>>2836579
Been there twice and still haven't been to any islands, I love all of it over there. Stayed in a poor small city in the Peloponnese last time, close to 3rd world, not a nice touristy place, house vibrated when cars drove by 100+ yards away, and I loved it. I love the people, the climate, the churches. Laissez faire. Can have a good time anywhere as long as you have a car. Get your priorities straightened up. Of places I've been though, I'm going Nafplio. Least favorite day was spent driving around Boeotia.

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>>2836579
Santorini is overpriced, overcrowded and filled with barely alive elderly retards on cruises, but man it's fucking majestic. Anyone who tell you "hurr durr just go to any other island for 1/10th of the price" is talking out of their ass. There's a reason why it became so popular. (That's not to say that the other islands are bad though.)

>>2837106
photos don't do Santorini justice being there is magical

Is there anywhere in greece I can go that,

-isn't filled with hairy dirty greeks trying to scam me for a few euros
-isn't filled with narcissistic baby boomers

>>2836579
Napflio

>>2837207
Κίναρος

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>>2836579
Greece... is Greece even Greek?

All my information on Greece has been:
>from school regarding Ancient Greece
>from plays by Aristophanes
>hollywood and movies regarding stories during ancient Greek periods

So I arrive here in Athens and get the feeling it is way too... arab? muslim? turkish? Can't find the right word for it, but reminds me of the orient. Mostly people here look like they could be from Turkey. Some blondes, some fairly white individuals yes, but temperament, body language, gesturing remind me of a mix of Italian ad Turkish.
Cuisine seems Turkish too.

So is modern day Greece just a Turkish satellite state of Turkey? What is the point saying, "meme-ing" BGC (big greek cock) if there is nothing inherently Greek about modern day Greece?
It seems the forced alliance or occupation of Greece by beneficiaries/ invaders with Turkish roots Byzantine (700 year long empire) and Ottoman (400 year long empire) -> equating to 1100 years was longer than the entire existence of the ancient Greek period which was a 900 year long empire.

What is Greek about Greece, if your main culture always had dominant roots in Turkey?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EPByg079lP4

>>2837440
you have been enlightened the secret we have been hiding is that Greek revolution was actually a Turkish civil war those Turkish sculls we made pyramids with ? they were from our brotherly Turks also we eat the same food (ignore the small dif in pork who know why our Turkish brothers don't seem to eat it )

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Western Crete is my happy place

it has venetian old harbour in Chania old town

otherwise it's very spread out and has like 3/top 5 beaches in greece (Balos, Elafonissi, Falassarna)

the beaches are filled with all kinds of sketchy people trying to sell shit to you or rob your shit

There are taverns I dream about and when I get back to them every few years the food is just as amazing.

The best thing about greece is the relaxed vibes. I think crete is even more chill because its an island most tourists need to drive a supermini car so nobody is retarded and speeding like retards, instead you're just enjoying a drive to the beach or wherever.

I explored the island more every time, been 3 times. Had a fucking blast. You just drive and wherever you get hungry there's on the map nearby some amazing family run tavern with delicious food.

Falassarna beach is my favorite at the moment, perfect sand, huge beach, several other beaches nearby if you want to try them, usually almost 0 waves, fish in the water near the rocks if you want to swim under water, etc.
But Elafonissi is also incredible if the beach bridge to the island isn't partially flooded which makes the beach crowded.

The water is out of this world.

Every time I land in Crete I immediately relax and all my shit is left behind, I am in my happy place. Rent a car from the airport and just explore it all. I haven't bothered exploring the most populated heraklion area on the east side.

>>2838071
the beaches AREN'T

>>2838071
is it good to visit Crete in late Dec/Jan? Still very warm and sunny and not totally dead

>>2837440
Meds are gonna Med, what's the surprise there? They don't have the pale skin and frigid, orderly temperaments of sun-starved northern Europeans.

Greece is a Christian nation, while Turkey is a Muslim nation. And no, Greece is not a satellite state of Turkey. To the contrary, Greeks and Turks are long-time enemies.
>>2837120
Paypigging for Instagrammable views is peak normie behavior.

>>2836579
Crete is kino
Mykonos too but for the opposite reasons

>>2838071
Came here to paint this Cret specifically Chania is amazing. Also my favorite knife is from some knife maker from there

I went 3 years ago and visited Athens, Santorini, Naxos, Syros, and Rhodes.

If I ever get a chance to go again I will go to the less popular islands. Naxos and Syros were amazing, both had a quiet vibe, were very relaxing, great food for reasonable prices on both. Naxos is a super nice island, there are barely any tourists there compared to the more famous islands.

>>2836579
Crete is paradise on earth
great food
natives are ultra friendly (you can tell immediately who is cretan and who is greek)
lots of historical monuments and places to visit
beatiful nature and landscape
its huge, been there twice in 3 years, over a week at a time, and didnt get bored or repetitive (but will take some 5+ year break before going there again, since my trips where exaustive and nearly 20 days lets you do more than plenty)
you really cant go wrong in Crete

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>>2837530
I was there in December 2009. Only stayed for a couple nights at Simonopetra.
>Take 3am bus from Thessaloniki to Ouranopoli
>Arrive in Ouranopoli, take ferry to Dafni
>Get off in Dafni. Now what? I didn't make any arrangements
>Start walking up the road towards Simonopetra
>Road winds up and up. Waves crashing down the cliffs below
>Come around a corner, giant fuckin mountain
>Eventually see the monastery
>Some monks outside. I approach and one of them points toward a building
>I go in, after a few minutes a monk welcomes me with a glass of tsipouro or raki and some Turkish delight
>Shows me to the guest quarters. It's very clean and comfortable
>Couple of French dudes there and an asian kid
>Wake up at 3am for prayer
>Candle lit church. Monks chanting. Wind howling outside
Its a surreal place. I didnt experience much because I was there for such a short time, but would go back in a heartbeat

>>2838614
Did you stay around the same monastery for your time there or did you hike around to other ones? Are you monitored by monk police?

>>2838614
thanks for answering anon

how did you spend your days?
how was the food?
how much were you able to converse with the monks?
are you Orthodox/religious?
did you see or experience anything unexpected?

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>>2836579
How's the whore situation there? I know it's legal, but are they reasonably priced and okay looking?

>>2839217
Depends on how you feel about Mad Max

Mani Peninsula is God's country, barely any tourists at all, probably because there aren't any sandy beaches.

>>2839217
Scouted the general thunderdome area (with intent, I intended to visit a prostitute and have sex before I left), just felt pure disgust-tinged pity once even near the right neighborhood, felt no horniness there.

>>2837440
From what I could tell there's a shit ton of pajeet immigrants and rapefugees in central Athens, especially around Omonoia where I stayed.

>>2839217
The brothels in Athens are the worst kind of human trafficking you will ever see. Thick steel doors on the buildings and bars on the windows. Sketchy brown dudes just wandering the streets doing god knows what. I wouldn't touch those girls with a 10 foot pole.

>>2839235
>iceland

>>2839248
Holy shit you stayed in omonoa? That’s the most dangerous place in that city

>>2839248
poorfag

>>2836579
airport depatures

>>2836579
For me:
>Litochoro
Quaint town at the base of Mt Olympus
A lot of people go there for a night just to climb the mountain but it has an awesome vibe and the ocean/beach bars are a few minutes drive away
Despite being such a small town the bars/restaurants down in the river gorge are cool as fuck
>Kissamos
Far western end of Crete
Totally different crowd to Heraklion or Chania
I'd say it's quite romantic and relaxed

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>>2842619
>forgot pic

I recommend everyone to visit Rethymno in Crete. It's been my go-to destination 2 years in a row now.

>>2837440
you fell for the western propaganda that culturally appropriated greek back a few centuries ago because anyone based couldn't have been from a different cultural sphere etc
The greeks were in constant cultural, political and trade communication with the east and it's empires and nations. When they expanded they mostly looked east. Their very achievements in maths, sciences, etc were a continuation of the achievements of the egyptians and the mesopotamians. The east was the civilized world for them.
The turks are nomads that settled the region of Anatolia in the early 1000s and were absorbed by the local populations. What you see as turkish is simply the local cuisine, temperament, body language of the mediteraneans.
The Ancient greeks would have felt 10 times weirder to you.
Tldr you fell for the memes and the propaganda of the west.

Also wtf did you expect? To hear ancient greek music from 500bc? Where are you gonna hear ancient music from even 100 or 200 years ago in your country?

>>2839875
There are lots of hotels with other foreigners around there. It was grimy but I never felt in danger. I walked to the metro station with my backpack on at 5 in the morning to catch my flight and had no problems.

>>2837440
Neither likes to admit it but Greeks and Turks are not only culturally but ethnically extremely similar, owing to centuries of voluntary co-mingling in Anatolia, subjugation, rape and slave imports.

Think of it like the difference between Greek and Turkish Yoghurt.

>>2845425
>Where are you gonna hear ancient music from even 100 or 200 years ago in your country?

The radio, opera house or concert hall

>>2845623
>centuries of voluntary co-mingling in Anatolia
Yeah dude those christians and muslims got along so well and mixed a lot.

Where in greece am i most likely to meet dutch girls

>>2838071
>Someone else posts it first
I fucking love it there, unironically going back soon and not bothering trying some new islands.
Kissamos is peak comfy Greek Island Holiday, having Chania and Hereklion close by means you aren't trapped either like elsewhere.

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>>2838071
will only go there when the new airport is finished and the main road network is done

Assos. Loved Kefalonia and Ithika.

>>2837440
You really should read about the history of Greece. Everyone likes to talk about Ancient Greece and then leave a giant fucking gap between that and the eventual takeover of the region by the Ottomans before its relatively recent independence. There’s almost 1500 years of history between the end of the Greek city states and the occupation by the Roman Republic and Empire then the fall of Constantinople in 1453.

>>2849675
Yeah but no one outside the Balkans really gives a shit about the Byzantines

>>2847648
that's when it'll turn shit though lol

>>2849684
Yeah Western propaganda did a great job of convincing everyone that Rome died in 476 and didn’t exist for another thousand years.

>>2849687
Rome has nothing to do with Constantinople, it's just people larping for legitimacy.

>>2837440
Wait until you realize "Turkey" is just islamized Byzantine/Near Eastern culture which is what the Greek world had always been.
Or will you look at East Roman architecture, churches and bathhouses and conclude it's "Arab" because Muslims copied it?

>>2849703
>Rome has nothing to do with New Rome
>The Romans were larping…as themselves

>>2849734
Which 3 ideological tenets did the Romans and Byzantines share?

>>2836579
Nafplio, Chania

>>2849734
Whether you can say classical Rome and the Byzantines are the same is kind of like the ship of Theseus argument. Yeah they have the same name but everything about the Byzantines is so clearly different that in the popular imagination it might as well be its own thing.

Ive been living in athens for 5 months and im depressed. the islands were nice in summer but now in winter its so dark.

any recommendations on what to do/where to go?

>>2850078
Aegina, Nafplio, Delphi, Patra

>>2849742
>>2849703
you do understand the Charlemane when modeling the Holy Roman Empire which he envisioned as the continuation of the western roman empire he did so modeling it based on the other roman empire than was there, the byzantines.
Also wtf do you mean? Both culturally and as an empire it was a clear continuation of the roman empire.
They kept the roman law and occasionally did minor updated and revisions. They kept the roman civil system for bureaucrats and for managing territories. They kept the roman army compositions and all restructurings around the centuries, they kept the same imperialist system with the head of state being the head of the church as well, with the only difference being the transition to Christianity. They kept even the bad stuff like generals rising to emperors and the ocassional civil wars. They centered their empire around a large city with a huge port that was the center of trade, commerce and imperial authority. They kept using the same name, and others countries kept viewing them as the continuation of the roman empire.
Anyone who claims they werent romans is a revisionist retard.

>>2849746
If you talk about "Classical Rome" as solely the Latin part, then sure. But the Roman state was as much Greek as it was Latin.

>>2850882
Christians are the revisionists. They are claiming the successes of an ancient empire to give themselves legitiimacy after running everything into the ground.

The Christian ideology underpinning Byzantium was faaaaaaaaaar different to that of Rome, and you know it. It's absolutely chalk and cheese.

You're claiming they're the same due to
>legal system
>military system
>methods of leaders coming to power
>having a capital
So I'm guessing the USA is the British Empire?
If you want to pull the 'but they view themselves as', then I'm sure you're happy to accept Moscow as the 3rd Rome?

>>2849746
What image does the average person have of the Byzantines exactly? Most people only see Rome as men in togas or soldiers wearing the lorica segmentata. They couldn’t imagine the Roman Kingdom, Roman Republic, Roman Principate/Dominate/Roman Empire as completely distinct and separate entities. Just because they’re ignorant of what it is shouldn’t discredit the continued existence and evolution of the state.

>>2836579
Is Greece actually worth visiting? Heard Athens is a shithole.

>>2852880
If you're into the history at all absolutely. If you just want a beach vacation then idk.

>>2850078
Was in Greece last March for about a week and got about 6 sunny hours total, complete cloud cover otherwise. Bleak stuff when there isn't much green to balance it out. Gray and impoverished most places. Lots of slab buildings. Enjoyed a trip to Monemvasia and then driving around Taygetos on a shitty day though and immediately loved all of it when the sun came out.

>>2851074
If they USA never seceeded, called themselves the American British Empire, identified as British and functioned as the British Empire, then yes, you absolute fucking moron

>>2852880
Athens is a shithole, but the rest of the country is pretty cool. I'll have to chime in with the other anons in recommending Crete.

>>2852880
Athens is a shithole but I found it charming nevertheless. Thessaloniki is more metropolitan but has more gypsies. Athens has more nigs and jeets. Pick your poison. If you want to avoid such issues entirely, go to the Peloponnese.

>>2853053
Gibbon and his consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>2853248
Gibbon was based though. His approach to loooking at Rome was a well needed breath of fresh air after a miillennium of propaganda.

>>2852880
visit for what? It's really bad for winter sports.

Greece peaks on Skopelos. I only reveal this secret because the board is dead anyway.

Kos. Cheap, nice food and interesting history. Lots of pillboxes and fortifications on the beaches and disused barracks.

>>2836579
Places that include both rice and potatoes with the entrees

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>>2853469
I don't know about winter sports generally, but it's got a dozen ski resorts if you're interested in that.

>>2836579

Why would you go to Greece when you get older history and 10x more friendly people/ better food/ cheaper everything across the borders in albania

>>2855916
>Albania
>history
U wot?

>>2855940
>who is caesar?

>>2837106
absolutely agree with you. It's a wonderful place. I spent 4 nights there on my own some years ago, the sunsets at Ios are incredible. I swore I'd go back with a girl. Still waiting for the girl...

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>>2836579
Sounion
Nice comfy quiet little place

>>2856032
>I swore I'd go back with a girl. Still waiting for the girl...
I want to do a trip around the Peloponnese for my honeymoon. Though it seems finding a girl is an integral part of that equation.

>>2847371
Kos. The Dutch mostly stay with themselves, they don't even bother mingling with Germans or Nordics. Truly autistic bunch. Also a lot of them seem to be underage (16-18).

>>2837440
Greeks are mostly mediterranean and blonde Greeks have Slavic dna, Turks have higher percentage of blonde hair as expected as they came from north.


And yes Modern Greek culture is basically the same as Modern Turkish culture.

>>2859350
>Turks have higher percentage of blonde hair as expected as they came from north
retard

>>2859263
>the two of us want to go travelling around Greece with a girl
>no girl to be found anywhere
anon, I have a plan. What if... what if... we could take turns... As long as we keep the lights off there's not really that much difference

>>2859574
I'll wear a wig, a nice brunette one so I can pretend to be one of the locals for you

>>2859311
you would know, mr epstein