>>2845951
>Huangshan solo hiking
there are "tourist areas" in the mountains with maintained trails, cable cars, signs, restaurants etc. That is where 99% of people go and is what Chinese people think of when you say "I am going to Huangshan". The Chinese "going up a mountain" experience is basically just taking a cablecar to the top, wandering around and taking some photos, then walking down.
Outside of the tourist areas, it is likely to be less well maintained, trails will exist between villages and stuff though. There is phone signal everywhere so you probably won't get lost.

>>2846348
>700-1000usd (5k-7k RMB) for 14-20 days of travel
so at most this is 500RMB/day and at worst 250RMB/day
I would say it really depends on how luxurious you want your trip to be. By staying in hostels and eating cheaper food I was able to spend around 100RMB/day at times.
Hostel will be 50-100/day. Cheap hotels and homestays maybe 100-150, but you need to make sure they take foreigners.
Food, again it depends on what you like. If you want western food all the time then it could easily be 200 for every meal. If you're willing to eat like locals do then you probably won't spend more than 60-70/day on food.
Attractions and tickets are cheap, very rarely over 100 rmb. You can also get discounted student tickets if applicable.
Getting around is super cheap with share bikes and taxis usually only like 20rmb for a short trip 50 for longer ones.
Train tickets can be expensive on the HSR (roughly 50rmb/100km, can be more). Sleeper trains and slow trains will save you more money.

It is totally feasible, the only constraint is accomodation. If you want to stay in a proper hotel everywhere it will be more difficult but not impossible.

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Can anyone recommend a good Tiananmen 1989 / 天安门 一九八九年 tour in Beijing?

I'm thinking of going to China for the first time in April, for 30 days.
Is this a reasonable itenary/loop?

Days 1-6: Beijing, one day to Tianjin
Days 7-10 Xian, one day at Mt Hua
Days 11-16 Chengdu(4) and Chongqing (2)
Days 17-20 Guilin/Yangshuo
Days 21-24 Guanzhou or Hong Kong
Days 25-30 Shanghai, one or two days in Hangzhou or Suzhou maybe

I could do it the other way round, like south-west-northeast, I havent really got anything settled.

Ive got WeChat, Alipay, Baidu maps and a bunch of other apps I am told are essential, what else should I bring along ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAOQ1EHvR_c
is this (dense narrow winding streets with commieblocks and foliage layered on top of each other) representative of Chongqing at large or are only a couple places like this?

>>2846570
>doesn't help out the cute girl dropping all her stuff on the street
what a jerk

>>2846553
Looks pretty good, those are pretty much all of the entry level China cities. Amaps is good as well. Don't take your portable phone charger if you're doing domestic flights since you'll need to get one domestically that has the CC logo on it for regulatory reasons.

>>2846570
yeah that is representative of the areas which haven't been built in the last 15 years for the middle and upper middle classes. the residential buildings on the streets and roads are typical chinese residential areas. more modern ones are build behind walls and contained away from the streets. that video is standard china.

>>2846732
They actually take away your charger at the airport? Interesting

>>2846586
timestamp? that is jerk behaviour to be honest
>>2846736
China seems cool and I have nothing going for me, may as well become an English teacher over there desu

>>2846553
So you would spend all your time in cities (apart from Guilin and Yangshuo)? I will warn you that Chinese cities are ultimately the same at the end of the day, once you have seen all the historical and cultural stuff then there is not much left. Guangzhou and Shanghai are especially bad for this.

Also Tianjin is really really boring, just nothing at all going on. If you want a day trip from Beijing go to Datong or Chengde.

>>2846748
new policy because apparently EU certification (CE) powerbanks are dangerous
so they will confiscate them and not allow them on flights, you have to have the Chinese certification (CCC) instead

>>2846570
this is more dense than average, but pretty representative
most new developments are pre-planned neighbourhoods which are less dense than this

>>2846763
2:25 in

>>2846732
Yeah I thought it would give a good overall cover, of most of the core areas, I havent got any of the peripheral places like Yunnan, dongbei or the western parts. Regarding the CCC chargers, Ive heard the Chinese border folks are tight about that. I found a LISEN one on Amazon, should I buy one of these or just get one in China?

>>2846774
Yeah it is mostly cities. I do plan to do a few day trips, like Tianjin from Beijing, Mt Hua from Xian, Liantang village from Guangzhou.

I was thinking of adding a 3-4 day leg for Huangshan, mountains and villages between Guangzhou and Shanghai, but I felt it might be too rushed and Id have to cut back days in other places. Plus, its not like its going anywhere if I decide to go back.

As for Tianjin, I quite want to go there to see the Teda/Kiev aircraft carrier theme park. An ex Soviet aircraft carrier is hardly the pinnacle of Chinese culture but its something I'm interested in.

Did any of you learn some chinese before the trip?
I did one trip to Japan without any japanese and then a second one after learning enough for some basic conversations and the experience was vastly different for me, I wonder if the same would apply to China
Will probably postpone the trip to 2027 if it makes it a lot better as I don't have it in me to start learning it now

>>2846800
oh, in that case you should make sure you go to Binhai district in Tianjin not Tianjin city itself because the aircraft carrier is in Binhai
if you wanted to skip a city then the most skippable is Guangzhou or Chengdu

also you should bring deodorant, because it's super difficult to buy in China

>>2846805
I speak fluent Chinese so I haven't experienced this myself but some of my friends came who spoke zero Chinese and they were basically completely helpless and liable to get scammed at any moment; vs some friends who spoke basic Chinese and were much more able to get around and do stuff by themselves
basically nobody in China speaks English so it's best to know some

>>2846810
>basically nobody in China speaks English so it's best to know some
is this the case in the big cities too?

>>2846830
100%, and there's no language family cheese you can call upon, either.

>>2846830
yes, receptionists in hotels and attendants on trains and such might know basic English but they never use (most foreign tourists still go in groups so they don't have to talk to them) it so it's so bad as to be incomprehensible.

University graduates and students might have ok-ish English, providing that they actually use or practice it, which is rare. Also you won't interact with them day-to-day. The people who you will be talking to: sales clerks, tourist attraction clerks and guides, taxi drivers, waiters, random passers-by: all of them will know next to zero English.

It might be a tiny bit better in Shanghai than other places but desu I didn't notice much of a difference between big cities and small cities because like 70% of the people in big cities are migrants from the countryside and small cities

How do I meet qts to date in China, anons? They smile at me in the street and I smile back, but I don't want to ask every girl who smiles for her WeChat. They're so polite and wholesome. What are the apps to use if I want to take a girl on a nice date?

>>2846553
Bring a floppy diskette and whatever you want to put onto it

>>2846943
most of the western ones aren't blocked, and you are most likely to find English speakers there
there are loads of local apps but most people using them won't speak English

I like it here. Loneliness hit me today and I'm drinking some kind of 5% alcoholic lemon drink on a bench (there's a whole lemon slice inside) in a night market surrounded by people. I'd be too self-conscious to sit here sober. Would be lonelier back home. T-shirt weather and there's a breeze. Feels cozy to be around other folks even though I don't know what they're saying.

>>2847054
t-shirt weather? how far south are you? Hainan?
up north it is definitely not t-shirt weather

>>2846778
:(

>>2847068
Shenzhen. Where are you? Shout-out to the Finnish bro who approached me at the night market while I was ordering a sausage. Forgot to grab the order (3 RMB), but we talked for a few hours which made my night. I wish I was brave enough to solo travel Asia back in my early twenties, but I couldn't afford it anyway. The zoomers are alright and I'm buying him dinner if we meet again.

>>2847137
Beijing and Hebei soon

>>2846805
Pirate the Michel Thomas course and then spend a few hours before your trip crunching through useful vocab, Chinese is remarkably easy to get to a Dick-and-Jane level of communication, totally worth it considering the payoff.

>>2847054
>>2847137
This is the peak China experience anon, there are men on the other side of the planet who envy you right now.

Is military anon here? I want to know if it's a good idea to disclose previous military service? Do they have any power in the UK to check wether you served or not, and what you did?

>>2847692
I am a UK anon who disclosed military service and had zero issues with getting a visa. In fact, they gave me 2 years unlimited entry when I only asked for 1 year 1 entry (and the guy I went with only got that)

>>2847696
Wow that's pretty nice. Maybe they just get weird with US military with the spys and funny business invading your privacy. What did you do in the military? Do you think they can check anything? Or will they just be told to fuck off if they tried?

>>2847696
I forgot to mention, I didn't disclose it the first time. Will that come up also?

>>2847696
they usually give two years multiple entry by default if it's not your first time applying

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Does anyone worry about safety in China? I plan to wander aimlessly through remote boroughs of Shanghai when i go next year, but I wouldn't even consider doing the same in LA or Chicago. If I get liquored up at a family mart and try to find my way back to my hotel at 1am, which I plan on doing, is that a naive thing to do?

>>2847735
No, could look at you and be curious, but they won't do anything bad. They're kind, hospitable people. So please, do not give foreigners a bad reputation by stumbling around drunk. It's bad enough the English teachers lie about "leaving wall street" to go there and teach English.

Wife wants to go to Disney in Shanghai, Id like to go to shenzhen for electronics
She speaks English and fluent Japanese
I speak English and fluent German

Appreciate the language advice in here, anything else tip wise? Travel tips ? Good sources to learn about this?

I appreciate the langauge advice in here.
>>2847556
>Michel Thomas course
Would you prefer this over a couple months duolingo?

>>2847735
The streets are completely safe but if you go into some karaoke or bar everyone will see you as a walking ATM
People don't get mugged or robbed at knifepoint in China. But if you piss someone off a lot (or cheat them) and they have a knife nearby they may attempt to stab you. If someone feels they have absolutely no way out of a situation they may resort to violence.

>>2847737
Unfortunately all the English teachers already gave foreigners a terrible reputation in Shanghai lol
"国内的外国人没有一个好的“ is a common sentiment

>>2846421
I'm going after Christmas, never seen snow
Beijing - spend 3 days hanging out here checking sites out, spend 3 nights including the 31st Dec and 1st Jan at the great wall jinshanling section
Kaifeng or Luoyang - leaning towards luoyang
Xian
Zhangjiajie (probably will give this a miss in favour of having more chill time in Chengdu)
Chongqing (probably 2 nights here)
Chengdu (hang out here for a bit, maybe stay near the hailouguo Glacier National for a couple nights)

Any tips, any recs?
I've only booked Beijing and the great wall, hoping to just play it by ear but I have 3 weeks. Cheers

>>2847820
>never seen snow
Ha, enjoy! Where are you from? The concept of never seeing snow is so alien to me.

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>>2847820
it snowed in Beijing today, but it will only snow 5-6 times every winter. Beijing is too dry for frequent snow.
1st Jan is a holiday so the great wall will probably be busy
Luoyang is much better than Kaifeng, honestly don't go to Kaifeng it kinda sucks
Zhangjiajie will be deserted in midwinter

I lived in Beijing for a year, if you have any questions

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>>2847824
North Western Australia (pic related)
>>2847828
If I miss it I miss it, and I don't mind if one of the days the great wall is busy, I'll do the main site seeing before then.
Any must try local dishes you recommend for Beijing?

>>2847757
Does anyone recommend Duolingo these days? It sure won’t help you to speak. If you want to learn to read use Hanly.

>>2847836
well, definitely Peking roast duck 北京烤鸭, the best chain is 全聚德 (Quan ju de) but you can get good duck almost anywhere
also Beijing hotpot 北京火锅/青铜火锅 which is not spicy
naipizi 奶皮子 is a kind of yoghurt snack which I also recommend
and tanghulu 糖葫芦, candied fruit on a stick, which is not unique to Beijing but still very tasty

>>2847702
>Do you think they can check anything?
Honestly I don't know, I certainly doubt they bother doing an in-depth background check on every random guy that wants to come to China for tourism though. I saw some people online say that a lot of the more anal Q&A stuff in the visa app is only there because they use the same system for tourism and work visas, but barely check the tourism applications. I was just a grunt and didn't do anything that would be sensitive to a foreign state. Maybe int corps guys will get grilled? I didn't get a single question or anything like that, just handed my passport in and got it handed back with the stamp.

>>2847735
>Does anyone worry about safety in China? I plan to wander aimlessly through remote boroughs of Shanghai when i go next year, but I wouldn't even consider doing the same in LA or Chicago. If I get liquored up at a family mart and try to find my way back to my hotel at 1am, which I plan on doing, is that a naive thing to do?
Never had any safety issues in China, particularly not in T1 cities. Even random dudes in clubs are much more polite than people you see in other countries.

>>2847943
Thanks man

>>2847813
>"国内的外国人没有一个好的“ is a common sentiment
I do see some ultra creepy men every time I'm in Asian. And from how many anons speak here, I fear for the girls who cross paths with these "men".

>>2847813
>>2847985
99% of westerners in China in my experience are boomers in tour groups, bf/gf backpacker couples and the occasional foreign business rep (usually American). It is absolutely different in Shanghai though, lots of young Euros and Americans partying there.

>>2847985
>>2848072
tourists are usually fine, it's the expats (mostly English teachers) who in my experience are very weird and often creepy, not only to Chinese girls but foreigners as well
Also any sort of influencer or travel blogger is usually scum

>>2848130
I could see that being the case.

The men and women I see converting a look of awe from all the Asian novelties are typically thin, healthy, tall, and positive.

I've seen short and obese, short and sunken eyed, and short and belligerent men that appear to be expats lurking about in mall food courts, side streets, and middle of nowhere locations. They're arguing with women, or looking sweaty and impatient.

I know there are still good expats. I always saw Serpentza as somewhat awkward, but still a good person (until he moved to America, sold out, and boarded the propaganda train).

I fear for the vulnerable women these creepy expats prey on. I've seen footage of them being rough and heard stories of them sleeping with kids during nap time in English schools.

Their eyes don't reflect anything human, and they ought to be euthanized since they lack guilt, much like beasts.

>>2846421
Hi, I'm travelling to china soon and would like to know if any anons have stories or tips about local girls. Do they like tourists or nah? What is considered "hot" there?

Also I'll be there on new years. Any fun plans or places?

>>2848687
Nothing really happens on western new year in China, people get new years day off but they have to work on new year's eve. Usually they will just go out to dinner (restaurants will be packed, hour+ queue for most) and go home. No fireworks or anything because it's banned in cities so there are only gay balloon drone LED laser shows.
Probably the most exciting stuff happening on new year's is in the expat bars lol

>>2847137
I've been in China for about two weeks now. It's a bit lonely due to the language barrier, but I'm on floor 30 overlooking the city and smoking indoors as it's permitted here although I'm not a smoker.

Regret not exchanging WeChat contacts with the cuties who smiled at me flirtatiously, but I'm rather distrustful of people who approach me.

Everything's smooth once you figure out the apps, but let know if you have any questions, anons.

does anyone have experience skiplagging with Chinese airlines? I have discovered that a flight from London to Seoul via China is like half the price of a direct flight to China but am worried about getting banned/jailed/my anus tickled by Xi Jinping
my plan would be
>buy ticket to Seoul
>bring hand luggage only
>get off at Shanghai and leave airport
>if questioned just say I took too long on the toilet and my flight left without me
then for the way back
>fly to Seoul
>take the same airline back to London (it's only like £137 which is insane)

>>2849116
Alone at the top

>>2849129
They’ll ask for your plane tickets when you go in. If you say you missed your flight, they’ll make you get on whatever flight is next. They’re not stupid and they don’t let people enter with loopholes.

>>2849129
Come on

>>2849141
hmm maybe just don't mention it then
I have a valid tourist visa, not going to use a transit visa. They shouldn't need to see any plane tickets.

>>2849143
My guess is, if the airline is a Chinese one, they won't budge. Otherwise they don't care if United, Lufthansa or whatever gets screwed. Chinese people protect their own business interests.

>>2849145
yes, it would probably be China Eastern or China Southern
shouldn't I just be able to show them the London-Shanghai ticket? it shouldn't matter if I have a ticket going to Seoul as well or not, in regards to entering the country

>>2849146
I'm guessing and you're asking me to guess more.

My intuition, built from what I read in the past, tells me airlines seethe from skiplaggers. And the Chinese government has hooks into big businesses like it's airlines.

Try it and report back here. If it's 137 pounds, you can swallow a 1k pound fine and still break even.

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Oh yes yes yes

>>2849157
Chongqingers never stfu about 'muh spicy food'. It's even that spicy, kek. Though I like the numbing effect it has.

Conversation with a local:
>have you ever tried spicy hotpot?
>have you ever tried spicy hotpot?
>have you ever tried spicy hotpot?

>>2849155
The return is 137
Flying out is ~220
I could even do it so I have to change airports in Shanghai so I simply leave the first airport and don't go to the second one lol, I have a tourist visa it's not illegal
Or I could take Turkmenistan airlines which is not direct but also only about ~250 quid
So in theory I could do
250 London-Beijing, 60 Beijing-Seoul, 140 Seoul-London
Only £450 for a round-trip to China plus a trip to Korea if I wanted
Even cheaper than Turkmenistan airlines round-trip which is about £500

>>2849157
Errrrm Hunan food is spicier

>>2849160
How could the food be any hotter. They give you a plate of sliced chillies with meat imbedded in it. Or a soup of liquid chili with stuff in it that are infused with said soup. Do they just squirt the chili into your eyes while you're sitting at your table in Human? I don't know why makes it hotter in your opinion

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Anyone know if there are any interesting 3rd tier cities I can get the fast train to from Fuzhou? I want to spend maximum 2 hours travelling, maybe a bit more if it's super worth it

>>2849163
Hunan chillis are spicier than Sichuan/Chongqing chillis

>>2849164
Putian - fake shoe factory of the world and home to a lot of Mazu temples
Shantou - lots of overseas Chinese come from there
Meizhou - Hakka cultural centre

Traveling to shanghai in feb for a week, can anyone reccomend sea food spots and all you can eat buffet spots where I can pig out? Im planning to almost starve myself in preparation for that

I'm thinking of doing the full 10 day transit visa visit. I don't know if or when I'll have the opportunity to do this again, solo.

I'm wondering what novel experiences would be available, compared to Taiwan, Vietnam, or Japan. Are the friendly and hospitable locals a significant feature of the mainland?

>>2849116
I'm curious what you're thoughts are on this since you've been there for 2 weeks solo, and are chilling in a hotel room.

>>2849240
>Putian
What's the appeal of a shoe factory?Never heard of mazu temples, I'll check out some photos.
>Shantou
What's the appeal of going to the home of Chinese immigrants?
>Meizhou
What does the cultural centre entail? Is it like Chongqing with old/recreated old building and people dressed up to be taken photos with?

The Mazu temples are pretty impressive, I guess I just wasn't familiar with the name, but obviously seen some before. Seems like more of a tourist attraction though so I'll give them a miss

This is the one general that puzzles me. Why doesnt anyone here post photos of their trip?

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>>2849293
You like?

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>>2849295
>>2849295

>>2849295
>2024
>You like?
Not particularly, I prefer boots on the ground, but I'll take it. Thank you.
>that saggy ass
It's wild how lady asses are so prevalent in here. Back home I never really notice older lady asses, but here they're like south poles of a magnet and my eyes are a magnetic north pole. Popping round asses, panty lines, frumpy W shaped cheeks, small and firm, baggy boot cut jeans, dump truck girths, pitiful and sickly. There's a lot of observe. One could build an entire catalog dedicated to the subject of bottom aesthetics.

>>2849297
>>2849296
Here we go, yes. Thank you.

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>>2849300
What makes my first photo not boots on the ground.

Your comment is intriguing, confusing in parts. Why would you notice old lady Asses more in China? Where you're guaranteed to see saggy or flat, unimpressive Asses. You also mention you appreciate the the variety, which they have less of too. I do agree with your statement about the variety of shapes and structures interesting though. I actually thought about making a book in Asses for this reason. There are even categories of Asses specific to ethnic groups

>>2849308
The filenames of your images suggest they were taken in 2024. The current year is 2025. I'm sure you can empathize with me now - it appears you're posting from home, a year after taking these photos, thus your boots are at home, not on the ground, in China.

I don't know why. Maybe it's because I'm going outside more. Maybe it's because I actually "would". Probably both.

Maybe I don't understand your post, but you see to contradict yourself with the variety statements. Anyway, we seem to agree there is a ton of variety, although relative to a place like America, the variety is less, yes.

I'd love to see how you categorize it.

Btw it feels like I'm talking to myself right now. We are writing similarly.

>>2849247
I would strongly advise you NOT to eat at buffets in China
I ate at a buffet once and got food poisoning, they are incredibly unhygenic
Food is so cheap that it's probably better to just order stuff separately

>>2849288
You can buy tons of fake shoes in putian
Idk what the cultural centre is like but it's where the Hakka museum is and is one of the last few places in the mainland where most people speak Hakka

>>2849289
You are asking too much of tier 3 cities lol

>>2849312
Haha maybe we're brothers, where are you from?
Oh literally boots on the ground right now, well I can't help you there, I was there last year and going again next year.

I definitely couldn't put the categories into words but there are 5 major types. However the 2 most significant separations are ones that have clear separations of the cheeks caused by a healthy around of muscle mass that create a crevice at the top (think of a martini glass) and at the bottom the cheeks are open like to circles touching, if you can imagine this. Which also created and cheeky hang of varies degrees depending of size, from the rounder shape.
The other type is more of a line, with no crevice at the top, you could place your hand down flat above the crack where it meets the back and there would be no space beneath your palm. The cheeks are together, because if lack of strucle. And at the bottom it's totally closed too with no over hang, but instead creases imply two cheeks where the thing meets the Ass

>>2849314
Hahah I promise I'm not asking for much, the opposite. I don't mind if there isn't "much to do" I'm not interested in must see attraction. Well unless it really is a fucking must see.

>last few places in the mainland where most people speak Hakka

Now this is something special! That's what you travel for.

Tier 3 is good for me as long as there's some character, interesting look or feel of the city, weirdness.

>>2849319
It's spoken in a few places on Taiwan, I think it has protected language status or something there

>>2849317
I don't have any brothers, my best friends are imaginary.

Some photos would help me imagine these categories. I don't know which angle the descriptions are detailing these asses from. It seems like from above, looking down, but also from a side profile.

I have 0 ass photos like yours from my 4 week trip. I guess you got lucky.

>>2849321
Hahah you are a funny fella

Also, can't post asses on trv

How the fuck do you get the number for your SIM card? This was my biggest peeve there. Understatement, I was fucking seething. Why not just have it in the packet?

>>2849395
You can check it in the "SIM card information" section of your phone

>>2846421

>>2849324
Thought of you today while walking behind a auntie with a popping ass. Taking a photo crossed my mind, but I want to be a good man. That would cause her to lose some dignity. Not nice.

xi'an 2 days
changdu 4 days, also see the giant budda and qingchengshan
chongqing 3 days, also go to wulong day trip
zhangjiajie 3 days
shanghai 4 days, also see a water town
beijing 4 days, one day for great wall.

thoughts on this plan? what things would you recommend to do in said places? already planned a little my itinerary, just looking for things to fill up the days. i know that most places are big and take time to visit and travel to.

>>2849516
Do you have to start from Xi'an? It would be better to start in Beijing and finish in Shanghai. The rest of the plan is ok
>Xi'an 2 days
Imo not enough
Terracotta warriors takes easily an entire day
And there's so much more to do, like Buddhist temples, pagodas, the city wall, shaanxi history museum etc...
I would advise you see AT LEAST: the big crane pagoda (da ci'en temple), Xi'an city museum, the Hui quarter and Xi'an great mosque
Avoid the "tang night city" or furong park they are incredibly boring
>Beijing 4 days
Also see the forbidden city and summer palace
Temple of heaven very good too
Hundreds of museums go to whichever one you're interested in but if you want to go to the national museum make sure to reserve tickets a week in advance
Nanluoguxiang market is overrated and sells nothing but overpriced food and mass-produced tat

>>2849518
ty for your reply. i already checked those places on my itinerary. i found in xi'an this place called qinglong temple which supposedly has 1000 sakura trees

>>2849421
Ah right I'll try that. Hopefully it works. When I was there cabs refused to make an appointment with me to drive me back to the airport on my last night :( I stayed up all night trying to get help and nobody even wanted to help me, it was a real panic. Last resort I went to a fruit shop and two teenage boys and a girl sorted it out for me

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>>2849514
Kek don't be a faggot, that woman would squeeze every penny out of you and leave you bankrupt and sobbing if the opportunity came. No harm done by a little snap, maybe she'd even be flattered. But anyway no middle aged a Chinese woman's ass pops out, so I don't believe it for a second.
I appreciate you thinking of me by the way, you condjured up my spirit, I could taste that ass at that moment you saw it. Have this long haired girl

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>>2849548
wholly fucking kek too funny, you've strengthen my resolve to snap a pretty portrait of a petite, plump and POPPING awesome asian auntie ass. I'll get it done tomorrow, or else.

happy weekend, similar writing style sister.

>>2849549
Hahaha alright man, I'll be expecting it. You still haven't said where you're from

>>2849522
Beijing has pretty much everything it just depends what you want to do
>>2849548
偷拍...

>>2849579
;) 好的

>>2848306
nta you are responding to.

On the serpentZA point I can see why he went to the US. He was skating on thin ice with his youtube stuff being considered journalism. When covid started ramping up he probably weighed his options. 1. Stay and end up in a ((covid hospital)) 2. Go back to South Africa (lol) 3. Move to the US and double down on anti ccp stuff to at least have some kind of economic future for himself/famiily.

Stopped following the advchina videos just because I felt they lost the plot on the political stuff. Can still understand from a practicality stand point why they did it tho. They probably didn't have a future in China anyways.

>>2849571
Okay, be patient, I had a late start today because I got invited out to a kino bar last night by a local girl, and all the aunties are hiding today.

You seem like a fellow Canuck or an Aussie. Am I right?

When I'm in full stride, HYPED from caffeine, or just in a cheerful mood, I walk through crowds and desperately want to spinorama people that are in my path. The satisfaction from that would be remarkable. Surely a westerner knows what that is, but in case you don't, here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fUba1Rsnv4

I'm in some backwater town and folks are puzzled by my presence here. Sometimes it freaks me out because it can be interpreted as a hint that I should leave. I believe they're just curious and haven't really considered the possible connotations of their question. Multiple locals actually told me to come here because of the natural beauty, but there is a minimal amount of attractions. It's like they thought I would be entertained by sitting on a bench watching the countryside for a week kek. Everyone is trying to troll the foreigner. Oh well, I am happy avoiding tourists and I've secured a few food and caffeine sources that don't wreak havoc on my system.

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>>2849571
>>2849548
Maybe you're right, I think I just got fleeced by a charming woman at the market. $25 for a little xmas ornament, off.

>>2849620
Where exactly?
>>2849630
Bruh how tf did you drop 200 yuan on some random tat

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>>2849643
>waiting for drink at cafe
>I should practice chinese
>compliment girl's hat
>tells me she made it herself
>tells me she has a stall at the nearby market
>ok cool, have a nice day
>finish at cafe
>swoop by her stall
>look at selection
>see small, cute ornament
>ok why not
>pick it up
>"I'll get this"
>"220 yuan"

>>2849653
And you didn't even try to haggle or pick something else?
Don't let people take advantage of you like that (hint: almost everyone there sees you as a walking ATM)
No matter how friendly people are they will always try to get money for themselves in the end. One time I had a taxi driver who was really nice and we had a good chat about infrastructure and Urumqi people, and then at the end he tried to triple overcharge me lmao

>>2849659
No I did not try to haggle cus I was choking hard on that unexpected price, I am somewhat socially retarded. I was a simp and it did not feel good nor honorable. I'm sorry anon, I'm sorry self

Did you tell the taxi driver to fuck off? How did you grasp that situation?

>>2849660
He asked for 80, I laughed and told him that the price was outrageous, said 30, he said 50, I kept saying 30 until he took it.
(Should have started from 20 desu)
You shouldn't insult people when haggling just be firm and show that you can walk away at any moment. Also he knew he was overcharging me so he wasn't going to fight that hard.
Just remember for next time not to accept bullshit prices ok

atm sisters... let's do better

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>>2849620
Ermmm well it is an Ass I guess.
I already told you where I'm from. So you're Australian then.
That place sounds great, I love these kinds of towns. Places that see foreigners every day get bored, even annoyed with interacting with them and it's no fun. What's the name of the town you're in? Maybe I'll visit in march too

Thinking of taking a 16 day trip to China, first time. I dont want to see overload and see everything I can possibly see, I dont travel much so Ill take it easier.

Plan looks something like Beijing, Xian, Chengdu and finish in Shanghai, 4 days in each. I know its a bit basic but its my first time in China. I might swap Chendu for Zhangjiajie or Guilin/Yangshuo or Guangzhou.

>>2849708
Stupid phone. I didn't mean to attach that photo

>>2849709
Guangzhou is boring AF as a tourist
Maybe try to fit in some nature instead of just spending all your time in big cities

>>2849716
Well I am a bit afraid of turning up in somewhere like ZJJ or Yangshuo and it just being a sea of domestic chinese tourists, it would destroy any sort of vibe i wanted to achieve by going to such a place to begin with. Ive heard horror stories about it, but maybe in April it mightn be too busy.

Also, I am considering a different itenary: Beijing -> Pingyao -> Luoyang or Xian -> Huangshan -> Hangzhou. More off the main tourist areas but still worthwhile.

>>2849733
>Sea of domestic Chinese tourists
You only get that in the first week of October, first week of May, Chinese new year, and school holidays in July. April will be fine.
Also, the cities in your original plan are all 10 million+ population and are seas of people no matter the time of year.

Your other itinerary is good. Much more diverse and lets you see many sides of the country instead of just the absolute biggest cities lol

So ive seen a youtuber that travelled through japan and korea via a bike and eating local food, is china safe enough to do that to an extent?

>>2849768
yes, I think I've seen western YouTubers do similar things
The only issues would be harassment from the police in "sensitive" regions and the environment being a lot less forgiving than those countries

>>2849835
>those tuoxie
guangdigga spotted

>touch down
>mentally start playing the HK soundtrack from Deus Ex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYqv75ANPik

>>2850544
J

how easy would it be to try to go hitchhike from Xinjiang to Guangzhou? from what I've seen you can enter and move around Xinjiang with no issue you just gotta check in with the police often

>>2850572
I was in Xinjiang for two weeks this year in the summer. There are no limits on movement but there is a heavy police presence and naturally they are suspicious of foreigners and ask for your passport often/report your presence to HQ. I stayed in hotels and hostels and travelled by trains and was questioned at every train station.
Hitchhiking (as a foreigner) will probably be viewed with even more suspicion. Xinjiang was the only place I saw people hitchhiking in China but they were all locals. If you can't speak Chinese I think it would be very hard to explain to drivers what you want or to the police what you're doing.
Xinjiang has very few hotels/hostels which can take foreigners, so if you stop in some small town without a hotel that takes foreigners you're kinda fucked. They won't let you sleep there and if the police find you're there without registering you will be in trouble.

As for hitchhiking in general, I have seen youtubers do it but it's very uncommon now. Most people use this thing called 顺风车 which lets you find people going the same way as you and pay them a little bit of money to act as your long-distance taxi.

I wouldn't attempt it unless you have good Chinese skills and are OK with being frequently stopped and interrogated, not being picked up for days, etc etc

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>>2850544
I wish the Chinese developed more of a taste for this kind of music or really any genre beyond the usual C-Pop fare. I like their LED cities and futuristic architecture, but the music they listen to doesn't match. Their musical sensibilities are quite "third world" so to speak, in the sense that it's mostly soapy ballads about muh love muh heart and shit. I still prefer it to K-Pop corpo garbage but I've never felt a desire to go out of my way to listen to it.

>>2850807
No one has ever voiced this opinion before. I totally agree. The masses here, and even the ones who go study abroad, somehow find meaning and significance in generic, love fantasy/ideals music.

I've guessed what the lyrics were from singers voice (I don't know Chinese), and was told I was right. Just "I want you so much, I love you, but it's never that easy. Oh how painful". No metaphors, symbolism, or depth. Rudimentary sentences 9 year olds are capable of understanding on a first listen.

But then, you see how modest Chinese people are, the 为道 they manifest, and contrast that to the polarizing, or arrogant, or riff raff popular music in the west, and then you appreciate the modest simplicity of it all.

The west still makes the best music, it's unfortunate it also includes the worst too. Japan is quite good too. I will never cease enjoying vocaloid

Has a home for a left over itinerary for Fuzhou

>>2850807
>>2850822
obviously, there's Chinese music other than the pop ballads you described. I would rec Omnipotent Youth Society and Cui Jian as starting points for getting into Chinese rock, which is much more complex.

also 为道 isn't a word. did you mean 味道?

>>2851176
Oh yes, I meant 无为

I have a problem. I’m going to go visit china next month. And I’m not excited at all

I really wanted to visit china pre covid when I was in college. It’s all I wanted to do. I would watch endless YouTube videos about it. I ended up marrying a Chinese girl that I met and collage.

This will be my first visit to Asia in general, and for some reason. I’m not excited at all.

>>2851456
is it the long flight?
is the lust gone because you're locked in?
has your soul died from adulthood?

>>2851456
Why do you have to get excited about travel? There's about thirty seconds of excitement when the engines spool up and the plane leaves the runway, then it's back to baseline for the next twelve hours. ADD types and their addiction to constant stimulation is so fucking annoying. I prefer to keep my mind empty before travel, so that I can focus on dealing with whatever problems arise after I arrive.

>>2849716
There are some decent bars there for stuff like live rock music with a good atmosphere. Stay away from party pier though.

>>2849160
Hunan is a much more dry barbecue style my coworkers said in their opinion. Sichuan has perhaps some more depth to their spicy dishes often

Im living and working in shenzhen if there's any normal types with only a minimal level of autism and arent a deadbeat alcoholic (my liver can't take all the drinking I am already doing sometimes) .

>>2846553
Hi i dont know much about China and am in the super early stages of planning, is this itinerary good for a first timer? What would people recommend?

>>2846553
this is a pretty boring itinerary, having been to china 7+ times i get bored after staying in the country more than 10 days
imo you are spending too much time in boring cities. understand, pretty much all chinese cities are boring. i get very bored in chinese cities unless i know someone to visit. only spend time in a chinese city if you actually have something you want to do, otherwise don't stay. they all look the same and have the exact same feel.
I personally find beijing quite boring, i'd cut time out of there. and why even visit tianjin. that's even more boring.
Add more time to Hong Kong, like 4-5 days, add 1 day to macau to check it off. Add Nanjing, it was the former capital of China. The city name literally means "south capital". I also enjoy Shenzhen, you can day trip there from Hong Kong.
>>2846943
bumble is not banned
>>2847757
take her to hong kong disneyland it's right next to shenzhen u can do both.
15 mins by train from hong kong to shenzhen
>>2849129
I have skiplagged chinese airlines, specifically china southern, and nothing happened. I flew Waiguo -> Guangzhou -> Shanghai and got off at Guangzhou. Entered normally on visa. granted i did not fly with the airline for months afterward.

>>2849247
why the fuck would you do that, food in china is so cheap anyways. i completely stuffed myself at a skewer spot for 50 yuan
>>2849768
there is no threat of physical harm or robbery in china, there are cameras literally everywhere. anything caught on camera will addressed by the police if you report it to them. the police have to hit their KPIs. but minor financial crimes (scamming or overcharging) do happen and are not uncommon.
>>2852193
no.
do not trust any information pre-covid. china changes so fast, any information from before then is out of date.

>>2846421
Anybody been to Xinjiang? Got an invite to spend new year celebrations there. Any random advice or thing to be aware of?

Probably looking at Xian/Chengdu - Urumqi - Almaty.

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Guys I am going to China for the fist time and will be spending 4-5 days in China. Is 2 Days in Chongqing and 2-3 days in Shanghai good?

Shanghai or Guangzhou for LBH late bloomer TEFL gap year?
which is better for meeting people in their 20s, dating art hoes and meeting underground music/culture people? Also I won't be able to learn Chinese for shit do the zoomer out there speak any English at all?

Shanghai or Beijing for first timer?

>>2849116
>Regret not exchanging WeChat contacts with the cuties who smiled at me flirtatiously,
Suffering from success

>>2846593
Americans are so fucked up. US has higher animal abuse problem than China. Even shock collars for dogs are legal in US while illegal in other countries.

https://people.com/texas-man-sentenced-to-40-years-prison-after-abusing-killing-cats-11700300

>>2846553
Looks like my itinerary, but in reverse lol. Still in the early planning stages, though.
>>2852521
Gf has been to Xian before and advised against it. We have not considered Guilin/Yangshuo, Guanzhou or Hong Kong. What do you think of Qingdao? Also Tianjin to visit relatives. I want to see the countryside, forests and mountains. I'm a bit afraid that my gf is a cityslicker, as she studied in Shanghai.

About to book a flight to Kunming, just read some where else a claim of there not being much to do. Hope I don't regret it. The other choice was Nanning but decided against it. Those two are the only cities with good weather late march-early april

Don't be WaimaiXiaoge

>>2854319
I just got back from a two week trip in Yunnan and only spent one day in Kunming and it was new years eve and I was STILL bored by about 5pm. The only things worth seeing are 翠湖公园 and maybe the provincial museum. Yunnan is awesome but Kunming is not

>>2854167
Qingdao is very sanitised and its main attractions are beer and western architecture. Good for expats wanting a taste of home but I wouldn't recommend it for regular tourists.

>>2853908
Beijing

>>2853861
Shanghai. People with a university education can usually read some English but are unable to engage in conversation

(had to split this into two posts because of retarded anti spam system)
>>2853814
If you're only going to be there for 5 days just stay in one city unless you absolutely have to

>>2853805
I spent 2 weeks in xinjiang in summer 2025. Urumqi is mostly chill and not much different from your average Chinese city other than police usually being armed and metal detectors/x-ray scanners being more common and seen often outside of metro stations. This is because Urumqi is a mostly Han populated city without many Uyghurs or kazakhs. If you go to the south where it is 90% Uyghurs the situation is very different. Make sure to visit the Shaanxi mosque, since it's a Hui mosque not an Uyghur mosque it's open for worship and visitors. The imam is very friendly and he let me go into the prayer hall and take photos. Any other questions just ask

>>2854564
Thanks, what's boring about it? Everyone says this but never with any explanation. I've only been to one city in china and found it fun and fascinating even when there weren't any more literally activities to do. Just being nosey and taking in the weird country was an activity in itself. I can imagine Kunming won't be as exciting and dazzling as the main cities (which aren't my kind of trips), but can't imagine it to actually be being. But still I don't want to make a mistake.

Have you been to Nanning? That's the only other option for non rainy season, non cloudy destination

>>2854564
>Shanghai. People with a university education can usually read some English but are unable to engage in conversation
ah shit is it really that bad? Though I'm not surprised cos most of the Chinese students where I'm from barely speak English
gonna be a fucking lonely gap year by the looks of it

>>2854564
>>2854578
Also I just saw you recd Beijing for the Shanghai vs Beijing guy, would you say the same for me?

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>>2854569
It's boring because it's just streets and shops (mostly obnoxiously overdecorated cafes and "book shops" which people just go to to take photos) with nothing to set it apart from any other city in China. For example, the main square of the city just has malls and that's it. Other boring cities like Shenyang have a Mao statue, Kaifeng has a big fake old building, but Kunming just has nothing. Streets near attractions like cuihu park are lined with tat vendors (including in the park itself which makes it impossible to relax). It lacks enough attractions to make it a worthwhile tourist destination yet at the same time is so touristified (because to visit the rest of Yunnan you have to come through here) that you can't engage with the actual city.
I can promise you that your time would be spent 10x better in Dali or Lijiang. Or anywhere else in Yunnan for that matter. I went to Mangshi Ruili and Tengchong and had a great time. For example, the picture of this post is just from a random Buddhist temple in a small village outside Ruili and it was 5x more beautiful than anything I saw in Kunming and had zero other tourists.

>>2854578
>>2854580
Shanghai is better because it has more foreigners and people are richer so they are more likely to speak English. But still the Chinese education system focuses very heavily on writing and reading not speaking or listening so most of them can't hold a conversation. Beijing is good to visit as a tourist OK to live in, Shanghai is meh to visit as a tourist but great to live in for an expat especially a non Chinese speaker.

>>2854587
Thanks for the reply anon, yeah I must admit Shanghai looks beautiful in so many ways, even if I made no friends there I could still go for nightwalks listening to music and stuff
Still though, it's only for a year while I sort my shit out, just gotta get that comfy white monkey job and everything will hopefully fall into place from there

>>2854587
Meant to ask but which neighborhoods in Shanghai do the underground music/art/culture people in their 20s hang out?

>>2854587
Thanks a lot man. You might have saved me. I only get one but trip a year and if it's a flop it's huge for me. I was actually going to buy the tickets today but you sound like you know what you're talking about and it makes sense. I'll check the weather for the other two and fingers crossed it's suitable, I've seen a bit of both and they do seem pretty sweet. The "eternal spring" is what attracted me to Kunming. I'm only there for two weeks so rain can kill a holiday, and I remember being in Laos with gray skies every day (although dry) which really took away from the mood of it all, even though I liked it a lot

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>>2854617
Lijiang and Dali have similar weather to Kunming, but Dehong prefecture and Xishuangbanna (Jinghong) prefecture are the best. Only two days of 10 didn't have 100% sunny weather, and there was zero rain. They are also fairly foreigner-friendly cities with English-speaking hostels etc and a good number of foreign tourists going through. If you go to Yunnan and just stay in Kunming all the time it'd be such a waste. One day there is fine but any more is wasting it imo.
If you are experienced with China I would absolutely rec Ruili, it's a bit difficult to get to and not very touristy but is amazingly unique. It's a city on the border with Myanmar thats economy is focused on jade and crossborder trade, something like 10-15% of the population are Burmese and the rest is mostly Dai and Jingpho (not Han). Picrel girl selling tax-free cigarettes through the border fence.

>>2854588
>>2854615
I'm not super familar with Shanghai since I lived in Beijing and only visited as a tourist. Most of the action is in Huangpu and Jing'an districts afaik.

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Tengchong city, Heshun old town

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cross-border market in Jiegao district, Ruili

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cafe looking onto the jungle in Mangshi

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central hall of Simola Wa village near Tengchong city
(the skulls are an ethnic symbol not tasteless decoration)

>>2854629
What a picture, that's what travel is about. I take zero pictures of myself but special shots like this I'll look back in forever.

>a good number of foreign tourists

You say that like it's a good thing haha. You almost out me off but then you say it'll be a total waste of time if I stay in kunming so I guess I'll have to sacrifice a nice immersive but uneventful experience for fun but seeing English and American pests :(

Never heard of Dai people or the other

>>2854715
By good number of foreign tourists I mean more than zero lol. Kunming had some as well, in one day there I saw maybe seven. If you want somewhere with absolutely zero other foreigners, Ruil would work well, but it's really not for beginners or people unfamiliar with China. Dai people are Chinese Thai people.

>>2854725
Ah interesting Chinese Thai is quite something. Right more than zero in china counts as a lot haha. I think I'll go for Lijiang, it's always excited me for the look alone, seems pretty amazing, I hope it's not all fake. Any other tips?

first trip to china in april.
shanghai, zhangjiajie, chongqing, chengdu, xi an, beijing.
any tips/cool places to see besides the usual stuff/ things to keep in mind? anything helps.
any life-hacks, places to go eat? cool fast food places like in japan (matsuya/sukyia)?

>>2854765
I've admittedly only done the normie shit in chengdu, chongqing, and xi'an. I forget the names of most places, too, lol, so can't really help.

I loved them all in their own way, though. The nightlife is fucking kino. Never been to a hostel in China, but it's kinda difficult to do shit alone, so this might be worthwhile for your first few nights.

In Chengdu, some places were charging foreigners extra to get in because they 'keep fighting'.

Definitely get in a Chongqing 'Yellow Ferrari' (taxi) to bounce around the city. It's dirt cheap and they do actually drive like maniacs around. Kino as fuck blitzing through the skyscrapers smoking out the window.

In Chongqing, if you wanna get 'the video' of the metro going into the building, it's better on the place the other side of the river. Grab a taxi there. There's a whole square dedicated to it, kek.

There's an old chongqing cable car, which I couldn't make, but seemed kino. There's some 'old traditional towns' scattered around the city, too.

Chongqing's 'bar street' is fucking heeaaavvviinnnggg with activity at night.

Xian is great in the old town in the walls. Love the central market. It's not boomtown of nightlife though. It's a bit more chill. Terracotta warriors was a bit meh. Crowded as fuck when I went and couldn't see shit. Great seeing millions of Chinese girls dressed the same for new year in Xian lol.

Chengdu is great fun. Modern feel to the city. There's a "Nanjing Exhibition" cafe which has opened up in the centre, which has caused a stir on their social media. If you head there, you might get to speak to the Canadian(?) owner. Research about the massacre and the Lisbon Maru incident if you want to avoid a lecture about western education.

>>2854765
>cool fast food
Beijing = bbq (shaokao/chuar) in wudaokou or by shichahai + yanjing beer (u8 is best)
Xi'an = roujiamo or bbq in hui quarter
Chongqing = chongqing noodles (dandanmian)
Chengdu = maocai, bobo huoguo (skewer hotpot)
no restaurant in China is worth going out of your way for unless you want specialist cuisine not from the area. Just eat whatever's nearby and has people in it. laowai tongue cant tell the difference

>other beijing stuff
just walk around the hutongs, they are full of interesting little places
the old socialist cinemas built in the 60s which served as the main instrument of transmitting news/propaganda to the people in the days before TV are still in use as normal cinemas. go watch a film in one, it's a great experience
if you go to the subway station called muxidi and go out of exit B and look towards chang'an avenue you can see where the bloodiest killings of the tiananmen square massacre took place. it's closed every year on 6/4 to stop commemoration.
there's a well-preserved section of the Ming city wall behind Beijing station in a park. almost nobody goes there, worth a look
Xuannan district and Niujie district are great for walks but not crowded with tourists like the hutongs

>>2854765
It's not a race.

I'll be there in April too, be careful I might give you a slap

>>2846421
trip.com the best thing to use for everything?

>>2854842
Yes unless you can speak Chinese in which case it's a slightly more expensive and slightly worse version of all the domestic Chinese apps (none of which have English versions)

>>2854778
>>2854822
thank you kind travelers

Got a question for you all.

Say I want to bring some books with me to read. Will the Chinese customs agents take them away? I’m not trying to import 1984 by George Orwell, just some pulpy horror books I want to read when I’m back at the hotel.

>>2855213
They don't give a fuck.

>>2855213
>>2855215
To expand, they don't care what foreigners read or think. It's why your HK esim can access the whole internet.

What is a problem is if you start a book club and start trying to 'convert locals' to whatever you think/believe, or start saying shit on their own social media platforms.

In the airport, they're too busy with confiscating lighters and powerbanks to care about your book.

>>2854778
How do you get into the nightlife in China? I am a bit of a sperg so I havent experienced it much at home. Did you meet with other travelers or did you speak Chinese? Ill be taking a trip soon, solo, and being alone the entire time is putting me off.

>>2855268
I've only ever travelled on business and have chauffered around and given shit to do, lol.

Never stayed in a hostel, but if I were you, I'd be researching the hell out of them. Look at the socials/activities they offer, and check the reviews for signs of fun and vibez.

It'll be your easiest way to tap into a social circle and experience shit as opposed to just walking around feeling overwhelmed.

>>2855268
>>2855270
Ah, also, the money you save you can use into living it up in some seriously good hotels.

Lads I'm planning to cross from Pakistan into China as part of a holiday in March but I haven't obtained a Chinese Visa since 2016

As I recall it requires an awful lot of confirming flights hotels ect
As I'll be crossing into Xinjiang I imagine this is a bit of a touchy thing to put on a visa application so is it best to get some refundable return flights to say, Shanghai, book a hotel for a week and then just cancel the lot once I've got the visa?
I assume there's no port of entry or anything on it and I'll be given a month?

Cheers

>>2855272
Xinjiang is open to travel. However, some specific regions require permits. I believe this includes land borders, some towns, and some specific roads. I believe flying into Urumqi, etc, is just like any other place in China.

You'll be stamped in with port of entry upon arrival into the mainland. Once you're in China, there should be no issues, as there's no immigration desks.

How are you planning on getting into China? I don't believe they really like you crossing overland in most places. Probably Almaty-Urumqi is ok up in the northwest.?

>>2855273
I'm planning to cross from Sost in Pakistan, there's a decent amount of information online about this and it seems doable.
>You'll be stamped in with port of entry upon arrival into the mainland.
But the actual visa in my passport won't have an port I need to enter by listed on it?

>>2855213
they won't check your bag at customs (it just rolls through an xray machine) unless they have a reason to be suspicious and a reason to care. i.e. you are a university professor who could distribute said banned material to students
>>2855268
depends a lot on where exactly you are going
>>2855272
yes this is a common method for people travelling to XJ because if you write in your itinerary that you'll be going to XJ it is much more likely to get denied
there's no designated port of entry on the physical visa, but it will appear on their computer when they put in your visa number
if you have got a visa before you will probably be given 2 years (depends on nationality, ask for the maximum + multi entry)
>>2855273
The area that the China-Pakistan border crossing is in (Tashqurghan Tajik aut. county) requires a permit. Chinese people also need a permit to visit. Idk the specifics of the permit but one of my Chinese friends did the crossing China->Pakistan and he was the only person crossing that entire day.

>>2855274
Nope, no ports of entry on my visas ever.

Can't speak 100% but lying on visa applications and then heading into sketchy territories can't do you any good. You're going to have to register your stays in hotels. Surely it'll flag?

Can't you just enter further north and larp as 'wanting to do the silk road'?

>>2855284
hotel registration is unrelated to your visa, it's just for the local police

>>2855279
>depends on nationality
British, I'll definitely ask for the maximum just to minimise the risk
Do they scrutinise previous travel much in visa apps in your experience, for example I went to Syria last May which I know a lot of Chinese people do but don't know if it'll look bad for me

>>2855284
>lying on visa applications and then heading into sketchy territories can't do you any good
Sometimes if has to be done if you have an interest in visiting said territories, I'm mostly just interested in travelling the Karakoram Highway

>>2855291
Ok you should be able to get 2 years with multiple entry no problems
I don't think they're very strict on the itinerary (realistically they also can't expect you to follow it) but the port of entry idk.

>>2850807
there's a huge subculture of techno and rap enjoyers who make insane shit.

have sum chinese bladee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWStlHvgXUE

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Sorry in advanced, this is an extremely dumb and very loaded post but it's coming from a burger filled with despair over the state of the country and seeing other people move and doing well.

How hard is it to move to china when you have other family members and dogs? Is it logistically impossible? What's a ball park of how expensive it would it be? And I know how loaded this question is but I am basically just asking where to start or how to start. How do you move items? Can you stay in the country with a visitor's visa until you find residence and a job or do you need to find that before you move? And if you don't really like living in the city, is there options for living in a more rural area? And I know this would take probably a few years of prep to work out and I'm also willing to start learning Mandarin. I mainly just want a place to start, a realistic guide so I can work on steps, little by little. I've seen other friends move to china and they're having a good time. No money insecurity, comfy place to live, nice neighbors, etc. And they got their permanent visas in like 1-3 years. I know I should ask them but I really don't want to dump a massive question like this on them without doing any research. I also know it's much easier to do this shit if you just plan to move alone with no crap to take with you but but if I can keep my immediate family together I want to. Anything would help. Thanks anons.

>>2855502
China, unlike most of the western world, is not a country that accepts immigrants. There are three (realistic) paths to permanent residence:
>making consistent large investments in the country for three years
>working as a high general manager or equivalent or associate professor or equivalent in the country for four years
>being married to a Chinese citizen for at least five years and being in the country for at least five years (the method that like 95% of people use)
this makes me doubt that your friends actually got permanent visas. It sounds more like they just got temporary residence permits that let them live there working until they get fired (then they have to find a new job). Without a permanent residence card you get kicked out once you hit 60 btw. Or maybe they are currently there on marriage visas waiting to transfer to permanent residency?
If you have permanent residency then your children under 18 and spouse can also get it.

If you still want to move, you will have to get a job in China. Unless you have indispensable skills and knowledge or are some famous businessman/professor (which we both know you're not, you're on 4chan, and those people have much better lives in the west than they would in China, think about how many Chinese elites migrate to the west and how many western elites migrate to China), you will have to be an English teacher or variation of white monkey. Good news is that getting an English teacher job is pretty easy, you just have to:
>be a (preferably white) native speaker of English from a native English-speaking country
>have some random qualifications bs which aren't too hard to get
>have a bachelor's degree
unfortunately the other option, white monkey jobs, are non-existent now as Russians have flooded the market.
If you lose your job you have 30 days to find a new one, if not you get kicked out
and don't try to do English teaching without a work visa, you'll get fined deported and banned from the country

>>2855405
is bladee the artist or genre? any other niche (sub) genres kicking around in China which are kino?

Best VPN to use in China?

>>2855679
just set up an esim before you get there or its aids

>>2855679
>>2855681
esim.

>>2855679
mullvad VPN
Esim is good for short trips just using your phone but if you need to use a computer then go with mullvad

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>>2847931
Thanks for your suggestions, I tried all of them, the duck was good, the fruit was okay, the double skim yoghurt was a winner.

Home now so can post, I was only gone just over 3 weeks but felt like a lifetime. Chengdu was a highlight city, closely followed by Xi'an. Beijing was not what I expected and perhaps because I was just getting adjusted it was a little harder than everywhere else.
The Great Wall is hard to beat, for any /trv/llers maybe do it towards the end as everything afterwards will be lesser, not saying the other sites aren't good, but the Great Wall is exceptional. I stayed in Gubeiko and hiked around 25kms from Jinshanling to Gubeikou.

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>>2855679
I got by with Surfshark, had no dramas, it would sometimes play up but just needed to give it 5 and try again. I found the internet worst in Chongqing

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is this chinese or japanese? looks chinese, does anyone know what it says?

>>2856004
>. Chengdu was a highlight city,
im doing one full day in chengdu, then day trip to leshan to see the buddha, then straight to xi'an on the same day.
should i skip the day trip and explore chengdu more?

>>2856084
開運禦守
means vaguely like "have good luck and protect/guard"

>>2856086
dont try and bring your bags to Leshan for a day trip it's an absolute nightmare, nowhere to put them, and the hike to the buddha is like 2 hours

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>>2856086
Honestly from what I've heard the Leshan Buddha is overrated. There are some pretty cool caves behind it but personally I wouldn't bother. If youre in Chengdu you should see the pandas, that'll take up a bit of time. Most of the attractions in China you should give a full day unless you're doing a tour.
It sounds like you'll be taking a lot trains over a short period of time, you won't have much time for anything

>>2856086
Was there 2y ago. Cool statues in caves but skipped big buddha as money grab - you need 2 tickets. Overall Leshan less interesting than nearby Emeishan but with your time, I would focus on Chengdu.

>>2856087
>dont try and bring your bags to Leshan
but im backpacking

Are there any places/job boards where I can find those easy 10-20 hour week English teacher jobs in Shanghai?
I'm a mid 20s autistic loser who can't speak Chinese, I'm gonna be lonely as fuck out there right?

>>2856219
What's your qualifications and experience?

>>2856221
part time teaching assistant for a year
meme arts degree

>>2856224
Start here and look what people are looking for:

https://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china?koreasearch=&koreapageno=&koreapagesize=&chinasearch=&chinapageno=1&chinapagesize=60&internationalsearch=&internationalpageno=&internationalpagesize=

https://teast.co/jobs/china

With your CV, you'll be getting shitty jobs.

>>2856228
>With your CV, you'll be getting shitty jobs.
oh shit has the easy TEFL bubble in China burst? If there's somewhere else I should go instead let me know and I'll look into it

How is the Shenzhen-Hong Kong border crossing?

>>2856213
Would probably work then, but why would you spend 2 hours on the train to leshan there and back then four/five hours on the train to Xi'an all in one day, you'll get barely any time in Leshan and be super tired by the end of the day thus affecting your next day in Xi'an. A bad bit of travel can really ruin your entire day and drain all your energy which is bad (i.e. I got a car from Ruili to Tengchong, driver was fucking retarded and couldn't fit my suitcase in his boot, then took a wrong turn on the motorway making us an hour late, AND made me pay the 160 yuan motorway fee when he originally said it would be 100. Which just made me so tired and that day I just lay in bed in the hotel after arriving)

>>2856219
>>2856224
>Shanghai
>no experience
Ahahahah you're about 15 years too late
With those qualifications you should set your sights a lot, lot lower
Try Suihua, Chaoyang city, Xinxiang, Baoding... Any up and coming tier 3 city will take you, but with qualifications that low I don't think you'd have a chance at anywhere in tier 2s like Shijiazhuang or Shiyan. Even they have standards.

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How do I avoid women like this in China?

Or are they all like this?

>>2856300
at risk of replying to a redditpost... yes this is completely normal for Chinese women, it's how marriage works over there.
>1. expects mother in law to care for the child
Chinese society does not operate in terms of nuclear families (parents + kids) like the west. Chinese families also include the grandparents, which usually means living with them, then once they retire they do housework, which includes cooking, cleaning, and looking after the kids. In China the woman usually marries into the man's family, and after she has a kid the grandparents will raise and look after it while she keeps working. So this is totally normal in China (also the retirement age for women there is 55 so most grandmothers will be retired to look after their kids).
The concept of your husband's mother being "unable to afford to stop working" would be completely incomprehensible to the average Chinese person, because in such a situation the son would simply give part of his salary to her.

>2. expects princess treatment
this is probably just the woman being a bitch

>3. expects husband to give her all his wages
normal in China, women manage all the household finances. Hubby gives her his wages and he gets an allowance. This is very entrenched and even in Beijing and Shanghai you won't see much different.

>4. expects a house
again, this is normal for marriages in China. The man's parents or the man himself would buy a house for the couple to live in after they got married. Although, if they hadn't bought a house, and the guy's parents were poor af, why would she get married to him in the first place?

>5. "impossible demands"
this sounds like she was misled as to the financial situation of the family

99% of women in China get these cultural principles programmed into them from birth. There's also bride price.
However it sounds to me like OP is an idiot who didn't bother to discuss finances or married life with his wife before getting married and having a kid. whoops!

Really, what is the best place in China for a young average looking white boy to find a gf?

Is traveling during Chinese New Year really THAT bad?
I'm thinking of doing a Beijing - Xi'an - Chongqing trip next month (or starting from next week actually) then going to Vietnam, and all the advice I see is contradictory.
It's either "everything will be crowded and horrible" or "everything will be closed and there will be no one in the streets".
People say to book everything in advance but you can't book trains more than two weeks ahead on trip.com.
That said, I can see that hostels are already booked quite a bit for the CNY week, so I might say fuck it and go to Japan instead. Too bad, seeing the festivities seems like it would have been a pretty unique experience. Not sure if I should bite the bullet and experience the chaos, or go the safe easy way and visit later.

>>2856554
CNY is like Christmas in the west. Everyone is going home to their families and nobody is out in the streets. CNY also doesn't have the gift giving and shopping that Christmas does so stuff really shuts down. I remember in Beijing over CNY last year all my favourite restaurants shut and I had to eat the really shitty ones that kept operating over CNY (which nobody eats, bc they are all going home to their families)
the 2-3 days before and first 3-4 days of the holiday are the worst, as this is the chunyun period when everyone is travelling.
There are really no public festivities for CNY, fireworks are strictly banned in big cities
honestly it sucks and most of my other western friends in China go travelling to other countries or Yunnan where it's warm. I instead stayed in Beijing for 3 weeks and nearly went insane.

>>2856563
Thank you anon. I guess I will go to Japan then, even if I didn't initially plan to, and perhaps go to China later.
As a side note, does anyone have an experience taking the ferry from Osaka to Shanghai?

I heard that American can visit China without Visa for 10 days as long as they are traveling to another country afterward. Is this true? I plan to visit China from a SEA country then fly to Korea or Japan afterward. Do I need to show them my departure ticket and the hotel reservation? Also any thought on the Nihao China app? I want to add my bank card but it only accepts the Union pay card

>>2856573
Yes to the 10 day visa. You'll NEED the ticket to the 3rd country, as well as an itinerary/hotel res.

Chinese apps and the ecosystem is fucking dogshit and will be the bane of your existence. Expect nothing to work, and you'll have a better time.

>>2856573
use alipay and wechat pay, they will take western cards but you might have to wait until you get to china to set it up

>>2856580
What if it doesn't work when I get to China? Happened to a lot of people and most places don't take cash

>>2856587
actually, almost everywhere takes cash, just nobody apart from old people uses it. You can use cash on the metro, at convenience stores, at restaurants, you can even use cash to buy train and plane tickets
If you can't get it working yourself, find someone at the airport who can help you. Don't leave the airport until you get it working.
Also don't leave your VPN on while making payments or it'll think you're an international scammer and lock your account

Currently on my first trip to Asia, with my Chinese wife (met in college in the US). Just finished a week in Tokyo, and now we’re heading to Hong Kong today, for 2 days. Then heading into guangzhou to finally meet my father in law in person. After spending a couple days in guangzhou, we’re playing over to Singapore for 2 days to visit her cousin. Then flying to chengdu for a month to stay with my mother in law (she’s stayed with us before in the US a couple of times ).

I’m also having a fake Chinese wedding
>but you’re already married??
Yes but my mother in law is a “girl boss”, because of this she wants to recoup some red envelope money that’s she’s given to her business partners and associates for their kid’s wedding . She’s expected to get 30,000 usd from red envelope’s. I was told that I might get a small cut, but I honestly just want some money for travel or just general hospitality.

Wish me luck, Japan was amazing. But I had to do a lot of the work when it came to finding the right trains and finding things to do in Tokyo (the trains weren’t that hard to figure out). But my wife did lose her passport yesterday in shinjuku station. Luckily someone turned it in and we’re picking it up today in a hour (10 AM). Then hopping on a flight at 3 pm. I’m just excited to finally just be the passenger princess in china. Not have to plan anything.

>>2856597
How rich is your wife's family to be expecting 30k from wedding gifts?

>>2856604
She’s very well connected, lots of business associates

Thinking of doing a stop in China for 10ish days on my way back from Japan this year, what's the best city for first time visit? Interested in going out/partying/hookups mostly, was told Shanghai or Beijing, maybe Chongqing is my best bet

>>2846477
Should be easy since most of the locations were and still are public spaces. You can even stay at the Beijing Hotel where that photo was taken.

>>2856604
They sent their kid to study in the US they're clearly quite rich
But it doesn't matter since they will have given out a similarly large amount of money at other people's and people's childrens weddings
Chinese people literally make spreadsheets of how many hongbaos they have given out so they can invite ALL the couples they gave hongbao to back to their wedding to recoup the costs lmao
Also imaging that it's a ~150 person wedding and maybe ~100 people are giving hongbao it would only need y2000 per person to hit $30k (y200k). A bit more than usual but still not that much. Or they could be inviting a LOT of people to hit that number.

>>2856234
Look up double reduction policy. Population decline is also starting to be felt.

What to do in Lijiang? Is it really as magical as it seems?

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Also, can these prices really be genuine? Seems way too good to be true and I don't want to get fooled. The filter in trip is so shit compared to booking.c first time I'm using it. All I want is an apartment with WiFi, a microwave, fridge and kitchen sink for washing fruit

>>2857261
Yes it's all genuine, you can trust trip.c as it directly takes these hotels from the Chinese apps. For the season these are normal prices, itd be more expensive in autumn

>>2857271
That's actually amazing, didn't expect this. I spend so much on the flight it's quite a relief

>>2856597
My Chinese inlaws are dirt poor and they still got 10k from my wedding. So IMO 30k suggests more typical/middle class. Everyone who comes brings 100-200 USD and people invite everyone they know so it makes sense. But its also quite circular considering you'll give the same amount out to all those people over time

>>2857285
sorry meant for
>>2856604

>>2857261
>first stay offer
If you book a flight with them you can chain it witha 25% flight deal, too. I got 4 nights in a 5 star hotel for like £120 or something.

>>2857300
Holy shit, how does that work though? I've never look at trip as a wise way to book a flight. I used Skyscanner a long time ago and it wasn't a good idea. Turns out the airlines aren't aware of even approve of using third parties

>>2857302
I'll possibly find out the hard way in 2 weeks. Booked a few flights inside China.

I've heard everywhre that for Chinese airlines it's by far the best way, as they actually have decent, responsive customer service, and can middle man you with Chinese airlines. Chinese book shit through Wechat apparently, and their web pages are buggy, with non-existent English options.

I looked into getting retroactive airmiles credited and they wanted me to FAX my ticket over to them, kek. Trip.com apparnetly cuts through all that shit.

They have some 'self transfer' guarentee, but I wouldn't trust it desu. I also wouldn't use them outside China.

>>2857302
>>2857307
you can book pretty much anything in China using trip but it usually comes with comission for train tickets
every big third party app in China is an "everything" app; you can book trains, hotels, buses, flights, group tours, entrance tickets to attractions with all of them (i.e. xiecheng, qunaer, feizhu, alipay)
you can even ORDER TAKEOUT on alipay
they are buggy and full of adverts but usually cheaper than trip.

>>2857310
Man, wish I knew

Going to Chengdu with my gf this late April after a half year bout of sinophilia: reading a lot about Chinese history, cooking Chinese food, etc. Thinking about weekend-length trips outside the city. Anyone know any interesting rural spots? Also might zip up to Xi'an and/or Chongqing. Absolutely excited seeing that Chengdu is well regarded by the people in this thread.

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>>2857560
>interesting rural spots
Aba Tibetan Autonomous prefecture is a 2 hour train ride away from Chengdu. It has two incredible national parks (jiuzhaigou nat. park and huanglong nat. park) which are both well worth a visit. Lots of cool tibetan monasteries there too. the best season is autumn followed by summer, but everything in China is best to visit in the autumn
also:
>Leshan
>Emeishan
>Liangshan (shan means mountain in Chinese)

If you're interested in Chinese history you should also check out the sanxingdui archaeological site and museum in Guanghan. It's probably only comparable to the terracotta warriors in terms of significance and the museum is 5x better than the terracotta warriors because it actually explains everything and there are less crowds.

some other less online-famous nearby spots are:
>Luzhou (泸州), centre of baijiu and alcohol production
>Zunyi, chilli production and an important communist history site, also very mountainous

going any further will probably require you to take long train rides or fly

>>2857648
This is amazing. Some of the best advice I have ever gotten on China. Thank you, truly.

>>2857560
Chengdu is very enjoyable city.

With more time, I highly recommend Litang, Yubeng village (from Shangri-la), Yading NP.

All accessible via buses. Litang is 2 days away from Chengdu, Yading 1 day from Litang, Yubeng 1 day from Yading.

>>2857703
Intriguing. These are all quite remote Tibetan villages? What draws people here? Is it for hiking, monastic practices?

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>>2857706
not him but for Jiuzhaigou the main draw was the scenery, also due to remoteness it was not extremely crowded. Chineseppl dont like hiking they like taking buses from photo-spot to photo-spot so when hiking there are very few other people on the trail.
The Tibetan villages in Aba are relatively touristified, I was told by locals that if you want authentic Tibetan culture you should go to Gannan Tibetan AP or Golog (Guoluo) Tibetan AP but those are very remote and difficult to get to.
Gannan has a very big and important monastery, and I saw a few in Aba, but lots were "closed" (shut down by the government)
anyway the nature in Jiuzhaigou was amazing and completely pristine, honestly there were some moments I couldn't believe that it's only 2-3 hours away from Chengdu (population 20 MILLION btw)

Realistically, what’s the best place for a foreigner in China who has a Chinese wife to settle down in and have 1-2 kids?

>>2857791
1. Hong Kong
2. Taibei
POWER GAP
3. Gaoxiong
4. Tainan
5. Macao
6. Taizhong
VERY BIG POWER GAP
7. Shanghai
Everywhere else you and your kids will be eternal foreigners, even Shanghai is not for certain.

Where are the underground music/art scenes in China?
I know that Shanghai and Beijing are best for contemporary art, Shanghai/surrounding areas for certain indie rock/emo styles, Guangzhou for certain metal/punk styles, Wuhan for punk, Chongqing for rap and Chengdu for LGBT and general chill vibes
But I don't really know much and I feel like a lot of this info is hidden behind a language barrier and the great firewall (bands/promoters/venues less likely to post events on insta though it does happen)
Any recs?

>>2857791
Dont listen to
>>2857865
He's either clueless repeating memes or is salty because he had a kid with a nong in some Henan T88 and is stomping his feet about not being 'accepted'

Unless you Chinese wife has foreign passport living with you in Taiwan would be impossible so dont even bother considering. Hong Kong would be straightforward but SUCKS especially for kids so why would you.

The real answer is Shanghai or Shenzhen depending on your profession, with Shanghai being overall the most western and welcoming. Otherwise pick a T2 city based on your profession and or wife's origin.

>>2846553
There's nothing to see in Tianjin that Beijing doesn't have.

>>2857900
https://vintageaviationnews.com/aviation-museum-news/the-most-bizarre-visitor-attraction-the-binhai-aircraft-carrier-theme-park-in.html
Remind me where Beijing's aircraft carrier is

is it easier to make friends with natives in big Chinese cities or Tokyo?

>>2857865
I'm not moving to Taiwan.

>>2857898
Thanks. I'm not actually married yet. My profession is likely going to be teacher. I'm getting my teaching certificate in English to teach High School English in the states, but I think I might want to become an international teacher in China and work at an international school.

I'll be honest, I was hoping you'd say something more in land like Chongqing or Chengdu. I prefer living in-land then on the coast. But I will definitely keep your suggestions in mind. Shenzhen looks cool I gotta say, and Shanghai to me just feels to Westernized for me.

>>2857921
Chongqing and Chengdu are perfectly fine places that you will enjoy if you enjoy China but can't be called 'the best for foreigners' somewhat general and vague question as it is, because the only way to approach that is by answering "where has the largest expat population and most amenities targeted to foreigners". And the answer will never be an inland city no matter how nice they otherwise are

>>2854167
Okay, so now our plan has matured a bit:
>1-6: Shanghai. Meet friends. Explore (tm). Day trip to Suzhou.
>7-10: Huangshan. Two nights in Yellow Mountain.
>11-16: Chongqing. Day trip to Three Natural Bridges.
>17-22: Tianjin. Visit relatives. Probably go to the Great Wall one day.
>23-26: Beijing

>>2857939
>And the answer will never be an inland city no matter how nice they otherwise are

That kind of sucks to hear. It seemed like China was trying to do more to attract tourists and expats to Chongqing and Chengdu. I guess if I end up with a Chinese wife, it would be somewhat less hard.

But again, thanks for the info. It’s helpful.

>>2857951
wouldn't it be easier to go to the great wall from Beijing rather than Tianjin? Tianjin is a lot further south, so it's a lot further away, unless you're planning to go to Shanhaiguan.

>>2857914
Tokyo is super, super hard. China is easier to make friends.

>>2857791
Shanghai
lots of cuties

Tiger leaping gorge, is it a no no in April?

>>2858024
it won't be warm, but the rainy season doesn't start until late May so you should be safe from that
also you should avoid late April and the first week of May because that's the Chinese labour day holiday
otherwise I think april would be fine

>>2857977
The condition here is that the relatives want to drive us to a less crowded spot. Maybe it's also a more boring, idk, but the thing is huge.

>>2858047
Ah I'm there from the 12th to 23rd. What am I in for? Can it be that bad.
How cold are we taking? I don't mind just cool. Hopefully it's not so much so that I have to wrap up properly like winter. I haven't got space for all of that and it's also no fun.
Have you been? I'm wondering what the sights are like

>>2858055
Oh, you should definitely go then. I thought you would be going to one of the touristy sites near Beijing but going from Tianjin lol. The most visited sections of the great wall were heavily refurbished in the 80s and are packed with hawkers, vending machines, and tacky slides and cable cars (i.e. badaling, mutianyu). Not saying that you can't have a good time there, but if you have the opportunity to go to the "wild great wall", absolutely take it. You can even camp in some of the more remote sections.
>>2858057
23rd will be fine, once it gets to the 27th 28th it will be packed though
I'd guess the temperature is like 15c at most in the daytime and as low as 4-5 at night. I've been to nearby cities and they weren't super cold but I definitely needed a proper coat not just a jumper. Don't need a winter coat tho.
Anyway, at least it's better than going in the rainy season

>>2857973
If you were more concerned about 'authentic China' than specifically coastal vs inland, but want to keep focus on cities likely to have a good market for your work, you could investigate Qingdao and possibly Tianjin or Shenyang. Though the former is literally a beach town.

Beijing is also very set up for foreigners and has a lot of intl schools, and is very inland, but no one has mentioned it yet because it sucks to live in compared to almost anywhere else you may end up.

>>2858063
Ok phew 15C in the mountains is fine, I'll probably be exerting myself enough because build up a lot of heat myself anyway. If it's dry I'm very happy.
Really hoping lijiang is good, I've heard mixed reviews. Somehow only good things until I bought a ticked then a few bad. It does look commercialised so I shouldn't known but I always heard it had more of a comfy feel with character

>>2858071
Hmm, I guess I'm not super concerned with an authentic Chinese experience. It just feels like Shanghai would be more familiar to me then any other Chinese city. Also, seems expensive.

Definitely take your suggestions about those other cities into account.

>Beijing not being good

I keep hearing this everywhere, even on reddit. Why is Beijing not a nice city to live in?

>>2858104
Beijing is unpleasant to live in because
>Worst food of any T1 city
>Worst pollution of any T1 city
>Worst traffic of any T1 city
>Most repressive city

On point 4 specifically what I mean is that China or at least certain localities often go into 'no fun allowed' mode and start shutting down nightlife or other even more innocuous recreational activities. But where as in Shanghai it will be targeted and temporary, Beijing expats complain that Beijing is in a more permanent, heightened state of no-fun-allowed

>>2858104
>>2858108
Also, wanted to say that the biggest thing about me looking for a city to live in is a robust metro system. I don't want to have the need to own a car.

>>2858108
>>Worst pollution of any T1 city

You'd think the CCP would want to clean up the capital and their headquarters.

>>2858108
>>2858123
Lol in Beijing you basically can't own a car (if you don't have one already). You need to 挂号 for like 5-10 years and then because of 限号 you can only use it half the days of the week.
And yeah, it has the worst pollution, worst traffic, worst weather (unless you really hate rain), and most political repression + strict police of any big city. I don't agree with the food being the worst, because guangdong food is literal slop.
>>2858125
They've tried as hard as they can, they even moved loads of factories from the cities near Beijing to other cities in shanxi that are behind a big mountain range so the pollution won't blow into Beijing.
But there are so many coal power plants in hebei that they can't afford to turn off so it's still polluted when the wind is blowing the wrong way

Also I will add about Beijing:
>No city centre so it's annoying to find a place equidistant from everyone
>All the other foreigners are jaded 40somethings or diplomats
>It's entirely flat, there is no nature apart from a few parks and xiangshan which pales in comparison to any other city
>Rent is super high (for China)

Not even Chinese people really want to move to Beijing or live there. They just have to because it's where the high paying and government jobs are.

>>2858001
Is Tokyo still hard if I can speak passable Japanese? Not there yet but could be with a year of dedicated effort, I already know the grammar essentials and like 200-300 words

>>2856587
I used my yuro debit card with Alipay and it worked, at least in the 7-11 at the airport.

Anyone in Shanghai want to meetup? I'm solo traveling but because I'm alone people come up to try to scam me.

What's the public bathroom situation like in most major Chinese cities?

>>2858371
Plentiful but gross

>>2858371
common but
>usually squat toilets only
>unclean
>no paper (bring your own. I usually carry a packet of tissues on me 24/7)
>no hot water
>probably no soap and no way to dry your hands

really bad ones will have no divisions between the stalls and no doors

>>2858377
>>2858374
Not him but do businesses let you use their restrooms? And how are those compared to other public toilets?

>>2858379
yes they usually do if you ask. shopping malls and such also have toilets
they are cleaner and have paper and soap but still mostly squat toilets

>>2858380
Oh, well this is sounding not too unlike America

>>2858374
This was my expectation before going to China. I went to Chongqing and was bloody SHOCKED to find that the public toilets were more abundant, nicer looking, and way way cleaner than London. Crazy.
I'm sure there are some backwards cities with lower standards but I'm comparing the first of the first world to a Chinese city. What a relief that was

>>2858385
as a Londoner, the reason we have no (good) public toilets are:
>drug use
>cottaging
the former is nonexistent in China, and the latter is rare (although there is a quite famous film about it, East Palace West Palace.)

>>2858391
Really? Recently I've been noticing it more and more, I bet it's always gone on to some extent but when you know what you're looking for it's really obvious. Now I'm charring cross station I'm consistently seeing guys doing weird stuff in the toilets. That must be their new spot of bliss haha. I don't know why they don't just go off to someone house.
As for drugs that can't be unique to London. I've never seen a Chinese crackhead though, do they exist? They must do. I'm trying to imagine some Chinese cCrackwore offering to suck you for £10. Can't picture it haah

>>2858394
they really don't have drugs in China because if you get caught with anything it's the death penalty
I forgot what weed smelled like from being in China so long then I went through brixton one day and it hit me like a brick

>>2858385
Uh yes if we're being fair 'gross' is no longer gross relative to New York or as you now inform me London. But on a standalone basis they can still be quite bad. OTOH high end mall bathrooms in China are nicer than any other public/business bathroom in the entire United States

>>2858395
That's weird to me, even if far from widespread people have to be some people doing drugs, they're still nasty human beings after all. Even in Laos people take the risk to be degenerate. I'm sure even Singapore has drug use

>>2858398
I'm not even talking nice places. The first one I went to was just one some street next to a horrible main road. It was spotless and had some nice aesthetic to the interior design. It was actually laughable how unexpected it was

>>2858402
Yunnan used to have a drug problem because it borders Myanmar and Laos but they have really cracked down on it in recent years
also every other vice is incredibly easy to obtain in China; alcohol is cheap and everywhere, so are cigarettes. prostitutes are also everywhere, cheap, and carry little legal risk compared to drugs.

>>2858406
I literally saw no prostitutes in Chongqing. I'd like to have seen how the scene was in Yunnan. Who ever chose to document it would have the best selling documentary, being a unique insight

>>2858377
Huh, I thought they were trying to get rid of all the squat toilets in all the major cities.

>>2858413
>I literally saw no prostitutes in Chongqing
You weren't looking very hard then. Nowhere in China is Thailand-tier out in the open but Chongqing is probably about as close as it gets on certain streets. Mind you this means girls visible thru windows behind closed doors, not streetwalkers

>>2858446
What’s the red light district called?

So what is the best place in China to get a WMAF relationship going?

>>2858446
Fucking hell, is like to have seen that. I explored a hell of a lot. I guess I just went down every wrong street. What's the scene like? I'm curious

I wish Baidu Maps street view was as usable as Google Maps street view, wanna whiz round China but there's not enough roads mapped and it's too slow

>>2858439
haha, no way
Chinese people prefer squat toilets and some of them can't even use western-style ones
the only change is that they try to include one sit-down toilet in every public restroom for disability access

Quick question.

Where in China are there a lot of Japanese and South Korean expats? I’m talking well known and large expat communities.

>>2858636
>Koreans
Beijing
Shanghai
Qingdao
Shenyang
Yanji (they are ethnic Koreans tho not south Koreans)
>Japanese
Shanghai
Beijing
Suzhou
but there is no really established Japanese expat community anywhere in China. not like with the Koreans at least

>>2858643
Cool, any specific neighborhoods in those cities that they congregate in?

>>2858663
>Koreans
>Beijing
Wudaokou
>Qingdao
Chengyang district
>Shenyang
Xita district
>the rest
idk

Im going for two weeks to China, any tips for webs, apps or places to get scorts and prostitutes?

>>2858684
Sorry but discussion of prostitution and sex tourism is NOT allowed on trv maybe you should take your question somewhere that it would be welcome such as Reddit

>>2858693
Are you a Janitor?

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>>2858643
>>2858664
Koreans and Japs in Shanghai are all based in Gubei

>>2858449
There isnt really one by name (not anywhere central anyway) but you have 3:1 odds in your favor when walking down any given low foot traffic sidestreet and seeing pic rel that they have something on offer

>>2858517
In short the 'scene' is not much of a scene if that's actually your thing. It's $30 quickies in extremely dingy back rooms with limited selection of partner and no specials. There are higher end spas or take home from the internet but they are significantly harder to find without getting scammed for foreigners especially, and higher legal risk

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Spent a few days at my father in laws place in Guangzhou. Had a great time in the nicer areas. However my father in law is a divorcee. So he just some old school china guy that smokes cigarettes all day and ruins his 40 year old town house and stains the walls with cigarette smoke. It’s all dusty and all the furniture is old. The sheets and pillows are gross. My wife is too afraid to get a hotel room, because her dad is a gas lighting, self pity turd. Woe is him might as well be his catch phrase.

We’re currently staying with her cousin for a few days in Shanghai, in a really nice town house. But god do I fucking hate staying with my father in law. We’re returning on Tuesday. It’s not that I don’t get along with him (we don’t speak a similar language, so we make small talk through google translate), it’s that my wife just reverts back to her “always irritated with everything her father says” attitude. And at this point, I don’t blame her because the house is like a fucking gross frat house. Dude has the money and could sell that that property in a heart beat. But is just soo complacent and live in squalor. He just needs to down size and move to a new condo. Have a house cleaner come clean his place once a week. My wife and I clean up for him, but he just needs to throw away half his shit, and get some new furniture. Anyway, here a cool spot you should check out if your in Guangzhou.

>>2858783
My impression soo far about china and Chinese people, as a white American. China is basically a higher tech Mexico. The food is great, and there is less crime, but is fucking dirty, and the people are worse than niggers. At least niggers arnt rude cunts on the subway and airplanes. Took a flight to Singapore today. Such a loud and gross people, the kids are just fucking brats and the adults have no consideration for anyone else. Loudest flight I’ve ever taken. Chinese ladies just talking full blast, kids just out of control like nigger kids on a city bus.

>>2846421
How much is written in English at Train stations and other public places in China? Obviously nobody can speak it, but what is the situation when travelling around the country?

>>2858782
Janie hasn't been kind to me, I'm not allowed to talk to you anymore :( seems like you've got all the good information. One thing I will say is fancy. Thumbs down, dirty unrushed enthusiasm over everything

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>>2858636
Word to the wise, the answer to this question is found by looking up where the diplomatic missions of those countries are located.

Pic related is all the embassies and consuls of Japan in China.

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>>2858810
>>2858636
And here's where all the embassies/consulates of South Korea are in China.