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>>97885669
HA HA

I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE TUBESCUM

>>97885765
Com* doesn't want you to know, but Elementals are free.

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HONOR THE DRAGON!

So it's safe to say the clans gathering intel(extremely poorly) on the inner sphere first, one of the few sensible things the clans attempted, instead of just launching a blind invasion was a massive blunder.

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>>97885806
The point of that move wasn't to collect actionable intel but to shut up the crusaders, I feel.

Otherwise, they would've tried to use the Goons to form some kind of pro-Return of the Star League forces inside of the IS instead of going in Leeroy Jenkins.

>>97885806
Plot need to happen, also writers fav wolfs dragoons had to be doing something I guess.

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if i'm rolling crit locations and it's a 2-table location and i roll a 'roll again', do i remain in that table or do i redetermine the table first?

>>97886050
Redetermine table first

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>>97885669
Second track of campain, night assault. I thought we got draw but I might get cheeky win this time too.

Leg guns are a seriously under-utilized niche

>>97886348
Does anon mean Bayonetta-style shotgun high heels or leg-mounted guns like some random MG sticking out of a mech's thigh?

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Which one of you Wolf shits is ready for an ass whoopin’?

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>>97886390
I'm pretty sure he means the leg weapons mechs already have.
You can actually mount some pretty powerful weapons in the legs, like ERPPCs or LPLs, though there's almost never a reason to actually mount them in the legs. Leg guns come with downsides that weapons mounted anywhere else do not.

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>>97886390
It's not that kind of setting, no. Usually means machine gun knees, really.

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>>97886422
Sexy wip of my green bird.

>>97886431
>low amount of critical slots
>can’t shoot over hills
>can’t kick if you fire the leg weapons

Stuff like B-Pods makes sense to there, but who is out here putting an ER-PPC in the legs? You get nothing but drawbacks for doing it.

Late SW Dracs: So far I got the Jenner, Panther, Dragon, Catapult K2, Hatamoto-Chi and the Mauler; Any other iconic Drac mechs in this period I should include?

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You walk into a bar and this guy slaps your girl's ass. Wat do?

>>97886520
I suppose you can fire leg mounted weapons when in depth 1 water and hit underwater targets. That's all I got.

Maybe anon wants a groin mounted lbx or something so they can spray "hot lead" all over their enemies?

On a more amusing note while all the sane people would question it, I'm sure pitching feet mounted small lasers as "Laser Talons" would have all the Jade Falcon engineers aggressively taking notes. A weapon that can only be fired when making DFA attacks? Sounds terrible but consider the potential - it would look hella cool!

>>97886520
Sirocco's ER medium lasers are the heaviest weapons any actual mech mounts in the legs off the top of my head.

>>97886585
Shoot him with sl for touching my machine, hands of Mongoose you brutes!

>>97886348
Why shoot a leg weapon when I can kick some poor bastard

>>97886482
Those are looking good! Omega Galaxy was my number 2 pick but I went with Epsilon since I don’t have experience with painting metallic mechs. Plus, these are pretty quick to knock out, not too many colors to block out. Just base coat, sponge a few layers, wash and trim.

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Turtle bros...the crabs are making fun of us again!

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>>97886682
Yeah, that scheme is pretty quick and actually fun to paint, 180 opposite of cloud cobra scheme I picked first.
Green Bird won, better mech lists and I like their bird mechs more. Very cool designs.

>>97886734
Crab vs Hoplite isn't even a mach.

>>97886753
Just wait until we deploy the Great Turtle! Even the King Crab will fall!

>>97886744
those are nice colours. which paint company?

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Here’s a fun question:

What are some signs that your Star Captain secretly hates you?

as in: won’t openly say it and everything they do to fuck you over is wrapped in a veil of plausible deniability

>>97886882
Consistently bidding you or the unit you are part of away, especially if doing so is unnecessary or unreasonable.
Being often assigned to the least intense task that he needs a star or point(you) to do.
Siding with your antagonist in any trials of grievance regardless of the justness of your claim.

>>97886964
reminds me of Naomi in MW5C

>>97886859
Copper is from Valejo, purple is GW.

>>97886964
>Consistently bidding you or the unit you are part of away, especially if doing so is unnecessary or unreasonable.
>Being often assigned to the least intense task that he needs a star or point(you) to do.
That's actually doing me a favour.

>>97887030
You have a strictly limited amount of time to earn a bloodname before you're shuffled off to solahma. Every time he doesn't send you into the thick of things he's cutting away at your chance at recognition.

Remember, clanners have different values than us.

>>97886348
>gets behind cover
>can't shoot
Good job.

>>97887030
That's how you waste away in a solahma unit until you're 45 and then get MAID.

>>97887038
I start my own pirate clan, check mate.

>>97887030
Then you are a bad clanner.
The more combat you see, the worse your odds, the more glory you earn, that is what matters to clanners. It's not like clanners have anything else to look forward to even if they wanted for something other than death in combat as young as possible.

Great Turtle... IIC

>>97887074
>so hey, uhhhhhhhh... why did you even use this as the basis if you're going to give it half the armor and four times the speed?

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>>97887063
That’s even worse.
Dark caste are viewed with even more disdain than Solahma. Being a pirate specifically makes you something even less than a Spheroid in the eyes of a Clanner, less than a periphery.

So now you’re not only branded a coward for shying away from battle, now you’re a quitter, a loser, and worse yet “hostis humani generis” which the Clanners take particularly seriously.

Which actually means that being a pirate in clan space is an even worse fit for someone as “risk-avoidant” as yourself.

>>97887171
Doesn't track, for most of clan history spheroids were myth, the dark caste culture evolved without spheroids physically existing in clan life.

>>97887185
The clans consider their pirates to be unworthy of any courtesy or protection of the rules of warfare.
Clanners consider it possible to commit unjust cruelty against regular spheroids, dark caste are shown no mercy ever. A clan not treating the dark caste with unrelenting hostility is grounds for that clan's destruction.

>>97887207
Exactly.
As lowly as the Clanners view Speroids, they’re still considered “Human”

Pirates don’t even get that courtesy.

>>97887207
Nonetheless dark caste and their reputation evolved in a centuries long environment where SPHEROIDS WERENT A THING

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Does anyone have Jihad-era Random Assignment Tables?

>>97887323
This is pedantic and irrelevant to the point that being dark caste makes you the second worst thing in clan space in the view of clanners and kill on sight for almost all of them all of the time.

>>97887343
It destroys your whole "relative to spheroids" angle because that wasnt a factor in their reputation.

>>97887343
Wait, “second worst”?
What’s “worst”?

>>97887357
You can’t be this dense…

>>97887366
IRL jeets are considered worse than even zagarthians.

>>97887357
I didn't even make that point, you're just being a needlessly antagonistic pedant for the sake of it.
>>97887363
Being part of clan wolverine or even just being perceived as an affiliate of clan wolverine.

>>97887384
That which does not exist has no reputation.

>>97887117
>lighter than king crab
Lost.

>>97887171
>So now you’re not only branded a coward for shying away from battle,
You are projecting, premise was being neglected in combat assignments, being pirate is way more combat oriented.

>>97887388
It's a good thing spheroids exist and clanners know they exist then.

>>97887171
It always amuses me greatly that piracy is far more common and effective in Clan IS holdings because they lack the means of effectively countering them (a sensible dispersed military, mercs or private security).
Gotta love the Dark Caste though, imagine failing at Clan society and choosing to go with a boom instead of killing yourself or cleaning toilets for decades. Even in the worst societies, there's always someone.

>>97887388
I heard that they made this little cult inside comstar after returning to IS, something something about words or such.

>>97887394
> You are projecting, premise was being neglected in combat assignments, being pirate is way more combat oriented.
No, problem WAS being neglected. But pivoted to a new problem when you suggested that being neglected was a GOOD thing.

>>97887396
They don't know about wolverines beyond some vague notion of "an un-named clan"
The name is forbidden to speak or teach, the totem forbidden to be shown, so generations after the exile dont know wtf they are.

>>97887394
>jumping tarcomp (ER)pulseboat that effectively has as much armor as most king crabs and outranges most king crabs and jumps as fast as most king crabs can run
I'd say it wins most of the time.
>being pirate is way more combat oriented
Being a pirate is less combat oriented than being a clan warrior because now your duties and concerns extend beyond exclusively combat.

>>97887428
The ghost bears specifically went in harder against WoB than other clans during the jihad because they were fed misinfo that implied WoB was working with clan wolverine remnants.

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>>97885833
Chu-chu YEAH!

>>97886451
>>97887045
What about rear facing Machine Gun Knees?

>>97887456
Shitty writing
>name verboten
>symbol verboten
>centuries later everyone somehow knows the name and symbol?

>>97887494
They got that Remembrance thing, too

>>97887117
>lighter

Wonder how the WD and the Invading Clans had handled when they faced the IS mech named the Wolverine

>>97887093
You see, here at clan Hell's Horses, we couldn't let a quad design go to waste.

>>97887503
naming them is a capital offence too, good luck teaching about them in any capacity under that rule
They're either forgotten and unknown, or clanners use "you're a wolverine!" the way modern shitlibs use "you're a nazi!"
Pick one.

>>97887508
they just call them conjurers dont they?

>>97887494
You can be criticize it all you want but that's how it is, the clans also hated the wolverine(mech) hundreds of years later during the clan invasion just because it shared the name by accident.

>>97887357
Anon...

>>97887504
Some IIC mechs are lighter than their namesake ancestor, some are heavier, some weigh the same.

>>97887550
>you can be criticize
Ah, my bad, arguing with an idiot is idiocy.
Carry on.

>>97887567
And you lose.

>>97887508
>WD spheroid recruit: Why are we not salvaging that good Wolverine, sarge? You killed it with a clean headshot.

>>97887574
You can is win

>>97887567
You got me.
Everyone knows an argument is entirely invalidated by a minor grammatical error.

>>97887601
You are being the absurd

>>97887456
I think anon’s problem is that they are hyper-fixated on the concept of “lost knowledge” the idea that information can be lost over time. And yes, sometimes facts and details can be lost to the sands of time, but in his mind, this has been exaggerated to an unrealistic extreme, thinking humans are some kind of goldfish that will forget everything it has learned within a few weeks or something it not constantly reminded.

Which, of course, is absurd. IRL we have knowledge of people, their deeds, and even personal thoughts going back sometimes thousands of years. And with the advent of the printing press, tape recorder, digital data storage, cloud storage, our record keeping has only gotten better. And we’re talking about the distant future here, so record keeping would have gotten even better. Doubly so amongst the clans, who didn’t have their data storage centers bombed to kingdom come repeatedly.

>>97887633
>they are forbidden
>all record of them destroyed
>name them and die
But yes, remembering them under these conditions from 150 years before you were born in a society where living past 30 is shameful, how could I miss that obvious answer?
Battletech lore is shit writing, hold it up to logic and reason and it turns to ash
So either accept that and quit asking inane questions that disintegrate the lore under scrutiny, or tear the illogic apart like a pitbull with a baby.

>>97887418
Dude chill a bit or a lot in your case. I was entertaining the thought.
If I'm a clan mechwarrior that dosnt want to die before 30 and I'm actually happy with cozy assignments, being pirate who can choose which poorly defended outpost/city/colony/ship I attack is still OK way of doing things.
All you have to do as a dark caste is to avoid other clanners other than sharks/fox.

>>97887535
They were never "forgotten", they exist under permanent sanction. They're more a superstitious watchword than something meant to be eradicated from memory, because while the Clan name got scrubbed out, the "Not-Named Clan" every Clanner actively knows the deeds of and actively seeks out for destruction.

>>97887677
Even ignoring that this contradicts the written lore on the subject, mention of "wolverines" in comstar data would not trigger a response to censure the "not-named"
Data listing them as the "not-named" would be obvious falseflag bait because the wolverines dont know about those rules formed AFTER their exile

>>97887671
>and quit asking inane questions
Who was doing this?

>>97887715
Some asshole multiple times every fucking day.
The answers are always either
>if you look close it doesn't make sense.
or
>ask the author who has fiat on that, none of this is subject to logical cause and effect, it's just narrative.
Every time.
>"Hey guys what if Faction X did thing Y in place Z?"
See above two answers, every time.

>>97887740
You sound like a miserable asshole that intensely dislikes discussing battletech and I don't know why you're even here in the first place.

>>97887446
>I'd say it wins most of the time
I'd say that combat scenarios and dice say you a faggit.
Turtle is 100t and has 4 legs.

>>97887756
I like discussing the GAME not fuelling your fantasy alt-life because you have no real life.

>/btg/: autistic screeching

>>97887765
>I like discussing the GAME
Maybe you should do that instead of engaging in discussions you hate then?

>>97887765
Trying Too Hard.

>>97887774
Solving the problem is simple
/lit/fags take it to /lit/
Alpha strike fags make their own general
Clix fags make their own general
Levs fags make their own general
/vg/ fags take it to /vg/
now off-topic factions no longer fight

>>97887759
>I'd say that combat scenarios and dice say you a faggit
There are averages in dice rolls, scenario gameplay is also subject to those averages.
>Turtle is 100t and has 4 legs
IIC mechs are not always the same weight as the mechs they're inspired by.

>>97887793
Oh I forgot
Fag fags take it to /soc/

>>97887814
>>97887793
See >>97887782
Thanks

>>97887827
The WoB got all the cool shit.

>>97887765
>fuelling your fantasy alt-life because you have no real life.
Holy mother of projection.

>>97887674
Hey, not my fault that you missed the obvious solution to both problems.

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When Kal Radick founded the Steel Wolves and declared them a new Clan, did he and the rest of the "Clan" claim any Bloodnames?
Can't find anything on this after looking at some sourcebooks.

>>97887921
Radick, Conners and Fetladral are generic, Founding Bloodnames and a few Steel Wolf characters have those. I'd assume Kal would've used these for his wannabe clan and it's unlikely the Steel Wolves had their own.
Plus, Anastasia kinda did away with the idea of being a new clan so it's even less likely under her rule.

>>97887921
This assumes the other clans formally recognized it

>>97887961
It does not, but ok.

>>97887950
Fair enough, thanks anon. Just trying to work out what to call a Bloodnamed Steel Wolves character. I'll go with a Founding Bloodname then.

>>97887855
Rich coming from the guy who wonders about the toilet habits of manei domini

>>97887983
Ok buddy.

>>97887966
Well, if the other clans don’t recognize the new clan, then they won’t recognize any claims they make to any blood names. So besides maybe the blood names of its founders, it probably doesn’t have any. But like a Schrödinger’s clan, all blood names are probably going to be “available”, I mean what difference does it make to CJF if some “fake clan” wants to pretend to have claim to one or more of its rightful blood names?

>>97888043
I did not ask if any other Clans recognised them or whatever Bloodnames they may/may not have, but ok.

I need a name.
A name for a OC periphery state.
I have the concept down: the broad strokes being that a group from the Star League corps of Engineers were out on a mission to fully terraform a cluster of star systems to be humanity’s next big colonization expansion. But with the outbreak of the Amaris Civil War, the collapse of the Star League, and subsequent succession wars, well they got cut off and became the defacto feudal lords of a new periphery state. I mean, sure over the centuries they did eventually phase out all their industrial mechs in favor of proper battlemechs, but the high-visibility pageantry remains as a hallmark of their origins. (So just imagine a Warhammer in construction-worker-orange and caution stripes).

Just can’t think of what kind of name they’d give themselves.

>>97887038
>clanners have different values than us.
I don't accept that. I like clans (Nova Cats 4eva) therefore they share my values. That is how fandom works, anon.

>>97888148
>I like clans (Nova Cats 4eva)
Spirit Cats are kino.
Nova Cats are cringe.
Fight me.

>>97888141
The easiest option is (direction they went) League, i.e. Rimward League. Keeps the 'league' connection.
You should lean into their history, though. Who was on the mission? Are they try8ng to preserve the memory of Terra or build a new society?

>>97888155
I would IRL, but I'd probably lose. So, no.

>>97888141
>Clans but more OC Donuts
Yikes

>>97888141
They wouldn't exist, and cannot exist in the Battletech setting. Your OC is cringe and retarded. They don't need a name, you just need to either rewrite them to work within the setting or get out of the fandom because you don't actually play Battletech.

>>97888141
It sounds to me like you're trying to turn a mercenary command into a periphery state. There's nobody who is going to keep you from painting caution stripes on mechs and using militia/industrial mechs, but the idea of a multi-system state that is defined by hardhats is hard to swallow.

>>97888141
The (planet/group/area) Union/Syndicate. Construction and other blue collar workers form unions or if you're a fucking communist a syndicate. Focus on the construction aspect, make them a very hard nut to crack, but not because of lostech but because of good planning and a understanding that they aren't going to rule over humanity if they just put everything into their military and fight extra hard. They also have ALL of DOME's knowledge and have the ability to crank out water filters like we crank out disposable plastic shit.

>>97887633
Ah, good ol' Ea-nasir

>>97887633
And grudges are some of the oldest recorded information we have.

>>97888141
>>97888249
Van Zant.

>>97888272
SEE?!

>>97887895
Imagine finding a SLDF cache, and when you open it you find that the entire cache is full of SLDF Urbanmechs, only Utbanmechs

>>97888141
Technocratic Union

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>>97885669
Glorious 3m!

Big tooob!
Big gun!
>cute little ap laser.
Griffin supremacy!

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>>97886348
Nah. leg missiles.

>>97886625
Err, crusaders' leg six packs?

>>97886680
Fist Fire SPA.. You kick them and then fire. Putting the weapon dmg into the same place as the kick. For massive dmg.

>>97888372
I love Pal suits (rightmost squad). I think they look cool.

>>97887775
Name of this whiteish vehicle?

>>97888575
It's a Sekhmet Assault Vehicle. This one comes in the starter set and serves Wolf's Dragoons. I think it looks cool, much cooler than the other tank in the box, the Zibler.

>>97887827
>>97887846
Looks cool but most variants are slow and for some reason tontine have enough cooling.
Question: if mech have 2 ccw dose it use them both in attack?

>>97888611
Fuck me for 65t this thing have more umph than most assaults. Clan tanks are something else.

>>97888141
What you are describing is very close to the Niops Association?

>>97885806
Gathering data was done to shut the Crusaders up.

Only the Wardens bothered using the intel.

>>97888883
Are Star Adders a joke to you or something?

>>97888896
All stay at home clans are.
t.clanner fan

>>97888921
The Star Adders heavily used the intel provided by the Goons and were the only ones to form a battleplan to take on the Inner Sphere that might have been workable without relying on plot armor. Unfortunately they were forced to watch from the cuck chair.

>>97888921
Well that’s not true!

Smoke Jaguar and Nova Cat were Crusader clans and they were also total jokes.

>>97888277
>van zant
This reads more like Niops except instead of Star League Nerds it is instead blue collar workers. A society built on such a bedrock would value practical results and maintaining what they have, rather than "pie in the sky" thinking and aggressive expansion for the sake of romantic fantasy.

>>97888896
They literally decided to bid themselves out of the Invasion because they felt their chances of dominating the Homeworlds were better with the actual threats gone. They had no interest in going on crusade.

>>97888992
To be fair it is probably easier to say which Clans aren't complete jokes?
>>97889003
Yeah cause they actually studied what material they got from the IS and quickly came to the conclusion that the invasion plans were retarded?

>>97889021
> To be fair it is probably easier to say which Clans aren't complete jokes?
Only major problem with that is that list would be dominated by Clan Wolf (who fans generally hate), and Clan Wolverine (who the clans hate, so it makes Clan Wolverine fans look like hipsters).

There might be a few other, less prominent clans on the list, but it really would be a short list that risks pissing fans off because the clans on the list aren’t “likable” for some reason.

>>97889118
Clan Wolf are quite possibly the biggest jokes around. They do consistently the most retarded shit imaginable but suffer no consequences.

>>97889137
> Clan Wolf are quite possibly the biggest jokes around
What are you talking about? Just about every piece of Lore on them paints them as “the competent Clan”

>>97889021
>>97888992
>the fucking clans
Are one of the biggest jokes in writing. No group will EVER judge a outside group by their own rules, they will declare them "heretic/savage/terrorist" and treat them as such. The Clans should have pushed all the way to Terra, absolutely shredding any House force sent against them, to the point where the Draconis Combine virtually ceases to exist as a Great House, and the FedCom is pushed to the brink of it's military capabilities. The whole "oh yeah we used our enemies own cultural values against them" completely falls apart when history is viewed, when one side faces extinction, not defeat or subjugation; everything goes out the window in conduct.

>>97879742
>>97879788
08th MS Team and Votoms gotta be the big go-to "guerrilla/vietnam mechs" series
Dougram is about guerillas but that's not jungle-ly enough

>>97889021
>Yeah cause they actually studied what material they got from the IS and quickly came to the conclusion that the invasion plans were retarded?
If Tyra Miraborg hit the Dire Wolf a metre higher or lower the Invasion would have worked.

The Crusaders were right. The IS couldn't hold them back.

>>97889149
They have abandoned all of their holdings twice in ten years

>>97889184
reallistically, too few of the warriors to actually hold the oz and their logistics shit. it's pure asspull from the writers

>>97889223
What do you mean, you totally could have done the occupation of Iraq with fifteen attack helicopters and a battalion of mechanized infantry.

1. Clan forces entering the IS and declaring themselves the true Star League should have caused a mass defection event with One Star Faith and Former Star League Merc companies joining the Clans and shoring up their army.
2. There should have been an actual attempt by the Dragoons to teach the Spheroids Zell and prepare them properly for the Clans. Even if unsuccessful it would've given an explanation as to why the Clans thought the IS would know their rules.

>>97889303
Deifying the star league is on the downswing in 3025 and an extremely fringe position by 3050.

>>97889303
> would've given an explanation as to why the Clans thought the IS would know their rules.

“They’re arrogant as fuck biker gangs with delusions of glory” is explanation enough. Thank you very much!

Oh… since we’re on the subject of clans.

Under what circumstance would a clan ever field infantry other than elementals?

>>97889404

When they want a good excuse to let a bunch of Solahma warriors go out in a blaze of glory.

>>97889223
>asspull
That's if you judge Inner Sphere humanity from modern humanity, our humanity would make each world a Veitnam/Afghanistan/Iraq level quagmire in which mechanized forces so front in center in Battletech absolutely SUFFER against. However if the invading army goes full British during the Second Boer War or the Soviets during the Baltic subjugation they can hold the territory they gain, but the "hearts and minds" style occupation does not work. Japan and Germany were beaten to the point where genocide was the next step, not simply defeating their armies in the field and everyone goes home which is what has been the expectation for the past 50 years.

>>97889184
If we're being realistic, the Clans would have made Terra and spent the next fifty to a hundred years bleeding out slowly as each and every great house fought them on every world they tried to reclaim. If a Clan civil war did not follow, they would still have collapsed and retreated, and the vacuum they would have left behind would have been the largest succession war to date.

>>97889347
That's true, but as they say "seeing is believing" and if the formerly deified Star League were to show up in the flesh it would inspire something.
>>97889303
Also 3. have the clans turn Elysian Fields and other conquered deep periphery worlds into FOBs for clan logistics.

>>97889450
The clans are really, really obviously not the SLDF, and all of them except maybe the scorpions have forgotten too much to be able to pretend.

>>97889502
They're the direct descendants of the Star League in exile, no matter how crazy they've become or their inability to act right.
There would absolutely be defections or mercs signing on when it was fully revealed. This might lead to them seeing the realities of what the clans actually are and other pretty interesting plot threads but I don't see that as a downside or an impossibility story wise.

>>97889450
The clans don't act anything like the SLDF, their autistic compartmentalization and warrior first attitude is completely unlike the SLDF that everyone remembers. Kerensky himself would have treated the clans as some sort of freakshow periphery cult that needs to be liberated for their own good the first time he saw a warrior execute a laborer because begging for basic wound care they're not entitled to is chalcas.

>>97889573
The last actual star league official ever was Blake. There are other SLDF descendants that are held in much higher esteem than the theoretical exodus crowd because they didn't run off like a bunch of cowards. The few people who did actually think the clans were the second coming of Kerensky (and that that was a good thing) did get a big dose of reality pretty early on. Their behavior is just too hostile and alien.

>>97889585
And that may be, but this' the same setting where mercs freely decided to work alongside the Word of Blake despite their, how should we say, "proclivities." There are those that would totally join the warrior honor cult society
(That reminds me, The Society should've canonized the Genecaste too.)

>>97889625
The people who try to join get their families broken up and put into separate castes and are then deprived of all private property and most medical care. Trying to join the warrior caste if they didn't take you as a bondsman means going through a boot camp with a higher mortality rate than being in a non-infantry branch of most militaries and many clans refuse to allow it for anyone who wasn't born in their clan.
The idea that this is even remotely the star league was disabused very, very quickly.

>>97889585
do we know anything about sldf attitude, creed and stuffs by any chance?

>>97889585
It kinda doesn’t matter if they act like the SLDF or not. They ARE the SLDF-in-exile, which gives their claim legitimacy regardless of if they act the part or not. And we know mercs would flock to join the clans because some actually did. Heck, some worlds celebrated Clan occupation, if only because the clans actually brought peace and stability to the region, where the Houses couldn’t be bothered (like in the case of Butte Hold).

>>97889659
Well, we know some things about the Terran Hegemony values and beliefs, and the SLDF was basically the Terran Hegemony’s military with a fancier title. So it’s safe to assume that the SLDF’s core values and beliefs were the same as the TH’s values and beliefs.

>>97889664
There are better SLDF to cling to, like the many, many, many, many, MANY direct SLDF remnants already in the inner sphere, or the direct continuation of part of the star league government that is Comstar (formerly the Department of Communications lead by the only minister of the Star League to exist post-Amaris). The Exodus SLDF are considered by many to be cowards who left the inner sphere to get nuked.

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I just learned about the legionnaire, it is like Hunchback, but instead of firing really big bullet, it fires many bullet.

The Hunchback I was pretty indifferent towards, but for some reason, this puts a smile on my face.

>>97889680
>>97889638
>>97889585
So are you always a stick in the mud? Or do you actually have “fun” with this hobby now and again?

>>97889783

Fuck the clans, their claim to being the SLDF is bullshit after Aleksandr Kerensky died and they became faschist deepspace furry technobarbarians.

>>97889783
If you are personally offended by the idea that the Spheroids do not kiss the ground the Clan Invaders walked on as they were grinding their bodies, livelyhoods and institutions under their heels you have a strange definition of fun.

The culture shock of the Clan Invasion was legitimately astounding and the implications of these differences are still being worked out to current day in the ilClan Era. Even those who accept any legitimacy to claims of primacy from the SLDF are still having to accept and adapt a lot to Clan fuckery.

I mean, instead of One Star Faith and MechWarrior supremacists of the IS defecting to the clans we can always just XIN SHENG new clanners out of the either.
Worked well last time.

>>97889783
The clans are culturally incompatible with everyone else, including the star league and anyone who has even a modest understanding of what it was. Especially anyone with stars in their eyes who actually believe in the ideals of the league. Kerensky would have invaded clan space on humanitarian grounds.

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>>97889838
The clans actually slaughtered the One Star faithful and tried really hard to quash it out after it somehow got picked up by clan civilians. The SLDF-in-exile coming back to the inner sphere and staying there is directly counter to what One Star believes. To them, the SLDF should only come back to collect believers and then move on to the physical manifestation of divine paradise somewhere far far faaaaar beyond the furthest periphery.

>>97889783
BattleTech is more of a "No, stop!" rather than a "Yes, and!" type of roleplaying.
You'll get used to it after a while, sadly.
>>97889846
Cool battletroops setup, is that walker near the Avatar a security robot?

>>97889783
Star League died when they left the IS. Even Kerensky couldn't have prevented it when he tried to get people to leave. The Pentagon Wars proved this.

Nicholas only created a clan to generate power for himself and to put himself on a pedestal. Him pushing for attacking the Inner Sphere at a later date was just to tide the conflict within.

>>97889859
We're playing BLKOUT and it's a Peacemaker, not really worrying about how it doesn't fit the lore

>>97889859
If you're coming to the thread to look for people who will suck you off for your speculative head-canon that goes directly against literal decades of writing both in sourcebooks, rulebooks and novels, you're not looking at "No, stop!" you are looking at "Okay, retard."

We could be talking about the factions that actually fucking are Clan and Spheroid forces trying to work together and reconcile, but in order to do that you would have had to take the twenty fucking minutes necessary to google who the fuck those are instead of baring your ass and then wondering why nobody wants to play with you.

>>97889871
Ah I heard about that one. Any good?

>>97889865
The Clans, i need to lay off the drink when I get off work.

>97889894
>speculative head-canon
Von Strang's and Oberon Confederation prove me right, thougheverbeit. I'm not saying everyone would do it, just there would be those on the individual level that would.
there are other ways of fixing the clans' lack of manpower, sure. Like XIN SHENG or just making the homeworlds bigger, this' just my idea. Could also just get rid of the clans entirely, of course.

>>97889859
> You'll get used to it after a while, sadly.
No, no choose to reject that mindset. I mean, someone has to pushback against the setting becoming stale because some of the more autistic grogs don’t know what they want.

I mean you have a setting rich enough in lore and depth to both play into the old stories of chivalry, and knighthood, that romanticizes the feudal age. But also lampoon all the idiocy and failings of feudal society that made us irl abandon it in the first place.

And the fact the setting has very few 100% evil, or 100% pure factions means all perspectives to tell such stories should be valid.

Even the clans, who are the more villainous factions, they can (and should be allowed to) be portrayed just as much like these dangerous, seemingly unbeatable superhuman adversaries as they can be portrayed as cartoon villains that act like glue-eating morons with an unhealthy obsession with ancient Sparta. Or even portrayed, occasionally, as people, people with a strange culture and weird customs, and likely don’t even practice most of the things they espouse… I mean, tell me that you can’t see Clanners talking about how “shameful” the Solahma are for living past 30, while casually ignoring the obvious fact that their Kahn is likely in their 60’s or 70’s?

>>97889949
Nah, they’re both too entrenched to get rid of now. And also, adds variety to the setting.

Plus lots of people think clan mechs are cool.

>>97889951
Maybe you should trying reading the source material and not wiki articles.

>>97889966
Who care what you think?

>>97889585
>begging for basic wound care they're not entitled to is chalcas
What do slippers have to do with medical care?

>>97889957
As a Drac fan, I'll say this about the Clans: They are BattleTech's Zeon.
Most unique faction that, for >>>SOME<<< people, make the game.

>>97889854
Well, in that case, it sounds like Clan Wolverine won then.

Doesn’t it?

Assuming, of course, that the mysterious “Minnesota tribe” was actually Clan Wolverine returning to the IS to resupply before disappearing completely.

>>97889966
Wiki articles are the only canon that matters, because it's the only thing people are going to read. As far as I'm concerned, the novels and sourcebooks matter a lot less than Sarna does. No, I don't care what CGL """policy""" is. If enough people believe something, it's true. Perception matters a lot more than facts.

>>97889949
You don't need to do weird dodge quotes, your (you)s mean nothing to me.

They are exceptions that prove the rule and not even; trading a local despot for a strange animal-themed invader was not a willing or eager choice of the inhabitants of either of these spaces. The fact individual planets or systems may have been better off in the occupation had more to do with being shitholes before the Clans Invaded rather than some qualitative improvement from Clan administration and certainly wasn't from some miraculous 'hail the heroes returning alive' sentiment for the SLDF Exodus.

>>97889951
You aren't special for getting the series of events wrong. There are plenty of spaces to write stories of relative morality and the grey margins of human experience without pretending established art doesn't exist. I know of literally no examples of people rolling out the welcome mat for Operation REVIVAL other than Comstar being backstabbing bastards. As it happens, most people didn't think they needed to leave the porch-light on for Kerensky's lads, much less wanting to.

Also Solahma are not as they are because it is shameful to be old, they are shameful because they have not achieved honor in their age. They are thrown at the most risky and dangerous missions because at least in dying fighting honorably the demonstrate their most selfless and exceptional devotion to the Clan ways before they are too venerable to do so.

>>97890002
> There are plenty of spaces to write stories of relative morality and the grey margins of human experience
If that was your takeaway, then you obviously don’t get it

>The Clans are too alien to be comprehended
>Look inside
>Military junta with a Caste system
Good thing we're not like those guys..
T. dispossessed

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>>97889988
>the Clans are Zeon
Does that make the Word of Blake Battletech's Titans?

>>97890055
You're right, I obviously don't get what your weird fucking hangup is. If you'd like to have a proper discussion maybe you could first try to articulate better your point instead of vaguely crying about being misunderstood and then being twice as fucking down when people don't give you a consolatory hand-job.

>>97890061
Always felt RotS was the Titans but thinking about it, you're right on the money.

>>97890002
>You don't need to do weird dodge quotes, your (you)s mean nothing to me.
This the funniest shit, redditors actually think (You)'s are the 4chan equivalent of updoots and think they're owning someone by not linking their post.

>>97890087
Who's Axis Zeon then in this case?

>>97890097
Clan Protectorate

97890091
And yet it makes s certain kind of poster very mad. Curious!

>>97890137
The only thing more annoying than a retarded tourist is one that thinks he's being terribly clever.

Quote someone if you're responding to something they've said; don't quote them if you want to talk about something else. Use the funny meme arrows to reference what they've said or quote it incorrectly for a laugh, I'm not your fucking dad you shouldn't need me to tell you how to swing a bat.

>>97889994
If the Inner Sphere branch of One Star knew anything significant about clan Wolverine, they probably would think that those are the guys. Their entire belief is that the SLDF went and found the most paradise world of all time and are now guarding it for the TRVE BELIEVERS to follow. Wolverine having fucked off to places not yet known to the rest of the universe falls perfectly in line with that. The clan branch wouldn't dare follow that logic though. Either way, most of the clans would actually go genocide the entire religion if it developed that way.

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>>97889757
Well, I think we can all agree that somewhere in the IS, there is a custom Legionnaire variant known only as “Sasha”

>>97889678
Interesting. Where can I read about it? What sourcebook?

>>97889846
UNSC?

>>97890061
Mafty IMO

>>97889909
It's a solid near future sci fi skirmish game. 2 damage last weapons seem crazy good, but the way listbuilding works it's impossible to spam them. It's very high lethality.

In terms of using it to simulate Battletech, it's heavy on androids which Battletech obviously doesn't have, and it has no equivalent to the near-invincibility to basic infantry guns that battle armor have.

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>>97890290
Yeah, we're using Halo Flashpoint terrain because the guy who organized the game already has it.

Flashpoint is decently fun and captures the Halo feel well but is nothing to write home about.

>>97890299
Does Mafty drop a colony or do any other kind of mass murder? I don't remember what happened in Flash and I haven't seen the new one, I mostly just know about the manga ending from /m/

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>>97890275
It costs 400,000 c-bills to fire this gun... for 10 seconds.

>>97890303
>In terms of using it to simulate Battletech, it's heavy on androids which Battletech obviously doesn't have
I guess we'd just have to fight with WoB only Automata then

>>97890310
Wait, the terrains are in colored cardboard? Damn I want those

>>97889223
Ah yes. I love it when "realism" applies only to the Clans.

>>97889404
Desperation (Blood Spirits), tradition (Steel Vipers/Hell's Horses) or suicide squads (Jade Falcons).

There's also the paramilitary caste that gets glossed over.

>97890148
You seem to have forgotten that by not quoting shitposters you deprive them of the dopamine from (you)'s that they're fishing for.

>>97888331
The 4N and 5L are better

>>97890533
Only a self-obsessed retard will justify shitting where they eat on the grounds that they won't be the only ones eating shit.

If you aren't going to even try to make the thread better you'd do us all a favor finding yourself somewhere else to be.

What are the Nagelring/NAIS/Sun Zhang equivalent war college in FWL and CapCon?

>97890584
>continues to shit up the thread
>StOp ShIiTiNg Up ThE tHrEaD rEtArD

Pathetic.

>>97890625
Allison Mechwarrior Institute and Sian University, respectively.

>>97890543
neither of those are griffins. vile heresy.

next you'll be telling us swaybacks are hunchback orthodoxy.

Hang all tex fans

>>97890752
>you are never allowed to like anything or have any fun ever.

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I improvised a random assignment table whilst working on a Mechwarrior campaign thing, the premise is my players are Periphery kids in approx. 3015 and thus have to make do with old 'Mechs. I'm relatively new to BattleTech so I might have picked some unsuitable variants.

>>97890743
4G is Orthodox, Swaybacks are Catholic, Quasimodos are

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>>97890752
As much as I loathe his constant Taurian/Black Watch/Hazen glazing, fuck you

>>97890820
Incessantly repeating unfunny jokes might be fun for you but it isn't for me, the most important person in the world.
Do a better job of entertaining me.

>>97890832
>JagerMech
Ugh, Blake forbid that accursed roll

>>97890844
swaybacks are satanic, just like "catholicism."

>>97890920
>>>/lgbt/ 4 u

>>97890832
YUCK. at least play in a good era so your jaegermech can be JM7-DD

>>97890909
JM7-DD laughs at you.

>>97890832
Biggest thing that stand out to me is the Grasshopper being so common and the Archer being so rare. It's also odd for the phoenix hawk to not be on the medium list.

>>97890832
>EMP-6A
The soul who is lucky enough to roll that will become death incarnate in 3015 even after it expends its LBX ammo. I'd move the Thug to that slot and replace the Thugs position with something like a Longbow. Thug 10E is a God tier roll as its one of the best if not the best assaults available in introtech.

>VL-5S
3050 design. Did you mean to give them a 5T?

>MLB-1B
3053 design albeit nothing on it that you can't make in 3015. If you want to stick to 3015 make it a 1A

>CLN-7V
3056 design though similar to Merlin, you can build that in 3015. I would probably suggest replacing it with a Phoenix Hawk though.

>GLT-5M
3049 design. I'd personally replace this with a Marauder as the introtech versions are very similar to a Grasshopper anyway.

Overall not a bad list. I'd say its very generous on some rolls with just enough chance to get something that wouldn't be seen as a blessing.

>>97890832
Forgot to mention the Assassin is 40 tons and the Battlemaster is 85 tons. If it was up to me I would probably suggest replacing the Vindicator with a Griffin and perhaps replace one of the Trebs with a Dervish or Whitworth?

>>97890909
JM6-DDa became great after the AP ammo buff. 911BV Crit machine? Yes please

>97890584
These threads aren't supposed to BE better. We're here to make the community worse. The more people I can get to quit posting here and quit battletech completely the more fun I have.

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>>97890957
Yeah, I'm very much not used to MechWarrior nor did I really think about how 2d6 work to let you have the most common 'Mechs in the middle, meaning you can simulate rarity in that way as well.

>>97890978
The whole variants bit is just because I was partially going after AToW's tables and trying to modify them to fit 3015's Periphery whilst leaving some room for a player investing the XP into having their ancestral 'Mech be something really good if they invested and got lucky. I thought an Emperor would be that but yeah, it having LBX's is probably too much (I've never played the actual tabletop, I'm a secondary but trying to get past it).

>>97890990
>Whitworth
I wouldn't go that far, but a Dervish sounds like a good idea.

Thanks tremendously for the help and advice.

>>97888372
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>>97887775
Pure Kino

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>>97891087
To give you a better idea of how 2d6 probabilities might pan out have pic related. At the end of the day though assignment is really all about what you want to be available and want to see. I'm personally a bit of a dick and would tend to put all the shittier designs in the middle regardless of supposed rarity but that's just me.

Do not worry too much about being a secondary. Wager these days anyone under 50 likely got into TT via the video games. There's plenty of resources in the OP. Just keep in mind if you do play TT that some designs you may think of as shit can be a lot stronger than you initially thought.

Would not knock the Whitworth by the way. That thing generally tends to put a good showing in whenever it appears but I would agree to keep it out especially if you got a Dervish already otherwise you run the risk of having a bunch of samey mechs.

If you want to go full autist mode there is this unofficial RAT that is kind of handy for getting some ideas if you are ever stuck.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zdswz4c2avek6oing7pyk/3028-3057-Random-Assignment-Rarity-Tables-10.64.pdf?rlkey=s8ywj7tonnw87cgn1n2n7bf0b&e=2&dl=0

Firestarter is 35 tons btw

>>97891254
Oh I know, it's just that I fear that if someone gets a Whitworth I'll have a unabomber in my playergroup.

>>97891258
Not because it's bad, mind you - but because it's the ugliest thing outside of an Essex nightclub. I've got enough murder to worry about when I've said I'd include the Bull Shark cos I think it's cool.

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>>97891269
How dare they! Whitworth a cute!
Ugliest thing outside of an Essex nightclub you say? I'll need to come back to you with a few suggestions

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>>97891299
>>97891299
Why does it look like it’s wearing an SW imperial helmet?

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>>97891594
Because its hunting rebel scum, duh?

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The Whitworth isn't ugly, they just really just need to dress up a bit.

The last time a fielded a Whitworth on the table, I emptied the RT ammo bin through firing, only for the LT bin to get a TAC.

>>97892002
The last time I fielded one, it won a 1v1 LRM duel against a Trebuchet.

>>97890752
>>97890866
Yeah, I've personally disagreed with him on Colonial Marines, but dude is doing at least as much for the Hobby as the Cinci Group.

>>97891258
I think the Whitworth is kinda cool actually outside of all the warcrimes. The SRM version is fragile at its range but it is still coming in and splatting with 2 6s and its mediums, making for a respectable (if ill advised for heat) alpha.

>>97891809

>"I say Sir Whitworth, you're looking quite dashing this evening?"
>"Why thank you Viscount Enfield, I recently had a new top-hat fitted from Messr's Clint, Howler & Howler."
>"Capital! I say!"

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>>97886422
Karl Streiger Flamberge and Wolk´s birds and bugs. Verry verry naisu.

>Hot Spots: Draconis Reach: 05/30
>Battlefield Support Abominations (Hulks, Giants. Titans): 07/01
>Starter box, Core box and Core rulebook: 08/05 (GenCon)
>House Steiner Squadron Aerospace forcepack: 08/15
>Force Manual: Marik 08/15
Wut

>>97892394
>Force Manual: Marik
Man, they're so delayed that even their April fools fake announcements are delayed.

>>97890934
White washed tombs, loser Pharisee.

Some of the clan totem animals are really fucking lame and I don't know why anyone would ever think a slightly better terran mongoose or wolf would be a good animal to base a clan on.

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Kino

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>>97892188
> disagreed with him on Colonial Marines
Wait, Colonial Marines?
Why the fuck didn’t they deploy the mechs when they went to investigate Hadley’s Hope!?

… I think I need some coffee…

>>97892536
I mean we're talking the Space Station 13 version.
Tex and the gang are all still really attached to CM13, while I prefer the interface updates brought with Rouny's SS14 version.

>>97892454
Would love to drop a few Lances of RotS Battle Armour, Ares and Poseidons onto the Clan Homeworlds and see the Homers shit themselves lol

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Death (from above!) to Fedrats!

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The Union looks... different?

>>97892569
Unless the homeworld clans have pulled a succession wars and nuked their techbase they might not be overly impressed by the republic mechs that barely have half clantech for their weapon loadouts.

>>97892653
The way the wars of reaving were going there's a distinct possibility they no longer have factories of any kind.

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>>97892623
Purge fat wolverines(beemers) that ape and pretend to be fat griffins.

Griffin supremacy!

On paper, the light gauss rifle kinda looks like a doo doo gun, especially in environments that contain regular and heavy gauss rifles. I'm considering getting a few, but this campaign is a pretty competitive environment.

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>>97892911

The LGR has 3 functional uses, none of which are good in a standard BV-optimized lance-scale engagement.

First, in combination with c3/c3i to produce reasonable hit rates at extremely long range. C3 doesn't play well with BV, so the LGR is sub-optimal.

Next, in a large scale game, you can have multiple fast Mechs using long range LGR fire and the guns deep ammo bins to isolate and "wolfpack" a single target which can't effectively respond. For example, a lance of Shadow Hawk 7Ms. However, this really only works in battalion-scale or larger games, played over a long period of time (20+ turns), and since nobody does this sort of game IRL anymore, the LGR is sub-optimal.

Finally, the LGR is surprisingly good on aerospace units, because an 8-point hit at extreme range can threshold the majority of ASF locations. Nothing else the Inner Sphere has readily available hits as hard at the extreme range bracket. But, since nobody plays aerospace, no one cares, and so the LGR is sub-optimal.

The problem isn't really the gun. The problem is the player base refusing to engage with any of the use cases in which the LGR has a viable role. Stop playing small lance-scale games that are over in the 2.5 hours you have available once a week between getting off from work and going to bed, fix your damn lives to find more free time for gaming, and put in the legwork to play a different game style, and the LGR is just fine in its niche.

>>97892640
No way any of this is real, FM Steiner isn't even finished yet, there's definitely no progress on FM Marik

>>97892951
Yeah, right now I'm in a campaign with Company-ish sized games and all my fluffy light and medium mechs are getting downed by gunnery near 0 gauss rifles, cERPPCs, and massed RAC/5s as soon as they run or jump out of hard cover.

>>97892951
I am not doing all of that just so one gun can have some time in the spotlight. You can keep your LGR and I will go to bed on time.

>>97892640
>have to wait until august for the new core box
fuck

>>97892951
Had a friend of mine ripped out the AC/10s out of an annihilator and replaced em all with LGR, while he sacrificed 8 damage the ability to engage at longer distances made him hit more often then he would have with those AC/10s.

>>97892951
Fuck off you aren't allowed to tell people that they're playing the game wrong. We have jobs and no time and we'll play BT how we want and it's the responsibility of CGL to give us units that are useful in the time we have available to play. Either CGL changes to accomodate us or CGL and BT die.

>>97892951
So what you're telling me is that I should be running like 20 3/4 Mercury Elite Hermes II in my next match.

>>97893041
>Either CGL changes to accomodate us or CGL and BT die.
Incorrect, the licensee of the Battletech IP does not affect the game's survival if they die, if that were true Battletech would have ceased to exist multiple times decades ago.

>>97892951
Reasonable hit rates at extreme range aren't as useful as reasonable hit rates at medium range while helping to absorb some of the damage. I think the entire game concept of C3 should have literally no BV cost beyond the installed equipment.

>>97892951
2.5 hours for a game is way too long, faggot. A game that can't be fought to a good conclusion in 90 minutes needs to be redesigned or retired. Nobody has time to waste on games after work. Kill yourself.

>>97892951
Are those magnets holding the maps?

Also, sadly most people have no time for company and/or battalion size games. Between work, family other hobbies and even other games, expending 12 hours in a game is way too much for some.

>>97892976
While I too heard Rem saying 'Marik,' I'm pretty certain that it's Steiner mislabed in jer Excel sheet

>>97893097
Your bait is getting worse all the time. Even you're getting tired of it, which is saying something.

>>97893204
There's just no way they went from "eh, we might not even do a Marik one because our consoooomers have the worst tastes in the world and only buy Davion and hecking wholesome chungus clan stuff" to "by the way, the Marik book is coming out this year" that quickly. No fucking way. I'd expect every other great house, crusader clans, warden clans, Canopus, Taurus, another mercenary book, Star League 1, 2, and 3, RotS, and then maybe a Marik epub that's just a direct rehash of older Marik materials but they let it sit on the layout guy's desk for three years because they can't pay him using human money.

>>97893218
They should go clockwork through the IS and give us FM Capellan Confederacy next.

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“Star captain I am picking up cringe on my mechs sensors”

>>97893243
Is this from an official publication or is it from the pride fanzine?

>>97893243
Imma be devil's advocate and say that clanners have little need for the concept of gender/sex. They're not even supposed to breed the normal way, so they shouldn't really care.
Treuborn, anyway, freebiths might actually care.

>>97893256
True. The Battletech universe ignores the biological differences between males and females anyway so why draw the line at troonology?

>>97893278
I know you're baiting, but clanners actually do. To qualify as a warrior you have to be a bit of a genetic freak anyways, so the genetic differences between the sexes are less relevant when you're dealing with a gene tailored product of eugenics.
Again, freebirths may not apply, but the lower classes always attempt to emulate the upper classes.

>>97893282
> so the genetic differences between the sexes are less relevant when you're dealing with a gene tailored product of eugenics.

Yes, because when your baseline mech pilot has been genetically engineered from the ground up to be faster, stronger, smarter (allegedly), with greater endurance and higher resilience than anything natural selection could have ever produced in humanity. What kind of “plumbing” the individual has is largely irrelevant.

>>97893282
A lot of BT fiction writers pushing this are falling into the same trap as Clan sexwork: If you try to push inclusive pandering to your work incautiously you will create scenarios based on prior art that are deeply and horrifically abominable to champion.

Sex-work in the clans, for example, means a subcategory of state-sponsored whores that are required to do their work under pain of punishment or expulsion, granted the minimum necessary medical care and support needed to achieve the societally optimal sex supply and, likely but not confirmed, an internal culture best described as "competitive ranked sex".

Gender neutral or androgynous Clanners, especially warriors mean that they were engineered and assigned these traits by the Science caste cooking them up in a test tube; running headlong into both hot button social issues of 'gender/sex being decided by genetics' AND 'assigned sex at birth' by being definitively decided by dudes in, I dunno what the scientist caste wears, labcoats with fur trim or some shit.

Same thing happens with the one Clan lady in that recent book that got a hecking racism done to her: How? They literally cooked her up in a bottle to be that way and their entire culture knows that. If her genetics and lineage were inferior they wouldn't have used those genetics; the Clans are a rampant and horrifying military junta and politically-poisoned meritocratic nightmare. Clanners have more important reasons to hate each other, namely, said horrifying political poison where they're all like a several million man and woman strong fraternity/sorority going to the college of getting in fights, hypocrisy and killing people.

>>97893282
A lot of BT fiction writers pushing this are falling into the same trap as Clan sexwork: If you try to push inclusive pandering to your work incautiously you will create scenarios based on prior art that are deeply and horrifically abominable to champion.

Sex-work in the clans, for example, means a subcategory of state-sponsored whores that are required to do their work under pain of punishment or expulsion, granted the minimum necessary medical care and support needed to achieve the societally optimal sex supply and, likely but not confirmed, an internal culture best described as "competitive ranked sex".

Gender neutral or androgynous Clanners, especially warriors mean that they were engineered and assigned these traits by the Science caste cooking them up in a test tube; running headlong into both hot button social issues of 'gender/sex being decided by genetics' AND 'assigned sex at birth' by being definitively decided by dudes in, I dunno what the scientist caste wears, labcoats with fur trim or some shit.

Same thing happens with the one Clan lady in that recent book that got a hecking racism done to her: How? They literally cooked her up in a bottle to be that way and their entire culture knows that. If her genetics and lineage were inferior they wouldn't have used those genetics; the Clans are a rampant and horrifying military junta and politically-poisoned meritocratic nightmare. Clanners have more important reasons to hate each other, namely, said horrifying political poison where they're all like a several million man and woman strong fraternity/sorority going to the college of getting in fights, hypocrisy and killing people.