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>>98148502
I like grots

>>98148502
i would do nothing eldar are fine as they are, without exodites and just two flavors of space elfs, good and bad. period.

Will ork gun lines survive 11th? I feel like they will be stuck at 6+ for the majority of games now.

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>>98148502
>TQ
A true beleiver but missguided puppet of the Great Deceiver who wants the Eldar souls for himself

>>98148502
tq: i would personally make her pregnant.
Unless you meant in the game, in which case reveal guilliman is actually dead, alpharius took his place, unleash a renegade marine/eldar outcast army. give them some new detachments around combos, call it a day

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Is the screamer killer actually a good unit?

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I don't think they deserve the hate they got

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James has charged you personally to expand the lore of the nids as they did with the necrons, elaborating upon motivations and previously unknown aspects of them. How do you go about it without fucking it up?

>>98148547
I would listen to them.

>TQ
I wouldn't, Eldar and Dark Eldar are better as different factions with distinct aesthetics and vibes.
Blending them together sucks, both lose more than they gain by doing that.

>>98148502
>tq
Make her rules and faction STUPIDLY OVERPOWERED to get waacfag money.
Then with the sales tricking the executives they’ll demand more stories and their faction being carefully fleshed out some more. Maybe even handled by an author who actually cares and likes them.

I like orks :D
>>98148502
>TQ
have her realize the imperium is unreliable as an ally, and instead she must ally with orks to further the aeldari.

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>>98148502
Make a handful of units unique to the Ynnari that are obviously death cultists. And I mean full on meme Kriegers wanting to die for their cult. Maybe with a rule like the old Flagellants from Fantasy where they sacrifice D3 of their unit at the start of the Combat Phase for different buffs like rerolling hits or +1 to wound or some shit. Or have them all have the "when a model in this unit is killed, if it hasn't fought, roll a die and on a 4+ it gets to fight before being removed."
But something to emphasize how much Yvraine and her ilk want to kill Eldar to really contrast the Craftworlder's aversion to letting any one of their number die.

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>>98148547
>expand the lore of the nids, elaborating upon motivations and previously unknown aspects
>without fucking it up
You can't. Any exploration would make them more known which makes them less alien which ruins the idea of them being truly Lovecraftian bio-organic technological extra-galatic invaders.
They come, they consume ALL. One world they captured wasn't devoured but instead has biomass delivered to it en mass. Growing a mystery meat planet thats super psyonic is great. Having actual concrete motivations beyond 'eat everything' is bad

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>>98148502
>TQ
Get rid of ynnari. Make ynnead just a new god in the pantheon of the eldar. Craftworlds and dark eldar each get a subfaction dedicated to him with special rules but with the normal codex units. Maybe farseers and archons get some alternative powers. Turn the ycarne into a generic avatar of ynnead.

Yvraine is moved into the dark eldar codex as the leader of that subfaction and high priestess of ynnead in commorragh. The visarch is moved into the craftworld codex as the leader of the subfaction.

>>98148547
That kinda goes against their point.

>>98148547
I dont know send a tendril through the ghoul stars.

>>98148547
how does this nidda squeeze through elevator shafts and shit with all that massive armor on it? The idea of giant stealth unit silently creeping around like shelob is amazing but this thing should have looked like a translucent armorless creepy lictor or something that squeezes in through small openings like an octopus during its infiltrations, would have been so good.

>>98148547
You'd have to imply how intelligent and distinct the hive minds are, without giving up the mystery by doing a played out, banal hive mind PoV.
Maybe a story with two different hive fleets in the same part of the galaxy seemingly working at cross purposes, then they have an inter-hive conflict/civil war for some reason, then a 'conference' of hive ships that work out a ceasefire and detente before the fleets part ways.
All of that would be shown through an imperial PoV trying to work out what the bugs are doing, without explicitly showing or stating it. Just implying they have deep plans and intelligence and are rational actors at the hive mind level, while preserving mystery and room for interpretation.

>>98148502
>How would you fix Yvraine and her faction?
Kill them off to empower Slaanesh into relevance. The Yncarne is actually just N'kari in disguise, and he eats Yvraine and slaughters the rest of the Ynnari in a lore blurb.

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In retrospect was kryptmann right in his actions? Did it actually help the imperium in terms of stalling the inevitable?

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Hello do you have a moment to talk about your Lord and Savior Tzeentch?

I spent a long time trying to figure out why anyone, especially folks as supposedly super smart as the Thousand Sons, would willingly serve a guy who lies about everything, actively prevents you from accomplishing your goals because he feeds off your struggle, and might just wake up and decide to turn you into a tzaangor one day just for shits and giggles.

Then I realized, this stigma Tzeentch has about constantly screwing over his own followers probably isn't even real. Just some Nurglian propganda I bet.

He's in conflict with the other 3 gods, he needs servants that enact his will so he can increase his power and diminish theirs, he's not just gonna fuck over a good servant for laughs like some cosmic version of the Joker. Just do what he says and he'll grant you magic powers, and much better powers than the other gods grant all things considered. It's actually a pretty good deal.

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>>98148622
Fuck off, Nerd.

>>98148608
See thats a fun idea but then it gives a hard confirmation that each hive fleet has its own hivemind and confirms there isn't a giant singular will deciding two of its fingers need to fight to see whose stronger.
Nids do not neogiate with themselves. At best I can see two hivefleets fighting, then like Vashtorrs Wyrmwood teleporting deamon world appears in system and the very second it does all the fighting stops, swings stop midair, every nid planet looks in its direction simultaneously and then unite like they're the same hivelfeet to attack it.

>>98148622
Fuck tzeentch.

t. ahriman

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>>98148622
>>98148629
*Farts*

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If you were in charge of making the Cults more popular how would you do it, anons?

>>98148637
To be fair the assignment was to expand on their lore and motivations in an interesting way, not just show them doing what they always have done.

>>98148654
Put them all on one planet with all the gay Lego dwarves and virus bomb it

>>98148649
Who drew the literal God of Pestilence and Disease as some sort of cute and kind Furby like character? Come on...

>>98148654
fertility goddess sexpot character that in-game acts as broodmother kinda thing that aids resurrection

>>98148657
Sure, I just think you can't really expand upon them behaviourly that doesn't dimish what they're meant to be

>>98148654
>more popular
Glad you didn’t specify in what warhammer community “subsection.”
I would make them hilariously OP for waacfag tournament popularity.
Like one regular cannon fodder unit can one shot a primarch tier overpowered.
Making the votann on release look underpowered kind of overpowered.

>>98148629
I always felt like GW got the chaos alignments wrong.

Khorne and Tzeentch should be opposing forces, because one's like an honorable physical guy and the other's a sneaky mental guy

And Slaanesh and Nurgle should be opposing forces, because Slaanesh=sex=life and Nurgle=death, and also because one is pretty and the other is ugly.

>>98148608
>>98148577

>mystery meat planet
that's cool
>conference
that's also cool

If they wanted to expand it, then just adding more stuff of what they've already done is basically it then? Wouldn't hinting at having a bigger goal where the devouring is only a means to an end without confirming it be one way to do it? I also wonder if there's more to mine with the whole librarians peering into the hive mind and seeing that there's intent and hatred thing and if you could go somewhere there without it being bad? To preserve the singular arch hivemind like this anon is onto>>9814863, perhaps different aspects of the same overarching singular hive mind that are warring with each other which is what's reflected in the different fleets, almost a bit schizophrenic, like maybe the hive mind is sending out the different fleets in different direction of the galaxy and they are now coming back from different directions with different 'data' and these conferences as you called them are like the crucible for some dialectic shit where the hivemind is adding to itself in some way.

>>98148616
an underrated benefit to kryptmann’s scheme was the fact the orks are still alive fighting the tyranids which shows they’re almost as, if not equally dangerous as the hive fleet, so if the imperium bit the bullet and fought off the hive fleet, they would still have to contend with an ork waaagh soon after.

>>98148654
Lean more heavily into them being civilians. Have mobs of random cultists in street clothes. Have normal civilian ground cars mad maxed to fight. Lean into them being the oppressed proletariat rising up against their bourgeoisie masters.

>>98148673
I always thought this was the case and I will keep that headcanon, how the fuck do they get this wrong, khorne being into carnage is so obviously slaanesh excess adjacent, I don't think they even follow that alignment themselves these days because ive never heard of it

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>>98148692
The galaxy only needs one revolution, and it does not share power

>>98148692
To add to this, they're always showing them as miners using mining gear. Where are the farmers turning their industrial agg equipment against their masters?
Where are the basic simple construction workers? The shat-on burger flippers? Hell, even unappreciated white collar office drones.

>>98148502
>TQ
Keep the ability to use Craftworlders/Deldar in Ynnari lists, but focus the 'main' models on Corsairs and Exodites.
Allow Ynnari-specific lists to take some Imperial units as allied and vise-versa.

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>>98148576

>>98148683
The conference thing was more of an example. I think the key is to imply they're doing things that only a reasoning intelligence would do, without actually explicitly describing that happening. No hive mind PoVs beyond a very brief flash or something. So it can't be too complicated, because then it's difficult to imply through observation.

>>98148654
Multipart plastic kits with high modularity and a lot of bits to make a variety of cultists and uprsiings, both as infantry units and an array of STC civillian transports.
Give them something like that GSC autowonds weapon and otherwise appeal to WAACfags for a bit.
Give free armies to influences as stated in the SOP.

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>>98148547
You rip off end of evangelion's plot and have some cadia-tier epic plot with a gsc controlling the entire guard of the sector and spess mahreens are desperately trying to break into gsc hq but fail and they bring about planetary one consciousness bio soup and everyone is left wondering if they really turned into that and the hive mind had some understanding of humanity's plight to not be alone and so granted their wish or if everyone really just died, because of the shadow of the warp you can't know if the soup is psychically charged and so likely to have some funky consciosness to it so it's left open.

>>98148616
I never even got the argument for how he is wrong or should have been stopped. If the threat is as grave as they claim, isn't what he did rather mild? Okay he fucked up on the ork thing, but wasn't that valuable data? everyone acts as if it was obvious it would never work

>>98148654
They're extremist partisan jihadi guerrilleros. What more do you need them to be?

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This is probably a retarded and open-ended question but how do I fucking listbuild?
I want to play Craftworlders because I like a lot of the models in the range. My favorites are Rangers and all the mounted units, so that's my starting point. But after that I dunno.
The intent is not to go full tourneyfag, but still not to eat shit, as my LGS is like 80% warhammer and there are a lot of experienced players.
Is there just a golden ratio of weapons that are good v. Tanks, Marines, Guard, and Terminators?

>>98148673
>>98148698

It is because Tzeentch is change and Nurgle is stagnation so they're the strongest set of opposites. Khorne and Slaanesh are just paired because the other two are already paired off.

>>98148608
The only change I'd make is that instead of a conference and ceasefire it turns out the in-fighting leads to some nefarious end goal, like the carnage summoned chaos that they promptly devour or that it emboldened Imperials to plunge forward and try to take advantage of the infighting, only to realize that the fighting was a feint and hiveships are now flanking and surrounding imperial positions

>>98148668

I mean, that was also true of the oldcron/newcron transition. Sometimes you gotta break a few lore eggs to make a lore omelet. In this case, making Your Bugs.

>>98148673
>>98148698
>>98148786
Isn't the whole point of Slaanesh vs Khorne that they hate each other BECAUSE they're so similar? Too much overlap means easy poaching of followers + khorne is uncomfortable with being so similar to the foppish femboy god.

>>98148789
But we already have Your Bugs, it's called Hive Fleets

>>98148502
I like orks :D

>>98148654
Their buffy the vampire wrinkled foreheads just don't look appealing, man. Just temu nids made from a flimsy concept. Should just be a chestburster spore mine unit in the tyranid army and call it quits.

>>98148813
what are you working on?

>>98148502
>How would you fix Yvraine and her faction?
Corsairs, Harlequins and Ynnari share the same trait which is being awkwardly between dark eldar and craftworlders. They should be in their own Heirs of the Old Ones codex, with the same traveling players/ynnari rules, with an exodite kill team as well. This way the awkward factions each get 2-3 detachments of their own, while the Craftworld book can focus on the craftworlder playstyles like spooky ghost craftworld buffing ghost legion, biel tan lynching humans, altansar buffing ragnars. Throw in plastic spirit whatevers and mymeara, and the slicing orbs aspect shrine and you have a more cohesive book for both.

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>>98148803
I wish the chaos gods weren't so overt and poorly thought out, just becomes sunday cartoon goofy shit instead of scary. Muh heckin Nurgle! Just look at him appearing in the warp in that otherwise excellent chosen tone for the latest emps trailer. Just sucks.

>>98148543
they failed because they're halfassed. If you're going in a new direction with Tsons then give them Tzaanbots, a robot lord choice who is programmed to follow the Tson's orders or whatever and then a big one so the Tsons have a centerpiece besides magnus. Death guard have their big tank and world eaters have the lod of skulls (shared with csm) but Tsons are the oldest army (not so fast, EC) to limp along with a half thought out half fleshed out idea of an army.

>>98148683
>>98148577
Zoats/Hive Fleet Colossus are already that anyway.

>>98148543
I still think they should do more with the 'dust marines' concept. I've suggested golems made of crystallised marine dust before. More unique to their lore than robots with Egyptian bits.

Would it be silly to paint terminators as white scars, or should I save that for assault terminators. It feels oxymoronic to have white scar termies on a board.

Imagine if they decide to finally acknowledge War of the Beast to bring back Vulcan since he was last seen on Armageddon and they sent so many Salamanders to the planet this time around.

>>98148767
He did an atrocity for the imperium’s survival that many inquisitors wouldn’t go so far on.
His attitude (from my pov so headcanon) was buying time for the imperium and hopefully to have the tyranids knock out an ork empire.
The sacrifice was basically killing 10k people to spare a million on a galactic scale. As cruel as it sounds his actions perfectly encapsulates the “imperium is bad because it has no other choice” kind of thing if you subscribe to that sort of perception of the imperium.

I think he did nothing wrong and was justified in his actions. To me he decided to be the monster to carry the burden he believed was necessary for the imperium’s survival.
But it’s all a matter of perspective and maybe he really was a monster and his actions were monstrous and not justifiable.

>>98148774
Start with a core of 2 or 3 units that have synergy. For you, what you're saying, probably Shroud Runners and Vipers. Shroud Runners zoom in and strip cover, Vypers follow up with the firepower. Both of them work well in the Windrider Host detachment.
From there you need to build a good concrete, a mix of aggregate and cement. Move up to the big pebbles with wraithlords and Fireprisms, and balance them with good old portland cement Storm Guardians. Since you're Aeldari I'd also include some aspect warriors, maybe warp spiders or something to deep strike. And for that Ranger Aesthetic you can include Rangers, and maybe a Starfangs or two to give stealth to your storm guardians in range.
But it's all about just picking the core you like, and then thinking about how your opponent is going to blow you off the board, then including a good balance of annoying units to occupy them, and big shooty units to blow them up while they're busy.

>>98148867
Any number of Terminators in a White Scar army should probably have a Land aRaider to ferry them around and stick with the theme.

>>98148654
More aberrant, The Hills Have Eyes type units.

>>98148882
This was the list I made up earlier today just picking mostly units I liked + combat patrol. Also I like the psykers so they make up the bulk of HQs

1x Farseer (70 pts)
1x Farseer Skyrunner (80 pts)
1x Spiritseer (65 pts)
1x Warlock (45 pts)
11x Guardian Defenders (100 pts)
5x Dark Reapers (90 pts)
5x Dire Avengers (75 pts)
5x Dire Avengers (75 pts)
1x Falcon (130 pts)
5x Fire Dragons (120 pts)
5x Rangers (55 pts):
5x Rangers (55 pts):
3x Shining Spears (110 pts)
3x Shroud Runners (80 pts)
5x Warp Spiders (105 pts)
1x Wave Serpent (125 pts
3x Windriders (80 pts)
3x Windriders (80 pts)
5x Wraithblades (150 pts)
5x Wraithguard (160 pts)
1x Wraithlord (130 pts)

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>>98148547
Just have it to where higher level nids have personality. Not unlike Necrons.
Look at this magnificent brooding motherfucker. What is he thinking about?

Which would you prefer to be against on the table, Skarbrand or a Chaos Knight?

>>98148903
>Inbreed redneck trailer trash with horrfying powers from powers outside the galaxy
Kind of like the resident evil 8 redneck monster family

>>98148683
they're the reapers from anaother galaxy building a massive biocomputer to do the original mass effect ending of attempting to calculate a way of reversing entropy

>>98148880
>exterminatus planets that are basically dead anyway: Unforgivible, made a pariah
>exterminatus planets that were taken over by Tau against their will: a normal Tuesday.

>>98148920
I think you got me there anon.
Maybe big Krippy was really just a story of inquisitorial hypocrisy the whole time and it went over my head?

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> Based retards are confirmed to be on Armageddon

I don't know what it is about these fellas, but I love 'em to death

>>98148654
Drop the "fight the power" cringe, make them more Innsmouth.
Also play up their heroism, take a page from FEC. They really believe they are biologically superior, they really believe that the nids are angels. They're not overthrowing humanity, they're fixing it.
They also seriously need to overcome their addiction to power tools. Oppressed manufactorum worker is secretly GSC and overthrows his boss, we get it. That's only one type of cult even of the codex varieties. It would be like if the Ork codex showed all of the klans and then there were only models for beast snaggas.

>>98148919
>calculate a way of reversing entropy
So the Tyranids could be trying to create their own bio-organic sun.

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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>98148547
I would make them hungry for human cum and bio engineer the best bussy imaginable so humans dont want to fuck each other and will do anything for a crumb of bratty tyranide bussy

>>98148919
Subtly implying this through disparate scraps of lore and context would be neat.

Having the hive mind say to himself "hmm yes I need to reverse entropy" in a black library chapter written entirely in italics would be gay and retarded.

Are votann planet eating ships able to eat space hulks or are space hulks bigger?

>>98148543
I like sekhetar bots, I think they look pretty neat and it's on brand for heretical sorcerers to have big walking golems. I'm actually excited to try the new detachment they got once we get the actual rules for mixing detatchments.
>>98148844
>If you're going in a new direction with Tsons then give them Tzaanbots,
No, Tzaangors suck and nobody likes them.

>>98148967
>Ork rok gets lost and ends up in the Tiamet system and barely escapes with their lives
>Da boss asks what happened
>"dem bug boyz is gonna run outta food sooner or later... theys is finkin pretty hard about somfing though"

>>98148547
all the tyrand fleets suddenly take a sharp left turn and are now slowly noping out of the galaxy for some unknown reason.

>>98148967
have the hivemind spew out a bunch of bullshit that nobody can understand, and is different across multiple printings of the novel, but in 10% of printings the first letter on each line spells out REVERSE ENTROPY

>>98148502
Soup together Ynnari, Harlequins, Corsairs and EXODITES

>>98148673
I also like the idea of Tzeentch and Khorne being each other's main enemy because it fits the lore of them being the first two Chaos Gods to come into existence.

In the beginning these two were just fighting each other, then Nurgle popped up and just kind of did his own thing off to the side while Tzeentch and Khorne still fought each other. then Slaanesh popped up and Nurgle got a hate buddy.

I should be a GW writer.

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guys.. my thunderhawk is gonna be corrupted by nurgle. what do I do?

>>98148973
The robots they got literally have tzaangor heads, if that wasn't obvious enough for you.

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>>98148919
>>98148944
They're champions of real space and think organic life is sacred like the precursors (flood) in halo which is why their main powers are all about nullifying others' psychic powers.

The reason Tigurius saw hate in the hive mind is because humanity are spawn of the old ones, who were all about psychic powers and whose ultimate aim would have been to abandon this native plain to live in the warp, or using the warp as a hub to bail to another universe like warhammer fantasy. The hive mind itself or whatever terrible entity spawned it see this as an unforgivable transgression and essentially giving up on your own universe. The Emperor is the old ones' greatest scion, perhaps even an old one himself, but he had the unique quality of being anathema to chaos and the warp, he had the option to steer humanity to a path devoid of psyker abiltiies and embracing real space, but he fucked it up during DaoT by being too hands off and all potential future paths collapsed and he took up the only viable one remaning ie old ones route to make humanity super psykers and bail through the warp. Once the tyranids saw the astronomicon they knew what was happening and added him to their list of organics to take out.

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Why don't they just imply tyranids are just old ones that escaped, engineered themselves into a hivemind superweapon and are coming back for round 2. Stealing from Bungie wouldn't be the first time.

>>98148996
more like corrupted by T'au

>>98148786
>Tzeentch is change and Nurgle is stagnation
Not necessarily. Tzeentch is change, Nurgle is DECAY, which in itself can be a type of change.

Stagnation isn't a form of chaos, it's a form of order. Nurgle's forces don't usually tend to sit there doing nothing and staying the same, they tend to go out and spread their filth - but even when they are staying still, they're actively rotting away, growing new diseases.

>>98149016
You could have at least made the anime titties a gender swapped primarch, you fucking gooner.

>>98148547
>"expand" the necron lore
>did not actually expand anything, just made the necrons le ghey
>even the silent king, whose actions were eldritch and unknowable and having the command protocols made him like a hivemind figure, is now reduced to kind of a joke
wow good job

Hey maybe just make a kerrigan, the loud queen, who then ends up jobbing horribly and making nids look like a joke

>>98149025
>cleavage makes this guy's dick uncomfortable

>>98148980
>Imperials set up a very stealthy observation post on an asteroid belt because they're worried about insurrection in the system or something
>Moshi Moshi bugs desu
>Imperials now get to observe the behaviour of the bugs in a conquered system. Expect them to just extract resources and fuck off
>They don't
>They're doing some weird bullshit that hints at a great and more organised purpose. Or internecine conflict. Or something else that demonstrates, without explicitly telling the reader, that the bugs have purposes beyond mere hunger
>The imperials now have to use pluck and wit and solve their interpersonal conflicts in order to escape the observation post with their lives, and get this important data back to the imperium

>>98149016
Not everything has to be about the fucking old ones. It makes the galaxy feel too small, as opposed to Nids being an extragalactic threat.

Also, Bungie products are for people with low IQ.

the real question is, if nids get a fluff expansion do they also get plastic bio-titans?

>>98148977
unironically kind of good lore entry if touched up a bit, tyranids should stay terrifying though so orks prob aren't the best vehicle for that even if funny kek

>>98149016
the left tit should be a bit further down than it is drawn, and slightly more elongated

>>98149001
well tzaangor heads look dumb and ugly and the robot heads look sleek and cool so that's enough for me

>>98149036
the novel I want but GW will never write is just the OG Jurassic Park novel but with nids and admech biologists instead.

>>98149016
Why didn't they just have the Necrons be the remnants of the AI that was defeated in the past that sometimes just wake up and still think they're in a war

I just want tyranids to be grey goo bio monsters. It should represent the apex predator, the most evolved form of life that climbs to the top and kicks everything else into the dirt

all the hivemind should want is to eat, kill, and live forever

>People want to make massive changes to the lore of the setting

Have you idiots learned nothing from Warhammer Fantasy End Times?
This is how you wind up with shitty reboots and entire model ranges and armies squatted.

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>>98149055
Have you forgotten?

>>98149016
>GW copied bungie
stop with this forced meme, schizo.

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>>98148547
More genestealer cult pov stuff, not just miners/labors but the different variations on the cults all throughout the Imperium

Actually just get this guy to write all the new lore, he's one of the few BL guys who know what to do with the bugs

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Justify why any Imperial faction would have a battle with
>Ultramarines led by Robby
>Dark Angels led by Lion El'Johnson
>Adeptus Custodes at all
Other than to say "we think you're fakers."

>>98149064
Rogal Dorn comes back and starts that civil war he wanted to start 10,000 years ago.

>>98149063
Russkies and a bug hivemind mindset are a match made in heaven

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>>98149036
>>98149049
they should do this but with their kids book series no one reads and stealth drop the biggest nid lore bombs in there just to maximally make chuds cry and shit their pants when they discover it ten years later through their video essay yter

>>98149064
The Ultramarines made a bunch of spreadsheets and after many meetings about when to have meetings Bobby G decided the Emperor's Vision was best served if the Custodes all flew out an airlock and into the sun.

I'd be with him on that

>>98148979
if they start doing the abysmal warcraft thing of always having a bigger bad guy behind the big bad it's over

>>98149086
all according to j'lors keikakku

>>98148547

The Emperor is psychically drawing the nids to Terra

What would attract more attention? A Word Bearer army or an Alpha Legion army?

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>>98148774
I can't really say for eldar but i'll go about how I make a list.

This is my current list. It's narrative and fluffy, but can hit like a truck and at least make for interesting games.

So I'll go through my thought process
1. I identified my favorite units (in this case the hover tanks and jetpack elites)
2. I came up for a fluffy reason for the formation (its an armored spearhead that can be deployed via two manta dropships)
3. think about how you will fight. (fast and cagey, fast and hard hitting, slow and tough, ranged, melee, balanced). look for a detachment that fits the units you'll be using the most of.
3 load up your list like with all the units you want to take, think of it like a wish list.
5. This is the crunch part. You want to have several elements to your list but depending on what you have and what you need might be different. But generally you want
>small cheap units that can take objectives, do actions, or screen
in my army this is played by the breachers and devilfish
>Big expensive units that can hit hard and reliably deal damage
the tanks and suits
>weapons that are good for a variety of defensive profiles
The three big groups I tend to plan for are horde profiles (your low strength but high attack guns), Terminator profiles (all around stats but generally -1-2ap and 2-3 damage weapons) and anti tank/monster (low shots, but high strength and damage). I find a balance in profiles or ways of dealing with certain groups allow you flexibility (if your antitank has no targets then it can do mission actions for example)
6. Once i've gotten to a first draft i look it over again and fine tune it going again to step 2 to make sure i've sticking to my theme, I also like to take everything out and put it on the table to see its foot print and get a feel for its size. is it elite? is it horde? would you feel intimidated facing it or does it have obvious lynch pins and weaknesses?

>>98148547
Here's my pitch:
>At the edge of the galaxy, an unknown alien ship appears, somehow the Imperium or Tau figures out it's from another galaxy and from a race the Tyranids already destroyed, and these people tried to escape here only for the Tyranids to also be going in the same direction anyway, and the crew all died on the way
>It's just a bunch of technical information about what the Tyranids used to look like, when they weren't as deadly and advanced as they are now, but still capable of destroying that galaxy's inhabitants
>Some idiot in the Imperium or Tau tries to use this info to engineer this older version of Tyranids to fight the modern ones, only to lose control, and now you have modern Tyranids and classic Tyranids fighting while the humans and Tau shit their pants and run around panicking

>>98149092
he's already doing that what you mean

>>98149023
I don't even know how Nurgle fits Chaos God lore in the first place. They're supposed to be manifistations of the powerful mind-feelings experienced by all the minds in the galaxy. Rage, Hate, Lust, Jealousy, Ambition, these all make sense.

Exactly what intense universal emotions created Nurgle though? People hitting their snooze alarms in the morning?

>>98148774
Fire Dragons, Howling Banshees, and a Wave Serpent are by far must haves in any Craftworld Eldar army. Other than that, go nuts.

>>98149044
anime titties rarely obey the laws of physics

>>98149093
A word bearer army attracts more attention by definition, they tend to be straightforward with their strategies. You my not know you're engaged with an Alpha Legion army until after the fact. >>98149054
Based and true

>>98149122
I meant on the table, not lorewise.

>>98148563
They tried that then nerfed the entire faction into the ground

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>Paint in cool subfaction theme
>Subfaction gets popular amongst plebbit
>Get the urge to strip your entire army even though you made specific kitbashes to fit in with subfaction

>>98149075
Why are you always ranting about le chuds? Who hurt you?

>>98148774
Howling banshees bro

>>98149107
Primary feeling for him is suffering iirc.

>>98149103
I like it more as like, a way to introduce a new race for the Tau.
>ark ship of all that remains of a species from the nids home galaxy
>they fly straight into the Tau part of space
>have a bunch of information on the nids and greatly aid in fighting back a massive attack by Gorgon
>maybe they're silicon based crystal life for something really unique in 40k

>>98148692
This but jihadi insurgents

>>98149132
Why do you know what Reddit likes and more importantly why do you obsess over it? Like your army on its own merits

>>98149107
He's stagnation. You know like the stagnate for ten thousand year Empire that is the greatest power in the galaxy. Chaos gods are empowered not just be personal emotions but the mindset and cultures of whole civlisations

Every 40K army is based on a different enemy the US has fought a war with. Don't believe me?
>Chaos: Confederacy (Brother against brother, splits the empire in half)
>Necrons: China (Ancient empire that briefly wakes up only to get easily beaten)
>Tyranids: USSR (Endless multitudes from the [galactic] east)
>Tau: Japan (obvious)
>Orks: Native Americans (obvious)
>Eldar: Britain (crumbling older empire that still thinks it's hot shit)
>Dark Eldar: North Korea (tiny empire full of insane torture assholes)
>Votann: Canada (very similar to the USA, but generally nicer)
>GCS: American Communist Party (Obvious)

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>>98148907
>What is he thinking about?
Mmm, so tasty!

>>98149146
GSC piting to interstellar terrorist organisation with puppet governments on smaller poorer worlds, like the Luddic Path from Starsector, would be cool

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>>98149054
Agreed. No further motivation is required, they're a force of nature.

>>98149127
>bring army list to a game
>set up your army opposite your opponent
>hope they don't notice that they're there
I honestly don't know what you mean by your question, Anon.

One time, I was running my Alpha Legion army in Horus Heresy and infiltrated my Saboteur in some terrain by enemy lines. Both myself and my opponent forgot it was there until a couple turns in, which felt pretty in character.

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Would Cataphractii Terminators make a decent proxy for anything in 40k? I managed to get 10 of them bundled with some other stuff.

>>98148543
Their studio paintjob did them zero favors

>>98149107
>They're supposed to be manifistations of the powerful mind-feelings experienced by all the minds in the galaxy
First and foremost, as ripoffs from Moorpenis, they're Chaos - as in the name.
They are the chaotic elements of human experience, as opposed to the orderly ones.

Nurgle is yeah laziness, decay, neglect, hopelessness, despair, carelessness, depression, fear, weakness, maybe even a bit of spite, etc.

I don't believe they necessarily have to be powerful feelings to be chaotic aspects of the human collective mental gestalt.

>>98149160
Yeah, Terminator squads.

>>98149107
Apathy, sloth, suffering, despair. The emotions you feel when the plague is killing off your city are similar but different to what you feel when it's Genghis Khan. You can't fight it and if you're poor you can't run, so you turn inward, withdraw, hide, try to block it all out and pretend it's not happening

>>98148803
There's no similarities between slaanesh and khorne, are you a retard?

>>98149107
Acedia is a deadly sin

>>98149175
NTA but the pursuit of martial excellence is in both domains

>>98149182
it's not in slaanesh's
lucius is not the standard and he's not even martially excellent

>>98149186
EC have a unit called flawless blades for a reason, anon. Slaanesh is all about obsession, excess, vanity. "I want to be the best martial artist, and I'll stop at nothing to achieve it" is well within Slaanesh's domain.

>>98149186
It absolutely is. Slaneesh is about pursuit. Pursuing perfection in things, including combat, is constantly brought up when the lore talks about him or his followers. Especially when GW are trying to do something other than 'rape god'.

>>98149195
They have that because GW has no idea what to do with the emperor's children, martial pride is nowhere in slaanesh's domain
read any of the books on the chaos gods you fucking tourist

>>98149107
>Exactly what intense universal emotions created Nurgle though?
Asiatic fatalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalism

In-lore, a common reason that Imperial Guard regiments turn to Nurgle is that they've given up.
They are tired of the eyeball ooze, the boils warts and pus, the scabies, razor blade sore throats, the hacking cough, the acid bile, the burning rash, the trench rot, the flies, the maggots, the rats, the necrosis dropping off their limbs...

To the point they give up. They don't care what happens, they don't care if they die, they just want the pain to stop, and this is when Nurgle swoops in and offers them freedom from pain if they go out and spread his goodies.

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>>98149105
Basically,

> Emperor is a perpetual
> However, in order for him to be reborn he has to actually "die" first
> The Golden Throne is in the middle of a slow cascade failure, so he knows it will break permanently soon
> He is psychically protecting the planet from chaos incursions, even in his current state
> The instant he dies warp portals will open all over Terra, causing a massive daemonic invasion of the entire planet
> He realizes that if he can use the astronomicon to call the Tyranids to Terra their Shadow over the Warp effect will allow him to finally die and be reborn instantly
> He can then lead humanity into a new Golden Age

This is the dark truth he imparted onto Guilliman during their meeting

Source: __________________ my ass _____________________

>>98149175
Slaanesh steps on the toes of the domains of every other god, hence why he is feared the most by the other gods. He can surpass all of them

>>98149131
If you’re referring to the votann on release then that was a funny mess.
Practically killed the leaguechads stay winning meme.

>>98149064
>Bobby G is a heretic who doesn't believe in the God-Emperor's divinity
>Gay Angels are always sus
>Custodes are failures who have the arrogance to think they can speak on behalf of the God-Emperor they failed
Or the easiest go-to
>Admech doesn't acknowledge any of their authority
Boom, easy money. Got any more "hard questions" for me, lorelet?

>>98149206
he's literally the weakest god

>>98149200
>Wherever mortals are ruled by their own unquenchable desires, the Dark Prince of Chaos is there in the shadows, whispering, tempting, and feasting on a banquet of souls. But this is true in all things, not just carnal pleasures. Those who desire to indulge in the finest culinary delights, the most beautiful artworks, even the most sensual clothing, could all be amongst Slaanesh's disciples. Just as importantly, Slaanesh is also the god of perfection. The singer striving for the most beautiful song or the warrior who seeks the perfect fighting techniques, both could be devotees of Slaanesh.

If you don't like it and it's not a part of your headcanon then that's fine anon, but don't expect everyone else to go along with you.

>>98149200
An artist obsessing over their craft to the point of personal ruin and madness is nowhere in slaanesh's domain? Wanting to be PERFECT at what you do is nowhere in slaanesh's domain?

>>98149209
I'm not I'm referring to Eldar. Yvraine and her detachment dominated for a short period and then GW spent the rest of 10th nerfing CWE into being incredibly mediocre and boring.

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>>98149200
>martial pride is nowhere in slaanesh's domain
Its all over his domain in 40K, Fantasy, and AoS. Prideful, vain duelists attempting to prove they're the pinnacle of martial excellence is as much slaanesh as gluttony, hedonism, and all the other excesses

>>98149205
The Shadow in the Warp is not a giant blank effect. It stops easy communication due to the sheer noise, its a DDOS attack essentuially. It wouldn't stop Warp portals opening or daemon pouring out.

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>>98148755
>Give them something like that GSC autowonds weapon and otherwise appeal to WAACfags for a bit.

Yeah, bring back a unit with the old Mental Onslaught but change it to be iconic and memorable.

Something like: Roll a d6 and on an unmodified 6+ it does a mortal wound to the target character, then roll again. Another 6+ you do another mortal wound and roll again. Keep rolling until you don't roll a 6+. No maximum ceiling on the wounds. Give it a long range or indirect. Has to be used by the Warlord.

That's not actually powerful and will only do a mortal wound or two over the course of most games, but everyone will remember that one-in-a-hundred game where the player rolls four sixes in a row or whatever and snipes a space marine lieutenant in one turn. It's a dice game and even on the receiving end people love moments like that as long as they're rare.

>>98149210
Okay, justify:
>Allied game where anyone but tyranids is allied with GSC
>Allied game where anyone is allied with Chaos Daemons besides other Chaos factions
>GSC fighting Tyranids

>>98149243
Oh whoops I meant anyone allied with Tyranids besides GSC

>>98149229
It prevents warp portals from opening, that's how it fucks up warp travel.

This is why escaping a system that is being attacked by nids and sending reinforcements to a system that is being attacked by nids is such a pain in the ass.

>>98149243
>Allied game where anyone but tyranids is allied with GSC

Imperial Guard Brood Brothers, already a detachment

>Allied game where anyone is allied with Chaos Daemons besides other Chaos factions

The Allies don't know they're daemons, just as planned

>GSC fighting Tyranids

Cult was spawned by a different Hive Fleet, can't be hijacked by the Hive Mind

>>98149243
>Allied game where anyone but tyranids is allied with GSC
There is a mutual threat that requires both parties to address, afterwards ascension day/whatever the other party wants is back on
>Allied game where anyone is allied with Chaos Daemons besides other Chaos factions
Spoooky chaos mind magic has ensorcelled the allied faction
>GSC fighting Tyranids
GSC realizes at the 11th hour that maybe the star gods aren't all they're cracked up to be

>>98149243
A psyker did it

>>98149243
>>GSC fighting Tyranids
Very easy. Tyranids fight each other all the time to reabsorb biological material and train the strongest Nid strains through survival of the fittest.
There are also canonical Malstrain nids who have been rejected by the hivemind for undesirable genetic traits.
Finally, you can have the GSC realise the Nids are here to eat them, change their minds and decide they don't actually want to be eaten.
>GSC allying with anyone else
They convince the Eldar, Votann, Orks etc that they're humie mutants
>Ally with Chaos
Is that even legal? Maybe Dark Eldar chaos worshippers

>>98149152
>>Orks: Native Americans (obvious)
I don't see it

>>98149243
> oh fugg this mining colony is on a necron tomb world, we have to temporarily work with these purple weirdos so we don't all get killed (don't worry, we'll kill them afterward lol)

> Dark Eldar and CSM both show up to a ripe imperial planet at the same time, they both need bodies/slaves so they decide to temporarily stick to opposite sides of the planet so they can get what they need without being in each other's way

> that time that a hive fleet ate a nurgle'd up planet and became so infectious that it was attacked and killed by another hive fleet, but on a micro scale

You can do anything you want with a little ima-gin-ation

>>98149243
>>Allied game where anyone but tyranids is allied with GSC
They don't know they're GSC.
>>Allied game where anyone is allied with Chaos Daemons besides other Chaos factions
Deluded imperials often think they can use chaos to fight chaos
Orks don't care, they'll just fight them next
The Genestealer Cult hijacked a chaos cult in the first place
Tau think they're just aliens
Necrons care about eradicating organics first before the fake organics
DEldar are doing it for sport
CWE are following some fucktarded farseer prophecy where aiding daemons now hurts them in the long run somehow
>>GSC fighting Tyranids
Literally happens in lore. Tons of cults reject tyranids fir various reasons. Tainted Coil is going all Umbrella Corp and thinking they can control their own infection, and many cults turn on the nids once the Patriarch psychic controls are lifted. You can also say your GSCs are tied to a different hive fleet and reject the current tyranid invasion as "false Star Children"

This are piss easy son, I said give me something harder

>>98149270
>Is that even legal?
I'm assuming he meant a 2v2 game

*cough* please James, make more than 2 fucking units for chaos knights *coughs and dies*

>>98149152
>>Votann: Canada
Retarded ice pajeets that think they're hot shit but actually suck with tech? Makes sense.

>>98149255
I thought the reinforcement shit was because there's no communication, not preventing physcial travel. ecause then no could enter or leave a system thats under attack, which isnt the case.

>>98148502
>pedo artist

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>>98149159
>One time, I was running my Alpha Legion army in Horus Heresy and infiltrated my Saboteur in some terrain by enemy lines. Both myself and my opponent forgot it was there until a couple turns in, which felt pretty in character.
made me smile

>>98149284
Very well. Justify:
>Adeptus Custodes vs Adeptus Custodes, Grey Knights vs Grey Knights, and Deathwatch vs Deathwatch
>Eldar allied with Dark Eldar
>Space Wolves vs Tau (opposite ends of the galaxy and neither travels long range) or vs Votann (Wolves are nowhere near the galactic core)
>Ultramarines allied with Tyranids
>Grey Knights vs Orks (as in, why are Grey Knights even bothering and not just fucking off to fight daemons and psykers)
>Any regular space marines allied with CSM
>Sisters allied with CSM
>Space Wolves allied with Thousand Sons

>>98149132
>>98149147
NTA but I know what Reddit likes because you chucklefucks never stop whining about it.
Raptors, Flesh Tearers, Carcharodons, and so on. You read those names and almost instinctively at this point thought "Reddit" because you're aware of something I don't, which makes you far more worthy of my disdain than anything else.

>>98149205
tht's cool, they also like showdowns on terra so I don't think it's implausible they'd do something like that. I think they might be tempted to do a marvel moment where after he's reborn he challenges the hivemind and it flinches and the fleet goes haywire and the nid ships in orbit crash into each other and the lesser ones get mind blown splat otg, but, that would lessen the superiority of the hive mind so I hope not. Hive mind should remain the one thing you can't do shit about no matter who you are

>>98149317
The same psyker did that, too. He's a bit of an asshole.

wtf is this thread, does anyone here actually own models?

>>98149317
>Eldar allied with Dark Eldar
This happens at multiple points in the lore. The best Eldar novel, Valedor, has them team up to fight the Nids. The Harlequins also function as a cultural bridge between all the Eldar so, if they pulled the right strings, they could get pretty much any non-chaos eldar to buddy up.

>>98149317
>>Adeptus Custodes vs Adeptus Custodes
Live fire training exercise. Winners get to keep their job. Only the best can guard the Emperor
>GK, DW
"You've been possessed by daemons! The Inquisition told me so!" "No U!"
>Eldar allied with DE
Not even a hard one. They have alliances of convenience all the time as their main goal is to prevent Eldar extinction
>Wolves vs Tau or Votann
Warp travel (which SW dislike, but do use) drops them off in the wrong neighbourhood.
>Nids
Simply not possible
>GK vs Orks
There's overwhelming number of daemons nearby, they agree to kill each other later
>Any regular space marines allied with CSM
>Sisters allied with CSM
>Space Wolves allied with Thousand Sons
Doesn't need justifying because it isn't possible

>>98149317
>>Eldar allied with Dark Eldar
This literally happens all the time. Despite their differences they still view each other as kin and will prioritize their own race over others.

>>98149334
I only post them when I have something new to show off. Or there's a '>post models' chain going on with a lot of participants, that justifies a repost too I feel.

>>98149317
>>Adeptus Custodes vs Adeptus Custodes
Both think they're the ultimate Voice of the Emperor but have conflicting goals. Or perhaps one detachment of Custodes is taking orders from Bobby G and the other detachment thinks that means they've abandoned their duty
>Grey Knights vs Grey Knights and Deathwatch vs Deathwatch
Both think the other detachment/the Inquistor they're serving has been compromised
>>Eldar allied with Dark Eldar
Literally happens in lore.
>>Space Wolves vs Tau (opposite ends of the galaxy and neither travels long range)
Tau have invented (unreliable) Warp Travel, it can happen
>or vs Votann (Wolves are nowhere near the galactic core)
Votann exist outside the core. Mercenary Fleets are all over the place and a whole contingent of them are buddy buddy with the Tau
>>Ultramarines allied with Tyranids
Ultras got mindcontrolled by a brain nid. Either that or the Ordos Xenos wants as much data as possible on these oddly amicable nids so they're forced to fight alongside them until they can figure out what's going on
>>Grey Knights vs Orks
Because the Inquisition told them to. Or because they suspect this is a classic "chaos uses orks as a distraction" feint. Or because the orks found THEM.
>>Any regular space marines allied with CSM
The loyalists are actually renegades and/or alpha legion.
>>Sisters allied with CSM
Chaos trickery makes them think they're regular SM, or they'll turn on each other literally the moment the greater mutual threat is taken care of
>>Space Wolves allied with Thousand Sons
Space Wolves literally tried to commit chapter-wide suicide in a bid to brute force a prophecy and bring back Lemonross, this is far from the least retarded thing they'd get tricked into doing

Again, all of these matchups just require a little narrative framing with you and your friends. You DO have friends, right?

>>98149064
Other primarchs went traitor before, now they return after all this time? Yeah, obviously some xenos or chaos fuckery. Kill em.

Custodes won't let the grey knights through to the emperor now that the terminus decree has been put into effect? Kill em.

Any other imperial faction can join in on any of these battles.

>>98149334
I own most modern kits of nearly every single faction, de-sprued but unassembled in a massive amount of storage containers.

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>lorefags

does the boyz boss nob have a bigger base now?

>>98149352
>Or because the orks found THEM.
Now I'm imagining orks boarding a Grey Knight battlebarge, but the Grey Knights calmly explain that they're an anti-Chaos force only and don't bother with silly xenos. However, there's a Deathwatch battlebarge two systems over they can go board. The orks, slightly embarrassed, nod and politely leave, thanking the GKs for the directions.

>>98148547
The emperor sends a psychic message to the hivemind that that holing guns and swords with your nid fingers is fucking dumb. The hive mind reletns and makes it so it only gives them integrated ones that's part of the limb itself from now on

I made a 1000pt list, plz rate

>Daemon prince on foot
>Terminator sorcerer
>infernal master
>5 man flamer rubric squad with SRC
>5 man bolter rubric squad with SRC
>20 tzaangors mob
>5 man bolter terminator squad with SRC
>2 sekhetar robots

Main plan is to walk my daemon prince up the middle with the tzaangors, let the flamer marines run around and do some crazy shit, then deep strike the terminators and robots. The question is whether I use the infernal master and umbralefic crystal or run exalted sorcerer and give the daemon prince a vortex.

>>98149374
Opposable thumbs are useful dumbass we dominated the planet with them

>>98149352
My understanding was that Tau can't travel long range, and their warp travel is so short range that they really can't go that far outside of their own empire.

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>>98149334

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>>98148547
Introduce some models that have more bizarre chimeric appearances to represent how they've assimilated the bioforms of other galaxies.. Instead of just looking like bugs with organic weapons lean a bit more into flesh and scales and give them some of the stranger aspects of creatures. Don't elaborate directly on their past or give them a voice but start implying through stories similar to the Anphelion Project that the Hive Mind is a lot smarter than it was thought and its looking for something specific. Lean into it being an actual intelligence as opposed to some hungry beast.

>>98149389
>Stickmaris

>>98149381
I bet virus bombing planets and killing us with microscopic life would be more efficient than having xenomorphs running around too, it's a question of what's cool

>>98149371
doesnt seem like it just from watching a recent batrep. the painboy is on the same base size as the boyz, the big boss is on a 40 mm

>>98149371
actually you might be right, the base size looks the same as the big boss. no idea why they did that but im gonna have to change a bunch of basses out AGAIN, fuck me

>>98148502
>How would you fix Yvraine and her faction?
Like you fix a stray cat.

>>98149389
Malicious compliance on multiple levels

>>98149389
base not finished
-10 vp

>>98149372
Does being boring and refusing to fight lead to less krumpin or extra krumpin?

>>98149200
As a Flawless Host fan I'm flabbergasted by what I'm reading