>>2834644
Many foreigners are turned off by how overcrowded Java is - and how primitive/rural/poorly developed the other islands are. Java's population density is higher than the shittiest, poorest, most crowded state in India (Bihar).

I've considered visiting Sumatra multiple times, but the vast distances and shitty transport infrastructure make it a serious ordeal to travel around the island starting at Belawan or Dumai ferry port. Last trip I decided to stay in peninsular Malaysia, which is pricier for a budget traveler, but far more orderly and well-developed. Very easy and cheap to get around Malaysia.

Personally I've decided to visit India before visiting Indonesia, although hotels in Sumatra start at far lower rates than they do in much of India.

>>2834644
It's stupidly cheap to live in, it's just overwhelmingly muslim so that means most gooners can't get easy strange. Thus it's never going to be talked about here.

>>2834648
> I've considered visiting Sumatra multiple times, but the vast distances and shitty transport infrastructure make it a serious ordeal to travel around the island starting at Belawan or Dumai ferry port.
I’ve traveled around Sumatra a couple of times CC and had no issues getting around whatsoever. Sounds like a you problem.

>>2834649
I love how this is just the asian hooker board

To be real, Indonesia is great but the main cities are just your run of the mill super business export based cities for cheap labor. The culture is literally "the europeans made it up 2-300 years ago" and it shows to this day. Jakarta is probably the one of the few places anyone here will go to outside drunk aussies going to Bali.

No one here is realistically goning outside East Java island. With that said, you might as well go to Malaysia. The only real thing Indonesia has is that it's a cheaper version of SEA if you're willing to forgo hookers.

>>2834644
I go there often. I love it! especially the food.
Some parts of Indonesia are actually mostly Christian, such as Medan.
There are actually twice as many Christians in Indonesia than in neighboring Australia.
And you can smoke everywhere. Food courts in shopping malls have indoor smoking sections. Even McDonald's has ashtrays, with the McDonald's logo on them. I've been meaning to steal one.
Average meal price is like $1 US, and it will regularly be the greatest thing you've ever tasted. Over and over this happens.
Just go!

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>>2834694
>Some parts of Indonesia are actually mostly Christian, such as Medan.
Hmmm, never actually knew there's entire regions of Christians. Papua doesn't look too viable as a territory moving forward, kek.

>>2834724
Anything happening in Flores? It's the pink catholic in the south - between Bali and East Timor.
Used to be a Portuguese colony. Any life there?

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>>2834694
I've had the Malukus in my crosshairs for a while now, ever gotten to that part - I'm thinking to spend a while in Ambon/Ceram, but would also go to Ternate and tidore

>>2834644
I was in a city in Sulawesi recently. Absolutely zero sidewalks or street lighting and lots of open sewers. I made the mistake of looking up at the night sky for just maybe 2 seconds, forgetting where I was, I fell into a sewer, slammed my chin into the concrete and ripped my pants at the knees. Fucking piece of shit shit hole. The food is only marginally better than Philippines.
It's like saying "hey! How come nobody goes to Bangladesh!?"
Reasons.

>>2834742
What the fuck were you doing there? The shape of the island looks kino. Is there any major diffrences between parts of it? Do people just jungle bunny around everywhere without giving a fuck?

>>2834649
>it's just overwhelmingly muslim so that means most gooners can't get easy strange

In fact it is easier and cheaper to get pussy in indonesia as a muslim man, than anywhere else in SEA. The sex industry in indonesia is pervasive and everywhere, and is much more fucked up and 'sex slavery' (debt slavery) style than other places.

There is islamic whoring, where you get a temporary wife (for a couple hours, then divorce her). Or straight up sex slavery where you spend a pitiful sum to gain raw pussy access to run through women of all ages.

Rural indonesia is full of families who sell their daughters into sex slavery to buy something they think they need, or because of a crisis. It's similar to thailand about 30 years ago. The market for rural sex slaves is only growing as indonesia becomes more urbanized, and because their culture is so backwards and retarded partially due to islam, the situation is not dealt with.

>>2834694
>There are actually twice as many Christians in Indonesia

Just like most africans claiming to be christian, they aren't actually christians. They have all sorts of local bullshit they do alongside "christianity". It's a larp. Feel free to go to one of their sunday services and see the type of retarded shit going on if you don't believe me. The number of actual practiciing christians in the world is vanishingly small compared to the numbers claimed.

>>2834744
>What the fuck were you doing there?
Just exploring
>The shape of the island looks kino.
It looks like a swastika. 16 million jews died need I remind you.
>Is there any major diffrences between parts of it?
The south is Muslim, the north is Christian
>Do people just jungle bunny around everywhere without giving a fuck?
What?

>>2834685
>forgo hookers.
indonesians are coomers, and have a huge cooming industry for themselves, and for indians coming over from singapore

its simply a bit less 'overt' than other places, for example if you have a maid, you can ask her to bring you a girl, she will know what you mean and will bring you a girl later or the next day, dressed like a maid but ready to bang

every muslim society is fueled by secretive sex trafficking, indonesia is no different

There's even a '''''''holy mountain'''''''' in Indonesia where couples go up to wife swap.

>Legend has it that in the 16th Century, Prince Pangeran Samodro had an affair with his step-mother Nyai Ontrowulan. They ran off to Mount Kemukus and committed incest. However, they were caught in the act by soldiers and local villagers, who killed the couple and buried them in one hole.

>The prince is now honoured with a shrine in the same place. It is a common belief that if two strangers have sex at the spot and finish the incomplete act of the honoured couple, blessings and a good fortune would be granted from Ontrowulan herself.

>During the Pon Festival, an auspicious day on the Javanese calendar, pilgrims flock in large numbers to perform the ritual. First, prayers and offerings are made at the graves of the royal couple. Then, pilgrims bathe in the sacred waters of the hill. Every pilgrim must find a stranger and have sex with them on the hill and exchange contact details. The couple must then meet and have sex after every 35 days for seven times in total.
I mean, blessings from Ontrowulan isn't something to be sniffed.

>>2834644
I liked Batam, cheap 5-star resorts and lots of food catering to Singaporeans so you can have pretty good chili crab for 1/10th the price in Singapore.

>>2834644
It's a shithole with Muzzies. The land is beautiful and was once ruled by the Dutch but those days are long over.

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Indonesia seems comfy. Unlike flipland they have a lot of empires that lived and died in their islands. Their economy is growing very fast and it's likely going to be a major economic power within this century.

>>2834694
>Medan is mostly Christian
No wonder Medan is such a crime-ridden shithole, reputedly the least safe city in all of Southeast Asia. Christcucks and their forgiveness of sins bullshit, makes them think they can do whatever they want and it's all right as long as they repent.
>>2834742
Deep open gutters along roadsides are common in Malaysia as well. Asians don't idiot-proof their infrastructure like America does.
>>2834671
You obviously didn't get around to many places if you never had any transport issues.
>>2834694
The flavormaxxed cheap food gets tiring after a while. Your tastebuds and stomach starts craving real flavor made with herbs and quality ingredients.

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>>2834911
>least safe city
Provide a source, Ahmed.

>has digital nomad visa
any thoughts on long term stays? dont want to be one of the bali degens, just somewhere cheap / quiet with nice food

>>2834644
Anyone ever go to Nias? I'd want to stay at a surf hostel for cheap.

As I understand it, Jakarta is an absolute hidden gem in terms of purely sex with women instead of the bullshit in the Philippines.
I'm curious about it since they seem like they're as horny if not more than failpenis and it beats going to Phnom Penh which feels like it could be obscenely difficult to pull some slit.

>>2835533
Nope

>>2835540
ricecel pls

>>2835533
You've never been there you fat nonce. It's nothing like PH.

>>2834914
Malaysians will rate their city as unsafe because the cheapshit government installed storm grates that regularly break. Street crime barely even factors into it.

Indonesia is an interesting place. I love the country, the people are super nice. They're curious of foreigners and usually very friendly. If you're white, you'll still be a god there. I've never had as much success on Tinder as I did in Indonesia. Had loophole sex with a few virgins there, kinda developed a muslim fetish out of it.

Honestly, it's less developed than places like Malaysia and Thailand, plus it's dirty as fuck, but also so easy to make friends there and have a good time as a tourist.

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>>2835615
I'm white and got 50+ matches overnight. One date I went on, she was very open about how she loves my white skin, light-color eyes, and cleft chin. We chatted until the restaurant closed. On the way out, she wondered out-loud "where should we go?" "Let's go back to my hotel". She was very passive, so be prepared to make 100% of the moves with little positive feedback.

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>>2835617

>>2835605
>loophole sex with a few virgins there
I... What? Like anal?

>>2834644
I visited a friend in Depok (basically Jakarta) and the air quality was shockingly bad. I quickly got a throat infection lol. Wouldn't recommend. Extremely cheap thoughever.

>>2835743
So many coughing people in Asia. Here at altitude in America I hardly ever hear people coughing in public.

>>2834644
Indonesia is really nice. Friendly people, great nature, cheap, lots areas with few tourists. Skip the cities.
Transportation is difficult or expensive and/or annoying to deal with beyond a few popular areas. Most people end up riding scooters/motorcycles. Better spend a few days riding scooters at home in order to not be overwhelmed driving them the first time in your holidays.
Almost every tourist is somewhere on the same kind of beaten path between Jakarta and Bali/Lombok.
I recommend to skip these places unless you have a specific interest in them.
Look up which animals, plants and landscapes are where to find, focus on what you want to see the most and explore these areas. Don't hop around, focus on one area at the time.


>>2834648
Why not rent a motorcycle on Sumatra?
What do you think is better in Indonesia than in Malaysia?

>>2834694
>Average meal price is like $1 US, and it will regularly be the greatest thing you've ever tasted
No and no.

>>2834764
>Every pilgrim must find a stranger and have sex with them on the hill and exchange contact details
this reads like a third world chain email

>>2835617
this sounds like some kind of cuck fetishist creative writing / rage bait, do brownoids really write and consume this shit and share it kek

>>2834644

>>2844691
That was written by a white incel dork

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>>2844987
t.

>>2845083
I think he's having a laugh heh

>>2834759
>>2834757
this

>>2834644
>Wtf happens here?!
muzzies, SEAniggers and whores
it's like Africa but tropical. a seething mass of the scum of humanity which rivals Thailand as sexploitation capital of the region

>>2834685
>The only real thing Indonesia has is that it's a cheaper version of SEA if you're willing to forgo hookers.
a threesome in jakarta is $30 lol

Can I get a rundown on whats the best spots to get surf some chill waves, dive, and eat food? Should I just go to Bali and keep working East to less crowded islands and areas?
Is it easy to hit ATMs or exchange cash ?

>>2845732
Isn't diving and scuba-ing mutually exclusive? Thought the waves would fuck shit up for diving.

>>2845740
*surfing and diving, ffs.

>>2845740
Yeah maybe thats the case. I didnt totally mean for them to be all in one exact location
Was hoping for a like "hey bro go stay at this town for some waves, and then when ur arms are cooked go to this town to swim with some dumb but cute yoga girls" "when both of those bore you, go play thru Chronno Trigger in a little seaside shack"

>>2845744
yeah, that sounds comfy as fuck.

If you're rich, you could try Cornwall in England.
>world famous surf spots (Newquay)
>lots of wreck diving and apparently decent diving in the Isle of Scilly (England's ''''''''mediterranean islands'''''')
>lots of beautiful little cottages to snuggle up in
>plenty of dumb slags around in Plymouth as well as tourists looking for fun (especially in tourist campsites)

>>2845744
>>2845745
Jesus, i'm such adumb cunt. Didn't realise what thread I'm in, fucking hell.

>>2834644
>Wtf happens here?!
monkey torture

>>2834644
I did travel to Indonesia this summer. Did a conference in Bali. We stayed at this hotel that owns sizeable portion of private beach. Very nice place, good food. Being a work conference I was forced to socialize with other westerners, so it felt more like an all inclusive resort.

Traveled east to Flores after the conference. Labuan Bajo airport is >90% westerners. All the tiktok zoomers are doing boat trips to Komodo Island, Padar, etc. because apparently it became popular during covid. I was planning to travel east instead, to the inland areas that are less touristy. I had always planned to biketrip, so flew in with my road bike and biked to a town called Ruteng in the middle of the mountain in Flores. Flores is really pretty, 90% Christians, churches everywhere. The villages around are nice. But IMO Ruteng is still too big for my taste, but Indonesians called it small city. Being in the mountains it was not as oppressively humid as other places in Indonesia. Physically I got crushed by the mountains, the hills are unforgiving. I learned that they did have an actual bike race called Tour De Flores and it's all steep grade climbs throughout the island. The locals are very friendly and even random villagers surprisingly spoke decent (at least comprehensible) english. I showed my electric bike pump to the local kids and it blew their mind. I hiked to the top of this mountain, themed with Stations of the Cross for Good Friday. Pretty neat hike, although it was misty at the top so the view wasn't that nice. The locals said it will take a whole day but I did it in 2 hours.

Overall had a great experience. I checked on my less outdoorsy work conference friends, they went to Jakarta for partying and mongering and seemed like they had a good time as well; although they said that they got really bored because there was nothing to do in Jakarta before sunset, then the food, cafes, and mongering were good.

9/10 would highly recommend Flores.

>>2845948
Any hunger for independence in Flores? Seems like it doesn't match the rest of Indonesia, and would be better off more aligned with Australia or something.

>>2845957
Idk - I didn't have the chance to talk with locals beyond basic nicities and I don't know a lot about Indonesian politics. But I think they have more in common with Indonesia than Australia, in term of food, spices, etc, e.g., they still eat white rice. But because they're Christians they eat pork as well. They are more of a remnant of colonial Dutch Catholics than anything and Australians are not Dutch Catholics.

One thing I noticed though is that they had massive gasoline shortage throughout the island. Like a village will have only one paved road through it and there will be a traffic jam around gas station, apparently they have buying quotas. People who live nearby buy the gasoline and scalp it, they sell them in 2L water jugs at elevated prices. Like many provincial areas, they seem to be ignored and really behind the times. That can't be that nice.

>>2834683
Hey, that’s not fair. That’s one hell of a generalization. Some of us talk about latina hookers too.

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>>2834757
im expected to believe I can go there, say im a muslim by saying that one phrase they got and just raw dog a selection of whatever I want?

yeah idk about that

>>2847502
Most of Indonesia is not strictly Islamic like the Gulf Arab countries. Aceh is one exception. You venture into the underbelly of the city at your own risk. If you can't communicate in the local language, things can go wrong very quickly.

>>2847730
>no straw for you, even when properly disposed
>SEAmonkeys literally dump river loads of plastic shit into the ocean ever single day on purpose
No one should be giving a single cent to these shitholes and their "attractions"

>>2849941
Half the trash they dump is stuff that was shipped over from your country to "recycle". It's your trash on their beaches.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/southeast-asia-flooded-with-imported-plastic-waste-meant-for-recycling

>>2851247
>get paid to recycle something
>dump it into ocean instead
>It's wypipo fault

>>2851397
Recycle your own trash.

>>2851247
>>2851419
>open local dump in your town
>people drive up and pay to drop off trash, you promise to dispose of it properly
>just dump it in a local park
>when confronted, act like it's their fault for trusting you
???

>>2851397
You can't deny that Western countries talk a big talk about protecting the environment, but in reality they've shifted all the dirty business overseas to poorer countries (for greater profit).

The only people getting paid to "recycle" plastic waste are smugglers who illegally import it into Third World countries and dump it there.

>>2851482
Its not dumped. The recycled trash is sold, Indonesians sort it and then it goes through recycling or burned for fuel in tofu villages. This has largely stopped from China because they recently pioneered a process to recycle without the need to sort/grade.

>>2845409
Im surprised this market isnt more wellknown considering how easy Bahasa translates and how good software is now with stuff like androids in page translate

>>2834649
That’s just not true lmao. Prostitution is prevalent anywhere outside countries where a) men aren’t hated (Middle East/India) and b) feminist societies. In the rest of the world, prostitution is actually quite normal and a much safer way for a woman to make lot’s of money having sex with tame upperclass locals or sextourists to uplift her family than her brother joining a gang or her father breaking his back working manual labor on some farm.

>>2851462
Imagine knowing you're giving your trash to a guy who dumps it right in the water, and you decide to keep giving it to him for 30 years. At some point you have to accept that you're both responsible.

>>2851994
>30 years
buddy, the article you linked >>2851247 says this is mostly since 2018
I'm gonna continue to place most of the blame on the people dumping trash in the water and underbidding anyone who'd handle it more responsibly

>>2852026
2018 is around when shit stopped because China banned it and every other country did the same because the loads became unbearable. You being unaware and dumb like a typical American doesn't make you right.

>>2852184
>You being unaware ... like a typical American
>>2851994
>Imagine knowing
so the typical american doesn't know shit about this, but is also culpable for intentionally choosing to do it for 30 years
funny how that works

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I am in Indonesia right now. I have been here 2 weeks and will likely be here for at least 2 more. I have been here many times. Saya suka Indonesia!
Currently in North Sumatra and probably heading towards Java soon.
If you have any questions fire away. I have local friends I can ask about things too

Picrel: Nasi Goreng Daging Sapi @ Garuda. Overrated imo

>>2847502
>>2847619
I'm in Medan, North Sumatra. The people here are like 60% Muslim, 35% Christian. There are Churches everywhere here, tonnes of Chinese, pork, booze etc.
There are also lots of nightclubs and 24hour KTV places, which are full of prostitutes. Mostly Chinese or other SE Asian girls. Drugs are also a big problem here.
So it's not all boring and pious Muslims. You can party here 24/7 if that's what you're into. Jakarta is much the same.
And obviously Bali is full of drunken Australians eating suckling pig. Bali is majority hindu. Also full of bars and nightclubs.
The major cities here are diverse like all other big cities.
Kratom is also legal here and you can get it delivered in under an hour.
I tried it in Bali. First couple of times it didn't do much so I doubled the dosage, and that was great! Kinda like adderall. I might try it again this trip

>>2852305
Knowing and doing it and not knowing it make you equally retarded. Just like drunk driving. If someone needs to tell you it's stupid, you're retarded. If someone tells you not to do it and you continue to do it, you're retarded. Any person with common sense just knows.

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Happy new year, everyone.

Is this accurate? Do people really stay quiet in Bali on new year's? I can't imagine, since Bali has a reputation as a party location for foreigners, so surely there's noise.

>>2852424
it probably means nyepi which is in march but is their "new year"

>>2852407
incredible to meet the magical man of no negative externalities, a walking saint who harms not even an ant through fourth order effects
the us has plenty of landfills to store trash, people recycled plastic specifically because they were conned and conditioned into believing it was effective and good for the planet in campaigns that haven't been undone, then companies raced to the bottom on price out of greed and shareholder primacy, so an opaque industry rose up to meet them. ships aren't just dropping the waste on the beach, your countrymen are facilitating and accepting these shipments, illegally redirecting them from legitimate uses even. any person with common sense "just knows" not to take plastic and dump it in the ocean too, but we both know how that's going for you

How do you go about extended visas and charter travel, or remote region travel?

>>2852375
Saya suka Indonesia juga!

Diving junky here so have been all over Indo as the diving is the best in SE Asia, top 3:

1 - Raja Ampat, Sorong (Western Papua), super remote, papuans running around with red teeth
2 - Komodo, Flores, super touristy now but still has good diving and easy to get to
3 - Alor, East Nusa Tenggara, pain in the arse to get to as super remote, can see schooling hammerhead sharks.

Other places of note, Lembeh, Ambon and Banda Islands. Banda is super cool with old east india company forts as this was the centre of the spice trade.

>>2853655
Flores is awesome. It has gotten more touristy but it still has a long way to go to reach the levels of Bali. I really dug it there. Also funny hearing how many idiots died fucking around on the pink beach and being left behind to become Komodoed.

>>2852383
The vast majority of prostitutes in Indonesia are native Indonesian Muslims.

The temporary marriage prostitution in Bogor Puncak for tourists and this wife swapping shit >>2834764 and Indonesians selling daughters into debt style sex slavery>>2834757 is all native Indonesian Muslim dominated.

Chinese KTVs are only in Chinese areas mostly servicing other Chinese.

Uzbek Muslims also work as prostitutes in both Indonesia and Thailand, serving Thai Buddhist men.

It's Islamists falsely pushing propaganda than non-Muslim women make up most prostitutes.

>>2853655
>Saya suka
>Raja Ampat, Sorong
>Nusa Tenggara
>Lembeh, Ambon and Banda
lmao what a hilarious language. I want to visit Indonesia.

>>2851989
>In the rest of the world, prostitution is actually quite normal
No it isn't or at the minimum not encouraged.

>>2852574
>ships aren't just dropping the waste on the beach, your countrymen are facilitating and accepting these shipments
Cracking down on those businesses could be lobbied and targetted by western lobbyists who try to frame that as being unfair on them, the WTO is EXTREMELY stacked against most of the world. One state tried to curtail it's obesity epidemic by cutting turkey tail imports and they lost in the WTO trial.

>illegally redirecting them from legitimate uses even
>any person with common sense "just knows" not to take plastic and dump it in the ocean
anon these companies sending trash abroad don't sort their goods and lie on their documentation. They will give you a shipment that they say is one rating that you can do, but is actually the hard to recycle or unrecyclable shit and you are stuck with bad plastic. You can't even send it to your own local facilities because they can't do it too.

I'm currently looking at the E33G (aka digital nomad) visa. I think I'm fitting money wise. Is it worth it? Or is it better to just arrive for 30 days and gett acclimatized before making a decision? I'm aware I can't apply for it while actually *in* Indonesia but a re-entry shouldn't be a problem.
>Is it an Islamic hellhole, or an untapped resource? There must be some amazing experiences lurking in the 10million islands
Well, it's a majority Islamic country but it's weird because it's Asian, it's a jungle, and they have a secular foundation ideology or something, so it left me with impression that it's less Islamic than Malaysia, despite being more Muslim population-wise. I don't see it that much of an issue - I have been to Qatar and definitely enjoyed it despite it being a sharia country. Indonesia is a far cry from the orderliness and cleanliness of Qatar, but they don't have sharia there either, except maybe in Aceh.

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What's Sulawesi like? It looks like it's reeeeeeeeeeing at normies to GTFO so I think I'd like it there.

>>2856261
Seems like a proper wild place. It's like in the middle of a million tectonic plates. Must have some crazy backwards shit happening.

>>2856265
I want to know about it.

>>2857833
Well it's not that remote.
The main city Makassar is the 5th largest in Indonesia and it's a very popular food destination.
Even Mark Wiens has made some videos there:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qQCx9Eyam4M

>>2852383
Reddit Indonesia says Medan is one of the most lawless and crime ridden cities in Asia. How do hotel prices compare to Malaysia? Tough to get any room with A/C and a window for less than $15 in Malaysia these days.

>>2856261
Holy fuuuuck lol this post.
Please go there and make a thread.

>>2834649
Youve clearly never been to Muslim countries cause prostitution is prevalent there too. I swear to God the stupid shit I read here. There are some exceptions like Egypt but I didn't really go looking for prostis there anyways.

>>2858558
Why would Egypt be an exception?

>>2858579
They commit so much rape and molestation they don't need it

>>2834870
Found the fuckin Australian oi cunt stay in Bali you raw dog

An expat told me he would go to clubs and they'd seat foreigners in a special infidel section where they bring pills of ecstasy on trays and shit

Basically what I'm asking is how easy is it for a white boy to get high?

>>2834683
>>2847130
Tourism would plummet the world over if we could legally get this shit in the states. I mean hookers are expensive here, but I'd hope with all the sudden competition from ladies that would have been too afraid to do it before, prices would dump.