>>97898777
Your paint schemes almost made me a Snow Ravens player.

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>>97899125
The Matter of Pleiades

>>97899182
Pleiadeez nuts.

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>>97899182

In your opinion, which faction garners the most irrational hatred from fans?

>>97899324
Spess Ukraine?
>Good luck painting that

>>97899342
Capellans with the caveat that they are actually a very interesting and layered faction pre Xin Shen but after they go full Space China they become boring as hell.

>>97899342
>>97899394
Seconding the CapCon, they haven't done anything worse than anyone else in the setting has in the 800+ years of human space colonization/habitation, but they're painted as untrustworthy psycho shysters as a whole. If anything, Davion glazing has been the primary vehicle for the sort of propaganda taking such hold, all while occluding the MANY perfidious crimes of the FedSuns.

>>97899392
I'm actually working on that. Got the yellow done, just need to apply the blue once I settle on a shade and a method of application. Might use The Painted Topher's camo method for it.

>>97898631
RIP my beloved Rising Sun. Taken away from Rhonda and now Yen Lo.

>>97899579
The old one is still being kept, as far as i could tell

>>97899596
https://mw5mercs.com/news/2026/04/184-chaos-reign-new-details
>With this DLC, we’ve taking the opportunity to revisit the Yen Lo Wang and update its visual design. The goal is to bring it closer to current visual standards while keeping the identity of the original intact. We’re happy with how this redesign has turned out, and we think players will see it as a clear upgrade.
They're updating it completely. Which is a shame.
I suppose it matters not, though. I can still paint my mechs with the rising sun on tabletop.

>>97899182
Still no new Marian Hegemony lore T_T T_T T_T

>>97899118
Clans Wolf, Steel Wolves, Wolf Hunters, Wolf-In-Exile and the Wolf Dragoons team up to fight Stone on Terra at the end of the Dark Age/beginning of the Ilclan era. That's a loada different clans fighting together.
FUCK THAT'S A LOT OF YIFFS BOIS

>>97899665
If the new book is about periphery there is good chance to see some Martian lore too.

>>97899708
Just a sign of how devoid of imagination the lore people are, or relentless furfaggotry at the top pushing it.

>>97899714
DON'T FUCKING EDGE ME, ANON!

>>97899118
Clan Smoke Jaguar and Clan Nova Cat team up during the Battle of Luthien in the Clan Invasion era.

>>97899118
All the other surviving Homeworld Clans, Blood Spirits, Cloud Cobra, Star Adder etc, united in the war to wipe out Clan Steel Viper during their Trial of Annihilation,

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>>97899665

Anybody know how to fix the MegaMek(Lab) listing the same mechs three times? Like:
>Atlas AS7-D
>Atlas AS7-D
>Atlas AS7-D
>Annihilator ANH-1A
>Annihilator ANH-1A
>Annihilator ANH-1A
>and so on

>>97899916
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT BBBBBBBOOOOOOIIIIIIISSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

>>97899118
I mean, like Elememtals (CGB)/Summoner (CJF dude)/Timber Wolf (CW)/Nova Cat (CNC)/Viper (CSV) making up a Star for example

>>97899956
A few different disgraced Clanners from different clans form a Trinary in Icons of War and go on a rampage throughout Katyusha City while the main character does some spoiler stuff.
They were called the Retribution Wraiths, and were comprised of numerous disgraced or washed out Clanners. There were former Clanners from Clans Wolf, Jade Falcon, Ghost Bear, Smoke Jaguar, Steel Viper, Ice Hellion, and even a Clan Burrock member!
You're welcome :)

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Don't go to Addicks folks. If it ain't Fury and Hammers duking it out on your lawn, it's Highlanders and Wolves, or Swords and Cats, or Raiders and everyone.

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What sourcebooks/novels do I need to read to get the story of both Steel Wolves invasions of Northwind?

>>97899755
That already happened though.

at the battle of Tukayyid, Clan Smoke Jaguar and Clan Nova Cat were ordered to work together. CSJ was so pissed off about it that they refused to coordinate with CNC and ultimately kept getting in each other’s way

>>97900105
>That already happened though.
So???
OP asked if it ever happens. I provided an example. Sit down.

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I didn't hate it.

Daily reminder, twelve sarath's fit in a union, having compact, and narrow/low profile quirks.

And a turret. Decent armour, great speed/mobility. And one load out is a melee monster.

LIGERS for everyone.
>the dumbass fwl tards who make it hate it so you can easily 'get' it.

>>97897826
Griffin, duh. All the classics
Archer, warhammer, rifleman etc.

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>>97900102
Are they escorting a mirror?

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>>97900281
Mirrors being lostech would go a long way to explaining the state of faces in Battletech.

>>97900102
A Silence in the Heavens
Truth and Shadows

>>97900340
ty king

Relationships between the mercs-mercs and mercs-house who fought (and killed) each other in previous contracts; When ending up in a contract together next time, 'Buisiness is buisiness and no hard feelings'? Or 'fuck that assholes'? Not sure Waco holding deep grudge is unusual in BT universe or not

>>97900281
Coffin. Funeral procession.

>>97900386
Varies by unit/commander. Waco is an extreme end of the spectrum also occupied by people like Bronson's Horde.

Question about the Draconis Combine:

What does the combine do with their warrior caste when they don’t have a war to fight? Do they assign them other shit to do? Or just keep them on standby, just in case?

Because the DC is weeb-imperial Japan, and during the Edo period Japan had a similar problem: a bunch of samurai with no wars to fight and still being paid in rice despite the adoption of a currency System, resulting in a whole lot of overly pompous and armed bums going through an identity crisis and making that everyone else’s problem.

I just wondered, given the centuries of foresight the Combine had, what they do to keep their mechwarriors from doing the same thing when there isn’t a war to fight?

>>97900509
Ronin? Hidden Wars?

>>97898780
>swiggity swooty, he's coming for that booty
Pose

>>97900545
So… more or less repeat the exact same mistakes as Edo Japan?

>>97900565
No… more like, to protect the combine from its own military, he is expected to always be finding someone for the DCMS to fight. If not overtly as part of some conquest, then they are sent out as, functionally, privateers to cause havoc, basically anywhere else but Combine space.

Basically, the warrior caste is never left bored, thus they are always too busy to cause “mischief”.

>>97900509
Brutal training. They're the battletech fremen/sardaukar. And when they're not training their asses off constantly, they have pleasure quarters to 'relieve stress'...

>>97900452
Very reflective coffin.

>>97900386
Waco rangers are just faggot tards.

>>97900509
>What does the combine do with their warrior caste when they don’t have a war to fight?
They are a state military, so they do state military things. Anti-piracy actions, training rotations, border raids, that sort of thing. In the Star League days we know that skilled mechwarriors were allowed to seek out duels against the Star League forces, so there is probably still a dueling culture (especially post-Clan Invasion I would think.)
Don't fall into the trap of thinking that inspiration is determinative.

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>>97900743
> Don't fall into the trap of thinking that inspiration is determinative.
Yeah… but the answer is a bit… bland.

>>97900666
I mean, given what the name “Waco” brings to mind in the average American, that tracks perfectly.

>>97900817
Waco, Texas?

Why everyone knows nothing ever happened there.
Certainly not the government going full retard.
Don't be rediculous.

Were any Bloodnames used exclusively by Clan Wolf-in-Exile? That is, NOT used by Clan Wolf? (I am of course ignoring “Kell.”)

>>97900281
That's the Chicago bean. Prized possession, very valuable.

>>97900822
You may not like it but that cult had to go.

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>>97900480
JAIME KILLED MUH BOI

>>97900549
Kek

>>97900822
> Why everyone knows nothing ever happened there.
> Certainly not the government going full retard.
> Don't be rediculous.

Of course not, silly me….

Say, you think the Waco Rangers ever worked with the Ruby Ridge Militia? Just curious…

>>97900980
I guess those were assault toddlers ready to overthrow gobermint with nukes.
AFAJCD

>>97898505
>tfw well never see protos scaled to 28mm scale for running in battlertroops games

>>97901040
> AFAJCD
Don’t know that acronym.

>>97900980
Whoch the government had every opportunity to do, on the many, many times the cult leader was out and about in town, alone, unarmed, they KNEW such details, and they had an active warrant they were sitting on and refused to serve, pointedly several times when they had entire teams of officers and agents doing rolling screens and tails around him.

They could have easily nabbed him peaceably, many, many times.

>>97901104
Don’t forget the cult invited the police to come onto the property on their own accord. Making a warrant unnecessary.

Waco is just one of those rare situations where it doesn’t matter if you’re pro-government, anti-government, or something else entirely, every American pretty much agrees that was a massive, tragic, cluster-fuckup that should’ve gotten everyone involved fired…

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>finish painting yen lo Wang
>New design shown off two days later

I dunno if I woulda done that harder paint scheme but I'm just frustrated about the timing in general lol.

>>97901125
Or prosecuted jailed AND fired. Utterly criminal negligence and incompetence.

If you or I had gone and done something only half as bad, death row would await us.

Been awhile since I read any battletech novels and I'm also unfamiliar with the Ilclan era. What are some recommended novels to get me back in to the setting?

>>97901140
Yen lo Wang hasn't got the lasers iirc, he's rocking just a fuckhueg autocannon, no? An ac20?

>>97901145
Well, they decided that there's a statute of limitation on unconstitutional police actions. Apparently. And hey look at that, the feds can and have decided to not even start investigating their own fuckups until after that time limit is up. What a funny coincidence.

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Damn it finally got in stock

>>97901151
It still has a couple lasers, and the claw is actually a claw-shaped hatchet.

>>97901140
You've got the true Yen-Lo so I wouldn't worry about it. A good paint job, if a lil bit dark.

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Hey, if you were to guess which house these mechs belonged to (the green ones), which would you say?

100% are not mercs.

>>97901268
Green and gold is classic capellan colors, no?

>>97901219
Kinda miffed that it's three osts and a night sky instead of a full set of four

>>97901319
Probably. Makes the most sense…
Though, I’d also expect FedSuns to be all yellows and tans for some reason, but instead their most iconic pattern is blue with a red&white racing stripe, so what do I know.

>>97899175
They’ve got some kickass mechs and some cool paint jobs, but the Ravens don’t see a lot of action for a good chunk of the timeline. Kinda hard to make them fit into campaigns and such unless you’re playing ilClan.

>>97901517
fingers crossed for the Aces box 4

>>97901365
It's Scarabus

>>97901551
Close enough, point still stands

>>97901546
Personally don’t know if I’ll spring for that or not. I print just about everything these and most of the Raven mechs have some great sculpts out there by now. Might just get it for the maps and scenarios and such though.

>>97901151
The YLW drops the LRMs, the CN-9AH drops the lasers instead.

>>97901568
I want at least one of every aces boxes for the decks. Fuck the minis.

>>97901248
Yea i brightened it up a bit after taking the picture plus the lighting didnt help (didnt do the /tg/ classic of taking pics of minis in an empty fridge)

>>97901799
>I like AS
Disgusting sodomite degen.

>>97901976
suck all the dicks, loser, i like having big forces on the table, lots of terrains.

>>97900817
Waco Rangers were published in the Mercenary's Handbook in 1987. The Branch Davidians were attacked by the ATF in 1993.

>>97898101
>>97898774
What about units that aren't Manei Domini? They're cool but I'll never be able to actually use them on the table.

>>97899714
>Martian lore

Good, everything outside Earth is ignored way too much

>>97901268
The Pillager itself suggests the lance is most likely Capellan.

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òwó

Barring the Comstar, was the Bounty Hunter the only one who is known to havr (openly) used any kind of lostech pre-3039?

>>97902340
that's not the cat pawprints

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mewawwiow~ miaauu~!

uwu7

>>97901976
Trying Too Hard

>>97902342
Lostech was actually, from a standpoint of being present, extant across the Sphere even right up to Helm; it was just being rationed extremely hard by only the most elite and well heeled forces. It wasn't worth risking outside of the most crucial operations.

Only people like the Bounty Hunter would use it regularly because they needed the edge it provided and they had means enough to keep it working or replaced. Average Joe Mechwarrior on the other hand was lucky to find some of it running in salvage and either ran it into the ground chasing their next payday or sold it to the previously mentioned forces and researchers who'd pay them more for it than they'd ever make from using it.

This is at least what my impressions have been from reading 3rd Succ stuff.

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>>97902087
Outside the Shadow Divisions all WoB divisions use the standard Comstar white colorscheme, so it doesn't really matter which one you paint them as unless you actually intend to do unit symbols on all the mechs.
IIRC 3rd division were the absolute madlads led by the guy who killed three Elementals while armed only with a vibroknife and an unshakable faith in Blake, who were wiped out nearly to a man trying a decapitation strike against the Coalition leadership on Hesperus, only to rebuild and combat-drop in the middle of the battle of Dieron, doing their best impression of the battle of Monte Cassino while holding Fortress Dieron with a couple of Protectorate Militia divisions against three Clan galaxies and a regiment of Dieron Regulars, inflicting 10 to 1 casualty rate on the attackers and somehow managing to get their survivors off the planet and join the WoB assets that fled the Inner Sphere at the end of the Jihad.

>>97902430
3rd Division didn't hear no bell.

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Did someone say Blake?
White is hard even with cheating methods.

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>>97902449
Based Blakist

>>97902449
you never paint 'white' you always paint off whites. yellow whites, grey whites, etc. anything except white white.

>>97902481
The only actual white there is the highest highlights, but light grey is also kind of difficult. I had a lot of touch ups of areas that were too dark after layering up from a lightish mid-grey.

>>97902485
another look I have seen is the gunpla 'white' where you paint up in a yellow or bone white, and then you actually use a marker to draw in the lines, the recesses.

hell some gunpla kits come in coloured plastic so you never even have to paint the white, and you can just choose to draw in the lines.

>>97902491
I've done it on a different paintjob, I just primed it in a slight off-white and then pinwashed the panel lines and used a titanium hwhite to do edge highlights. It came out okay, but was mostly carried by not being an entirely white model.

>>97902505
this just gets back to my 'cgl should stop being assfucking retards and just get bandai namco to make their minis already, like any sane company would' point.

they would do SOOOOOO much better jobs of it.

>>97901073
All feds are jewish cum dumps

>>97901984
Trying too hard

>>97901268
If those brown panels were gold, they could be Shin Legion, who (depending on when on the timeline) were either working for the Capellans or working for the Dracs

>>97901976
t. a grognard gooning while waiting for Classic Aces

>>97898780
needs a Jessica Rabbit Dervish

>>97902589
trying too hard

>>97902650
The Gunslinger is one intimidating ‘Mech. I currently have one on deck for my 40th Shadow Division project.

>>97902414
One day, brother.

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>>97902667
It's a handsome lad that packs serious punch, I've got one in my 8th Sword of Light's command lance.

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>>97902449
The Word has our faithful
Waiting in every state

>>97902653
Kek we have broken the contrarian-anon.

>>97902675
The boatfaceman.

>>97900313
I do hate how old art is being digitally redone using the new shimmy designs.

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>>97902681
>yfw faggot Blakists ruined a perfectly good setting faction

>>97902699
We get it, contrarian-anon
>old deific, new satanic
Get a new fucking line, its getting old. You're boring.

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>>97902699

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Alright lads, I am working on a scenario based on Devlin’s Stone’s Coalition retaking Hesperus II from the Word in 3074. Writing the background for the CE Delta Galaxy Star characters and I want the Star Commander to have fought a Trial against their CW-I-E allies a few months before while the Coalition was defending Skye. The whole idea is that allowing the Trial to even happen was part of a plan by Delta’s Warden-leaning CO Katys Kerensky to ease tensions between CW and CW-I-E during the campaign and also deradicalize some of the stauncher Crusaders in her own Galaxy (primarily XO Dirk Radick). What kind of Trial should it be?
>>97902666
Diabolical Numbers, but I love a Wolfhound, And I love killing a Wolfhound from time to time. Last weekend my buddy hosted a scenario for us based on the War of 3039. Among other strange sights, the Fedrats encountered an odd Dragon sporting a PPC?? What in the world??
The prototype Grand Dragon was chasing down a Centurion and a Wolfhound (WLF-1), managing to first knockout the latter’s LL and then disable it. But the damn Wolfhound got a lucky shot in return, punching through the Grand Dragon’s LT armor into the LRM 10 ammo. CASE contained the damage but the DRG-5K has that fat CL engine hanging over into the LT and RT.
>>97902675
In the Level II I’m cooking up, the GUN-ERD1 is the commander’s ride. Her special rule gives her a -1 mod to hit on any enemies her subordinates Adepts have already hit during the same Weapons Attack Phase.
>>97902681
Nice work on your Shadow Div, anon! Which one is it?

>>97902699
The new designs are objectively better than the shitty boomer art, so remaking the old art with the new designs is an objective improvement. The sooner everything made before 2016 is replaced the sooner Battletech can actually get good for once.

>>97902430
So what kind of units should I put in a 3rd Division company?

>>97902449
why is white hard

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>>97902744
>Writing the background for the CE Delta Galaxy Star characters and I want the Star Commander to have fought a Trial against their CW-I-E allies a few months before while the Coalition was defending Skye. The whole idea is that allowing the Trial to even happen was part of a plan by Delta’s Warden-leaning CO Katys Kerensky to ease tensions between CW and CW-I-E during the campaign and also deradicalize some of the stauncher Crusaders in her own Galaxy (primarily XO Dirk Radick). What kind of Trial should it be?

This doesn't make any sense and is also extremely gay

>>97902768
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRbQuKOt8xI

>97902713
Havnt you got another mono lance to be smearing in excreme-sorry, nuln oil?

>>97902750
1, they vary from okay to awful. I find a lot of the modern designs are very samey and seem to have done away with a lot of iconic or identifiable features. Bonus points for the inclusion of panel lines and mounting divots that really should not be visible at this scale, and that if scaled up would be meters wide/across. There is a loss of progression across the eras, or a feel that different companies in different time periods made different chassis.
And as for the art, by all means use née designs in the new stuff but imo the old stuff should be left alone.

>>97902717
Case and point, there was no need to digitally redo this classic, especially as the hand-painted original had soul to it that the digital rehash lacks.

>>97902772
It makes perfect sense. Idc about the gay part.

So I'm a beginner and I bought the beginner box that came with 2 mechs. I love mechs and wargaming but idk if I should get into regular battletech or Alpha Strike? Is one more popular than the other?

>>97902788
Classic. AS loses most if the nuance and the feeling of commanding mechs

>>97902796
Can you still havenbuildings and terrain in classic?

>>97902779
The old stuff should be banned and the people who think it was ever acceptable should be driven out of the game.

>>97902798
For sure. You can also play on flat mats (sheets of paper or neoprene) that have all the terrain printed in them. There are terrain rules in bot games, of course. Alpha Strike is more of a fun miniatures game, whereas Classic is more of a simulation it’s board game.

>>97902819
Is painting your miniatures in battletech required? I know warhammer has a huge stigma against them being unpainted. Is it pretty laid back on that aspect?

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>>97902832
It’s not a big deal at all. You don’t even really need miniatures for BattleTech. The box sets even come with cardboard standees. All you need is some token that can indicate which ‘Mech is represented and which hex side it’s facing, There is even a common cliche about “play with anything, even bottle caps” when it comes to this question.
As a miniatures game, Alpha Strike is a little different and attracts more players who like to put together speckles of scenery and painted ‘Mechs. But there’s not really the kind of shaming about gray minis you find among GW devotees.

>>97902837
*spectacles, not “speckles” lmao

Is there any downside of installing TSM on a mech? Both fluff and crunchwise. I mean yeah heat management is annoying but I don't think it weighs or anything

>>97902832
You don't have to paint them. It is not required by the rules, and you can play with anything which fits inside the hex as long as it's front facing is clearly marked.

With that said, you should have enough self-respect and respect for your opponent's experience to field painted miniatures whenever possible. Any game is better than no game, and if you are somewhere where you can't have miniatures for whatever reason for whatever reason (we used 5.56mm casings in Afghanistan), then that's fine. But if you are planning to show up at a game store and insist to use some bottle caps and scraps of paper, then you're being a cheap cunt who doesn't care about your opponent's enjoyment and you shouldn't be part of the community.

>>97902852
... do you know what "critical slots" are, anon?

Has anyone tried this on battletech minis?

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>>97902874
Manmade horrors beyond comprehension

>>97902927
My main objection to this is that the paints are too thick. Thin them for christ sake!

>>97902987
That and those colours are ugly. >>97902927 these colours are so garish they hurt to look at.

>>97902832
While there is no official rules requiring painting them, or even using them, I think it's a nice courtesy to at least give them a solid color and dip/tone so they're not all just bare plastic on the table. It makes it easier for you and opponents to keep track of who's who.

>>97902832
I feel like I see more unpainted minis with gen x and older millennials
Might be a generational divide
Or just something local

>>97902927
>>97902987
It's a fine ice cream palor formation, but the paints really need to be thinned and the details inked or otherwise highlighted.

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>>97903150
> Might be a generational divide
Doubtful, as I’m a millennial and I refuse to use a mech UNTIL I’ve painted it.
> Or just something local
Possibly, but considering how prevalent “shameful grey” seems to be within the 40k community, I’d sooner suspect it to be a sign of unmanaged autism.

>>97902987
>>97903202
Or something, but yeah the minis almost look like they’re made of play-dough the paint is so thick. Which I don’t know exactly how that was managed, since I don’t exactly thin my paints either, but I don’t usually get that effect. I mean, maybe just not put so many goddamn layers down if you aren’t thinning them?

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>>97903278
unpainted minis are cringe. just use standees or make ur own minis out of clay

>>97902927
this does not spark joy

>>97901984
But you're already sucking all the dicks

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Like with food, I assume that if you need your mercenary group to have uniforms, especially dress uniforms if you want to impress certain clients (particularly those acting on behalf of a Great House), hiring hall worlds also have factories for making uniforms and tailors that cater to mercenary groups who can afford to have dress uniforms?

>>97903314
Hey faggot.
Kill yourself.

>>97902744
>What kind of Trial should it be?
Trial of Grievance

>>97903348
>also have factories for making uniforms
We know there's a Boots And Nothing But Boots World, but I don't think uniform-making is ever directly addressed in setting except for the Clans (they got a caste for that). They don't even try and pull a Falkenberg's Legion and have uniforms be made by the troops' spouses as an explanation.

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>>97903356

>>97903374
I think it has to be. Nothing else makes much sense (“legally”).
Any ideas about what it should be over?

So megamek let's you load semi guided lrms into clan launchers. When if ever do the clans copy SG lrms tech? Or is this to represent IS forces using clantech launchers?

>>97903439
It's more that there's nothing stopping you from theoretically doing so per the rules.

>>97903439
I find it endlessly amusing that the 'technologically advanced' clans that go hard for their military have worse and fewer options in terms of weaponry, mech equipment, and actual high tech options.

Like the IS has like 8 kinds of armor including for niche cases, 15 kinds of ammunition for every reality on every gun or missile, ecm, tags, melee weapons, command consoles, multiple kinds of c3 a million edge case technologies like tsm etc.

And then you have the clans - what if we made our weapons hotter and fire farther despite the fact that most mechs can blitz down the center line and be in medium range turn 1 anyway? Not even a good battlefield innovation baka.

>>97903645
> what if we made our weapons hotter and fire farther
Trust me, the Clan ER lasers are still significantly cooler, as in “generates less heat”, than Inner Sphere ER lasers.

It’s actually kinda funny, many mech variants that came about as a result of the Helm memory core would often perform worse than the earlier Succession Wars shitboxes because of how much poorer their heat management had gotten.

>>97903645
Hotter lasers is a non-issue when all of your mechs pack 10+ DHS into the engine. Plus almost everything from the clans is faster than comparable IS mechs and can maintain distance easier where they can range-bot the enemy to death with ease.

Obviously just strapping a clan ER Large laser onto your succ wars shitbox is a waste because you can’t stop the enemy from running you down because you can’t stay away for long enough and can’t fire the gun at-will. But clan mechs don’t have those problems.

>>97903675
Clan Er mediums and larges generate the same heat as the IS ones.

The point was that the main thing the clans have is range but the game encourages short range play and extended rules put emphasis on numbers while the clans also lack the technology to capitalize on their range via indirect fire, movement blocking, buffs to focus fire, or crowd control effects.

Once the game moved away from matches via tonnage you'd expect clans to get the fancy tech to compensate for the numbers disadvantage and game's systemic push for close quarters combat but the IS actually get most of that and earlier.

This is funny because it makes the guys with advanced tech look like idiots beyond the Zellbrigen honor system and formation rules that most people aren't dumb enough to bother using.

>>97903710
The main thing Clans have is cLPLs, which can snipe you from across the typical map and turn into basically autohit weapons when you finally close the distance. Theoretically IS having the numbers advantage would give them an edge, but in practice most games still have a lance or star on each side, so you're not really seeing an IS company against a Clan star, but an IS assault lance against a Clan medium star. And the Clans have more firepower and aren't even that much more fragile since IS mechs need the extremely vulnerable XL engine to get anywhere close to Clan firepower. And they can spend multiple turns sniping at the IS mechs with cLPLs before they get into their effective range.

>>97903645
>I find it endlessly amusing that the 'technologically advanced' clans that go hard for their military have worse and fewer options in terms of weaponry, mech equipment, and actual high tech options.
Most of that IS tech is extremely situational, easily countered, or just plain boondoggles. C3 is great until it gets completely shut down by one mech with ECM and you realize it increases the BV of your lance by 25%, most of the specialist armor is good against one type of weapon while worse than standard armor against the rest, etc.
Meanwhile the Clans don't really need a ton of specialized gear when they have the cERPPC (relatively light long-range headcapper that doesn't need ammo) and the cLPL (the do-everything weapon).

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>>97903749
>the clans have a much smaller population and resource pool
>still ahead of the IS by leaps and bounds despite over 100 years of the IS messing with clan tech
>the clans continue to just win at everything while the IS is top busy fighting each other for no real reason

>>97903729
>And the Clans have more firepower and aren't even that much more fragile
An IS assault mech is significantly more durable than a clan medium. The XL thing is massively overblown. You still have to chew through the armor and destroy the torso for the IS XL to matter, you act as though it's guaranteed. And a clan mech that gets a side torso blown is likely only surviving for a additional turn, if it isn't immediately rendered combat ineffective. And that only applies if you're mindlessly mashing mechs together, forced withdrawal rules shift the balance pretty significantly.
>The main thing Clans have is cLPLs
Not all clan mechs mount clpls. Most mechs don't, so unless you're deliberately spamming them it's not as big a deal as you make out.

>>97903710
>Once the game moved away from matches via tonnage you'd expect clans to get the fancy tech to compensate for the numbers disadvantage and game's systemic push for close quarters combat
I'd argue that's what ATMs and heavy lasers are, both those start showing up on mechs pretty frequently, and heavily encourage brawling

>>97903278
>I’m a millennial
I was mostly thinking of the ones in their mid 40s
>I’d sooner suspect it to be a sign of unmanaged autism.
I feel like the people with Battletech as their special interest would care a lot about having minis painted

>>97902856
So other than taking up critical slots, there is no reason not to shove TSM in on all mechs?

>>97903858
Expensive.

>>97903846
> would care a lot about having minis painted

I think that’s usually the problem. They’re so fixated on needing to get it “perfect” right from the start that they either never start, or take an unreasonably long time to get even one done (at least when compared to the final product).

Plus you get the ones who both take too long to get any work done and have over-committed to other hobbies as well, so the chances that they’ll actually get those other models done so they can start working on their mechs before they die of old age becomes increasingly less likely.

>>97903380

>Boots And Nothing But Boots World

First I heard of such a world. I assume that's not its actual name?

>>97903380
>>97903924

>except for the Clans (they got a caste for that)

That reminds me, when Wolf's Dragoons was first created, were there non-Warriors (Laborers, Merchants, Technicians, and Scientists) that were also marshaled for what originally a reconnaissance mission to ascertain if the Clans can successfully invade the Inner Sphere?

>>97903949
I mean, yes.

But the mission wasn’t to ascertain if the clans could be able to invade the inner sphere (they already assumed they could), it was to determine if it was even worth the effort.

>>97903949
There were, yes. A Mercenary company needs a large support structure, so they had a wide swathe of the castes.

>>97903710
The Clan ERMed is a Llas-equivalent though.

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>>97903924
>First I heard of such a world. I assume that's not its actual name?
Comstock

If the FedSuns are a mix of English and French cultural traditions and influences. Then, I wonder how deep those English roots go?

like if someone told Davion that the Capellans discovered a new species of tea that they refuse to share, would his response be “that’s nice, why should I care?” Or “PREPARE TO BE COLONIZED!”?

>>97903356
I had hoped that flabby freak had finally seen itself in a mirror and killed itself. Too much to hope for I guess but atleast it's no longer posting its deformed body.

>>97904003

Thanks. Source on this? I may have to fill the Sarna.net page on Comstock (https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Comstock) with this.

>>97904003
>Space Romans make bitchen shoes
Kino

>>97904022
>I had hoped that flabby freak had finally seen itself in a mirror and killed itself. Too much to hope for I guess but atleast it's no longer posting its deformed body.
???
wut

>>97904041
Heed not the schizoposters

By the way, House Liao is the one known for having a history of schizophrenia and dementia? Or am I confusing it with a different house.

I know one Kurita was developing dementia going into the 2nd succession war, but he seemed like a one-off for house Kurita.

>>97904006
Just call them the space Normans. Makes more sense.

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Has anyone ever painted up a Stone's Coalition force? It sounds like a pretty kino project.

Hell's Horses Clan Vehicles and ProtoMechs
Ghost Bear Clan Mechs and BA
Draconis Combine Inner Sphere Vehicles and BA
ComStar inner Sphere Mechs

>>97903835
ATMs are a decent example that are fairly competitive with IS MMLs in 1v1 scenarios. They fall apart when you realize that mmls get like 15 ammo types and can fire indirectly or ignore movement modifiers with tag. But at least they match what I'd expect from Clanners.

Heavy lasers give a penalty to hit which I actually think is terrible. Clanners are supposed to be higher skill than IS boys but if they're eating a penalty to hit and a points increase - why even bother half the time? If the clan mechs that mount them are dirt cheap - ie IS mech costs maybe. There are a few decent HL mechs but most just look like a waste of a rec sheet to me for the same reason people argue pulse lasers are undercosted.

>>97904069
Every Liao is insane. Some of them are less insane than others.

>>97904111
improved heavy lasers have no accuracy penalty

>>97904006
The FedSuns are space Camelot, not space British empire.

The FedSuns are far too self-righteous to do even half the shit the British Empire did

>>97904117
Yeah, the Liaos reliably produce mentally disturbed descendants. All other houses only get one of those every five or six generations or so.

Then again, the Liaos probably also are the one ruling family that has not been replaced by a cadet line assuming the main family name.

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>>97904181
The Fedsuns are ridiculously imperialistic - they claim systems for the heck of it and they liberally use the Skid Row strategy of border defense.
Their ruling house is even less concerned with the well-being of their nation than the US ruling class, they tank their economy for war on the regular like they got beef with Fascist Italy's Abyssinia campaign.

>>97904111
I'm not really arguing that they're good, I think heavy and imp. heavy lasers are pretty much inferior to ERs. I'm just pointing out that you do see a shift in clan tech that favors in-close engagements. HAGs arguably fall into this category as well, with their cluster bonus at short range, encouraging closing in rather than skirmishing at 15+ hexes.

>>97904111
You should look at the Vulture Mk IV D. Improved Heavy Lasers, ATMs with HE ammo, and Ferro Lamellor coupled with speed make for an extremely effective brawler.

>>97904201
Taurian hands wrote this.

>>97904201
Lyran Commonwealth has more in common with the British Empire than FedSuns do. He's right that Space Camelot is a better analogy for FedSuns.

>>97904270
The Vulture Mk IV fucks, even the “bad” ones are perfectly functional clan trooper mechs. The D is just scary though, get that thing the fuck away from me.

>>97904041
>>97904055
Bottom anon may no longer use his name, but his posting style is very distinct. If you had been here late as last autumn you would know.

>>97904283
>>97904307
The area the Fedsuns call the Outback would be the near periphery to every other house, and they really don't give a single shit about any of it other than getting to color that part of the space map yellow. When part of it broke off, just being able to have any amount of economic direction from a government immediately improved the economy of the entire area, including the parts that were still fedsun. That part only broke off because New Avalon hadn't communicated with them at all for years and they were sick of being in a holding pattern while pirates ran rampant.
At least after that, the central government was able to pretend it cared about the region so secessionist ideas wouldn't spread. But for most of their history, the Outback would have been better off as periphery.

>>97904383
#RopeAllVaguePosters

>>97904396
Check the archive. Go there and search "Bottom Anon". You'll (unfortunately) see and be able to recognise him pretty quickly.
He's got an identifiable posting style along with nuln and manic, the other two thread plagues.

>>97904431
>archivefag

Natural Selection has been added to Audiobook formal. It'll be uploaded sometime later on today after I get done dealing with the Strixhaven pre-release.

>>97904099
Would be fun to paint, at least. Plus there's some fun /yourdudes/ potential there.

>>97904555
Trips witnessed, Blake looks fondly upon your good works

>>97904385
Still sounds like something a Taurian would say.

Those people have the most irrational hatred for the FedSuns. I don’t even think the Cappellans or Combine hate the FedSuns as much as the Taurians.

Seriously, if the Taurian Concordat were invaded by literal aliens from outer space, they’d still find a way to blame it on the FedSuns.

>>97904639
>irrational hatred
Lorelet

>>97904639
>Taurian hatred
>Irrational
I don't think you know what that word actually means.

>>97904639
The Outback is the only place in the IS where planets still on the map have literally zero government. The economic activity of many worlds there is nearly zero. No jobs or schools, subsidence farming only, one jumpship per year kind of places. They're not even worth raiding because there's nothing there but uneducated and unskilled rural nobodies and slowly decaying basic infrastructure that was installed 500 years ago.

>>97904201
Now explain how the FedSuns are able to win so much without throwing up your hands and declaring writer fiat

Something they're doing works.

>>97902407
It was called Lostech and not ExTech for a reason.

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Swamp battle! House Davion vs GDL!

IMO the Taurians have good reasons to hate the FedSun, but their paranoia and reactions are irrationally over the top.
Also, dunno why they don't hate the CapCon as much as the FedSun

>>97904099
This could look really cool or really shit depending on how it's done.

>>97904740
Wow, they won against the faction running mook mechs.
Congrats for kicking the three-legged Chihuahua while strangling the Pug.

>>97904836
Are you suggesting that the Draconis Combine runs “mooks”?

Are you daring to insult the dragon?

>>97904836
Okay. I'm not agreeing that they're fighting cripples, but what makes you see the FedSuns as a mastiff fighting chihuahuas and pugs?

How did the FedSuns develop a military this powerful?

>>97904847
I’m telling you, this feels like they have an irrational hate-boner for FedSuns. They just don’t want to admit it.

>>97904836
>Not honoring the Dragon.
Shamefur dispray

Late SW Dracs: So far I got the Jenner, Panther, Dragon, Catapult K2, Hatamoto-Chi and the Mauler; Any other iconic Drac mechs in this period I should include?

>>97904899
Panther

>>97904899
Charger

>>97904899
HUNCHBACK

>>97904899
They love their Hunchbacks, Wolverines, and Chargers. They also get some ComStar goodies in 3039 like the Thug, Flashman, and Crocket.

>>97904899
Hermes III

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>>97904022
Im not fat wtf

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am a faggot tho

uwu

>>97904111
It's really odd that you are rating the ability to have shit like thunder-vibrabomb higher than doing more damage at higher ranges while weighing less.

>>97905122
40k general is down the hallway

>>97905122
>>97905129
The freak has escaped containment. Sound the alarm.

>>97905017
>>97904899
don't forget the Lancelot

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Raptors are cool.

>>97905190
I really miss Dark Age sometimes

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I really don’t get the idea of the police-Urbanmech. I mean, generally unless the mech is specifically kitted out with anti-personnel weaponry, they typically suck at dealing with guys on foot. And I never see the urbanmech armed with flamethrowers, machine guns, or pulse lasers. Which just makes me think that the police have these, and it’s not just for show, then it’s for the explicit purpose of dealing with criminals with Battlemechs. To that I have to ask: “how out of control is organized crime in the Inner Sphere that random street thugs can get their hands on advanced military hardware with such frequency that the local PD feels having a task force explicitly for such situations is an appropriate use of resources?” And follow-up question: “I thought mechs were supposed to be largely “rare” machines? How can they be both rare enough that some planets might’ve never seen a mech, but prevalent enough that criminal elements can acquire them with enough frequency that the local PD felt it necessary to get mechs of their own?”

What the heck is going on in the IS?

>>97905217
nigga ain't no one reading dat

>>97905217
Does a typical SWAT unit spend a lot of time fighting people with the same level of equipment as them?
Are real world police armored vehicles for fighting criminal armored vehicles, or are they for decisively winning against people that definitely don't have anti-armor weapons?

>>97905217
I mean the K9 is suppose to be a Machine gun Boat, plus Industrial Mechs are a thing.

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>>97905196
Same :(

>>97905217
Urbanmech has BAR10 armor and instantly outclasses a stolen industrialmech
>but the industrialmech is faster than the urbanmech
do you think the core purpose of the police is anything more noble than protecting the property of the elite? A 2/3 mech is perfectly fine for a defensive role like this.

>>97905268
You’re kinda proving my point. SWAT doesn’t have weaponry geared to deal with a near-peer opponent.

But these police-urbies sure are.

>>97905360
The police urbies are geared to overwhelmingly put down industrialmech technicals and the like. When Killdozers are a regular part of the threat environment, you want military gear.

>>97905160
You're totally right I did fuck.

>>97905272
According to Sarna, the K9 is outfitted with an UAC5, a large laser, and 2 small lasers. None of which are exactly ideal for, say, riot-control, or combating entrenched criminals. But pretty good for fighting light and medium mechs.

>>97905375
> When Killdozers are a regular part of the threat environment, you want military gear.
Again, that’s my point!
How fucked up has the inner sphere gotten that Killdozers are something to be expected and not a one-off anomaly?

>>97905405
Very. Try reading the lore, shit's fucked and space feudalism doesn't help.

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>>97905217
The rarity of mechs depends entirely on what era you're in and the budget for capital world government institutions is always very high. There are places that buy these things for their fire departments near big factories instead of just a truck and some hazmat suits.

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Found out that the reason my mother took home all of the Battletech boxes I was going to throw out was not just that they're sturdy boxes, but that they are the perfect size for holding her tax papers.
This seems appropriate.

>>97905405
>How fucked up has the inner sphere gotten
brother we are in a setting where mercenaries are a celebrated professional class, and signing up to kill people is seen as a fantastic way to raise your lot in life

it's safe to say that capital-labor relations are awful and it's more likely that you'll do stochastic terrorism than attempt collective bargaining

>>97905510
Labor relations is the bread and butter of small time mercenaries.

>>97905530
too true

>>97905432
> and space feudalism doesn't help.
I mean, yeah… there’s a reason feudalism is no longer used as a model of government anymore.

>>97905510
-also very true…
Kinda Surprised then that the Pinkertons haven’t made a reappearance as a mercenary company.

>>97903696
CERLLs are objective upgrades over standard PPCs. Any SuckWars shitbox with PPCs can swap every one of those out for CERLLs and more than make up the difference in heat with single sinks, leaving them objectively stronger at every range. The story simply isn't the same as ISERLLs.